If Carroll Comes Home – What Happens To Demba Ba?


Newcastle are a long way from signing Andy Carroll we know that,  but some of the club’s thinking has to be how well they can use Andy, with Papiss Cisse and Demba Ba having arrived on Tyneside, since Andy left 18 months ago.

Demba Ba and his magic Strawberry Syrup

We see in some reports this morning, there is speculation that if Newcastle can get Andy back, they will let Demba Ba leave, and we suppose he could go to West Ham for that £7M release clause, but we don’t think that’s what Newcastle are thinking.

For one thing we hardly thinks Mike Ashley wants to lose one of his top men for so Little in terms of a transfer fee – that wouldn’t be a good deal for Newcastle.

The top two strikers at Newcastle are Papiss Cisse and Demba  Ba, and Alan Pardew has said many times he wants to keep Ba on Tyneside, and that he will play him up front in the middle next season,  and not out on the left wing in a 4-3-3 formation.

If Andy Carroll comes back we think that will still be the same deal for Ba, with Andy probably the number three striker, and the player who will suffer the most at Newcastle if Andy returns,  is 4th in line – Shola Ameobi.

It will be possible with all the games Newcastle have  this season – assuming we qualify for the Europa League group stages – they will be able to use four top strikers – and that’s what the big clubs have, and it’s still possible to give all four strikers plenty of playing time.

Shola Ameobi is a wonderful professional and completely dedicated to Newcastle United, and even though some fans love to hate the 6″2″ striker,  he comes across these days as the sage (old) man at Newcastle.

In his interviews he always seems to say the right things – what’s on fan’s minds – simply because he’s just like the rest of us – he’s a Newcastle supporter at heart.

Shola Ameobi – represents the heart of Newcastle United

So Shola could be the one to suffer, but don’t  expect any complaints coming from the Nigerian -born striker – from what we’ve seen of Shola in the last year or so, he will end up in the coaching ranks at Newcastle, after his playing career is over.

And all he’ll want to do next season is the best he can, when he get the chance for the Magpies, and as we saw against both Sunderland and Tottenham last season  at St. James’ Park,  he can come on and do the job for his home town club, after scoring late equalizers in both those crucial games.

When Shola’s on form he’s great, and when he isn’t on form he looks terrible – but that’s Shola for you – love him or hate him.

We love the guy, because it’s players like Shola – who are huge in the dressing room as Alan Pardew continues to stress – that represent the heart of  Newcastle United, and you cannot ask much more than that,  from any player.

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39 comments so far

  • pieceofpapiss

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:10 AM

    Comment #1

    re post

    Rotonda, Newcastle scored 8 goals from set pieces last season. Only Swansea (7) and Villa (3). All the other teams were in double figures give or take.

    We need that option.

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  • Toonboy_84 bring back Carroll

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:12 AM

    Comment #2

    We can accommodate Ba, Cisse and Carroll. We will have enough games to play.

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  • toonydoonunder

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #3

    He stays !!! two different forward lines for different comps we have 3 cups to go for and the league more the merrier i say if Carroll steps out of line Set Mr T on him to settle him down .

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  • pieceofpapiss

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #4

    I normally give people grief for this but that is the first time i’ve ever posted first!!!

    Where’s Beattie25 when you need him.

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  • toonydoonunder

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #5

    ps any truth to the Irish Independant report on Debuchey flying in to Newcastle last night ?????

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  • WWYCD

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #6

    Leon Best and Lovenkrands has left Carroll could be a replacement for one of them as we need atleast 1 striker anyway IF Carroll came back that doesn’t mean Ba will be kicked out

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #7

    Still think andys wages are to high for a bench warmer could rub up a few of the other ladd regarding wages to could be making a rod for our own backs

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  • jesperfuglsang

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #8

    When rumors had it we were signing De Jong, we were not off loading Ba; why would anything have changed just because rumors now have it we want to sign Carroll?

    It is a pointless discussion we are having here; are we just killing time now?

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  • Valci

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #9

    Rotonda heights – dude, stop it with the tiki-taka propaganda. There are exactly 2 teams that play tiki-taka: Barcelona because they breed players in that system and Spain which is build on the backbone of Barcelona. Even so Spain struggled in the euros because they lacked a penetrating player a la Messi. In fact, the they were lucky to beat Croatia and only had 1 impressive game which was the final with Italy having a really off day (they showed their worth against Spain in the group). No other teams really play tiki-taka…not even Real…they play a hybrid system. Passing game, through balls while also having strong wings which offer service (crosses) for the forwards and such. That is the future.

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  • WWYCD

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:19 AM

    Comment #10

    Jesper
    Have to do something until Debuchy is announced don’t we

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  • Jamesthefirst

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:21 AM

    Comment #11

    Breaking news last night was that Liverpool had officially rejected our loan offer. We offered to pay half his wages £40K for season long loan. Liverpool said any loan deals must see all his wages being paid by the club that gets him.

    Made us look desperate, trying to bring back a player they knicked off us. So wish we had never spoke to Liverpool about AC. Let him rot.

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  • Beattie25

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:23 AM

    Comment #12

    I was meditating with the Buddhist monks in the mountains of Tibet and I sensed a disturbance in the will of the blog.

    I have returned to aid the person that called for my assistance but first I have to update myself with the news as I have not seen 1 article since I joined the commune as the monks see mobile phones as a disturbance.

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  • jesperfuglsang

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:25 AM

    Comment #13

    WWYCD

    they are really taking their time on that one aren’t they? 😉

    …I just hate being sucked into all these rumors; we all know they won’t happen but we keep pouring gasolin on the fire anyway just for kicks.

    Maybe we are just craving that Debuchy transfer to go through 😉 lol

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  • Beattie25

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:25 AM

    Comment #14

    What in the name of saint shearer is going on here?

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  • Magpie from Lithuania

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:28 AM

    Comment #15

    if we sign Carroll and Ba stays it would be perfect. A long season ahead, so we must be ready and we must have options, remember Home game agaisnt MU 4-4-2, Shola and Ba were too much for MU defense. 4-3-3 agaisnt WestBrom was a good example of fast counter-attacking. Good teams adopts to the situation and performs well in all formations.

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  • WWYCD

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:28 AM

    Comment #16

    Jesper
    I think they lost his door key…its Barnetta all over again! Need to find a better hotel if u ask me!

    Haha probably right on that one lad but from now until the day Carroll retires we will be linked with getting him back maybe we are just gonna bite the bullet this summer and get it over with 😉

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:29 AM

    Comment #17

    Clever move by the club.

    Now Andy knows we’re serious about bringing him home, he’ll hopefully refuse to go anywhere else. WHU, AV etc.

    A few more low bids and get him for 15-18M.

    HWTL

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  • jesperfuglsang

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:29 AM

    Comment #18

    Beattie

    people are at a frenzy, killing time just because the club are taking their time on the Debuchy transfer 😉

    People are in Carroll mode, talking about whether mot we will sell Ba, talking hoofball contra tiki-taka 🙂

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  • nimo

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:29 AM

    Comment #19

    For all those calling Carroll Judas .. U obviously forgetting the time shearer wanted to leave the club when gullit was in charge.. N for the ones saying he should be loyal and not just after money.. Im pretty certain in shearers contract there was a clause stating he had to be top earner at the club

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  • TorqToon

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:30 AM

    Comment #20

    Repost Valci – Agreed mate. His head was turned by thoughts of trophies, champions league and big money. At 21 his youth was his downfall and whilst I agree he only has himself to blame, it’s tough to really hold that against him. Who knows what kind of crap Dogleash was spouting to him to turn his head.

    He has a heck of a lot of making up to do to us loyal fans of the toon, but should he return (which i actually doubt!) then on loan, with partial wages being paid by us…and a set fee payable at the end…is surely the bet way to do it?! Injuries to either of Ba or Cissé would leave us short, he could come in. And it would be down to Pards and co to work the system around this, whilst avoiding hoofball.

    Let’s also not forget the amount of defensive work he does from set pieces coming back…had he been in our own 18 in the games against say, Norwich…no way would they have been such an ariel threat as they were scoring all 4 goals.

    Just my opinion and whilst I don’t think this will happen…under the right circumstances it could work out for us.

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  • JDdubai

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:32 AM

    Comment #21

    If he comes as our 3rd/4th choice and on reduced wage then ok take him.

    All I want is to keep the formation away from 4-4-2, save Cabaye from that as he too good in the free role in the 4-3-3. Iv waited years to see us play this kind of attractive passing football, through Souness, Roeder, JFK, Big Fat Sam, even with Hughton although it worked it was 4-4-2 with 2 big lumps up front and wasnt always pretty to watch.

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  • TorqToon

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:32 AM

    Comment #22

    Hatem – £18mil is far too much for big AC.

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  • Beattie25

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:34 AM

    Comment #23

    A few quotes that can sum up how I felt when he left::

    ”The strength of a family, like the strength of an army, is in its loyalty to each other.”

    ”The scholar does not consider gold and jade to be precious treasures, but loyalty and good faith.”

    ”Once the rudiments of loyalty are in place, the ambitious have been inclined to work with them to promote their own advancement, and they have availed themselves of the symbols of loyalty to mobilize popular support for their own personal ends.”

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  • jesperfuglsang

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:36 AM

    Comment #24

    WWYCD

    I was thinking the next time just drive him straight to Pardew’s and lock him up in the basement 😉

    That hotel is obviously flawed 😉

    The prodigal son will return one day, but it has only been a year and we really fooled the bindippers with that transfer so they would want some of their money back.

    And we are cheap skates so that won’t happen mate not in a million years B-) lol

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  • Papiss_Myself

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #25

    Beattie, what have you been smoking with those monks?

    And where can I get some?

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  • Papiss_Myself

    Jul 16, 2012 at 9:50 AM

    Comment #26

    It’s probably safe to say that this whole Andy Carroll situation is over now. Liverfool won’t loan him out and we won’t spend a huge amount on him to get him back.

    Next story please Ed.

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  • HullMag6

    Jul 16, 2012 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #27

    Give someone a big enough cheque and they’ll sell their mother down the river, thats life/human nature.

    To those who call him Judas get a life.

    Do you honestly think the management would consider going for him if he was a judas or a potentially destabilising personality. I think not.

    Welcome him home.

    ps tw@ter accounts could all be fake for all we know.

    With all the fixtures we’ll need 4/5 first team strikers to cope tactically and through fitness/injuries.

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  • HullMag6

    Jul 16, 2012 at 10:02 AM

    Comment #28

    Give someone a big enough cheque and they’ll sell their mother down the river, thats life/human nature.

    To those who call him Judas get a life.

    Do you honestly think the management would consider going for him if he was a judas or a potentially destabilising personality. I think not.

    Welcome him home.

    ps tw@ter accounts could all be fake for all we know.

    With all the fixtures we’ll need 4/5 first team strikers to cope tactically and through fitness/injuries. Trust the gaffer.

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  • tweaked

    Jul 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM

    Comment #29

    for me I think BA is a much better striker than carrol, especially with the ball at his feet, andy is excellent in the air but I think if we played a diamond 4-5-1 with ba just behind cisse to hold up the long balls and play thru the middle will allow us to tear apart any defence and both strikers will have plenty of goal opportunities

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Jul 16, 2012 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #30

    For all of those quick to accuse AC of treachery and from what I’ve read I bet a large percentage of those dont realise that Judas Iscarriot is a lot older than Sepp Blatter,has nobody taken into account the pressure the lad must have been put on from members of our team desperate to get their hand on 35 million pound.

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  • HullMag6

    Jul 16, 2012 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #31

    Dont forget the rumoured sell on clause whatever we bid we get 20-25% back, happy days. do the deal

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  • JDdubai

    Jul 16, 2012 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #32

    Why complain that he left anyway, we got the better deal out of it by far which helped us build the side we have now.

    We should be thanking MA/Liverfool/AC for doing the deal, if he comes back to be 4th choice for 10 million fair enough, we will be a stronger squad with him there than without. Not worth 15 million though.

    Cant see it going ahead anyway, unless they sell for 15million+ they are just leaving themselves open to being ridiculed even more.

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  • Colo-Sus

    Jul 16, 2012 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #33

    Hello everyonem

    hope you are all well.

    The more I think about this Carroll deal, the less I want it to happen.

    We are a far far better footballing side than we were, and Carroll as we have seen at Liverpool is one dimensional. Yes hes a weapon pn the bench for a late Gung ho approach, but i just dont see the point. The romance of it is dead to me since he left in the first place, hes no Shearer.

    Id prefer us to go for somebody like Gudetti or that kid at Inter.

    Rodgers is no mug, he will get Liverpool playing real football, hence him not wantng Carroll, we are going that way too so why add a player that wont fit our system? I dont see the point unless hes willing to sit on the bench every week and be content to be a sub, barring jan/afcon and cup matches. He should not be allowed anywhere near Cisse or Ba’s starting berths.

    Thats just my opinion. Leave it alone, get Debuchy, in a CB Anita and a striker and we are golden .

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  • MT

    Jul 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #34

    i don’t think Andy Carroll is suit the type of term. NUFC is play more about Short pass & skill. in addition Ba ‘ll stay here, Andy Carroll become third choice striker.
    we should buy someone can play striker & winger, who need fast, skill & score. just like Guidetti, Luis Muriel, Nacer Chadli & Facundo Ferreyra.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jul 16, 2012 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #35

    Valci

    I beg to differ, i think tiki taka is the future, maybe not in england cos we never try anything different. Spain have won 3 major tournaments in a row.

    It really is boringly pointless arguing against that.

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  • RossNUFC

    Jul 16, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    Comment #36

    Love big Shola,

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  • Mark29Hungary

    Jul 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    Comment #37

    Nothing happens. Ba is better than Carroll but Andy is a good option to replace the Demba boys.

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  • Davies

    Jul 16, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #38

    That Carroll left made me quite angry at the time, but it was the choice of team that really rubbed salt in the wound. I don’t really want Carroll back, but I suppose it would be nice to see scousers getting robbed for a change.

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  • a long way from newbiggin

    Jul 16, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    Comment #39

    May I repeat the earlier comment that if AC does come back he should get the number 35 shirt. I would luv it!

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