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Newcastle Now A Resilient And Determined Side – Coloccini

9:47 am, Monday, July 16th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 71 Comments

Papiss Cisse was sensational in his first four months on Tyneside earlier this year, when he scored 13 goals in just 14 games, and some of the goals the lad scored were simply fantastic.

Fabricio Coloccini – Newcastle captain

The Newcastle captain Fabricio Coloccini is hoping the Senegal striker will continue exactly where he left off last season, when the new season starts with a tough home game against Tottenham Hotspur on Saturday, 18th August, at St. James’ Park.

This is what the club captain told the local Sunday Sun yesterday when he talked about Papiss:

“If he continues to play the same way then there is no reason why he shouldn’t be able to outscore everyone. He scares the life out of rival defenders. He is sharp and so unpredictable.”

“And, let’s be honest, to challenge you must be scoring goals and we have two strikers who are a match for any in the Premier League.”  “Above all else it’s going to come down to hard work and dedication.”

“We have had a taste of success and so have the supporters. Both of us want that to continue.”  “I can remember the doom and gloom around the place when we got relegated.”  “Nobody even thought we would be challenging to come back to the Premier League immediately, they all thought we would struggle again.”

“But those bad times have made us far more resilient and far more determined. Nobody wants to suffer like that again and I don’t think they ever will.”  “That is not to say we are complacent and believe in our own success.”

“We know we will have to work hard and compete at every level and take on every challenge.”  “But you only get out what you put in. The players have never been complacent or taken anything for granted.”

It’s going to be a tough start for Newcastle once the season does get under-way, and not only will we want o make a good start in the league, like we did last year going the first 11 games without defeat, but we also need to qualify for the group stages of the Europa League too.

We’ll probably need some of the Papiss magic to do that.

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71 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Slank // Jul 16, 2012 at 9:50 AM

    Top man. An example to all.

  • 2 Beattie25 // Jul 16, 2012 at 9:50 AM

    Pieceofpapiss

    You meant Carroll? Sorry that’s my auntie not some guy that everyone else is talking about.

    She’s a lovely woman, makes a mean bakewell tart

  • 3 Zangwill_Ho // Jul 16, 2012 at 9:50 AM

    Really don’t want Andy back

  • 4 Graeme // Jul 16, 2012 at 9:50 AM

    If we start off this season the same way we started the last one, I cant see too many complaints being heard!!

  • 5 Zangwill_Ho // Jul 16, 2012 at 9:50 AM

    Really don’t want Andy come back

  • 6 Brettoon // Jul 16, 2012 at 9:52 AM

    Where is Debuchy?!?!

    Sod all this Carroll talk… Never going to happen…

  • 7 rainrix // Jul 16, 2012 at 9:55 AM

    On the bright side the carroll saga has actually whipped up a decent debate. Looking at liverpool forums is worth a laugh atm serious opinion split much like on here.

  • 8 ~Debuchery on a Dreamboat~ // Jul 16, 2012 at 9:57 AM

    We would be bigger clowns then liverpool if we resigned Carroll.

  • 9 pieceofpapiss // Jul 16, 2012 at 9:57 AM

    @Beattie25

    Nice, aye you going to bring some of those cakes to the training ground and share with Demba, Papiss and Pardieux?

  • 10 GeordieToon89 // Jul 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM

    Would anyone else take Gio Dos Santos from spuds? Could get him for cheap as he says he’ll leave for free nxt summer

  • 11 kt97toonarmy // Jul 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM

    look we need strength in depth so carrol would fit the bill we could play over 50 games this season

  • 12 Tooooon // Jul 16, 2012 at 9:59 AM

    I’m bored of all this Carroll lark, whats happened to Debuchy? I think we’re getting over confident that we can get good deals and that we’re offering too low, alienating the other team… I’m also getting worried that we’re get to sign a first team player… anyway, I’m hoping we will have signed someone this week.

  • 13 Tooooon // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:01 AM

    GeordieToon – I wouldn’t, I don’t want to take a team’s 1 place above us rejects + Spuds never sell cheap, they’ll always try and recoup their money; so a deal would never be ‘value for money’ anyway.

  • 14 rich_toonfan // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:03 AM

    Carroll would be good for us.

    Need 3 good strikers at European level, can’t get by with 2 and shola.

    If Carroll plays sides can’t drop too deep as he will be a danger in the air near their goal.

    If they push up too far cisse or Ben arfa could run in behind.

    It would generate a good lens of football.

    We can’t play like Barcelona, nobody can and nobody really wants to. For me Madrid are much better, attack with more pace, have a variety of options.

    If you have only one way to play you eventually get found out. The reason Spain’s success has gone on for so long is because they use the style of barca But if it doesn’t work they can use te Madrid player style, a 60 yard ball out to the wing from alonso and a cross fr Torres/villa works equally as well sometimes.

  • 15 Valci // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM

    rich – I agree mate. Thats what i’ve been trying to explain but some people choose to be dense. On the other hand i think Spain had a poor euro2012 only shining in the final against an Italy that had a really off game. In the rest of the games there was a distinct lack of ideas (read lack of Messi) in their side. But you’re right, Real’s game is much more varied which makes it harder for opponents to figure you out… although i hope Barca wins the title there next year hehe.

  • 16 sks_toon // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:12 AM

    I just think if we are going to pay out the 11 million for a striker, im sure there are other options out there that are more suited to our style. I wouldnt mind Carroll but not for the reported prices which I believe are too high, if we can get him under 10 million then fine, if not lets spend that money to get Anita and a young striker in addition to Debuchy and Douglas (Both players who we reportedly have deals in place for).

  • 17 Jail for Ashley // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM

    For all of those quick to accuse AC of treachery and from what I’ve read I bet a large percentage of those dont realise that Judas Iscarriot is a lot older than Sepp Blatter,has nobody taken into account the pressure the lad must have been put on from members of our team desperate to get their hands on 35 million pounds.

  • 18 Beattie25 // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:14 AM

    ”The strength of a family, like the strength of an army, is in its loyalty to each other.”

    Without AC our team spirit, fight, belief and more importantly quality has grown to a new level. Many of us have quoted that this is the best team since 2003-2004, the best in nearly a decade. A decade that brought us mercenaries signing to bleed the club dry, footballers who cost more than we could afford to pay out and whose overall contribution to the team saw us plummit to relegation and to near non existence.

    AC returning would be in purely footballing terms a luxury buy and an attempt to build good press on Tyneside. He offers little in terms of value in relation to other footballers who could do a great job and a lesser price.

    99% of the opinions I have read are based on some idea that he could be the same payer he was 2 years ago, others are based on the fact he deserted us but you have to look at this from a footballing perspective.

    Is it really worth an outlay of 10-20 million for 1 player? Is it worth spending breaking the wage limit on that 1 player? Would he really push us to the next level? Would his return to the best of our knowledge be welcome in the dressing room? Would he better the team spirit? Would he be a statement to our rivals that we mean business?

    I’m sorry guys but it is an overwhelming no on all of these for me.

    If we want a plan B, a tall rangy striker that can head and a player that wouldn’t mind pushing from the bench what about Toivanen? He is cheaper, more versatile and whilst not a better CF he would better the team. Plan B on a budget. That is our way, our ambition is to become a major power of English football at a low cost and I want us to continue in that fashion.

    The AC saga should be used as an example to the youth at nufc. If you leave due to money, agents or because you think another team is better suited to push for honours then leave, but don’t think we’ll have you back if it all goes wrong.

    What message does signing AC give to young footballers?

    I digress though away from football so forgive me.

    AC is not a good fit for the new nufc and I would be amazed if there was any truth at all in the story as I think like otter have stated a smokescreen in in effect.

    If he was to return I’m sure he would score loads with Guti’s and Obertan’s undeniable quality of finding a good cross.

    If the jigsaw piece doesn’t fit, then don’t force it into place just to make a nice picture. That could ruin the rest of the pieces in return.

    Peace out y’all

  • 19 toonking // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:14 AM

    unless everybody has changed there attitude surrounding shola ameobi, why is it such a bad thing having 3 very good strikers.
    think of england with euro 2012sweden was a good game but once rooney came back it was like saying we don’t need carroll we have webeck and rooney so what happens we do auful and were lucky to get a result against ukraine and italy should have won.
    Look back at recent years teams like fulham stoke middlesbough have all been near relegation zone because of all these extra games they had from the europa league. so if wew only have two strikers to choose from i dout we will be any differant.

  • 20 kt97toonarmy // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:16 AM

    from what i heard debuchy is a done deal and also douglas is on his way for 5 million

    i also reakon we need 2 more signings if we sign anita debuchy carrol and douglas for our depth for europe

  • 21 Valci // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:16 AM

    Another article speculating the Carroll move.
    http://news.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/football/premier-league/newcastle-to-test-liverpool-resolve-in-bid-to-recapture-england-star_110946.html
    What i found funny was this part:
    “Somewhat surprisingly, Newcastle enjoyed a better season than Liverpool in terms of league standing last term, as a SIXTH place finish ensured Europa League qualification for the Magpies.”….bad jurnos are bad…

  • 22 toonking // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

    something else i just remember from last year once saylor got injured wasn’t set pieces becoming a problem for our defence?
    if so what better way to help than a striker like AC who is tall

  • 23 Beattie25 // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:20 AM

    Toonking

    ”something else i just remember from last year once saylor got injured wasn’t set pieces becoming a problem for our defence?
    if so what better way to help than a striker like AC who is tall”

    Perhaps signing a CB who can head. Why spend 10 million on a striker for his defensive abilities?

    Worst post of the day so far goes to you sir.

  • 24 kt97toonarmy // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM

    beattie douglas is 6 ft 3 and is very powerful in the air and we are getting him for 5 million and hes a brazillian internatinol

  • 25 JDdubai // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:24 AM

    Its gone so quiet on Debuchy and Hoilett, thought there would be something by now wherever Holett goes.. his weekend in Germany is over and no news.

    Come on, Debuchy, Hoilett, Douglas and then maybe scrape either Anita or a CF over the line too.

  • 26 GeordieToon89 // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM

    Douglas isnt a brazilian international.. Hes brazilian but he isnt an international.. He also isnt much of a threat from set pieces… Debuchy will be a good signing and also scores more goals.. I dont really want Douglas would much prefer Sakho

  • 27 JDdubai // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:27 AM

    @ kt97toonarmy 24

    He’s not a brazilian international, thats the whole point of him waiting in Holland til the end of August and us not buying him yet, so he can qualify to play for the Netherlands as he is uncapped by Brazil.

  • 28 Beattie25 // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:27 AM

    Plan B, Plan B god damn Plan B.

    We need a paddy striker for Plan B. Shola is good at flick Ons, headers and offering a plan C. He doesn’t mind sitting on the bench and doesnt cost a fortune.

    Some of you guys need to stop with the football manager simulation and visit the real world and look at our team. We need to play a multitude of formations that can stand up in the modern game. Evolve, adapt and control. That is the future. Carroll would offer nothing but a plan B and you want to spend 50k a week and 10-20 million on him.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    I loved him you know, thought he was the next Shearer. My heart swelled with such pride seeing our no 9 becoming the England no 9 but he left. Don’t care about the reason why! He left and we moved on. It’s 2012-2013 and we need to push on and let go of the past.

    What would you lot be saying I’d nzogbia or Milner returned?

  • 29 toonking // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:27 AM

    beattie when have you ever seem a corner or free kick which has only got defenders in the box what i am saying is tall forwards tend to be in the box for defending set pieces.

  • 30 super magpie // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:28 AM

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/7903839/De-Jong-near-to-Gladbach-switch

    De Jong’s moving there for €20million!!!! They must be desperate, twente must be pissing themselves

  • 31 graham cwarr // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:29 AM

    @kt97il is he? I thought he’d never played for Brazil and is gonna try for Holland

  • 32 Valci // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:30 AM

    Beatie – wow…long post. I happen to disagree with you on most counts though. I think he is worth around 15mil no doubt about it. I agree on the wages but think he would take a wage cut to return home because unlike you i think he is a geordie through and through and he would only bring more determination into the team (not disrupt the team spirit or any such drivel).
    I agree that he is expensive as a plan B but he might not always remain the plan B. On that note, i concede that Toivonen is a better buy and i think at the moment he is the better player overall (same aerial threat with better pace and movement off the ball). However, if we plan to keep Carroll here long term then i think he might become better then Toivonen because he is only 23 and has already shown signs off improvement as far as his ground game goes.
    You (or any of us for that matter) dont know the truth behind his leaving and might never know it so that argument doesnt help your point.
    As for playing style….please…i thought i (and others) had proven that wrong a while ago. But for the sake of argument…if Guti & Obertan can’t put a good cross in then maybe Benny or Marv or Cabs can.
    So indeed the pieces do fit…it just that we are missing a couple of them…

  • 33 MagpiesFlyHigh // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:30 AM

    Carroll is a red herring.

    Now watch and wait and see the true drama unfold

  • 34 kt97toonarmy // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:30 AM

    is he? i thought he was an international but then again there are a lot of good competition in tiago silva and lucio

  • 35 Beattie25 // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:30 AM

    Toonking

    How do teams with small strikers cope?

    How tall are Ba and Cisse?

  • 36 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    I sanction Beatties awarding of worst post of the day so far. Hear Hear!

    However Good Sir Beattius the 25th, on a certain Andrew Carrol, I do not completely agree.

    If we’re talking £20m, then sure, it’s a non starter. But around £10m? I’m not so dismissive.

    Firstly, let’s just talk about the pure satisfaction of getting one over Liverpool. Say we got him back for £12m (Have seen that figure reported). That would mean for 18 months non service, we made £23m and funded some major purchases for our team.

    I get what people say about our changed footballing policy at the club, but who is to say Andy can’t adapt to it? He has shown at the end of last season that he isn’t over and is a great striker. I truly think the move to Liverpool messed with his head. Do I think a return would make the difference? I think it would go a hell of a long way towards it tbh.

    Maybe we could buy an alternative striker offering the same “package” for less money. But he is a young, English International and a born Geordie, surely that counts for something?

    The other thing is, I don’t believe any of us on here know exactly what happened with his departure. We can make assumptions and say things like “well, he could of stayed if he wanted to”. Whilst there is truth in that, it’s not always that straightforward.

    Also, if he really forced a move out, do you think Ashley would even entertain the idea of bringing him back?

    The whole thing stunk at the time and I doubt anyone had “clean hands” in the ordeal. Either way, 18 months later, things are looking rosy at the toon and as long as a return wouldn’t impact badly on the current sqaud (and I would think before making a move Pardew would of thought about this), then I can’t see where it’s a negative.

    Anyway, that’s my rambling over. Where the hell is Debuchy? Why is Ashley being allowed to ruin our club? And where the hell is my coffee?

  • 37 kt97toonarmy // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    i know cisse is 6ft1 and i think ba is around 6,5

  • 38 rainrix // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:33 AM

    Don’t forget sholas also hella good on defensive set pieces. Still i don’t think he has the stanima anymore to play more than a half of football. We should be looking at getting a couple of young cheap strikers, perhaps a pacy and a tall hold up striker. More options and on less cost and wages than carroll.

  • 39 kt97toonarmy // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:35 AM

    you have a point rainrix but we cannot buy unknown strikers for europe

  • 40 Valci // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:37 AM

    Ibitza – lol mate…you basically said the same things i did paragraph for paragraph… great minds do think alike hehehe.

  • 41 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:38 AM

    Valci….I noticed. Perhaps we should discuss who’ll take which topic and save each other some head space and time? :)

  • 42 Valci // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:40 AM

    Ibitza – indeed. Would help me a great deal as im at the office and cant seem to stop refreshing the blog page.

  • 43 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:42 AM

    I have a nasty case of blogitus myself. Have seen the doctor, but he cannot help. Seems we’re destined to a life of refreshing and replacing F5 keys.

  • 44 graham cwarr // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:42 AM

    Cisse 6’6″ back closer to 7′

  • 45 graham cwarr // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:43 AM

    Ba closer*

  • 46 WWYCD // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:43 AM

    Right lads its time we all calmed down abit otherwise Shola will be upset and when Shola gets upset….

    https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2388139725/6qrv5absu70f6b4b1xxh.jpeg

  • 47 graham cwarr // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:46 AM

    @ibiza &valci fools seldom differ

  • 48 Valci // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM

    Cwarr – what have you been smoking and where can i get some?!?! … As far as i know Cisse is around 6’0″ and Ba around 6’2″.

  • 49 graham cwarr // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM

    @wwycd mackems are slain?

  • 50 MagpiesFlyHigh // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:47 AM

    Ibiza

    The story was that Ashley wanted to keep AC but Lamearse and the Silver Fox wanted to let him go.

    The loan offer is a wind up.
    1. It has the effect of unsettling the player as far as a move to WHU or QPR might be concerned.
    2. It sticks a single digit up at the Liverpool, management and Board,
    3. It makes a statement to the Geordie faithful (though I’m not quite sure what that message is)
    4. It diverts attention from other deals we are trying to make.
    5. It sends a marker that we’ll go to £10m and 40k a week for another striker, and the greedy agents will have picked up on that. We’re still looking elsewhere remember for a forward.

    We NEVER negotiate in public (and the management have told us this repeatedly) – so how come this deal got plastered all over the TV news feeds within an hour so of it surfacing. Wasn’t just to get Eds stats up on here that’s for sure.

  • 51 Colo-Sus // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:49 AM

    Hello everyone

    hope you are all well.

    The more I think about this Carroll deal, the less I want it to happen.

    We are a far far better footballing side than we were, and Carroll as we have seen at Liverpool is one dimensional. Yes hes a weapon pn the bench for a late Gung ho approach, but i just dont see the point. The romance of it is dead to me since he left in the first place, hes no Shearer.

    Id prefer us to go for somebody like Gudetti or that kid at Inter.

    Rodgers is no mug, he will get Liverpool playing real football, hence him not wantng Carroll, we are going that way too so why add a player that wont fit our system? I dont see the point unless hes willing to sit on the bench every week and be content to be a sub, barring jan/afcon and cup matches. He should not be allowed anywhere near Cisse or Ba’s starting berths.

    Thats just my opinion. Leave it alone, get Debuchy, in a CB Anita and a striker and we are golden .

  • 52 graham cwarr // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:50 AM

    @valci. You’re wrong. They’re huge

  • 53 WWYCD // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:51 AM

    cwarr
    Thats a controlled focused Shola…uncontrolled and in a country he is unfamiliar with there could be a international incident from which many peoples lives may not recover haha

  • 54 toonking // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:51 AM

    beattie at the end of the day it is our own opiinions, no matter how good he is i wasn’t wanting him on a permant deal i wanted him of a loan deal at the club so i get an idea of weather he will really help with set pieces both attack and defending and get to know how he will feel because i class cisse as the main striker ba 2nd and carroll as cup striker if he came.
    but my final point on this is ATM he is not a newcastle player so i would just forget about what impact he has on the team and wait for it to be confirmed. This transfer speculation could be just total non-sence and was just helped to sound true by the fact dejong is no long a target

  • 55 Valci // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:51 AM

    Cwarr – so it’s come to this huh??…calling people fools cause they don’t agree with you? How very mature of you … come back with some arguments and we can talk cause so far what i’ve seen has been weak at best.

  • 56 Jail for Ashley // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:52 AM

    Why cant the blog refresh its self like BBC sport does.

  • 57 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:52 AM

    Colo-Sus

    +100

  • 58 Valci // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:53 AM

    Cwarr – if you mean “huge” metaphorically then i will concede that they have been huge for us this past season.

  • 59 pieceofpapiss // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:53 AM

    Bamba is 6’2″
    Cisse is 6’0″

  • 60 WWYCD // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:53 AM

    MFH
    So u reckon the Debuchy deal is all paper talk as well? De Jong and Anita too?

  • 61 graham cwarr // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:53 AM

    @valci. I don’t disagree i was completing the phrase. Great minds think alike but fools seldom differ lol

  • 62 graham cwarr // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:56 AM

    On the contrary i actually agree with you both. Am i a great mind or a fool for that?

  • 63 Valci // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:57 AM

    @cwarr – hah…didnt know there was a second part to that phrase. You learn something every day i guess so now i can at least say that the blog is helping me improve my english hehehe.

  • 64 graham cwarr // Jul 16, 2012 at 10:59 AM

    @valci its more of a retort but i thought id point it out

  • 65 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jul 16, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    Cwarr…Well don’t! ;)

    Listen guys, I’m not saying we should have Carroll back, more commenting on people’s opinion it would be a huge step backwards, which I don’t agree with.

    MFH….That’s my point really, “the story is”. No one knows, so it shouldn’t be a deciding factor for people’s opinion. I agree on what you’re saying though, it is far more likely a smokescreen for the club to achieve whatever it is they’re up to, but likely or not, the deal wouldn’t be a stupid move on the clubs part as some have suggested. Of course, that is just my opinion and with the way I’m feeling today I wouldn’t argue that my opinion / decision making may not be as great as I’d like to think :)

  • 66 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jul 16, 2012 at 11:03 AM

    Cwarr…Perhaps a foolish great mind?

  • 67 Graeme // Jul 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM

    Beattie 25 @ 18 & 28.

    Couldn’t agree more; you summed it up perfectly.

    AC just doesn’t improve what we already have that couldn’t be provided by younger, better, probably cheaper options that are also available.

    Leave him to pursue his future wherever it takes him.

  • 68 pappiscisse9 // Jul 16, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/130885/1/watch-monaco-vs-newcastle.html

  • 69 LooneyToon41 // Jul 16, 2012 at 11:57 AM

    @25. Irish Independent reporting that Debuchy flew into England at the weekend (see themag.co.uk), and unverfied reports suggesting he booked into a hotel Saturday afternoon. Don’t think i quite believe the story, but hey…

  • 70 LEROI // Jul 16, 2012 at 11:58 AM

    debuchy arrived @ a quayside hotel on saturday night. He’s got his guys with him and has decided not to shave since the euros. I was trying not to say which hotel but i’ll give u’s a clue. the one thats had it’s security beefed up because of a certain brazilian olympic team arriving soon.

  • 71 Rotonda heights // Jul 16, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    Colo-Sus

    100%




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