Liverpool Wary Of Doing Business With Newcastle Again


There is a growing feeling that the Liverpool owners seem to be just a little unwilling to do business with Newcastle for Andy Carroll, and would welcome selling him to another club, other than back to the Magpies.

This businessman probably makes the Liverpool hierarchy very nervous

And the reason seems to be that it would frame  just how bad a deal Liverpool completed for the Newcastle striker,  should they sell him back to the Magpies at a huge loss.

And even if Liverpool get £20M for the 23 year-old, that’s still a £15M loss in a short 18 months, close to £1M a month, and that’s once reason why Director of Football Damien Comolli and manager Kenny Dalglish, who helped push the deal through on Liverpool’s new owners at the time, are no longer employed by The Reds.

Alan Pardew is the one at Newcastle who is pushing the deal, although Managing Director Derek LLambias is also an admirer of the Geordie lad.

Alan Pardew has always been a big believer in Andy Carroll, and would welcome him back on Tyneside for sure, and we also think it would be a good move for the big lad.

There seems like there’s a window of opportunity for Newcastle, to try to do a deal with Liverpool before next Monday, when Carroll is due to fly out to meet up with the Liverpool squad, who will be in Boston, where the American owners are located.

Alan Pardew said today that negotiations are going on at the highest levels with the Liverpool club:

“That whole process is a little bit more involved with the Chairman and the board at Liverpool.” “We’ve got a great team here, a great squad, and if Andy Carroll comes, it’ll only add to us.”

It will not be easy for Newcastle to pull this deal off, and the old saying – once bitten twice shy – is making the Liverpool hierarchy very wary of a certain Mike Ashley.

We have to remember that Mike didn’t want to sell Carroll in the first place, so somehow got £35M out of Liverpool in cool cash up front, for a lad who now wants to return to his home town club.

You win some – you lose some – but that’s now a  famous deal made by the Newcastle owner at the expense of the American owners, who are not bad businessman themselves.

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45 comments so far

  • Bloody Marveauxlous

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #1

    First…again.

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  • Valci

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #2

    cant keep up with all these thread…. so repost…again:
    MagpiesFlyHigh – read your reply in the other thread. And yes in 4-2-3-1 i didnt mean to play Cabs in the line of 2 but in the line of 3 behind the triker…effectively ACM role which i agree is his best position. When attacking in 4-2-3-1 you have the FB’s advancing to winger positions and the wingers towards the striker either cutting inside and shooting or on the flank crossing which in fact makes you attacking line a line 3 when in possession. You have your FB acting as wings and in the middle a triangle of Tiote,another CDM and Cabs higher up. Thats the way i see 4-2-3-1 at least. Much the same way, this formation quickly turns to 4-4-1-1 when defending with the wing providing cover on the flanks to helf the FB’s. Just my 2 cents…

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  • bevas

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:22 AM

    Comment #3

    Funny how times change…. In the past the bin dippers have stolen/tapped up, got on the cheap, lots of former toon players… Nice to see them tasting the bitter pill, even if it dosnt come off…!!!!

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #4

    Where did this come from?

    If true, it’s more likely to be because Lambias was recorded slagging off Liverpool Football Club to the public.

    Maybe this will be a lesson in karma for the moron.

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  • Valci

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #5

    TDS – Pardew also said :
    “It’s been said that he’s available, and if we’re involved then we’ll be involved because of the figures, not anything else, because we know he’s good enough. I’m slightly detached from it.”

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  • Vader

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #6

    It’s down to pool getting the best deal, unless they rather not deal with us and dispose of wor Carroll for less. Know how bad they are at running the club, it won’t be surprising if they choose to incur a bigger loss.

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  • BenbulbenMag

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #7

    Repost :

    Whistler

    “To say Carroll wouldn’t fit into our style….dont make me laugh! what style!!!??? we’re not f**king Barcelona! Andy Carroll is good on the deck and outstanding in the air….totally suited to a mixed game. He’s young, he’s dangerous and his best years are ahead of him.”

    I 100% agree with you, this is exactly why Pardew is going after him.

    He also brings these added benefits as others have mentioned :

    *Thumb the nose at Liverpool and shows great acumen
    (caveat with this is that other teams will become reluctant to deal with us as they will presume we get the best of every deal and are trying to fleece them continuously)

    *If we manage to get Carroll to produce our stock rises yet again proving 2 points: a) we know how to get the best out of players and will encourage others to come. b) You leave Newcastle at your peril, if you stay with us we will create an atmosphere that will get the best out of you.

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  • mindshaft

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    Comment #8

    Ultimately bindippers thought they were buying a striker that would become a force and were desperate to buy to placate the fans after Torres being shipped out
    The 35 million should be forgotten about as they got 50 million for Torres
    Carroll if anything has gone backwards and is unlikely to ever get any better than the form he showed at toon
    He’s prob worth 10 – 12 million, anymore and we’re being ripped off
    I’ll be truely gutted if we waste our whole 20 million transfer budget on him at the expense of strengthening the squad
    Only happy people in all of this will be Liverpool who won’t believe that they would ever get any money back on Carroll and Carroll himself who can get back out in the Bigg market and start slapping lasses again

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  • JDdubai

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    Comment #9

    I really cant see why LFC would sell to us. Its obvious it would make them look even worse and we wont pay 20 million or his wages and they wont let us have him for 13 million so cant see it happening.

    Really dont want to pay more than 13 for him, even 17 million would be too much, I like us being stingy nowadays!

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  • ROSHAN MAGPIE

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    Comment #10

    are those mackem s behind ashley

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    Comment #11

    Valci

    I meant the part about Liverpool not wanting to do business with us

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  • Ben Arfa (Either love him or Hatem)

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    Comment #12

    I may as well re-post too:

    Why is Ferguson not on the pre-season tour?

    Debuchy, Douglas and a forward in and we’ve got ourselves a great team:

    ————————-Krul————————-
    ————–Douglas——Coloccini————
    –Debuchy——————————Santon–
    ——————Tioté——Gutierrez————
    –Ben Arfa———-Cabaye——Marveaux–
    ————————-Cissé———————-

    – Santon at LB because IMO he seems more settled there.
    – I really think Gutierrez can become a good DM – he’s more than capable at LB and LM so adapting to an LDM shouldn’t be too difficult.
    – Cabaye is a great playmaker and I prefer seeing him weaving his magic further up the pitch where he can have more success.
    – Marveaux looks very confident on the ball from the little I’ve seen of him (yesterday and the Everton game) and could do a Ben Arfa-esque role down the left flank.
    – Ba and Cisse could rotate depending on the opposition. Ba seems a lot stronger and more of a presence in the air so he should play against the more physical teams.
    – During ACON, play the new Striker and have a development player take his place on the subs bench. Same goes for the DM, perhaps Abeid or Bigi or Gosling to cover for Tioté?

    Wow, I really need to get out more…

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  • SuperShearer

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    Comment #13

    We won’t pay £20 Mill for him, no one will especially given the wages he’s on. Pool know this they’re just trying to get as much money for him as possible knowing it will spare their blushes to an extent. But when AC tells Pool he’ll only leave for Newcastle, which I suspect will be the case, they may well look to ship him out on loan in the hope of putting him in the shop window for January. Either way it’s bad business from Pool and very bad man-management from Rogers. Had he stayed quiet he may have got a bigger fee and a more driven player in the shape of AC.

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  • Toonboy_84

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    Comment #14

    @ roshan

    Maybe they’re the new Kuwaity owners 😉

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    Comment #15

    strange comment from pardew wanting to distance himself

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  • ROSHAN MAGPIE

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    Comment #16

    toonboy 84 may be you are right

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    Comment #17

    Ben Arfa @ 12

    yes that team works with me with Abeid and Bigi understudying Tiote and Jonas and Ba rotating with Cisse.

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  • Valci

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #18

    TDS – lol sorry…misunderstood your other comment.

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  • pieceofpapiss

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    Comment #19

    Can’t understand people’s problem with this transfer. If he comes for £20 million he will take a pay cut, be playing for the team he loves and we’ve made £15 million profit. If he doesn’t come we’ve made £35 million profit and we move on to other targets. It’s a win/win for us.

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  • Shabilla1984

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    Comment #20

    @ROSHAN MAGPIE – ok bro, i thought you were someone else, you still live out there or in England?

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  • MUTINYbyLEMONS

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:51 AM

    Comment #21

    PieceofPappis
    That £20m can better spent somewhere else. I reckon 2 £10 m players will improve the squad more than one over priced player who our rivals don’t deem good
    enough for their club

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:53 AM

    Comment #22

    I can see Liverpool’s point of view.

    If they sell Carroll back to us for less than 20M, they are going to look like muppets.

    Perhaps there is a face saving way of including a lot of add ons.
    We pay 15M now and there is 5M more performance related add-ons over the next few years.

    Liverpool could then announce that we paid 20M for him.

    Don’t forget Liverpool got 50M from Chelsea for Torres that started all this. So they haven’t really lost out too badly.

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  • Beardo Ameobi

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    Comment #23

    13m – green light.
    15m – that would be the absolute limit, any more and I’d be disappointed that we couldn’t utilise such a sum more wisely.

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  • Beardo Ameobi

    Jul 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    Comment #24

    We don’t do add-ons, anybody who follows the club should know that’s not how MA operates, neither in transfer fees nor wages.

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  • MagpiesFlyHigh

    Jul 17, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    Comment #25

    Valci we’ll have to stop meeting like this 🙂

    Where does Cabaye play best….in a 433.
    Where did he play his entire career before he came to us … as ACM in a 433.
    What goal did he score on the Euros…from the ACM position.
    The playmaker has freedom to roam. He needs two DM players behind him to liberate him. Cabaye can be a bit clumsy in the tackle imo if he plays too deep. If you peg him back you’ll not get the best out of him. I think he’s good enough to avoid stepping on anyone’s toes BTW.

    We might be disagreeing about nothing much as what you call a 4231 I think is more a slight adaptation of a 433 so maybe we view the formations pretty much the same but I see the pure 4231 as an away game defensive formation like the 451. I do not want a lone target man. It is just so boring. (A bit like the Scotland International side.)
    I want to see a three man midfield with two good FBs who can push up the pitch and with DMs bright enough to play deeper to cover counter attacks when Santon and Debuchy are on the rampage. Then a front three who can overlap between flanks and direct attack.
    The centre guy in a 433 needs adaptable too… Torres (not a bad player, just badly managed) has played at his best this season when he has moved out wide and acted as supplier – he might not have had the goals but he has dragged defenders wide and left space for AMs and got a goodly few assists. Cisse does the same…when he’s not banging them in.

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  • rudy

    Jul 17, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    Comment #26

    yeah, why is Ferguson not around? injured? really rate the lad

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jul 17, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    Comment #27

    @Beardo Ameobi

    Love it the way we all talk as if its our money.
    Ashley can afford 20M.

    It’ll be worth it to him as anything under 35M makes him look a great businessman.

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  • NUFCWill1986

    Jul 17, 2012 at 12:24 PM

    Comment #28

    @hatem’s better – totally agree, it will just be a case of us being 15 mil up, have cabaye/tiote/santon/cisse and also have Andy 🙂

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jul 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    Comment #29

    @Beardo Ameobi #24

    We don’t do buy-out clauses either …

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  • XtraTimeAndPens

    Jul 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    Comment #30

    If we manage to get Carroll back for half price or less then Ashley will have pulled off one hell of a deal. You can understand Liverpool’s reluctance to deal because they’ll have been caught with their pants down. The problem for Liverpool, though, is that Rodgers has made it relatively clear that Carroll isn’t part of his plans at the club and it would seem that Carroll is keen to leave, which weakens Liverpool’s hand considerably. Ashley seems to be pretty enthusiastic about getting AC back on Tyneside. It’s hardly surprising given the (potentially) knock-down price and the fact Ashley was the only leading figure at the club who wanted to keep AC when Liverpool offered £35 mil last January. No doubt we’ll hear plenty about this deal before the end August regardless of how it pans out!

    http://www.extratimeandpenalties.com

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  • GeordieoftheSouth

    Jul 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    Comment #31

    I heard it was the opposite to this story…as Liverpool still owe us money for Carroll, if we were to get him then they wouldn’t have to pay the rest of the 35mill that is owed.

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jul 17, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    Comment #32

    @GeordieoftheSouth

    Good point!

    Did they pay 30M in cash and 5M to follow?

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  • toonarnie29

    Jul 17, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #33

    20 mil ?? No thanks I’d rather have 3 players in the mould of cisse, Ben arfa, and cabaye for that !!! I’d love to see AC back at sjp but not for that much

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  • jesperfuglsang

    Jul 17, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    Comment #34

    We cannot pay £ 20 mil for Big Andy cause we won’t be able to sell him for anything like that again 😉

    He is simply not worth that much and probably won’t be again unless someone like Liverpool wants him badly 😉

    But we should not feel bad for the bindippers; on paper they made a good deal. They sold Torres to Chelsea in a deal where they wanted to make a profit of £ 15 mil so they didn’t really care what Carroll cost.

    In my book the sore loosers are Chelsea 😉 lol

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  • MacToon

    Jul 17, 2012 at 1:10 PM

    Comment #35

    “Derek LLambias is also an admirer of the Geordie lad” ha ha, maybe when Llambias is sober!

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  • toonincheek

    Jul 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Comment #36

    If ‘Pool still owe us money for Carroll, then that would have to be paid back as part of the transfer deal, surely?

    Whereas if another club bought him, ‘Pool may be able to delay payment of the balance.

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  • toonincheek

    Jul 17, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    Comment #37

    In negotiating with ‘Pool over a fee for Carroll, NUFC need to put the fee into perspective.
    Carroll was valued at £15 million less that Torres – that’s probably still valid.
    Plus – it was the last day of the transfer window, giving us no chance to recruit someone else (thank God N’somnia didn’t sign).
    Plus – ‘Pool probably thought that Carroll would make the difference between them making UCL and not, so worth a lot more to them.

    The situation is very different now, hence the transfer fee is going to be a lot different.

    Our negotiators are far more streetwise than I am, no doubt, so they will have put this to ‘Pool already, and a lot more.

    I wonder how much any other club would offer, knowing that Carroll really wants to return to NUFC, not go to anyone else.

    Which makes me wonder – how come the news is being leaked so quickly? WE (normally) keep our transfer negotiations very quiet, and I can’t really see the ‘Pool wanting the details made public – loss of face and all that.
    Hmmm.

    All in all, I don’t see it happening.

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  • h0sta

    Jul 17, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    Comment #38

    welcome to home
    money isn´t all
    andy carroll
    andy carroll :))

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  • HullMag6

    Jul 17, 2012 at 2:51 PM

    Comment #39

    Take your 20 mil ‘pool subtract what you owe and lets see whats left to negotiate over.

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  • Ketsbaia9

    Jul 17, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    Comment #40

    I’d be happy with the signings of:

    Carroll
    Anita
    Hoilett
    Alderewereild
    Scharner

    We can tweak the squad again in January.

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