Magpies In Driver’s Seat For Carroll – But Will They Pay The Fee?


It seemed clear on Monday night that Newcastle were clearly in the driver’s seat to bring 23 year-old Andy Carroll back to Tyneside, and end Andy’s nightmare on Merseyside – well he would leave Newcastle.

Andy Carroll – before he got the number 9 shirt at Newcastle

It’s more than clear that Brendan Rodgers does not view Andy Carroll as part of his future plans at all, and Brendan has said all the right things for Andy to come to the conclusion that he has no future at Liverpool, unless he wants to become a squad player who’ll get a game now and again.

It seems that Andy has already reached that conclusion, and apparently has known about Newcastle’s interest since last Thursday, but of course he’s still on holiday and he’ll return on Wednesday, and the plan is for him to link up with Liverpool next Monday in Boston.

Liverpool only want to sell him this summer, and  a loan deal is not on the cards, and Rodgers is hoping a cash deal for Andy will furnish him with further funds to acquire new players before September rolls  around.

The Newcastle Evening Chronicle reported a friend of Andy’s saying this yesterday:

“Andy knew three days ago of the interest from Newcastle but has been on holiday.” “He’s been keeping an eye on things though and would love to come back.”

“Like the rest of the Newcastle fans he’s in awe of Papiss Cisse and would love to create what he feels would be a deadly strike-force next season.”

“He’s surprised Liverpool don’t want him anymore and doesn’t want to be where he is not wanted.”

Fulham, Aston Villa and West Ham United are interested in the player, as are AC Milan, and West Ham are said to have already bid £15M, which is probably the upper limit of what Newcastle are willing to bid, to bring Andy back home.

And apparently the Gateshead-born striker has even said he’ll take a wage cut to return to Newcastle, if some reports are to be believed.

According to our poll, with over 6,000 votes in, shows 62% are in favor of Carroll’s return with 26% opposed and the rest still unsure.

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It does seem all set up for Andy Carroll to return to Tyneside, but we think the biggest problem could well be Newcastle’s unwillingness to meet Liverpool’s demands for Carroll, which are said to be as high as £20M.

And if clubs like West Ham who are already bidding £15M – money they will be borrowing – then it could scuttle the deal for Newcastle.

After all Newcastle got Demba  Ba in for a £2M payment to his agent(s), and Papiss Cisse in for around £9M to SC Freiburg, so £15M is what we think is Newcastle’s upper limit on Carroll.

And if other interested clubs are willing to pay more – leaving aside whether they actually have the money or will simply borrow it – then it could scuttle Newcastle’s plans.

There will be more breaking news in coming days on this story, but that’s where we think it all stands very early on Tuesday morning.

What do you think?

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81 comments so far

  • Spuggy

    Jul 17, 2012 at 12:46 AM

    Comment #1

    Darron Gibson?

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Jul 17, 2012 at 12:49 AM

    Comment #2

    I think he may not come to us. But he would be a great striker at Villa or west Ham.

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  • nufc7lad

    Jul 17, 2012 at 12:52 AM

    Comment #3

    First time blogger here, long time reader. I wouldnt go higher then £14m for AC. Remember we get 25% off haha. I think that is a reasonable price for a geordie lad. Still would rather prefer Luuk De Jong tho if we still have a chance of getting him

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jul 17, 2012 at 12:53 AM

    Comment #4

    If we buy him for £15M, we can sell him back to the scousers for £35M+ once he starts scoring again…

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  • Beardo Ameobi

    Jul 17, 2012 at 12:58 AM

    Comment #5

    If he comes, he comes, if he goes elsewhere, we get a nice 25% cut of the fee, win-win!

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  • RonVanDam

    Jul 17, 2012 at 1:03 AM

    Comment #6

    I came across a article which is completely different to this news. Something to ponder i guess

    We featured in the most valueable football clubs up to 2010 and then dropped off the top 20 list

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes'_list_of_the_most_valuable_football_clubs

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  • mattnufc

    Jul 17, 2012 at 1:10 AM

    Comment #7

    @Ron
    We dropped off due to relegation, of course, but we are now back up to being the 25th most valuable club.

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  • Kyo

    Jul 17, 2012 at 1:13 AM

    Comment #8

    Beardo, I thought that was only if he was sold for 35 or more?

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  • Beardo Ameobi

    Jul 17, 2012 at 1:22 AM

    Comment #9

    Kyo

    Not as far as I’m aware, although who really knows anything!? Would be rather nonsensical for us to ask for a clause like that in my book,, as the likelihood would be just about zilch of him going for more than 35m in his career.

    We’ll see

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  • Colo2

    Jul 17, 2012 at 1:31 AM

    Comment #10

    Will we pay £20m…no. No club will pay that for Carroll, it depends how desperate LFC are to cash in. Would help with their own player recruitment

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  • No Plain Saylor

    Jul 17, 2012 at 1:42 AM

    Comment #11

    As great as it would be to see an in form andy carroll back on tyneside, £15m?? Narsingh signed for psv tonight for £3m he was keen on prem, would have been excellent and guidetti for £6m, debuchy for £7m. So that’s carroll narsigh, debuchy, guidetti…. what would u take??

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  • swemag

    Jul 17, 2012 at 1:45 AM

    Comment #12

    If pool get 20 for him today, then they should be congratulated. They would have done a bettr deal than the one toon did. Toon sold the hottest prospect in the league that had eradicated experienced defenders and looked like the new shearer. The player that is being sold today, not so hot. That is not to say he cant be again what he was.

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  • jackg

    Jul 17, 2012 at 2:45 AM

    Comment #13

    Hope AC comes back. Our strike force will be a force to be reckoned with.

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  • Toon-Barmy

    Jul 17, 2012 at 2:45 AM

    Comment #14

    Possible future line-up :

    ——————————–KRUL——————————–

    DEBUCHY——-DOUGLAS——-COLOCCINI—SANTON

    ——————————-TIOTE———————————-

    BEN ARFA———–CABAYE—————-MARVEAUX

    —————-CISSE———————-CARROLL———

    Subs:
    ELLIOT
    S. TAYLOR
    WILLIAMSON
    JONAS
    AMALFITANO
    BA
    AMEOBI

    Not including:
    HARPER
    PERCH
    R. TAYLOR
    FERGUSON
    OBERTAN
    SAM AMEOBI
    TAVERNIER
    GOSLING
    VUCKIC
    ABEID
    BIGIRIMANA

    That list only includes three new signings so things are starting to look pretty good.

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  • gonufc (up and Hatem)

    Jul 17, 2012 at 2:49 AM

    Comment #15

    But he never was this prodigous talent which some seem to presume he is just because of the fee. Many people seem to have this backwards logic where they infer that because he cost 35m then there is some elite talent which is not being shown at liverpool.

    Please don’t think I’m saying he is not a good player, he was great for us, but think about when he was younger- people didn’t even talk about him as the most exciting prospect we had. He is fantastic in the air, strong (which some referees punish him for!!!) and his hold up play is good but I don’t think he would be able to push Cisse or Ba out of the team.

    We’ve just seen today how good Ba is in the air, I don’t think he is needed. Either a smokescreen or sentimentality/ over- excitement.

    Plus, Liverpool would look ridiculous if they sold him back to us!

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Jul 17, 2012 at 3:19 AM

    Comment #16

    Carroll ba Cisse. If we are chasing the game we can throw all 3 upfront. That’s quality in depth. That’s the kind of quality players we must have on the bench. Like Manchester United with Hernandez etc

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  • Shot Bru

    Jul 17, 2012 at 4:11 AM

    Comment #17

    Would rather we spent the money on reinforcements for the defence….

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  • pbNcl

    Jul 17, 2012 at 5:40 AM

    Comment #18

    If he won’t go where he’s not wanted, then don’t come here andy cos I for one don’t want ya back. Jus cos ya big deal’s fell thru you wanna come back here!

    Would he be so keen if brendan wanted him there? Probably not. So let’s give him a big finger. Stick all this prodigal son crap, he’s a two bit charlie who’s comin back with his tail between his legs cos his big shot chance at the ‘bigger club’s’ fell thru. And why’s that? Cos the new manager actually plays intricate football and straight away thought ”I’m not havin one dimensional andy capp here” so why the hell should we. No. Go to stoke kid you’ll dee areet there but never in a black and white shirt ya div

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  • YankeeToon

    Jul 17, 2012 at 5:46 AM

    Comment #19

    Hers how I see it. 13 million cash, 1 million add on if he reaches 40 apperances and another million if he scores 20 goals in all competitions.

    I find it funny that Liverpool sees themselves in a position of power (asking 20 million) when its already understood Rodgers doesn’t want him and because of that he (Carroll) wants to go.

    Anything more than 13 million with incentives and wages of 50-55 k…. I say pass eventhough when need another striker…can spend the money better elsewhere IMO

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  • ~Debuchery on a Dreamboat~

    Jul 17, 2012 at 5:51 AM

    Comment #20

    IF we are willing to pay over the odds for an english player, we might aswell test Chelsea’s resolve on Sturridge. The lad is worlds apart from Judas and is clearly the vastly superior player. On top of that Sturridge would suit our play more son then “hoof the ball up to me” carroll.

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  • gndtoon

    Jul 17, 2012 at 6:01 AM

    Comment #21

    agreed dreamboat … .I’d go in for Sturridge who can play out wide if need be. Plus Carroll will likely unsettle the dressing room. He left when the club was Looking average and came back when it’s on the up. I am not sure that would sit will with the likes of steve taylor or the other loyal lads.

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  • stunna

    Jul 17, 2012 at 6:05 AM

    Comment #22

    I wouldn’t pay more than £10m for Carroll. If Pardew’s summer budget is really £20m, it needs to be spent on a RB, CB, CM and LW before a central striker. Assuming we stick with the 4-3-3, which I hope is the case, Carroll is nothing but a sub. I don’t want to move Cisse on a wing & risk a drop off like Ba’s.

    Ba isn’t a natural LW. If we’re going to buy a forward it needs to be someone to play on the left.

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  • pbNcl

    Jul 17, 2012 at 6:28 AM

    Comment #23

    Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and I respect that principal. But some people need to give their heads a wobble if u ask me. If we got cisse for 8-9m then how the hell is andy capp worth anything over 5m! Not that I’d pay 5m, I wouldn’t. Cisse is a real finisher, carroll is a wooden man. Lovenkrands has scored loads of goals for us aswell, and I would say peter is more of the finished article. And peter was twice as loyal. This whole saga has really boiled my pi55. 20 million!!!! Are they having a bloody giggle! Its all making andy carroll look like a wanted commodity, anybody else apart from west ham in for him?? No. Any big clubs want him? No. Cos he’s crap

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  • pbNcl

    Jul 17, 2012 at 6:37 AM

    Comment #24

    And before somebody mentions ac milan. I remember the brendan rodgers interview where he said nobody had been in for carroll. So I dunno how that works out. Maybe they offered him I dunno. His only real option is to come back begging. Let the smoggies have him

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  • Valci

    Jul 17, 2012 at 6:38 AM

    Comment #25

    Stunna – this blog is interesting for me as you get to see all the different sides of the NUFC fans. For instance i hope we don’t play 4-3-3. People need to understand we are nothing like Barcelona. They breed players for and into that system. Unfortunately they are also one-dimensional when compared to Real for instance who combine the new (high rate of passing football) with the old (awesome wing play + crosses). I’ve said this before and i’ll say it again…i believe hybrid playing styles offer the most options and not everything that is old is bad. On that note, remind me how Spain opened the score in the final against Italy…was it a CROSS from Cesc followed by a header from Silva??(hoofing is bad, crossing is good).So personally i would like us to play 4-2-3-1… coincidentally Carroll would be ideal for playing the lone striker role in front of a trio of say Benny-Cabs-Marv which have skill, pace, can shoot from outside the box or can attack the wing and cross inside the box.

    On to the Carroll discussion itself…personally i am disappointed with the comments some of you have made. You immediately question his loyalty when in fact none of us know what really happened when he left. And even if it had been his choice, at 21 you barely know right from wrong…i dare any of you to take a “step forward” and explain to the rest of us how you NEVER made a bad decision in your life.

    Also, to anyone claiming you cannot play on the ground with Andy… i call bullsh1t. Players should play the way the managers tell them to play… if they start hoofing it forward instead of building up play then its their own fault not the striker’s fault for being big. Andy can be used in the system i was talking about in the 1st paragraph with great success as he can put the ball down to any in the line of 3 behind him and create spaces for them quite easily. So yeah he can be used for build-up play.

    As for the price tag, personally i believe the true valuation of the player is around 15mil so i’d be happy if we got him back anywhere around that number.

    /rant over

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  • MT

    Jul 17, 2012 at 6:39 AM

    Comment #26

    agree stunna, if ba stay here why we need AC~
    especially RB & LW, Simpson is horrible last night~
    Tavernier instead of him. And also LW is weak, just use Marveaux, Obertan & Samuel Ameobi not good enough play first term. striker, we buy someone is young, potential & score.

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  • Beattie25

    Jul 17, 2012 at 6:51 AM

    Comment #27

    Valci

    When have Barca ever played 4-3-3?

    They play a formations that represents an ever evolving single celled organism. In face I doubt it has numbers the represent it other that 1.

    4-3-3 is a modern formation that when used correctly can turn even the most mundane teams into a threat and that is due to it’s versatility. It can switch quickly to a 4-5-1 a 4-4-2 etc… depending on the scenario.

    I for one do not want to play 4-3-3 to play like a European giant. I just don’t want to suffer another season of being outplayed, overrun and controlled.

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  • Valci

    Jul 17, 2012 at 6:58 AM

    Comment #28

    Beattie – they do play 4-3-3 even if it is a fluid one but in principle i agree with what you are saying. However, i could say the same for 4-2-3-1… it can just as easily turn to 4-5-1 or 4-4-2 etc. Point was that i believe it is a system that offers good balance between offense and defense and i’m starting to see it more and more i’m delighted to say.

    As a side note, neither Barca nor Real would be where they are if they hadn’t robbed spanish football for years which in fact they continue to do. Check money form tv rights etc etc etc. So European giants they may be, but they do not deserve my respect…

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  • phoonck

    Jul 17, 2012 at 7:06 AM

    Comment #29

    no i wouldn’t want Carroll back! have you all forgotten how unsporting of him to dive and try to cheat the referee a penalty at St James Park, the home of Newcastle Utd?!

    i can understand and accept the fact that, even on his own accord and not forced out like what alot here claim, he moved on to something bigger in his life and career, to win trophies and higher wages. we all do, let’s not kid ourselves. i wouldn’t have begrudged him winning and scoring, but when he’s a Geordie, born and bred, i detest him for actually attempting to cheat! how many of our former players, who loved their time here at Newcastle and felt proud to be part of us once, resort to the above-mentioned? i dont remember any..

    i’ll never look at him the same way ever again!
    don’t get me wrong, he is still a great player to have, but after that fateful incident, sorry Andy Cheatroll, ply your trades elsewhere! anyone can dive and cheat at SJP, not you, a true Geordie who claimed he loved the club and us!

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  • mindshaft

    Jul 17, 2012 at 7:07 AM

    Comment #30

    Carroll is not worth 13 million , west ham are desperate and will prob pay more in fee and wages, let him go there
    He’s a decent barnstorming striker but he’s on the last 18 months form he’s worth around 6 million max
    People are getting confused by the fact that dippers paid such a high amount for him but this was simply due to the fact they were desperate after selling Torres for 50 million

    Let’s face it how much would you pay for Torres – 10 million ?

    I like Carroll and he did well before becoming a judas but I think we’ve moved on and 13 million could buy debuchy and Anita – if we spend 13 + million on Carroll we can say goodbye to any more signings

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  • geordielad95

    Jul 17, 2012 at 7:08 AM

    Comment #31

    Listen , if we are seriously in for him, it is because Pardew, carver and Carr and co see a genuine talent that fits their master plan. They aren’t going to bid 13mil just for sentimental reasons are they!! So all You’s hating in Carroll are just going to have to realise, it’s not up to You’s wether he comes back or not, and if he does, it’s purely based on football reasons.

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  • mindshaft

    Jul 17, 2012 at 7:11 AM

    Comment #32

    Carroll is not worth 13 million , west ham are desperate and will prob pay more in fee and wages, let him go there
    He’s a decent barnstorming striker but on the last 18 months form he’s worth around 6 million max
    People are getting confused by the fact that dippers paid such a high amount for him but this was simply due to the fact they were desperate after selling Torres for 50 million

    Let’s face it how much would you pay for Torres – 10 million ?

    I like Carroll and he did well before becoming a judas but I think we’ve moved on and he has hasn’t.
    13 million could buy debuchy and Anita – if we spend 13 + million on Carroll we can say goodbye to any more signings

    Hopefully Ashley and co aren’t reverting to type and giving the fans what they want aka shearer and kk as managers which were disasters albeit for differing reasons

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  • jesperfuglsang

    Jul 17, 2012 at 7:18 AM

    Comment #33

    Common guys, this deal is not gonna happen. It is never gonna be about Carroll, but about what Liverpool wants.

    If Liverpool can get £ 15 mil from West Ham why should they sell to us for less?

    Carroll will get much more playing time as West Ham anyway; where would he fit in in our team?

    He is a good player, but lets face it he is not coming back this time around 🙂

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  • Valci

    Jul 17, 2012 at 7:18 AM

    Comment #34

    mindshaft – read geordielad’s last post. It says it all really. If you think for a moment our management are going for Carroll for anything other then footballing reasons you are deluding yourself. I don’t know if there is any truth to these bids or if we are actually gonna sign him… those are all big IF’s but if we do it will be because management think he would improve the squad and nothing else. In Carr we trust … isnt that what we say?!?!

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  • Valci

    Jul 17, 2012 at 7:21 AM

    Comment #35

    Jasper – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2174679/West-Ham-eye-Manchester-United-striker-Dimitar-Berbatov.html
    on the west ham issue…dunno if its true but if it is i think it’s because they realize we have a better chance to get him since he wants to come here. But we will see how things unfold i guess.

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  • Toon_Tom

    Jul 17, 2012 at 7:31 AM

    Comment #36

    If this comes to fruition, then with the Andy Carroll money we would have signed:
    Ba
    Cisse
    Tiote
    Cabaye
    Amalflitamo
    Bigirimana
    and ………………… Andy Carroll

    You have to love Ashley 😉

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  • NUFCWill1986

    Jul 17, 2012 at 7:31 AM

    Comment #37

    @GeordieLad95 Spot in mate. Couldn’t have put it better myself. Many people make out like NUFC never needed/wanted him to start with. I would be chuffed if we got him personally.

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  • Grafton83

    Jul 17, 2012 at 7:34 AM

    Comment #38

    Bring him home for 15m, if I was playing fm I’d spend the money on him. There aren’t many players out there like Andy and he’s young, there is plenty of potential there.

    I think too many comments compare the price to cisse. We aren’t going to be able to drive the price down in every transfer we do. I think 15m would be the right price for Andy. Any more and it’s just too much.

    His price should be higher than others though as he is a proven premier league striker now. Cisse had done well in Germany but he had only played for a smaller club and wasn’t well known. There was much more of an element of risk with that transfer than there would be with Andy.

    As it turns out Cisse has been amazing and now that he is also proven in the Prem you’d have to imagine that he’s worth 2, 3 or even possibly 4 times what we paid for him.

    All things consdiered 15m isn’t a bad price for the player your getting. I still say go for it.

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  • Beattie25

    Jul 17, 2012 at 7:41 AM

    Comment #39

    Grafton

    He isn’t very good on FM I’d rather buy some unknown Argentinian with Italian ancestry that grows to have finishing stats of 20

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  • Beattie25

    Jul 17, 2012 at 7:42 AM

    Comment #40

    Valci

    Nice argument, well presented and I concur.

    Tip of the cap sir

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