Demba Ba Part Of Carroll Deal – Not Good For Newcastle


We suppose it had to happen, and there are reports this morning in the papers, suggesting that Newcastle could sweeten the deal to get Andy Carroll back from Liverpool, by offering Demba Ba in a part exchange plus cash offer.

A fit looking Demba Ba in action in Germany Monday night

If all the news is to be believed, and sometimes that’s difficult at this time of year,  Ba has that £7M release clause in his contract that runs out at the end of this month, but any deal to get Carroll back, that also means Demba Ba leaving Newcastle for Liverpool, would not be a good deal for Newcastle – in fact it would be a backward step.

We are not saying the powers that be at Newcastle want to do this, and we suppose if you put two and two together, it’s hardly surprising there will be reports saying that Demba Ba could be part of the deal – which is being reported in today’s Northern Echo.

If we are honest,  then both Papiss Cisse and Demba Ba are better strikers than Andy Carroll, and probably better technical players too, and while and it would be good to have Carroll back on Tyenside, we have to think any deal is going to be very difficult for Newcastle to agree with Liverpool.

Newcastle should not pay anywhere close to the £20M Liverpool are asking, and if the Merseyside club are firm on that figure, Newcastle should let West Ham or some other club pay that for Carroll – it’s not good value.

Newcastle still need to bring in a 4th striker this summer to add to Cisse, Ba and Shola Ameobi, but there are other young strikers around that Newcastle could bring in, for a lot less than it will cost them to get Andy Carroll back on Tyneside.

The most important thing is to keep both Demba Ba and Papiss Cisse at the club this summer – whatever else happens.

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51 comments so far

  • Beattie25

    Jul 18, 2012 at 8:49 AM

    Comment #1

    A ploy from the desperate scousers

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  • arroeben

    Jul 18, 2012 at 8:50 AM

    Comment #2

    Rubbish.

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  • Colo-Sus

    Jul 18, 2012 at 8:51 AM

    Comment #3

    Utter toss

    Ignore and move on.

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  • arctoa

    Jul 18, 2012 at 8:53 AM

    Comment #4

    The only way there could be any truth in this is if Ba’s privately said that he wants to jump ship, and Newcastle see this as better value than losing out on the release clause that’s in his contract.

    That said, I still think it’s a rubbish story. When was the last time a high profile player moved in a swap deal?

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  • Colo-Sus

    Jul 18, 2012 at 8:53 AM

    Comment #5

    Ba is a far better all round player than Carroll, If this were to happen (which it wont)

    Pardew et al will go down in my estimations in a big big way.

    Think they are doing a fantastic job at the moment.

    This is pure paper talk and nothing more…

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  • magpie6699

    Jul 18, 2012 at 8:55 AM

    Comment #6

    2 + 2= 5.

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Jul 18, 2012 at 8:55 AM

    Comment #7

    Rubbish. We need Ba Carroll and Cisse. All 3 super strikers here. The scums shouldn’t take Ba for Carroll. Rubbish news.

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  • Ben3arfa

    Jul 18, 2012 at 8:57 AM

    Comment #8

    If True , then ASHLEY HAS DECIDED TO TO PISS US ALL OFF AGAIN

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Jul 18, 2012 at 8:58 AM

    Comment #9

    It doesn’t mention this in the Mail so it could be true.

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  • Grafton83

    Jul 18, 2012 at 8:58 AM

    Comment #10

    NO DEAL, I’d rather keep our money and keep Ba

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  • Mark29Hungary

    Jul 18, 2012 at 8:58 AM

    Comment #11

    We need both of them. Newcastle will play 40-50 games next season, so Cissé, Ba, Carroll and Ameobi are not too much strikers in the squad.

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  • Jimay

    Jul 18, 2012 at 8:59 AM

    Comment #12

    I think we should just sit tight and watch how the Carroll saga is continuing. Why not wait until January’s window as they might be ready to let him go for less than 20 mill that is reported now. I dont believe we are in a hurry to sign Andy back.

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  • breno95

    Jul 18, 2012 at 8:59 AM

    Comment #13

    Was only a matter of time before the Ba link came into the AC equation. Apparently MA bid 13m cash but pool want 20m. Ba’s alleged release clause is 7m so do the maths.
    As for the rumour of Simpson going to Reading they have just signed Gunter and he is a RB so don’t see Simpson going anywhere which is good for the club/squad IMO.
    Hoping Debuchy does see NUFC as his priority and as for a new CB well its gona be a case of wait and see as I don’t have a clue about any of those being linked.

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  • BigKirky

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:00 AM

    Comment #14

    Ba is a better all round player than Carroll by a clear margin for me, no doubt. Not a good deal if this is true, although I wouldn’t have thought it is. £10m is highest i’d go for Andy and even then I’d prefer a more technical player with pace and a good finisher.

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  • OoAhDembaBa

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:00 AM

    Comment #15

    you’ve got to be takin’ the piss!

    I surely hope this is just poor and lazy journalism

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  • GarageFlower

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:01 AM

    Comment #16

    “Thats all we have time for this week on Jackanory”

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  • Valci

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:01 AM

    Comment #17

    While i love Demba Ba as much as any of our players, i wouldn’t say this is a particularly bad dead really. While at this particular moment in time Ba is indeed more apt on the ball then Carroll, Andy offers another dimension to our attack and is not actually that bad on the ball as some people claim… but leaving personal feelings towards players aside… its Ba’s dodgy knee that worries me. The fact that allegedly, it could give out at any time. For me it’s a constant worry that we could lose one of our attack force mid season and the remainder of our strikers would have to bare the added pressure… thats what really bothers me the most.

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  • nufc.romania

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:02 AM

    Comment #18

    BA is not going anywhere, if we can get carroll back with max 13m il will get him. But BA must to stay at the club.

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  • veto

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:02 AM

    Comment #19

    have abit common sense .
    the release clause is only in effect till the end of the month, after that his price is at least double.
    why the hell would we sweeten any deal with a player who’s value is going to double in a couple of weeks time ?
    thankfully we appear tobe to smart for that , the papers want this deal to happen one way or another so they have something to fill their pages, mike isnt going todo them any favours for the sake of it .
    no way in hell will we go over 15 million for him , were just not that daft anymore thank god

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  • Bloody Marveauxlous

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:05 AM

    Comment #20

    Best XI:
    ———————-Krul————————-
    DEBUCHY—DOUGLAS—Colo–Santon
    ———————–Tiote———————–
    HBA—————CAROLL———Cabaye
    —————Cisse———–Ba—————-

    Subs:
    Harper, Raylor, Saylor, Bigi / Perch / Amalfitano, Jonas, Marveaux / Obertoon, Shola

    Reserves:
    Elliot, Ferguson, CURTIS GOOD, Tavernier, Willo, Perch, Sameobi, Gosling, Ranger, Xisco

    Champion’s League Place? F.A. Cup? League Cup?
    2012/13 champions?

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  • Fat_Robbo

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #21

    Offer Ba plus cash, to get a player back on four times the wages he was on before Liverfool made one of the biggest transfer mistakes ever?
    Doesn’t sound like a good deal to me

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  • barcodejoe

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #22

    Jesus, i cannot believe we are even thinking about a swop + cash deal for Carroll. Make an offer (not anywhere near £20 mill) if its rejected move on!!!! he is not that good. Jordan Rhodes is available and no where near as expensive…..

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  • sirtoongospel

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #23

    For me, we need Andy for 2 reasons, firstly there is still the chance Senegal could beat Ivory Coast and we could lose the 2 boys in January, and also, Shola (as much as I love him) hasn’t got long left at top level, even as a super sub. With Andy back, we would have 4 top strikers.

    Also, being honest, Demba could leave at any point with this clause, so if it’s on our terms that has to be better then being mugged last day of the window. I don’t see huge differences between Demba and Carroll though when it comes to fitting into Rodgers style of play. They aren’t that dissimilar.

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  • Bloody Marveauxlous

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:09 AM

    Comment #24

    Fat_Robbo,

    Andy Caroll made it clear with his representatives, he wanted to come home. He even said he would take a wage-cut if it meant he could play at St. James’s Park

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  • ~Debuchery on a Dreamboat~

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #25

    Where is the logic in this?

    Newcastle are after a 3rd forward. So we are going to offer our 2nd striker + cash to bring in another forward? Bs. To top it off since when was offering a player + cash for an inferior player a good deal?

    This report is a non starter. We could keep cisse, keep ba and buy a QUALITY forward with that 13mill.

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  • ~Debuchery on a Dreamboat~

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #26
  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #27

    Carroll is only 23.

    If we can get Andy he’ll be our CF for 10 years!
    Ba is a mercenary and could leave every window that comes along.

    Ideally we’ll keep Ba and get Carroll.
    If not long-term I’d rather have Carroll.

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  • Valci

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #28

    Debuchery – i get that you don’t rate Carroll but youre not really in a position to judge. Personally i think that if Pardew rates Andy higher then Ba then its ok. It all depends on the manager’s priorities… and note of us are privy to that information. So while you might think that Andy is inferior to Ba, Pardew might think differently…

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  • mindshaft

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #29

    Have it on good authority that the Carroll thing is dead in the water, we were asked by Liverpool representatives if any interest in taking Carroll back, MA put in realistic bid where we take him on a season long loan where bindippers pay half his wages and we have an option to take him at end of loan period for a 13m fixed fee
    Liverpool said ya cheeky fooks, you’ve already stung us – we said shy bairns get nowt

    Media is carrying the story on and on as nowt better to report

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  • Novocastrian66

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:19 AM

    Comment #30

    Delighted with the good news Ed. Keep up the fight bloke.
    We’re trying to build a strong squad and I don’t believe Newcastle will entertain a swap deal with Liverpool. It is pure speculation. If Liverpool where to trigger the release clause we would have no option but to notify Demba. However this would not mean he would want to go.
    Liverpool are desperate to off load Carroll and would not leave the deal hanging on whether another player fancies a move. Who is going to blink first? Newcastle won’t wait forever and aren’t as desperate as Liverpool, who need a deal to happen.

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  • Munster Mag

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:30 AM

    Comment #32

    We need a new striker, but surely we also need another creative midfielder, not to mind at least one full back, and a centre half!! Not too worried about those positions as we seem to be very active, but if Cabaye gets injured, as he will, who will take his place?

    Bigi – Too soon for him
    Vukic – Dont make me laugh
    Gosling – Even worse

    Also, whats the word on Debuchy – seems he has a number of offers or is that all pants?? Cheers, havent been on the blog fopr a few days.

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  • wynsleap

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:43 AM

    Comment #33

    Ed – great to hear your news. You and your family must feel like a great weight has lifted off your shoulders. Keep on fighting and keep these articles coming.
    You are an essential part of NUFC life here.
    Re Carroll – the ideal scenario would be for Andy to come back and be happy with being a rotating 3 man strike force as we’re going to need them all for the Premiership, domestic cups and Europe.
    However, if he were to come back and think he should walk into the first team and thus cause some disruption it could be bad for the club.
    Personally I wouldn’t like to see Ba go as we are then faced with looking for yet another third striker. Possibly young with potential and a smaller fee?
    As for Debuchy and Douglas – think it’s about time we stopped playing around and got these lads “over the line”. Getting a bit sick of these ‘closing in on’ reports.

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  • Les Grossman

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #34

    Mindshaft Mindshaft Mindshaft
    “have it on good authority”!!!!
    That is French for ” I’m about to talk shite”

    Personally don’t think we’ll get AC back, but all these ITK he is he isn’t coming back, and the lowest “I have it on good authority” oh FFS, I have it on good authority that the IHIOGA crew are all fudge packing plumb licking gimp suit wearing people!!!!!!

    It’s ruining a good blog!!!!!!

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  • Les Grossman

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    Comment #35

    Mindshaft Mindshaft Mindshaft
    “have it on good authority”!!!!
    That is French for ” I’m about to talk sh!te”

    Personally don’t think we’ll get AC back, but all these ITK he is he isn’t coming back, and the lowest “I have it on good authority” oh FFS, I have it on good authority that the IHIOGA crew are all fudge packing plumb licking gimp suit wearing people!!!!!!

    It’s ruining a good blog!!!!!!

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  • toonarnie29

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM

    Comment #36

    Sky sports are constantly reporting that AC doesn’t want a permanent move away from the bin dippers, just that he wants to prove himself good enough to Rodgers…. That doesn’t sit well with me.
    I’d like him back but not on that basis and definitely not in a swap plus cash for ba.. Not gunna happen

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  • Lynxie

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #37

    Ed:
    Great news that you are back on the ‘permanent’ mend. Well done, I am sure it has been a long road, and that I speak for many on here in wishing you a continued ongoing recovery. Now then, can we have Perchino on the banner please?

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  • Davies

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #38

    Hatem’s better….. Let me get this straight, Ba’s a mercenary, but you’d rather have Carroll? Seriously? I sure hope we have the £80k a week he demanded before leaping off to the land of thieves. Pillock.

    Glad to hear the good news Ed. You’ll outlive us all.

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  • Premiership Manager

    Jul 18, 2012 at 11:15 AM

    Comment #39

    Is Ba better than Carroll and how have people arrived at that conclusion?

    I’m absolutely amazed at some of the comments on here. during last season Ba’s goal return rate was 47% however in the preceding season Carrolls was 65%.

    Did we have as good a team when Carroll was playing the answer is a definite no.

    Did Carroll have the support of Cisse, HBA, Cabaye and Tiote the answer is no, he was playing in a very average side.

    Does Ba track back and defend as well as Carroll – No

    Is Ba as good at holding the ball up ans winning the ball in the air – No

    The only areas where Ba beats Carroll is he has a better first touch and he is better when the ball is played to his feet. he does have better movement however he is not a better all round player.

    Facts that also need to be taken into consideration is that Ba’s knee is cause for concern.

    Ba did not score in his last 13 appearances alongside Cisse.

    He has not committed to the club to ease the speculation he may leave.

    If a club comes in offering improved wages it is very unlikely he will stay.

    At 27 it is very likely he will improve.

    His international commitments mean he will miss a key part of the season and combined with Cisse this will leave the club short of proven forwards.

    If we offered 10M and performance related bonuses + Ba to get Carroll back it would be very good business as any uncertainty surrounding ba’s commitment and future at the club would be resolved.

    Carroll is still a developing player and both Cisse and HBA with thrive off his ariel ability and physical presence.

    As fans we have to be realistic and also believe in Pardew and his reasons for bringing Carroll back. There is very likely much more to this than meets the eye and it still remains to be seen if this is simply paper talk or a prelude to contractual negotiations

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  • Premiership Manager

    Jul 18, 2012 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #40

    Should have said unlikely Ba will improve at 27

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