Derek LLambias – How Newcastle Did That £35M Carroll Deal


Newcastle United drive a very hard bargain on transfers, and most Newcastle fans know that, and it even comes as a welcome relief from paying over the odds on both transfers and wages, like a certain Newcastle chairman Freddy Shepherd, born and bred in Newcastle – used to do not so long ago.

Derek LLambias – we had the control

Newcastle are in the midst of trying to bring Andy Carroll back to Newcastle and we saw this bit form Derek LLambias, when he explained in rife language, just how Newcastle did the deal with Liverpool on the last day of the transfer market – January 31st, of last year – to the astonishment and anger of Newcastle fans.

This is how Derek explained the deal, which was picked up off a Liverpool blog this morning:

“It is about control.”  “We had the control. We knew the Torres deal was there.”  “We drew that F  deal, perhaps the ultimate.”

“So £30M? F off! Don’t waste my time and I slammed the phone down.”  “£35M? Everybody including manager Alan Pardew all agreed to that.”

“But the £35M they wanted to pay over four years. It was rubbish. Mike Ashley said,  and he is a brave boy Mike I promise you  — “get all the £35M up front.””

“We got it all up front and then they never paid us on time and we charged them 12 grand  F interest.”

Yes, that F word is a four letter word that ends in “k”, and obviously Derek wouldn’t get many comments published on this blog. 😀

But he’s not unlike a lot of executives I’ve known over the years, and some top IBM executives were more than a little forceful in the words they used in meetings, as they tried to get their points across – and left the air rather electric when they left the room.

You can only imagine how Derek LLambias and Mike Ashley are thinking and talking this time around, with the Liverpool hierarchy, and trying to get another good deal for Carroll, but it seems the odds are just stacked against them.

There’s still more to unfold in this story, no doubt about that, and we’ll just have to hope the negotiating skills of the two people at the top of the Newcastle hierarchy can do another stellar deal to get Carroll back on Tyneside.

That’s what we are hoping for, and as Alan Pardew said yesterday the deal is being done at the boardroom level of both clubs – but that’s where most of the transfer deals are done these days – it’s all about money.

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38 comments so far

  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:02 AM

    Comment #1

    Yeah, bring this up to p*ss off the scousers even more so they don’t want to do business with us again…

    🙂

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  • pieceofpapiss

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:07 AM

    Comment #2

    this is another deal where we have the power. Liverfool dont want him, he wants to come home.

    Aside from the original deal and his form last season, £15 million for AC is a good deal. He’s a great player with potential do do much more and we all know he gives 110% for us.

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  • keeping the faith

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #3

    I would have understood a loan move for Carroll but to pay so much money on a player who has scored 6 goals in his last 42 games and 38 goals in 133. It is hardly inspiring is it and if we want to be better than Liverpool then why buy their rejects whilst they buy better players? The only reason Carroll plays for England is cos they’re rubbish. For the money he’ll cost there has to be better options

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #4

    According to “a friend”, he wants to come home…but if West Ham stump up more cash then he’s going to have to really dig his heels in to insist he wants to come to us only. Would be joke if he ends up at West Ham mind you…I can’t believe that would motivate him, surely it’s got to be us or abroad?

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  • OoAhDembaBa

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #5

    West Ham aren’t in it

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #6

    Of course West Ham are in it, the cockney wheeler dealers are in everything they can get their grubby little hands on…

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  • DevonMag

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #7

    sounds like a right charmer, does our Dekka. I for one am very, very glad that our chances of re-signing Carroll are so slim. Imagine the kind of quality we could buy on the continent for 12-16 mil!

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  • davybtoon

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #8

    Liverpool won’t get 20m n they kno that

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  • Marty-Toon

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #9

    35million up front and interest because of paying late lol
    Some mobsters we have running the club,shrewd business.

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  • croftus5678

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #11

    why would we ant to pay all that money for a third choice who would not be happy on the bench ? i’m sorry as much as i would love to see him in black and white again i see this deal as a backward step even if carrol did nothing wrong in the move to liverpool and as good a player as he is we would be paying the price we can get 3-4 world class players for not just the 1 who will more than likely upset things when he’s not in the team all the time!.
    spend the money on douglas / debuchy / and gamerio or another lower cost striker

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  • pbNcl

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #12

    Right. I’m layin low till this absolute circus has died down and blown over. Its making me sick. Roll on fuc*in august

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #13

    Lads,get with the programme a club that wouldnt spend an extra million on an international left back we desperately needed are not going to fork out 20 million on a striker thst has made Liverpool look the biggest mugs dince we bought Boumsong.

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  • RonVanDam

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #14

    With all the articles, looks like ED is not keen on seeing AC back at NUFC.

    As to the previous articles, i wouldnt swap Ba for AC. Not only that, i wouldnt fork out 20m for AC regardless of 25% cash back we have on him. There are better strikers out there.

    For 20m, we could buy 3 good quality strikers to add to our attack, possibly from France, Uruguay or Spain or even Germany

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  • keeping the faith

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #15

    Exactly devon. There are better options. And if he’s not good enough for liverscum then surely he’s not good enough for us. If he is so good value then why is it west ham and villa being linked and not a top team. Think about it.

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  • Marty-Toon

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #16

    Can anyone tell me where AC will fit into he team?
    He will slow down our play and we will go back to hoof ball.
    Ok,he’d be great for free kicks n corners but,what bout the other 85 mins on the pitch?
    BR sees that he doesn’t fit into a flowing style football team,why do we want him in ours?

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  • r and r

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #17

    We’re sick of this Carroll fever.He’s just a poor mans Ibrahimovic.
    Quick someone call the doctor

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  • Geordie-Jake

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #18

    Barcelona only want 4 million euros for Afellay!!! 🙂

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  • Marty-Toon

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #19

    Many on here saying use BA as bait but BA scored more in half a season than AC did in the championship
    BA was payed outa position after Cisse came,he wasn’t off form.
    Of course he shoulda scored in a couple of games but all in all,he was class for us.
    I believe we should go for a more pacy striker than AC

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  • Marty-Toon

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #20

    RonVanDam
    Totally agree there,money could be better spent elsewhere

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #21

    OoAhDembaBa – it’s a daft headline from Sky Sports. Read Big Sam’s quote and he says they were in for him but couldn’t reach agreement. That definitely doesn’t mean that they’ve ruled him out. They’ll be in there like a fly smelling sh*t if he doesn’t make a move to us.

    RonVanDam – seriously, when are people going to stop going on about this 25%…now it’s “cash back”???

    Don’t you think modest Derek would have bragged about that too? “And they even agreed to F give us 25% cash back!!! F scouse F…”

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #22

    This deal is ridiculous no way should we pay £20 mil £12mil tops and no way should that include demba! In the words of dekka £20 mil fcuk off!

    Also carroll would be very stubborn possibly stupid to rule out a club like west ham or fulham and defo milan all these clubs can afford his wages (maybe not fulham) and can offer garunteed first team football to get his form and career back on track not to mention his international career

    Tbh i see this as a backwards step for us and andy i agree we need a 3rd n possibly another striker on top of that but not a bench warmer on £80k a week

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  • Phatoon

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #23

    That talksport interview that was posted yesterday had the journo saying that Liverpool did not pay the full £35m upfront. Shows that the journos just don’t really know what they are on about….

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  • the1willy

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #24

    I don’t often comment, but in this case I really do think we should bring Andy back. It’s difficult to remove the emotianal side to this one, a local lad come good, but ironically I think it exactly that emotion which makes this the right move. Rather than a one trick pony (as some call him) I think Andy is actually more a one club pony. To any other team he probably isn’t worth more than 10m, but perhaps to Newcastle, he is worth a bit more, here’s why:
    1: Just look at the way he played for the toon and plays for his country, he’s all about passion and strength, and his passion will always be at home with Newcastle. Andy only has one team at heart, and always will.
    2: He adds an extra dimension. I don’t think he should be a fixed starter, but if you’re losing 1-0 with 10 minutes to go, there are very few opposing managers who want to see you bring him off the bench to attack the central defenders.
    I think if you really look again at the ‘dive’ at St James’ and think what might have been going through his head. Did he stumble on purpose? Did he try to avoid scoring at all costs and rather have a team mate do it from the spot? Did he actually start shouting and screaming for a penalty?
    Bring him back, pay what we need to. If he does come, he’ll be here for the long haul and I’m sure he’ll refind his form. If he heads off to West Ham or another club, he’ll just be the same Carroll as we’ve seen this year. If he comes home, he’ll show once again what he can do.

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  • G

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #25

    Never mind the Andy Carroll Malarkey, I’m just releived to hear your health update Ed. I echo your thoughts and hope it continues well into the future.

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  • Levi

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #26

    if another team offers 20 mil then we get 5 mil of that. so we should tell liverpool if they sell him to us to forget about the 25%. and liverpool would be stupid to turn that down.and they got 1 of the best LBs in the league for 6 mil last summer so its all swings and roundabouts

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  • RonVanDam

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #27

    Just because L’fool bought AC for 35m doesnt mean he was worth 35m. They wanted to make quick sale to Chelsea. Sold a quality player to buy a upcoming player with injury.

    Sale made. Carroll flopped. 6 goals in 42games. Supposedly sale price – 20m. Worth it? No

    Compare Carroll to:

    Ba – Free – 16 goals in 34 games. Ratio of about 1 goal in 2 games
    Cisse – 9m – 13 goals in 14 games. Ratio of 1 goal per game
    Carroll – 6 goals in 42 games. Ratio of 1 goal in 7 games

    You decide

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  • NUFCWill1986

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #28

    I cannot see how the AC transfer can be bad for us. If someone told me when we sold this was going to happen, I would have been ecstatic.

    Excellent bit of business for the club in terms of what we received and then reinvested but also the thought of having a young striker of Andy’s proven calibre – is tantalising!

    All my opionion – Will

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  • jimmymagpie

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #29

    PbNcl @ 12 – I’m with you mate. Let’s get back to football, in stead of all the cr-ap off SSN and the so-called newspapers. We haven’t had a decent reporter in the local media since John Gibson was on the NUFC beat. The present lot of Ryder, Cameron, and Douglas, haven’t a clue, and publish utter gar-age! Think back on all the players who were supposed to be coming to ncle in the last 2 years, and then think where they are now.

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  • DevonMag

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #30

    Do Barac honestly only want 4 million euros for Affelay!? Let’s offer them 5 million quid and be done with it! Now there’s a player who would fit into our current system like a dream:

    —————-Krul——————
    Debuchy–Colo–Douglas–Santon
    —————-Tiote—————–
    Ben Arfa—–Cabaye——Affelay
    ————-Cisse—-Ba————-

    Personally I’d take that over any other starting 11 in the league outside of Spurs and City

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  • LooneyToon41

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #31

    The whole deal was completely surreal given the US Liverpool owners (Henry & Co) business beliefs regarding ‘Moneyball’ etc etc. It’s obvious they didn’t have their hands really on the tiller at that point, and had left it to Comoli to run that side of things. Hence, he was sacked! Just really bad business all round. The money they received for Torres, should have been irrelevant to their decision making process of procuring new players.

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  • croftus5678

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #32

    @devonmag

    love the line up but would only change one thing from our current players
    —————–krul——————
    debuchy-colo-saylor-santon
    —————tiote—————–
    arfa——-cabaye——marvaux
    ———-cisse—-ba—————

    even the bench is looking good apart from cb and striker that we could have a better class of (not that sammyobi/shola/williamson/tav/perch can not cover well but a little extra class would be helpfull)
    looking forward to this year but again top 6 with europe games aswell this season and i will be a happy boy 🙂

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  • WhyAyeMan

    Jul 18, 2012 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #33

    We should get Carrol on loan with the option to buy later at 15 million or whatever. That way we can ‘try before you buy’ because lets face it. When Carrol was banging goals in for the toon he was not worth 15 million so he is certainly not worth that now when he is half the player he used to be. He could come back and either do amazingly well then we can choose to buy him with the loan clause or he could do bad then we choose to give him back to the scousers.

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  • Premiership Manager

    Jul 18, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    Comment #34

    Just to put the record straight regarding Ba v Carroll

    Ba’s goal rate in 2011/2012 was 47% Carrolls, in an inferior team without the support of Cabaye, Tiote, HBA and Cisse in 2010/2011 was 65%.

    The club wouldn’t pay ott for Carroll and would only resign him if the deal was right for all concerned.

    However I can’t believe how unprofessional Liverpool have been in handling this situation. They have effectively cut their own throats and tied their hands behind their backs. The unrest in the dressing room, especially if Carroll was well liked will be at boiling point. The new manager has done a very good job of starting where Dalgleish left off. Everton fans must be laughing their caps off

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  • RossNUFC

    Jul 18, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    Comment #35

    I hope we don’t sign Affellay. So overated.

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  • Magpie from Lithuania

    Jul 18, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    Comment #36

    Carroll’s price in Jan will be even more decresed. We should wait on thant and buy Debouchya and CB then Gameiro or Guidetti or other good striker.

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  • XtraTimeAndPens

    Jul 18, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    Comment #37

    However Ashley and Llambias did that deal, they managed to make Liverpool look like utter mugs. To be fair though, having seen the money that they also splashed out on Henderson, Downing and Adam last summer, they hardly look like the shrewdest businessmen. Can’t see Rodgers having the same money to spend this summer unless he gets some serious money for Carroll. Not that I’m complaining mind. Hopefully Liverpool will spend next season competing with Everton and Fulham for 8th position again!

    Also, just wanted to say that I’ve got a new post on Man City up on my blog. It’s at:

    http://www.extratimeandpenalties.com

    Cheers!

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  • deyansabourian

    Jul 18, 2012 at 7:18 PM

    Comment #38

    xtratimeandpens-
    just read your blog post on coloccini and loved it, great work and keep the posts coming.

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