Magpies Plan New Cash Bid – But Carroll Just Too Expensive?


There’s no way Newcastle should pay out £20M to bring Andy Carroll back to Newcastle, and if that’s really what Liverpool want for their England striker, Newcastle should look elsewhere.

Andy Carroll – in England’s colors

When you look at the deal Liverpool want to make, there’s just no way they will let Newcastle get any kind of good deal, after they were taken to the cleaners a short 18 months ago, as somehow Mike Ashley and derek Llambias persuaded them to pay out £35M in cool cash for the charismatic Geordie striker.

Liverpool have been embarrassed by that deal, and especially the new American owners, who were new to the game of football transfers, and relied on manager Kenny Dalglish and Director of Football Damien Comolli, but it was a terrible deal,  and both Comolli and Dalglish have since been sacked by the club.

Liverpool would much prefer to do a deal with any other club than Newcastle, because if the Magpies can get him back for even £20M, Newcastle have still got a 15M profit in a short 18 months, and that will be the headlines, and Liverpool will not look good – and they know it.

But it seems that Liverpool are ready to sell the 23 year-old this summer,  and news today that Andy’s  advisers spoke with new manager Brendan Rodgers yesterday, and were informed that indeed he doesn’t see Carroll as part of his future plans.

Rodgers wants to bring a Barcelona style of football to Liverpool, and will play the ball on the ground and pass the ball around, much like Swansea have done  for the last couple of seasons.

There’s news today that Newcastle are preparing a new all-cash bid of £16M, but Liverpool will reject that, and be much more comfortable selling Andy to another club – like West Ham, Aston Villa or some other club – any other club!

That’s why it will be very difficult for Newcastle to do another deal with Liverpool, at least when a certain Andy Carroll is involved.

It’s a really good story that broke on Sunday night by Sky Sports, that’s very true, but even Newcastle cannot pull this one off – not this time.

Can they? 😀

What do you think?

Comments welcome.



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56 comments so far

  • leefire

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:41 AM

    Comment #1

    First

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM

    Comment #2

    I’m still hopeful.

    If Liverpool want rid, where can he go?
    Hopefully Andy will stick out for a move back home.

    It could be that we are the only option.
    Do Liverpool want 13-15M in cash or they’ll be paying the wages of their own Xisco for the next 4 years.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM

    Comment #3

    Knob.

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  • leefire

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:43 AM

    Comment #4

    I don’t think it will happen they will want too much. And now the rumour is Ba and cash. I’d rather keep Ba. And get someone else in or take Carrol for the right price.

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  • jamo nairobi

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:44 AM

    Comment #5

    I think if we get Andy for anything less than 20m we’ll have pulled a coup and made a cool profit.He was one of the better England stirkers in the Euros and had a relatively good end to the season especially in the FA Cup final.We know what he can do if Pardew plays wingers who will give him service from the flanks so he’s relatively a safe bet and his wages of 80k are fair for an Eng international.
    What we shouldn’t try and do is offer Ba as a part of the deal.

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  • LooneyToon41

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #6

    £20m is just too much, and doesn’t fit our transfer buying policy. The £35m we got for him should be completely irrelevant in our decision to want to bring him back. It’s sunk/gone/history. On paper, it may look like a £15m profit, but this is not how business works. It’s notional only! Ask any supporter the question. You have £20m to spend for NUFC. What would you do? If the answer isn’t ‘Buy Andy Carroll’, then we shouldn’t do it. While i’m all for trying to lure Andy back to St James’, £20m is just not good business imo, and the money could be better spent by Mr Carr!

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  • Ben3arfa

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    Comment #7

    Carroll is not better than BA

    END OF STORY

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  • Grafton83

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    Comment #8

    I think there are too many unknowns for us to really know whats going on with this transfer.

    If we really are preparing a 16m bid does that take account of the 25% sell on clause, does that clause really exsist, does it only come into effect if he’s sold for more than 35m?

    I don’t think anyone else will be prepared to bid 16m in cash upfront. That sounds like a very generous offer, even more so considering that we are usually very reluctant to pay over the odds and have previously followed a strict value for money approach.

    I really don’t think Liverpool should be embarassed by selling him back to us. It’s just business and it was Chelseas money that paid for it anyway. Our money should be as good as anyone elses.

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  • seantoon

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM

    Comment #9

    I agree we just need to chill out place our 13-15 million bid and say that’s as high as were going and leave it in there hands. Rodgers will need that money to pull off a big signing before the start of the season. We just need to wait and they will crumble

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:50 AM

    Comment #10

    Loonytoon,
    With you on that one,could be a great deal but only at the right price.

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  • JDdubai

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM

    Comment #11

    20 million could get us 3 top players if invested properly, surely that is better for the team than spunking it on 1 player who wouldnt even get into the first team.

    Too much emotion involved in this transfer, if it was anyone other than AC would he be worth that money? Course not, the only reason it is being considered is because of who he is.

    Squad players arent worth 10 million, let alone 20.

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  • GeordieToon89

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #12

    If liverpool sell to another club for £20million we get £5million of that so they only getting £15million so it pays them to sell to us for £16million or whatever

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

    Comment #13

    I wish I could just hide all future posts of these “First” knobheads. When your idea of an achievement is posting first on an online blog, you really need to get out more…

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  • Jonny

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

    Comment #14

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AwuazHJZC4&feature=related

    Douglas does not have the right attitude. Last thing we need is another Joey Barton! Get in Sakho, much better player.

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  • Widowmaker

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:53 AM

    Comment #15

    Havn’t posted for a long time.

    I think AC would be a very good signing as he can really be a very useful plan B for us. However, I am not so sure if he is presenting the best value to Ashley and co. when Adebayor costs far less.

    I know Adebayor is not a very good example but he is, in terms of overall ability, better than AC at the moment and costs far less. Don’t get me wrong, Adebayor would be the last player I want in black & white. Just not sure Ashley would be willing to sanction the transfer if Liverpool is asking that much.

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  • Marty-Toon

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #16

    Why take him home?
    It means hoof ball!
    We play a much better style since he left and thats the reason Rogers wants to sell him,so why should we take him back?
    Ok,he will guarantee goals from corners as that is where we were poor last year but he will slow our game up.
    Not sure it’d be a good buy

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  • check the toastie

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #17

    Wud defo include Ba in any deal for Carroll, for me we have seen the best Ba has to offer, if we can now use him to strengthen the squad we should, and for me Carroll and Cisse wud be dynamite together. Tell me a defence who wud look forward to coping with them 2 on form. Ba has been por since xmas.

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #18

    GeordieToon – I think people have been playing Championship Manager too much! Where did this rumour of the 25% sell on clause come from? I seriously doubt they would make that public even if it were true.

    And usually where there is a sell on clause, it’s based on profit, not sale price. So NUFC would get 25% of anything above £35M…

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  • SuperShearer

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:57 AM

    Comment #19

    MA won’t pay over the odds for AC. He might go as high as £15 Mill knowing we get 25% of that back. No more than that. Liverpool want rid of him and they’ve shot themselves in the foot by saying as much meaning they won’t get the money they want for him. You have to question BR’s management skills based on this incident alone.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Jul 18, 2012 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #20

    Check,
    Can the blog handle such contreversial comments !

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  • GeordieToon89

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #21

    We wont play hoof ball anymore than we do now!! Sick of people saying that its pathetic, Carroll is a good ball player aswell hes got good movement and is good with his feet he can be a great link up player for Ba and Cisse.. We dont play ultimate football we just play to beat other teams strengths and Carroll would be an enormous step to doing that as as he will totally dominate and feed into ba and cisse who will bang the goals in

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  • kev1664

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #22

    I think we’re in the box seat here. If we put in a £15million bid then we should just suck it and see. Have a word in Andys ear to flatly refuse to move to any other club, then Liverpool are backed into a corner. Spend £4.1 million on wages for a player not going to be used or recoup £15million for the striker and save £20 million in total over the season. We don’t need Carroll as much as Liverpool need to sell him. Even better for us if we do have a sell on clause and if he does go somewhere else we will still make money in him.

    Don’t however involve Ba in any deal!

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #23

    I think Ba will be used in Europe and Cisse in the EPL.
    Otherwise Ba will be sulking out on the left wing.

    Playing 442 to accommodate a stroppy Ba isn’t the answer.

    Wouldn’t want Ba to go but I’m with Check … if its the only way to get the Carroll deal done.

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  • pardews plan B

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #24

    @check interesting comments. I could agree with that but at the same time bas dip in form coincided with a position change so its a difficult one to judge

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  • kev1664

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:02 AM

    Comment #25

    I think we’re in the box seat here. If we put in a £15million bid then we should just suck it and see. Have a word in Andys ear to flatly refuse to move to any other club, then Liverpool are backed into a corner. Spend £4.1 million on wages for a player not going to be used or recoup £15million for the striker and save £20 million in total over the season. We don’t need Carroll as much as Liverpool need to sell him. Even better for us if we do have a sell on clause and if he does go somewhere else we will still make money in him.
    Don’t however involve Ba in any deal!

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  • GeordieToon89

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:02 AM

    Comment #26

    Ba should NOT be used as a make weight for Carroll if thats the case then we’re going to need another striker afterwards still

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  • LooneyToon41

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #27

    @15 Widowmaker. The problem with Adebayor is wages, hence why he was loaned to Spurs in the first place. (Think Wayne Bridge too). He will be taking a huge paycut signing for Spurs (as City still paid a big chunk as part of the loan deal), and would need to take an even bigger wage cut to sign for NUFC. Start paying hin £80k a week, and you’ll soon have Cabaye/Tiote/Cisse/Ben Arfa knocking on the Chairman’s door. Plus, i just think he’s a bad long term buy anyway! 😉

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  • keeping the faith

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #28

    I would have understood a loan move for Carroll but to pay so much money on a player who has scored 6 goals in his last 42 games and 38 goals in 133. It is hardly inspiring is it and if we want to be better than Liverpool then why buy their rejects whilst they buy better players? The only reason Carroll plays for England is cos they’re sh!te. For the money he’ll cost there has to be better options

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  • r and r

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #29

    It’s official.The Mackems have bid 30M for Carroll and Henderson according to the Echo.
    Them Carroll will be sold to us for 29.9999999999M
    Perfect Mackem Trojan horse.

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  • ITUNDERASHELL

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #30

    If Caroll wants to play for the Toon he just needs to sit tight and refuse to sign for any other club.
    Caroll would then be showing us he a Toon fan first and a player second.
    Also accepting a pay cut will endear him to our fans.
    A front 3 of Ba, Cisse and Caroll would inu view be incredible.

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  • keeping the faith

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #31

    I would have understood a loan move for Carroll but to pay so much money on a player who has scored 6 goals in his last 42 games and 38 goals in 133. It is hardly inspiring is it and if we want to be better than Liverpool then why buy their rejects whilst they buy better players? The only reason Carroll plays for England is cos they’re s***e. For the money he’ll cost there has to be better options

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  • keeping the faith

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #32

    I would have understood a loan move for Carroll but to pay so much money on a player who has scored 6 goals in his last 42 games and 38 goals in 133. It is hardly inspiring is it and if we want to be better than Liverpool then why buy their rejects whilst they buy better players? The only reason Carroll plays for England is cos they’re rubbish. For the money he’ll cost there has to be better options

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  • LooneyToon41

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:07 AM

    Comment #33

    Re : Ba, i just don’t get the whole ‘dip in form’ argument. When we won 7 in a row last year and were challenging for Champs League, Ba played a vital role despite not scoring. The 4-3-3 formation worked a treat!

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  • traceline

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #34

    the prospect of 13m in cold cash now, or 15m over the next 3 years from A.N.Other club will make the binlickers blink. they’d be even dumber than I think they are to do otherwise.

    they’ll sell on ashley’s terms or he walks away – everyone knows this now – in cold business terms, the mans as ruthless as you get. He sold AC for a kings ransom – there’s no way he’s going to overspend to bring him back (esp when there’s cheaper / younger / faster out there)

    With AC pushing for a return home, Buck Rogers making it plain he’s unwanted, they have a 75-80k a week paperweight on their hands – no club wants that.

    this’ll get done.

    however, if it doesn’t and AC ends up @ west ham, the consolation is that liverpool will end up being further in the hole – no striker (that was just coming into form) and only 5m better off, waiting for the next 10-15 on the never never….

    NUFC win either way

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  • saxby 146

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #35

    Carroll
    Ba cisse
    cabaye tiote Ben Arfa
    santon Colo Douglas debuchy

    oh my god!! that is a team!! don’t see much hoofball in that!!

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  • ToonDarnSarf

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #36

    How many times did Ba hit the woodwork in the second half of the season? There’s no question that with a little bit of luck, he’d have got over 20 goals for the season. Even Shearer went without scoring for a few matches, and 20 goals in a season is great no matter when they are scored!

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  • danuneek

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #37

    Am I the only one who doesn’t want him back. Everyone seems to desperate for a transfer, any transfer regardless of who it is.

    If he moves back I don’t see where he’s going to get a game. He’s not in the same league as Cisse and Ba. And I dont want to start playing long balls again. Why do you think Liverpool want to get rid … they actually want to start playing footy.

    We should build on our 4-2-3-1 formation from last season and rotate Ba and Cisse up front. Spend the money on a left sided attacking player instead with a bit of pace. The Hoilett deal seems to have gone quiet.

    Carroll has blown it for me. He’s burn’t his bridges. Has everyone forgotten how he dived against us to get a player sent off.

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  • Shabilla1984

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #38

    I’d like to see Carroll – but not at the expense of Ba. Has anyone thought about Berbatov? £5m hes going for – I KNOW HES 31 – but that is chump change for a player of his calibre, would link up well with our current system and is a quality player – AND HE’S A NEWCASTLE FAN!??? he’s looking at clubs like West Ham?!

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  • danuneek

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #39

    saxby 146

    That is a terrible team. Three goal scorers … wheres the supply coming from? And we all know Ben Arfa is not the greatest at tracking back. That team lacks width as well. Cisse needs to be the focal point, playing off the shoulder and finishing those chances. He doesn’t want another 2 strikers in the mix. That is a paper team, that in reality would get hammered!

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  • paul_nufc_87

    Jul 18, 2012 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #40

    Anyone else think Cisse, Carroll and Ba could be the new Shearer, Ferdinand and Asprilla?

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