Negotiations For Carroll Now At A Delicate Stage


Alan Pardew is not part of the negotiations going on between Newcastle and Liverpool regarding Andy Carroll, and it looks like the deal is being done between the two Boards.

Andy Carroll – negotiations are delicate

What that means is that Derek LLambias and Mike Ashley will be involved in trying to reach some agreement, after Alan Pardew has made it very clear that he wants the 23 year-old back on Tyneside.

Alan is quoted in the Hartlepool Mail, but he’s repeated what he has said in the past in large part, and we weren’t sure whether these were updated comments by Alan.

Alan says the deal will be carried out at Boardroom level, and he also thinks Andy will join another club this summer, because the writing for him is on the wall, because of the way new manager Brendan Rodgers will have Liverpool play this season, with the ball on the ground.

This is what Alan told the Hartlepool  Mail:

“It’s a delicate situation.” “It’s a transfer that I’m not particularly involved in, and it’ll stay like that.”  “I think that it’ll still be a board level thing between Liverpool and whichever club takes Andy.”

“I think that the writing is on the wall that Andy will go out of there in the summer. We’re just keeping a close eye on it.”

Alan Shearer came out on Tuesday in the Sun and had this to say about the situation:

“Andy is an England centre-forward and I wouldn’t say he has been a flop at Liverpool by any means.”  “Yes, it took him a bit of time to settle there but he finished the season strongly and considering he only started one game at the Euros, I thought he did well.”

“Make no mistake, he is a very good footballer. I can fully understand why Newcastle are in for him and I think it would be a great move.”  “When he was there before he benefited from the fact that the team was always working to get him the ball – and he thrived on that.”

“That hasn’t always been the case at Liverpool and perhaps at times he suffered.”  “There is an old saying that you should never go back but, in Andy’s case, I don’t think it would be a mistake at all.”  

“He was hero-worshiped by the crowd first time around and they would warm to him again. Andy loved playing there and whatever the fans felt about him leaving to join Liverpool, I’m sure he would win them over quickly.”

Well  Pardew agreed with those points made by the Newcastle legend, and Alan  continued:

“I thought that Alan Shearer’s comments were correct.”  “‘There aren’t many clubs that Andy Carroll can go to. He needs to be a success this time.”

There’s not too much new news in these comments by Alan Pardew, but he did say yesterday that Newcastle were in negotiations for three players, and it looks like Andy is one of them, but it seems it has to be a straight deal and there will be no loan deal.

Whether Liverpool like it or not (they don’t), Newcastle seem to be in the driver’s seat on this one.

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33 comments so far

  • dmac

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:16 AM

    Comment #1

    Wont happen, its too public. Its not how we do business anymore.

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:24 AM

    Comment #2

    @dmac

    I’m not sure … the loan offer was made some days before it finally leaked out.

    I’m quietly hopeful … we need two strikers.
    Andy and good young prospect would make for a very good window.

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  • hdavid23

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:25 AM

    Comment #3

    i think that the 25% sell-on is true, and thats why were doing it in public.. coz we either get him for cheap, or we push up his price, someone buys him for much more, and we get a lot of money again

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  • ROSHAN MAGPIE

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:25 AM

    Comment #4

    can’t trust on news where we are said to be involved cause we don’t really go public on transfer negotiations

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  • mattyNUFC

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:26 AM

    Comment #5

    don’t think it’s happening…

    the publicity on top of AP’s admitted removal from the deal…..smells of some type of ploy. just what i’m not sure but this money can be spent in so many other better places

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  • ash1001

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:29 AM

    Comment #6

    Newcastle are big news as far as the press are concerned now, and there’s nothing much bigger than Andy possibly coming back home, so the press will make comment whether the club want it or not.
    Most of Newcastle’s supposed other transfer dealing all appear to be public knowledge, so its a case of wait and see.
    We have lost out on De Jong, lets hope Andy and the others come off

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  • Markaccus

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:34 AM

    Comment #7

    @matty. Yes there are other good players to spend this cash on. However, I’d still not be disappointed if we ended up spending it on carroll. Targets are starting to thin out, hoilett to qpr, de jong to munchingchewbacca. If a player wants to come, I’d say grab them with both hands.

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  • Toon_boy89

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:36 AM

    Comment #8

    Southampton look like they are gonna be signing jermain lens 3.5 mil ssn weren’t we interested in him not so long ago ? They’ve signed clyne aswell

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  • NUFCWill1986

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:39 AM

    Comment #9

    All the people talking about not trusting how legitimate this is, Pardew has confirmed the talks himself lol

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  • Tsunki

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:40 AM

    Comment #10

    Still think ‘Confusion’ should be in the title somewhere ED!

    ‘Negotiations for Carroll now at Confusingly Delicate Stage’

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  • Valci

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:41 AM

    Comment #11

    And….we’re back to Carroll. Hah. There seems to be a piece on him every day. It’s getting a little tiresome. I would love him back as i think he is still developing and getting his game sorted out. Under good management i predict that he will be top class at around 25-26 years of age. This would be a good opportunity to tie him down as i think he would hesitate to leave a second time.

    Rodgers made a mess of things to be honest. His initial stance put L’pool in a weak bargaining position. The PR stunt they pulled the other day (when Rodgers mentioned AC’s 35mil transfer fee repeatedly) was an attempt to strengthen that position and justify as high an asking price as they can get away with. Too late though…the cat was already out of the bag…

    Having said that…right now i think it’s all a question of money. Pardew realizes that which is why he says the transfer proceedings are out of his hands although i believe he rates Andy judging by his statements.

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  • Markaccus

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:43 AM

    Comment #12
  • Valci

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:44 AM

    Comment #13

    Jesper – Regarding your reply on the previous thread… I agree though ive received my fair share of criticism for saying that around here…

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  • jesperfuglsang

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:45 AM

    Comment #14

    Ed in all fairness that doesn’t mean we are discussing a transfer with the bindippers; that could be any other club.

    And if Carroll doesn’t fit into BR’s Liverpool how does he fit into AP’s Newcastle? 😉

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  • Valci

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:49 AM

    Comment #15

    Jesper – personally i think he fits better in AP’s Newcastle… we dont play tika-taka type football although some people around here seem to think we do…the numbers say otherwise. Also, i’d rather we try to emulate Real’s mixed strategy (combining the old with the new) then go for a Barca type system that is predictable and doesnt always provide results (for instance when Messi and Xavi were heavily covered by opponents the system more or less broke down).

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  • jesperfuglsang

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:50 AM

    Comment #16

    @Valcu

    welcomw to the club mate 😉

    I took my fair share of beating in the old days 😉 hehe

    To be fair it is not the regular who are worse; it is the part time bloggers and the name changers 🙂

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  • pieceofpapiss

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:51 AM

    Comment #17

    NUFCWill @9

    Its laughable pal.
    All these people spouting “its not happening” yet AP has said they are working on a deal. Idiots.

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  • Jamesthefirst

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:52 AM

    Comment #18

    Ashley is probably just trying to push the price up, so somebody pays £20 million for AC and we can have the 25% sell on fee for it.

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  • paul6257

    Jul 20, 2012 at 8:54 AM

    Comment #19

    I cant see this one coming off. It’s great to see MA and DL taking a stance on what they believe a player is worth in both value as acommodity and salary. My concern regarding this particular transfer is in the manner of the previous deal. Liverpool can’t get a win out of this deal, not whilst dealing with us anyway. If all reports are correct i.e. we get 25% of any future deals, which im a bit sceptical about, 25% is an immense payout, plus the way MA and DL bullied the deal… £35mil upfront, 25% of next deal, then charing them £12000 interest, dont get me wrong a fantastic bit of business but getting to back to my point, having spent time in the states and working with several americans, they don’t like to lose, they especially don’t like to lose face. To sell AC back to us at lets say for aruements sake £16mil we still only pay £12mil and thats a huge slap in the face to the american owners. The only way a deal can be reached, imo is if LFC can been seen to come out of this with something beneficial to them, Ba for example. Hope im wrong

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  • jesperfuglsang

    Jul 20, 2012 at 9:02 AM

    Comment #20

    @Valci

    I don’t think we play tika-taka either; probably a bit more like the German Nationalteam or at least we try when we deploy our 4-3-3.

    We just seem to be best when we are dinamic and Carroll is nothing but dinamic 😉 and he seems to be best when he has someone next to him or just behind him.

    He won’t be our main striker that is why I don’t think he fits in. I liked him, but think we have moved on.

    Carroll is very British and I think we are more continental 😉

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  • jesperfuglsang

    Jul 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM

    Comment #21

    * sorry should have said Valci 🙂

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  • Valci

    Jul 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM

    Comment #22

    jesper – reply on next thread 😛

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  • Valci

    Jul 20, 2012 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #23

    and no worries about the name 😉

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  • rsa_magpie

    Jul 20, 2012 at 9:26 AM

    Comment #24

    I think the whole thing about AC returning home and all has become a little romanticised. In footballing terms we could much rather spend those millions on a younger player that isn’t as over priced as carroll is at the moment and in my opinion we need a faster striker anyway that can play alongside ba or cisse in a 4 3 3. At the moment we gonna pay 15 mil for someone that’s gonna get the occasional cup game or hand demba a lucozade when he comes of after 89 mins. Unless ba leaves of course

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  • naptoon

    Jul 20, 2012 at 9:36 AM

    Comment #25

    i think we went public to test fan reaction and so that andy could force a move through to us if liverpool sold him hence his agents comments regarding loan move the other day. personally i believe both party’s know theyve made mistakes (nufc and ac) in the previous deal and are tryin to rectify them and i would love him back #comehomeandy

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  • Sav

    Jul 20, 2012 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #26

    I wonder if Llambias is having second thoughts as we enter ‘delicate negotiations’ for shooting his mouth off about charging Liverpool interest on the delay in payment and laughing at the way he and Mashley stiffed the scousers?

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  • toonincheek

    Jul 20, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    Comment #27

    I’d be happy to see AC back – it adds to our options – but he is only just value for (our) money at £13 million.
    I certainly wouldn’t value him at more than that.

    He was worth £15 million less than Torres before – that’s still the case, but I wouldn’t value Torres at much over £25 milliopn.

    Plus – if AC comes back – he would surely be here for life.

    And what wages would he accept?
    A cut, for sure, but down to the £45,000 (50 max) per week to fit in with our other players? I doubt it.

    At £80,000 per week, ‘Pool are currently liable for £4 million per year for another 4 years.
    They must see that saving to them as part of the attraction of selling.

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  • John PK

    Jul 20, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    Comment #28

    Think what the board are really doing here is using Andy Carroll and Liverpool as a smoke screen for a real signing where looking at (who that is i dont know). We have such an amazing scout that we need to protect him from other clubs looking at us and probably the best way to do that is use a high profile player and club to take attention away from what we are really doing… Mike Ashley & Co may not be the best pr people in the world but when it comes down to business i think they may be very clever.. Time will tell but thats my pennies worth anyway ..

    Come on the TOON

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  • Lucasd10

    Jul 20, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    Comment #29

    Shoul go for gameiro who would be cheaper at about 8million saving us money & pherhaps getting another midfielder like sissokho & that lad on trial along with centre back & debuchy

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  • ChrisUk

    Jul 20, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    Comment #30

    Arsenal have apparently had bids of 15 mil for RVP and have stated they will look at bids around 20 mil. Which is similar to what Liverpool are apparently saying about Carroll, but is Carroll really worth the same money as RVP? i dont think so…

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  • Les Grossman

    Jul 20, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    Comment #31

    Lucas
    For gameiro see guivarch!
    No thanks!! Not only that he knocked us back the first time of asking as we weren’t big enough!!!!

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  • Davies

    Jul 20, 2012 at 7:49 PM

    Comment #32

    Without bending over to sentiment the way I did last time I commented on Carroll coming back, I don’t really think he’d slot back in as easily as some do. I’m not sure he’d be happy playing third fiddle to Ba and Cisse, either. If we lost Ba, maybe he’d be an option, but we’d still need another striker. I hope we don’t lose Ba.

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Jul 21, 2012 at 8:33 AM

    Comment #33

    Ba is staying! I,d put money on it!

    Cisse is now our no 9 ! If Carroll did come back, i can,t see how they can take the no9 off Cisse and give it back to Carroll!
    I don,t think that would be honest either!

    Can,t really see him coming back anyway even if he does want to!

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