West Ham’s £17M Bid Makes It Hard For Newcastle To Land Carroll


We had said earlier this week that it would take a bit of a daft bid, for a club to stop Andy Carroll coming back to where he wants to be – back at Newcastle United.

Sam Allardyce – willing to pay big money to land Andy Carroll

Liverpool were said to want £20M for Andy, with Newcastle willing to bring him on a season long loan deal and then make the deal permanent with a £13M offer.

But the news last night was that West Ham have gone on with a bigger bid of £17M to land the big striker, and that is far outbidding Newcastle for the Geordie boy.

It’s not unlike what Newcastle did when they signed Michael Owen back in the summer of 2005, when Liverpool, his former club bid around £9M for Michael, to take him back after only one year at Real Madrid, but Newcastle offered Real Madrid £17M, and they accepted that – and Liverpool and Rafa Benitez were frozen out of the deal.

Of course Michael Owen to Newcastle turned out to be one of the worst deals in Premier League history in retrospect with Michael always injured and he played only 79 times for the Magpies with 30 goals and was paid 110K/week in the process.

Sources cl0se to Andy have said he is very keen to come back home, but if it means sitting on the bench at Liverpool he would obviously be willing to move elsewhere – and maybe to West Ham.

But that will be step down for Andy if indeed West Ham are successful  and Liverpool accept the bid, and to be fair West Ham will play to Andy’s strengths – which Liverpool never did, even though they paid a whopping £35M for him.

This would be West Ham’s biggest ever payout for any player, beating the £9m they paid for striker Savio Nsereko just three years ago, and where are they getting the money from, after being in the second  division last season – we have no idea.

The advantage Newcastle have is that the will the transfer fee in cash up front, and therefore it could be a better deal for Liverpool even if it’s not as much as West Ham bid for the player, with the transfer fees normally paid out over a number of years.

Carroll is still on tour with Liverpool in America, and we know that former Newcastle captain Kevin Nolan is urging Andy to move to London and join up with him again, but we could also see other clubs also now come in for Carroll.

But Newcastle are not like they were back in 2005 , when Freddy Shepherd was in control and regularly overpaid for players in transfer fees and wages, and will not pay over the odds for players, and this summer that’s causing all our  deals for the top targets to be delayed somewhat.

We don’t think Newcastle will be willing to pay out £17M for Andy, even though the word is that he is desperate to return to his home town club, and Newcastle owner Mike Ashley is now in charge of the negotiations with Liverpool.

But the other problem, which it seems West Ham would be willing to meet, is Andy’s £80K/week wages, and Newcastle would offer him maybe £50K/week on a permanent deal.

It still surprises us that clubs are willing to pay huge sums of money on transfer fees, money they simply don’t have – and the sooner the Financial Fair Play Rules of UEFA come into effect,  the better  it will be for the financial health of some  British clubs.

We have seen what’s happened to Glasgow Rangers, and that club has been completely and utterly decimated by their schoolboy financial management over the last several years – apologies to schoolboys everywhere. 😀

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73 comments so far

  • spitfire_

    Jul 27, 2012 at 8:45 AM

    Comment #1

    17 mill… thanks but no thanks. I prefer Remy for 15 mill and if MA and DL have some kind of brain they should do the same.

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  • outsidethebox

    Jul 27, 2012 at 8:47 AM

    Comment #2

    dont want ac at that price ..go all out for loic

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  • ~Debuchery on a Dreamboat~

    Jul 27, 2012 at 8:47 AM

    Comment #3

    Disagree with this title. If anything West Ham will be doing Newcastle a favor.

    They sign a flop, and we make money.

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  • Valci

    Jul 27, 2012 at 8:52 AM

    Comment #4

    Spitfire – see thats exactly the kind of statement that i consider to be unwarranted trash. When you become a professional in the football industry and people actually pay any attention to your “vast footballing knowledge” (lol) then you can make such definitive statements. As it is i would rather trust AP, MA, GC and DL then what anyone on this blog has to say.

    Debuchery & Graeme – i havent got an issue with your opinions. That i dont agree is another matter. What bother me is when people try to pass off their opinion as fact as with Spitfire above.We are all entitled to our own opinion but assuming you are right when you have no knowledge of footy other then what you see on the tele is naive at best.

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  • Spreadthetoon

    Jul 27, 2012 at 8:53 AM

    Comment #5

    Move on and get Remy. When r we gonna land a signing this window?

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Jul 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM

    Comment #6

    Let him go to West Ham!

    Agree with you totally Spitfire, we made our bid and that is that!

    Liverfool were screwed by us last year but i hope we don,t make the same mistake by paying 20M to bring him back !

    Prefer Remy or Klaas Jan Huntellaar !

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jul 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM

    Comment #7

    Go on hammers do it. It would suit their s..t system with Allardyce and hopefully we’ll profit again from a 25% sell on clause if and how it exists.

    Some mistakes were built to last (ie by Liverpool) and I wouldn’t sleep at night if we paid anywhere near 17M for Carroll when there is way better out there for that money. People should take off their geordie glasses and see that.

    Cue the Valcis etc and ‘ Carrol is the best thing since sliced bread” brigade. It’s funny how only Allardyce who is already unliked by many hammers fans for his non – football is the only one in for him.

    Gutted we’ve missed out on M’Biwa for an alleged 5.1M, but great to see Abeid, Tavernier and Adam Campbell progressing so well and being so highly thought of – exciting times ahead with our youth hopefully.

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  • WWYCD

    Jul 27, 2012 at 8:55 AM

    Comment #8

    Realistically do we need a 10mill+ striker? We have Cisse, Ba and Shola all first teamers and Rangers future doesn’t seem to be decided so I really doubt unless we lose Cisse/Ba we will be looking at adding Carrol or Remy unless tubs is having his tea spiked

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  • Graeme

    Jul 27, 2012 at 8:56 AM

    Comment #10

    Carroll to WHU would be the biggest risk in his career!! There is a great chance they will go straight back down so there would be a release clause to cover the eventuality. Andy could find himself deep in the mire looking for a third club in 9 months!!

    Luckypoo couldn’t care less; they want maximum recovery of their overspend and will sell to highest bidder to try and avoid humiliation over the deal. Selling AC back to NUFC will only rub salt into the raw wound they have – there is no doubt our fans would remind them of their folly at least twice a year – for ever lol.

    I cant see us paying anything over £15 million and if it was a choice of Andy Carroll or Loic Remy for the same money, then personally, I would go for Remy who offers us a lot more in combination with the two main strikers we already have.

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  • Valci

    Jul 27, 2012 at 8:57 AM

    Comment #11

    Rotonda – hehe challenge accepted. Since you dont seem to have read my reply from yesterday (a couple of threads back) here is a repost.

    Rotonda – i’m not gonna condone name calling and such…and it’s not about being negative either really. But when you have a number of people that come out and tell you that some of your arguments are just not pertinent that has to tell you something.

    We played 4-3-3 for a few games but i (like many others) dont expect we will use that system in all our games especially against the stronger teams in the division. So don’t kid yourself into thinking thats what were gonna pay every game. And even in the ones we do AC would not be a bad option for the central forward role.

    As for only Fat Sam wanting Carroll…you must be misinformed. There have been a few cubs linked to him though many of them pulled away because of the price which is a different issue. We have been after him too so that proves your point doubly wrong and Pardew has said that if AC is available we have to be interested so its obvious he rates the player. So your point is moot.

    What irritates some people around here is that you use straw-man logic to try and make your point. If you do this intentionally or not i do not know but here’s the definition:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

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  • eastend toon

    Jul 27, 2012 at 8:57 AM

    Comment #12

    valci, where was spitfire stating “fact”???

    “I prefer Remy for 15 mill and if MA and DL have some kind of brain they should do the same.”

    that is clearly a personal opinion… its made obvious as such by starting with the words… “I prefer”

    did you get out of bed the wrong side or something fella??

    just in case you were struggling…. thats a question not a statement of fact 😉

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  • theystillletmevote

    Jul 27, 2012 at 8:57 AM

    Comment #13

    It doesn’t help…

    …is Sam making mischief/life difficult for Mike Ashley because MA dismissed him…who knows…

    However IF it is £2 million up front and the balance paid in installments as opposed to Mike’s “here’s your cash…give us the player” approach that we are told no other clubs do then we still have a strong hand…

    time will tell if it’s a WINNING hand…

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  • Benton Toon Exile

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM

    Comment #15

    West Ham will pay the fee over the life of his contract so will be rejected. Plus Liverpool will need to settle their debt to Newcastle and pay the sell on clause, so they will actually lose money on that deal in the short term.

    Newcastle are offering money upfront so are still the most likely.

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  • jayphoto

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:01 AM

    Comment #16

    Our stand out player for toon last night was the centreback – Satka! Looked immense actually! Behind him, woodman (gk) looked cool and assured and Armstrong played very well (in mind that he’s only 15, might be a really good prospect)
    Campbell was starved of service, his passing was poor too, but he’s got a shearer feel in his hold up play and movement and mannerisms! Rolando Arrons looked poor, ran into trouble alot, didn’t look that pacey but both teams looked fatigued, could be a case of fitness and physique that will come with age! None of the team look capable of first team appearances for a few years yet but satka, Armstrong, Campbell and possibly smith might have what it takes to make it!

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  • Valci

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:02 AM

    Comment #17

    eastend – the second part of the sentence is exactly that. He assumes his opinion is in fact a definitive truth when he says: “and if MA and DL have some kind of brain they should do the same.” – at least that is my interpretation. If he would have stopped after the first part of the sentence then i wouldnt have had an issue with it.

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  • WWYCD

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:02 AM

    Comment #18

    We’ve been ‘close’ to signing Debuchy since before the Euros haven’t we?

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:02 AM

    Comment #19

    @4:

    Can you ellaberate! In what way has wor Spitfire offended you!
    He is only expressing an opinion to which he is entitled !
    I am no Carroll fan, but still was,nt pleased when he left, but the money from the transfer has gone a long way to building up the squad we have now!

    If your not used to most of the, quote ” unwarranted trash”! which appears on here most days, most of it opinions which people on here have, then you will be making such statements every day!
    Lay-off the Spit !

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  • spitfire_

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:02 AM

    Comment #20

    Valci, I bow to your superior expertise. I thank god that I don’t care about your opinion.

    I will share my opinion as I want. If you have some problem with that keep it for you and don’t share it. Thank you.

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  • ~Debuchery on a Dreamboat~

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:03 AM

    Comment #21

    @Valci

    Am I assuming that I am right? No. I’m just stating my opinion and my views on the subject. If people are taking what I say as fact then that is their issue. I am of the opinion that Carroll should not come back and therefore will argue to support my views. If Carroll is resigned, and proves me wrong, then I’ll eat my humble pie but Until that fantasy occurs, I shall continue to type my OPINION’s

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  • pizzicatochan

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:05 AM

    Comment #22

    Well, if WH is willing to pay that much money, we get the benefit too since we are supposed to get part of the money after Carroll’s sold to somewhere else. Got the extra millions and get Remy!

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:06 AM

    Comment #23

    Valci

    Enough with the insults already. People being in power or in influential managerial positions doesn’t make them right all the time. Just look at politicians. If you went by that logic, we could say what has Pardew actually ever won, even though we are happy to have him as a manager.

    If you stopped people having opinions that are different to yours, this blog would close very quickly.

    You have your ideas and we have ours. It doesn’t make you right and it doesn’t make us wrong, so please cut out all the patronising and condescending you know best bull and talking down to people who have valid opinions and have watched football for many many years and are quite knowledgeable.

    The fact that nobody else is in for carroll except allardyce, does that make Fergie, mancini, wenger et all bad managers too then? I suspect they’ve seen the 6 goals in 42 games at a previously regular top 4 club and thought no thanks, not for the money and not for the wages.

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  • rich_toonfan

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:08 AM

    Comment #24

    This story doesn’t rule us out of the running.

    West game could bid 200millipn but if Carroll says I won’t sign for any other club than Newcastle it puts Liverpool in a situation where they have to accept our bid or keep him on his 80k a week.

    I like Carroll and think his technical ability is under rated but I’m sure we could sigma better forward for 17 million

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  • strean

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:08 AM

    Comment #25

    One the I do know is Andy doesn’t want to go to west ham and he hates it at Liverpool

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  • Valci

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:09 AM

    Comment #26

    Let me make this abundantly clear. The fact that i rate a player doesnt make him good and the fact that you (any of you) don’t rate a player doesnt make him bad. I for one prefer to defer to the wisdom of people that actually know their footy (NUFC staff in this case). And just to be clear…i dont think AC is worth 20mil at this point but neither to i think Remy is worth 15mil. However, it’s up to our staff to decide (if there is indeed a decision between the two) which player has a better chance of being a hit at NUFC or which player’s potential contribution to the team would be bigger if you will…

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  • Cissefire12

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:09 AM

    Comment #27

    Well if the sell-on clause is true then that will take the AC transfer fee to us up to £39m. What a bit of business that is!!

    On the other hand if this sell-on clause is true then we only need to pay liverpool £13m to match West Ham’s offer. I think AC is worth that sort of money if we can get him

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  • ~Debuchery on a Dreamboat~

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:10 AM

    Comment #28

    On top of that, this is a blog. the vast majority of the comments here revolving around football, especially who should come in and who shouldn’t is OPINION based.

    That’s common sense

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:10 AM

    Comment #29

    My My! 35 days!

    TICK……..TICK………TICK………TICK !

    Anyone travelling across to Den Haag for the friendly there on 4th August?

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  • WWYCD

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:10 AM

    Comment #30

    Everyone worrying about the price tags of players we are linked with do u know the full extent of NUFCs balance sheet/profit and loss accounts? Or the transfer budget, wage budget or future plans for the squad?

    Relax am pretty sure MA won’t spend money that isn’t there or on players that aren’t worth it

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  • Graeme

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #31

    Valci @ 4.

    My opinion is exactly that – an opinion!!

    In no way do I assume it is right – its not my money, I aint spending it and I know as much as you on whether any of it is any more than fantasy fiction.

    My knowledge of football has been gained supporting NUFC for over 50 years backed up by watching and playing in many different countries over the same period of time. In the end though, it is only one opinion amongst hundreds of others.

    There is no more “fact” than in your own opinion!!

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  • mushy

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #32

    This supposed 25% sell-on clause:

    So if Liverpool sell AC for £17mill we get £4m+ NAH! surely not.

    Even in my wildest dream I can’t believe anybody daft enough to agree to giving up an additional 25% when suffering an enormous and humiliating financial loss. Maybe 25% of any profit??

    … then again, we are talking Ashley versus Liverpool.

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  • zimtoon

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:12 AM

    Comment #33

    Can’t believe real madrid are prepared to sell Kaka for as low as 12mil

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  • Whoarya.com

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #34

    If these bid figures are true and we also have a 25% sell on bonus Then our bid is better

    A lot of ifs though?

    Great business deal isn’t it IE sell Carroll to Liverpool for 35M and use the money to buy Ba Cisse Cabeye Obertan Marveaux and Carroll LOL

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  • zimtoon

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:14 AM

    Comment #35

    Cant believe real madrid are prepared to sell Kaka for as low as 12 mil

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:14 AM

    Comment #36

    Valci

    Back at yer fella. Maybe you should see these all comments and see how pertinent they are to you.

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #37

    The Spuds will probably sign Kaka then ?

    Or Fulham!

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #38

    mushy

    as i said some mistakes were built to last Ashley is a master businessman.

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  • outsidethebox

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #39

    West Ham’s £17M Bid Makes It Hard For Newcastle To Land Carroll……
    agree 100 %
    pool will get ac wages for a year ….whu will have clause relating to survival in division …
    no brainer …

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  • Valci

    Jul 27, 2012 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #40

    Rotonda – see theres that straw-man logic again. You purposely disregard any team AC has been linked with during this transfer season and also ignore the fact that NUFC has made a bid for him and then ask why Fat Sam is the only one in for him?…How is he the only one in for him when we are obviously in for him?

    Graeme – i agree. I explained what bothered me and it was not your opinion and not your comment in fact. I just don’t see how saying something like “this is my opinion and if MA and DL have any brains they will have the same opinion” is not arrogant.

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