Newcastle Willing To Bid £18M For Carroll – That’s Too Much


The news on Andy Carroll today, that Newcastle are willing to offer Liverpool £18M for the 23 year-old Geordie striker, is a little hard to believe.

Andy Carroll – thinks – how can I get back to Newcastle?

We like Andy,  and believe he’s as good a player as when he left Newcastle eighteen months ago, but we should not pay that much – if that what it takes to bring him back to Newcastle.

And some news over the weekend that Newcastle would only sign the lad if Demba Ba leaves before his release clause runs out on Wednesday is simply untrue, and Newcastle still need to bring in another striker this summer.

Our choice would be 20 year-old Swedish striker John Guidetti of Manchester City, if Newcastle can get him for around £7M.

Newcastle owner Mike Ashley is closely monitoring Carroll’s situation at Liverpool, and the news today is that sources at the club have said Newcastle are willing to bid up to £18m to bring the big lad home.

But Andy Carroll isn’t worth that much.

West Ham are trying hard to sign the striker, even though Carroll’s sources let it be known one criteria he has,  if he joins a club on loan, is they are in European competition, and of course Andy would get that at Liverpool if he stays, so it seems a fair enough request.

It also very conveniently knocks West Ham out of the reckoning, but sources close to Andy have made it clear he wants to come home to Newcastle.

West Ham are said to have bid £2M for a loan deal for Andy next season, with the option of then buying him for £14M next May, and if that’s what it takes to bring Andy home, Newcastle should let West Ham have him.

It would be good to get Carroll back to Tyneside for next season that’s true, but not if we have to pay over the odds for him.

We don’t want to make the same mistake Liverpool made eighteen months ago, and over pay for him, and there are some decent young strikers out there who could be brought in for less than half of what Andy would cost – and that could be the better option.

That’s what we think – what do you think about this?

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59 comments so far

  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jul 30, 2012 at 9:43 AM

    Comment #1

    Get him bought!!

    Bring Andy home.

    HWTL

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  • Spreadthetoon

    Jul 30, 2012 at 9:44 AM

    Comment #2

    Leave the AC issue alone. 18M is way too much and Guidetti looks like a better deal, more strategic buy.

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  • arroeben

    Jul 30, 2012 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #3

    No way no way!! Dont waste 18m on this guy. If he comes for around 10-12m then ok.

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  • fungus44

    Jul 30, 2012 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #4

    Ashley,s money let him do what he wants if he willing to pay that then let him,must think a lot of the lad to do it if true

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  • martoon

    Jul 30, 2012 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #5

    Agreed he is not worth £18m BUT we would be buying him back for half of what we sold him for and using the stupid money that the bin dippers paid us last year. I must admit I’m not sure about this.

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  • pengy

    Jul 30, 2012 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #6

    No thanks, we can get better strikers for less, i dont want him back at all.

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  • yankazaz

    Jul 30, 2012 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #7

    With 18M we could buy all Debuchy, Anita and Guidetti. So I dont think we silly enough to buy him back at that price…

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  • Spreadthetoon

    Jul 30, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    Comment #8

    At that price we could sign Remy with money left to spare! Possibly sign another…FACT! HWTL

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jul 30, 2012 at 9:51 AM

    Comment #9

    @fungus44
    Quite right.

    All the other posters using “we”.
    It’s not your money!!

    If Mike Ashley wants to buy Andy Carroll for 18M … thanks Mike.

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  • AMEOBI

    Jul 30, 2012 at 9:53 AM

    Comment #10

    I personally don’t see what’s so good about Anita, would only push our youngsters back like Abeid, Bigi, Vuckic, no need in signing him.
    On Carroll I’d be delighted to have back, not bothered how much, not my cash they’re spending!

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  • havanaclue

    Jul 30, 2012 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #11

    Bring him back, as in reality all we will have done is been given 17 million quid off Liverpool to let them loan AC for 18 months …. nbot bad business!!

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  • Graeme

    Jul 30, 2012 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #12

    If our owner is willing to spend £18 million on Andy then he needs his bumps reading. There are so many players that he could buy for that sort of money that would add so much more to the team than AC in terms of quality and strength in depth.

    That could give 2 or 3 good players in positions we need strengthening. He could have Anita and Douglas with change left over.

    I just cant see the AC transfer to NUFC going through at more than £13 – 15 Million; its probably Mike enjoying taking the piss out of the bindippers!!

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  • Dagga

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #13

    Is the £18 million a net outlay or is it before any sell on clause is invoked? An £18 million fee could easily equate to an actual payment of only £13 – 14million

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  • Novocastrian66

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:02 AM

    Comment #14

    I was gutted when the big fella left. I would like to see him back. At what cost? I know it will be less than what we sold him for, therefore it would be good business.
    I don’t know enough about these other players mentioned to judge who would be a better buy, I do know Andy is a good player regardless what happened at Liverpool.

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  • kev

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #15

    Stupid sum + stupid salary, no chance, he is not world class by any standard, 12M max or move on.

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  • rich_toonfan

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #16

    It’s always odd saying why get carroll for 18mil when we can get x, y and z for that money.

    Nobody knows how much players values are, the media just write anything so it’s speculation.

    And its more than just transfer fee’s involved, you got to take into account wages. (every 10,000 a week is an extra half million a year, never mind paying employers contributions to tax as well), then you have loyalty fees, signing on fees, agent fees, a lot to take into account.

    There is no point worrying about finances from our point of view, the club will spend whatever they like and see fit.

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  • _Hercules_

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #17

    John Guidetti would be a big gamble right now.

    He’s still not 100% well from his mysterious illness from last season. He’s getting better by the day, but he is missing a lot of strength in his legs since the virus he caught made it impossible for him to train.

    There have even been questions about if he ever can become 100% fit again. But then again, that’s from the Swedish media, so don’t really know what too make of it.

    He has loads of potential, but he also has a HUGHE attitude problem. So don’t really sure if I agree with your wishes regarding John. He has been quoted saying he will not sit on the bench no more and demands to be a first eleven player.

    He also said he favor a move to Italy.

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  • dmac

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #18

    I rate Andy Carroll and jumped to his defence against mates that are scousers slagging him off. But strangely dont want him back. I think for the money we have proven we can get better players.

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  • Phil K

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #19

    I get the distinct feeling it’s the press trying to save face for Liverpool. You know how biased the b*stards are.

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  • Cool Hand Luke

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #20

    Hatems better, Mike Ashley has very publicly stated that he wont pump his own money into the club. That means only sponsorship/tv rights money and revenue from shirt/ticket sales will be spent on new players, so it is actually partially our money..

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  • rich_toonfan

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:08 AM

    Comment #21

    Do people not think that if Guidetti was a better player, available for much less and interested in joining the club we would bid for him?

    But the argument that we sold him for 35mil so anything less is good business if rubbish.

    If you sold a car worth 10,000 for 35,000 you wouldnt buy it back or 20,000….you would buy something better for 20,000.

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  • valle

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #22

    Its Mike Ashleys’s money is it? So you think whatever he use to buy players will come out of his personal bank account? Dont be daft… Its the clubs money, and MA is trusted to use it wisely, which he has done so far to be fair, which is why I call bllox to this story.

    Oh… And Hatem aint better than Messi neither.

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  • rich_toonfan

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #23

    Valle

    Ashley owns the club so therefore it is his money.

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  • NotAGhostToon

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #24

    I’m convinced that if we do spend this much on him, then we’ve got a clause to get some of that money, and maybe Mike is thinking of shirt sales and the like, and even the possibility that he could sell Carroll again the future for an inflated price.
    The other thing that could be happening and from what Pardew said i wouldn’t rule this out…he said “of course we should be involved in this” or something along those lines which could be read as “we get a percentage of the sell on fee so we’re driving the price up in the hope we get a bigger wedge” Either way i’m happy if we do, happy if we don’t but I am more down the side that we don’t need to spend that much on any striker, let alone Caroll.

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  • AMEOBI

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #25

    Valle,

    What’s wrong with you man? Fk off somewhere else

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  • Papiss_Myself

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #26

    Agreed.

    Just buy the bloke. He wants to play for us and he was great when we had him.

    Don’t forget he has been training with Liverfool so will also have inside info on the players and tactics.

    £18 million is a bargain if you consider we have made a £17 million profit out of him in 18 months. But then it does depend on his wage though. If we can shift Xisco and his £70k a week wages then I suppose we can justify paying him a high salary too.

    Get him in, give Pardew attacking options and lets win the league…….

    Again, I have been too mature so below I am bringing balanace back

    Carroll to score a hatrick against Liverpool would make me ejaculate all over the place like a fountain of joy.

    Ah thank you

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  • BenbulbenMag

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #27

    £15m is the limit that I would be happy to pay for him. I think he would be a good buy for us and add to our game options (as already documented;) but I feel that 18 is too much. If we didn’t have the ACON (again!) this year I would nearly say lets bide our time (provided Demba is still here after wednesday.

    Unfortunately though, we do have the ACON and we need to get another striker through the doors especially with the added exertions (and potential injuries) of a European Campaign

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  • Not A Happy Bunny

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #28

    Bringing Andy back for £18m is a great piece of business considering Pool spent almost twice as much. Decent strikers cost a lot of money and the lad is just 23. Forget about super young strikers on the books at Man City – that’s where they will stay.

    Only a mug would suggest a big strapping Geordie- and England internationalist to boot – isn’t worth the money.

    Bring him home, Mike

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  • LooneyToon41

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:14 AM

    Comment #29

    Lets not forget that MA is 100% determined to make NUFC financially self sufficient, not only so he doesn’t have to pump ‘even’ more money into the club, but also because of the UEFA financial fair play ramifications. In other words, we have a budget (transfer + wages) and we need to stick to it. Nobody knows what that budget is, but i only hope that if we do spend £18m, it doesn’t stop us having funds available for January/next summer. We can get Debuchy,Anita and Douglas for about £18m!

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  • Novocastrian66

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #30

    If he does sign for us we will never know the actual transfer fee paid. Everone keep saying they would not have him back at X price, but they would at Y. Forget about the fee, the question should be; would you have him back? Yes or no.
    I don’t remember too many people being happy about him leaving even at £35m. Now people are saying they wouldn’t have him back at half the fee.

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  • LooneyToon41

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #31

    @28 Not a happy Bunny! – No! The money we got for Carroll is irrelevant, to the business decisions we are making today. That deal is gone/sunk/history! It’s only a profit on paper. If you had £18m to spend on behalf of NUFC, what would you spend it on? If the answer isn’t Andy Carroll, then you’ve just answered your own question!

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  • rich_toonfan

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #32

    Andy’s problem is his height and reputation at being good in the air.

    Too many players, especially in the national side and english players in ours and liverpool’s team see a tall guy and think all we can do is go long.

    It’s up to the manager to tell them to play into feet and play the percentages.

    If you have been closed down near your own box and its too risky to pass it out, then you go long. You simply need to weigh up what is the percentage pass at the time.

    Too many players just see carroll, go long and then he gets the blame, it’s the people that play the long ball to him who are at fault of the manager for not giving them better instructions.

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  • Toon73

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #33

    What??

    We have a lazy 18m hanging around to bring AC home, but we can’t stump up an extra 2m to get Debuchy here?

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  • Joe1987

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #34

    If guidetti is so good do you not think man city wud keep him?

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  • rich_toonfan

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:22 AM

    Comment #35

    Toon73

    It’s all about what the club see as value.

    they might think they have already paid what they consider acceptable for debuchy.

    surely when we sold carroll for 35million we had the extra 5 to bring cisse in during the summer…but we waited and got him at a price the club considered acceptable.

    If debuchy wants to move so much, hand in a transfer request and lose out on his bonuses…he hasn’t done that so, whilst he might want a move, he isn’t desperate for it.

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  • rharrison

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #36

    18M = 17M money for nothing. Still a good deal.

    Ba and Cisse offer us very similar styles of play. What we need is a striker that can give us an alternative method of play and a more effective strike partner for Ba or Cisse should we choose a 442 formation. Correct me if i’m wrong, but Carroll is the first Striker we’ve been linked with that offers a different option. Guidetti, De Jong, Remy are all superb players but do not offer anything remarkably different from Ba or Cisse.

    We need a target man for games we are chasing and a target from set pieces. Carroll offers us that but he also has the ability to turn and run and shoot from distance. And he’s playing for his hometown club so he will play better for us that we would for anyone else.

    Can anyone suggest another option for a target man with carrolls ability?

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  • Davetoon1984

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #37

    Looneytoon totally agree with your comments. Just because we robbed Liverpool of 35m doesn’t make Carroll good value to buy back for 18m etc for 18m we could get so much more for our money

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  • rich_toonfan

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #38

    not sure if we want carroll or not…but if the sell on clause is true then it would make sense to try to drive up his price to get an extra few million.

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  • BenbulbenMag

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #39

    Novo, I agree that peop[le were not happy when he left.

    But the landscape has changed significantly since then. At that time he was our only decent striker (Best was something of a nunknown quantity although he did us proud as it turned out)

    Now we have seen Graham Carr work his magic and we no longer want to pay inflated prices for players.

    We also have 2 magnificent strikers at the club (technically far superior)

    So Yes I want him back, but no I am not happy for the club to pay crazy money, so the fee is very important, especially as it may impact on our capacity to sign other prospects.

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  • Davetoon1984

    Jul 30, 2012 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #40

    Has it been mentioned that Leon best was stretchered off for Blackburn yesterday? I actually thought he was an alright squad player but too injury prone bloody hell good bit of business to get 3m now I’d say.

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