Carroll To Reject West Ham Deal – Any Deal That’s Not Newcastle


We reported last night that West Ham had agreed terms with Liverpool to take Andy Carroll on loan for the season,  with an option of a permanent deal next May.

Andy Carroll – reports that he is ready to reject West Ham move

However, Andy has said he wants to join a club who are playing in Europe, and now looks set to reject any move to West Ham, and that will not put him in very good stead with his club Liverpool.

And not only that, but sources close to Andy are now saying he will only leave Liverpool to go back home to Newcastle – so those are the two options – he’ll either stay at Liverpool or go out on loan to Newcastle.

When the news broke on a West Ham  deal last night, we noticed the Evening Chronicle rushed out a report to say that Andy still wanted to come to Newcastle, and would probably turn down the move to West Ham, and if this news is true that Andy will reject the deal, it would not be too surprising.

And today a report in ESPN quotes the following from a source at West Ham United:

“Sadly we have a deal in place with Liverpool, but the player does not want to come permanently at this time.”

On the other hand,  we just cannot see Newcastle paying what West Ham have offered for the Geordie striker, a £2M loan fee and a £17M transfer fee, if the Hammers want to take Andy full time next May.

And reports in the Mirror that Newcastle will get money from the deal sounds a little strange – and they say Newcastle have a sell-on clause where they get a percentage of the fee – but these kinds of deals only become real when the player is moved on for more than he was bought for – in other words more than £35M – which will not be the case.

That’s to protect a selling club of a top talent, in case the player becomes great at the new club and then is moved on for a huge fee, and almost the opposite is true with big Andy.

And for a newly promoted club with little money to spend, or so you would assume that to be the case, for the Hammers to spend all this money on just one player seems strange if not reckless, and why aren’t they  using that money to strengthen other parts of their team to ensure they can stay up next season?

Another report in the Daily Mail today is that Newcastle will move in with a new bid, but there’s no proof of that, and it just seems that’s one thing that could happen, and it seems like a glorified guess to us.

It’s hard to know what the situation really is, but if Carroll has told Newcastle he will resist any moves other than back to Newcastle – that would kind of explain what’s going on at the moment.

Liverpool will not be happy with this stance, so we’ll have to see what happens, but Newcastle will not overpay to bring the striker back home, that’s almost a cast iron certainty.

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43 comments so far

  • eaststandgeordie1982

    Jul 31, 2012 at 8:47 AM

    Comment #1

    Seems like alot of people want us to spend big on carroll when that cash would be better off buying defenders which is a must we already have goalscorers at the club and a NUMBER 9

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  • Londtoon

    Jul 31, 2012 at 8:51 AM

    Comment #2

    If there is truth in this Andy is showing the grass is not greener on pastures a-new. Today is demba day also! Let’s lock him away in mike ashleys cellar for the next 15hours:08mins

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  • eaststandgeordie1982

    Jul 31, 2012 at 8:54 AM

    Comment #3

    THERES ONLY OOOOOONNEE BOBBY ROBSON

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  • ~Debuchery on a Dreamboat~

    Jul 31, 2012 at 8:55 AM

    Comment #4

    Wouldn’t rule it out. West Ham managed to some how bring Tevez and Mascherano to their club. Far superior players to Carroll… surely they can pull another Rabbit out of the hat and Sign Carroll

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  • hdavid23

    Jul 31, 2012 at 8:57 AM

    Comment #5

    lets hope Llambias is brave enough to tell Liverpool that they either sell him to us for 9-10 mill, or have to stick with him for a few more years and pay out huge wages for nothing… now that everyone knows he’ll only sign for us, we must get him for very cheap

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  • hoppernufc

    Jul 31, 2012 at 8:58 AM

    Comment #6

    Hope west ham get him i really dont want to see him back at sjp, btw why was ben arfa not at the braga game?

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  • SuperShearer

    Jul 31, 2012 at 8:58 AM

    Comment #7

    BBC seem to think the loan could go ahead but AC doesn’t want to move to WHU on a permanent deal at the end of the season. Also anyone see that Leon Best is out for 6 months! Feel sorry for the lad as he’d have done well for Blackburn.

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  • ~Debuchery on a Dreamboat~

    Jul 31, 2012 at 8:59 AM

    Comment #8

    @Hoppernufc

    Your Not alone/ I hope West Ham sign him aswell.

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:00 AM

    Comment #9

    Good lad Andy!

    An England international who only wants to play for NUFC … probably for the rest of his career!

    Yes please Mr Ashley.

    #BringAndyHome

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  • wor geordie

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:00 AM

    Comment #10

    in my own opinion….i really dont know why many of us still want something to do with him.he left us for a better deal and supposedly a ‘better’ club (hehe).we all must remember how we all felt when he left.we were left in a somewhat mess with no proper striker for the rest of the season.somehow we survived.we started from scratch and somehow through good signings got Ba and Cisse.and all the success we have had last season was because we fought not because of him but rather without him.i am not discrediting his capabilities.probably maybe he’s actually really good.but there was a time he when ditched the club,city and the fans….this i’ll always remember.

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  • Valci

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:01 AM

    Comment #11

    Repost…just some food for thought i guess:

    ahh but thats the thing about opinions isnt it… we are all free to voice them on this blog but in the end they count for nowt. Also, anyone outside NUFC coaching staff (and this includes other managers/footballers) has very little basis for statements in the “Carroll would not improve our team” vein. In the end, NUFC staff have their vision for what the team as a whole and individual players (potential signings too) should look like and their opinion is the only one that matters.

    Don’t get me wrong…exchanging thoughts on this blog is fun and all but some of you guys make it seem(through the way you comment) that you actually think you opinion could change anything regarding our transfers, tactics and such when the truth is it wont. Hell, you wont even change other peoples opinion no matter how “loud” you voice yours…and it doesnt make you (or me) right. Just hope everyone realizes that.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:03 AM

    Comment #12

    Isn’t it time carroll grew up and realised we owe him absolutely nothing. We are a far better and successful footballing team since he left, Liverpool are not. Why does he think he had a divine right for us to spend big for him to come back when we could get so much better quality for the money.

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:03 AM

    Comment #13

    It’s D-Day! Demba day that is 🙂

    Everyone have their shot of strawberry syrup ready for midnight, I’m going to get smashed!

    Of course, a big shout out to the great man, Bobby Robson. You’re memory certainly lives on.

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:05 AM

    Comment #14

    Rotonda…Just catching up on previous threads, apologies if I misquoted you…perhaps I shouldn’t be so lazy to look back 🙂

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  • ~Debuchery on a Dreamboat~

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #15

    Valci I ask you now,

    Whilst Carroll was still at Newcastle, how much would you have realistically Valued him at, after a season in the Championship and half a season in the PL.

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  • Londtoon

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #16

    As mentioned before. Forget about Andy, today is all about wor Demba! Lock him away until tomorrow!

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #17

    If carroll had done well at liverpool after all the badge kissing and photo opportunities, he wouldn’t have given us the time of day. I don’t blame him for going for the money. Anyone who had the chance to triple their wages would, but why should we be his sately net after he so spectacularly failed. Let’s have a bit of pride here.

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #18

    @Rotonda heights

    I’m sure Andy Carroll doesn’t think NUFC owe him anything … you come up with some sh!te.

    As for divine rights … if we bid for him it’s because Pardew wants him … is that not good enough for you?

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  • ogm

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #19

    I can’t see how AC would improve the team myself and for the money you’d want improvement.

    But as said above I’m not an insider so I don’t know what the vision is.

    I’ll leave that up to AP who gets paid the big bucks to make those decisions and to be fair hasn’t really put a foot wrong.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:08 AM

    Comment #20

    *safety net

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  • hoppernufc

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:09 AM

    Comment #21

    Have you lads seen the story about arfas dad tried to headbutt his agent? You can see where Ben arfa gets his temperament from ha

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  • davybtoon

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #22

    There is no way we should b paying anything like that for Carroll when we can get loic remy for cheaper price

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  • naptoon

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:12 AM

    Comment #23

    hatem
    agreed
    rotonda
    where do u get carroll belives we owe him. i see a young bloke who got bad advice and made a bad decision like most of us have and it seems to me he thinks he owes us and isnt afraid to pee off the scousers to come home

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  • bambams

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #24

    I still feel there are better options than Carroll, decent player and on his day can be unplayable – however he brings too many troubles when out on the town and may upset the team

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:14 AM

    Comment #25

    Rotonda…As Hatem said, where is it said that we owe him anything? If there is any substance to us being interested, it will be within the clubs guidelines, not Carroll’s. If we can get him cheap enough (really not 100% sure what that figure should / would be), then of course there is a place for him within the squad.

    Then there is of course the fact that this is a wonderful decoy for the real business being done by the club.

    Then there is always the ever possible scenario that we’re buying no one and this is a plan to keep us all busy until August 31st.

    Whatever the outcome, football starts in a couple of weeks and I am ready for the new season…new signings or not.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:14 AM

    Comment #26

    Hatem,

    ‘If i wanted come back i’d scrape it out of your mums throat’

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  • ~Debuchery on a Dreamboat~

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #27

    @Hatem

    So because he wants Andy, Nufc should overspend? yes it’s important for a manager to like the player the club is supposedly after, but thats not all. that player also has to be able to improve the team.

    Now for what must be the dozenth time, without an answer, I ask again.

    What does Carroll have, which can improve the team?.
    Surely heading is not the case, since Ba and Cisse are threats in the air, the latter more so. Is it pace? Surely not… he ain’t the fastest guy is he?. Is it his superb ability at rounding the keeper and shooting in an open goal… wait a second.. scratch the last part… he can’t even run past a keeper without falling over air.

    I’m sure Pardew wants a whole bunch of players, not just Carroll, the question is can they improve the team and in my opinion judging on his last one and a half seasons, what he has to offer is no better then what Strolla has to offer.

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  • Grafton83

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #28

    It seems blindingly obvious to me thay West Ham would never make the deal perminent at the end of the loan. They’re just trying to get a top striker in for the season at a cost of 2 million and half price wages.

    They may as well make it a 50 million bid as they can’t ever hope to afford the player on a perminent basis.

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  • ~Debuchery on a Dreamboat~

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:18 AM

    Comment #29

    @27… that question is directed at everyone… not just Hatem. >.>

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  • barcodejoe

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #30

    Am i missing something here? FORGET Carroll. We do not play to his strengths anymore. there are far more talented forwards available! Loic Remy fits our profile and is a proven striker at the top level with pace….. i say it again with PACE and that is what we need. sorry Andy

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  • naptoon

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:31 AM

    Comment #31

    barcodejoe
    carroll is better in the air than all 3 of our strikers and you forget his contribution when here. he is good in his own box and at 23 has room to improve all aspects of his game he is certainly further forward than cisse ba were at that age. also what do you propose if senegal beat ic and we lose ba / cisse or god forbid ba leaves today remember sholas injury record is only marginally better than taylors. i want competition for places and an england striker who (allegedly) wants to come here will do for me

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  • naptoon

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:32 AM

    Comment #32

    sorry barcode thats for debuchery

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  • davo

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #33

    @29. I think you’re forgetting that AC was immense when he played for us. 99% of us were devastated when we sold him and now it seems a lot of people wouldn’t have him back for around 15 mil. Well I’d have him back in a heartbeat.

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  • Lee Dodd

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #34

    Why Would We pay that amount of silly ££££££££ Money for one Player when we can get 2 Defenders and a Striker for the same money as we would pay for Carroll . We all Know Mike Ashley is Not That Daft. I think its all a smoke screen and find we have signed Debouchy Good and Remy by the end of the week ….

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  • Valci

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    Comment #35

    Remy is in the same pricerange as Carroll…get it through your heads…he is not 9mil.(as the previous thread falsely stated) So you wont buy Remy + another 1 or 2 players for the same money. That has no bearing on weather you want AC back or not just dont spread these lies…jeez…

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  • barcodejoe

    Jul 31, 2012 at 9:49 AM

    Comment #36

    naptoon
    your points are valid, but my belief is that we need a striker with pace, no matter how much Carroll developes he wont get any quicker. i am well aware of his contribution when he was with the Toon, but that was in the past and it should stay there. If we were to sign the likes of Remy we would still have cover for the African cup.

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  • ArtyH

    Jul 31, 2012 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #37

    I don’t know if AC will end up at our place or not but surely everyone knows now he is not wanted at liverpool and the only team he appears to want to play for is the toon! Any other team he would be just as he was at liverpool and what other manager would want that? Looks like he only has one option, all other boats have been burned, IF you believe the press and media stories.

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  • HullMag6

    Jul 31, 2012 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #38

    Get him signed mike.

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  • theystillletmevote

    Jul 31, 2012 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #39

    I just pose the question:

    At £35 million have Liverpool bought THE most expensive homing pigeon in history?

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  • Matthew Tom

    Jul 31, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    Comment #40

    I do not believe we got a massive £35m PLUS a sell-on clause.

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