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Why Do Newcastle Keep Collapsing Every Now And Then?

11:31 am, Sunday, August 12th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 426 Comments

James Perch apologized to Newcastle fans after the game yesterday at the Cardiff City Stadium, and he wanted to let the fans know that he understood what it meant to travel to support Newcastle,  and a performance like the one they gave yesterday was simply not good enough. We have to agree with James on that one.

Perchinho in Newcatsle’s colors yesterday

Newcastle were 3-0 down after only 26 minutes and that was the game right there, and after that first 30 minutes Newcastle were much improved, but of course the damage had already been done.

It seems to us that the Newcastle defense is prone to collapsing as that’s not the first time we’ve looked hopeless in defense when starting a game, and it happened at Tottenham and at Wigan earlier this  year, and it happened in that famous home game against Arsenal - but we managed to famously come back in that game.

There’s something  that makes these things happen, and we’re not sure if it’s over confidence or what,  but the side doesn’t  turn up for some games every now and then,  and it always come as a big surprise.

And of course a couple of good new defenders in before the transfer window slams shut, would certainly help things.

The players all looked dejected after the game, which was not too surprising,  and it would have been a solemn journey back to Newcastle, after the lads had looked fairly decent in pre-season before yesterday, losing only at FC Chemnitzer before yesterday’s debacle.

Perchinho talked to the Newcastle web-site after the game:

” ‘We let you all down.”  “It matters to us because we’re professionals,” “We never want to lose a game and the way we did it, we certainly didn’t want to do that.”  “We know that Newcastle fans come in thousands and we have let them down today.”

“And we’ve let ourselves down, I’m not going to say we haven’t let ourselves down today, we’ve let the gaffer down and everyone to do with the club, the players out there.”  “But it’s over now. “

“We can’t do anything about it and we look forward to next week. It wasn’t a good performance, we hold our hands up, and we now look forward to the start of the season against Tottenham.”

“I don’t know what it was, we can’t really put our finger on it, but we did improve and should have had a couple more goals.”  “I have to give a special mention to the young lad who came on, Campbell. “

“He came on, looked sharp, created chances, maybe should have got a penalty, so it was a good day for him and I think everybody should be really happy with the way he played.”

“When you look back at it, we’ve played alright in some games and we’ve won most of them. It’s just a shame we couldn’t win today, the last one going into the start of the season.”

“But we’ve washed our hands of it now. It’s gone and it’s done and we look forward to working hard on Monday leading up to the Saturday game.”

James Perch didn’t come on until after 28 minutes and by that time we were 3-0 down and the game was lost.

The most positive aspect of  the game yesterday, which most seem to agree on, was the performance of 17-year-old debut boy Adam Campbell, and the local lad looked great after he came on late in the game.

Adam was interviewed after the game,  and he said he was just hoping to get more Reserve team games under his belt in the coming season – but if he keeps playing like he did yesterday, we haven’t seen the last of this lad in the first team.

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426 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Kyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM

    Because Simmo and Willo are championship level.

  • 2 Ben3arfa // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    ^^
    Agreed

  • 3 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    bcoz they get to cocky

  • 4 Dannyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    I won’t be surpised of Campbell starts training with the first team from here on out.
    Streete did before his injury, Campbell has even gotten the chance to prove himself a bit now.
    Tbh, i’d be worrying if i was Amalfitano and Vuckic.

  • 5 pieceofpapiss // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:37 AM

    RE Simmo and Willo.

    They both played the majority of games last season, especially Simmo and we finished 6th. Best result in nearly 10 years. Get behind your team and players. Its idiots like you who expect us to be challenging for the title.

  • 6 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:37 AM

    Because Raylor cannot play CM and Guti should never play AM.

    We were overrun in midfield again like lat year, putting too much pressure on our defence.

    We got stuffed a few times last year and should’ve got stuffed a few more time also. We were lucky last year in many games and our luck may run out. We cannot gamble and I was hoping to see a tactical shift within the team this year to avoid getting played of the park.

    Unfortunately as it stands without investment I can see many more 4-1, 5-0 etc…

    I can’t see us scoring more than 3 in a game without more control and creativity.

    I am still positive we will have investment but if we don’t it’s simple really. We will not finish 5th again unless we are lucky once more!

  • 7 Dannyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    @Kyo
    Have u even watched the highlights?
    Have u read the match report?
    Have u talked to people who was at the match?
    Did we not concede once when Willo came on and scored once too?
    Which of the goals was Simmos fault?

    Answer all of these properly, then u can say cause Willo and Simmo are Championship level.
    Btw, they are better than Championship.

  • 8 magpie6699 // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    (Repost)
    There was a little team who played a little game called football. And when they were good they were very very good but when they were bad they were horrid!
    You know the nursery rhyme – “there was a little girl and she had a little curl, right in the middle of her forehead. And when she was good she was very very good, but when she was bad she was fantastic and got lots of jewellery and stuff”. (Well that’s my version)

  • 9 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    beattie on previous post

    those are the points i was trying to hint towards. people are talking about match fitness, sharpness, etc, but how is everyone supposed to collectively pull together in a week’s time after not having played together, in position, since may? in my mind it’s a recipe for a spanking next saturday.

    anyway, it is what it is. no one was asking for 40, 30, even 20 million. we were just looking for steady, marked improvement. instead, like i said before, it’s all up in the air now. will the youngsters perform? even if they can/will/do, will pards drop a willo for a tavernier? a perch before an abeid or bigi? doubtful in my mind

    anyway, off to real work now

  • 10 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    Papiss

    We finished 5th.

    And again the answer to your statement is where could we have finished with better than simmo and Willo in the team? We shall never know but they contributed to the 5th place finish, they didn’t make it happen.

  • 11 Dannyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    @pieceofpapiss
    We finished 5th mate, but that’s ok ;)

  • 12 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:42 AM

    last thing i’ll say:

    i’m beginning to think more and more than santon needs to be played on the wing. his defending can at times be world class but when he’s off, he makes simmo (and god i still hate the sight of him and his high center of gravity meandering helplessly 20 feet away from an attacker) look world class. thoughts?

  • 13 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    If a Kenyan finished 5th place in the 10k wearing a pair of dr martins ask yourself, should he not spend a little bit more to buy some trainers and see where he finished in the next race?

    Simmo and Willo for me are our dr martins. They don’t make the athlete and they offer good grip and stability but we need to get better or else we will be held back.

  • 14 Graeme // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    Beattie 25, – we can only be “Lucky” so many times, then it runs out. At that point what do we rely on??

    It has been obvious since last season that we need at least 2 GOOD first team additions, not necessarily world class, just good!! If we could get Debuchy or Mbiwa signed up, together with Anita, we will be a far more capable team than we were last season, than we are today.

    I just hope we can achieve the additions before we play Spuds – it would be helpful!!

  • 15 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    Best answers so far

    Get too cocky
    Poor in front of back four and get overrun in midfield

    REPOST

    TS

    We need to recruit new 1st 11 players just to stand still.

    Davyb

    I got slagged by Hatem for posting a differing opinion to his own. He has a short fuse and can’t argue his way out so gets personal very quickly.

    Anyone who thinks our defence doesn’t need bolstering at CB and FB as a top priority should take a look at the goals against for last season

  • 16 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    Tav would b ahead of Simpson n willo for me in both positions

  • 17 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:48 AM

    Rock bottom after our first two PL matches. That’s my prediction. :D

  • 18 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    Marty

    IMO Santon is the type of modern full back only suited to a 5 man midfield.

    If he had cover then he’d be amongst the best in the leauge but playing a 4-4-2, the midfield gets out played, santon gets shackled and he doesn’t have the quality around him to play his style.

    Simmo also (as I have said time and time again) brings an imbalance to the team. Because he cannot maraude forward he keeps a high line and the back 4 becomes a diagonal line and the 2 man central midfield area becomes disjointed and Santon gets caught to high up the pitch, Simmo is to far back. Colo covers LB, Willo is beaten for pace, Simmo slots into CB and the RW of the opposition has a chance.

    Rant

  • 19 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    How many games did Colo play last season when we shipped 3 goals or more ?

    Does he ever underperform or is he always bolstering up an inadequate partner ?

  • 20 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:53 AM

    Colo underperforms for sure.

    But when he does nobody else performs, that is a major issue. He picks up poor performers but we don’t have the quality to pick him up.

    Maybe Saylor can when he’s back 100%?!

  • 21 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:53 AM

    ohh Dannyo

    just saw your comment about talking ‘out of my depth’ because i said Vuckic has played on the wing three times this season. are you really going to lay that line on me? how could i possibly be speaking out of my depth by mentioning a fact?

    and just to remind you, RW is NOT CB. Megson was using him as a RW and that’s why he was brought back to the club, because pards said he saw him as a FB, not a winger. I’m not disputing the fact he can play CB, but is he not the obvious successor to the RB spot? jesus christ there are some people and the stupidity spouted that just irk me on this blog. how is any of that not worthy of discussion?????

  • 22 Marty-Toon // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    Wouldn’t it have been better to get a cb in before the season starts so that ye can get used to the team and style?
    Does MA think we will save money on waiting?

  • 23 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    Am goin for a win v spurs n a draw with chelsea

    Spurs will b without Parker, modric they only hav Defoe upfront even if they sign adebayor this week he’s injured from what I’ve read n he hasn’t played a game in pre season

  • 24 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:57 AM

    A lot of people are way too worried.

    Yes it would be good if we improved Simmo and willo but we had the third list clean sheets last season.

    The problem with the team was when there was one problem the wheels came off.

    We do need more cover at cb. Saylor and collo are good. Good might become a top player and he may be ready now but from experience somebody with so little time in the sport is not likely to be ready for the prem yet.

    Tav might also be ready but that’s still a big ask.

  • 25 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    I just urge people to wait til the window shuts before slagging off the club. Wait and see.

  • 26 t00ntime // Aug 12, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    Mattynufc u sound lyk u want rid of simpson, kinda harsh… He is 100% premier league quality and definatly wud be great back up for if we got another RB, u make it sound as if he wud be lucky to play in the championship
    + santon on the wing? So we have
    Marveux, jonas, santon, ba, ben arfa(can but not well) who all play left wing and

    - playing LB

    Probably a better plan to keep santon as a LB for the time being… :S

  • 27 Dannyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    @Matty
    It’s not fact that Vuckic has played on the wing 3 times mate, he was shifted out there in the game against Olympiakos, that’s it.
    And if AP reckons Tav can do it at CB, he can. Tav also says he has no preference in the backline in a post match interview.
    He likes it across the board. He even showed that playing LB in the pre-season too.
    He’s a good player, he’s young, he’ll get quickly used to a CB position.
    The last line was cheeky, and i apoligize, it was unwarranted. Same as u, some posts basically angers me, so i took a swing, I’m sorry.

  • 28 donno78 // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    What people seem to miss when discussing our poor performances is our inability to keep the ball and dictate the pace of the game. Players like Cabaye help us do this as can Ben arfa and marveaux on their day and it is also why collo is so good. All the top teams with good defensive records can do this and it is drilled into all of their squad. If the opposition don’t have the ball they can’t score. Unfortunately this is where simmo Willo and others fall down. They are not comfortable on the ball and give it away cheaply with hoofs or sloppy passes and while quite sound defensively in a tackle it puts the pressure straight back on the team. For this reason another ball playing mid like Anita would be brill as would Douglas debuchy etc for exactly the same reason. I also agree with whoever said the team is not balanced because Simpson does not push on enough. Oh and also when vukic plays up top the ball does not stick enough which again puts the team under pressure. With our first 11 most of these issues will disappear. Can’t wait for next weekend :-)

  • 29 Kyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    @Dannyo

    I don’t really understand why you defend them. Not even the players think Simmo is good enough for RB, otherwise Cabaye wouldn’t be so desperate to get Debuchy in, and we all know Simmo will be a cup game player if Debuchy joins.

    And Willo? Come on. How many more 4 or 5 goal drubbings do you need before you see the truth? The fact that we conceded more goals than most in the top 10 last season is evidence that our defense is our weakest area and frankly MUST be improved if we’re going to push for glory.

  • 30 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    Transfer sage exactly ppl are jumping the gun and worrying but the fact is the window ain’t shut n still has 3 weeks n when it shuts we will hav the players we want

  • 31 Kyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    Might as well tell me Shola is all we need in the goal scoring department too.

  • 32 jimmymagpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    I agree with the comments about Willo, but he wasn’t even on the field when the first 3 went in! You regulars know my reservations about the defensive qualities of Colo and Santon, but haven’t time to argue that today, as Sunday lunch awaits in the local. Howay lads, the season is about to start, time to provide the UNITED front once again, after the summer debate/argument, and let’s hope for good news on recruitments soon. Thanks for the craic. HTL!!

  • 33 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    Rip Sid Waddell. Toon through and through.

  • 34 Indian Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    Debuchy was involved with France at Euros, he played yesterday,

    what is wrong with HBA and Cabaye why r they struggling

  • 35 Dannyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    @Kyo
    U have answered not a single one of my questions, but hey, i didn’t think u would.
    I defend them because they’re a part of Newcastle United, the team i’ve followed since a very young age.
    And i’m bloody Norwegian.
    U bash players, and as long as u bash players, not matter who it is, u bash my team.
    I’ll never ever stop anyone bashing my team.
    Critisism is ok, we all do it, bashing has no place here nor anywhere else.
    U lay no basis to your claims, none whatsoever.

  • 36 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    On finishing 5th:

    1. It was lucky because our usual rivals underperformed/had injuries/ management problems;
    2. We won’t finish 5th again because we have stood still or gone backwards as we haven’t (yet) strengthened the starting 11;

    3. We finished 5th because we had Simmo and Willo;
    4. We finished 5th in spite of having Simmo and Willo.
    5. We would have finished 4th if we had two better players in their positions.

    There are two circular arguments here.

    A. We had an exceptional season. 1 & 2 above

    In 2012-3 Our rivals will still have the usual footballing problems of injuries, fallings out, bad signings, poor management, poor runs etc., regardless of how much money they have spent. We might have a lot more games, but only if we have a strong enough team to get past qualifiers and past average opposition (e.g. FA Cup), otherwise we’ll just have the EPL to concentrate on. Other sides have new managers and exactly the same issues to face.
    Mancini is hopping they’ve signed nobody frinstance

    B. Our defence shipped a lot of goals last season, far more than a 5th finish side ought to have. The whole back 4 and the DMs in front of them are all responsible as it is a team game. The weakest links are not always the same two guys above – other players have off games or we come up against somebody on fire. However, the chances of shipping fewer goals improves if we have better players or a larger pool of good defenders. We need to be looking at the defences of tighter sides not just those above us. What are we doing wrong ? It is much more complicated than two lumps of deadwood, who are evidently capable at EPL level, just maybe not consistently at top EPL level. Answer …. get in new players to strengthen for sure , rejig defence but do not blame just the two most average players..who are okay most of the time.
    It’s the games when we are at our most feeble that cause the problems, not the good ones.

    RANT OVER

  • 37 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    Adam Campbell looked so good in his little cameo yesterday really excited about this kid could b one of the best youngsters we’ve ever produced

  • 38 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    Davy

    I cant agree with you about players coming in, my patience is running out and we need a couple of players in by spurs. With the way things are going it doesn’t look like anyone will be brought in.

    I don’t think Colo’s injured as well. It’s just a ploy so he dosent have to go on international duty. But our possible line up ( with injuries and Ramadan)

    —————–Krul————-
    —Simpson Saylor Colo Santon—
    -Oba /Guti perch gosling Guti/ marv
    ————Shola Ba/cisse———

    Now I’m not saying we’ll start with that, but with Cabaye and HBA unfit and Tiote injured AGAIN! As well as Ba and cisse on ramadan ( which I can’t see both starting) that line up will get beaten comfortably by a decent spurs team

  • 39 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    Kyo

    Conceded a lot but 3rd most clean sheets.

    Shows that we might conceded a lot but we can also defed very well most of the time.

  • 40 Dannyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:15 PM

    @davy
    I know it’s a bit nasty of me, but he’s very short, the other players have problems spotting him :P
    I find it a bit funny, i honestly do, however horrible it makes me seem.
    He’ll be a wonderful player mate, he’ll be our Geordie Messi.

  • 41 Tommyy // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    I think we all know deep down (some not so deep) that last season was a one off and we won’t achieve that again this season.
    Think we must just accept that and see what we can do. If we get 2 good players in who know’s we may do aswell, but I’m not counting on it.

  • 42 jimmymagpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:18 PM

    Beattie @ 33 -hear,hear mate. God Bless Sid.

  • 43 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:18 PM

    Transfer sage

    Or that the opposition strikers were out of form, unlucky or shit.

    Where is the stat for how many attempts were made on our goal. I’ll guarantee it was in the top 5.

    Colo was immense , Krul was incredible but the others were decent.

    We will get many a pasting this season unless we are adequately covered or lucky

    Im just being honest not a neggar and as I have said I am still positive that we’ll sign players.

  • 44 Dannyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    Rodwell to City, didn’t see that coming tbh.

    @Tommyy
    Don’t speak for all of us, speak for yourself. Last season was not a one off, it was the work of skill, desire, will and teamwork.

  • 45 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Consistency is what our defence needs like MFH said before. Willo and Simpson are OK and can play in the PL, but they’re are not consistent enough to be in a top 6 team. This is why defenders are the priority. We need players in quick and Atm it looks unlikely that we’ll bring anyone in.

  • 46 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    Supermagpie what you hav to realise is it’s all about getting the players you actually want n the reason a lot of deals are done at the end of the window is bcoz teams realise they aren’t gonna get the price they’ve asked for n sell at a lower one, I’d rather have 3/4 payers we actually want come sept3rd then 3/4 players just for the sake of it in July

  • 47 blew // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:20 PM

    We have attacking defenders, in a balanced back 4 we should include defensive defenders. Do we have any on the books ? Premier League standard of course

  • 48 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    I still without any more signings we are comfortably a top 7 team.

    Chelsea won’t be as bad as last year, improved manager and team.

    Liverpool haven’t done enough to convince me they can make up the 17 points needed to catch us.

    Spurs have weakened a lot. Only Defoe upfront, modric won’t want to play. And AVB has only one way of playing so if doesn’t work they are doomed.

  • 49 pardew no 1 // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    we dont need a striker
    we need a rb
    we need a cb
    and we need a cdm/cm

  • 50 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    TS

    It’s not the games that you keep clean sheets that are the problem…it’s the ones where you concede 3-4 or more

    The defensive weakness is consistency, not ability.

    Mind you I do believe we need 2 defenders or one plus Anita as we need to gamble less on keeping the CBs fit.

  • 51 geordie157 // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    3-4 signings would be great, but even just 1-2 will do just to add competition but quality competition.

    Some players for me don’t have to a do a lot to keep their place in the starting XI. Colo is a great centre back, but he is under no real pressure for his place, Wilo is a back up and no more than that, yes he can be great but he can also be found wanting ie for pace and confidence.

    If he is available for 5mill, then maybe even someone like a Scott Dann would be worth a look, its an upgrade on Wilo but more importantly it puts a bit more pressure on Saylor and Colo.

    I really want to see Tav start the season as right back but it looks unlikely.

  • 52 Kyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    @Dannyo

    So just because Obertan wears our shirt means I’m supposed to defend him and overrate him?

    what

  • 53 donno78 // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    @tommy why won’t we do it again. We’ve lost non of our stars added Bigi amalfitano and young sammy looks good. We have cisse Ben arfa and marveaux and gosling right from the start this time and last years signings are now moe embedded. I think we have one of the best cm pairings and strike pairs so I think 5th is very dOable. Wouldn’t want much out of liverpools squad to be honest.

  • 54 Novocastrian66 // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    R.I.P. Sid.

  • 55 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    We do need a striker we only hav ba, cisse n shola

  • 56 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    Davybtoon

    I understand what you’re saying about getting the players for less later in the window and I agree with it. But if you pay abit extra so you can get a full pre-season behind them and let them gel with the team then its worth it IMO.

  • 57 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    TS

    I really do rate AVB but his weakness is that unlike ‘arry he doesn’t seem to be a motivator.
    I think Brendan is the same… good coach and tactically sound but no motivator.

    I rate Pards above both of them.

    And Chelski struck lucky last season in the CL as Drogba was immense when they needed him.

  • 58 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    Kyo yes it does mean u hav to support him on the pitch doesn’t mean you will rate him but you have to back them on the field

  • 59 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    Beattie.

    Our season was not down to luck. You make your own ‘luck’.

    I agree Simmo and willo lack consistency and it would be good to improve.

    They are the two weakest links so should be upgraded first. Not saying they are terrible but out of our 11 them two are the weakest.

  • 60 Phil K // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    Many fans are shouting “Don’t panic !!!!” and running around like Corporal Jones in Dads Army.
    But seriously – the players need to study this mess and make sure it doesn’t happen again

  • 61 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    Chelsea have bought great players but they are gonna miss drogba so much impossible to replace we done for them

  • 62 Indian Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    Kevin K resigned due to lack of signings

  • 63 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    Didn’t my video lift everyone’s spirits? I’m shocked.

    What’s more shocking is people are engaging “Ruddy” as the real Ruddy. When does the real Ruddy ever post one liners and say things like he predicts we’ll be bottom after 2 games? Honestly.

    Apart from that, all I have to say is it’s stinking hot.

  • 64 Kyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    No it doesn’t mean I have to support Obertan. He gives me no reason to.

    If you want to defend your crap players then be my guest, but don’t try to argue with those of us who want to progress.

  • 65 Tommyy // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    Dannyo – you’re a fool. Just because it took all of the things you mention doesn’t mean it wasn’t a one off. It was, we overachieved simple as that.
    I’m not saying it can’t happen again (one off is a turn of phrase) just that we shouldn’t expect it to, and as I said I don’t think many really do.

  • 66 geordie157 // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool and ourselves are maybe all 1 striker short at the moment.

  • 67 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    The players are to blame when we play poor bcoz am pretty sure pardew don’t send them out to b that bad

  • 68 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    Davyb

    If Pards ‘converts’ Obertan into a 5-6 goal striker, and we use Vuckic, Campbell to bring them on then we could generate 10 goals polus from the fringe starters.
    Reckon Marv could bang in a few too.
    MA tends to gamble on overachievers.

    Mind you Remy would be a real treat.

  • 69 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    mattyNUFC

    Apologies is you’re not talking about Tav (I’m too lazy to trawl back through), but Pardew has said that he sees Taverniers future at CB.

  • 70 Dannyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    @Kyo
    Dear me, do u read my post at all or just the 3 first letters?
    Bashing and critisizing are two different things.
    When u bash u do so mindlessly, spouting nonsense.
    When u critisize, u have a base for your critisism. And arguement it, u just dont throw out random comments.

    When the team is on the pitch support them all to the end.
    Bashing your own players is like boing your own players, only the scum of the earth does it.

  • 71 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    Kyo being a fan is about supporting everyone in the team not just the players you like
    Also when are certain gonna learn to not write players off

  • 72 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    Super

    What’s better.

    Gettin two players in early window.

    Getting 3 late in the window for the same price.

    Not saying either happen but that might be why we wait.

    AVB was terrible at Chelsea, he didn’t have the right tactics for his team.

    And they will miss drogba but Torres will be great next year. With creative players behind him he will score a lot more.

  • 73 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    All the talk here seems to be about Simpsons quality…

    Has no one noticed that Santon is seriously lacking defensively???

  • 74 Kyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    Uhhhhhhhhhh none of them are on the pitch right now. Of course I cheer them on when they play, but after we get thrashed by 4 or 5 goals with Simmo and Willo being the ones responsible then of course I’m going to criticise.

  • 75 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:33 PM

    Kyo

    The problem is that ALL forwards thrive on confidence, some more than other as some have massive self belief, but if the fans are rollocking one of their players it has a negative not positive effect and you never get them to perform at their best.

    So slag off who you like, but the boo boys tend to be self fulfilling. That’s why Pards is very careful to support the players who need nurturing

  • 76 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:33 PM

    davybtoon

    I remember when Perch was the worst player in the squad, ‘championship standard’, etc ;)

  • 77 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    Magpie if pardew was gonna use Vukic n Campbell I’d b happy with that but yea remy would b a treat

    Also sun says we’re gonna bid 8m for toivonen well he was left out of psv squad yesterday

  • 78 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:35 PM

    Kyo

    Glad you support the lads on the pitch, as should everyone.

    Saying negative stuff here is fine, can’t argue with you doing that. A good debate is alright.

  • 79 Kyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    I think the last time I saw fans booing their own players was Euro 2012 (France). I was shocked.

  • 80 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    TDS

    http://www.nufcblog.com/2012/01/11/newcastle-end-james-taverniers-loan-at-sheffield-united/

    maybe pards has said that recently, and i do think James could do a job at CB, but i think he’s a naturally wide player. IMO he’d excel more out wide than at CB. He’s not exactly the tallest kid either.

  • 81 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    Kyo

    You should not put Simmo and Willo in the same box.
    IMO Simmo does a perfectly sound job in defence, but is less capable in attack, but then his primary job is defence.

    Willo is less sure, tends to back off get turned, grab shirts and needs more help from his fellow CB. Having said that he ain’t too bad aerially.

    I think strengthening at CB is more of a priority, especially as we are more liklely to have injuries there.

  • 82 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    Tds yea exactly my point n Leon best was league 1 standard, granted obertan frustrates the fans but you can not single him out for his final ball bcoz that is a problem running right through are squad
    As for Simpson n willo they can b fantastic on there day but there day doesn’t come round very often it’s like once every 5 games n that’s what we need to improve we hav to consistent over 38 not 28 games

  • 83 geordie157 // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    Exactly, Perch is a prime example, got slated but worked hard and become a good squad player, admittedly not probably a starter, but he seems to accept that, works hard and gives his all given the chance no matter where he is asked to play.

    Gosling will prove a lot of critics wrong this season, if he stays fit.

    Obertan the jury is still out, but its clear to see that he thrives on confidence, if the team is playing well he tends to. He has lots to work on, but again for a few mill he could turn out to be a good signing.

    All squads need this sorts of players due to numbers of games, injuries etc. What we ideally need is an upgrade at right back, a no nonsense centre back to put pressure on Saylor and Colo. A DM ie Anita isnt essential but would be an added bonus, as he is a quality player and is more natural to that role than Jonas.

  • 84 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    Tav same height as colo

  • 85 Conaldo (The Wizard) // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:41 PM

    Said this a few weeks ago but I’ll say it again.

    The teams around us havent improved that much, if at all.

    Man City – havent signed anyone, so no improvement

    Man utd, signed Kagawa, and powell from league 1 or whaterver, also lost a few decentt players such as berbatov and park

    Arsenal – yeah, carzola, giroud, podolski. Unproven, could flop, also, set to lose RVP, who won most games for them last season, Also, several long term injuries.

    Spuds – Siggurdson. verthongen. replacing lost players etc. no significant improvement

    Chelski – only team to significantly improve – will be viewed as failures if dont win the league, so heaps of pressure, i fully expect them to collapse by end of season.

    Everton – they start terribly so we have no problem.
    all the rest are mid table.

    Oh, forgot about liverpool.
    I think we can safely say that our closest rivals this year for a place will be liverpool.

    now lets do a little comparison.

    Goalkeepers –
    NUFC – Krul, Harps, Elliot.
    LFC – Reina, Doni, Jones.

    Defenders –
    NUFC – Simmo, Raylor, Colo, Willo, Saylor, Santon, Perch, Tav, Good.
    LFC – Enrique, Skrtel, Johnson, Agger, Carragher, Kelly, Coates, Flanagan, Robinson, Wilson.

    Midfield –
    NUFC – Cabaye, Jonas, Ben Arfa, Obertan, Tiote, Gosling, Marveaux, Vuckic, Ferguson, Amalfitano, Bigi, Abeid.
    LFC – Allen, Adam, Henderson, Downing, gerrard, Spearing, Shelvey, Lucas, Sterling, Cole.

    Strikers –
    NUFC – Cisse, Ba, Shola, Sammy
    LFC – Suarez. Borini, Carroll, Eccleston.

    I dont know about you guys, but there is not one player from their first team I would swap for a player on our 1st team, and I think our squad is a lot better than theirs.

    The point of this long boring message you ask?

    Even if we sign nobody, the teams around us bar one player maybe will be EXACTLY THE SAME AS LAST YEAR. And we beat almost evereybody last year.
    So chill, just enjoy the spurs game when it comes.

  • 86 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    matty

    He said it after the friendly against Braga (?) where he played alongside Colo. The issue with having him at CB is he likes to bomb forward, and as you say – he’s not exactly strong or tall. A back two of Colo and Tav would get walked all over by a team with a little stength up top.

    The thing he does have is real pace though. Wenger has always been a fan of developing youngsters at FB, then moving them to CB when they’ve learnt more – I’d prefer that.

  • 87 pardew no 1 // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    i feel for pardew he does his best gets us in europe and mike wont invest just that little bit more to get them over the line

  • 88 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    fair enough on Tav’s height

    still see him as a RB though. There really should be no question, if we’re not to sign a RB, who should be playing and that’s JT and NOT simmo

  • 89 check the toastie // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    TDS – shouldnt compare Simpson with Santon, they are miles apart in terms of ability, this Santon cant defend rubbish has gone on since the lad has come into the 1st team, its a load of shit, marked Nani and Valencia out the game against Man Utd and Owned Sturridge down at Chelsea,

    Anyone criticising Santon should just simply fcuk off the blog as they quite clearly have no idea at all. The kid is new to the PL and will clearly improve. Simpson has no improvement in him. Funny how no other PL team fancies him or else he would have been long gone.

  • 90 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    …this was a comment from a Wednesday fan on that link

    Hi Wednesday fan here. I have seen all Taverniers games for us whilst on loan and he is a very good player. However when played at right back he tended to get caught in possession a lot and was easily muscled off the ball and was weak in the tackle (he was ripped to pieces by Gary Roberts a Huddersfield winger and we conceded two goals after him flapping a leg out in a challenge) It was clear however that he had pace to burn and would love to dribble through 1st divison sides at will. He was often found in opposing penalty areas after beating four or five men. It was obvious he would make a better winger than defender and so it proved, he was a revelation at winger for the two games he played there. Im sure in the prem he could play right back but in our hurly burly league he wasnt strong enough

  • 91 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    I’ve have to agree with bob moncurs piece in the chronicle few month back that a dm player ie Anita is more important than a cb coming bcoz tiote n Anita sitting there would really allow hba, marv, cabaye, ba cisse to run riot

    But yes I would love a big cb also

  • 92 geordie157 // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    I think the Toivonnen link is nonsense, he’s good at holding the ball up and can drop back to help midfield, but there are much better options out there and probably for the same or less money.

    And if Toivonnen is 8mill, i’d rather pay 2mill more and get Dempsey who might be older but he’s proven prem quality, links play up well, good in the air, eye for goal and doesn’t seem to lose possession that often. plus he can play up front, on the left, right or behind a striker.

  • 93 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    Man City bid for Jack Rodwell accepted by Everton

    Manchester City have agreed to sign Jack Rodwell from Everton for an undisclosed fee.

    The midfielder, 21, will undergo a medical with the Premier League champions on Sunday.

    Rodwell, who is valued by Everton at around £15m, was last week named by Roy Hodgson in the England squad to play Italy on Wednesday.

    City are currently without Gareth Barry (hip injury) and doubts remain over the future of Nigel de Jong.

    See lads, it isn’t just us…just need somebody over the line

  • 94 Tommyy // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    Teams we will need to compete with for 5th will not be so inconsistent this season, that you hang your hat on. Again I’m not saying we won’t / can’t achieve it, just that I don’t think we will, and the many fans I know including some on this blog think the same thing.
    Not that it’s a bad thing, it’s just realism and it’s important to have it.

  • 95 geordie157 // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:47 PM

    Imagine Tav at centre back vs Stoke!

  • 96 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    Matty tav will move to rb I think once streete n good step up

  • 97 seantoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    Conaldo
    I’d swap Gerrard for Gosling, And Suarez for Ameobi. and Agger for Williamson. And Johnson for Simpson. We would be a title challenger then easily

  • 98 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    check the toastie

    we should ‘fcuk off the blog’? haha. that was imbecilic to say the least

    not bashing him but you must not have seen much of preseason. going forward he’s been incredible. defending, well, he’s been at fault for a good chunk of our goals against….or simply losing possession in horrible areas. he can defend on his day but when he’s off, he’s wayyyyy off. try watching some of the matches before you make a clown out of yourself

  • 99 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:49 PM

    Transfer sage @72

    Yes, but I was saying If we were to get 2 players, I’d rather pay abit extra to have them in earlier so they can get a full pre-season with squad. Davy didn’t say that it would be better to get 3 in later than 2 in early. He said it would be better to get 2 in later for a smaller fee, which I totally agree with. I’d just rather have the players in earlier if it was for an extra £1m. If it was drastically more them I’d be happy to wait.

  • 100 Tommyy // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    Agree with Santon, defensively he can be extremely suspect. That’s down to his positioning more than anything though. Fantastic going forward though and don’t know how he ever found himself at left back tbh, he’s a natural winger.

  • 101 JayToon4life // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    simmo playerd very poorly yesterday…was such a boring game til second half…I was sat with cardiff fans and still gave a good shout for the toon…simmo and obertan were constantly giving away the ball and misplacing passes…campbell is a star in the making but looks soooo small!! vuckic looked good at times, gosling was trying hard and prob him and collocini were the hardest workers for us yesterday…but the weather was perfect so at least one positive in there!!

  • 102 JayToon4life // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    and amalfitano looked like he was trying..he loked quite passionate about the toon, giving grief to santon when giving the b\ll away!!

  • 103 geordie157 // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    Knowing Everton they will spend the Rodwell money wisely, they may break into the the top 7 again this season.

  • 104 Kyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    Campbell is so small he’s going to be the English Messi.

  • 105 JayToon4life // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    we need to stick campbell in a grow bag asap and we will have the next shearer!!

  • 106 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    Surprised city have went for Rodwell tbh, he’s so injury prone. I’m pretty sure he was injured most of last season with a recurring hamstring problem. And if it’s recurring there’s not much they can do.

  • 107 Tsunki // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    One tiny little loss and everyone starts losing their MIND!! Ha ha. I know, let’s panic. Dear oh dear. Wait for the transfer window and full time saturday.

  • 108 Marty-Toon // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    Saying we will beat spurs after yesterday’s game is brave.
    I know they only have Defoe up front but with his pace Willo will need a5 minute start on him

  • 109 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    Campbell reminds me more of a young Bellamy type, without the chip on his shoulder – greased lightning over 10-15 metres. Has a stumpy powerful build too, his thighs are really bulky for such a young age, the opposite of Ferguson’s slight build.

  • 110 Kyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    We’re not going to beat Spurs if we play like we did yesterday. Also injury worries could be a huge blow. I think a defeat to Spurs will probably give a kick up Ashley’s arse to sign our targets maybe.

  • 111 renzo // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    i think the club are waiting to be in the group stage of europa league or get a great result in first leg of playoff, before they buy any more players. If (god forbid) we dont make it to group stage, then he will use just the youths as backup – btw adam campbell looked amazing in just 10minutes.

  • 112 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    Bellamy n Owen were tiny when they broke into first teams n Tevas ain’t that tall

  • 113 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:04 PM

    Everyone watching the community shield

  • 114 catchy in norway // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:04 PM

    you know what,

    for all you guys out there that think because we finished 5th we should lay off the weaker members of our squad,,

    simpson
    williamson
    obertan
    jonas
    r taylor
    shola
    perch

    these guys are great servants to our great club, but these players will never make our club great,

    these guys are holding back the progress of our younger more talanted players, all because there more experienced, the kids will only get experience by playing in real matches in the prem, these kids are raw tallant, not 25y/o+ players still living on potential,

    its been a shitty window, trying to bring players in on the cheap is great, and if we can do it then im all for it, but sometimes pay what the club wants, 6 or 7 million is peanuts for debuchy, a guy who will improve our team both defending and going forward, next season his price will double what we paid for him,,

    we have a team full of rolls royces and ladas

  • 115 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    Sorry, I know i’m singling out one player here, but you say players like Jonas are holding back the youngsters but then say we need to bring in new players?

    Jonas, whilst not always spectacular, works like a machine for the toon. For me, not one of the younger players would / can take his spot…yet.

  • 116 Tsunki // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:08 PM

    Catcjy a sweeping post full of knee jerk clap. Done it this time with that rationale just step back and ask how we will sign top reacements and how they will be happy on the bench. Picking one, Jonas ha ha ha you are daft .

  • 117 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:11 PM

    Ibiza

    Totally agree, but I don’t see him as much of a winger anymore, although pardew probably still does. I think if we don’t get Anita, Guti will play alongside Tiote which I have no problem with at all.

  • 118 Spuggy // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    Look without Cisse, Ba, Cabaye and HBA we are never going to be world beaters, but we’ve done well in other pre season games with the B squad, the balance of the team wasn’t right for this one.

  • 119 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    Super…I agree. Whilst he can occasionally do a job on the wing, I think he is now far suited to a CDM role. His experience and work rate is perfect for the position. Especially with Marv on the LW, it’s good to have Guti near LB to drop back and provide extra cover.

  • 120 Tsunki // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:14 PM

    Catchy I meant. Can someone else field that one I am a bit busy right now? Ibiza – you seem to be thinkig what I am, and you are a top OV official… :)

    Later

  • 121 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:14 PM

    Spuggy…I didn’t see the game, but can only assume the team just didn’t show up or took a while to wake up.

    It was a worthy exercise it it has given them a reality check that if you switch off, you will get slapped about. Hopefully they’ll remember that when we play Spurs.

  • 122 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:14 PM

    I dont like how the community shield is being played at villa park either. It’s not even one the best stadiums in the league anymore, 10-15 years ago it was. But now there are so many better stadiums.

    Obviously it’s because of the equal amount of distance to travel for both sides but the millennium stadium would’ve been a better choice.

  • 123 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    Tsunki…I will do my best. Not sure what else there is to say mind.

    Have a good one :)

  • 124 catchy in norway // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    jonas has been my fave player for us over the last few years,, but if watch, now he is all about running, very little end product to his game,

    in his position , his job is to create and help defend, when he came, he ran and created, prob not as much as he should, but his crossing has always been poor to good, but not great,
    now, he spends to much time defending, he just seems to run lengths of the pitch, good wingers dont need a lot of space to cross, he takes on to many, and loses the ball more often now

  • 125 Andymax // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:17 PM

    Rangers could loan up to nine players from Newcastle as part of a deal that will see Toon owner Mike Ashley taking a share in the fallen Scottish giants.

  • 126 darrenfletcher88 // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    Campbell looks a good prospect we might be going abit far comparing him to Rooney and messi, but it’s good to see the club giving young Geordies a chance,Anita in hopefully by spurs

  • 127 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    catchy…Hence why he’s been playing more as a CDM last season. I wouldn’t read too much in to him being played differently preseason, I think this is more Pardew accommodating other players, therefore pushing him on the wing or a CAM.

    He does a lot of running, supporting both defense and attack, that is why he is so valuable to us right now imo.

  • 128 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:20 PM

    Catchy

    If you watched him at the end of last season in the CDM position then he was the unsung hero during that good run. Like I said I don’t see him as a winger anymore but alongside Tiote in a Defensive midfield position I think he and the team plays much better.

  • 129 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:21 PM

    darren…he seems to be getting a lot of attention and accolade from other managers too. Get the feeling he may well turn out to be a cracking player and not just when viewing with the black and white tinted glasses either.

  • 130 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:21 PM

    Are some of you forgetting how old Campbell is ? , you dont stop growing till you are 21 FFS

  • 131 catchy in norway // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:22 PM

    ibiza,

    i think he is one of pardews golden boys,

    CAM hmm vuckic , gael bigogigigig , goslin, all beter in that positiong and younger and fitter will get more out of them

    vuckic in the box yesterday, great liitle cross with the outside of his foot,, we got a pen,

  • 132 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    Him playing CDM also allows Yo to get in a more lethal position. I see this as our strongest line of attack, although I don’t think it’s Pardews main choice, due to the fact I see him playing Cisse and Ba together a lot.

    ——Tiote—–Guti——-

    HBA——-Cabaye——Marv

    ————Cisse/BA———-

    For me, that’s as good as any other in the PL. Hard working, strong, talented and provides a real goal threat, as well as two defensive minded players.

  • 133 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    Catchy

    There are 7 players there in your list.

    Please list seven suitable 1st 11 replacements from our development players to be credible

  • 134 rainrix // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    Here we go the football slog starts again.

  • 135 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Hazard, Ramires and Mata is a scary midfield 3 like

  • 136 catchy in norway // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:26 PM

    id go with most of that, but abied or gael in jonas place

  • 137 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    catchy….Looks like we are in fact on the same page (ish) then :)

    So we can agree Guti isn’t holding back our youth then in a CDM role?

    I’m hoping Vuckik avoids any lengthy injury and get’s some run outs. He certainly has potential, just needs a decent run. Same with Gosling.

    Bigi is younger and has time to be integrated slowly. Looks a cracking player mind.

  • 138 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:28 PM

    Catchy

    So your saying against a top4 team we should replace a hard- working pl player with an untried youngster who has never played in the PL before? Definitely not.

  • 139 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    Catchy…Whilst impressive, I don’t think they’re ready to be normal starters. Maybe by the end of the season, but for now should be used for rotation, injuries, cups and some Europe games.

    There is plenty of action for all the squad this season. Each man will be important this season, so I guess we should all get behind them, even the ones who we’re not so keen on.

  • 140 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:30 PM

    Big pappa cisse this Chelsea team that starts today got beat of Brighton 3-1last week do u think there world is falling apart like ours haha

  • 141 SpaceGhost // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    REMEMBER THIS? Pre season in 2011/2012 campaign :
    Darlington (a) 2-0 WIN (2nd goal by Sammy that caused a pitch invasion!)
    Sporting Kansas City (a) 0-0 DRAW
    Orlando City (a) 1-0 LOST
    Columbus Crew (a) 3-0 WIN
    Leeds United (a) 3-2 LOST
    Fiorentina (h) abandoned after 63 min due to heavy rain
    Seven days after that game, we held Arsenal at home to an impressive draw. By that time we have lost Nolan, Barton, Enrique, Routledge, Campbell & Kuqi. No one gave us a chance. No one gave Pardew a chance.

    It is incredible how many of us have their eyes wide shut. The Silver Fox knows exactly what he is doing. The crazy formation last nite was design for a reason. I for one do not believe Colo or Tiote is injured. Red herrings all day for AVB till this Saturday. I too, underestimate Alan’s capabilities before. I’m not going to make that mistake again.

  • 142 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:32 PM

    check the toastie

    How about you stop acting like a 10 year old and engage in normal conversation. Christ, engage your brain.

  • 143 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:33 PM

    City playing 3 at the back? Is a change of formation upon us and the league?

  • 144 catchy in norway // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:34 PM

    MagpiesFlyHigh

    so you dont think that
    vuckic
    abied
    goslin
    gael big
    ferguson
    tavernier
    Amalfitano
    sam ameobi
    and now young campbell

    i would not just make my team around these players, thes players all have great abilty, and seem to impress every time i see them,

    left wing, fergy gets up and down, just the sasme as jonas, but he attacks much better, is quicker

  • 145 Conaldo (The Wizard) // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    Where would this team finish?

    ——————-krul——–
    Santon —Saylor–colocini—Jonas
    ——————–tiote———————
    –Ben Arfa——cabaye—–marvueax
    ——————– Ba—-cisse ———–

    Then anyone we bring in will only improve/strengthen for Europe.
    I really think we could easily get through a season with no new signings if we use our players properly,
    Europe /cups

    ———————harper———–
    Simpson—–Williamson –tavernier—-raylor
    –amalfitano — abeid—- bigi ——sammy
    ——————-obertan—-shola——–

  • 146 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    Catchy

    I rate all of those highly, but they shouldn’t be starting PL games yet.
    You forget ferguson is injured atm and is tiny. He may be quick and nippy bit he’ll be muscled off the ball easily by defenders.

    And Jonas is a defensive midfielder, not a winger

  • 147 catchy in norway // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    super magpie

    why on earth not??

    if he is good enough, see what he is made of, these kids have no fear, and thats the same for most clubs not just ours

  • 148 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    But*

  • 149 woodsee // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    Off footy for a minute RIP wor Sid Waddell,the Lynemouth lip the best sports commentator along with Stuart Hall bar none

  • 150 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    Catchy

    1) He’s injured for a few weeks
    2) He hasn’t got physicality to play in the PL yet
    3) Jonas does so much for the team that you don’t notice
    4) Throwing a young player in the deep end isnt the best thing to do

  • 151 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    Rodwell to City then eh, another promosing English youngster that will spend the majority of his time on the bench. Well money talks I suppose

  • 152 catchy in norway // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    jonas will never ever be a DM, he carnt tackle that good,

    and yes while ferg is injured right now, size does not come into it, he has shown already he can handle it,

    big defenders hate small nippy players, fact, they would rathere play against a player that will battle it out with them

  • 153 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:42 PM

    Catchy

    When Manure brought in their youngsters and won everything in sight they did not suddenly drop seven players and play seven youngsters with less than ten EPL starts between them.

    None of your players has sufficient experience to start a 38 game season. In fact would you play ANY of them against Spurs and Chelsea in consecutive games ?

    Get real

  • 154 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    this community shield shows just how far away we actually are from the ‘big boys’.

    still, no reason we shouldn’t be aiming for fourth…

  • 155 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    It’s because we keep playing Williamson and Simpson. They need selling immediately, otherwise we could get relegated this season.

  • 156 dave 1961 // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:48 PM

    MagpiesFlyHigh
    you forgot to add the premier league was not as good as it is now, if man u tried the same now they would also fail we have came on a million miles since that man u team.

  • 157 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:49 PM

    Now my day is complete. With Willo and Simmo we could get relegated. Brilliant.

    So far off the mark, it’s not even worth discussing.

  • 158 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:50 PM

    Catchy

    Jonas is a CDM. :)

  • 159 check the toastie // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:50 PM

    Conaldo – spot on with that team, plus the 2nd team, nice sides and spot on with us being able to compete decently with those players, still think we cud improve considerably with a little bit of investment by Fatty.

  • 160 rainrix // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    Ha loving the grief hazard is getting :)

  • 161 dave 1961 // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    almost every game williamson plays he make an error that leads to at least 1 goal scoring chance so if krul can’t prevent it we loose. we all know what we need and apart from maybe 1 over enthusiastic poster all fans are reasonable, no one wants to return to the olden days, now Ashley has a new billboard our sale could come sooner than he had planned.

  • 162 check the toastie // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:54 PM

    I agree with Ketsbaia in one way, Simmo and Willo could definately play for a relegation threatened side, Simmo is defo that poor, Willo does a job if Saylor is injured as he is the only other person at the club who is capable of heading a ball away from our own box. A major failing in our squad. Need Douglas or the like, quickly.

    Can i just say if our Captain is injured for a decent period of time we are in deep shit.

  • 163 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:54 PM

    @ Rainrix

    Yeah but did you see the skill before he cocked it up ? , that boy can play :)

  • 164 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:56 PM

    It’s not. It’s realistic. Even if Man City had all their star players, but 2 pub players in defence, they would get relegated.

    I’m better than Danny and Mike and I’m not even a defender. I can’t believe they made it as pro’s.

  • 165 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:56 PM

    Also I think our away kit looks nicer than City’s. Anyone agree ?

  • 166 rainrix // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    Haha that had me laughing. I can already see he’s going to go down easy all season. Talent player but a bit of an egotistical tw*t ;)

  • 167 rainrix // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:58 PM

    Cisse… Ours is a lot nicer the yellow on man citys strip just does not work ;)

  • 168 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    @ Ketsbia

    Of course you are m8. I take it you get payed 20 grand a week then ? :)

  • 169 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 12, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    Bring back Jean-Alain Boumsong. Much better than Mike.

  • 170 Spuggy // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:00 PM

    We have 3 weak defensive positions:

    Willo – Good in the air with back to goal but lacking pace and not a great tackler. Nervous with ball at feet.
    Simmo – Some great positional sense when he’s defending the box, fairly sound no nonsense FB, but lacks quality with ball at feet and not good offensively.

    The lack of quality in Simmo and Willo with ball at feet and passing ability puts us straight under pressure again time after time. We need players with pace and passing ability in those positions.

    Santon – Great going forward, but does it at times when he should be back in position. Cost us goals last season. However, very young and a good technical player with room to grow.

    In theory, we need 3 defenders to form a solid defense. Anita can play LB so he could be used again tougher opposition when they have quality RW. Otherwise Santon should do a good job.

    Far too many times last season were we caught out with the ball over the top route one footy. We need to fix that with pacey CB and RB with technical ability.

    That’s before we even start worrying about our attacking flair.

  • 171 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:00 PM

    Kets….Out or respect to you I will just sit here and chuckle to myself and let you have this one.

  • 172 catchy in norway // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:01 PM

    super

    no he is not a CDM

    thats like saying beardo is our goal keeper cos he played there once,
    he will do a job, but there are players in our squad that would do a better job,,

    and another thing

    perch, he is just a player with championship experience , we bought him from forest , panick every time he goes over half way
    obertan
    not even a man u reserve, yet walks into our first team last year and played more than 10 games,

    what would our kids have to do to get a start, and why dont you trust them?

    that roman and gael both had cracking dseasons last year for there old clubs, why arnt they good enough?

  • 173 check the toastie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:01 PM

    Kets – think Simmo and Willo played most of last season so your relegation idea doesnt really stand up. As much as im not Simmo’s biggest fan, i think he could be carried by Man City’s other players, i mean Gareth Barry is………

  • 174 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:01 PM

    @ Kets

    You truly are deluded like. What little respect I had for you has just gone right out the window with your last few coments

  • 175 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:03 PM

    Catchy agree with you the younger lads are good enough

  • 176 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    I say out of respect (actually I didn’t I said out or respect :) ), but the truth is I can’t stop laughing enough to type a suitable response.

  • 177 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    KETS = WUM
    Catchy = WUM

    Funny how the most stupid comments on here get the most responses and totally block out the 90% sensible banter.

    No wonder you got banned from that other website.
    As for your comments about being a better player than Willo or Simmo…

    Now which EPL side did you fail with ?…
    Don’t recall your name on any teamsheet.

  • 178 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    So the latest rumour hitting twitter is debuchy has signed today

  • 179 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    Catchy…I think the young kids are good enough, but not to be week in week out starters. They certainly should be used this season and a fair bit too, that’s why I’m not so worried about transfers. A mix of our current starts and promising youth will take us quite far I think.

  • 180 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    davyb

    The young lads are good enough…just not all at once, week in, week out

  • 181 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:06 PM

    Catchy

    Who says I don’t trust them?
    I’d feel more comfortable with Jonas playing instead of Bigi ( as much as I rate him.)

    In a couple of years time I can see Bigi starting ahead of Jonas but ATM in time, I don’t think he’s ready.

    Also, Jonas is much better at CDM than he is on the wing, so his primary position IMO is CDM.

  • 182 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:06 PM

    spuggy

    i think it’s been mentioned innumerable times that, frankly, anita is not a very good LB, nor is he being bought for LB. He is a DCM and is being considered only as a DCM to fit into a formation that pards clearly wants to see take shape this season.

  • 183 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    MFH….Great minds think alike? Yeah, let’s go with that :)

  • 184 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    Imagine if Chelsea had someone like Cabaye in to replace Lampard

    ——–Cabaye————-Ramires———

    —-Mata———Oscar———-Hazard—-

    ——————–Torres———————-

    Not trying to sell Cabaye or anything but we are along way off the top 3 like

  • 185 check the toastie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    Catchy- Perch didnt put a foot wrong last season, and i personally would trust him playing RB all season, think he would come on leaps and bounds, maybe even threaten the England squad, good in possession, technically sound and a determined defender and tackler, he was superb last year.

    If you are still calling him a championship player you have lost the plot.

  • 186 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    Forget that it’s some knob on twitter thinking he’s clever as most of them on there do

  • 187 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    Ibiza

    Aye :-)

  • 188 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM

    Get Big Pappa! Beat him senseless!

  • 189 check the toastie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM

    Rodwell to Man city, another young English player willing to spend most of his time sitting on the bench collecting his mega wages. Bad Move for the lad, good move for his agent no doubt.

  • 190 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM

    Magpie if everyone has the attitude of am to scared to play them we will never know, Rooney had talent but unless moyes give him the chance we would never of known how good

  • 191 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM

    my valuation of the kids on the fringe:

    vuckic – great player in the making but feel he needs a season in the championship where he can plant his roots and get first team football every week

    sammy – not so sure. could go either way and honestly i need to see more. could be a first teamer just as much as he could need a loan or steady integration

    abeid – ready for first team

    bigi – steady integration. still very young. 20 appearences in the first team and he’ll be a starter in a year or two

    fergie – see sammy

  • 192 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    Chelsea 1-0 Man City

  • 193 check the toastie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    Bog Pappa, why would Cabaye playing for Chelski even go through your mind, stop those thoughts, they are simply wrong.

  • 194 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:13 PM

    @ Check

    I agree with you there m8. If we dont sign a RB this window I would definitely play Perch over Simmo like. Simpson seems scared to have the ball for more than 3 seconds without wanting to get ridd and he gets no more than 2 crosses in a single game

  • 195 catchy in norway // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:13 PM

    check the toastie

    i think its you thats lost the plot

    if there was a poll on here for perch at right back, yes or no

    more nos than yeses, im sure of that

    he dont go over the half way line, and sorry, but any club that wants to make top 5 , have to have solid lb/rb that both attack and defend

    put in some good tackles last year, but not a dm

  • 196 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    Davy

    I’m all for playing the kids. Just not in the PL week in week out. In the cups and Europa league then I would agree.

    Chelsea down to 10 men, ivanovic sent off.

  • 197 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    Well it is safe to say the season has started :) , cracking game like

  • 198 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    Ivanovic off that’s him banned for our game

  • 199 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:16 PM

    The only goal Simpson scored for us was supposed to be a cross against Forest.

    People say we need to keep him because he’s good at goal-line clearances. It’s a joke.

    We’ll get beat if Coloccini’s out and Simpson and Williamson are in the side. We shouldn’t be in this position. The key players should’ve been signed (i.e. Debuchy and Douglas).

    We missed out on the champions league last season because we didn’t sign a centre back and left-back.

  • 200 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:16 PM

    Does this mean that ivanovic will miss the game against us? That’s if the FA don’t lift the suspension.

  • 201 check the toastie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:16 PM

    Big Fights on now boys Freddie Evans and then Anthony Joshua, switch on and see how young english athletes can dedicate themselves just for a piece of history rather than their pay packet, loved the olympics and the people competing, makes some of our prima donna footballers look like real a55holes.

  • 202 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:16 PM

    Magpie not on about playing 7 at a time but I would no problem with tav or abeid starting a match in the prem

  • 203 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    So Terry and Ivanovic could be suspended for our game.

    They’re looking really thin in defence. :)

  • 204 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    Magpie it does mean that

  • 205 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:19 PM

    @ Ibiza

    I take it back, please don’t hurt me :) . But if he does have another great season with us and we fail to get into Europe he might want to join his m8 Hazard at Chelski. But we will sign his best buddy Debuchy and they can take us into the Champions League ;) .

  • 206 check the toastie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:19 PM

    Kets – agree

    Catchy – Perch can be improved upon (debuchy), however you were still calling him championship, that is a nonsense and is based on what exactly. I agree though, in that he is no starting DM.

  • 207 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:20 PM

    Chelsea are going to win the league this season. Man Utd could do a Liverpool. Don’t rate them at all.

    We are doing well financially, so what’s wrong with spending £20-30m?

  • 208 north_country_boy // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:20 PM

    Don’t think we need to waste money on Anita – we’ve got more than enough cover in there with Cabaye, Tiote, Gosling, Abeid, Bigi, Perch, Vuckic and Amaltifano…we need a full back, centre half and young forward and we will be fine for the season then to fight on al fronts…im sure we’ll get players in before the end of month…just need to be patient…even if we have a poor start the season is a marathon not a sprint and wil have plenty of time to catch up once the new signings bed in and our big players are back and match fit…don’t worry – be happy!l

  • 209 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    Perch is like Raylor

    useful to fill in the odd game but you dont want them in the side for a long run of games.

    It’s impossible to sign players if there clubs dont want to.

    From what debuchy said we had a few agreed them lille changed their mind and asked for more. No wonder deals aren’t being completed if clubs are doing that.

  • 210 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    We need all 4 chap. Anita will be a great addition to the squad. Who knows, we might even be able to get £2m for Simpson and Williamson.

  • 211 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    Big Pappa…The damage is done mate. I wish there was a way to go back, I just can’t see it ;)

    Right, I am off. Enjoy your debate and Sunday.

  • 212 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:24 PM

    kets

    chelsea will be challenging no doubt but man utd will too. They always manage to be near the top, they have added kagawa and have vidic back soon so they will be near the top.

    I think a clear top 3 of manchester clubs and chelsea

    Then you will have newcastle, spurs, liverpool and arsenal (maybe slightly ahead of the rest) fighting for 4th.

  • 213 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    I like Abeid and I think he’ll break into the first team. He has good composure on the ball and will only get better when he’s learning from Ben Arfa etc.

    Has Scharner signed for Hamburg yet? We could do wth getting him in before the Spurs match.

  • 214 niafron // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    Bonjour messieurs.

    Excellent question Ed.

  • 215 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    Davy

    If Cabaye was injured, I would Play abeid. But if it was a PL game and I had to choose between cabaye or abeid then I would choose cabaye.
    I’m not saying we shouldn’t play our younger players. Im trying to say that if I had the choice I would choose the more experienced player.

    However, in a years time, when they have progressed I would play them instead of the likes of Simpson and willo. Because I honestly think by that time good and tavernier will be on par or even better than those players,

  • 216 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    Hahahahahahahaha

    We’re doing well financially, why not spend £20-£30m ?

    Hahaha, oh my. It really is easy to spend other peoples money isn’t it.

  • 217 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    Nice to see footy back isn’t it?

    After all the positive press over the last few weeks the Olympics has had, for normal people achieving great things with humility, dignity and integrity, in 45 mins of a supposed friendly named ‘The Community Shield’, we’ve seen millionaire mercenaries diving, surrounding the ref indignantly protesting and the fans chanting ‘wanker, wanker…’ for prolonged periods. :D

  • 218 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    Davy b

    I’m with Matty @191

    I’d use Abeid as the new Guthrie

    Bigi for 10-20 games

    Same for Amal/Good/Tav

    I do not think you can bring in more than 4 youngbloods per game.

    Some like Campbell need to be impact subs.

    Now if Pards is moving to a squad rotation system then yes they’ll all get 10-15 games this next season.

  • 219 dave 1961 // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    north_country_boy
    we did not seem to have enough cover at Cardiff is OK to play kids if you bring them on one at a time, even when the so call big four do it in the cups they often loose and get knocked out.

  • 220 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    Rather spend a bit, than struggle and possibly get relegated.

  • 221 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    Side note -

    Campbell is so small it’s ridiculous. Hope he’s got some muscle on him.

  • 222 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    I think we all know what’s coming in the 2nd half.

  • 223 niafron // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    Was surpised last year to see how easily we could collapse in a matter of minutes.

    At Fulham, Wigan, Norwich or Tottenham…

    It could happen once in a season, but so many times for a team who ended at the Fifth rank of the league, this hard to believe.

  • 224 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    What do you guys think about that red card?

    Easy decision for me. Straight red, no doubt.

  • 225 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    Kets

    I have lost all hope for you. You just confuse me so much yet the stuff you say actually makes me laugh. :D

  • 226 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    @ Ketsbia

    Shoot, why not spend 600 million and we can be like Manchester United :)

  • 227 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    Lovely to see the 2 weeks of positive press the Olympics has gained, for normal people striving for and achieving greatness, displaying humility, dignity and integrity, making way for 45 mins of football in which the millionaire footballers dive, swear, surround the ref indignantly protesting and the fans direct chants of ‘w*nker, w*nker…’ at him too. Lovely :D

  • 228 pardews plan B // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    @sage man u are living on their rep. Teams are scared of them when most of their players are sub par or over the hill. Fergy and fear are the only things that have kept them in up there for the last 2 seasons at least.
    Their midfield has to have been one of the worst in the top 10 places last season.
    They don’t have a single truly world class player in the squad (some have the potential nani shows it sporadically and rooney does it for the last 12 games). vidic is their best consistent player and he had a long injury spell.
    They’re lucky they dropped out of the cl early last season cos they needed not to play extra games.
    But i agree they’re still top 3 because of fear, Fergy and 8-10 decent games

  • 229 bills-son // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    Ed, why do we keep collapsing?

    Because we changed from the 442 that took us unbeaten at the start of last season. That’s why.

    In those first 10 games Guti and Obertan worked their socks off tracking back to cover the full backs and Ba and Best (especially) were closing down defenders. We played a high back line that compressed the midfield and allowed Tiote and Cabaye to get plenty of the ball.

    As soon as we went to 433 we looked more attrective but we were also more vulnerable. Playing HBA and Ba out wide didn’t give anywhere near the defensive flank cover that Oba and Guti gave. If we play that system this year I fear we’ll be on the end of some big defeats again. That’s why we are after Anita, only Tiote of the first team midfielders really has a physical presence and we need more battle in that department.

    The other big change in the team came when Santon took over from Raylor at LB. Guti pushed further forward on the presumption that Santon could defend. He cant. I can still remember Santon’s home debut against Swansea with both him and Guti constantly in their half and acres of space down the left of our defence. It didn’t take long for oppo teams to see that weakness.

    Pards has to find the right balance between fielding our 11 best players and the best team formation. That’s what he’s paid for and if he gets it right we’ll be top 7 again IMO.

  • 230 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    TDS

    Straight red, no doubt about it.
    I have a funny feeling they’ll appeal and the FA will lift the ban, just because it’s Chelsea and they’re the luckiest Tw@s in football.

  • 231 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    niafron

    I think it’s maybe because our defence relies so heavily on Tiote & Cabaye infront of it. If they’re off their game, we seriously suffer.

    Simpson & Santon are both prone to getting caught out, and while Colo is an incredible reader of the game, his lack of pace means he’s not great at dealing with balls over the top. That game against Fulham, at least 3 goals were long balls overhead.

  • 232 Spuggy // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    Dutch football ?@football_oranje
    Anita set to sign for Newcastle after today’s game. Versatile player for the magpies! #nufc

  • 233 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:37 PM

    @ TDS

    I’ve said this before and I will say it again reguarding Campbell, you don’t stop fully growing till you are 21. Sometimes it is better to let a young man naturally fill out rather than shoveling steaks down his mouth :) . Take Neymar for example, he weighs about 8 and a half stone dripping wet and I bet Campbell is close to that if not more now

  • 234 north_country_boy // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    Yeah i agree Dave…don’t think you could play them all together but if either Cabaye or Tiote were missing for the did game or two then hopefully one of them could slot in and do a job especially against the lesser teams in league…the only way they learn to play in this league is do just that. I just think that bringing Anita in will stop them coming through and we’ve seen enough from most if them to suggest they could do s very good job…just think the midfield area is the least of our problem areas so if we’ve only got a certain amount to spend then it would be a waste.

  • 235 newcastle29 // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    @Spuggy do you follow me on twitter? @newcastle29

  • 236 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    http://eredivisielive.nl/video/71083-de-boer-anita-is-dichtbij-een-akkoord-met-newcastle.html

    Anyone translate Dutch? The title quotes De Boer: “Anita is close to an agreement with Newcastle.” :D

  • 237 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    I bet that all the confusion over pre-season is because Pards is going with a more systematic squad rotation next season.
    He said he’d play Ba centrally and we all thought back to 4-4-2 but what if he’s sticking with a basic 4-3-3 (mutate to 4-5-1 for those crowded midfields) and wants two top quality starting DMs i.e. Tiote and Anita.

    We have enough wingers (or players who can pay on the wing) and the youngsters can fill in more frequently.

    Pards picked his strongest 11 most every time last season and was reluctant to change players, but this season is totally different. We need two full top quality starting 11s mixing experience with youth to get the right balance.

  • 238 niafron // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:42 PM

    @TDS

    Well, if i remember, msot of the goals we conceded in such games came from counter strikes.

    So this team got a real tactical problem. We got a very bad cover.

  • 239 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:42 PM

    BPC

    Oh, I have no problem with his size – I can’t remember which player it was, but someone once said it’s far far easier to knock a big man off the ball than a small one!

    Just hopefully his core strength will improve in his late teens/early twenties. If it doesn’t, we’ll just have to shove him full of steroids ;)

  • 240 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:42 PM

    Big pappa

    Well said. Its the attitude of ‘he is too small’ which has meant England have so many big players but we lose as we have so few technical players as they are too small.

  • 241 Spuggy // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Feredivisielive.nl%2Fvideo%2F71083-de-boer-anita-is-dichtbij-een-akkoord-met-newcastle.html&act=url

    Translated the title. :-)

  • 242 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    TDS
    Red card was correct all day long that ivanovic is a filthy fcuker

  • 243 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    niafron

    I think we get a bit cocky sometimes. For instance, when we went 1-0 down at White Hart Lane, we need to sit tight and stay strong for 5 minutes. Instead, we go chasing the game and get caught out again, immediately.

  • 244 Spuggy // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    Even de boer is saying he’s close to signing so this rumour has legs!

  • 245 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:45 PM

    Toure is a fcuking machine like :)

  • 246 niafron // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:45 PM

    And also a problem of ball control. To many losses against the opponents defensive first line.

    We also attack in a too much direct manner. Combined with our bad cover, it result in too much space between our lines.

  • 247 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:45 PM

    1-1 , great goal by Toure

  • 248 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    Why are none of you taking notice of the above link? It’s De Boer, on camera before Ajax’s match today, appearing to say Anita is close to signing for us and today will be his farewell game for Ajax!

  • 249 bills-son // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    If De Boer is saying Anita is closer to an agreement with us you have to believe that is the case. A manager is hardly going to say that if its not true.

  • 250 Spuggy // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    My thoughts too Ruddy. The Ajax manager says Anita is close to signing for us and everyone ignores it lol.

  • 251 Robby Bobson // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    Finally Anita is coming….hopefully can come straight in for saturday

  • 252 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    Transfer Sage, BPC

    I hope you didn’t misunderstand me. Size isn’t an issue, but you need some core strength. Messi, Modric, Silva, they’re some of the smallest players in top level football, but they’re very very hard to muscle off the ball.

    If he can use his low centre of gravity to his advantage, then his size will be anything but a hinderance.

  • 253 niafron // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    This team got a valiant heart but lack of tactical discipline.

    Ahah!

    Typical english football!

  • 254 bills-son // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    Ruddy – magic mate, well done for flagging it up and getting it translated.

  • 255 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    Ruddy, Spuggy

    Hahahaha. There’s so much crap posted on here I rarely pay attention. That is so so funny.

    We all clamour for signings and then ignore one, hahaha.

  • 256 woolerbill // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    we need a captain like tony adams, He was the best at keeping the defence tight. We need a quality c/half and a r/back

  • 257 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    So we’ve agreed a fee, and are close to agreeing terms?
    And after Ajax’s game today he will fly in and sign for us?

    It’s only took 3months. :)

  • 258 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    I hope cabaye can become our talisman.

    Yaya toure, Gerard, messi, shearer etc are that kind of player. When they are on the pitch the rally the team around them and grab the game and dominate.

    You never see these players shy away even when the task looks impossible. I think that’s partner the reason we had so many big defeats.

  • 259 Spuggy // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    Anita in – Great! Should add some much needed steel with Tiote our only tank atm.

    CB and FB and we should stop leaking these crazy goals.

  • 260 @timuJ // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    so we’ve agreed a fee for anita according to sky sports

  • 261 Brutooon // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    i do agreed that Simpson and Williamson are CHAMPIONSHIP players

    We could be champion last season if we got a good right back and a good centre back

  • 262 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    Some players can actually be very muscular and still be effective ala Hulk (HULK SMASH) and Micah richards but if Messi or Neymar went on the Atkins and started pumping Iron would they be better players ?

  • 263 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:51 PM

    Wow

  • 264 toon6toon // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    Sky sources
    newcastle united agree fee with ajax for anita

  • 265 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Saylor? Before he was injured our defense was tight and we never suffered heavy defeats.

    Chelsea 1-2 City
    Tevez with another fantastic goal for city.

  • 266 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    north country boy

    i think you’re looking too much into the face value of anita being ‘just another cm’

    if there is no one else in this window we get, we should all be ecstatic with anita. no one player we’ve been linked with could transform our play as much and as well as he can and hopefully (pending he signs!) will

    ……anita…..tiote…..
    ……….cabaye………
    HBA………ba/marvs
    ………cisse/ba……..

    a FB and or CB will just be icing on the cake and i think we’d be in with a real shout to replicate last season

  • 267 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    TDS

    I was just commenting on English football in general. That’s been our problem for years.

    People blame the influx of foreign players as why the national team are poor but we were useless in 70s and 80s so that’s rubbish.

    Simple thing is we do not coach the kids properly, all sport is technical and cannot be won with jut size and strength.

  • 268 Magpies-till-d3ath // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    This guy’s leaving for definate! http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/7983149/Rennes-slam-Brahimi

  • 269 Spuggy // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    If we land Anita I think it will be a huge signing – Ajax were so desperate to keep hold of him which tell you how good this lad is. I’d rather buy player that clubs dont want to lose a la Debuchy, unlike VDW who isn’t getting his contract renewed.

  • 270 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    BPC

    Unless you haven’t read my last post, you misunderstand me (;

    I don’t mean strength as in size and bulk and ridiculous muscle mass! It’s more about balance and learning to use your low centre of gravity to your advantage.

  • 271 niafron // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    Got to go lads.

    Haut les coeurs! The first game is only a week from now!

    Au revoir messieurs.

  • 272 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    NCB

    What if Anita is in to bring on youngsters like Bigi around him. If we do go to squad rotation then we’ll need two top class DMs then bring on youngsters alongside them

  • 273 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    I can see City winning 4-1. It would make my day, I absolutely despise Chelsea, they’re fans are absolute scum and the club itself is just a P*sstake.

  • 274 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    Agree on Saylor being commanding.

    But I also mean a player who when He is in the side players just think they can win over anybody.

  • 275 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:55 PM

    Anita fee agreed, great news :D

    Didn’t see the game yesterday but the result and from what I’ve read is a great wake up call for us going into the new season

  • 276 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:55 PM

    Transfer Sage

    But the problem we have now is that people expect us to revolutionise our coaching methods in a matter of months.

    I keep hearing people saying “Well last year we were meant to have made big changes in our coaching system – but England are still rubbish!”

    It took Spain 20 years – and they were already ahead of us! It’ll take a lot of work and a lot of time.

  • 277 nicktoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    Get in! Finally some good news! Let’s just hope he agrees to our terms- fingers crossed…… However, does anyone else feel that a cb and fb are higher priorities! I mean this article shows that we have had nightmares at the back- need a strong cb! I honestly feel Douglas would be out most important signing. Still happy with this news though!

  • 278 Spuggy // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    Anita is not just a DCM – he’s dutch, which means he’s technical and great with ball at feet. Tiote does a lot more than just break up play.

    Exciting times to see a midfield three of Anita, Tiote and Cabaye – WOW!

  • 279 geordie157 // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    3-1 city

  • 280 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    Chelsea 1-3 Man City :D :D :D

  • 281 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    City will walk the league this season, the Chelsea back four look slower than Shola with a calf strain :D

  • 282 jimmymagpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    Fee agreed with Ajax – personal terms being discussed. Llambias and Charnley in Amsterdam. Fingers crossed!

  • 283 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    @ TDS

    yeah your right about core strength, its just alot of people on here say “oh he needs to beef up” but dont actually realise you can look small but be like a pitbull when defenders try to shove them of the ball

  • 284 geordie157 // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    3 good goals, was Mancini moaning about not signing anyone a pre season pep talk?

  • 285 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:59 PM

    MFH

    i think you’re slightly misinterpreting the point of anita. i could be but i think i’ve got it right…he’s not here as another DCM option, he is wanted to play WITH Tiote. An integral cog, not a backup or in for rotation. I really think pards wants him, tiote and cabaye all playing together

    this sounds too good to be true…an enforcer, a deep-lying playmaker with an incredible understanding of the game and a technical creator

  • 286 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:59 PM

    And Anita’s looks like he’s signing. :) :) :)

  • 287 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:59 PM

    I can’t see wages being an issue with Anita tbh

  • 288 Spuggy // Aug 12, 2012 at 2:59 PM

    Nice to be signing a non-french quality player lol.

  • 289 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    jimmy

    The thought of Lambias in Amsterdam is a worrying one mate ;)

  • 290 rainrix // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    Great news about anita. As he’s had a full pre season he should ba able to slot straight in.

  • 291 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:01 PM

    Mancini whinging about not being able to sign anyone. Do City need to ? :)

  • 292 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:01 PM

    Chelski management still dominated by dressing room prima donnas.
    Wheels will fall off.
    Doesn’t matter how much money you spend. Only as good as the driver/navigator…and Mancini is good, very good… but is Di Matteo up to the job long term ?

  • 293 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    YES!!! just saw the news on SSN

    i honestly think I’m more excited than when cisse arrived!! and i’ve wanted him for years!!!

    this is f***ing fantastic news!!

  • 294 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    Also I expect us to have allot more possession if we play 4-2-3-1 with Tiote and Anita and fewer hammerings to boot

  • 295 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    matty

    We’d have the makings of a really successful 4-2-3-1. I’m thinking Mascherano and Alonso at Liverpool – one destroyer and one deep lying payer to control the tempo and retain possession. (I wont pretend to be an expert on Anita, but from what I hear that’s the kind of player he is)

    Obviously, Alonso is also a great playmaker – but that’s why he’s arguably the best CM in Europe (;

  • 296 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    TDS

    It’s the first time that wage negotiations will have been conducted in the Red Light District ;)

  • 297 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    TDS

    I am under no illusion it is a 15 year job. Expect to see gradual improvements and after 10 years we should have a new style of play on the clubs followed with us reaching the peak in 15 years.

    I don’t understand why it’s not taught in lower leagues

    Spend some money on a good continental coach or getting your coach that sort of experience then bring the kids through like that.

    You get good play and move up the leagues and if needs be sell a couple for a tidy sum.

  • 298 BelfastMagpie87 // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    F****** Yes !

    Finally! lol

  • 299 nufc_eire // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/7985165/Toon-strike-Anita-deal

  • 300 check the toastie // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    About fcuking time. Now move on to get Douglas from Twente and then off to France for Debuchy and Remy, then off to the toilet to crack one off.

    Should only take another 3 months to agree personal terms.

  • 301 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    i wanted* cisse that is

  • 302 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    MagpiesFlyHigh

    To think that fool actually fired Mourinho. It’s laughable. I bet Roman would sell his wife to have Jose back now!

  • 303 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    Matty

    I agree that Tiote, Anita and Cabaye is what we want as starting 11 and have posted that b4. I am not saying he will only play in s strict player rotation. What I’m saying is that rotation becomes much more of a possibility with another bluechip DM and a talented youngster alongside.

  • 304 Spuggy // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:05 PM

    And he’ll be in in time for our spuds game!!! Especially if Tiote is out.

  • 305 toon1707 // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:05 PM

    Fee agreed fot anita from ajax on sky sports

  • 306 Spuggy // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    SSN yet to agree personal terms. Will be great to have cover for LB too.

  • 307 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    Tranfer Sage

    I think there’s a problem in grass roots football which comes from the competitiveness of our culture. At young ages, it’s very easy to win if your all your players have a few inches and pounds on the opposition.

    I guess it just stems from there really. We’re more interested in winning than we are in enjoying the football itself.

  • 308 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    Ajax kick-off their season at 15.30 against AZ, searching for a stream so we can all mole Anita with our eyes :D

  • 309 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    Haha have you heard the City fans

    “John Terry he’s a racist, he’s a racist” :)

  • 310 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    “I don’t want to talk about my future,” he told Canal+. “I heard what the chairman said. The transfer window is open until September 4 (in France). I still want to go. We will see.”

    Quote from Debuchy

  • 311 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    just think guys

    the majority of us have scoured every outlet for nearly six months. let’s enjoy this.

    ahhhh…..

  • 312 Spuggy // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    FB and CB now. I could live without a striker if we are willing to throw Campbell or Ranger back in so long as we sign one in Jan or next summer.

  • 313 JAMSHA // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    another overrated signs for fools haha.. I pitty on my frnds how exicted they are about joe allen :-)

  • 314 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    and the Olympics ends today so Pards was right again

  • 315 toon1707 // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    I have never seen Anita play can anyone who has tell ne is he better or worse than any of are current midfield of Tiote Cabaye Ben Arfa and jonas

  • 316 Kyo // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    Anita will play alongside Tiote so Cabaye can be set free going forward. He’s quality.

    We’ve agreed a fee. WOOHOO!

  • 317 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    TDS

    Competition is important, removing it from a lot of school sports is silly. Kids know the score even I’d nobody officially keeps count.

    The problem is that coaches take it too seriously. They will pick the tall, fast kid so they have a chance of winning for their own ego.

    What you want is competition in Kids but for coaches to see the bigger picture and not think they are amazing as they won an under 11 league but didn’t actually develop the skill of the kids.

  • 318 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    toon1707
    http://www.thefirstrow.eu/

    found out for yourself in about 20 minutes :D

  • 319 Sholadona // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    @JB I think we need to do more deals in Amsterdam! Take the Lille chairman over there and see if we can get him high enough to accept a Debuchy deal! :D

  • 320 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    Jack

    No convinced on debuchy being desperate to leave.

    If he was desperate to go he would have submitted a transfer request by now.

  • 321 darrenfletcher88 // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    Finally some good news,a international player with European experience coming to the toona, tiote,cabaye,Anita,omg

  • 322 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    Would be shocked if Anita was to play this afternoon tbh

  • 323 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    Oh dear pantillomon. :/

  • 324 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    JB

    He’s starting, De Boer said this is very likely his farewell game.

  • 325 geordie157 // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    Big Pappa, yep i heard he chants, he’s seriously in decline now. I hope he is never seen in an England shirt again.

  • 326 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    Hmmmm just got interesting, awful from the kepper like

  • 327 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Does this mean Jonas will be the ultimate utility player from now on.
    Another FB anyone ?

  • 328 archaeomag // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    Anita is not a name you associate with football . . . it makes me think of Dobson…

  • 329 geordie157 // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    Anita news is great, fingers crossed we can get this concluded early next week.

    So Cabaye 4mill, Tiote 4mill and Anita just over 6mill. Liverpool Joe Allen 15mill.

  • 330 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    santon rb jonas lb?

    have seen good and bad from jonas at the back….guess same could be said for santon. would be very attacking though

  • 331 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    @Sholadona you could be onto something there mate ;)

    @Transfer Sage – He has said on numerous occasions that he wants to come, even Cabaye has said that he wants to come, I still believe we’ll get the deal done whether it’s this summer or in January

  • 332 JAMSHA // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    VURONNNNNNNNNN ANITA WC TO SJP :-)

  • 333 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    Transfer Sage

    That’s more what I meant, yeah. Nothing makes me more confused than school sports where they don’t keep score haha. It’s absolutely ludicrous. Kids know when they’re getting hammered, they’re not all stupid.

    But athleticism is so much more important at young ages, when the kids with brains and ability haven’t fully developed and learnt the game yet. So the kids with the brains get shoved aside.

    It’s not JUST an English problem though. There’s the famous story about the Barcelona scout who returned from Argentina with the news that “The kid Messi is a wonderful player, but he’ll never make it as a professional at that size”.

    Granted, he has had treatment from a growth problem – but it’s not like he’s sprouted an extra foot ;)

  • 334 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Ruddy – Really surprised at that mate, if the lad picks up a serious injury the deal is dead

  • 335 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Toon 1707

    Lets just say I would take him over Joe (I cant pass forwards) Allen any day of the week. Also he is less than half the price :)

  • 336 thud and blunder // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Great addition to the team, top player.

    But as Sky are reporting, why would he be playing a farewell game for Ajax today?? Doesn’t make any sense in case he gets injured!!

    Hmmmm

  • 337 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Jack

    Theres the difference. He has disrespected hi club saying he wants to leave many times.

    Yet he won’t submitted a written request as he will lose out on bonuses if he does. Which suggests that he isn’t totally desperate to leave.

  • 338 magpie6699 // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Yes – hope his terms and medical are OK and he can join the squad asap. Is he a buddy of Tim\’s ?

  • 339 geordie157 // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Get Anita done, then move for Corchia or Cissoko.

  • 340 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Oh yes nothing like a signing to lift the mood

  • 341 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Matty

    Yep, that sounds good. What did he play for Argentina was that RB ?

  • 342 thud and blunder // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    he is playing!!! EH!! why the hell would that happen, unless the fee has just been agreed. Would be our luck that he gets injured.

    Probs see him get subbed at about 50mins…clock watching that game!!

  • 343 GeorgeNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    Yeah he played right-back for Argentina :)

  • 344 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    Well Ajax don’t want to sell so if he gets injured and we pull out of the deal they wouldn’t be too bothered.

    Would be n excuse to keep him.

  • 345 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    MFH

    yep, though i wouldn’t exactly say he stood out there defensively

    but hey, this could be a reintroduction of the entertainers….we’ll just plan on scoring more than them…

  • 346 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:22 PM

    Transfer – Unfortunately thats common practice in modern day football.
    M’Biwa said recently that he see’s Newcastle as a stepping stone to him joining Ac Milan??????

    Thats disrespectful to his current club and ours

  • 347 hatem786 // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    anita is coming now plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz get debuchyyyyyyyyyyyyy

  • 348 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    anita’s a beast! cut from the same cloth as Mr T!!!!

    (i hope!)

  • 349 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    Matty

    We might be more attacking but that helps defend.
    Keeping the ball and using it well starves the opposition of possession and allows you to pin their team in their own half defending against you.

    It’s what barca do, so when they lose the ball the night have only 1 or 2 back but the opposition are just deep in their own half.

  • 350 Kris // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    SSN reporting we have agreed a fee for Anita.. But didnt they reporting some weeks ago that we have agreed a fee for Debuchy too? We should take it with a clype of salt..

  • 351 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    Gotta laugh at John Terry screaming at the Ref and Lines men, well they are dressed in black after all ;)

  • 352 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    Jack

    I have no problem with mbiwa saying that.

    He is right, we are a step up but we are not European elite so it’s a fair comment.

    Better than a player who says he moved as he loves the club and it is a dream come true to move on a year later when he gets a better offer.

    At least he is honest.

  • 353 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    TDS/TS

    wee men ??

    Messi
    Zola
    Maradona
    Aaron Lennon
    Nobby Stiles
    Romario

    George Best was a massive 5ft 8

  • 354 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    Kris

    The Ajax manager said it. He’s hardly going to lie.

  • 355 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    I for one am not to fussed about Anita playing today like. He is going to be alot of travelling and settling doen to do in the nort east and will not have alot of time to train

  • 356 ToonDownSouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    MFH

    Aaron Lennon? That’s an insult to the others in that list! :D

  • 357 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    Kris

    Sky sports said we made an improved offer for debuchy, not that it was accepted.

  • 358 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    Transfer – Sorry mate but thats were we disagree, we are not a stepping stone for anyone no matter who they are or how good they think they are, you see it as honesty i see it as disrespectful

  • 359 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    Down rather

  • 360 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2012/08/12/newcastle-united-agree-fee-for-ajax-s-vuron-anita-72703-31608204/?

  • 361 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    Matty

    NOOOOOOOO.

    I’d rather concede ten less and keep the goals for ..than concede ten more and score ten more…nerves…

    I think as Jonas has slopwed down he’s become a better ball winner…hence the DM performances last season. and he’s a grafter..

    Trouble is if yer 1-0 down you need to score 2. if its 0-0 then one will do

  • 362 mattnufc // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    Anita woo

  • 363 Transfer Sage // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    Jack

    We are a stepping stone though.

    We are not challenging for silverware at all never mind on a regular basis.

    It’s arrogant to think we should be seen as the pinnacle for any player.

  • 364 mattnufc // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    lol at the chronicle

  • 365 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    TDS

    Aaron Lennon scoreed that crackin late goal for Spuds against us two seasons ago at SJP.
    He’s inconsistent but can really turn it on

    And he’s 5’5″ which was the main reason he got on the list

  • 366 toonLYF // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    Anita is so much better than Joe Allen, when will Liverpool realise? Embarrassing for them, but funny.

    Buzzing about Anita hope there’s confirmation today.

    ———————-Krul———————-

    Debuchy—-Taylor—–Coloccini—-Santon

    —————-Tiote——Anita—————-
    ———————Cabaye———————

    Ben Arfa————Cisse————–Remy

    WOW.

  • 367 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    I thought Ashley wasn’t interested in buying anyone, only got his eye on Rangers? Also, the Olympics aren’t quite over, so Llambias is still busy.

    This story can’t be true, unless people on here talk balls. Which I don’t believe can be the case.

  • 368 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    @ Jack Butler

    You have to take into consideration footballers want to win things and will move on to do so. Why would a player with no personal attatchment to the club stay just for the sake of it. Its different when you are a local lad ala Shearer and a die hard Toon fan but don’t forget there is a limited playing age in proffesional football and although you may be rich if you have not won anything you will be slightly dissapointed

  • 369 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    Frank de boar has deal is basically done

  • 370 mattnufc // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    Of course we are a stepping stone; we haven’t been in champions league for almost 10 years, and therefore haven’t been a great side since.

  • 371 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    Juninho
    Arshavin
    Brian Flynn was 5’3″ I think (okay but I’m Welsh)

  • 372 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    I think van der Weil won’t b to far behind Anita through the door

  • 373 euanpolo // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    No joke the first thing I thought when I woke up this morning was ‘we’re going to sign Anita today’.

  • 374 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    Vdw playing cb for Ajax today n Anita playing rw

  • 375 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    If any player came to the Toon who wanted to play for Barca, Madrid, AC Milan then I’d not be too offended.

    Anybody who wanted to play for Liverpool or ManU or Chelsea then I’d be very p’d off

  • 376 Super Magpie // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    Ibiza

    Haven’t you realised that llambias isn’t in Amsterdam to tie up the Anita deal. It’s all just a ploy.

  • 377 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    Maybe my love and loyalty is clouding my judgement, but M’Biwa isn’t good enough for AC Milan by his own admission but yet he wants us to take him on, coach him, improve him, basically make him good enough for AC Milan and then sell him so he gets his dream move?
    Sorry but I want a player who wants to play for US and nit use us to get a move else where, but as I said my judgement may be clouded by my loyalty

  • 378 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    Ibiza
    Dont forget pards has been told he cant make any signings by llambais and he has to make do!
    Bit embarrasing gor a few of the lads from yeaterday like!

  • 379 toonking // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:40 PM

    anyone feel confident enough to believe this is a deal for certain or could SSN be just trying to cause the spirit to drop so we don’t interupt the top 6 this year.
    i checked on nufc website and nothing is there.

  • 380 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:40 PM

    Right, get VDW nabbed too :)

    Cracking goal.

  • 381 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    haha!

    Van Der Wiel with a stunner! yes, please!

  • 382 lukes26 // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    Securing Anita is MASSIVE. It means that Cabaye does not have to sit as deep & will justify my selecting him in my Fantasy league.

    Anita is very very good. he’s actually very similar to Joe Allen in that he doesnt do anything special, just doesnt make mistakes and is very good defensively.

  • 383 GeordieAnt // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    Anyone watching the Ajax match? Van der Wiel just scored a stunner…absolutely amazing goal

  • 384 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    Super…I’m not buying it. Ashley and Llambias don’t care, don’t want any new players and want us to get relegated with Simmo and Willo in defense. They’re cheap and wont take us to the next level ever.

    Anyway, I’m off out…could tomorrow be the day we get our smiling Pardew photo?

    Take it easy

  • 385 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    Any links for the Ajax game?

  • 386 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    davyb

    both of them are playing in their usual positions (RB and CDM)

  • 387 GeordieAnt // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    @JB http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/66151/2/ajax-vs-aznl-live-stream-online.html

  • 388 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    Fine, you let yourselves get excited. Ashley will show his true colours soon enough :)

    Ashley Out, Pardew’s a Puppet, Ibizatoon has nothing good to say!

    Bye

  • 389 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/135183/1/watch-ajax-vs-az.html

  • 390 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    GeordieAnt thanks mate :D

  • 391 rainrix // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    Toonking… That is really paranoid thinking mate. Lay off the green maybe?

  • 392 Carl92 // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    Any links for the Ajax game???

  • 393 GeordieAnt // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    No bother mate

  • 394 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    Davyb

    Where the hell are you getting the idea the’re playing those positions? They’re in their usual spots.

  • 395 k // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    COMPLACENCY

  • 396 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    Oh vdw scores a stunner now u all want him haha

  • 397 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    It was off my sky sports app on the team line ups

  • 398 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    davy – I thought we were already reported to be interested in vdw?

  • 399 nufcjohn // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    How do chelsea get to play man city in charity sheild if they finished 6th in league help me lads

  • 400 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    Chelsea won the FA Cup nufcjohn

  • 401 toonking // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    charty shield is FA cup winners v premier league winners

  • 402 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    Van Der Weil has scored

  • 403 alkinou // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    ANITA VERS NEWCASTLE. Vurnon Anita va vraisemblablement quitter l’Ajax Amsterdam pour Newcastle. “Nous sommes très proches d’un accord”, a reconnu Frank de Boer, le manager du club néerlandais, sur Eredivisie Live. Plusieurs médias annoncent que l’Ajax a accepté une offre de 8 millions d’euros des Magpies pour le latéral international, âgé de 23 ans. Le joueur est attendu en début de semaine pour passer sa visite médicale et signer son contrat.

    Don’t know if this has already been posted. De Boer saying they’re very close to a deal and that he do his medical beginning of the week

    http://www.eurosport.fr/football/transferts/2012-2013/liveevent.shtml

  • 404 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    this is a really good ajax side…

    their LB looks fantastic

  • 405 davybtoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    Jack we were but the other day no one wanted to know about him not as good as debuchy was all anyone was saying nowt like a screamer to change their opinion

  • 406 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    ANITA TO NEWCASTLE. Vurnon Anita is likely to leave Ajax Amsterdam to Newcastle. “We are very close to an agreement,” acknowledged Frank de Boer, the manager of Dutch club, on Eredivisie Live. Several media announce that Ajax accepted an offer of 8 million euros for the Magpies side International, aged 23. The player is expected early this week to pass his medical and sign his contract.

  • 407 LEROI // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    I’m not even in the slightest bit worried we lost to cardiff in our final friendly. 1. we didn’t need to win pre-season is for fitness and team building only, 2. we always lose our last friendly it’s a toon tradition and 3. i don’t think pardew’s instructions were to give 100% i think it was more like go out play some football, don’t dive in todaft challenges and don’t overstretch yourselves.
    I still think we will make 3 signings before the end of august. Pardew hasn’t been told work with that squad at all stop being so bloody gloomy man.

  • 408 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    Sorry my stream is miles behind!

  • 409 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:52 PM

    davy – I understand now mate, the power of a goal eh;)

  • 410 toonthompson // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:53 PM

    http://www.vipbox.tv/watch/66151/2/ajax-vs-aznl-live-stream-online.html

    stream for the ajax game and in english

  • 411 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    I apologise for my ignorance, but who was the Dutch player we have been linked with that is reported to have a stinking attitude???

  • 412 toonthompson // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    jb is it douglas

  • 413 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    Has Mike Ashley forwarded on the cost of Vurnons flight to the mackems?

    Also I hate Twitter! Lots of Chelsea fans and doom mongering geordies saying this is Tiote on his way. Get to fcuk! Anita is the next step in our evolution.

  • 414 Beattie25 // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    It could also be van Der weil with the attitude problem.

  • 415 bucktoon // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    Read the blog often but havent added a comment for a while. Makes me laugh reading some of the comments from people moaning about lack of signings. These are the same people who moaned last summer when we didnt sign a striker, then praised the board when Cisse signed in Jan. I’d rather only get Anita and nowt else than sing players for the sake of it to appease the fans.

  • 416 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    toonthompson, no mate not Douglas, he was involved with in the Dutch euro squad?

  • 417 BelfastMagpie87 // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    Whys he playing,if we agreed a fee?

  • 418 mattyNUFC // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    JB

    VDW :/

    he doesn’t seem a very humble kinda guy

  • 419 JackButler // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    I think it was VDW, said to have had issued with the Ajax dressing room and in the Dutch dressing room

  • 420 Zebras4Life // Aug 12, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    Espn reports it’s official that Anita fee has been agreed!

  • 421 Kazzy // Aug 12, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/7985165/Toon-strike-Anita-deal

  • 422 toonking // Aug 12, 2012 at 4:03 PM

    beattie25
    just ask them if how they feel about simpson while we get debuchy if they respond saying that won’t happen. then you can say well you proved to your selves that player like anita coming in does not mean first teamers will leave.
    that will shut them up

  • 423 fog on the tyne // Aug 12, 2012 at 4:06 PM

    Me nd the wife just had lunch in horsley, northumberland. The gent sitting on the next table but one looked familar and it turned out to be a certain mr pardew. Feeling rather nervous i asked him how he was? The reply was he was ontop of the world as he had just had the the best news he’s had all summer. I asked what but he said he’d be shot if he let slip.
    Might be reading too much but i wonder if we have someone else sorted also, or if he didnt realise ajax have released this statement!

    HWTFL

  • 424 Ian Toon // Aug 12, 2012 at 4:19 PM

    A Dutch friend is at the Ajax v. Alkmaar game and he tells me so is Carr. Ajax lead 1-0 after about half an hour with Van der Wiel the goalscorer. Also playing in CM for Ajax is Anita who went down injured about 5 minutes ago he was. Able to play on . The game is being shown tomorrow at. 09.00 on ESPN . Just wonder if we have not finished with seeking Ajax buys? Sorry if I have ruined the Whingers afternoon.

  • 425 karasu // Aug 12, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    we really shouldn’t do best player polls when we lose games anymore. especially for heavy defeats like this one. it’s like asking us who’s the best of the worst and no matter who you pick, you’ll always end up with a stinker.

  • 426 Ian Toon // Aug 12, 2012 at 8:09 PM

    Football is all about opinions. These are subjective beliefs but it seems to me that many posters are not really in a position to form an opinion. Why does Carr look at a player so many times before he
    decides to recommend them? You have to look at the big picture
    when deciding whether someone will fit in. It seems to me that
    as we approach a new season we should have a clear idea who we see
    featuring and those that have the potential to feature . Pardew rates
    Santon very highly – not only because he bought him but because he sees him in a role within the team he is looking to remodel. It’s all about balance and structure. Let’s have less simplicity and negativity because. far too many fans are embarrassing themselves. Or is it just attention seeking. I have said it before and I’ll say it again Jonas( if fit) will start against Spurs. Pardew knows he can rely on him to do a
    Job. Raylor had Jonas to thank for making him look good in the early third of the season. Jonas is unselfish and dependable the work horse that we need particularly to nullify Spurs wide players .




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