Is Debuchy Next Through The Door After Anita?


Tim Krul is exactly one year and one day older than Newcastle  transfer target Vurnon Anita, and Tim has played with Vurnon through the  Dutch youth sides,  ever since they were both in the U-15 National side.

Newcastle goalkeeper Tim Krul knows Vurnon Anita

With the news out that Ajax and Newcastle have reached an agreement on the transfer fee for the 23 year-old Dutchman, thought to be €8.5M and the first time that has happened at Newcastle this summer for a senior player, Tim has openly talked about the holding midfielder, who can also play at left back.

This is what Newcastle’s Dutch goalkeeper Tim Krul said:

“I’ve played with him since the Under-15 squads. I think he’s ready for a move to the Premier League. His skill on the midfield and duelling is good enough for England.”

“I understood he has to reach an agreement himself, but I think we can use a versatile player like him very well.”

But Newcastle have ended whatever interest they had in Gregory van der Weil, because his wage demands are said to be far too high.

If the news is to be believed, then Newcastle right back target Mathieu Debuchy has already agreed terms with Newcastle, but Newcastle are around £1M off the fee that Lille want for their players.

But as we pointed out yesterday, if  we don’t bring in a  right back before the end of this transfer window, we’ll lose at least that amount on Danny Simpson, because he is in the final year of his contract and could be sold for at least £2M this summer, if a replacement right back is brought in.

The other way that can go with Danny,  is that he can sign his new contract, but that doesn’t seem likely to happen, and Alan Pardew has already said the club will sell him if he doesn’t sign his new contract this summer.

We have to think the logical thing to do is once Anita is signed, then go back to Lille with an improved offer, and hopefully get Mathieu Debuchy to Newcastle, and then sell Danny Simpson, all before the transfer window closes two weeks next Monday.

We’d love to see both Anita and Debuchy join Newcastle, and they would be excellent additions to our defense, which still seems to be our Achilles heel.

What do you think?

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58 comments so far

  • jayphoto

    Aug 14, 2012 at 8:52 AM

    Comment #1

    regarding debuchym, I think a player is only worth what someone is willing to pay… The fact that newcastle and Inter have both bid about 4m and gone no higher, could it be that Carr has recommended we pay no more than 5m? To be honest Debuchy isnt as good as everyone is making out, he gets annhilated when he comes up against pace and does get caught out of position, defending isn’t his strong point! Saying that, hes excellent supporting the winger and is very good with the ball, good with crosses etc, I think if Lille want 6m we could find better for that money!

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  • PortsladeToon

    Aug 14, 2012 at 8:54 AM

    Comment #2

    We haven’t even got Anita through the door yet, and ANOTHER Debuchy thread?? do we really need to do this all over again

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  • Indian Magpie

    Aug 14, 2012 at 8:54 AM

    Comment #3

    Repost

    i Think there are 2 values of a player

    1) Absolute
    2) to the club, carroll was worth abt 15 million, but was worth a lot to NUFC then 15 million, his goals were difference b/w relegation and surrvival.

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  • redondo77

    Aug 14, 2012 at 8:55 AM

    Comment #4

    repost

    AC 35mil transfer is different case.
    He was on top of his game at that moment, he was top goal scorer, everyone said that he was the hottest property in English football and the future of England. He is a striker, a striker has different value compare to defensive players or goal keepers.
    We did sold Enrique for 4mil, Nolan 4mil, Best 3mil, so AC is a special case.
    If you call NUFC hypocrites please explain how come we sold players like Enrique, Nolan, etc. so cheap?

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  • jayphoto

    Aug 14, 2012 at 8:56 AM

    Comment #5

    that wage ceiling by the way was Ajax’s, Anita hasn’t discussed wages with us at the moment! Heard somewhere that Ajax don’t go above 20k a week with wages when it comes to players who come through the academy but will go upto 40k a week for players brought in! My guess is anita’s wage demands are £30-40,000 a week??

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  • gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola)

    Aug 14, 2012 at 8:57 AM

    Comment #6

    PortsladeToon

    agreed…it will be hilarious if NONE of these two players get over the line….all that wasted time…

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  • iranianufc

    Aug 14, 2012 at 8:58 AM

    Comment #7

    we must sing Mexes he is on AC milan transfer list we dont need debuchy WE NEED A FULL BACK PLAYER MEXES IS A GOOD PERSENT FOR US

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  • 9

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:00 AM

    Comment #8

    Unlike gorgonzola, I believe Ed has called it exactly right. It’s only a matter of a few days before Lille come off their high horse, everyone knows Debuchy will wear black and white this season; the worst that could happen is if they hold out until January, but this I doubt. As the man says, Anita then Debuchy – good stuff!

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  • JDdubai

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:01 AM

    Comment #9

    1. Agree, why bring Debuchy up again when there is nothing in this report about him?
    2. Please Ed, realise that the wage cap was Ajax’s when they went back to them with a counter proposal, not ours. They havent even spoken to us yet according to Anita’s dad.

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  • Ian Toon

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:01 AM

    Comment #10

    Softly softly catchee monkey. Just calm down.

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  • Nick 69

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:06 AM

    Comment #11

    redondo – Jose Enrique was sold for £7mill actually not £4mill, and this was becuase he was in the last year of his contract and could have left for free at the end of season so we cashed in. Nolan was never worth more than £4.5mill, he was getting on a bit so that was a very good price for him. And Best, well he was hardly and world beater was he. We paid £1.5mill for him and got £3mill, so we doubled our money on someone who was very average

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  • redondo77

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #12

    Iranianufc

    Do you know why AC Milan is trying to sell Mexes?
    He is on 4.5mil/year wage. AC Milan is renovating their squad because they can’t afford to pay wages anymore, that’s why so many exodus during summer. Milan is the most loyal club to their players, even their players understand that and they say goodbye in good manners.
    Now you want NUFC to take Mexes? They can’t even afford to take Kaka back even on reduce weight to 5mil/year.

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  • pawl250

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:10 AM

    Comment #13

    This Debuchy is an opinion not a source or fact.

    Anita never demanded high wages as you said yesterday ed. The actual story is his improved contract offer at Ajax was not high enough and he expected more than their ‘wage ceiling’.

    The truth is no contracts talks have been negotiated at this moment between NUFC and the player as of yet. You stated this in your previous news article. Contradicting yourself in the process!

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  • Nick 69

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #14

    Iranianufc – Firstly,you say we need a full back then say buy Mexes, who is a centre back. Secondly, mexes is AWFUL, old, slow and made a lot of mistake for France in the summer. He’s well past it on on big wages. No thanks

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  • Rotonda heights

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:14 AM

    Comment #15

    I think I would prefer Corchia to Debuchy. Younger, cheaper, possibly better and faster version.

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  • redondo77

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:14 AM

    Comment #16

    I don’t understand why so many people wanted Debuchy so much. There are so many RB in the world, well maybe not as good, but there are also better or have potential to be better than him. So many act like we are in trouble if we don’t sign Debuchy.

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  • Munster Mag

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #17

    Surely after all this chase, debuchy is as good a defenser as Simpson. Whatever about his obviousn ability one the ball, and going forward, surely Pardew will not countenance buying a fullback who is not first a foremost a good defender. The Prem league is not a place for weak fullbacks – too many wingers and wing play, so a weak defender is easily exposed. Enrique ( 6mill i believe ) was a brilliant player, particularly because he could close out any winger who tried to take him to the byline. He’s still missed im my opinion – defensively better than Santon and had such a good link up with Guti.

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:19 AM

    Comment #18

    Also on AC, wasn’t it the dying hours of the transfer window? We would struggle to get a replacement? Liverpool had just sold Torres for £50m? Neither player or club wanted the deal to happen before this point?

    Apart from Carroll, who have we sold for over the top money?

    Look at Enrique as a reasonable comparison, not Andy Carroll. That was a deal you will rarely see.

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  • nico

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #19

    Pardew said last night that he couldn’t really discuss any information about Debuchy. I got the feeling that there maybe still something going on as to finally getting him. Hopefully.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #20

    Munster

    I would far rather have enrique back than carroll

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #21

    Munster…Except when he’s against Benny boy and ends up on his backside 🙂

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  • redondo77

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:22 AM

    Comment #22

    Debuchy or not, I’m happy with current squad.
    Santon will get better understanding of english game and he will definitely become better than Debuchy.

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  • jayphoto

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM

    Comment #23

    I like Corchia aswell, looked decent last year! Im shocked no one has taken on Benjamin Corgnet yet after dijon were relegated

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  • stu.toon

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:25 AM

    Comment #24

    @Redondo77We sold enrique cos he wanted to go, Nolan because he was old and best well he wasn’t exactly much use. Had the odd good day but wasn’t consistent was a championship player at best. Poor examples. Ok Aç was at the top of his game, but so is debuchy. He’s getting attention from big clubs across the continent. So if we can’t stump up an extra million when we took double what Carroll was worth then nufc are in fact hypocrites.

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  • jimmymagpie

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:27 AM

    Comment #25

    Paw – Anita’s agent was in talks with Newcastle yesterday. The player won’t travel to Tyneside until there is agreement on personal terms, and the talk is that there is still a lot to do on that front.

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  • Munster Mag

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:29 AM

    Comment #26

    I agree re Enrique v Carroll , and good point re Benny . Just put him in goal !! Incidentally i dont see Toon as being greedy as per other thread. Liverpool completely lost the run of themselves and wanted Torres out. They knew they would get just money, so when we asked for far more money for carroll ( presumably chancing our arm ) , they knew they would have that cash. Liverpool were just crazy, but at least they had the cash to play with . Whilst I feel we could have been more decisive in the market this summer, and therefore allowed Pardew more time to train and blend new recruits, we certainly sell well, and get good value. I dont think the last regime were bad sellers either ( cant remember ) , just terrible buyers. Can you imagine Deportivo nailing us over a barrell the way they did in the past??

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  • HullMag6

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:32 AM

    Comment #27

    Ed I hope you’re right bit i still think we’re light a cb and forward cover/options.

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:33 AM

    Comment #28

    Munster……There will be no more nailing over barrels these days, that’s for sure.

    I suppose Enrique’s versatility should of fetched us some more money 🙂 Clueless Ashley, didn’t know what we had!

    Anyone else at the q&a last night? Any points of interest? Pardew a tea or coffee man?

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  • HullMag6

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:33 AM

    Comment #29

    Ed I hope you’re right but I still think we’re light a cb and forward cover/options.

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  • redondo77

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:34 AM

    Comment #30

    stu

    We are not after any players with AC category, but the clubs think their players are AC category.
    It’s like Ibiza said it’s a deal 1 in 1000. If we are liverfool then Debuchy is already wearing black and white, but we are not. You can’t keep comparing everyone with AC, even HAzard also cost about the same as AC and the club who paid for that is Chelsea. We are not Chelsea or liverfool.

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  • redondo77

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM

    Comment #31

    stu

    We did pay big money for Cisse and Anita, so Debuchy must be not as good as everyone thinks.

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  • Oldgit1

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM

    Comment #32

    Can anyone verify what pards was on about with regards the TV deal for next year, I was under the impression that clubs would get more money esp with BT winning a part contract.

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  • redondo77

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:39 AM

    Comment #33

    It’s not like we are bidding Messi for 8mil, got rejected and called Barca overpricing.

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:39 AM

    Comment #34

    Cisse is a great Striker, Anita is a young versatlie midfielder. Both will always be valued higher than a 27 year old RB regardless of how good he is imo.

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  • Toon73

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:40 AM

    Comment #35

    If Carroll had banged in 30 goals this year everyone would be saying how much of a bargain he was and how astute Dogleash was in the transfer.

    History tells us another story…

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  • nico

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #36

    Ibizatoon – Back by popular demand
    I was at Pardew thing last night. Very interesting. One question asked if Usain Bolt was to ask to play for the Toon would Pards give him a chance.
    Pards said with a lot of humour ‘well he’s about the same pace as Gabby, wonder if he’s a better player’. All in good humour. Pards went on to say that Gabby was an excellent player, just gets affected by the crowds and lacked confidence. He wants to crowd to get behind him and cheer him on. He honestly thinks if this happens and he gets confidence he’ll be a very good player for us. So lets get behind him and cheer him on and give him a chance.

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  • Mark29Hungary

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM

    Comment #37

    ___________Krul
    Debuchy, Saylor, Colo, Santoon
    __Cabaye___Tioté___Anita
    _________Ben Arfa
    ___Cissé__________Ba

    Very good starting lineup…

    Subs: Harper, Simmo, Raylor, Marveaux, Jonas, Shola + one youngster (Bigirimana, Vuckic, Amalfitano, Campbell?, Sammy)

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Aug 14, 2012 at 9:51 AM

    Comment #38

    Nico…Thanks for that. I like Pardew, seems to know how to have a bit of banter and get his point across. I agree on the Obertan thing too, also been saying it for the past year (not claiming to be as knowledgeable as Pardew – as this is just common sense).

    For me, during games, each toon player should get the full support of all toon fans, 100%.

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  • stu.toon

    Aug 14, 2012 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #39

    Redondo mate, paying an extra million for a highly rated defender wouldn’t categorise us as a “liverfool” of “chelski” type team it’s like a little compensation to lille for taking a top player. And u seriously think we over paid on cisse? A striker averaging almost a goal per game at £9m is a steal not exactly overpaying

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  • Ian Toon

    Aug 14, 2012 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #40

    redondo77- Spot on. Unfortunately many fans have not bought into how we operate in the transfer market . It’s out there for all to see whether it be signing Good @ £ 350, 000- look how long from trial to signing. We are not inclined to take a punt on a player and we want value for money. Ashley sets the criteria not the fans. He has shown a willingness to push the boat out when he sees an opportunity which
    shows we have our finger on the pulse . Personally I love the way we
    operate because we are building on firm foundations . I welcome that I can see what we’re trying to do which in many ways is not that different from the way Wenger structured the playing side at Arsenal.
    Managers and fans always want just so many more players which the money men can’t afford.
    Ibiza- makes a good point on not drawing comparisons with AC which came about through most unusual circumstances- not the norm.
    Softly softly catchee monkey.

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