Sullivan Discusses Failed Carroll Deal – May Still Join Newcastle


David Sullivan has been interviewed in the Daily Mirror today, and he has opened up about West Ham trying to get Andy Carroll to West Ham, initially on loan and then doing a permanent deal, and he has even admitted West Ham didn’t have the money, and it would have been difficult financially for them – so why did they still want to do it?

David Sullivan Allardyce wanted to build team around Andy Carroll

The West Ham co-owner  admits the deal was very expensive, and using some of his words below “It was a terribly expensive deal with the loan fee and with his wages, which were enormous – too much for a club like ours .”

So our question would be that if it was too much for them, why were they still willing to go ahead with the deal and put their club in financial danger?

That’s one way to get any club going towards bankruptcy – which recently happened to one of the greatest ever Scottish clubs – Rangers – so it happens to any club, if  they are daft enough to continually spend money they just don’t have.

We continue to be amazed at the inept financial management of some football clubs – and surely they have to get real very quickly and start living within their means, before more clubs become bankrupt.

Here’s what David Sullivan said in the Mirror:

“I can only talk about this because it has been put in the public domain already.” “My manager wanted Andy Carroll, so we backed him.”   “Andy was the perfect player for him and the style of football we play.”

“We play a lot of high balls, a lot of crosses – quite exciting football (in other words the big boot down the middle), not just humping it but clever crossing – and Sam wanted Jarvis to supply the crosses because he is a fantastic crosser.”

“We had a deal in place with Liverpool to borrow the player which automatically became a purchase if we stayed up.” “We hoped, as he had the same agent as our manager – a man we had done a lot of business with – and he was very friendly with Kevin Nolan, our captain, that Andy would want to come.”

“But he really wants to stay at Liverpool. He believes that he will get back into the side by his performances – coming off the bench or for the reserves. He believes the manager will have to put him back in the side.”  “But it’s wrong to discuss what is in his mind.”

“Only he knows that.” “We were paying all of his wages and a huge loan fee. Newcastle didn’t even want to pay all of his wages.”  “This is what we are led to believe. So Liverpool were not prepared to let him go to Newcastle. But it may all change. Who knows?”

“It was a terribly expensive deal with the loan fee and with his wages, which were enormous – too much for a club like ours .” “But, as the manager really wanted him, we were prepared to pay it.”

“Then there was a huge transfer fee which would have blown our budget for several years.” “So, as we buy players, the door shuts.”

Newcastle didn’t even want to pay all of his wages” –  David puts it as though it was a really poor show from Newcastle, but perhaps our club are not as daft financially as West Ham are – that’s closer to the truth.

David was the one who went into great detail last January, telling the world what was in Demba Ba’s contract,  after Harry Redknapp had spilled the beans about that release clause, , and David said the striker would leave Newcastle this summer,  just as soon as some club came in with the £7M offer to match the release clause.

I’m pleased to say Sullivan was completely wrong on that one.

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110 comments so far

  • Conaldo (The Wizard)

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:16 AM

    Comment #1

    Thankyou ed. something to actually discuss. This should stop us arguing for about 15 minutes anyway… 🙂

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:16 AM

    Comment #2

    Bring back Jimmymagpie.

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  • BOOM BOOM THE 1ST

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:18 AM

    Comment #3

    we dont have to pay what the hammers do cause he wants to play for us not them .

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  • jayphoto

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:19 AM

    Comment #4

    to be fair to some ITK’s alot of the time situations change! I work in an industry where every now and then you hear things (in my case unfortunately its usually about stoke city or aston villa) and then those things don’t pan out! For example, Yacine Brahimi was at bodymoor heath about 3 weeks ago, 100% was there with Seydou Doumbia yet those transfers never happened! Problem is with ITK’s is that a lot of the time they jump the gun or put 2 +2 together and make 5, for example, both Eden Hazard and Debuchy visited our training ground last season, both spoke to Alan Pardew and both watched games at st James park! Anyone associated with the club, ie: catering staff, bar staff etc if they had seen them would have reported we were signing hazard, yet he was just there to meet cabaye and watch a game!

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  • BOOM BOOM THE 1ST

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:20 AM

    Comment #5

    shut ur bleedin trap conaldo or ill thump the face off u. ha ha any1 know where GEORDIE GERMAN is.

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  • Graeme

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:20 AM

    Comment #6

    He is where his greed took him; He is where he belongs.

    I truly hope he makes a huge success of his move to Luckypool as if it goes tits-up, he’s going to spend a long time on the scrap heap.

    I really cannot see NUFC paying the money Bindippers NEED to save face. They have been well and truly shafted and its really such a shame roflmfao

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  • Conaldo (The Wizard)

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:21 AM

    Comment #7

    Jail.
    Jimmy magpie left by his own accord. He can come back if he wants, he can stay away if he wants. He wasn’t forced off the blog, a few posters disagreed with his opinions and posts and the whole thing was blown completely out of proportion.
    I hope he does come back as his posts are usually quite good and insightful. However he can be extremely negative sometimes and there is no need for it.

    Anyhoo. I’m not even going to say I’m off as I’ve said it 4 times now, but au revoir.

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  • BOOM BOOM THE 1ST

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:22 AM

    Comment #8

    please jay dont please dont.

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  • jayphoto

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:26 AM

    Comment #9

    Think its the worst kept secret in football that carroll has already told his agent he would be prepared to go back to Newcastle! Think for the record he would have been a success at west ham, allardyce plays to carrolls strengths! Problem is I don’t give big sam past christmas whilst ‘arry’s outta a job! Promotion or not, west ham fans can’t stand Allardyce, personality or football wise! They have a team of championship standard players and it will be a tough season for them as the other promoted sides have better teams and have both spent wisely too! Along with Villa, Sunderland and possibly swansea i think they’ll really struggle!

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  • magpiebop

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:27 AM

    Comment #10

    Who’s going through early on saturday to lube the auld vocal chords?

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  • Conaldo (The Wizard)

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:27 AM

    Comment #11

    I know a lot of people probably won’t know who he is, but does ketabaia remind anyone else of Karl Pillington.

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  • Conaldo (The Wizard)

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:28 AM

    Comment #12

    *Pilkington

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  • BOOM BOOM THE 1ST

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:29 AM

    Comment #13

    they are spending money and have signed two Carr targets in Alou Diarra and Modibo Maiga they will do ok but the fat man will defo be looking for a new club yet again hes making a fortune in compo.

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  • Novocastrian66

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:34 AM

    Comment #14

    I miss the ITKs. They stimulate conversation, even if it was posters disagreeing with their claims at times. Nowt like a bit speculation and gossip.
    Andy Carroll will not be in any hurry to move on from Liverpool. They’re stuck. He’ll be after a big fat loyalty bonus.

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  • jayphoto

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:35 AM

    Comment #15

    Kets reminds me a bit of a porn bot! the kind that pop up on your MSN messenger and type the same thing over and over again!
    Pretty sure he just recommends who gets good on football manager, tbf, that game have a pretty good record of getting scouting right when it comes to young players who get good, remember Kets claiming he spotted Hazard playing 3 years ago and also recommended we sign Yaya Sanogo’o and Ganso! Always get the impression he’s never seen the players he recommends

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  • Griff-toon

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:35 AM

    Comment #16

    I have used over an hour to read all the posts and when im finally finished im too tired to make å good post. So I will say one thing. Im glad we didnt whant to pay all his wages, because they are too high. Goodnight 🙂

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  • Novocastrian66

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:37 AM

    Comment #17

    Conaldo. If nobody knows who he is how can he us of someone?

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  • G

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:39 AM

    Comment #18

    Back to the story, so WHU don’t have the money for AC. Business must be a bit slack in the Porn industry these days I take it. That reminds me, must ask the missus for my credit card back!

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  • Novocastrian66

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:41 AM

    Comment #19

    Correction.
    Conaldo. If nobody knows who he is how can he remind us of someone?

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  • jayphoto

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:44 AM

    Comment #20

    really suprised we’re not in for M’baye Niang, we must have scouted him a 100 times with the amount Carr and co spend in France! he’s available for €9 which is about £6.5m! He’s only 17 to be fair but this lad has already played near on 50 first team games, his physique and pace make it possible for him to look in place in professional games! Think he’s going to be a future global star!

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  • Novocastrian66

    Aug 15, 2012 at 12:51 AM

    Comment #21

    Seems to me that there was a total conflict of interest with this alleged deal. Who is looking out for the interest of the club here? The manager? I very much doubt it. BFS very keen on the deal. I bet he was. Probably a drink in it for him if it was concluded. Then West Ham would be left with a player they couldn’t afford. If Andy Carroll agreed to move I wonder if the WHU board would have mortgaged the whole club or pulled the plug?

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  • AMEOBI

    Aug 15, 2012 at 1:36 AM

    Comment #22

    Sullivan is a class one eejot.. Why would you break the clubs books to sign one player just to suit their play?
    Would love West Ham to get relegated next season, hate that club!

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  • mattyNUFC

    Aug 15, 2012 at 2:50 AM

    Comment #23

    anyone think Royston Drenthe would be a good shout? I know he plays wing a lot but he’s play FB a large part of his career and although he wouldn’t offer much defensively, he’d offer more going forward than any other FB we’ve been linked with

    …wouldn’t necessarily have to put him at FB either. I think he’d impress anywhere (LW, RW, ACM, FB, maybe even as a second striker)

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  • BmoreToonFan

    Aug 15, 2012 at 3:38 AM

    Comment #24

    Tell us how you really feel, Ed 🙂

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  • BmoreToonFan

    Aug 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM

    Comment #25

    Tell us how you really feel Ed 🙂

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  • Zebras4Life

    Aug 15, 2012 at 3:51 AM

    Comment #26

    Man w RVP heading to ManU. Can’t help to think how nice Chicharito would look in the black n white

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  • Dannyo

    Aug 15, 2012 at 5:28 AM

    Comment #27

    SO, West Ham would do a hugely expensive deal, one which could stop buying players for several years…
    Sullivan is an utter idiot.
    Support the manager by all means, but not to the clubs bankruptcy.
    We didn’t want to pay all of his wages, cause they’re enormous at this point and we KNOW how far we can stretch on certain deals.
    Just splashing cash first and going to the bank after to check if that was ok to do…
    Daft.
    No planning, no structuring – administration.

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Aug 15, 2012 at 5:48 AM

    Comment #28

    Simple Arithmetic !

    He may want to come back to us but will simply have to take a huge Pay-Cut to do it ! He left us for big money and is i think stuck where he is, i will be extremely surprised if he comes back anytime soon!

    Maybe he should look for a move to Italy or Spain, although he is hardly Barca or Real Madrid class is he?

    As for the Hammers? well such an stupid transfer, would surely have them in administration before next season!
    W…….K……RS !

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  • redondo77

    Aug 15, 2012 at 5:54 AM

    Comment #29

    We should leave AC alone, we all know the club can’t afford him. We should go for cheaper options if we really need another striker as backup for our main strikers. Backup shouldn’t be expensive players, because we are not chelsea or mc or psg.
    There are many options like Macheda or Bebe from manutd, Piazon of chelsea, Longo or Livaja of Inter.

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  • redondo77

    Aug 15, 2012 at 6:02 AM

    Comment #30

    Lucky we have Pardew not fat sam as manager. Pardew understand the financial situation and works with the board to manage it. Fat Sam doesn’t give a damn, he wants players that the club can’t afford and still can’t bring good result.

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  • redondo77

    Aug 15, 2012 at 6:10 AM

    Comment #31

    Regarding Inter bid for Debuchy, it’s BS. Unless Inter is selling Zanetti or Maicon, Chivu, Nagatomo, Jonathan or Ranocchia. All of those names are more senior than Debuchy and better players.

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  • karasu

    Aug 15, 2012 at 6:12 AM

    Comment #32

    i’m starting to get frustrated at the lack of senior players coming into the club. no center back, no striker, no full back. are they perhaps playing their hand a little too cautiously? we have been haggling non stop with people like twente, ajax and lille for guys like douglas, anita and debuchy starting to get tired of all these rumours that never seem to become reality.

    haggling and haggling until clubs are irked at our hard handed approach. couldve sealed debuchy for 6m and now we are forced to go for anita for 8.5m if they would just resign to paying a FAIR market price (not like 10-12m luuk de jong) once in a while after having their bluff called.

    bottom line is, we need bodies. and we need it now.

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  • redondo77

    Aug 15, 2012 at 6:14 AM

    Comment #33

    Karasu

    Debuchy and Anita worth the same in pound and euro.

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  • redondo77

    Aug 15, 2012 at 6:21 AM

    Comment #34

    Luuk de Jong asking price was 18mil

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  • redondo77

    Aug 15, 2012 at 6:28 AM

    Comment #35

    everyone wants more bodies and senior players in, what about Barton, Bramble, Scharner, Bassong, Dunn? They are all senior 😛

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  • karasu

    Aug 15, 2012 at 6:38 AM

    Comment #36

    No they weren’t. Debuchy at one point was available for 6.3. We are currently dishing out 8.5 for Anita when Lille shut the door on us for trying to rip them off with under 6 for the Xth time.

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  • redondo77

    Aug 15, 2012 at 6:44 AM

    Comment #37

    karasu

    debuchy is in pound, anita is in euro. both asking price are the same, 8.5euro (+/- 6.3pound).
    Anita is much better than Debuchy, that’s why the club elect to pay for Anita.

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  • Constanstine

    Aug 15, 2012 at 6:48 AM

    Comment #38

    West Ham didn’t seem to learn anything from relegation and the fact that no one should ever spend big cash for a manager like Allardyce. Would love to see West Ham and QPR going down this season.

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  • redondo77

    Aug 15, 2012 at 6:53 AM

    Comment #39

    after looking at NUFC first team, you guys are right. Our squad is incredibly thin, 3GK- 10DF – 11MF – 4FW. We need about 10 or 15 players more.

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  • Marty-Toon

    Aug 15, 2012 at 7:06 AM

    Comment #40

    Cardiff beaten in the cup by Northampton so I hope we don’t get Northampton in the cup 😉
    Lol

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