Brendan Rodgers In A Bind Over Carroll And Big Bad Newcastle


Brendan Rodgers is getting frustrated by Newcastle trying to take Andy Carroll on loan for the season, with an option to buy  him back for around £13M next summer, and Liverpool want £20M for the big Geordie striker, which would still be a cool £15M loss in a short 20 months on the center forward.

Carroll with Rodgers – he’s now a squad player at £80K/week

And if Newcastle can sign Andy back permanently for £13M, they will have lost Andy Carroll for a season and a half, over span of two and a half years,  and made £22M on the deal – and you think Mike Ashley isn’t an excellent businessman?

But it’s Liverpool that has the problem, which is why Rodgers is so annoyed at Newcastle,  that they wont do the right thing and buy Andy back for £20M – Newcastle will not do that because Andy’s not worth £20M, and he wasn’t worth £35M either, but it wasn’t Newcastle’s fault that Liverpool made such a ridiculously high bid.

Newcastle prefer to sign strikers like Papiss Cisse for £9M and Demba Ba on a free transfer.

What are Newcastle supposed to say to Liverpool – sorry for taking your money?

This is what Rodgers said on Wednesday:

“Newcastle got £35M for this player last year.” “Even to consider wanting to take him on loan is a liberty. There is nothing more in it for me.” ‘I need a minimum of three strikers. Once the window shuts, that it is it until January.”

“I have got Luis Suarez, Fabio Borini and Andy. I would need to be a nutcase to even consider at this moment letting Andy Carroll go out, unless there are other solutions for that.”

“At the moment there isn’t. Andy has been working well.”  “He knows the situation, like the rest of the group do, and we will take it from there. We have a small squad as it is. We have lost a lot of players this summer and I have not replaced them as yet.”

“It’s an opportunity for the squad players.”  “I have to protect some of my players, as we have a massive game against Manchester City at the weekend.”

There’s no doubt that Andy has been relegated to being a squad player at Liverpool, although he didn’t seem to be much better when he was managed by Kenny Dalglish, and the Scot was the man who persuaded the American owners to fork out £35M for the big Geordie striker.

But given that Andy Carroll has made it clear he will not leave Liverpool for any other club other than Newcastle United, his home town club, it puts Liverpool in a rather poor negotiating position.

And while they can snub Newcastle’s offer, and probably will, that will mean they will be paying  a striker, who is an England starter at the moment,  a cool £80K/week to warm the bench.

That’s not good use of Liverpool’s money, but signing Andy for £35M in cool cash, wasn’t good use of Liverpool’s money either, and that’s what comes when clubs make really poor decisions in the transfer market, just as Newcastle used to do frequently under Freddy Shepherd.

But not any  more, and Newcastle today make some great deals, and refuse to pay over the odds for any player, and that includes former local hero Andy Carroll.

That’s not good news for Liverpool.

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89 comments so far

  • davybtoon

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

    Comment #1

    Haha Liverpool gonna look foolish no matter what here Carroll won’t go anywhere but us already proved that with west ham, Liverpool keep him n he ain’t gonna play his value drops even more

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  • davybtoon

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM

    Comment #2

    Hattem good authority you mean the times stop bullshitting lad

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM

    Comment #3

    Rodgers appears to be one of the worst PR men I’ve ever seen.

    He comes across intelligently, but as soon as there’s any pressure he starts contradicting himself, getting very red in the face, and basically insulting his own player.

    I bloody love it.

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  • TheWellGeordie

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:42 PM

    Comment #4

    It might put them in a tight situation, but what about us? Carroll wouldn’t fit into the mold of the current Newcastle side and there would be division among the fans – Some will welcome him back, others won’t be so accommodating. It’s important to remember that with Cisse & Ba (and hopefully Campbell in the near future) Carroll will also be warming the bench here. So what is in it for us? Other than paying 12 million or so next season for a striker that really isn’t Premier League standard?

    I really hope we go after another striker like John Guidetti rather than chasing Carroll forevermore.

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  • Magpies-till-d3ath

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:43 PM

    Comment #5

    Krul- £0m
    Simpson £0.5m
    Coloccini- £11m
    Saylor- £0m
    Santon- £5m
    Tiote- £3.5m
    Cabaye- £4.5m
    Gutierrez- £6m
    Ben Arfa- £5m
    Cisse- £9m
    Ba- £0m

    Total=

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  • Magpies-till-d3ath

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:45 PM

    Comment #6

    Sorry, hit submit by mistake!
    Total= 44.5million
    Carroll, Downing, Borini, Allen, Suarez, Henderson= £127m

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! I could laugh at Liverpool all day!

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  • Graeme

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:47 PM

    Comment #7

    The Poo are between a rock and a hard place.

    They paid £35million for a £12 million player and just dont know what to do – isnt life a bitch. As long as AC insists he will only leave the fools for a return to TOOOON, we are the only game in town as far as Poo are concerned.

    The quicker Poo realise they paid 3 times over his value, will never get the money back, the better they will be. You got suckered, fleeced, call it what you will but deal with it. You will never get more than £12 million for him and if you dont play him, his price will drop further lol.

    That nasty Mr Ashley is waiting for you – and you know it!!

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  • JTOONJ

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:52 PM

    Comment #8

    if i was AC on 80K a week i’d stay for awhile build up a pension for a year an leave ;P

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM

    Comment #9

    Anyone think we would really sell Colo?

    A player coming towards the latter stages of his career, won’t have a sell on value for much longer, a bid from City may be too much for Ashley to turn down?

    Colo & Krul are genuinely the two players that I think we simply cannot afford to sell – that would be game over as far as European hopes.

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  • Munster Mag

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:53 PM

    Comment #10

    tds, I love it too. Initially i hated losing such a unique striker, until 10 seconds later i realised the price and thought…..wtf ….what a bonkers sum of money. I also reckon Andy will suffer plenty of strains in his career, as tall players often do, and tend to have poor injury records, like Duncan Ferguson. Can u imagine going on the piss with Dunc and Carroll , bloody scary shit…..

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  • MUTINYbyLEMONS

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:54 PM

    Comment #11

    I doubt there would be any bids for Colo tbh

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  • Minato

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:54 PM

    Comment #12

    Loved Andy when he was here and was distraught to see him leave…however at this point I’ll say what I’ve been saying all summer.. Really hope we jut stay away from this one.. We won’t get him for 12 million and any more would be far to much of a gamble to pay anymore. Think we really lucked out when we got as much money for him as we did and would be just as wise to stay clear.

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  • JTOONJ

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:56 PM

    Comment #13

    How bigger contract is he on? Get him on a free when he is 24/25?

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  • peterrwrightt

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:58 PM

    Comment #14

    mtt
    Steven Taylor worth £0m? :O

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  • BelfastMagpie87

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:58 PM

    Comment #15

    12 million is too much.

    People think he’s gonna come back and bang in the goals again.

    In reality we could bring him back & he could be just as crap for us lol

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  • Minato

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:59 PM

    Comment #16

    @14

    Think he means we got him for nothing..

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  • gaz 44

    Aug 22, 2012 at 11:59 PM

    Comment #17

    don’t know where this has come from bout collo going to city but does anyone think captain fantastic would leave for shitty where he would be behind kompany and lescot .. gotta remember he’s at the end of his career(ish) he isn’t gonna want t spend it on the bench.. not as though he needs an increase in pay.. adored by the fans who stuck by him after first yr.. althoug i feel he’s repaid us for that already.. i just think its a mutual love between Feb n ourselves.. see him being a coach here when he hangs up them boots

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  • keeping the faith

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:01 AM

    Comment #18

    Ed you said it. Cisse for 9mill and Ba for zilch….. Then why oh why pay £12m for a striker that’s scored slightly more goals in his whole career than the 2 Senegalese boys scored in season

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  • achtoon

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:02 AM

    Comment #19

    All i can think of is the big smile on carrols face as he was going in to liverpool for the transfer. He should not be allowed back and i hope this is a genious bluff by ashley

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  • Minato

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:03 AM

    Comment #20

    @17

    Completely agree..I expect Colo to finish his career with us and I hope Guti does also. Loyal to the club when we were at our lowest in the championship and emblematic of the kind of team work ethic we have developed since we returned..great moves by Pards to have these men as captain and vice captain.

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:03 AM

    Comment #21

    Would Colo be behind Lescott? I think he’s a far better footballer.

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  • BelfastMagpie87

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:05 AM

    Comment #22

    I think if Man City made a decent bid,Ashley would sell him.

    Highest paid player too.

    Hope it’s bullshit.

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  • peterrwrightt

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:06 AM

    Comment #23

    TDS
    i agree, Coloccini would be partnering Kompany.

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  • BelfastMagpie87

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:09 AM

    Comment #24

    I dont think Mancini is Lescotts biggest fan to be honest.

    They only started to play him when Toure got the drug ban.

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  • Redman

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:10 AM

    Comment #25

    Take your black-and-white tinted specs off folks.

    Yes, Liverpool vastly overpaid for Carroll.
    And now Newcastle are vastly under-offering for him.

    West Ham’s offer has set big Andy’s true value so you’re going to have to come close to matching it if you want him back. If not, fair enough. He’ll have to go somewhere else.

    Like West Ham, perhaps.

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  • Andymax

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:11 AM

    Comment #26

    Rodgers is losing the plot, the pressure is getting to him judging by his comments.

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  • Zebras4Life

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:12 AM

    Comment #27

    I like Collo better than Lescott. Furthermore, could Ashley and Carroll pull off the ultimate Coup

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  • RonVanDam

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:13 AM

    Comment #28

    No only will his value detoriate on the bench, L’pool will still be paying his wages. Between now and the Jan window – they would’ve paid another 2m in cash in wages. The’ll be better off selling him now 🙂

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  • magpiebop

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:13 AM

    Comment #29

    4-2-3-1
    Harper.
    Tavernier,Perch,Williamson(c),RTaylor
    Bigirimana,Anita.
    Obertan,Gosling,Marveaux.
    Campbell.

    Looks like a team to get the job done.

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  • JP...from The Rock

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:18 AM

    Comment #30

    Haha I love it. Roll in your bed thinking about it Rodgers! I would only want Carroll back if it were a loan deal with option to buy for ‘no more than’ 12M. Even then I still wouldn’t like to give Judas the pleasure of returning.

    I would prefer Pardew introducing teenage sensation Adam Campbell to the world tomorrow night. I believe this is the fast, young striker we all craved, and we had him under our noses all along. He obviously needs a lot of time but you can tell by his positional sense, pace and finishing that he’s something special.

    I hope to see him in action tomorrow. I am sick of hearing about Carroll it’s all so boring.

    3-1 to the toon tomorrow night.

    HWTL

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  • JAMSHA

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:22 AM

    Comment #31

    Poor Fools & Their Manager… I guess They wont ever try to Get any of are players nxt time…

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  • nufc90

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:29 AM

    Comment #32

    Still think we need another striker as we don’t want to be putting too much pressure on Campbell too soon. Dipping him into Europe and sub appearances is fine but he still needs a few years to develop into a real first team talent I feel

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  • JP...from The Rock

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:33 AM

    Comment #33

    nufc90 – yeah I think you’re right but it is an exciting thought though. He could be what Michael Owen should have been for us 😛

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  • AmericanGeordie

    Aug 23, 2012 at 12:35 AM

    Comment #34

    I’ve made this point a couple of times on here already. Everyone continues to focus on the transfer fee, but the Carroll story is ALL about the WAGES.

    1. AC is on £80k/week for 4 more years. So, Liverpool is contractually obligated to pay him £16M.

    2. Rodgers can whine about the £35M all he wants, but it’s irrelevant! He has a player he doesn’t want and the big wages only REDUCE his transfer value. See the Adebayor situation. He is still in his 20s, he banged in 18 goals last year, yet Man City accepted £5M for him AND they have to pay £100 of his £170/week for the next 2 years! In essence They PAID OUT £5M to get rid of him!!!!

    If I’m Ashley, I’d offer £5-10M to Cesspool and £40,000/week to AC TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.

    If Carroll only has eyes for Newcastle at this point, Liverpool has no choice and will eventually sell him to us. (And if AC’s agent is worth his salt, he’ll make the Reds pay Andy part of that transfer fee to make up for his reduced wages on Tyneside.

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  • thai-mag

    Aug 23, 2012 at 1:08 AM

    Comment #35

    carroll will be at liverpool long after rodgers gets the sack, nobody will pay 20 million and 80,000a week, it’s insane

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  • ~Anita One Bites the Dust~

    Aug 23, 2012 at 1:16 AM

    Comment #36

    @Belfastmagpie87 comment 15

    Exactly. I completely agree. Some people, not all. Seem to think that because he was on fire when he was with us, that he will be re ignited once again. Those people seem to be blissfully unaware of the fact that our midfield (with the exception of Spider man and the Hulk) is completely different. Two of the main providers of Andy Carrolls goals (Barton and Nolan) have left the club, and their positions filled in with players that are far more technical (Arfa and Cabaye) who prefer the ball on the ground as opposed to sailing through the air.

    Andy Carroll has so far shown, that he can’t adapt to liverpools style of play, therefore forcing the 10 other men on the pitch to have to change their style to hoof ball, everytime Carroll steps on the pitch.

    If Andy comes back here, that might end up happening to us, and is therefore a step backwards.

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  • pawl250

    Aug 23, 2012 at 1:28 AM

    Comment #37

    If you buy Andy Carroll it’s for another option of style you will play.

    1. He is worth around 14m-15m in today’s market, especially considering Fletcher is 13m and Allen is 15m.
    2. If he came he has already accepted he would take a pay cut.
    3. The fans would back him, allowing the confidence to return.

    Andy Carroll is a player where you see what you get. He would allow us to become dangerous on set peices something we clearly right now are weak at.

    Scenario – 89th minute free kick in opposition half. You would want Carroll in your team for this moment alone

    Cisse is a fox in a box, Ba and all round type player that lacks pace and Carroll header specialist.

    The variation he could add to our attack would be vital. For me though the board should be focusing on a certain area that we look weak. DEFENCE! Is it just the fans who can see this, surely not?!

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  • JAMSHA

    Aug 23, 2012 at 1:48 AM

    Comment #38

    any news on xisco??????

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  • JAMSHA

    Aug 23, 2012 at 1:49 AM

    Comment #39

    any news on xisco??????..

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  • ~Anita One Bites the Dust~

    Aug 23, 2012 at 2:01 AM

    Comment #40

    How is Andy Carroll worth 14m-15m.

    Facts:
    1. Fletcher scored 12 goals last season for Wolves. A team weaker then liverpool. Evident by the fact that they were relegated. Andy Carroll scored 6 for Liverpool since Joining them. If your going by this stat alone. Fletcher should be worth more.

    2. They are both around the same age. Carroll being 23. Fletcher being 25. So age isn’t as big a factor. It edges slightly in Carroll’s favor as he is the younger of the two. But I don’t that this stat alone is enough to warranty Carroll’s price being higher then fletcher’s. Due to the goals scored by both players.

    3. IF you look at the prices played for players during the Window when Carroll was sold, you could estimate his value then.
    – Phil Jones – 17mill
    – Ox lade – Around 12mill according to reports. But potentially up to 15mill with Add on’s.
    – Henderson – 16mill
    – Downing – 20mill
    – Smalling – 10mill
    – Ashley Young 17mill.

    Note. They are all young – mid 20’s english players. Same like Carroll, and all English and therefore have that extra 5 or so mill added to their real value.

    Judging by those figures ranging between 10-20mill, thats the price range Carroll should have really been at during that year as he was on form. Let’s say he was worth 15million. Exactly in the middle of the highest and lowest fee’s on that list.

    So when Carroll was on form, banging in goals he should have roughly been valued at around the 15mill Mark.

    So why after a season and a half at Liverpool, scoring just over half the amount of goals he scored for us in half a season of the PL, is he worth around the same price?. Surely after a long run of poor form, his value would logically have dropped.

    Unless, you mean to tell me that a player can go over a season playing poorly, and still be valued the same.

    Just because we sold him for 35million, does not mean getting him now for 14-15mill is a bargain. It’s not. It’s at most double what he should really be valued at, if you look at recent form.

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