There have been a number of reports that Arsene Wenger, the Arsenal manager, was interested in getting Cheick Tiote to the Gunners, Newcastle’s top defensive midfielder.
Cheick Tiote – in action last week against Tottenham
Arsene spoke after Arsenal’s second 0-0 draw in a row this season, this time at Stoke, and he was asked if Tiote would be a replacement for the departed Alex Song, who went to Barcelona for £15M last week.
And there was even news today in the Sunday Mirror that we covered, that said that Arsenal had already asked Newcastle United about Tiote.
But it seems that Arsene Wenger may have put an end to the speculation – we hope he has put an end to the speculation.
This is what Arsene said when he was asked about the speculation linking Tiote with the Gunners:
“Tiote is a good player, but he’s not on his way to Arsenal.”
Alan Pardew is hoping that he can keep all his players through next Saturday when the transfer window will be over, so it looks like Arsenal are not after Cheick.
That’s good news.
Since joining Newcastle from FC Twente for £3.5M in the summer of 2010, Tiote has played 53 times for Newcastle with that one fantastic goal against Arsenal eighteen months ago, which leveled the scores at 4-4, after Newcastle had been 4-0 down after 26 minutes.
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1 MacToon // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:36 PM
We’d be mad to sell Tiote imho.
2 davybtoon // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:36 PM
So 2 games n looks like we’re on same points as man u, man city n Liverpool n were 1 pt ahead of arsenal n 2 pts ahead of spurs why are ppl moaning
3 nick_9 // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:37 PM
Because there is another 36 games to play haha
4 davybtoon // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:38 PM
Correction a point behind man city n 2 ahead of Liverpool bcoz city jus scored
5 MacToon // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:38 PM
Gift for City
2-2
6 Super Magpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:38 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
2-2. Awful pass back by skrtel.
7 JBNUFC92 // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:39 PM
Good news! Also… Skrtl haha
8 JBNUFC92 // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:40 PM
Good news! Also… Skrtl haha
9 Super Magpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:40 PM
Check
Its annoying me reading through all the comments and people are saying we lost because we were beaten by a better team and they’re European champions etc.
What people don’t realise is, we’re annoyed in the way we got beat.
To state the obvious 4-4-2 is Sh*t. We play Sh*t with 4-4-2.
And you’re right, we rely on individual pieces of brilliance to win games and a lot of luck. We hardly control games and when we do have the ball we look clueless going forward.
-Ba and Cisse can’t play together.
- Jonas is not a LW.
- Cabaye needs 2Dm midfielders behind him to play well.
-Ben arfa is too restricted and Simpson isn’t on the same wave length with when they go forward ( tbf not many people are) .
In a 4-5-1/4-2-3-1 these problems would be sorted.
Krul
Simpson Saylor Colo Santon
Anita/Jonas Tiote
Ben Arfa Cabaye Marveaux
Ba/Cisse
That’s what we should play and with The French trio of HBA, Cabaye and marveaux all linking up we could be very dangerous. But we can all dream of such teams because it looks like pardew’s stubbornness to move away from 4-4-2 is taking effect again.
10 JBNUFC92 // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:41 PM
We have to play 433, worked a treat last season.
11 davybtoon // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:41 PM
Our new striker has just come on haha
12 MacToon // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:42 PM
Carroll gets 7 minutes.
13 nick_9 // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM
I’m rooting for man city here and any other team who plays the contenders for 10th to 4th. A good win in Europe on Thursday followed by a signing or two and a good win against villa and we will all be smiling again.
14 davybtoon // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM
433 has to b what we play went to that second half v spurs n worked
15 Super Magpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM
Dzeko’s just missed a sitter… Howay Man City!
16 Rotonda heights // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM
Ochy makes some very valid points. No one is saying pardew out but he can be frustrating at times like putting on Perch when we should have been going for goals.
Pardew is obviously an extremely good manager but maybe as Ochy says he hasn’t really hit the heights previously because he can be fatally stubborn at times and refuse to change formation, tactics and personel when we are losing.
17 davybtoon // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:45 PM
Nick 9 that will b a good week but the blog will b half empty bcoz all the ppl who only come here to moan will go into hiding again until are next defeat
18 Spellcheck // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:46 PM
Mr T simply aint going nowhere. He has stated on mumerous occasions that e loves Newcastle,the team the city & the friendly Geordie population!!!!!! Nice win on Thursday & then we play a poor Aston villa,3pts im sure of it! couple of signings wouldnt go amiss,especially Debuchy & a formation wid a free role for the majestic Ben Arfa wid either BA or Cisse up front,rest of team picks itself. Howay lads its early days in this season,get behind the TOON!!!!!!!!!
19 davybtoon // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:47 PM
Rotonda does the work the other way then bcoz we went from 442 to 433 last week v spurs n won all Pardews doing
20 check the toastie // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:48 PM
Super – Totally agree, said last week, wonder how many times Pardew changes formation during a game this season, last season we were shit more than good with 442, however some how picked up some pretty unjust results, seems like he’s hoping for more of the same this season.
Last years success was mostly down to Benny and Cisse being absolutely unbelievable and the rest of the team digging in, we need to offer more than that, At home last season i can only think of a couple of games were we truly bossed the match, Stoke, Blackburn. Outplayed by such greats as Wolves and Bolton even Wigan.
I look at performance rather than results to gauge how the manager is doing, for sure it improved a shit load last year when we changed to 433, dont know why we have gone back to 442 when it has been proved for the most part we are shit playing it, plus it promotes our team to hit the ball long.
21 nick_9 // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:51 PM
Y’all need to chip in at half time buying burgers and pints and lots of extra merchandise to up the revenue so we can afford an extra player or two.
22 MacToon // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:53 PM
nick_9 I believe all catering is subcontracted now, atleast it was last season.
23 Cool Hand Luke // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:54 PM
I wonder did Arsne have Mr T’s boot on his neck when making this statement.
24 mot7 // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:56 PM
i dont want pardew out just want him to get rid of that crap 4 4 2 formation he brought in most of the midfield we have so why not play a formation that gets the best out of them instead of asking ben arfa to defend and having caby chasing oposition midfield allover the place
25 Magpies-till-d3ath // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:58 PM
VILA LA NATA!!!! You kop bas*cards!
26 Magpies-till-d3ath // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:58 PM
VILA LA NATA!!!! You kop bas*ards!
27 Super Magpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 5:59 PM
Check
Exactly, I just can’t understand why we continue to play 4-4-2 .
The coaches must know that 4-4-2 doesnt work. Surely they can’t all agree that 4-4-2 is the best formation. Aaaarrrrggghhhh!
It’s just so frustrating because we’ll all hope for it not to be 4-4-2 against atromitos and Villa, and we’ll be left dissapointed again.
Even if do beat Villa with 4-4-2, I can guarantee that it will be scrappy and we’ll comeback and still say the same thing. Villa are awful and a team back in the SBR days we would beat 3-0/3-1. Now it’s a hard fought 2-1. It’s nice to win, but it’s just not as satisfying if it’s undeserved. That’s why our GD was only +5 last year. We never scored 4 or more goals.
28 nick_9 // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:00 PM
There goes that little idea then, probably in case fans decide to boycott then it won’t hit ash in the pocket. I noticed he is selling room shirts in sports direct £13 cheaper than in the club shop, I bet lots of people bought from there and not the club, do we get out from that?
29 ToonDownSouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:01 PM
Liverpool looked really impressive today. I think those of you tipping them for failure again may be some way off.
30 Super Magpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:04 PM
TDS
I had them down to lose their next 4 games considering they were against man city, sunderland, man utd and arsenal.
Imagine Liverpool with just 1pt after 5games.
31 mot7 // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM
if a team with average players can control a game like swasea do why cant we with a better class of player do the same. as much as i respect pardew he is playing a very outdated english system that doesnt suit the players we have .
this will only result in them becoming frustrated and wanting to leave
.
32 Pilly69 // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:10 PM
After reading the blog for about a year this is my 1st post here it goes!! Check t t could not agree more with your coments about last season thought we were lucky to win games against “weaker” teams.I believe Newcastle need to play with 2 dm’s in front of back 4 and let the creative players push forward, Cabaye sits far too to deep for my liking needs to be on the front foot
33 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:12 PM
Do you think we would of played 4-4-2 yesterday if tiote had been fit??
34 check the toastie // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:12 PM
TDS – i agree, think Rodgers knows how he wants to play and think he will be given time at Liverpool, clearly they are intent on spending so unfortunately they will probably end up above us in the league, it is hard to take but i think it is inevitable, hope Enrique doesnt eventually be proved to be right.
35 Sazzer // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:13 PM
One problem we have is that we aren’t good in one-two movement and people taking a lot of runs without the ball.
36 Wandering Geordie // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:13 PM
Now that Wenger has said that Tiote is not going to Arsenal.Can all the moaners and groaners stop going on about it.Wait till next week and all or probably not will be revealed by MA and the boys.
Its pointless letting yourselves getting het up.Out of your hands I’m afraid.So stop being negative
37 Sazzer // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:15 PM
Hopefully it will come when all of our skillful players gets few games together.
38 Magpies-till-d3ath // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:19 PM
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/fed-man-utd-boss-ferguson-hints-rooney-50m-sale-bombshell-3474891
How funny would it be if City got him!!!!
39 check the toastie // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:20 PM
tads – yep Mr T would have played instead of Anita probably.
40 ToonDownSouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:20 PM
I feel the need to point out that just because Wenger says something, doesn’t mean it’s true.
Pardew said we wouldn’t sign a striker – we signed Cisse.
Why would Wenger be any different? He could easily just be trying to respect NUFC, unlike the way Barcelona treated them.
41 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:21 PM
did someone suggest going for rooney before?? or did i imagine that?? hahahahaha
anyone got a spare 50 million??
42 mot7 // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM
i would be quite happy to see this team have a crack at most other prem teams with both fullbacks giving us width.gives our bench a bit of strength aswell i think
………………………krull………….
debuchy……..colo……..taylor…………santon
……………….tiote………..anita……………….
………………………..caby……………………….
…………………hba………………….mar……
……………………………ba………………….
43 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:25 PM
Check
Maybe initially but i genuinely think anita has been bought in to play alongside him, but looking at the bench yesterday i think that was prob the strongest team he could put out, also think it prob would of changed to a 4-3-3 if it wasnt for cisse bieng missing
44 check the toastie // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:26 PM
Not sure were to stand with Rooney, lad scores goals in the PL, however never really impressed me for some time, rarely fit and for me is not that dedicated, was a disgrace at the Euro’s for England, fat shit and then went on holiday after it for more beer and lazing around, the boy peaked when he was 17.
If i was fergy i would get some money for him now if he could, RVP is much better for me.
45 bills-son // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:27 PM
Super Mag – I agreed with you on one up front but I dont agree that 442 is sh%t, we went 10 games unbeaten at the start of last season with 442. The problem is it doesnt work with Cisse and HBA replacing Best and Oba. The former are better players but they dont close down defenders like the other two did plus Raylor and Guti were better down the left defensively than Santon and Guti. We used to play a pressing game with a high back four which condensed the midfield and compensated for Tiote and Cabaye”s lack of pace. Now we dont press and the oppo get into our half far too easily. 442 can work but not with the players AP is picking. This season is the real test of AP as a manager, he needs to play the best team not the best eleven. If that means upsetting some players, tough. Alex Ferguson has done it for years and it seems to have worked for him.
46 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:28 PM
Gateshead
Maybe was prob the same person who said we should sack pardew and sell anita and cisse!
I wonder if spurs arsenal liverpool and man utd fans are all calling for there manager to be sacked after 2 games?
47 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:29 PM
chek
as a player id still love him here but it would never happen if we’re serious lol
agreed though when he first broke through onto the england scene a thought wow!! amazing talent, he still shows glimses of it now and then but not upthere with the absolute best in the world imo
48 check the toastie // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:30 PM
Mot7- think i would change debuchy for Jonas and then we have a good FOOTBALLING side already at the club,capable of fighting it out with the teams challenging for 4th place.
49 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:31 PM
tads
id like to think so!! hahaha
50 mot7 // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:32 PM
my question to pardew is does he realy know how to get the best out of the players he has bought great players most of them but he doesnt seem to quite grasp how to fit them into a system he feels comfortable coaching
51 ToonDownSouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:33 PM
check
I like the idea of Jonas at fullback. Obviously, Pardew really wants a couple of work-horses in the team – which is fair enough – but Jonas doesn’t contribute anywhere near enough out wide.
I liked him in the middle last year. He linked up with Hatem really really well.
52 Lee Dodd // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM
Last week of the Transfer Window – Can you Imagine the Crap that is Going to be Put In the Papers etc this week !!!! We will keep everyone and buy a defender and a striker !!!
53 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM
TDS
I think you can definatly see with jonas that he is being transformed in to a fullback/CDM think the only reason he started wide was cos marv had played thursday night and has just come off a season long lay off to full games in 48hrs prob was never gonna happen
54 check the toastie // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:38 PM
TDS – I Like Jonas, combative and always gives 100%, however think Anita and Tiote would be better as a holding 2, Jonas for me cant play on the wing anymore, but him and Benny down the right would be great to watch at home, hope Pards might give it a go, think our team is evolving, however i am not known for my patience and i can see a super team already at the club,
If only Pardiola was a less cautious, last year at home he settled for 1-0 wins and shut up shop far to many times at home.
55 mot7 // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:39 PM
check the toastie
that could work as we already have the players at the club i think i would still like debuchy in at fullback more for his pace to get up and down the wing and for him feeling more comfortable in that possition .but jonas definatly worth a shot because he isnt a left winger
56 JTOONJ // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:44 PM
I can’t believe you’re complaining about the chelsea game. i have a few friends who are chelski fans, they said thats the best they’ve played for awhile, as they were passing and moving. TORRES is back. Hazzard is awesome
2-0 but should of had a Ba goal thats the only issue i have with the result
57 Rotonda heights // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:45 PM
Davybtoon
That’s more of a pity then isn’t it when he saw what did and didn’t work and went back to what didn’t!!! I don’t know what’s worse!! We had 6 wins on the spin playing 433 and things seemed smooth and cohesive but we look very uncomfortable and restricted in a 442
58 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:47 PM
jtoonj
so you could say youve got contacts with chelsea?? and so your in the know?? hahahaha
i dont think its so much the result people are bothered about just that yestaday ben arfa was the only toon player that looked good enough to play for the other team
59 eaststandgeordie1982 // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:49 PM
I would like to see guti get a crack at RB just the odd game mind see how he gets on FB’s turn into wingers lets try it the other way atleast we would have a RB that can take players on and win free kicks
60 Magpies-till-d3ath // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:50 PM
If Chelsea carry on like this, they’re gonna win the league! And some Newcastle fans are COMPLAINING!!!!!!!!
61 toonarmy81 // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:52 PM
Al be glad when the transfer windows shut n we still hav our top players n hopefully 1 or 2 new additions
62 toonarmy81 // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:53 PM
Al be glad when the transfer windows shut n we still have our top players n hopefully 1 or 2 new additions
63 niafron // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:54 PM
Got to go. If you got time, i suggest you to watch PSG Bordeaux. Will be a good game. You know much about Paris, but there’s good players in Bordeaux, like Plasil, Obraniak or Gouffran.
Pay particular attention to Bordeaux’s LB, Trémoulinas. The lad would be perfect for us as far as i’m concerned.
Bonne soirée messieurs.
64 Rotonda heights // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:55 PM
MOT 7 #
Exactly he seems to be caught between putting his players out or playing his best formation.
I think the following are no brainers.
1) Put Jonas at right or left back and have santon either stay where he is or move across, then we can have 2 attacking full backs because we are going nowhere with simpson at all.
2) Play 4-3-3 with Tiote, Cabaye and Anita in the middle. That’s a mouthwatering combo and plays to their strengths, especially Cabaye who gets totally bypassed in a 442.
3) Rotate Cisse and Ba and play 1 up top. I like Ba, but we can’t let Ba dictate our system. We could have 60 games this season and let benny and Marveux our most creative forwards play around them.
4) Forget about wasting money on Carroll, he isn’t a different option, just a desperate one.
65 Rotonda heights // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:56 PM
* best players
66 hazzy // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:56 PM
would love to see Tiote and Anita in dm. with our team pressing high. Cabs, HBA and Marveaux creating goals for Cisse/Ba. I really don’t think 4-4-2 works with our players could see us demolishing teams with that midfield and fullbacks stretching play
67 mot7 // Aug 26, 2012 at 6:58 PM
gatehead mag
total agree but i still wouldnt swap caby for mereiles or mikel wouldnt swap colo for cahill or hba for hazard krull for chec is close but would stick with krull would take mata for jonas though ha ha but we arnt that far of a very good team if pards can sort the formation and maybe a couple of couple of extra first team players to move club forward
68 JackButler // Aug 26, 2012 at 7:00 PM
Why is it that the only transfer activity surrounding us is players leaving???
69 toonarmy81 // Aug 26, 2012 at 7:04 PM
We’ve done well keepn our best players so far n I think it would take big money for them to leave
70 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 7:04 PM
mot7
aye anar we have plenty players that would walk into their team on a good day, but yestaday wasnt a good day haha
nevermind onwards and upwards
71 mot7 // Aug 26, 2012 at 7:10 PM
rotonda heights
sounds good to me i just think pardew feels comfortable coaching a 4 4 2 formation but still wants to play all of our best players if thats the case he should have bought players to fit the system no point in playing passing players if there gona spend 90 mins chasing the ball about the pitch or getting a sore neck watching it sail back and forth over their heads pards need to adapt to what hes brought in
72 Premiership Manager // Aug 26, 2012 at 7:14 PM
It makes my blood boil when people state we should play 4-3-3 do you not know anything about football?
Against Chelsea and any other top 5 team away we should be playing 4-5-1, or 4-4-1-1 with HBA sat behind the striker. playing HBA,Cisse and Ba up-front leaves too many gaps in midfield and that was clearly demonstrated yesterday, when thay kept giving the ball away and leaving the defence exposed.
At home or against mediocre competition 4-3-3 is fine however there is a time and a place for it.
If we lose Tiote or Cabaye it will be a loss to the squad however £15M for either player would be a realistic price that would test the club. Quotes of £20-30M for either player are way off the mark because despite them both being very good players neither is worth more than £20M max
73 BelfastMagpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 7:15 PM
Haha
I see Barton declaring his love for Marseille on twatter.
Think he was mouthing off about qpr too lol
Only he’s deleted that bit…
74 BelfastMagpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 7:18 PM
Must off missed this one he said last week too.
Joseph Barton ?@Joey7Barton
I don’t half miss playing at St James’s Park. Proper, proper football fans, city and stadium. #ToonArmy
Do you think he regrets moving ?? lol
Sounds like it..
75 eaststandgeordie1982 // Aug 26, 2012 at 7:19 PM
Thur will bring all the confidence back and im hoping sunday is a day we finally get 4 or 5
76 BelfastMagpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 7:20 PM
He’s digging himself a hole now…
Joseph Barton ?@Joey7Barton
Just watching the end of Barca game now then PSG v Bordeaux. To the QPR fans, for some reason the managers dislikes me. From before Man City
77 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 7:20 PM
belfast
joey always loved playing for the toon, just didnt love the board quite as much hahaha
78 BelfastMagpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 7:24 PM
I loved when he played for us like.
If he had of just kept his trap shut he would probably still be here.
79 BelfastMagpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 7:31 PM
He’s really going off on one now like Haha
He’s a journalist’s dream,bet ya they’re all rubbing there hands when he goes off on one of his rants..
80 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 7:33 PM
thing is hes a really clever, well spoken bloke, with morals and that, if you follow him youl know. the bloke just has a bad temper which occasionally lets him down
if not for that them im pretty sure he would have been an england regular
81 BelfastMagpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 7:41 PM
He’s just way to honest for his own good like.lol
Think a move abroad will be the best thing for him.
He needs to delete his twatter account too.
82 mot7 // Aug 26, 2012 at 7:42 PM
barton loved him and hated him all at the same time must say though that the one big tackle he put in against arsenal 4-4 changed the atmosphere of the match and helped us get back in it just shows you need all types of players to make a team
83 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:09 PM
Sinclair to city for £6.2mil
Great deal for city terrible move for sinclair tho!
84 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:09 PM
I wish people that are having a go at people moaning about yesterdays result would get a check on reality,nobody expected us to go down there and repeat last years’ excellent score especially considering they spent 77M and we haven’t.I think the majority are a little upset that we haven’t strengthened in the positions we’ve al been crying out for but until the window is closed I will not criticize and will reserve judgement,and all though I talk a lot of shite on this site I think this is a sensible comment.
85 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:12 PM
jail for ashley
naaaaa your still talking shite, far to reasonable of a comment to be taken seriously!! hahaha
i think most sensible people have the same point of view, its just hard to ignore the crazies lol
86 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:13 PM
JFA
Completly agree there this place was inbearable yesterday ppl wanting pards sacked and anita and cisse sold, complete joke! I think most of us would of been happy with 3 points after are opening 2 games
87 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:14 PM
Gateshead,
I’m probably better at just talkin shite then .Me thinks
88 Rotonda heights // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:18 PM
Jail
As someone else pointed out, I don’t think people are so upset with the result, rather just the manner of it.
89 619nufc // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:18 PM
It surprises me that I’m one of very few that voted Spidey as MOTM for yesterday
90 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:19 PM
its like a ghost town on here tonight, bit depressing knowing other people actually go out and do things
91 Ian Toon // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:19 PM
Having caught up with the postings and discarded much of the dross and negative same olds same olds it was refreshing to read
Super Magpie @ 9 – may I congratulate you on a well thought out piece. However, I don’t see Pardew as being stubborn in playing 4-4-2 it was more a case of the art of the possible. I have reason to believe
that much of what you seek he shares but in the absence of Tiote he can’t deliver. Tiote and Anita playing in front of a back four with both full backs overlapping in a 4-2-3-1 is his preferred option. But this is not possible with Simpson and nobody capable just yet of adequately playing the Tiote covering role. A Debuchy signing would be a big plus but should the signing not materialise. I could see
Santon switching to the right and Jonas playing at left back. I also
favour Ben Arfa being given a freer role somewhat in the Hazard
mode. This would allow us to play with one up top either Cisse or Ba.
Ba on occasion could play on the left of the three somewhat as he did in the second half against Spurs. Also Cabaye who looks short of match fitness could play in an advanced role where he is most effective
linking the play. The priority is too strengthen the defence before adding to the forward cover. There was little wrong with our Chelsea performance because 4 very good chances were created which Cisse
and Ba can usually be relied upon to convert We didn’t lose because of the system we employed but clearly the side would gain from freeing up the more creative Ben Arfa and Cabaye from defensive duties . Those that condemn 4-2-3-1 largely do so because they consider it with current personnel -but Simpson is incapable of playing an attacking role. Certainly 4-5-1 away from home is more easily understood but it doesn’t have to be a negative system especially with the quality wide players we now have.
92 Rotonda heights // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:22 PM
Gateshead mag – morals??
Was that when he kept taking 60K a week when he was in prison and basically having 1 good half a season in 5 on full pay. Saying Barton has morals is like saying Simpson is the best attacking full back in the premiership.
93 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:23 PM
619nufc
really?? now i really appreciate what he does for the team, but yestaday i can hardly recall him doing anything of note, now i had intaken quite a few pints so my judgement may have been impared lol, ben arfa was the only player i can remember really having a go at them and running things for us
94 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:25 PM
rotonda
fair do’s i wasnt really thinking about his career though, more the stuff he talks about, his political views, campaining for the hillsborough disaster, articles in the big issue and so-on
95 leavemyarselona // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:28 PM
Check out this video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl72ZAXS_MU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Full interview barton slating owners
96 Fostino // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:34 PM
rotanda
some good points..particularly post 64.
i aggree with all points in it. i think that if pardrew is to persist with ba and cisse both starting, then ba needs to be told he’s going to be played on the left…suck it up.
97 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:35 PM
JFA
It was so bad yesterday I thought of not bothering with this blog ever again.. just so much garbage being spouted. Glad you agree TADS.
Beattie got a miserable mood on and loads of people were one-upping on Pards tactics saying he needed to get away from 4-4-2. Well I’m a 4-3-3 man meself but he has got his reasons and I trust his judgement. There are just so many know it all Footbal Managers on here who know even less than Panini Kets.
98 Rotonda heights // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:37 PM
Ian Toon
I think you have summed up it very well what many of us think and hope for there.
99 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:38 PM
leavemyarsealona
first time iv watched that, very interesting
100 Munster Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:42 PM
I cant believe there isnt another attacking right back that we can find, or move Santon over there and find anotehr left back – or try Guti there, although its not ideal. Much as i love Pards, he seems to have got it wrong when he said Ba and Cisse could play together because Ba would come short and Cisse play furthest forward? The team badly lacks creativity at present, but pre season wasnt great on that score either as far as i could see.
101 MagpiesFlyHigh // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:43 PM
Ian
Agree about 4-4-2… Pards is compromising given who he has available… Also Torres would have scored the killer second goal regardless of formation. The team can play crap in 4-4-2 and crap in 4-5-1. That’s how it goes.
Conversion of chances and half chances is d
own to the killer instincts of our strikers and they were just too blunt to be effective. Would have been the same in 4-3-3 or whatever
102 papattack // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:46 PM
check the toastie
nothing to do with ba then and his 16 goals….just ben arfa and cisse
103 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:46 PM
Iaan toon
Well summarised i tried to make the point yesterday that in reality given the players available that was probably the most sensible line up pardew could have picked
MFH
Honestly it was suicidal on here yesterday! One bloke said it was ba’s fault for throwing a paddy and demanding to be played through the middle and then 10 minutrs later he wanted cisse taken off and sold! It was lose lose on here
104 IFC.Toon // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:46 PM
Eventually HBA will have a free role.. How he’s playing and how he’s witching and drifting suggests Pardew is letting him do his own thing
105 AMEOBI // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:48 PM
619nufc,
I voted Jonas also.. Ben arfa ran the show for us, but jonas did class back in defence saved up a few goals
106 papattack // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:49 PM
theres a lot of supporters on this blog who arent very supportive, one good season and everyone thinks we should be winning every game again.
all this 4-4-2 talk is old now, pardews just trying to keep his best players happy and on the pitch. i think he knows more than us fans and should be left to do his job.
107 leavemyarselona // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:49 PM
Gateshead mag im surprised that hasnt been out in open like he goes into detail like
108 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:52 PM
leavemyarselona
i think it was, i can remember at the time it was all over the papers and that, i just never bothered watching it lol, hopefully the board (and joey for that matter) have learned from there mistakes
109 IFC.Toon // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:53 PM
Papattack
Well said and Pardew has reputation for being a master tactician and I’m sure he has genius plans to instigate !
110 619nufc // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:53 PM
Gateshead – Ben Arfa was class, but Jonas stopped so many attacks. Also, you couldn’t see on camera, but I could as I was at the game, he was shouting and organising all game, he kept Santon/Simpson in line and in position all game, such an under-rated input
111 IFC.Toon // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:55 PM
I hope they keep Colo & Jonas involved in the club after they retire.
112 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:55 PM
papattack
a manager has to keep his players happy but not to the detriment of the team.
Ba has an option for me
1. play near enough every game on the left
2. play through the middle but rotate with cisse.
A manager cannot let a player dictate where and how he plays.
Sturridge tried this with Di Matteo….he wouldn’t track back when starting out wide, he only went for goal and didn’t set people up….so he was benched and rarely gets more than 20 minutes.
is sturridge a better option that bertrand…..yes…but if you dont do your job as asked you dont get a go.
If it is true Ba demanded a middle role then he is just lucky he is at a club where there isn’t many better options for us.
113 Rotonda heights // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:55 PM
The way Perch has played lately i would have been tempted to go 433 with him replacing Tiote. 433 can become 451 and vice verca very quickly. Shame we didn’t go for moses instead of best when he was only 2.5M. Would have been ideal out left in a front 3.
114 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:55 PM
619nufc
nice one, always value opinion of people that were at the game as you get too see much more when your there
115 Munster Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:55 PM
Completely agree re Guti, very valuable player to us, and incredible work ethic. Have a feeling Santon will come under pressure soon from Raylor is he doesnt tighten up a bit.
116 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 8:59 PM
I think the only problem with the chelsea game was the 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 (ba did drop just behind cisse sometimes).
A lot of the game balls were played long from defence to attack…there was little involvement from the midfield except ben arfa.
Jonas offers nothing out wide (not his fault as he is clearly given a very defensive role)
Cabaye and Anita had too much to do in the middle…they struggled to contain and this tired them out which ruined them offensively.
117 Ian Toon // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:05 PM
Magpies Fly High- your right at the end of the day we didn’t ‘t take our chances and that had nothing to do with the formation. I thought Mata , Hazard and Torres were outstanding and. Anita is class but is getting used to the Premiership. For the life of me I can’t understand why so many are so negative about our chances. The Europa will help fast track the reserve/ academy players and that will give us strength in numbers which we currently lack. Still think we have a few positive surprises to come before the window closes.
118 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:06 PM
619
Completly agree about jonas the man is a through and through leader fir us on the pitch and seems to be covering 4-5 positions throughout the game! He was basically doing what benny was doing but defensivly he was everywhere for us breaking attacks down!
Transfer sage
I agree no player should demand where they play but i also think its short sighted to say your gonna play on the left all season, players should be picked based on there performances on the pitch and in training etc and at the moment this season i dont think anyone can argue that demba looks like he’s hitting form was great against tottenham and played well against chelsea made some great runs to create space for cisse who was anonymous, carved himself some decent chances out if very little and was unlucky not to score
119 papattack // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:07 PM
IFC.toon
exactly i think he knows what hes doing and has earned the right to be respected in his decision making after last season. also if it isnt broke dont fix it!
transfer saga
totally agree but i dont think ba has been trying to dictate his role, i think the only reason him being on the left was discussed was the fact it coincided with his goals drying up and he was probably just using that as a reason. then the press do what they are good at and twist it. ba’s always said hes happy to do a job for the team.
120 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:11 PM
tads
thats where the rotation policy comes in
Ba is the man in form upfront so should be in ahead of cisse. Cisse can come off the bench and start in europa.
Its the best way, make them both earn every start they get. The competition will spur them on to be the best as they are competing with each other for the one spot.
Then if they both need to play for whatever reason start one on the left, ideally ba but could try cisse too.
So many people and managers (mainly england managers it seems) can grasp that the best team doesn’t always contain the best players.
121 Munster Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:11 PM
I think those who were comfortable about releasing Ba should now realise how useful this guy is to us. He made last season for us. It may turn out that Cisse is the one who doesnt fit us….
122 papattack // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:13 PM
i think the major tweak the team needs is more attack from the right side, santon gets forward but simpsons more defensive. benny seems to be getting more of a free role too but thats difficult with the two strikers on the pitch.
123 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:16 PM
papattack
i think thats right, i was just going off the paper reports but pardew was quoted saying ba would get a more central role, he never said ba demanded one, so i am probably doing him a disservice.
I just want to see pardew be brave and drop players to get his best team out there, not his bets 11.
Maybe pardew thinks this is his best team and he knows them all more than me, i’m just think that we played our best in a 4-3-3.
I know being attacking leaves spaces in behind but all the top teams in the league play fast, attacking football and commit a lot of men forward.
The thing that holds us back seems to be fear and the feeling of inadequacy. Our players are good enough to take control of games.
We might not be as good as man city or chelsea but we are certainly able to go toe to toe with spurs, arsenal and liverpool. These three teams try to dominate games and usually do, we need to let off the shackles and attack and worry teams, not worry about them.
124 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:16 PM
Transfer sage
Agree they should be competing for the spot not both starting for the sake of it, imo cisse should not of started saturday after playing thursday
125 619nufc // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:19 PM
Who would everyone play vs Atromitos?
I’d go
———————Elliot—————–
–Raylor–Simpson –Saylor–Anita
———–Abeid——-Cabaye———
—Ba————HBA——–Campbell
—————-Cisse——————–
126 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:22 PM
tads
I agree, sometimes they can both start but only if it is right, not just to have them both on the pitch.
Do you think we need more signings?
What I think is we do, I dont care who just good players. My point I tried to make earlier which was shot down is that swansea got Michu for 2mil, everton got Mirallas for 4.5mil, west brom got lukaku on loan, etc.
these players would have been good for us and available for very acceptable fees.
Thats my frustration, not that we haven’t spent the ‘extra million here and there’ on players, just that we have missed out on relatively cheap and good alternatives if our first choice are too expensive.
127 NUFC STEVE // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:25 PM
Would anyone prefer we spent the “12m” for Carroll on somewhere else????(a winger and a CB)
128 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:26 PM
team for thursday
harper
tavernier williamson perch raylor
obertan abeid cabaye marveux
amalfitano
cisse
with campbell coming on on early second half
129 619nufc // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:27 PM
I put Anita at LB ‘cos he got rave reviews as a fullback in holland, so we may as well look at him
130 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:27 PM
nufc steve
id be happy with carrol and debuchy me like
131 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:28 PM
@619nufc
——————–krul——————–
santon—–perch—taylor—-raylor
——————–tiote——————
————–cabaye—–anita——–
—–HBA———–cisse——-marvoux—-
I would rest jonas as he works very hard.
Colo could miss out as he is returning from injury and needed more against villa.
Ba is in form so play Cisse to try and get him up to speed.
Get he midfield 3 of cabaye, tiote and anita used to playing together.
Try santon on the right in a competitive game.
Then give HBA a free role to wander and create.
132 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:30 PM
@nufc steve
yes…carroll money could be spent so much wiser, not that I object to him coming, just dont want it to be at the expense of defensive options.
@619nufc
is your name in anyway a reference to rey mysterio?
133 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:30 PM
Sage
I think realistically we need 2-3 signings
I think we do need a CB tbh because as much as i like the lad its to dangerous to rely on s.taylor all season, fb tbf im not as bothered as some dont think simmo is a bad as made out and at worst i think santon could shift to RB and would be confident with jonas at LB, mind you after all the debuchy shite i’d like to see him sign purely cos it feels like he’s already been here for months!
Pieters i think would be a good shout can play CB/LB
Think we need another CF as AP said a young striker but would like to see that gamero lad we were linked with last year
But i think we desperatly need some cover/competition for cabaye cos when he’s having a bad game we look shocking!
134 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:30 PM
transfer sage
strong team, you really think wel need that many starters?? i think wel have far to much for them at our place, bloody hope so anyway as il be at the game!! haha
135 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:33 PM
Gateshead
Agree with starting amalfitano was really impressed with his cameo in the away leg would like to see him start a game see what he can do i think he was signed to push the first team so need to give him some runs out
136 Munster Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:33 PM
tRANSFER sAGE, YOU MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT THE PLAYERS WE HAVE MISSED. ITS POSSIBLE THAT WE OVERRATE OUR TANSFER NETWORK AND UNDERRATE OTHERS. SORRY FOR SHOUTING, OOPS!
137 Lee Dodd // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:34 PM
Just Got My Ticket For Thursday – i think we will have a New Signing by Then !!!!!!!!!! Carroll for Thursday Night !!! Debouchy also !!!!
138 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:34 PM
Transfer sage,
None of us know the inner workings of the club,but Carr can’t be at every game in every league and even if we did show interest, some players won’t sign unless they get guaranteed starting places: eg I think we could have maybe got Luuk De Jong if we could have said he would be starting week in week out,how do you know Michu would have came if he was told he would only be playing Thursday nights until Ba or Cisse went on ACON or got injured for 25K a week,how do we know that all our players said we don’t want Adam Johnson here he’s a wan*er,all I do know is that I’ll be really upset about the money I spend on this club I love if the only signing of note this summer is Vernon Anita.
139 APBWA // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:34 PM
would like to see ben arfa and cabaye have more free roles in CM/CAM, then also defend when they dont have the ball, then an attacking RB so the full backs would bring the width in attack… way forward imo, look at city, albeit with great players, but 4-2-2-2, completely dominating midfield
140 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:34 PM
@tads
mirallas at 23 would have been a great addition for me (5.3mil to everton)
I would like pieters or debuchy and yanga mbiwa (my only two signings i think we need)
@gateshead
I dont think we need that strong a team but I think it’s important we get the lads as many games together as possible now to get them used to playing together again and introduce anita to the main lads.
After villa we have an international break so not sure how much rest/game time they will get during that week.
141 619nufc // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:35 PM
@Transfersage
Lol yes it is…I first came up with the name when I was 10, and used it for every account I’ve ever created, so I’ve just kept it over the years, please don’t judge…
142 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:36 PM
tads
he did more in his 20 mins or whatever it was than gosling did all game, looks like a confident flair type player, a right footed ben arfa of the future…….hopefully
143 Indian Magpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:38 PM
Getafe’s player Morocon linked with us having a tremendous game
a goal and an assist against Real madrid
144 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:39 PM
@jail
I didn’t mean those players specifically, I was just making a comparison that while we have been pursuing targets other clubs have got some very good players at relatively low fees.
Also Carr is the tip of the ice berg. He will have connections himself, the club will have multiple scouts watching multiple leagues.
I dont know which league we scout (other than french and dutch as the papers mainly say) but surely we have a scout of two in spain. Its one of the most technical league in the world so we must have somebody there watching people.
I just think that if the club dont want to pay the fees for the players we have been linked with there should have been a much more effective back up plan.
Unless they are very confident we will get some of them close to deadline day.
145 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:40 PM
Sage
Mirallas would of been an exciting prospect although as JFA mentioned we dont who the club have/havent scouted, it seems for us to want a player they have to meet a lot of criteria, also its whether the player would be happy to move here for a bench role,
Think the one im gutted about is it seems everton have landed niang the lad looks a great player
146 bollance // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:40 PM
Remember back in the day when we dropped clangers at the back – bramble and his lack of concentration. Can’t really remember any bad defensive lapses last season except vs west brom away and free kick against liverpool away
We are much stronger at the back now. Makes a massive difference. Maybe that is the key
147 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:41 PM
@619
I can hardly criticise a persons name on here with one like mine haha.
I just read yours and thought…i know that number is familiar and then it all came back to me haha. good childhood memories.
148 Munster Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:43 PM
Aside from Debuchy, I cant see us doing much at transfer deadline – it doesnt seem to be our style. I think, if we dont invest, we should see this as a poor window, and an opportunity wasted. To say otherwise shows a complete lack of ambition for the club. Remember, most fans arent expecting us to spend silly money , just appropriate amounts around the 6-7 mill for players who are worth this.
149 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:43 PM
Indian magpie
Who’s that?
Gateshead
Fingers crossed would be great to have a benny mark2 in the team, not sure who, but there was a lad on here the other day saying he saw amalfitano play last season and was well impressed with the lad
150 nick_9 // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:44 PM
NufcSteve yes I would prefer 12 million to be spent on a couple of players and not Carroll. 12 million would go along way for us with graham Carr in charge, two quality players judging by recent signings. I don’t even rate Carroll that highly, he can’t get in te Liverpool team and has a rubbish scoring record. Would rather sign Antoine Sibierski again and have him upfront
151 Munster Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:46 PM
Interestingly, unless Cisse starts to work harder, this brilliant finisher may become the one who is dropped if Pards decides to play Ba centrally, and get Marveaux and Ben Arfa far up the pitch. I still think he will play a lot of 4-4-2 this season in order to get both men on the pitch. To get both men on, and Ben Arfa roaming, means that Debuchy is not what we want as our right winger will be a mess defensively.
152 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:46 PM
@munster
I posted earlier but left before I had chance to see replies.
I saw on sky sports news that next season the new sky contract starts where clubs get an extra 70% in tv money. And also the BT deal starts giving even more.
Maybe Ashley is keeping sensible this year, not buying too many, just enough to keep us top 8ish and see what happens. Then next year when we have a lot more money we can spend a bit bigger and still be in a self sufficient model.
Or……he saw we did very well last year with this current team and he is just expecting pardew to achieve the same.
I mean we were 9 points ahead of everton and 13 head of liverfool so maybe he thinks it wont take much to stay ahead of them.
153 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:48 PM
Munster,
Hold back fella till the windows closed,then those that are sceptical can vent their feelings as to wether the club has ambition or not.
154 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:48 PM
nick 9
when it comes to carrolls scoring record at liverpool, you have to realise most of his appearences are coming from the bench not to mention the pressure of the price tag
not just that hes never really had a decent run in the team apart from the end of last season where he looked immense, anyone that watched the 2 2 draw with chelsea in fa cup will have seen the carrol of old, we know what carrol can do for us i for one would welcome him back with open arms, and i think hed thrive once again being back at home
155 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:48 PM
right new idea people
lest just play 2-5-3
we will win every game 7-3 and be league champs and entertained.
ps. if anyone has pardews email please feel free to pass this plan on
156 Indian Magpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:49 PM
TADS
Abdel Barrada
157 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:50 PM
@gateshead
I would welcome him back too…..i just think we have more pressing priorities than another striker at the moment.
We need a full back and centre back before a forward.
158 NUFC STEVE // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:50 PM
When I think about our nxt 2 fixture we will lead ourselves for a big fall against everton which cud be costly.4-4-2 wil beat villa easy so we will keep it for everton but we all seen wat happened last year with them????
159 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:50 PM
transfer sage
youve got to think tho every premier league club will have that extra money, so it wont be that much of an advantage
160 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:52 PM
@gateshead
I know it wont be an advantage.
I just think we will spend more as it will keep us self sufficient.
Also it could be an advantage as a lot of clubs waste money on big, unnecessary fees.
Our financial prudence mixed with higher income could give us an edge.
161 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:53 PM
sage
i know we need people in at the back but the fact is we had no strikers on the bench for chelsea, carrol offers us something extra aswell as being another striker, just think we should do it IF we can get him for 12, after all they said the right players at the right prices, all this about a 20 million budget is pure speculation that people have turned into fact
162 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:54 PM
Indian magpie
Cheers mate cant say i know much about him, CAM?
163 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:54 PM
http://www.thenational.ae/sport/football/marseille-forward-loic-remy-is-a-man-in-demand
todays latest on remy
nothing much new really
164 nick_9 // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:54 PM
I think we would revert to lumping it forward all the time, if it got us goal I wouldn’t care but I just think value for money he isn’t. If he had no previous with us and I wasn’t maybe slightly blinkered by it then I still don’t think I would want him here for the money quoted.
Does anyone think we should carry on looking at the lower league teams for players? When you consider ita where players like young, bale, chamberlain and Walcott came from it shows there is talent every so often.
165 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:55 PM
sage
hope so pal
166 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:56 PM
@gateshead
Carroll works for me but like i say, as long as the funds are still available for a defender.
If its one or the other i want the defender.
And i think we should play 1 up top so cisse and Ba would do for me with shola and campbell back up.
167 nick_9 // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:56 PM
Like bigirimana for us, I think this lad is already capable of stepping in.
20 million budget? I don’t buy it.
168 toonarmydownsouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:57 PM
Any1 think malaga would noticed if we swapped xisco for isco?
169 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:57 PM
nick 9
we wouldnt have to play hump ball, purely get the ball into the box, which we try to do now, om sure some people think we play like barcelona lol
you always need a different option, even the very best teams cant win every game playing exactly the same style, chelsea beat barca, and spain had to switch from 6 midfielders to putting torres up front to play different styles and beat different opposition
170 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:58 PM
nick_9
we need to be raiding as many academies as possible in my opinion.
Pick players up from the age 14-19, arsenal do this better than anyone.
Train your own and supplement with the best from the world, it just takes a huge scouting set up and a lot of connections.
We also play too long anyway when we play 4-4-2, at least with carroll it has a chance to work.
171 Munster Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:59 PM
But Transfer Sage, Liverpool will improve significantly on last season – i’m sure by 10 points or more – and Everton seem to have both ambition, and a scouting network. I still hope we will make signings, but logic dictates that we had our chance. Debuchy at best methinks, but maybe Douglas in January? Mind you. i’m not sure what Douglas offers ahead of Taylor, unless Pards fancies playing 3 at the back?
172 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2012 at 9:59 PM
No matter how well we done last season and how much faith we put in Carr and Pards,I will see it as a real slap in the face for us paying fans if after selling Forster and Best and ridding the wage bill of Smith if the only signing is Anita,especially seeing our lowly rivals just splash out 25M,but I am reserving judgement.
173 Munster Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:00 PM
Sage @ 160 – that assumes Ashley would spend it ….
174 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:01 PM
Munster
I never meant my view was we are safe from everton and Liverpool.
I was just speculating that might be why Ashley hasn’t spent much yet.
175 Indian Magpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:02 PM
TADS
not sure, on SKY score center on team line ups line up on LEFT Wing
176 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:03 PM
Ashley needs jailing.
177 nick_9 // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:03 PM
We do lump it forward a lot now but with Carroll in the team It would be the easier option to jump get rid in any direction and hope for the best ala Simpson. Unless Pardew wants Carroll to play at the back, I remember him saying we need some height at the back
178 mot7 // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:03 PM
i realy dont want carroll he realy needs a team that would play to his strenghts . wingers that cross the ball midfeilders running off him .if a team is geard towards him he is a handfull we arnt going in that direction with the players we have got
179 ToonDownSouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:04 PM
Everyone constantly moans about Ashley, but surely the money is there – we’ve been making plenty of bids, after all.
I have a feeling the problem with signings lies in Lambias. After all, he’s the ‘negotiator’. Thoughts?
180 Gateshead-Mag // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:05 PM
reet am off to pray at my carrol shrine
ciao!!
181 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:06 PM
TDS
Possibly.
But If that’s the case Ashley needs to look into why deals are falling apart and hold llambias to account.
182 nick_9 // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:07 PM
It’s all fine and dandy making bids but when they are so low one of two things is going to happen. The selling club laugh at us and publicly slate us for trying to steal their player or we get a bargain player.
183 Blaydon-Toon // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:07 PM
Been reading blog for a while but this is my first post so go easy on me …… As long as we keep hold of our key players and add two in this window i will be happy formations will be mixed all season(i hope) but def think 4-5-1 would suit our current crop o players as ba and cisse individually good player but do not play as a duo ! Rather get an attacking foward/winger in the mould of Junior hoilett £4 or more expensive Victor moses with Benny either side of BA/Cisse
184 Indian Magpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:08 PM
I think DEKA does what ASh tells him to do, gives him an upper limit on wages and transfer fee for ever transfer
185 nick_9 // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:08 PM
The club either look great for getting a player on the cheap or appear to fans as though they are making the effort
186 USToonRaider // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:09 PM
@Ian Toon and others..well said well said
All this whining about formations and he lack of cohesion/fit in the 4-4-2 is correct..however
Tiote was injured. So….any thought of a 4-2-3-1 must be remembered in that light.
With his injury and lack of a quality attacking RB…the 4-2-3-1 must wait
I think most Toon fans see the potential of quality defense and exciting midfield control/attack of a 4-2-3-1 if we get Debuchy at RB
I must say……
(4)Debuchy-Colo-STaylor-Santon
(2) Tiote-Anita
(3)HBA-Cabaye-Marv
(1) Cisse/Ba
Is clearly first class and with time to gel and form cohesion and fitness together, can IMO play with any side in the world.
However…with the window closing…without Debuchy and the depth at CB we need….it may be a pipedream.
As for Ba/Cisse..both are excellent finishers, ball strikers and good in the air…..but they are also too similar to play side by side and neither is quick/skilled enough to play on the wing.
Its not an attack…..its just the facts. There will be more than enough playing time for both….Why not share the time at Center Striker?
But overall….9th on the table with this week?…..Im well pleased….just keep Tiote and move forwards Lads
187 LewSpi // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:11 PM
Munster Mag
I was thinking this the other day, I think we could easily shape into 3 at the back, in one of 2 ways.
——————-Krul
———-Saylor Colo (newCB)
Santon—————————Jonas(Fergie)
——————-Tiote
——–Cabaye———Anita
—————–Ben Arfa
—————–Cisse(Ba)
OR
ways.
——————-Krul
———-Saylor Colo (newCB)
——————-Tiote
——–Cabaye———Anita
Ben Arfa——————–Marveaux
————Cisse——-Ba
188 BelfastMagpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:13 PM
I hate that little twat Llambias.
He just has one of them faces.. lol
Have always found it strange that Ashley employs a casino owner to run a football club.
Especially when he had no previous experience.
189 papattack // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:14 PM
transfer sage
i agree with the best team part and not best players but i do think its difficult which to go for.
sometimes having your best players on wins you the game i.e spurs, other games you have the best team out play good football and control the game but lose. its the gamble of having the matchwinners on or trying to control the game.
i think we’ll have a good season as long as we dont unlucky with injuries and can add a couple.
looking forward to us running riot against villa, they look very poor
190 SupaToonKid // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:14 PM
If we’re prepared to offer £10-12M for Carroll, I’d rather we spent that on Moussa Dembelé. He’d add so much to our side with creativity, versatility & attacking threat. No offence to Raylor etc. but our bench doesn’t look very dangerous in a way that could impact the game.
I’d love us to sign Douglas & Dembelé before the window closes. A FB (still think Debuchy could happen) as well would be great. Remy would be my second FW option if we missed out on Dembelé.
191 ToonDownSouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:15 PM
I just feel that the chairman should probably be more accountable than the owner.
After all, the chairman is the one who actually runs the club. The owner will simply set financial targets and on-field targets.
192 Blaydon-Toon // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:21 PM
Great shout supatoonkid on Dembele but would he come ….
193 Jonny // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:22 PM
Does Cabaye look over-weight and unfit to anyone else?
194 Transfer Sage // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:23 PM
TDS
It’s difficult.
If the owner sets a small budget then its hard for the chairman to work.
Papattack
I still see us having a good season. People would have taken 3 points from these 2 games.
I just hope the performances improve with more games, that’s been the disappointment.
But with cisse, cabaye and ben arfa missing a lot of pre season that could be why.
195 papattack // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:23 PM
dembele was a machine against united, to be fair he probably wanted to impress after the rumours they want him.. but still class player.
196 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:37 PM
Although I’ve been posting for awhile now I’d promised that if this window was exciting I would change my moniker to something more Ashley friendly,but so far nothing has happened to change my mind.
197 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:39 PM
STK,
How does anybody know that he would wsnt to move up here for 25K a week.
198 ToonDownSouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:43 PM
Sage
The budget doesn’t seem too small, considering the offers tabled for Carroll
199 BandB // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:45 PM
What is the opposite of a neggar? Is it a Posser? A Poser?
A Tosser?
I don’t personally buy the “we got outplayed by Chelsea, as they can afford to spend £80m on players.” argument. Ten years ago, we were the bigger club. We still have much larger gates. We both have billionaire owners. The difference is that Chelsea’s owner sees his club as a sporting proposition. He wants style and success.
Ours is an Anglo-Saxon capitalist. His heart is in asset stripping.
I’m not much interested in blind faith or zealotry. It creates hysterical pipsqueak little Ayatollahs screaming “burn the traitor” at anyone who offers constructive criticism.
More positive, I think, to say “I’m not sure where we are going here”, than sit back for a smug “I told you so” later.
The business plan has been laid out. Carr said: “if we don’t get who we want for what we want, we won’t buy anyone.”
Pardew said: “the target for last season was eighth. It still is.”
We’ve been told.
This is the business plan that’s “the envy of the league.”
We won’t buy defenders who don’t have the potential to clear £5m profit in two years time. Debuchy himself, in castigating the Lille chairman for not allowing him to go, argued that as a defender, he’d never be worth more than six million. Do Ashley’s maths.
We’ll likely sell any midfielders who clear the £10 to £15 million profit bar. Talk of £25 million before we sell Tiote or Cabaye is whistling in the dark. Ashley will sell at the highest price, even if that is deadline day. He’ll tell Pardew. “You have other players I’m paying. Play them!”
They’ll hope to get £25 million for Cisse. It’s a five year plan. Not a six or a ten year one. What is at the end of five years? A European trophy? It’s possibly that’s not his priority.
Llambias’s gobsh*t* trashing of clubs he’s screwed suggests not networking for the future, but barrow boy braggadocio. It suggests five years is their out. Not a penny lost. Bailed out (by us) and bailing out. Cockney pride satisfied.
Football is about competition.
Football needs business acumen. But it’s a sporting, and not a business, venture.
You can draw up as many alternative line-ups as you like. You are shuffling 11 players, and that could be 10 or nine soon. I’d love to be wrong.
I am not trying to prosletyse for my opinions. Better I think to say “I’m not sure where we are going” now, than sit back for a smug “I told you so” later.
Some guy called Einstein once said that the definition of madness was doing the same failed thing in the hope that next time it will work. That’s for Pardew’s 4-4-2. Some other guy called Jesus also said “you shall no the tree by its fruit.” That’s for Mike Ashley and the other “big beasts” on this site.
Judgement day is five days away.
200 Magpies-till-d3ath // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:46 PM
Twente defender Douglas will decide on his future by Tuesday. He prefers a move to #NUFC over #Fulham. (via @tctubvoetbal).
201 ToonDownSouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:50 PM
BandB
That’s an awful lot of guess work and assumptions you’ve got there – which you seem to be putting across as fact.
202 ToonDownSouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:54 PM
I don’t even know how to reply to your post.
You have plenty of valid points, but they’re so mixed in with the ridiculous that I don’t know where to start.
203 mot7 // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:57 PM
i hate the fact every signing we make has to a sell on value why should we become a feeder club for the so called big boys if we pay 10 or 15 mill for a player and he gives us 4 or 5 good seasons then goes for less than we paid is that bad buisness why cant we buy some just because we need them and they would make us a better team not because they might make us a few quid down the line
204 nufc786 // Aug 26, 2012 at 10:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watchv=viUR0cfjE28&feature=player_embedded
ben arfa vs chelsea
205 ToonDownSouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:00 PM
mot7
When was the last time we sold a player to ‘one of the big boys’ ?
206 BandB // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:01 PM
Toondownsouth.
Not facts. I wouldn’t claim that. We are all equal in our opinions. Just “genuine” speculation, as those journalists would say
207 Paps // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:02 PM
Bandb
To start, abromovich is far richer than ashley. plus ashley has most of his cash invested. as for the rest, i didnt read as u dont really make any worthwhile points
#Timewaster
208 Offkey // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:04 PM
At this point my issue is not whether we sell players for huge sums once we have had a few good years out of them. I would just like us to sign some players, I’ll moan about the sales when they happen.
209 BelfastMagpie // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:05 PM
I hate the,he’s over 28 he’s to old bollox.
Dempsey would do nicely.
Too old tho lol
210 dmac // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:05 PM
Im slightly inclined to agree with the previous post @paps.
For an opinion which was so well worded (and congrats on taking part without offending anyone which has become rare here) there really was little in the way of a point.
211 NUFC STEVE // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:07 PM
Lads we kept somethin like 10 clean sheets last year without tiote for about 10 games and saylor for nearly all year!!!!We need a winger and a ryt back/CB.We hav the 2 of thebest strikers in the league.Why do people think Carroll should come???
212 ToonDownSouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:08 PM
At the end of the day, if Ashley & Lambias improve NUFC in every way – which currently, they have – then sell up, who cares?
I’d be happy with that. In fact, that’s what I’m hoping for. However, asset stripping the club does not make financial sense – because the assets are all part of the selling price of the club.
213 ToonDownSouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:09 PM
Steve
I thought we kept more than that – we kept the 3rd highest # clean sheets in the league, behind Manchester.
214 mot7 // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:10 PM
toondown south
i said so called big boys i dont conssider any prem club bigger than newcastle but it does seem its ashley plan to buy cheap and then SELL at inflated prices to the only clubs that can pay that sort of money they are the so called big boys my point is why cant we buy a player because we want him not for what he may make us
215 BandB // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:11 PM
Well Joey and Kevin persuaded Andy that Liverpool were big boys. Only Hatem is going to go to a European superpower. If I was Ashley, a money man who thinks money, I’d want Liverpool and Villa, and Everton, to be big boys too. Expands the market.
216 NUFC STEVE // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:14 PM
Alot of people forget why we were desperate for a CB in Jan was because Saylor was injured.I agree will is an average replacement but our team is going stale in other areas IMO.
217 ToonDownSouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:17 PM
We can speculate about this ‘buy cheap, sell high’ policy all day – but currently, there hasn’t been one single example.
Maybe Bassong? But that was a slightly different era – pre relegation – and an argument could be made for the need to sell a crap defending for stupid money.
218 BandB // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:18 PM
Paps
I celebrate your opinion. Mine is a long, literate, and thoughtfully constructed argument. It’s what I think. You didn’t have to read it. Chucky egg.
219 NUFC STEVE // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:21 PM
I think it’s grand selling players for high money as long as its invested back into the team to make it better???However u could argue someone like Tiote/Benny is irreplaceable?
220 ToonDownSouth // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:26 PM
Steve
I’d disagree on Tiote, but agree that Hatem is irreplaceable simply because players like him cost an awful awful lot of money! Luckily for us, he had a terrible attitude, and for some strange reason was desperate to join a newly promoted team
But like I said, we haven’t actually sold any star names yet.
221 Tommyy // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:32 PM
BandB – best post I’ve read in a long time. You put forward the thoughts that scuttle throughout my mind in a far more eloquent and succinct form. Bravo sir… Bravo.
222 Sazzer // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:37 PM
It went from signing dozen, to 1 and 3 youngsters. Then to keeping our best players. Then to hoping other teams doesn’t do even better in the transfer market than they already have.
Tottenham got a 8 m £ bid rejected on Isco today. So good news they haven’t still can’t find any good players.
223 NUFC STEVE // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:37 PM
TOWNY
TOTALLY TOTALLY disagree on tiote.I mightn’t be sayin this by Friday at 12 but he is the heart of our team and is everything good about our spirit and never say die attitude???
Being honest and I myt be biased but I think he’s up there in the top 5-10 holding midfielders in the world??
224 Paps // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:38 PM
Bandb
Youve won my respect back
225 SupaToonKid // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:42 PM
I do not know if Dembelé would join us as I am not him or his representatives so do not know what he would see as a good move. I simply suggest him as a play who would greatly improve our squad’s attacking options. He can play CAM, LW, RW & CF and is a top player. I think he would join us personally as we are possible top 4 candidates.
226 dunzer1990 // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:44 PM
BandB
Totally disagree mate, there can be no comparison to NUFC and Chelsea, yes we get bigger gates and yes we both have billionaire owners but Abramovich has spent a billion in assembling a squad that hasn’t properly challenged for the title in 3 years.
They won the Champions League but the gods of fates smiled heavily upon them in doing so and have spent 80million quid this season to rectify the mismanagement of that club in order to try and obtain the PL and CL again.
Abramovich doesn’t treat Chelsea as a sporting venture he treats it as his own personal plaything, he signs players that he wants without consulting the manager (Schevchenko) and sacks managers even when they are working within his remit (AVB was tasked with the job of remolding the club and got sacked for doing it)
We were just outclassed by a better more expensive side and I for one do not agree that if deadline day passes and we still have no more signings that the end is nigh for us, it goes to show what little faith you have in our lads going forward.
The season is 38 games long and we have 3 points from 2 games with a much more exciting XI than we had last season, players are getting sharper and youngsters are clipping at the heels to get playing in the first team.
We do not have to spend big in order to compete, I for one like the way the club is being run and hopes it is run in this fashion for years to come. Stability is the name of the game, not breaking the bank to obtain CL football like Chelsea are doing.
227 mot7 // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:45 PM
its not only nufc that want to buy cheap and sell high all clubs would love to be able to do it i just think that if we let teams cherry pick our best players we will be seen as a steping stone .we need to create our own success so the top players want to stay and more will want to come then when we do sell its at a time and price we want and a replcement has been brought in intime . not quick grab the money because someone is willing to pay 20 mill for tiote on deadline day and we can wait untill january to pretend to find a replacement
228 NUFC STEVE // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:51 PM
Honestly speaking how much do we all think Newcastle will spend by Friday?
229 Novocastrian66 // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:57 PM
I’m not convinced we will buy anyone.
230 mot7 // Aug 26, 2012 at 11:58 PM
6 mill tops but aleast it means wil have done some buissness just hope that we are not 18 – 20 mill richer come friday night
231 Sazzer // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:00 AM
What is Xisco costing us on a daily basis?
232 ToonDownSouth // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:03 AM
You lot should stop getting your hopes up. I accepted back in June that it was very unlikely we would do any business. Hence the club actually exceeded my expectations by purchasing Anita.
It’s hard to be disappointed if you have no expectations.
233 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:05 AM
I expext us to buy a defender (hopefully Debuchy) and the striker situation will be left till January. Shame like
234 BandB // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:09 AM
Dembele is Johnny Seven, one man midfielder. And thanks Paps. I know you want the same things I do. The rest is just lovely, lovely, football.
235 ToonDownSouth // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:09 AM
BPC
That’s your problem mate – the expectation
Now, if we don’t sign a defender, you’ll be gutted.
236 mot7 // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:10 AM
xisco f*** forgot about him no wonder ashley is wary of the transfer market when that little c**t wise helped dip his pocket and run off laughing
.would have been dissapointed if we had won xisco in a raffle
237 Big Pappa Cissé // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:14 AM
Most people dont want the whole world from Ashley just for him to make a statement. I dont expect him to shell out 70 million but with us breaking even and making alot of money last year I would have been happy with 15 million to strengthen our weak squad especially with our schedule
238 mot7 // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM
no point in loving football if you cant get a little exited at the start of the season wondering who might join us worrying about who might leave the hope that you might get that player that gets you off your seat . kind of depressing not expecting anything to happen just so as you dont feel dissapointed
239 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM
I’d rather see us sign Dembele than Carroll. Dembele will be £5m cheaper and we can put that towards the Debuchy transfer.
240 NUFC STEVE // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:25 AM
Mateo Musacchio anyone?Argentinian at villareal was valued at about 10 mil last year but since they got relegated would be 4-5 at the most
241 mot7 // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:28 AM
nufc steve what possition does he play
242 Sazzer // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:29 AM
Kets all depending on price but I would take Dembele over Carroll even if would cost 3 m £ more.
Not sure Dembele would be cheaper expecially with Dempsey situation going on.
It’s seems it’s more value to be made in Italy, Spain and France due to their financial situation at moment.
243 NUFC STEVE // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:29 AM
CB
244 ToonDownSouth // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:29 AM
mot7
Why? Because the only exciting thing about football is new players? We have a very exciting group of players, and I enjoy watching them play football.
I also know what the clubs owners are like. The second Lille revealed that we’d bid £4m for Debuchy, it was pretty clear we were taking the piss!
245 NUFC STEVE // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:30 AM
Plus hes 21
246 mot7 // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:38 AM
toon down south
yes we do have a very good set of players but we cant stand still when other teams are strenghening and its not only the fans who want to see new players coming in our best players will also want to see that we want to improve . not saying its going to happen but i aint gone stop hoping it will just incase i get dissapointed
247 Sazzer // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:41 AM
I might add that I think that both Carroll and Dembele would be too expensive for us.
Musacchio could be value for money but I would he’s isn’t tall enough. He would be back-up for Colo, and we already have Perch. I think we look for taller CB.
248 Sazzer // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:44 AM
NUFC STEVE
What’s your view on Musacchio?
249 NUFC STEVE // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:46 AM
Sazzer
good point but i think he could turn into the next colo .Around the same height…Zapata also at villareal cud be good. there in league 2 so i imagine their players will just all be leaving.
250 BandB // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:55 AM
TDS
I’ve read your post about asset stripping. Maybe I don’t fully get it myself. But the received wisdom is the you strip out the high value assets, and sell them as blue chip. The rest you bundle together as lean and mean and ripe for redevelopment. Y’know, ye olde privatisation thingy.!
251 nufc7lad // Aug 27, 2012 at 1:00 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1298248-why-manchester-city-should-break-the-bank-to-sign-mateo-musacchio
252 ToonDownSouth // Aug 27, 2012 at 1:03 AM
BandB
Yeah, that’s fair enough – but seeing as on-field success (to a degree) is the way we’ll be running at a profit, it’s in Ashley’s interests to keep us fairly competative. After all, we recieved an extra £12m this season solely for the jump we made up the table.
Not sure if you ever read the comments on here, but I just usually find peoples valuations of our players absolutely mental. Talking £30m for Tiote, etc. It seems every transfer now has to be compared to Andy Carroll.
253 petesull // Aug 27, 2012 at 1:05 AM
Sorry lads just want to let ye that I just got my new home jersey in the post a minute ago….. I f$$king love….. All d way from australia
254 Sazzer // Aug 27, 2012 at 1:07 AM
Zapata was said to have signed for Milan. He didn’t play for them today so it might have failed.
Are you sure his height wasn’t the reason the got relegated and his value dropped? Just kidding. If we sign him I will trust the scouting team and it will probably be a good one.Cannavaro was one of the greatest despite his height.
255 Sazzer // Aug 27, 2012 at 1:11 AM
petesull
Are you happy with the Chris Good signing? Maybe, his name on the back? I hope you have the best of times in it.
256 mattnufc // Aug 27, 2012 at 1:15 AM
petesull
I hope it’s not a Newcastle Jet’s top
257 Sazzer // Aug 27, 2012 at 1:16 AM
nufc7lad
Break the bank? Nice article though. His pass% was awful. Interceptions good.
258 petesull // Aug 27, 2012 at 1:16 AM
Never heard of him here….. I’m Irish but living here the last 4 years….. Dont really follow soccer over here….. IMO not a great level…..
259 Sazzer // Aug 27, 2012 at 1:18 AM
There away jersey is fine if I remember correctly.
260 Sazzer // Aug 27, 2012 at 1:20 AM
petesull
I see.
261 petesull // Aug 27, 2012 at 1:29 AM
I don’t comment much on this lads but do ye agree that Simpson offers absolutely nothing to the team….. We have to get debuchy
262 Toon73 // Aug 27, 2012 at 2:20 AM
I’m the opposite Pete – got my home shirt delivered from the UK this morning CISSE 9
Still confident of Douglas and a ST this week perhaps Toivonen.
263 Sav // Aug 27, 2012 at 2:20 AM
We certainly need Debuchy if we are to make anything of getting Carroll back, because without Enrique, we need someone who can cross a ball. Having said that, there’s been rubbish spouted about Jonas, who, imo, was vital yesterday. The guy was everywhere and if the rest were as alert and hard-working at this stage in the season, we might have got something from Stamford Bridge. Also credit to Anita for playing full 180 minutes in 48 hours.
264 JAMSHA // Aug 27, 2012 at 3:10 AM
any1 knows how to stop auto sub in the league?
265 Brutooon // Aug 27, 2012 at 4:26 AM
1) Jonas is hardworking but no end product
2) Jonas can play left back or right back but i PREFER Santon. He still trying to adapt with the premierleague so give this lad a chance. Jose Enrique took two season and one championship years before he improve a lot.
266 magpiebop // Aug 27, 2012 at 4:58 AM
Team for Thursday
Harper.
Tavernier,Perch,Williamson,Ferguson.
Bigirimana,Tiote.
Amilfitano,Vuckic,Marveaux.
Campbell.
267 89Norcal // Aug 27, 2012 at 5:15 AM
Arsene Wenger in 2007:
“I guarantee Henry will NOT LEAVE Arsenal this summer..”
Arsene Wenger in 2011:
“Cesc and Nasri ARE STAYING”
Arsene Wenger in Jun 2012:
“I am certain Robin will STAY with us”
Arsene Wenger in Aug 2012:
“There’s nothing going on with Song…We’ve never had any contact with Barcelona”
Arsene in Aug 2012:
“Tiote is a good player, but he’s not on his way to Arsenal.”
I don’t like where this is going.
268 magpiebop // Aug 27, 2012 at 5:23 AM
Or rather
Krul.
Perch,Williamson,Good,Santon.
Bigirimana,Anita.
Amalfitano,Gosling,Marveaux.
Ameobi.
Anyway plenty of options.
269 Toon73 // Aug 27, 2012 at 5:31 AM
Team for Europa this week:
—–Harper—–
Tav—Perch—Willo—Raylor
—–Bigi—–Gosling
Obertan–Cabaye–Marv–
—–Cisse—–
Subs: Elliot, Abeid, Amal, Campbell, Fergie, Vuckic, Good
270 magpiebop // Aug 27, 2012 at 5:52 AM
Definitive
Harper.
Perch,Williamson,Good,Ferguson.
Bigirimana,Anita.
Amilfitano,Vuckic,Marveaux.
Campbell.
That’s settled!!!!!!!!
Tavernier was caught out especially in the first half at fullback. We could give him another chance because he improved second half or go wii Perch the main fullback challenger for the first team. It’s interesting that Tavernier was played at centreback pre season to good reviews and that could be his best position . Want to see more of Tavernier but not sure if this is the right game.
271 magpiebop // Aug 27, 2012 at 5:59 AM
Amalfitano showed enough last week as sub to oust Obertan. Hope Obertan is sold before thursdays game to be honest!
272 Toon73 // Aug 27, 2012 at 6:23 AM
Can see Anita being rested for Villa
Can’t see perch at RB.
273 newcastle.jamaica // Aug 27, 2012 at 6:52 AM
I think we should play 4-3-1-2
Raylor–Colo–Saylor–Santon
Tiote–
Cabaye–Jonas
Ben-Arfa
Ba–Cisse
274 newcastle.jamaica // Aug 27, 2012 at 6:55 AM
I think we should play 4-3-1-2
Raylor–Colo–Saylor–Santon
—-Tiote–
————–Cabaye——–Jonas
————–Ben-Arfa
———Ba–————-Cisse
275 NUFC141 // Aug 27, 2012 at 8:15 AM
im quite frustated with the way we play our game. we tends to defend more in the last 2 games rather than goin out to attack. Attacking is the best defending rite? we are clueless with the ball when we are attacking. everyone seems to wait rather than move/run ard to create openings etc.. dun hav to play beautiful football but pass-and-run works for me… simple can be beautiful too!
276 RedMissionBells // Aug 27, 2012 at 8:24 AM
We need to sign a Right Back and Left Winger as soon as possible.
Danny Simpson is very uncomfortable on the ball. Most of his passes are back to Coloccini. When he does cross the ball, he is in fact, ‘chopping’ the ball. This technique create a floating cross which is less effective in our league as the strikers are always very tightly marked. Simpson will make a very good squad player, definitely not a first team player. We also need to replace Jonas. He is better suited for long distance running than football. He does not create enough. TBH, if Jonas assist more than 4 times in a season, he has overachieved. Neither does he score a lot. We need quality.
277 NUFC141 // Aug 27, 2012 at 8:26 AM
Team for thurs…
———————-Harper————————
Raylor — Saylor — Williamson — Santon
————- Anita ————- Bigi ————–
Gabby ———— Gosling ————– Marv
————————-BA————————-
278 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Aug 27, 2012 at 8:42 AM
@199:
Forgive my stupidity B & B but what does “prosletyse”! mean exactly?
Hate to play you at Scrabble!
If you wish to bring your points across here in a clear manner then you will need to use simpler English to do so! Some of the less intelligent people on here, myself included may have problems understanding what you are trying to get across!
Read most of what has been written on here and agree with most of it !
Getting Carroll back may or may not be a good move, but i feel we would be better using the money on a better player. There are plenty out there, but heh the concensus on here is that 17 Mil spent on Carroll would be a good move! Who knows?
The Tiote situation frankly worries me a lot, as i think basically we are Shite without him in front of the back , four/ three; or whatever system the manager plays. Tiote when he comes back is and would be strong presence in any mid-field.
Which is also why i would have a 30Mil price tag on any Transfer which may or may not happen! His sale for me would be a major disaster for NUFC!
Rooney,s injury yesterday may be potentially carreer threatening. I hope not, but the gash in his leg was very deep and is being compared to a Shark bite this morning in some reports. This may then rule him out for three, maybe even four months. Bad news for England and also for Manure, just hope that he recovers well but he will be out of action for the long term!
As for the Transfer window, well they have now got till midnight friday to either get someone in or sell off our best players. We will know the whole situation more when we run out against the Villains this week-end.
279 BandB // Aug 27, 2012 at 12:09 PM
TDS
I admit I have constructed a possible theory on the basis of some speculation (most theories have an element of speculation). I have also tried to rely on quotes, from Carr and Pardew, and past events to support my case.
Ashley played Russian roulette with Liverpool over Andy Carroll, knowing they had £50m they HAD to spend burning a hole in their pockets. What he did may have made perfect business sense, and the money DID stay in the club, inasmuch as Ashley IS the club. Enrique was a more typical example. He achieved a decent resale margin for a defender, but sold at Enrique’s market value. Both sales left the club temporarily weaker on the pitch.
Here is another, recent, quote from AP, to the effect that.; “We’ll give Champions’ League qualification a good shot this season, but the owner isn’t going to bankroll that.”
Eighth fits the business plan better than top five does, and that appears to be the official target, again, quoting Pardew.
My fear is that when you take your foot off the gas, even a little, you can’t control how far you will fall back.
It could well be that the five-year plan aims to produce a Champion’s League team in a couple of years, and holes in the present squad will be filled by Friday. It could also be that player sales down the line will recoup Ashley’s investment, while debt clearance and a reduced wage bill will make selling up the obvious outcome of the plan. I hope it’s the former. Or at least something that hints at trying to win something, rather than merely hoping too.
If something walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s sensible to be open to the possibility that it might just BE a duck.
Either way, he will likely have left the club in a better position than he found it. But more years of my life may have passed without silverware. I love football, not Monopoly.
I have never posted before. I had something to get off my chest. I have no intention of becoming a stuck record. I’m off the board now, waiting and hoping with fingers crossed for the next week.
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