Alan Pardew is hoping to have both Cheick Tiote and Shola Ameobi back for the trip to Everton in two weeks time, and if Shola is fit he could even start the game at Goodison Park, because we need more bite and energy up front.
Shola Ameobi – could play at Everton
Shola and his brother Sammy have been sidelined with hamstring injuries, but it looks like Alan Pardew thinks Shola should be ready for the game at Everton, where Newcastle need to put in a good performance and get something out of the game.
Pardew has not been happy with the form of either Demba Ba or Papiss Cisse this season, and although Demba Ba tried hard yesterday, the two of them didn’t look a good partnership together, and the Newcastle manager may have to split them up.
If Shola is fit he could start up front, and what’s wrong with using Hatem Ben Arfa as a second striker at the moment, or even bring young Adam Campbell in and give him a chance.
Whenever we watch 17 year-old Raheem Sterling at Liverpool, we think that Campbell could be doing the same thing for Newcastle right now, but perhaps it’s too early for him.
Alan Pardew talked to the local press today about Shola:
“Shola has a good chance and I am hoping Cheick has also.” “We have two weeks to get him right. That is what we hope to do, get him fit and strong.” “That was Cheick’s game against Villa and we missed him like nobody else.”
“There were a lot of midfielders there and he would have bashed a few of them up.” “That is what we needed to do.” “I don’t think Danny will make the Everton game.” “Vurnon Anita was brought here for his versatility and I thought he was terrific.”
“He went to right-back and was terrific. He grabbed it by the horns and looked comfortable all game.” “We still have Fergie and Sammy to come back.” “We have three right-backs here. How many right-backs do we need?”
“Swansea lost their left-back on Saturday and it is a bigger blow for them than us losing Ryan, with all due respect to Ryan.” “This is what big clubs are all about. We have to adapt.”
Why did Alan have to say that about Ryan Taylor?
The former Newcastle left-back target Neil Taylor will be out for the season after breaking his ankle in three places following a challenge from Sunderland’s Craig Gardner in Saturday’s 2-2 draw in South Wales.
It’s good that Cheick will not be traveling over the International break, and can properly prepare himself for the Everton game, and although Danny Simpson will not make the game, it will be good to have Shola back on board and perhaps young Shane Ferguson too.
Shane’s in the Northern Ireland squad for the upcoming games, so he may even get a couple of games in for them, and as long as he’s not injured, that would give him some much needed match practice.
If Cheick is available we would expect him to be in the middle of the park at Everton, and Anita at right back, and Shola could be one of the two strikers up front - and that sounds like a decent side.
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1 davybtoon // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:16 AM
Ochy – from last thread, we haven’t dropped 2 pts from the same fixture last season spurs n villa we got 4 pts n we got the same this season
2 davybtoon // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:18 AM
If we drew with spurs n beat villa would ppl think that was that bad I wouldn’t so I don’t the other way round either yesterday was a point gained bcoz we should of got beat
3 davybtoon // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:19 AM
Ibiza. Your spot on nothing has changed with the way club was run from last year all that’s changed is fans expectations
4 jesperfuglsang // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:21 AM
…Ibiza and I are back now
we just needed the time off and some needed to went their frustrations lol
It is not like I think everything is peachy kean or whatever it is called
but we need to keep perspektive as well…
I would have liked to see a few need faces no doubt about it; Central defense is a worry from last season and we do have some concerns upfront.
Ed raised a good question about why not play Benny as a withdrawn forward against Everton – he seems to be the dangerman these days
I would rest Cisse and I actually think Pardew knows he has to; the guy has been playing non stop for 11 months or so.
Tiote should be back by then; I am going on a limb here so please keep in mind it is just a suggestion, but I might be tempted to play Marv on the left and Ober on the right come net time
Is Simmo alright? or what is his status? I am really gutted to hear that Raylor might be out for 6 months
5 davybtoon // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:21 AM
Ochy & Ibiza when we got promoted back to the prem the board released a statement on how the club will b run n they’ve stuck to it
6 Shane // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:21 AM
So C.Ronaldo has revealed he is no longer happy at Real Madrid…
Worth a cheeky bid? a straight swap with Xisco could clinch it. You have to be bold!
7 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:23 AM
Davy….I think you’re forgetting out 3 points at Stamford Bridge last season….easy to forget, not like we saw a wonder goal or anything
Still, forget last season. 4 points from these opening 3 games is decent. Not wonderful, but certainly not terrible.
On expectations, most are saying their change is due to ambition. I really don’t know what it is, but I don’t feel it’s realistic. Slow steady progress will do us fine for now imo.
8 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:24 AM
alreet lads
the result is not the big thing for me, its the manner of the performances playing 4 4 2 which is really bugging me
tottenham he changed to 4 3 3 and we looked better, same at chelsea
why oh why is he not seeing a pattern, if it wasnt for the amazing talent of ben arfa we would have lost every game (ifs and buts i know) but hes not going to save us every game
cisse and ba looked stranded and lifeless up front together, atleast when theyre a 3 with ben arfa we look fluid even if ba has to sacrafice his attacking threat, but at 4 4 2 has he had any real attacking threat anyway??
please pardew mix things up for everton!!
also when are we going to see marveux start?? im a gig admirer of jonas and it wouldnt HAVE to be him that got replaced but marveux is the second most gifted player at our club and could make a hell of alot more difference starting than coming on for the last 10 minutes
rant over
9 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:26 AM
big*
10 davybtoon // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:27 AM
Ibiza – yea a know about Chelsea but Ochy said we were 2 pts less from spurs n villa which we aren’t
I agree top 6 again n Europa league is what we should b looking at this season
11 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:27 AM
Hyphen…Gig as in “Giggity”? – New voice to the forum…Hyphen is Glenn Quagmire
Marv will be introduced slowly, similar to Benny last season. Do doubt Pardew starting him late will be the reason we missed out o
12 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:28 AM
also i know ba scored against tottenham first but ben arfa was the stand out player and totteham had us on the back foot when they scored
13 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:28 AM
Cont…out on CL or whatever target we fall short of.
Davy….Ahh, I missed that bit of the statement and thus stand corrected
14 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:29 AM
hahahaha but who’s going to take me seriously if they know my real identity?……..
……..gigidy
15 yorkshire_magpie // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:29 AM
Heard Klasnic is a free agent. I think we should snap him up. Anythings better than shefki kuqi. Do you guys remember that?
16 davybtoon // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM
If we go to everyone n get a point that’s an improvement on last seasons results n bcoz we lost at Chelsea were 3pts down but those can b made up by say beating Norwich away which we lost last season
17 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM
Hyphen…You have to ask yourself…did anyone take you seriously before?
Only playing with you…a little
18 davybtoon // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:31 AM
That should b if we go to everton not everyone
19 AussieToon // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:32 AM
More Spin from Pardew.
Whatever said and done, we could of, with just a little more investment from Mike Ashley, gone to another level.
The problem is we haven’t, we will be anywhere from 5-8th where if Mike was serious, we could have given the top 4 a real shake. Real damn shake.
3 million outlay. Disgusting.
20 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:32 AM
if we can beat chelsea at home though we will have equalled our points against them, easy as that
im confident we can get more points than last year, wev definately got the players to do it, id just like to see them utalised better
21 BelfastMagpie // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:33 AM
Hope the international break sorts us out.
We’ve played well for 45 mins this season so far in my opinion.
And that was against a very poor greek team.
22 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:34 AM
aussie
im still confident we can finish 4th
havnt seen anything from tottenham arsenal liverpool or everton that says we cant
23 davybtoon // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:36 AM
Gateshead think the same top 4 is on
Everton shola n Sammi will b back as will tiote n fergie, looks like Simpson will b out though
24 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:37 AM
Aussie….Would have been much better for Pardew to come out and say “We cannot match last season as Ashley is a tight ass who doesn’t believe in the squad and neither do I”.
Have you approached the board to see if you can get a job as a motivational speaker and stop Pardews spin.
25 davybtoon // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:38 AM
Top 3 will b Manu, man city n Chelsea n 4th is anyones I reckon don’t kno why ppl are worried
26 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:39 AM
davybtoon
you know what people are like man hahaha
27 roadfighter // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:48 AM
I reckon Arsenal are favourites for 4th at this stage, they can be very dangerous going forward – good thing RvP is no longer part of their squad.
Although if we get our strikers performing and scoring 4th place is well within our grasp…
28 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:49 AM
Anyone who saw the game yesterday or was at the game, can you please tell me what antics did Cabaye get up to? I have read a lot about him sulking and kicking up a fuss, is that true?
29 Jamesthefirst // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:49 AM
4th spot is a straigth fight between Arsenal and Newcastle. No other team involved.
And our last game of the season? Home game against Arsenal…a play-off for the Champions League?
30 ppb // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:50 AM
@ibiza while you were away i had the unenviable job of having ruddy back. joys.
31 AussieToon // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:52 AM
@Gateshead-Mag
What have we shown? We have been terrible this season. Ben Arfa brilliance, twice has saved our backside. For the majority of games we have been piss poor.
Despite what people think, we do not play the ball as much as we are told. We lob long balls far too often. Andy Carroll would have been amazing in our set up. Pardew wanted to change the system but we still play this shocking 442 formation that is absolutely bollox.
I just see other teams improving around us and we won’t get the injury luck we did last season. Instead of battling in the same area as last season, if Fat Man got his wallet out and invested in the team that made Europe for his brand and back pocket the greedy fucker, we could be challenging for Champions League.
If we drop out of Europe next season, you think Cabaye, Ba, Cisse, Tiote, Ben Arfa will hang around when offers come in? Nope. Then we sell them and try and bargain again and try to achieve what we did last season.
Mediocre street. That is where we will always be. No ambition whatsoever with these guys in charge. Look at what Pardew is saying. We don’t have the squad to take Europe seriously? If we had ambition we would get the squad to try and win the thing!!!! We would have the squad to try and bring a trophy to the club for crying out loud! But again, we dont have the squad to take the Capital One Cup seriously……
No trophy’s. FA Cup is achievable, Capital One Cup is achievable. Europa should be achievable. We are a massive club, but we have a small club mentality with Ashley in charge.
Also Pardew can’t and won’t step on Ashley’s toes, he has to spin hence why he was hired. Admire him in a lot of ways, I do, but he has some serious weaknesses and being Ashley’s mate is a massive one.
32 bills-son // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:53 AM
Said it last season and I’ll say it again – we lack a commanding creative midfield player. Cabaye just doesnt do it in enough games and HBA cant control a game from the wing. Because of that we need all or most of our team to be on song to control the play and that hasnt happened yet this season. Diaby yesterday for Arsenal was a classic example of one player controlling the tempo of the game from midfield – he looks like a younger quicker Yaya Toure. He was back in defence, tacking and spraying the ball around in midfield and a constant threat around goal. The only player we have who can play like that is Cabaye but – as much as I like the lad – he has been way overhyped by fans compared to his performances. He needs to step up a notch this season for me.
33 jesperfuglsang // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:53 AM
Is it a complete break for us the next fortnight or do we have any EL games coming up? I know it is the International break
34 Jamesthefirst // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:54 AM
Team for Everton I would like to see:
————————-KRUL——————————
SANTON—–S TAYLOR—-COLO——-ARNITA
—————–TIOTE—-BIGI—————————
———CABAYE—BEN ARFA——MARV——-
————————CISSE——————————-
Bearing in mind Santon wants to play right back, and Arnita played left-back for Ajax on lots of occassions, so switch them. It will stop Santon cutting onto his better foot, he can run the line and whip some first time crosses in.
35 Super Magpie // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:55 AM
Repost from yesterday:
Angry, frustrated and dissapointed,
The referee was atrocious today. As were we in the 1st half.
WHEN WILL PARDEW REALISE 4-4-2 DOESN’T WORK?
We can’t play 4-4-2 and nobody can argue with that.
Simpson is now injured with his hamstring so that’s a few weeks out for him. Perch will probably be ok but that leaves 6 defenders to cover 4 positions. Utterly disgraceful.
Credit to Villa (except the 10 minutes of time wasting the cheating Tw@s) . They played well and deserved a draw. Their keeper was also brilliant today ( but should’ve been sent off for time wasting on many occasions).
We were saved by Ben Arfa again. Bigi was excellent when he came on. Jonas at LW doesn’t work and was awful in the 1st half. But played much much better in the 2nd as a defensive midfielder, Krul saved us on a few occasions as well. Cisse and Cabaye were non-existant.
Pardew needs to realise 4-4-2 doesn’t work for our team.
We’ve left ourself a mountain to climb in our past 2 PL games. And were lucky to be level with spurs at half time.
I don’t ever want to see 4-4-2 again.
36 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 11:55 AM
Jesper…Complete break I believe.
PPB….You didn’t enjoy having Ruddy alongside you? Was he ruffling feathers?
37 jesperfuglsang // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:01 PM
Can anyone give a an update on yesterday’s game; we played 4-4-2 in the firt hlf and from what I cn gather we didn’t look great at all. How about the second half, beside Benny’ wonderful goal, did we look more composed and did AP stick to his beloved 4-4-2?
You gotta hand it to him, he really loved that formation
38 jesperfuglsang // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:01 PM
*loves
39 roadfighter // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:02 PM
@ bills-son – Diaby was class yesterday.
I do however disagree with some of the Cabaye comments. If the likes of Anita [when playing CM or DM], Tiote, Perch [when playing CM or DM] and Bigi can contain possession and free up a more advanced Cabaye we will be able to hopefully see him provide the cutting edge passes and drive that he is capable of…
40 Jesus1983 // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:02 PM
Ba and Cisse have started the season poorly but are you seriously wanting Shola in the team ahead of them? LOL
Ba started last season slowly too – they will come good. Dropping them certainly isn’t the answer!
41 Munster Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:03 PM
Billson, good analysis, compleyely agree re Cabaye. And I have no doubt that if he’s not managed right , he’ll sulk big time. However, i dont think he’s nearly fit and will get better, but he is overhyped on this site.
42 Munster Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Incidentally re Spurs 4-3-3 , they were rubbish with this formation and passed the ball sideways all day. Its not the be all and end all….
43 Munster Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:06 PM
Aussie, 3mill was certainly a very poor investment, especially as Pards had gone public about the types of player he needed!!
44 LGFUAD21 // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:07 PM
Have to say I’m a bit upset by the way the window played out.
I understand the financial policy but it is too tight. Clubs are wary and we took the p!55 with offers. We argued over sake of £1m for Debuchy?
A net spend of £3m for a club trying to challenge for Europe is abysmal. We brought in some good talent but needed more and this was our chance to really push on if we had only spent £12-15m instead of 3.
Now if we end up finishing 10th with little success in cups or europe we will likely loose our players to bigger clubs and have to rebuild all over again.
Also dont agree with this 4-4-2. I understand Pardew playing both Ba and Cisse (if you have 2 talented strikers like that, why drop one and which one). But for clubs at our level its not a fluid enough formation. Fair enough Ba can drop back and help in the midfield but its a graveyard makeshift for him. We should be using Ba up top and playing a full CAM in the hole that is capable of properly running a midfield as well as attacking.
It just doesnt work as well as it should when you have to big number 9 type strikers up top. If you want to play 2 strikers you need them of a different mold. A Ba and something a bit more like Hoilett.
45 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:08 PM
jesus1983
i dont think anyone wants to see them dropped for shola, but a change of formation to utalise them better, maybe replacing one of them with marveux for different games could see us play for fluidly from midfield to the front
ba and cisse look stranded up there and dont seem that great at linking up together, i think theyd both benefit from playing with more of a target man than each other as both want to be the front runner
look at demba ba last season, played his best football upfront with shola (against man utd for 1) shola heading forward for ba leaving ba to attack the last man
real case for signing andy carroll i rekon like, said it all along
46 LGFUAD21 // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:09 PM
Oh and for me when it comes to choosing between our 2 strikers it is Ba for me. At the moment he knows the english game more, better movement, and a bit more to him. Cisse needs to step it up big time for me.
47 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:11 PM
munster mag
different formations for different teams
fact is last season we played our nicest football at 4 3 3, im by no means saying this is the be all and end all but surely people can see where average at 4 4 2
48 Rotonda heights // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:17 PM
James the first, you me and Davybtoon all have that team now.
Either great minds think alike or fools seldom differ!!!!
it’s so damn easy really. 433, play cabaye advanced, rotate Cisse and ba. not rocket science.
49 davybtoon // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:25 PM
rotonda – i know that has to b the team its not rocket science, like cabaye more advanced n stop spoiling his game by having him sitting n rotate the strikers
50 danishmag // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:31 PM
fantastic window..
We needed the following:
Right back… Anita
Central defender… Tayls back and young Good
Central midfield back up… Young Bigi
Striker.. Adam Campbell looks fine
Why on earth spend silly money, when no need?
We might should have gotten a better central defender, but thats all.. And nono of our best best players left!
Good window, and almost no money spend. Can do that i january, if needed!
Scum spend money they dont really have.. A.Johnson and Fletcher.. how much is that spend?.. 20 mill?
51 Munster Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Gateshead, I know what you mean. Hopefully Pards is going towards 4-3-3 but clubs like Man U, Everton and Chelsea under Mourinho played a lot of 4-4-2 and did fine with it. Part of our problem is that Pardew isnt confident in guys like Marveaux to play left wing. But then, its hard to blame him for playing Guti because Santon is a poor defender from what I can see so far.
52 check the toastie // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Jesper – Pardew started the game with his favoured 442. Nos surprises at all. Changed to 433 after around 30minutes,
team after Simmo got injured was
Krul
Anita Saylor Collo Santon
Cabaye Bigi Jonas
Cisse Ben10 Ba
Bit weird he played 3 up front and then asked Ben10 to play as the middle one, personally i think Bigi did OK but yet again people for me have gone overboard. All of a sudden the lad should be in the team in front of Cabaye or Jonas (nonsense) in some folks opinion. He still has a fair bit to learn. (has potential though).
Not really sure why people are talking about Cabayes attitude, thought he tried his best, obviously not his best game, however once he is employed in front of Tiote and Anita we will see the best of him.
It should be the last time we see Jonas play LM i a 442, those days are long gone, he is now for me a capable CM or personally would put him full back and let him learn the position. Collo was skinned a few times and our lack of pace in the middle of defence will casue us problems this year, not much we can do about that though.
Hope that explains how it went, Ba and Cisse are struggling to play with each other, Cisse is sharp and trying just like Ba but we have no control of the game with 442, this is a long runninig problem and Pardew needs to give his head a shake.
We have played 3 PL games and changed formation in all 3, bet you he makes it 4 out of 4 against Everton.
53 check the toastie // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Dont know why people have this idea about Santon being a bad defender, the boy is class, is always strong one on one and offers loads when we have the ball, if he is caught out positionally it is because he is trying to create something for the team further up the pitch, all modern full backs need to,
Have a look at all the best teams, they all have attacking fullbacks who join in, it is a big thing in how a team can control the match, if we had 2 simmos RB and LB, we would be a joke going forward.
54 davybtoon // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:40 PM
just watched pardew interview on nufctv and he virtually says anita will play rb at everton
55 roadfighter // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:43 PM
check the toastie – intersting points and analysis. Agree with most of it, but while I might not have gone overboard I think young Gael did great having been called upon in a match that we were kinda up against at the time, for his EPL debut no less – did you see any weaknesses in his play yesterday?
I agree that its definitely silly for people to think he can get ahead of Jonas or even Perch. But for me he was excellent yesterday..
and potentially was the game saver for NUFC having blocked Bent’s shot or potential shot towards the end.
All in all, he is without doubt a positive from yesterday…
56 ppb // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:43 PM
@ibiza i relished it but im pooped. we can share duties
57 PapissSmurf // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:46 PM
For Everton play 4-3-3 and drop Cisse for Obertan (never hought I would say that). And for goodness sake switch Santon to RB, he is crying out for it!
58 Munster Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Danishmag, thats a crazy analysis and its early, from what I can make out, to dump Cambell into the mix. We spent f all even though we meade Europe. Pardew deserved more than that. As for Fletcher, i thought it was a lot of money too. Mind you 2 goals is a good early return and the guy may have potential.
59 davybtoon // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:48 PM
scumberland v lolerpool the same weekend we play everton
60 davybtoon // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:49 PM
i have wanted santon rb but not now he was class at lb yesterday
61 Munster Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Its not silly that Bigi can get in ahead of either Perch if Guti, if he is on form and they are not. I would suggest he looks a far more complete player than Perch, and Guti is off form from what i hear.
62 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:52 PM
ppb….I find the biggest challenge with Ruddy about is getting people to read what he’s saying rather than taking every word as an insult or challenge. He’s built up quite the reputation on here
Either way, I prefer him about rather than his long exile earlier in the year. Especially seeing how negative it’s gone round here, the more the merrier…I hope so anyway.
Did Santon play RB in pre-season? Pretty sure he did, but can’t remember whether he impressed or not? Has anyone seen him play well at RB or are we going off comments made by him or Pardew?
63 Munster Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Davy, was Santon class defensively? I’ve never seen him look class defensively…..?
64 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:54 PM
papissmuff
i know obertan played well on thursday but for me marveux plays well every game and has more to his game, cisse for marveux pardew please
65 cyprus // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:56 PM
Like a few people have mentioned, it’s not the points haul, which is ok, but it’s the manner of play that’s a concern. Have you seen anyone except HBA pump his fists, show that enthusiasm which is infectious? Something ain’t quite right and AP has said as much. Of course, fact is, last year we also didn’t get going until the first ten games although we somehow remained undefeated, but that can’t happen every time. Bottom line, we aren’t making enough chances, there’s a gigantic gap between the midfield and the forwards and we aren’t pressing enough…
66 ~Anita One Bites the Dust~ // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:56 PM
Looks like Pardew has an admirer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hqAy_U_px8o#!
LOL.
By the way I was mighty impressed with young Bigrimana yesterday. Looks like a real coup.
“There’s only one bigrimana~!”
67 jesperfuglsang // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Check mate
thanks for the update!
AP have to learn at some point and right now he is learning the hard way
lol
…I don’t know why I am laughing cause it is not even funny
68 north_country_boy // Sep 3, 2012 at 12:58 PM
To be honest we only have thwarting same amount if points as we expected to have…Im sure most of us would have said Spurs D Chelsea L Villa W so we’ve just swapped the Spurs n Villa results around + plus we got through the Euro game…i agree the team hasn’t played well but it could be alot worse…we could be scousers!!!
69 ~Anita One Bites the Dust~ // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:00 PM
Oh and Ben Arfa smashing the ball in Bent’s face was just as good as scoring a goal. The chanting afterwards was priceless.
talking about Goal’s. Just got reports that the ball Ben Arfa rocketed through the net yesterday has just about managed to orbit around Neptune and is making its return to earth as we speak.
70 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Anita…Saw that earlier……I imagine Kets has made a similar compilation but with Scharner.
Cyprus….It was the same complaint for long periods of last season….That could be tied in with the same reasoning mind – 4-4-2 doesn’t seem to produce our most impressing football
There is a time and place for all formations, let’s hope Pardew get’s it right more often than not.
71 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:02 PM
anita one bites the dust
hahahahahahaha that video!!
i smell a restraining order
72 eaststandgeordie1982 // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:02 PM
Santon was solid yesterday, anita just showed what it would be like with a proper rb yesterday he likes to get forward which is good to see him and santon could play wing backs
Krul
Saylor colo perch
Anita Tiote. Santon
Hba. Cabs. Marv
Ba/cisse
Thoughts??
73 ~Anita One Bites the Dust~ // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:02 PM
@Ibiza
Lol. Scharner and Alderwield… if rumors are to be believed.
74 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:04 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/8048138/Filling-the-voids
Some reading to perhaps help gain some perspective.
75 dave 1961 // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:11 PM
lads no matter how bad our performances were so far this season i would like you to spare a thought for those poor Liverpool fans. 3rd bottom of the premier league, I’m sure though the rules can be changed if they (heavens forbid) get relegated. I’m sure someone at the fa could find that one of our fans had broken some fa rule, or maybe the Pardew push on the blind linesman could have a deduction of 60 points.
76 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:11 PM
For clarification…the perspective I’m hoping some will gain is that we’re doomed and that Spurs will finish ahead of us in the league as they’ve shown real ambition compared to our no ambition
77 Persian Geordie // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:13 PM
Ok lads, this would be my team for everton
Krul
Anita – Stevie T – Colo – Santon
Cabaye – Tiote (or BigMama) – Jonas
King Hatem – Marv
Ba (or Cisse)
that is tight and will be hard for anyone to beat us with it, its great for away games.
like it?
78 TimKrulFan // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:14 PM
We need a new set piece taker Cabaye is terrible at them remember the days when barton was on them we scored loads. I think we scored from one corner last season.
79 JDdubai // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:16 PM
The issue with moving Santon to RB is that we would have nothing going forward down the left side without him.
Anita and Santon are good for fullbacks for now.
Tiote shud b right in 2 weeks, either Jonas or Bigi next to him
Ba CF,
HBA and Marveaux on wings
Cabaye ACM
This is generally what most people are posting as the way forward but I can almost picture the thread Ed will right for Eevrton with the line up and 4-4-2 written next to it.
Will Pardew have the balls to admit he has made a mistake??? Doubful, especially if Shola is fit again and on the bench, means he will play both Cisse and Ba again.
80 cyprus // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:24 PM
Hey Ed and Tony. Just noticed you updated the banner and there’s room there for everyone! Well done mates. Be sure to notify Simpson that, at last, he is part of this team
81 cyprus // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:29 PM
On football: I don’t always agree with AP (e.g. HBA not ready (!), Routledge not good enough, we must educate the fans etc etc), but I do agree with him that some people need to be ‘rested’ or that more rotation will do us good. Not everyone has come out running out of the blocks. But, we have the players and reasonable depth. He needs to instil that passion and we are set. So it’s not doom and gloom of course.
82 bills-son // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:29 PM
3511 would best suit the players we have:
Krul
STaylor Colo Perch
Anita Tiote Cabaye Guti Santon
HBA
Ba or Cisse
Anita and Santon are made for a wing back role and Guti’s best position for me is central defensive midfield. Guti has a hell of a work rate, is hard to knock off the ball and is a good short passer. Him and Tiote looked great together when they played in the centre at the end of last season. This system allows Cabaye to get forward and gives HBA free rein to go wherever he wants. When HBA played in the hole last season early on he wasnt fully match fir – he is now. I reckon he would be devastating linking up with Cabaye and Ba in the centre with Anita and Santon bombing down the flanks.
As long as Pards persists with Cisse and Ba we are going to be comprimising the strength of the squad. It will be interesting to see the line up for Everton – I’ll be amazed if he goes with two up front.
83 cyprus // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:33 PM
Bills-son,
good set up there and good points
84 check the toastie // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:43 PM
bills, i like the formation plus Perch gives a bit of pace to the backline, maybe should play in the middle of Saylor and Collo, never gonna happen mind you, would you prefer Martinez to Pardew as he would give us that side. Think Pards needs to up his game, bit of a 442 dinosaur. If he does want to play 442 against Everton i would go with.
Krul
Anita Saylor Collo Santon
Obertoon Tiote Cabaye Marveuax
Ben Arfa Cisse
442 works with pace and width, currently Pardews 442 consists of Jonas and Benny who cuts in anyway, 442 needs proper wingers, Obertoon and Marvaeux for me.
85 jesperfuglsang // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:44 PM
Bills…so basically a 5-4-1 formation; very defensive approach don’t you think?
I my book you need to come up with something that will help us keep possesion, make us able to close down our opponent and create loads of chances
I challenge anyone to show me that we create enough chances to warrant two forwards? That should be the main focus when you debate whether to field one or two forwards
Okay I am just throwing something out there in plenum
how about a wingless formation?
86 bills-son // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:45 PM
cyprus – Shola is also well suited to 3511 which means we effectively have three CF’s for one role. We also have Williamson, Simpson and Good who can play in the back three and Oba, Marv, Bigi, Gosling, Ferguson and Abheid who can play in the middle five and Vuckic and Oba and possibly Campbell who can play in the hole. With this system the squad looks stronger than trying to fit players into 442 or 433.
I’d love to see Pards try this system even if its just in the Europa as a try out.
87 check the toastie // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:50 PM
The sad thing was, even in the Europa league Pardew started 442, cetral midfield pairing of Perch and Bigi, how defensive and narrow minded is that, against a greek side, ih my word, dont think Pardew exudes fiath in his troops when he is picking sides like that.
Pards again went with Gosling on the bench yesterday, can anybody remember last year when he was putting Alan Smith on the bench in front of some young uns. Blind Loyalty can be a hindrance sometimes.
88 check the toastie // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:53 PM
I said it for a while last season, think that maybe the massively talented squad maybe better in somebody else’s hands and am yet to be truly convinced with Pardiola, the majority of performances are pretty shit.
Waiting to be slapped down………
89 bills-son // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:53 PM
jesperfuglsang – its only 541 if the wing backs cant defend AND attack – and Anita and Santon are both great going forward. Also, HBA is made to play in the hole. When he picks the ball up deep and runs through the centre of the field he is dynamite because he can go either way, left or right. We’ve also seen he has a right foot and what many fans may have missed is that he got a great header in yesterday – really surprised me and reminded me of Ronaldo! Pards always said he wanted to play HBA in the hole and he did early last season but he wasnt match fit. Persisting with Ba and Cisse up front is denying HBA his best position.
I wouldn’t mind betting that the team would like to see HBA in a central free position.
90 jesperfuglsang // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:59 PM
Bills…I agree with you about Bennyboy
I always wanted him to play through the middle, but the 4-2-3-1 with Benny as an ACM just didn’t seem to work 
That is why I raised the Q about a wingless formation?
91 toonLYF // Sep 3, 2012 at 1:59 PM
Am I alone in thinking Santon was our MOTM by far yesterday?
92 bills-son // Sep 3, 2012 at 2:01 PM
check the toastie – I’m a Pards fan BUT he is in danger of wasting a big opportiunity with this squad if he persists in playing Ba and Cisse up front. In management – any management – you have to be ruthless sometimes and no matter what Pardew has said to Ba and Cisse about playing time and systems if it aint working he has to change it.
Cyprus made a point that I made to my mates before yesterdays game – we arent creating many chances and we didnt towards the end of last season either. The difference last season – and particularly for Cisse – is that nearly every chance was tucked away. That rarely continues indefinitely. We have to create more chances and unless the current system starts to work soon then the longer Pards leaves it the more points we are in danger of dropping.
I hope I’m wrong about 442 and 433 not working because I’ve got an awful feeling Pards is going to stick with it.
93 rainrix // Sep 3, 2012 at 2:03 PM
No doubt pardews a good manager but some of his comments in interviews are… dubious to say the least. Sounds of like he docent actually thing before he speaks :p
94 ichrisho // Sep 3, 2012 at 2:05 PM
Al I can say is – imagine we were Liverpool fans today.. oh dear.. 4 points from 3 games is not so bad seeing as we have already played 2 out of the top 5.. We have strength in depth and I think that we stil have many options to keep us competitive in the coming few months to January. I think we will get Pieters in and possibly Debuchy. Also does anyone not feel as i do that Ba and Cisse CANNOT play together up front… they are the same player and seem to get in each others way…
95 rainrix // Sep 3, 2012 at 2:06 PM
* Doesn’t Don’t hurt me grammer nazis
96 Munster Mag // Sep 3, 2012 at 2:09 PM
I’ve said since early summer that Pards will stay with 4-4-2 and I’ve seen nothing to chance my mind. If we win at everton with 4-4-2 or get a good draw he will continue to stick with it. I think some clever know was on here before ( Ian ? ) saying he was playing differently in training. Perhaps he has the wrong personnel, in his opinion. Oh well, window is closed now even if he wanted to make changes. One of our majo problems is at fullback. Santon isnt relaibe defensively, and Simmo is awful in attack! Hard to get the balance right with these two!
97 bills-son // Sep 3, 2012 at 2:13 PM
jesperfuglsang – it didnt work for HBA in the hole last time because he wasnt match fit and didnt work hard enough. I dont think either apply now and I think HBA’s confidence and ego would relish the added responsibility of being ‘the main man’ in the centre of the pitch.
3511 also gets Cabaye forward while still leaving two central defensive midfielders behind him. HBA and Cabaye together with Santon and either Cisse or Ba are our four most creative and match changing players in the oppo’s half. We have to use a system that gets them in forward positions where they can wreak havoc.
For me, its not the team that has to move up to the next level, its Pards. We have got a great squad with really exciting potential – if its used properly.
98 numba9 // Sep 3, 2012 at 2:31 PM
Play shola and papis together they played good when I saw then together, Benny behind
99 hattambenarfa // Sep 3, 2012 at 2:45 PM
Alan shearer once said that shola was the perfect striker partner. Its no coincidence ba and cisse look good when playing with him. Santon looks better with marveaux, hba with obertan, colo with saylor. Football works on partnerships we should take into consideration
100 martoon // Sep 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM
rainrix @92 – I think Pardew is very measured in interviews. Remember he has to do countless interviews before & after matches with reporters trying to find some scandal by asking awkward questions. He is bound to slip up sometime and say something slightly contraversial.
101 martoon // Sep 3, 2012 at 2:57 PM
*controversial – for the spelling police :0
102 Nufc-83 // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM
Bit harsh on pards but the general theme of the article is bang on!!!
!http://www.toonbano.com/2012/09/is-pardew-out-of-his-depth.html?
103 Rake // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM
@bill-son
We have real issues when it comes to creating chances. I think the wingers are such a key to a 4-4-2′s success and Jonas doesn’t create many if any chances?
Jonas is a good solid player but if Pardew insists on a 4-4-2 then i would like to see a winger who will create chances as we have two who would be capable.
104 Spellcheck // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:06 PM
Any news on league cup match v Man Utd, week of24thSept????
105 check the toastie // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:13 PM
Cisse and ba look god with Shola as Pardew as playing long ball football, that is not the way forward with the quality that we have in midfield. It is an option from the bench only for me.
106 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:13 PM
Martoon….Close to getting a fine there, however, I’ll let you off with a warning as you were quick to identify your error
107 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:16 PM
On Shola…I love the guy, but his days as a starter are numbered and should only happen out of absolute necessity. As Check says, we have the talent at our disposal for a fast passing team, with clever movement we are a match for most teams. Long ball tactics can be useful, but shouldn’t be used as our “game plan” imo.
108 cockneymagpie90 // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM
As iv said from when Anita came to to this club the other week, the formation/line up should be as follows….
——————-KRUL——————
SANTON—-COLLO—-TAYLOR—-ANITA
———–GUTI———-TIOTE———–—-
BENARFA—-CABAYE—-MARVO
—–—————–CISSE/BA—————-
SUBS: HARPER, SIMMO, PERCH, BIGI, OBER, AMALFITANO, CISSE/BA.
I dunno about other peoples opinoins but i definately think this line up can challenge any team in pl. Lets hope Alan sees it before our next game!!!!
109 Marty-Toon // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Heard the funniest thing on Sky from a deluded Man U fan.
The talk of Ronaldo being unhappy at Real makes this fool reckon that Fergie will give them Nani + 25million and they’d be happy lmao
110 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:44 PM
Marty….Deluded doesn’t even begin to tell the story
111 Marty-Toon // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:45 PM
@Toon lyf
Yes you are,but mst agree that he was among the best out there.
I reckon Bigi was best as he’s only 18 and thrown into the PL,did really well.
112 Marty-Toon // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:47 PM
@Ibiza
Nani +25million would buy you …..hmmmmm
Let’s say a player worth 25.5 million
113 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:49 PM
Marty…Well £500k may be a bit far the other way of delusional, but you are somewhat closer imo
114 dave 1961 // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:49 PM
Nufc-83 @101
surprised you were not put to the sword on hear for that link.
115 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:52 PM
dave….nufc-83 did highlight he thought i was hard on Pardew, which I agree with. I think they simplified way too much to make Pardew seem “out of his depth”, but time will tell
116 gavgrewcock3 // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:52 PM
yeah shola isnt a starter nowadays, got to be used as a sub in prem games and euro games which we should win, such as martimo at home. Cups games were youth is being used then fine as he adds experience but not in prem when weve got much better players.
For me the way forward is 4-2-1-2-1, like the end of last season with jonas and tiote the holding players and cabaye just infront threading balls through. Thats when we played our best football and looked like a top 6 team. If demba doesnt like being on the left then big pards has got to have the balls to drop him, I know that its harder being said then done but its got to happen sooner or later or we wont look reach the heights we did last season.
For me a successful season would be top 8 and a good run in europe but playing long ball 4-4-2 isnt going to get us there
117 dave 1961 // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Ibizatoon
unfortunately i thought it was spot on but i have always thought we did well last season in spite of him, but i will not try to justify my opinion as i hope I’m wrong.
118 Wandering Geordie // Sep 3, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Morning lads..Ba and Cisse are still recovering from Ramadam Im afraid.The rest will do em good.I was looking on here this morning to see if the Danny Simpson hate crew were going to blame him for us not winning the game.
Am I the only one but does anyone else think that Krul has to distribute the ball better ie play it to full backs instead of the hoof?
119 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 4:02 PM
Dave….You are of course allowed to have that opinion. I am curious as to why you think he’s out of his depth mind.
I found the transfer section of the article to be really unfair. I hear people saying “well, he should have been banging on their door”. What would that really have achieved? Him getting fired is all it would have done and caused serious disharmony in the squad (as we have seen before). Who do we think will come in and replace him? Realistically?
Most “top” managers also want top transfer budgets, something Ashley is not going to do.
Please don’t think I’m trying to start an argument, far from it
120 paul6257 // Sep 3, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Ed, i cant stop laughing at your statement, Shola Energy and Bite in the same sentance, cracks me up
121 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 3, 2012 at 4:08 PM
Wandering….Agreed. People seem to have forgotten Ba’s painfully slow start last season and then all of a sudden he was the “best singing of the window”. Give them a few more games and we’ll see them back in form. I would however be rotating them, mainly due to the fact we seem to lack an option from the bench. We must have 45+ games this season, surely they can be satisfied with 20+ starts each and a fair few sub appearances?!?!
122 matt11_25 // Sep 3, 2012 at 9:26 PM
Demba and Cisse need time together to develop a partnership. They only have 3 games together for Newcastle as a FRONT PAIR. At the moment there spacing is off but the midfielders need to get used to the formation as well. I wouldnt judge any formation anyhow until Cabaye is up to speed. jesus people.
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