Pardew Wants To Do As Well As Last Season – Fans Are Doubtful


Newcastle United manager Alan Pardew was happy to keep all his big stars like Yohan Cabaye, Demba Ba, Fab Coloccini and Cheick Tiote on Tyneside in the summer, with reports that clubs came after our top players over the last few weeks of the transfer window, but owner Mike Ashley turned down the bids, and it’s not clear how big those bids actually were.

Alan Pardew wants to do as well or even better this season

But  in our recent poll asking if Newcastle will finish in the top six this season, 52% think we will not with another 17% undecided.

And with Michel Platini clamping down on those clubs in Europe who are nowhere near balancing their books, clubs like Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and QPR in the Premier League, and with the Premier League clubs meeting today to introduce some new curbs on spending,  there is hope,  some hope,  the playing field may be leveling.

Alan Pardew talked to Sky Sports today, and hopes to do as well if not better than last season:

“Although we are a big club, financially we are not as big as the others.” “It is difficult to get some stability in your squad when players are being touted around.”  “For us, it was very important to keep that group together.”

“We worked hard last summer to bring them here, they did terrifically well, we finished fifth and we want to do the same again or even better.”

With Coloccini being injured in training at the Argentine training camp yesterday, that’s the latest problem that we have with our still too small squad.

And here are the current  results of the poll we put up yesterday, and if you haven’t voted yet it’s still open – and every reader has just one vote.

Will Newcastle Finish In The Top Six This Season?

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224 comments so far

  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Sep 6, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    Comment #1

    Not all fans Ed 🙂

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  • yorkshireToon

    Sep 6, 2012 at 2:13 PM

    Comment #2

    At the start of last season I said id be happy with a 7th place finish because I thought man u, man city, Chelsea, liverpool, spurs, arsenal all had better squads than us an a better first team and look what happened.

    Let’s hope we can all be suprised at what happens this year too 😉

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  • samuelwongsl

    Sep 6, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    Comment #3

    I’m quite doubtful we are able to achieve what we did last season. Top half will be good enuff…

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  • Ian Toon

    Sep 6, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    Comment #4

    I remain optimistic that we’ll go one better than last season. Starting with 3 points at. Goodison. We beat spurs without Colo and if we need to we can manage without him. Pardew needs to be less defensive than we were at the end of last season. 4-2-3-1 is the way to go away from home . Arsenal played a superb counter attacking game
    V Liverpool. and we need to contain before unleashing Anita and Santon down the flanks.

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  • ToonJovi

    Sep 6, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    Comment #5

    I’m not convinced we.had any bids for our bigger players! Enquiries yes but not seen any evidence of such confirming Ashley actually turned down any substantial offers! And as for us building in last year these early injuries should signal loud and clear to the board that we actually really do need reinforcements and need more numbers in durin transfer window else wel b lookin at mid table!

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  • MagpiesFlyHigh

    Sep 6, 2012 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #6

    Repost but relevant to Toonjovi

    What if …..

    The transfer window went exactly as planned.

    We bid for the players we wanted at pretty much the exact price we were prepared to pay.
    There are still targets on the list we didn’t bid for, or who didn’t come to light.

    The gamble is that the team will be okay till January.
    We will use the upandcoming players like Bigi, Good Amalfi, Tav Abeid (?) to fill any gaps and give them first team experience.
    We will bring in the required targets in January having set the scene in terms of size of bids etc., and the shorter times till ends of contracts.

    We will bring in the 3rd CF then, (when we will need him most). We will strengthen the defence then with a view to a big push on the run in. January to March is always the defining time for final finishing position.

    So only time will tell if the gamble comes off…

    The risk is there, that we will have already blown our chances with injuries etc…

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Sep 6, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    Comment #7

    MFH….Is that what you believe to be the case? I do for what it’s worth.

    The money is available to spend, but the club do not see the need to be as great as some fans, therefore are not willing to budge on valuations.

    This could turn out to be foolish, but to what extent? Will it be a question of a place or two? Will we fall below 10th? Will the players view our policy the same as the club or will they want out?

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  • Ian Toon

    Sep 6, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    Comment #8

    MagpiesFlyHigh- keep hearing rumours of Abeid going out on loan.
    Last heard he was being linked to a Turkish club. I saw him as one of the brightest prospects but he seems to have fallen below the radar.

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  • TOONCHRIS

    Sep 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    Comment #9

    Could someone please do me a favour n tell me when the blog was taken over by immature little stupid a holes,the banter on here used to be spot on n now when I read it a just think WTF

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  • Les Grossman

    Sep 6, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    Comment #10

    Personally I think that we will finish round about 10th.
    I believe that we will sell 1 or 2 of the ‘bluechip’ players in January, and we will replace with promising players at a fraction of the cost.
    We will remain transitional
    As an ardent MA backer from day 1, I find myself sitting on the fence with the bloke now somewhat!

    I think it was blatantly obvious that in order to challenge the top four which is supposed to be this seasons aim, we needed to bring in at least 3 ‘proven’players in three key areas, Fullback, Centre Back and up Front.

    This would have given the current squad a boost in Numbers and morale.

    Already we are hearing rumblings from Alan Pardew that rumours are that one or two of his big name players have had their heads turned, and he has told them to knuckle down until January…….so if your blind or daft enough to think a few changes are not on the cards come January then you really need to give yourself a heed wobble!

    The problem is i personally feel is Mike Ashley keeps bleating on about making the club self sustainable, great, i think thats excellent, but he should not lose site of the fact that we should also have some ambitions to run alongside that.

    The top 4 teams over the last 20 seasons have been the top 4 biggest investors in players.

    As posted previously, the team will ALWAYS be in transition if the policy is to sell and replace our best players, and I believe that will be the case come january.

    PS Do NOT lose site of the fact that Cisse success from January on was a freak, normally players are not a success when signed on January, until at least the foillowing season.

    If Mike Ashley can Make 75m from the sale of three players and spend 10m on three replacements, he will not care at all where we finish in the league as long as it is not in the bottom three!

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  • TOONCHRIS

    Sep 6, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    Comment #11

    Could someone please do me a favour n tell me when the blog was taken over by immature little stupid a holes

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  • Les Grossman

    Sep 6, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    Comment #12

    TOONCHRIS
    your standing too close to your keyboard…..
    Its echoing!

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Sep 6, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    Comment #13

    Toonchris….I think you’ll have to be a bit more specific, as it’s a matter of opinion as to who you’re referring to.

    Regardless of who you think is an immature little stupid a hole, is it not a better approach to contribute decent banter and discussion rather than complain about the current shambles you find the blog to be in?

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  • 2_goal_tino

    Sep 6, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    Comment #14

    Here is a question to debate: who would win in a match, players from the left side of the banner or the right side?

    Both can have Krul in goal as the left don’t have a keeper, but these would have to be the teams…

    Simpson–Colo–Willo–santon
    Sammy–Anita–Vuckic–Amalfi
    ————–HBA
    ————-Ba

    Vs.

    Bigi–perch–saylor–Jonas
    Obertan–cabs–tiote–Marv
    ———-cisse–Shola

    The right would dominate midfield and possession but the left’s defence would be just too strong. HBA would exploit the two inexperienced fullbacks and rip them apart, but he could be incapacitated in the first few minutes by Tiote. It’s a tough choice! I’m going for the left hand side to edge it!

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Sep 6, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    Comment #15

    Les….I think that’s a fair enough assessment of things.

    Have the board come out and said 4th is the aim? I know Pardew has said he’s shooting for it, but what is the clubs actual targets this season? Is it is as simple as avoid relegation and make a profit?

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  • Les Grossman

    Sep 6, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    Comment #16

    Ibiza
    Bravo sir!

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    Comment #17

    Ibiza
    I think pardiola was daying a few days back that MA aim was for the club to soon be in the champions league think ed put an article up on it

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    Comment #18

    *daying=saying!

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  • Transfer Sage

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    Comment #19

    Les

    Why do you think we will sell 2 big players on January.

    We haven’t sold a single big player since Carroll. Could possibly argue Enrique but he had 1 year to run on his contract.

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  • Les Grossman

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    Comment #20

    TADS
    Indeed he did.
    But Pardew also said he wanted 3-4 quality players in before window shut to take us to the next level, then 2-3 then 1-2 then 1 then ….have we gone into minus yet…january we may 😉

    SO biggest question for me, is who to believe these days?

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    Comment #21

    Tads…..I do remember something along those lines. I remember they had bonuses the year before last if we finished top 10, making that the “real target”. I imagine they’re shooting for CL, just wondered if there was an official target?

    Les…I really don’t get it. A lot of the old posters come on, complain about things, then disappear. Contribute, make it better, don’t just whinge, surely that’s just making it worse?

    2 Goal Tino….Isn’t that a little immature? 😉

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    Comment #22

    Les
    Im not sure which players have had there head turned but personally im most worried about cabaye, hes the one player i can see going dont know why but just just have to wait and see i suppose!

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  • Transfer Sage

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    Comment #23

    I’m not worried about players leaving.

    Most key players are on long contracts. We have no rush to sell and will only go for a good amount of money.

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  • Les Grossman

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    Comment #24

    Transfer Sage
    Just readiong between the lines….
    “2 or 3 of our big players may have had their heads truned during the transfer windowsw, agents offering this and that, I have told them to get off their arse and play, and then wait and see what happens in January” (Or words to that effect)-Alan Pardew 2/09/2012

    Almost conclusive in my opinion dont you think, or am I just reading to much into this? Rumours etc?

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  • Transfer Sage

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Comment #25

    Les

    I imagine a lot of players get there heads turned.

    There is a difference between heads turned and leaving.

    For one we need an offer Ashley will accept. He won’t care of cabaye sulks if he doesn’t get his move, he will wait for the money he wants for him.

    Then the club have to agree personal terms on wages etc but also the player has to weigh up if he will get enough game time wherever he is going.

    I wouldnt worry, if we sell we will probably replace.

    That’s how spurs got decent. Sold stars like Carrick and berbatov and used that to build a squad.

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  • Les Grossman

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    Comment #26

    Transfer Sage

    Thats your perogative sir.
    But I poersonally do not want to see the team in constant transition as a mediocre ‘almost there’ team due to the fact that we keep selling our best players and have to keep integrating new players every 18 months. At any price really.

    If we lost Cabaye Tiotie and HBA all at once, its a whole new midfield……I believe this is a possible scenario, and if you listen to AP….he also believes so….especially to “sides in the champions leagues with spending power”

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  • Les Grossman

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:22 PM

    Comment #27

    TS
    Ok lets use Spurs as a guidleine shall we?

    Sold Carrick and Berbatov? how long ago, and where did they finish that season?

    Modric, just sold, granted….how long was he at spurs?
    In fact look at the last three seasons of spurs, how many of their star players did they sell? in those three seasons?

    Can you not see, Harry Redknapp….bless his cockney wheeler dealer soul….wpuld not sell any of his best players.

    Since 2008, spurs never soled one of their star performers. Maybe thats how they built their top 4 team???
    What do you reckon Sage?

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  • Transfer Sage

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    Comment #28

    Les

    Obviously it’s not ideal.

    I would like us to keep our stars and invest around 20million a year improving the quality but that’s not realistic.

    Only 3 teams in the league don’t sell players.

    Man utd, man city and chelsea.

    city and cheslea have massive financial backing so dont need to and people dont like to leave man utd as they are always challenging for every trophy.

    Even teams like arsenal (17 years in champs league), spurs, everton, us, fulham, all sell players as top top players want to win things. Even champions league isn’t enough to keep the most ambitious players happy.

    I think its widely accepted (although fans arent happy) that their best players will move if the right offer comes in.

    Very few teams around the world are big enough to keep people.

    Only the 3 english ones I mentioned, Madrid, Barca, possibly Munich and Milan but even they lose players to the giants Madrid and Barca.

    As long as we dont sell all at once and the money is properly invested back into the team, not just a small percetnage of it we will remain competitive in the european places I think.

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Comment #29

    Les

    That’s a pretty big exageration there mate! Pardew believes we could lose Cabaye, Tiote and Hatem at the same time?

    I really don’t recall that one!

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    Comment #30

    TDS
    Out of are entire squad i’d say tiote n ben arfa are the 2 players im most confident in the club retaining they really seem to love the club and city n just seem to be happy playing for the toon

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  • Transfer Sage

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    Comment #31

    Les

    Thats the thing with spurs and probably us.

    We havent sodl for 18 months now since carroll (enrique had to go, contract nearly gone)

    Spurs had a good 3 years where they never sodl and got champs league, They never made it last year so ended up losing modric. They will struggleto get top 4 this years.

    We are one of 4 teams who will realistically want champs league but only 1 place up for grabs, all teams in thsi situation will lsoe top players or be at risk of losing top if they dont get it,. even lose them if they do get it.

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  • Les Grossman

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:32 PM

    Comment #32

    Toondownsouth
    Sorry, you misunderstand (again)
    What I am actually saying is that we could lose any of our blue chip players, namely the three, if a Champions league club comes in, the club is susceptable to losing its best players. Do you honestly think that Mike Ashley will say NO to a 25m bid for each player in January?? Honestly. I think, and sorry this is my opinion, that Pardew believes that they will sell any player, any amount of players for big money….as he stated.

    “If we lost Cabaye Tiotie and HBA all at once, its a whole new midfield……I BELIEVE this is a possible scenario, and if you listen to AP….he also believes so….(that he will lose any or all of these players)”
    IF A CHAMPIONS LEAGUE BIG SPENDING CLUB COMES IN.

    Are you truly so naive to think that this couldnt happen?

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  • bollance

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:32 PM

    Comment #33

    The challenge Pards has is ensuring the players at least perform to the level they did last season. If he can do that, which he is capable of doing then why not?

    Hardest player to manage in nufc colours? HBA. Player of the season, and by a mile in my opinion, HBA.

    We will come good but haven’t started playing yet. Just a matter of time

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  • Les Grossman

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    Comment #34

    Bollance
    Totally agree.
    Just worried about injuries and such.
    Thin, relatively inexperienced squad.

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  • magpiebop

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    Comment #35

    Enjoy the players we have because that’s all we can ever do as fans. Personally I don’t see anything in it for us trying to second guess the workings in the mind of our billionaire business genius owner. Anyone who thinks they can do better had better go out, earn the money and bid for the club!

    As far as I’m concerned we’ve improved three seasons running and seen some great games in that time. Patience in the transfer market seems vital to our current strategy given that we’re not scouting players 4-5 games but 4-5 years!

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    Comment #36

    It could be argued that we’ve already faced the challenge of extra games, injuries, tough opposition and still managed 4 points in 3 games plus EL qualification….and this is whilst not playing one decent game of football.

    I’m with bollance, once we start playing well (or when we stop with 4-4-2 🙂 ) we should do well and can give the big boy outsiders a run for their money.

    On selling players for big fees….It surely will happen from time to time. I did not want Carroll to go and was simply gutted. However, in the end, it was a positive move. I would be slightly more concerned if we lost 3 at the same time, but it all comes down to who we bring in

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    Comment #37

    Bollance
    Well said mate and yeah HBA for a full season could be the big difference this season!

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    Comment #38

    Les

    I miunderstand again? When was the last time I misunderstood? 😐

    No, I do not believe that we would sell our entire midfield at the same time. I think that is a very very unlikely scenario.

    I think most here seriously overrate our players, and I cannot see bids coming in for them all that would convince the club to sell.

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  • bollance

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    Comment #39

    Les

    I think this season we will use the Europa to bring through some youngsters like Tav which may result in Simo being sold in Jan. He wont sign a new contract it would appear and i doubt we will want to lose him for nowt. At the very least play Anita there second half of season. But you are right, boils down to injuries.

    Last season we could not afford to sell Guthrie at xmas because we had little cover. So instead we kept him as cover and he played a lot of games. Arguably playing better then Cabaye.

    The club probably want another AC to come through. Bigi could be the one. Very young and already played to good level, championship last season. You pay a premium for potential. Still cant work out how we paid so little. Its a mystery?

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  • bollance

    Sep 6, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    Comment #40

    TDS

    That was not my point but you are right. We only has HBA firing in the second half of the season.

    The plan is to have more match winners in the side. Pards said he wants 3-4. Possibly we have players like Cisse or Ba who could do that on a regular basis. Moments of magic that win matches like the pen HBA won against Spurs. That was the difference.

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