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Pardew Wants To Do As Well As Last Season – Fans Are Doubtful

2:07 pm, Thursday, September 6th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 224 Comments

Newcastle United manager Alan Pardew was happy to keep all his big stars like Yohan Cabaye, Demba Ba, Fab Coloccini and Cheick Tiote on Tyneside in the summer, with reports that clubs came after our top players over the last few weeks of the transfer window, but owner Mike Ashley turned down the bids, and it’s not clear how big those bids actually were.

Alan Pardew wants to do as well or even better this season

But  in our recent poll asking if Newcastle will finish in the top six this season, 52% think we will not with another 17% undecided.

And with Michel Platini clamping down on those clubs in Europe who are nowhere near balancing their books, clubs like Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and QPR in the Premier League, and with the Premier League clubs meeting today to introduce some new curbs on spending,  there is hope,  some hope,  the playing field may be leveling.

Alan Pardew talked to Sky Sports today, and hopes to do as well if not better than last season:

“Although we are a big club, financially we are not as big as the others.” “It is difficult to get some stability in your squad when players are being touted around.”  “For us, it was very important to keep that group together.”

“We worked hard last summer to bring them here, they did terrifically well, we finished fifth and we want to do the same again or even better.”

With Coloccini being injured in training at the Argentine training camp yesterday, that’s the latest problem that we have with our still too small squad.

And here are the current  results of the poll we put up yesterday, and if you haven’t voted yet it’s still open – and every reader has just one vote.

Will Newcastle Finish In The Top Six This Season?

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224 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    Not all fans Ed :)

  • 2 yorkshireToon // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:13 PM

    At the start of last season I said id be happy with a 7th place finish because I thought man u, man city, Chelsea, liverpool, spurs, arsenal all had better squads than us an a better first team and look what happened.

    Let’s hope we can all be suprised at what happens this year too ;)

  • 3 samuelwongsl // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    I’m quite doubtful we are able to achieve what we did last season. Top half will be good enuff…

  • 4 Ian Toon // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    I remain optimistic that we’ll go one better than last season. Starting with 3 points at. Goodison. We beat spurs without Colo and if we need to we can manage without him. Pardew needs to be less defensive than we were at the end of last season. 4-2-3-1 is the way to go away from home . Arsenal played a superb counter attacking game
    V Liverpool. and we need to contain before unleashing Anita and Santon down the flanks.

  • 5 ToonJovi // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    I’m not convinced we.had any bids for our bigger players! Enquiries yes but not seen any evidence of such confirming Ashley actually turned down any substantial offers! And as for us building in last year these early injuries should signal loud and clear to the board that we actually really do need reinforcements and need more numbers in durin transfer window else wel b lookin at mid table!

  • 6 MagpiesFlyHigh // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:31 PM

    Repost but relevant to Toonjovi

    What if …..

    The transfer window went exactly as planned.

    We bid for the players we wanted at pretty much the exact price we were prepared to pay.
    There are still targets on the list we didn’t bid for, or who didn’t come to light.

    The gamble is that the team will be okay till January.
    We will use the upandcoming players like Bigi, Good Amalfi, Tav Abeid (?) to fill any gaps and give them first team experience.
    We will bring in the required targets in January having set the scene in terms of size of bids etc., and the shorter times till ends of contracts.

    We will bring in the 3rd CF then, (when we will need him most). We will strengthen the defence then with a view to a big push on the run in. January to March is always the defining time for final finishing position.

    So only time will tell if the gamble comes off…

    The risk is there, that we will have already blown our chances with injuries etc…

  • 7 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    MFH….Is that what you believe to be the case? I do for what it’s worth.

    The money is available to spend, but the club do not see the need to be as great as some fans, therefore are not willing to budge on valuations.

    This could turn out to be foolish, but to what extent? Will it be a question of a place or two? Will we fall below 10th? Will the players view our policy the same as the club or will they want out?

  • 8 Ian Toon // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    MagpiesFlyHigh- keep hearing rumours of Abeid going out on loan.
    Last heard he was being linked to a Turkish club. I saw him as one of the brightest prospects but he seems to have fallen below the radar.

  • 9 TOONCHRIS // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    Could someone please do me a favour n tell me when the blog was taken over by immature little stupid a holes,the banter on here used to be spot on n now when I read it a just think WTF

  • 10 Les Grossman // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    Personally I think that we will finish round about 10th.
    I believe that we will sell 1 or 2 of the ‘bluechip’ players in January, and we will replace with promising players at a fraction of the cost.
    We will remain transitional
    As an ardent MA backer from day 1, I find myself sitting on the fence with the bloke now somewhat!

    I think it was blatantly obvious that in order to challenge the top four which is supposed to be this seasons aim, we needed to bring in at least 3 ‘proven’players in three key areas, Fullback, Centre Back and up Front.

    This would have given the current squad a boost in Numbers and morale.

    Already we are hearing rumblings from Alan Pardew that rumours are that one or two of his big name players have had their heads turned, and he has told them to knuckle down until January…….so if your blind or daft enough to think a few changes are not on the cards come January then you really need to give yourself a heed wobble!

    The problem is i personally feel is Mike Ashley keeps bleating on about making the club self sustainable, great, i think thats excellent, but he should not lose site of the fact that we should also have some ambitions to run alongside that.

    The top 4 teams over the last 20 seasons have been the top 4 biggest investors in players.

    As posted previously, the team will ALWAYS be in transition if the policy is to sell and replace our best players, and I believe that will be the case come january.

    PS Do NOT lose site of the fact that Cisse success from January on was a freak, normally players are not a success when signed on January, until at least the foillowing season.

    If Mike Ashley can Make 75m from the sale of three players and spend 10m on three replacements, he will not care at all where we finish in the league as long as it is not in the bottom three!

  • 11 TOONCHRIS // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    Could someone please do me a favour n tell me when the blog was taken over by immature little stupid a holes

  • 12 Les Grossman // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    your standing too close to your keyboard…..
    Its echoing!

  • 13 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    Toonchris….I think you’ll have to be a bit more specific, as it’s a matter of opinion as to who you’re referring to.

    Regardless of who you think is an immature little stupid a hole, is it not a better approach to contribute decent banter and discussion rather than complain about the current shambles you find the blog to be in?

  • 14 2_goal_tino // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    Here is a question to debate: who would win in a match, players from the left side of the banner or the right side?

    Both can have Krul in goal as the left don’t have a keeper, but these would have to be the teams…




    The right would dominate midfield and possession but the left’s defence would be just too strong. HBA would exploit the two inexperienced fullbacks and rip them apart, but he could be incapacitated in the first few minutes by Tiote. It’s a tough choice! I’m going for the left hand side to edge it!

  • 15 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    Les….I think that’s a fair enough assessment of things.

    Have the board come out and said 4th is the aim? I know Pardew has said he’s shooting for it, but what is the clubs actual targets this season? Is it is as simple as avoid relegation and make a profit?

  • 16 Les Grossman // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    Bravo sir!

  • 17 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    I think pardiola was daying a few days back that MA aim was for the club to soon be in the champions league think ed put an article up on it

  • 18 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:02 PM


  • 19 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:04 PM


    Why do you think we will sell 2 big players on January.

    We haven’t sold a single big player since Carroll. Could possibly argue Enrique but he had 1 year to run on his contract.

  • 20 Les Grossman // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    Indeed he did.
    But Pardew also said he wanted 3-4 quality players in before window shut to take us to the next level, then 2-3 then 1-2 then 1 then ….have we gone into minus yet…january we may ;-)

    SO biggest question for me, is who to believe these days?

  • 21 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    Tads…..I do remember something along those lines. I remember they had bonuses the year before last if we finished top 10, making that the “real target”. I imagine they’re shooting for CL, just wondered if there was an official target?

    Les…I really don’t get it. A lot of the old posters come on, complain about things, then disappear. Contribute, make it better, don’t just whinge, surely that’s just making it worse?

    2 Goal Tino….Isn’t that a little immature? ;)

  • 22 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    Im not sure which players have had there head turned but personally im most worried about cabaye, hes the one player i can see going dont know why but just just have to wait and see i suppose!

  • 23 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    I’m not worried about players leaving.

    Most key players are on long contracts. We have no rush to sell and will only go for a good amount of money.

  • 24 Les Grossman // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    Transfer Sage
    Just readiong between the lines….
    “2 or 3 of our big players may have had their heads truned during the transfer windowsw, agents offering this and that, I have told them to get off their arse and play, and then wait and see what happens in January” (Or words to that effect)-Alan Pardew 2/09/2012

    Almost conclusive in my opinion dont you think, or am I just reading to much into this? Rumours etc?

  • 25 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:13 PM


    I imagine a lot of players get there heads turned.

    There is a difference between heads turned and leaving.

    For one we need an offer Ashley will accept. He won’t care of cabaye sulks if he doesn’t get his move, he will wait for the money he wants for him.

    Then the club have to agree personal terms on wages etc but also the player has to weigh up if he will get enough game time wherever he is going.

    I wouldnt worry, if we sell we will probably replace.

    That’s how spurs got decent. Sold stars like Carrick and berbatov and used that to build a squad.

  • 26 Les Grossman // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Thats your perogative sir.
    But I poersonally do not want to see the team in constant transition as a mediocre ‘almost there’ team due to the fact that we keep selling our best players and have to keep integrating new players every 18 months. At any price really.

    If we lost Cabaye Tiotie and HBA all at once, its a whole new midfield……I believe this is a possible scenario, and if you listen to AP….he also believes so….especially to “sides in the champions leagues with spending power”

  • 27 Les Grossman // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:22 PM

    Ok lets use Spurs as a guidleine shall we?

    Sold Carrick and Berbatov? how long ago, and where did they finish that season?

    Modric, just sold, granted….how long was he at spurs?
    In fact look at the last three seasons of spurs, how many of their star players did they sell? in those three seasons?

    Can you not see, Harry Redknapp….bless his cockney wheeler dealer soul….wpuld not sell any of his best players.

    Since 2008, spurs never soled one of their star performers. Maybe thats how they built their top 4 team???
    What do you reckon Sage?

  • 28 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:24 PM


    Obviously it’s not ideal.

    I would like us to keep our stars and invest around 20million a year improving the quality but that’s not realistic.

    Only 3 teams in the league don’t sell players.

    Man utd, man city and chelsea.

    city and cheslea have massive financial backing so dont need to and people dont like to leave man utd as they are always challenging for every trophy.

    Even teams like arsenal (17 years in champs league), spurs, everton, us, fulham, all sell players as top top players want to win things. Even champions league isn’t enough to keep the most ambitious players happy.

    I think its widely accepted (although fans arent happy) that their best players will move if the right offer comes in.

    Very few teams around the world are big enough to keep people.

    Only the 3 english ones I mentioned, Madrid, Barca, possibly Munich and Milan but even they lose players to the giants Madrid and Barca.

    As long as we dont sell all at once and the money is properly invested back into the team, not just a small percetnage of it we will remain competitive in the european places I think.

  • 29 ToonDownSouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:25 PM


    That’s a pretty big exageration there mate! Pardew believes we could lose Cabaye, Tiote and Hatem at the same time?

    I really don’t recall that one!

  • 30 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    Out of are entire squad i’d say tiote n ben arfa are the 2 players im most confident in the club retaining they really seem to love the club and city n just seem to be happy playing for the toon

  • 31 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:30 PM


    Thats the thing with spurs and probably us.

    We havent sodl for 18 months now since carroll (enrique had to go, contract nearly gone)

    Spurs had a good 3 years where they never sodl and got champs league, They never made it last year so ended up losing modric. They will struggleto get top 4 this years.

    We are one of 4 teams who will realistically want champs league but only 1 place up for grabs, all teams in thsi situation will lsoe top players or be at risk of losing top if they dont get it,. even lose them if they do get it.

  • 32 Les Grossman // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:32 PM

    Sorry, you misunderstand (again)
    What I am actually saying is that we could lose any of our blue chip players, namely the three, if a Champions league club comes in, the club is susceptable to losing its best players. Do you honestly think that Mike Ashley will say NO to a 25m bid for each player in January?? Honestly. I think, and sorry this is my opinion, that Pardew believes that they will sell any player, any amount of players for big money….as he stated.

    “If we lost Cabaye Tiotie and HBA all at once, its a whole new midfield……I BELIEVE this is a possible scenario, and if you listen to AP….he also believes so….(that he will lose any or all of these players)”

    Are you truly so naive to think that this couldnt happen?

  • 33 bollance // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:32 PM

    The challenge Pards has is ensuring the players at least perform to the level they did last season. If he can do that, which he is capable of doing then why not?

    Hardest player to manage in nufc colours? HBA. Player of the season, and by a mile in my opinion, HBA.

    We will come good but haven’t started playing yet. Just a matter of time

  • 34 Les Grossman // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    Totally agree.
    Just worried about injuries and such.
    Thin, relatively inexperienced squad.

  • 35 magpiebop // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    Enjoy the players we have because that’s all we can ever do as fans. Personally I don’t see anything in it for us trying to second guess the workings in the mind of our billionaire business genius owner. Anyone who thinks they can do better had better go out, earn the money and bid for the club!

    As far as I’m concerned we’ve improved three seasons running and seen some great games in that time. Patience in the transfer market seems vital to our current strategy given that we’re not scouting players 4-5 games but 4-5 years!

  • 36 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    It could be argued that we’ve already faced the challenge of extra games, injuries, tough opposition and still managed 4 points in 3 games plus EL qualification….and this is whilst not playing one decent game of football.

    I’m with bollance, once we start playing well (or when we stop with 4-4-2 :) ) we should do well and can give the big boy outsiders a run for their money.

    On selling players for big fees….It surely will happen from time to time. I did not want Carroll to go and was simply gutted. However, in the end, it was a positive move. I would be slightly more concerned if we lost 3 at the same time, but it all comes down to who we bring in

  • 37 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    Well said mate and yeah HBA for a full season could be the big difference this season!

  • 38 ToonDownSouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:42 PM


    I miunderstand again? When was the last time I misunderstood? :|

    No, I do not believe that we would sell our entire midfield at the same time. I think that is a very very unlikely scenario.

    I think most here seriously overrate our players, and I cannot see bids coming in for them all that would convince the club to sell.

  • 39 bollance // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:44 PM


    I think this season we will use the Europa to bring through some youngsters like Tav which may result in Simo being sold in Jan. He wont sign a new contract it would appear and i doubt we will want to lose him for nowt. At the very least play Anita there second half of season. But you are right, boils down to injuries.

    Last season we could not afford to sell Guthrie at xmas because we had little cover. So instead we kept him as cover and he played a lot of games. Arguably playing better then Cabaye.

    The club probably want another AC to come through. Bigi could be the one. Very young and already played to good level, championship last season. You pay a premium for potential. Still cant work out how we paid so little. Its a mystery?

  • 40 bollance // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:48 PM


    That was not my point but you are right. We only has HBA firing in the second half of the season.

    The plan is to have more match winners in the side. Pards said he wants 3-4. Possibly we have players like Cisse or Ba who could do that on a regular basis. Moments of magic that win matches like the pen HBA won against Spurs. That was the difference.

  • 41 MagpiesFlyHigh // Sep 6, 2012 at 3:51 PM


    As I posted… we are going to do business in January but have deferred signings for reasons of negotiating strength and frankly because gamblers like AM just love winging it. With our injuries, that decision is already looking unwise.

    In that case the head turned bluechips will be chuffed to bits, AP will bring them round with his legendary powers of persuasion and we’ll power into the last three months of the season… then the bluechips might leave … next summer window but the club will just not let them go in January… and if they do, even AP might lose patience with the so-called ‘lack of ambition’ of the owner. And that would leave us in the merde… So I don’t think your worst case scenario will come about, but am also less confident in MA’s commitment, as you are

  • 42 ToonDownSouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    Every single transfer window, everyone says we’re going to sell all our best players.

    Tiote has been a dead cert’ to leave ever since he joined!

  • 43 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:11 PM


    Spot on.

    Every transfer window people say we will lose big played and we haven’t for a while now.

    The reality is any club except a very few ( I mentioned earlier, man utd, barca, real, city and maybe Chelsea) are vulnerable.

    Most players want to play at the highest level possible and earn as much as they can doing it.

    I see it as long as we only sell for good money and then use that to improve the team it’s ok.

    Newcastle does not have a rich history of winning trophies, nothing for about 40 years so why would players stay if they had a chance to move to a team like man utd who usually get at least 1 trophy a season

  • 44 woolerbill // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    you can talk till you are blue in the face brothers, we will do well to be in the top ten. January will see a star leave and two or three come in, but it will be to late. We could do well if management do what is required.

  • 45 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:21 PM


    I disagree. This team is very good starting 11 and we have a good set of players on reserve.

    I expect us to be top 8 at least and possibly push 5/6.

    That’s the joy of football, everyone has their own view

  • 46 bills-son // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:22 PM

    95% of NUFC fans didnt think we’d finish in the top 6 last season.

    And solano said we’d get relegated.

    I reckon poll stands for Pure Opinion Little Likelehood.

  • 47 Blaydon-Toon // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    Very unlikely scenario to let our entire midfield go … One blue chip player at most and if we get a good price I.e 25 million and re-invest that is the way forward given the fact that tiotie cabaye HBA cost peanuts …. Not advocating the fact we should sell but that is good business in anyone’s eyes specially the FCB

  • 48 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:27 PM


    People seem to think we are the only club to sell players.

    Arsenal have been selling for years. They are always in champs league and even spend more on new players than us. The fact is top players want to win things.

    Unless you are the very very top level, Madrid, barca, man utd, etc then players will always have a better club ahead of yours.

    Even man utd couldn’t stop ronaldo leaving.

  • 49 Ian Toon // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    Les- spot on in your illustration of Spurs to Make your point on transfer activity. They spent around £ 150 million in period of 20 months from Jan 2009. But the summer of 2008 saw Ramos sell
    Robbie Keane and Berbatov for £ 50 million. They also had previously sold Defoe to Portsmouth for £ 8 million. The advent of Redknapp who as you say loves a deal was a period of wheeler dealing. I would hope that we will do somewhat better on a smaller outlay and manage also not to be perpetually in transition. Daniel Levy is a good negotiator but their fans are always bitching on lack of quality signings. It is par for the course.

  • 50 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:35 PM


    Do you think we will be like spurs?

    We haven’t sold a big player for 18months. If we keep this lot together and add one or two with youngsters as well we might get champs league this or next year?

    We will always sell players if a perfect offer comes in, just like spurs, arsenal do.

    We just need to make sure most of the money we get selling is put back into transfers of our own

  • 51 Blaydon-Toon // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    Ps we have come along way in a short space of time … People seem to forget we were playing at the likes of Watford Ipswich and Palace two seasons ago ! I am more than happy with where we are in terms of squad and would love to have brought in a few more first team players but all in good time !!!

  • 52 Ian Toon // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:38 PM

    TS – yes I do . Depends how well we do up to January because it’s a catch 22 situation. If we under perform both management and players will take the initiative potentially to move out.

  • 53 magpiebop // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:42 PM

    bills-son, so at least it’s improved from last year!

  • 54 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:43 PM


    Even of the player want to move im sure Ashley would get a good price for them.

    And no matter how well we do cabaye, Ben arfa, cisse, etc could all be tempted to move if a club like man utd or barca came in for them.

    We just new to enjoy the players while we have them and hope that if we do sell they are properly replaced

  • 55 BigCheddar // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    I believe Pardew can pick things up. Last season was incredible and I don’t think Pardew got the credit he deserved for how he inspires players to achieve above their normal standard. I just wonder if it’s time to mix his style a bit and show a darker side. Does he need to get angry?

  • 56 magpiebop // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:45 PM

    We won’t need to sell players if we’re in the black!

  • 57 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    All this balanced reasonable discussion is making me nervous.

    I have seen nothing yet to make me think top 8 as a minimum is not achievable this season. I also don’t see why that 4th spot cannot be a realistic target, but not to the point where anything less is a failure.

    As for Pardew walking. I really don’t see it. Where is he going to? I think he’s doing a really good job for us, but I doubt one of the big boys are going to be trying to get him and where will he be backed by more ambitious owners who have more chance than us to win trophies? I can’t think of one.

  • 58 Tsunki // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    The players in the current squad have every incentive to win. Injuries are an opportunity to bring forward good young players and rotate the system to suit. It may not always work well, but it will eventually be for the better, they have to jump in some time. I am sure Pardew was hoping to stave off the effects of fatigue and injury by using our fringe players in the cups, but if more fist choicce players

  • 59 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:53 PM


    I can’t see pards walkin either.

    He won’t get a better job than this.

    Also he was brought in as they didn’t think he would ruffle any feathers and just get on with it. He will have know roughly what he was getting into when he signed up.

    He might have thought he would have a bit more money but can’t see him signing thinking we would be spending 20mil or more a year.

  • 60 Tsunki // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:54 PM

    Damn tablet! It should continue….
    If more first choice players are sidelined early, the cups will have to be sacrificed for the league, simple decision.

  • 61 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    Yeh our youngsters and reserves have the chance to step up.

    It obviously would be bad if we played all 11 at once. But using one or two at a time won’t have to much of a problem.

  • 62 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:57 PM

    So youth players aren’t happy to just sit around and wait? They actually want playing time?

    If we seriously want to start pushing our youth recruitment to the next level, we will need to give them their chance. As Tsunki is saying above, it wont always work, but it will benefit us in the long run.

    As fans we’ve been patient for many years, can we not afford to give the club a few more to see the plan come in to play?

  • 63 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:58 PM


    I’m happy being patient. The only thing I have seen Newcastle win is the championship haha.

    What I would say is that Ashley never came in and ruined a winning club. We didn’t win trophies before him and we won’t win them after him haha.

  • 64 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 4:59 PM

    Tsunki…Much like last season. Not having domestic cup fixtures surely helped us with our 5th placed finish?

    I want silverware as much as the next fan, but looking at the bigger picture, I’m happy to see progression.

    Question is…is that what we’re seeing or have we been shafted by the fat mans lies? :)

  • 65 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    TS….Not sure I like that last bit. It’s like saying it doesn’t matter what Ashley does, we never do anything of serious note and never will :)

  • 66 magpiebop // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    The thing is players move and not always to bigger clubs! Players move for money, fancy a change of country, because a friend plays there, want more chance of medals, family reasons, need a new challenge. By playing 18yr old Bigirimana the other day, who is to say other top youngsters are sitting up and thinking that if they join Newcastle United, they will be given a chance to prove themselves.

  • 67 Blaydon-Toon // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:03 PM

    I’m with you Ibiza time well tell we are further ahead in quality of squad and good youngsters who will be given experience … We have won nothing in my life time so I for one am prepared to wait a little longer – and I do mean just a little bit

  • 68 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:04 PM

    magpiepop…Exactly. Young players want to play at top clubs. The real key word there is “play”. Not sit on a bench for years.

    If we provide an attractive club, constantly pushing for Europe whilst giving youngsters a chance, I can’t see why exciting young talent wouldn’t want to come to us. If only to showcase their talents with a view to eventually move on.

    From a team in the championship to that is hardly showing no ambition. We may not be constantly competing for silverware, but that is not a realistic target for us right now. Few years down the line, why not? For now, we should be happy with where we are imo.

  • 69 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    Blaydon….So save the execution of Ashley until next season then? :)

  • 70 Blaydon-Toon // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    Ashley has done a lot of bad things for our beloved club but is gradually turning my opinion so we will wait till next year ….

  • 71 GeordieTwo // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    There is a reason people are doubtful. With a net spend of 3M pounds and the way the team has started the season with indifferent play it looks like we will slip down the table this season. Now we have a growing list of injuries as well. Raylor, Perch, Simpson, and now apparently Colo. With no depth at the back thanks to Llambias it could be a very tough patch ahead. Not all doom and gloom but this start has not been impressive at all. The strikers look completely out of form and we are missing Tiote badly. A club of our size can spend more than 3M after a fantastic finish last season but Llambias is clueless.

  • 72 aemagpie // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    what day is the senegal ivory coast match?

  • 73 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    Was sifting through the comments earlier and noticed that you were getting a bit of stick Ibiza…oh how times have changed ;)

    So, the ambitions of the owners and the value of playing youngsters in at an earlier stage are the topics of debate?

    Well on the issue of MA’s ambitions for the club I think it would be wise to see what our current squad are capable of before we slate the owner as lacking any ambition. Sure he sorted the wheat from the chaff in the development squad and insisted that we have a very strong youth set-up and overseen the assembly of a top 5 squad so I tend to think he harbours some ambition for NUFC. So let’s wait to see how this pans out.

    Considering how well Bigi played on Sunday there does seem to be great merit in bringing in talented youngsters in so that they garner PL experience as well as showcasing NUFC as a team that encourages the development of young talent.

    But us mini-accountant apologists clearly have no idea what we’re talking about. Just a bunch of muppets :P

  • 74 beefman13 // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:17 PM

    the larger majority for sure believe we are going to have a worse season than last, they say we were lucky in quite a few games? 38 games in the prem and it dosnt lie!!!!the secret of good teams is when you are under the cosh you still come out with a result and we did that on quite a few occasions.

    the fans who think we could struggle will be the same ones who thought we would not get out of the coca cola, who then said we would get relegated, and then would be fighting relegation last season, and they were so wide of the mark its unreal yettheym still have little faith in our squad which has maybe the best team spirit in the premiership and that counts for a hell of a lot.

    how many fans have been surprised by bigi and anita so far, quite a few i would say, and amilifatano will surprise a few more, he was french league 1 player of the season last season and is very highly rated in every department, our scouting again is doing its job and in my book is the best in the prem by miles.

    We have three cups and the prem to go for i believe our squad can more than cope with it and may well get added to in january, we might just taste that piece of glory this season it is for me not without good chance.

    Plenty of great nights ahead for us this season and i do think our beloved club will progress again, its a tough call to say we will finish in fifth again but we will give it one hell of a go.

  • 75 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:20 PM


    I totally agree with the premise of your argument that we should all get behind the lads and just adopt a more positive frame of mind, spot on there fella.

    (Romain Amalfitano was playing in Ligue 2 last year with Stades Reims, his brother Morgan Amalfitano played in Ligue 1 last year for Marseilles so maybe that’s who you were thinking of, but Romain is very highly regarded in France too)

  • 76 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:21 PM

    Is it really a question of net spend?

    I’m not disputing whether we needed new players or not, just this constant we’ve only spent £3m.

    We sold Andy Carroll for £35m, got in a load of players not even close to that total, but it was great business and the club made money.

    As for the start. What has been bad? The performances? They weren’t great last season either and I remember a lot of worried fans at the time. Players didn’t look sharp, lacked understanding, etc etc. But they ground out decent results (although we hadn’t played anyone of note yet, remember?).

    What’s the major difference this season? The only “result” that can be deemed as disappointing imo is Villa. These happen and at least we salvaged a point. I believe we’ll get our act together, then for me, the major issue will be injuries. We had them last year and managed. Difference this season, no Danny Guthrie (we have Anita) and Europa League.

    We “should” be fine. Anything can happen though, but until that anything happens, can’t we remain upbeat?

  • 77 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    Well said fantastic post

  • 78 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:23 PM


    How dare you bully people in an attempt to get them to conform to your point of view.

    Also, if you mention people with no toes then you are vulgar and should be removed from the blog with immediate effect.

  • 79 Tsunki // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:24 PM

    yeah I vote hang fire on the public hanging of Ash & Co for a season or so, we were all crowing over our astute fiscal and transfer policy a matter of months ago and the thread lately is of doubt and the dawning of realisation that we may actually have been sold the Big Lie about all that. There is a certain degree of faith required when supporting this club and thats what makes Mags unique – although we cant stand shirkers, we are long-suffering if we see effort put in. Perhaps we should apply that to our view of the team at the top, especially when by definition they will not and can not divulge the day-to-day dealings to us mere mortals. We will have to see what transpires, but in the meantime I think we could all do with standing back and looking at the bigger view – every so often a blogger will remind us that a couple of seasons ago the ‘experts’ had us dropping to league 1 before a champs ball got kicked. We are in the early stages of a new era, and it may not be messrs. Ben Arfa, Cabaye or Messi that win us that silverware, but we are going about it a better way these days than we were before.

  • 80 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:25 PM

    Ruddy….I must say It took me by surprise…Never have I been challenged before :)

    I have learned today that I am a joke. So glad to know this, perhaps now I can accept it and move on with my life. Phew, feels like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders :)

  • 81 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:25 PM

    Its all about the net spend ffs bloody accountants you do mu nut put down your calculator there are far more important things than penny pinching, like helping me draft a letter to pot noodle for a limited edition potch noodle

  • 82 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:28 PM

    tads….Potch noodle is a better name for that sh*te in a pot. Apologies for any pot noodle lovers out there….I didn’t go to college or uni so missed that delight :)

  • 83 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    Uh oh….more bad news. Simmo will be back sooner than expected! Relegation here we come

  • 84 Tsunki // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    Ibiza @75 – yes right up to crimbo we ‘hadn’t really played anyone yet’ had we?

    Villa is not a surprising result really. What else would a chronically mundane team do coming to SJP to face us? They will cheat, time waste, kick and defend en masse hoping to steal a win but definitey grind out a draw. Villa cannot do all season what they did to us, they will not win enough games to stay up, they will collect bans from accumulated cards, and they will have injuries in their defensive ranks, plus come the transfer window, defections of ‘top’ players. We just got them at a bad time.

  • 85 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    Oh tads…do mu nut….is that some form of tibetan chant?

  • 86 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:31 PM


    I liked the comment you made to Jimmy about bullying. We get so much stick for “bullying” people yet it was him who was going around calling everyone who disagreed with him “muppets”

    As for being a joke, I’ve always thought you were a joke so don’t take that one too badly ;)

  • 87 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    Tsunki…I doubt we played anyone at all last season…that’s where out luck was.

    I missed the villa game, so can’t really comment too much (since when did that stop me?).

  • 88 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:33 PM

    Have you not heard of the famous do mu nut tree? Bit suprised to be honest!

  • 89 ToonDownSouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:34 PM

    If Amalfitano and Good play as well in the PL as Bigirimana did the other day, then I’d say we’ve had a bloody brilliant window.

    See – it’s easy to look on the bright side of life. It keeps you happy, and you enjoy it more.

  • 90 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    Ruddy….I don’t have a major problem with Jimmy, but I did feel it was needed to point out that I think their stance on “optimists” bullying and calling people names was pathetic, especially seeing as they do it as much if not more. Anyway, love a balanced blog…it get’s boring knowing your right all the time :)

    Couldn’t you have told me I was a joke sooner? I could have already passed this point of acceptance and could be well on my way in life.

  • 91 beefman13 // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    Ruddy, i was taking french league one like our prem to championship but he was player of the season.
    he isnt a million miles of cabaye skill wise but has the ability to go past players which is were cabaye dosnt, and he can see a great pass as well.

    These cup games in the three compititons will showcase our fringe players, just hope the likes of young fergie can stay injury free cos he is a little belter,

    If we look at our cup runs in the league cup the last few seasons it has been the fringe players that got us progressed and when the senior players came in we got beat, i have every faith in the fringe at the club, the youngins play great together and were heads and shoulders better than anything else in the reserve league until they all got broke up last season.

    again our under 21`s as they call it look head and shoulders above owt else, we have so much to be thankful for now at this moment but there is still a grey fog hanging over us according to a lot of fans.

    I think we are the envy of many a club now, and will continue to move forward in my opinion.

  • 92 Tsunki // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    Ibiza- ho ho you finally got found out did you? Who was that guy that shot you down? bit random that.

  • 93 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    Guys, let’s tone it down….i swear there is a positivity level alarm for this blog. We will awaken the negativity officers, so keep it down.

    I think if you end any statement with Ashley has no ambition any other positive comments sneak under the radar.

    Pardews a puppet!!!!

  • 94 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    Widowmaker // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    Ibiza, I personally think you are a joke,and somehow I hope it is not only me

    117 Ibizatoon – Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    Widowmaker…Like a knock knock joke?

    118 Ibizatoon – Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:21 PM

    Widowmaker…Come on, please do enlighten me, why am I such a joke?

    119 Ibizatoon – Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 2:37 PM

    Nothing I like more than statements with no back up argument. Good on you widowmaker, bet it feels good.

  • 95 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    Amalfitano, to me, has looked a great little player! The one player i was gutted about leaving was guthrie but with bigi,amal and anita i think are midfield looks fantastic and by all accounts good has been solid in his reserve n U21 pl games so hopefully he’ll get some games this season we really do have some cracking young players when you take in to account abied,tav and vuckic (if he can stay fit!) no reason we cant be pushing top 6 again this season

  • 96 GeordieTwo // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    There is no public hanging of Ashley required. The club is much improved from 4 or 5 years ago. Perhaps we have had too much success too soon. Are we really prepared for the number of games coming in the next few months? I would argue that we will field a very young side for the Europa games and a dog’s breakfast for the cups. We just can’t field quality sides that often and now too many defensive injuries. We have gone through 2 summer windows now with no CB signings of note (Good may turn out to be a decent signing but not now). Pardew came out and said we needed a CB and would get one. What happened there? What happened was Derek couldn’t get it done as usual. How do we always manage to offer 1 or 2M less than a club is willing to accept? Is it possible Llambias never intended to bargain in good faith but wanted to look like he was doing something?

  • 97 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    Seems as though the more optimistic of us are dominating the blog at the minute, oh how I do love these little calms before the storms :D


    Agree with you, Amalfitano looked tidy in the few pre-season games I’ve seen him play in, Gosling is perhaps just getting more of an opportunity to seize a place in the EL starting XI, if Pards doesn’t see him being up to the job then he’ll prob give him a lot more game time in that competition which hopefully will give him confidence to break into the PL team.

    Hoping Good breaks into the team soon so we get to see what he’s all about.

  • 98 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    tads…Don’t think we have do mu nut tree’s here. Must be something to do with the climate???

  • 99 jawballsaswallwell // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:40 PM

    This team can certainly finish 4th. It has real quality throughout as well as confidence, comraderie and world class support. The most obvious variables for us seemingly are whether we can keep our best players on the pitch throughout the season.

    Big money offers could be accepted, although this has only happened the one extraordinary time. Key players may want to leave in Jan, but this is unlikely unless we are out of touch by then. Injuries, tiredness with an squad arguably lacking depth are also
    potential factors, but all teams will have their own hurdles and pitfalls to negotiate. Liverpool only have 2 strikers for example and a new system with largely the old team. Tottenham and Arsenal have lost hugely influential players. Everton look solid but a bit thin.

    Who knows where we’ll finish, but it is a mouthwatering season in prospect and surely we are well in it as things stand.

  • 100 Tsunki // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    Ruddy we just need a good hiding off fulham and it’ll be a suicidal tsunami in here.

  • 101 north_country_boy // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:42 PM

    May be thinking way outside the box here but what if Cashley is sticking all his spending money under the bed and then when the time comes for all these so-called big spenders to balance their books and have no cash to spend out comes Mikes dosh and we’re the only club with any money and pick and choose the best players for ourselves! ;-)

  • 102 ToonDownSouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:42 PM

    I’m a little concerned about Abeid to be honest. I do wonder why he’s out of favor, after such a good pre season. He has impressed almost every single time he’s played.

    I wonder if there’s something about him that Pardew isn’t keen on. Attitude maybe? I’m 100% guessing, of course.

  • 103 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:42 PM

    GeordieTwo….Maybe they just don’t feel we need to pay what people perceive as the going rate. If they pull off the deal then great, if not, no great loss. Not always going to work, but has done overall so far.

    Not getting a CB in for the past 2 years is odd I will admit. But can we expect anyone of top quality to come in with STaylor and Colo in place? Most will want to be a guaranteed starter, maybe this is the issue? I really have no idea.

  • 104 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    I like were your going with this……

  • 105 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    @ruddy that’s because the pessimists and miseries see you and go “sod that its not worth the hassle” lol

  • 106 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:44 PM


    Oh how I love debating with people who come out with one unsubstantiated comment and do nothing in the way of supporting it. It makes me convinced that philosophical discussion lives and breathes on this blog…:P


    Well the u-21s have had two brilliant results and it is great to have a platform where there is a league set out for both the u21s and u18s, as much as I think there is value in the reserves I think setting out leagues for these age groups makes the games that bit more competitive and any games of a competitive nature can only be good for our first team, especially when you consider how many players of 19/20/21 years of age are in and around the first team looking to break into the starting XI.

  • 107 MagpiesFlyHigh // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:44 PM


    do you see amalfi being Guthrie’s replacement then ?
    so Bigi, Good and obviously Anita are squad builders

  • 108 MagpiesFlyHigh // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    At the moment we’ve got everything except a really good performance under our belts and that is why folk are anxious….

  • 109 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:46 PM


    I doubt I have that kind of impact on people, if anything I think those of the negative inclination look at the blog and see me commenting and say to themselves:

    “3 syllable words? Defending puppet Pardew? Calling the squad capable of top 6 again this season? I’m going to have that bullying optimistic little shit!” haha

  • 110 GeordieTwo // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:49 PM

    Weren’t the lads singing let’s all look on the bright side of life being crucified? We are doing well with the squad except along the back 4. Why ignore the back 4? Simpson has not been replaced. No depth at CB. Santon looks to be improving to me but it will take time. If Colo is out for an extended period we will have major problems. Willo can’t replace Colo. We’ve needed a decent CB since Campbell left. We also need a non-African striker for obvious reasons. Adam Campbell looks promising but he is 17. Let’s let the spotlight shine on Llambias for a while and see what he is up to. Why invest in Rangers if you can’t afford to spend on your own club?

  • 111 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:50 PM


    Well I must admit that I, personally, have not been impressed with our performances this season. We played well in the second halves against Spurs, Chelsea and were quite good in the second half against Villa.

    We were very good in the first half of the second leg against Atromitos, so maybe it is because we haven’t controlled a game yet this season and have only shown flashes of performances.

    We battled for a point against a dogged Villa side, were well beaten by a good Chelsea side away and beat Spurs, a team that finished ahead of us last season. I don’t quite get the intensity of anger against MA. Could understand quiet frustration but some people are just mental.

  • 112 MagpiesFlyHigh // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:50 PM


    2 many syllables…… muppet :)

  • 113 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    @ruddy but simmo is shit

  • 114 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:51 PM

    Anita at the mo its hard to see where he was bought to play in all honesty i thought he was gonna play along side tiote in a 3 man midfield but at the moment obviously that isnt happening! But with his versatility you could argue he’s been bought to add depth, amalfitano i wouldnt say is a direct replacement for guthers he is more attacking but yeah he seems like a player who can come in seemlessly and slot in when we need him whether thats cos we need the game changing or through injuries but, and granted this is only from what i’ve seen so far, he looks to be a tidy player
    Bigi i think will be pushing the first team so yeah you could say i think they have all been bought in to add depth

  • 115 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:53 PM


    Can count on you lads to pull me back to earth with a bang eh? :P

  • 116 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    Btw lads part of the reason I am in a really good mood at the minute is because Singin’ in the Rain is on the telly in the background. God I do love a bit of Gene Kelly haha

  • 117 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:55 PM

    @ruddy i challenge you to be monosylabic for the rest of the night

  • 118 ToonDownSouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:55 PM


    Amalfitano’s more of an attacking replacement – I guess at a stretch you could say he’s taking Lover’s place.

  • 119 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:57 PM


    Oh now come on. We both know that there is no way that I could speak like that. If I talk like that I will just seem dumb and I would hate for all of you out there to think that I am not a smart lad ;)

  • 120 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    GeordieTwo….I’m sorry, but your last question there really raises more questions about your thought process than anything.

    Clearly Ashley is a wealthy man. I’m sure he has other business interests other than Newcastle and Sports Direct. He see’s his “stake” is Rangers as a decent investment and a chance to get more shirt sales for Sports Direct. I doubt very much that he’s using our transfer budget to fund it, in fact, i’m pretty sure that would be considered illegal (but happy to be proved wrong on this).

    As for needed a CB since Sol Campbell left, what did Sol Campbell provide when he was here?

  • 121 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    Wow…..Never and I mean never, have I seen Ruddy make a whole post with no words containing more than 5 letters. Whatever next?

  • 122 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM


    I think I am just going to go back to my normal style, takes too much effort to be monosyllabic haha

    Anyways, any news on how long Colo could be out for? I read that he is going to have a fitness test too see if he can be fit for their game on Tuesday so surely it can’t be that bad?

  • 123 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    @ruddy you smart arse

  • 124 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:05 PM

    Yeah thats true good shout

    Geordie two
    As i understand it, his share is an agreement owned by sports direct and nothing to do directly with ashleys money and certainly not NUFC’s, basically the same arrangement rangers had with whealen and JJB, wouldnt be suprised if getting one over on whealen was his main incentive!

  • 125 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:07 PM

    i mentioned this yesterday but vanden borre is a free agent. what happened to him? he was once touted as having more potential than kompany.

  • 126 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:07 PM

    Ruddy….You can only be who or what you are (not sure why I felt the need for who or what, just covering any possibilities). I found being a negger the other day absolutely exhausting and wont be trying again anytime soon.

    As for Colo, I was saying this earlier. Sure, it’s not great, but if they’re keeping him, surely it’s not so bad. Not seen any new reports since then, so perhaps he’s had a leg amputated or something???

  • 127 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:08 PM


    But sure that’s why everyone’s loves me….or is that hates me? I always get those two mixed up :p

  • 128 beefman13 // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:08 PM

    ibiza, i would have liked another top centre half especially, i also like debuchy but for now that wasnt to be, MA wont get rolled over by anyone if he thinks they are moving the goalposts like michel sedoux at lille, i still think there will be someone else come in january.

    like Ruddy says by its a breath of fresh air at the moment on the blog with the positive stuff going on.
    Thing is old jimiley and wynsleep will be waking up from their afternoon nap shortly ready to balance the books for the neggers ha ha.

  • 129 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    Never heard of him tbh PPB….from my googling I can’t understand why he has no club. Maybe he’s a bore?

    Ok, I’ve just added fuel to the fire for immature poster remarks, haven’t I?

  • 130 GeordieTwo // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    Ibizatoon it turned out Campbell was useless but the idea was to have an experienced CB to fill in. The need hasn’t gone away. If Colo has hamstring problems it becomes very difficult for us to play in 4 competitions. As for Ashley’s investment policy I actually could care less how much money he plans to make on other companies/clubs. One thing he could do however is hire a managing director with football experience. We have a fantastic head scout but sadly can’t say the same for the MD. This season will turn out to be difficult mainly because of our finish last season. Ashley wasn’t prepared to finish so high in the table and now a disappointing season will renew the focus on the MD hopefully. Hope I am wrong. You make some very good points. Great discussion!

  • 131 beefman13 // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    Ruddy, i get the big thumbs down mularchy on teamtalk by the sack the board squad, i think every blog is the same concerning the toon, there is still a lot more neggers kicking about even after three very good years in my opinion.

  • 132 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    @ruddy its a love hate thing. optimists love you. pessimists hate you.
    i just want your children

  • 133 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    To be honest dont much about the lad, know he had a spell at pompy but couldnt tell ya if he was any good!

    Soz mate missed your post about abied, must admit its a bit strange he had a great pre season and was hyped up quiet alot by pards but has dropped off the radar!
    Does anyone know whats happened to the lad????

  • 134 Tsunki // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:14 PM

    TDS – dont know where i saw it but some foreign paper had abeid going on loan to a turkish club?

  • 135 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:15 PM


    I’d imagine living life as a negger would be exhausting, and you were only putting it on for the blog! They have to live like that. Should we actually feel sympathy for their plight?


    Well we can only do the best we can to stay as level headed and up beat as we can. If we don’t slate them for their point of view then no one can call us bullies or the blog police etc

    Where possible let’s try to engage in as open and rational way as possible. Albeit sometimes it just isn’t possible.

  • 136 GeordieTwo // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    PS Izbizatoon don’t worry about my thought process. It is doing ok thanks. I don’t have all the answers, they are just opinions (as is yours). Still I am enjoying the debate. Toon army down south, my main concern is to see the club steadily improve. I just don’t think that will happen with Llambias in there. The obvious reason he is still there is he won’t question Ashley on spending and he couldn’t care less about the club or the city as long as he can pick up his dosh.

  • 137 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    Apparantly roma were after him to!

  • 138 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:16 PM

    GeordieTwo….As do you, as do you. We need healthy balance on here, otherwise we just get accused of virtual sex acts….and no one wants that.

    Whilst a footballing minded MD may prove beneficial, I have two words….Dennis Wise. Perhaps we need a good mix of business and football minded for an MD? :)

    As for an experienced CB to step in, I think we’ve been burnt one too many times using that method and Ashley now would rather bring through youngsters with potential (and on low wages) when needed. Probably wont win us anything, but neither have the likes of Campbell and Smith. I would hope the plan down the line is to then push on and not just stick around 4th spot (like Arsenal) as I’m sure that can get frustrating. I will however take that over what we’ve endured since the days of Sir Bobby, which honestly, was painful.

  • 139 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:17 PM

    @ibiza and tads. all i can make out is he has a bit of an attitude problem. he looked a good player though. 24 and without a club

  • 140 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:18 PM


    Like the sentiment fella, bit strong but I’ll just say that I like you too…

  • 141 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:19 PM

    Geordie two
    I think the club has come on leaps and bounds after a shaky start with ashley and thruth be told relegation was probably the best thing to happen to the club ashley is very careful about who we sign and seems to have a very strict criteria that players have to meet, however i cant disagree with you on llambais i cant think off a nastier bloke to have to negotiate buisness with!

  • 142 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:20 PM

    @ruddy is that bullies remark a thinly veiled insult at all who called you bullies?

  • 143 Tsunki // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:21 PM

    Geordie Two – dont want to gang up on you mate but since when did sol campbell leave a void that hasn’t been filled in defence? He didn’t do anything but collect a fat wage, and he strung that one out.

    Your thoughts on Llambias may be accurate but who knows? Seeing as his dividends and bonuses undoubtedly depend on club performance (as is the notoriously simple Sports Direct Way) your idea that he cares not a jot what happens in the club are a little vacuous and unsubstantiated, unless you know something we dont.

  • 144 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:21 PM


    Don’t you know everything that I say is a thinly veiled insult?

  • 145 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    oh and vanden borre is a right back.
    he’s gotta be a better shout than Simpson!

    right that should stir up some trouble lol

  • 146 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    GeordieTwo…Sorry if the worried about your thought process was rude, it really wasn’t meant that way :)

    Ruddy…I do feel for them. What a way to live. I hope it’s not just a choice to be negative, as that is such a waste of time. There are many things to be joyful about. Like bills, weather, government…oh wait, i’m not helping the issue here – whoops.

    PPB….Do you really want the responsibility of teaching Ruddy’s children the English language? “No little Ruddy, C is for constitutional, don’t use cat, it’s not impressive enough” ;)

  • 147 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    Bit sad but just wiki’d the borre!
    Doesnt really say much about him but must of been some attitude to be released by racing genk! But looking at his clubs he’s played fir he seems to of started at some too clubs but over time dropped a level each time he moved maybe he just never lived up to his hype even more so if he has an attitude to match bit like a certain nile ranger

  • 148 catchy in norway // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    rangers in the 4th division in scotland got more money out of ashley than we did,
    thats where our money for new signings went

    as for pardew wanting to do better than last year, hahahahaha , it will never happen, well not with him in charge, he is to negative to be a top manager, hmmm fergi said man city scored more goals than we did last season, that wont happen again, thats the difference between pards and fergi, we defend fergi attacks

    we where so lucky last season, it was like a fairytail, liverpool and chelsea both having problems with there managers, i expect them to be above us at the end of the season, simply cos they spent money on good players,

    pardew will rely on obertan, perch, shola, williamson, jonas, them 5 players, they would not get in any other team wanting to finish in the top 10 in the prem, there the reason he will not finish 5th or 6th,

  • 149 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    @ruddy that was clearly a pop at me. im going to have you, you optimistic c**t

  • 150 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    Catchy…Thank god you got here. Please sort this lot out, they’re outta control I tell ya!

  • 151 Tsunki // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    oops G2 sorry mate got your Llambias comment muddled with someone elses and I cant find that one either now! strike that.

    Damn my feeble braiin!

  • 152 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    Does mocking someone count as bullying? Do I need a time out?

  • 153 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:29 PM

    Liverpool above us? Based on what? To sh1t strikers an injury prone and ageing defence? Or a midfield rodgers doesnt know how to use

  • 154 GeordieTwo // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    Tsunki it’s always sad to see words like vacuous used on here. Don’t you think it cheapens the debate? I think you make some good points which are not vacuous by the way. Saying Campbell was a poor player is very true but why did they bring him in? I think they saw a lack of depth and experience at CB. I continue to maintain that the lack of depth and experience is still there..Willo was a cheap buy who filled in well for a while but he is a clutch and grab artist who is slow on the turn and hopeless for offensive set pieces. Again some good points made and I am sure we all have different thoughts about LLambias (I tend to remember the drunken rant for example).

  • 155 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    a – abhorrent
    b – bragodocious
    c -constitutional
    d – delusional
    e – epithet
    f – ferociously
    g – geriatric
    h – hermetically
    i – inundated

  • 156 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:33 PM


    Thank God you’re here, it was way too happy for way too long. So how are things?

    So I see you’re yet another one of the money men who think that by spending more money than you’re rivals that automatically means that they will finish ahead of those that spent less.

    If that were true, then surely Sunderland are in line for a top 6 finish, Liverpool should have been top 4 last season and we will be fighting relegation this season.

    I know I am exaggerating here but I think that people are focusing on the money we didn’t spend, and the players that we didn’t bring in that they fail to acknowledge the extent of players we actually do have at the club.

    What is wrong with needing players like Perch, Willo, Jonas, Obertan, and Shola? These players are great players to have in and around a squad, Perch was one of our best players against Spurs, Obertan was class against Atromitos and Jonas is just Jonas. And to say that these players wouldn’t start for any other club in the top 10 is being incredibly unfair to them.

  • 157 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:33 PM

    ppb…Maybe I spoke too soon. I say you’re perfect to carry Ruddy’s offspring.

  • 158 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:35 PM

    and they’d have to use them in a sentence too

  • 159 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:36 PM

    Well that goes without saying :)

  • 160 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    I must leave you all soon. So I estimate you have a few minutes in which to throw some abuse my way.

  • 161 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    Right can we nip this whole “having my babies” thing in the bud? We aren’t doing ourselves any favours with the negger brigade in trying to convince them we aren’t all one big optimistic homosexual orgy..(I know I am assuming that we’re all lads here.)

  • 162 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    Nip what in the butt? Oh alright then, we’ll behave…you bully.

  • 163 beefman13 // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:39 PM

    Catchy to be fair lad, the players dalgliesh and comoli bought for liverpool last season were going to do the job for them apparently, they underperformed massivly hence they are nearly all or near to being out the door! s

    so your saying again liverpool have bought in better players than us we will wait and see but there is so much promise with ours and anita is class and the holland central midfielder cant get much better than that, he was brought up in the ajax system and for me only ben arfa has better technique.

    I just feel now everyone who signs for us does the business literally, even obertan who has prob been the least sucsessful of our buys will prove valuable in this coming season as we have many games to play!
    I dont doubt our scouting system 1 per cent, ive got total faith in them and thats the reason you dont have to shell out mega bucks, maybe the odd time we will still do that, pay quite a bit for a player and i think we will but they will have real confidence in the lad they bring in. chin up son!

  • 164 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:39 PM

    @ibiza could you imagine the stuck up poncey names we would pick. like tarquin and marigold

  • 165 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:39 PM


    Haughty derision it is…#Sheldonchuckle

  • 166 MagpiesFlyHigh // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:40 PM


    in that order


    I have two words for you too….. Lame Arse

  • 167 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:40 PM

    I will point out though, by being optimistic we do ourselves no favours. What’s a little homosexual reference between friends?

    P.S. Yes, I am playing this one up as I’m about to go. It’s all part of being the joke that I am (or at least I think it is, I’m just not sure anymore).

  • 168 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:41 PM

    @ruddy what’s wrong with being homosexual?

  • 169 GeordieTwo // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    No worries Tsunki, I think we will have a decent season and I love having so many promising youngsters in the squad. Has anyone seen the mention of Newcastle signing a coach from the middle east on a 2 year contract to help Willie Donachie? Sounds a bit strange but maybe he has good player connections in that region?

  • 170 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:44 PM

    MFH…I think you spell it Llambias….not 100% though :)

    ppb…Well, we’re definitely not discussing it anymore, but yes, those names would make the shortlist. Maybe optimus ruddious.

  • 171 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:45 PM

    @mph aye lol

  • 172 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:46 PM

    Ok, the time has come. Please save the tears, I can’t stand emotional goodbyes.

    Until next time


    Mini accountant, joke, muppet Ibizatoon xx

  • 173 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:46 PM


    Not one thing fella, however, we have been slated for “sucking each other off” by simply agreeing with each other before so the less we give the negger brigade the better.

    A person’s sexual preference should never be used as a tool of insult, however some people think that calling someone “gay” is a valid insult which is a little pathetic.

  • 174 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:49 PM

    later ibiza

  • 175 ppb // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:54 PM

    @ruddy homophobic insults insultsare low.
    anyway back to toon. i believe belive Colo will be fit for everton and if not perch is a solid replacement

  • 176 bro56 // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:55 PM

    I also don’t believe we had offers for some of our top players. I think its an excuse by Pards because we didnt sign anybody. Not that i’m complaining, I’m quite comfortable with the way the window finished.

    I reckon we’ll finish 6-8th. I was expecting pressure from Spurs, L’pool but their window has been pretty poor, esp L’pools.

    Lets see where we are in Jan and hopefully get the defenders we need to cement a proper challenge for Europe again. Although don’t the winners of the UEFA cup automatically qualify? :)

  • 177 catchy in norway // Sep 6, 2012 at 6:59 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    no im not a money man, just cos a guy cost more than another dont always make him a better player,

    BUT what we needed was defenders, a CB and a RB and possibly a striker, (not an african one) but we ended up loading our team with midfielders, vuckic , amiobe, goslin, marvaux, abied, all from last year, not used much, then romain and anita this year, hmmmm every one of these is better than obertan, yet he is always front of the Q to get on, ,, thats sad


    simply because they have good players, and a manager who seems to play to a system, regardless of aging deffence , they create chances, more than we do, and they will score more than us, i dont know about you, but from what iv seen, so far this season, our squad looks better than liverpools, but he seems to be getting more out of his team, hmmmmm makes you think , what could he do with our squad???


    i like anita, i think he has something to offer our team, im questioning can pardew get the best out of squad, on paper, we have a small squad, but the core first 11, is real quality, its so good, that the so call big 4, they would cheery pick at least 6 or 7 of our players, , pardew plays football to deep, isolates cisse and ba , pumps long balls up to them, because he insists on playing jonas on the left, what we end up with is pardew relying on HBA to create something for the 2 up front, cos JONAS CABAYE ANITA TIOTE all play to deep

  • 178 GeordieTwo // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:05 PM

    This is the link for the new coach from the middle east for those interested from icedog on another blog. Don’t know what to make of it for now.

  • 179 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:06 PM


    Well I don’t think we were discussing who is or is not better than Obertan so I think we’ll leave that one.

    As for us being “lucky” last season, perhaps a quote from Gary Player is in order, “The harder I work the luckier I get”

    Yes we did try to improve at RB, we bought an up and coming CB and Perch/Willo are more than capable replacements for Saylor or Colo so I am not too worried there. As for loading our team with midfielders, well I wouldn’t have thought people would be criticising the management for having too many players.

  • 180 catchy in norway // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:09 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    them players are not good to have around the squad, not at all,
    obertan, great hmm defff not, they were a very poor team, and he still could not get a cross in, he is fast and that is it :(

    shola, he is great against sunderland, but he is always injured and has been for many seasons now,

    jonas or marv hmmmm should be a no brainer, but jonas gets picked simply because he has served us well in the past, but right now and even last season we get very little from him, we have players in the squad who are better in CM and better on the wing, but he gets his game anyway

    perch has improved, but he wil never be good enough in my eyes, seems very scared to go over the half way line

    willamson, is just poor allround , slow, carnt read the game, and just hooves the ball every time

    if we want to be the same as last year, these players will not get us there

  • 181 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:16 PM


    But we got where we got last year with these players in our team, so why is it any different this season?

    Well some people will always see Perch, Willo, Simmo and Obertan as poor players and it isn’t my job to convince them differently. If you aren’t convinced of Perch’s quality in terms of adding depth to the squad then perhaps you need to question your perception.

    Willo stepped into the breach when Saylor got injured and was part of the back 4 that got us to 5th, he is questionable in terms of hands on in the box and isn’t the best with the ball at his feet but he can do a job and is capable of stepping in when we’re in need.

    I understand the frustration of using Jonas at LW although he has proved that he is a very capable DM and I have no problem with him being used there. The players we have capable of playing CM may not be convincing Pardew, it is up to them to step up. Bigi has came in and is earning rave reviews, this is not based on past performances, he is clearly doing the business in training and on the pitch, Vuckic, Abeid and co. would do well to take notice.

  • 182 beefman13 // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:18 PM

    Catchy, to honest Ba and Cisse have zilch communication skills with each other up front, as you say if we were more direct and got crosses in then they could probably feed a bit more, as for jonas its huff n puff stop n start he slows the game right down thats why i would play marveaux all day over jonas.

    simpson is the same forward a few paces then checks back and normally sideways cos he dosnt know what to do with the ball, jonas is a workhorse for sure but especially at home i would play marveaux every time, quick decisive balls. and excellent link up play!

    and i will say anita if he is asked to push further forward is terrific, i have seen him many times for ajax do just that, he is a player who can play in 3/4 positions just as well, i like tiote and cabaye but anita can play right back and midfield just as well were as cabaye/tiote could not play right back, i see anita as being a very important cog in our future team and a fantastic aquasition.

  • 183 Offkey // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    Ruddy – What can I say without insulting you……nothing, but then again, I doubt it would be something you haven’t heard before.

  • 184 Offkey // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:22 PM

    PPB – Go wipe your brown nose as its far to close to Ruddy’s backside.

  • 185 cyprus // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    That’s it AP my man. Talk the talk, congrats! Way better than the ‘education’ line.

  • 186 Super Magpie // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    I see I’ve arrived just in time. :D

  • 187 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    Just thought I’d check in before I go….Offkey, please don’t leave me out….I crave the attention.

    Bye x

  • 188 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:27 PM


    You think I worry about what you say/think? Think you are flattering yourself there my friend. The very fact that your first comment this evening is a non-footballing comment purely directed at me only serves to show your intentions so can we bypass the childish insults and just discuss football this evening?

    P.S What has PPB ever done to you? He means everything he says about me in a tongue in cheek manner.

  • 189 Offkey // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:27 PM

    Ibiza – If you want, however, I thought you generally had your own opinion…………maybe not.

  • 190 Super Magpie // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    Hmm, so now that’s 4 defenders injured in what is a very thin defense.
    It’s like something wants to make our defence even thinner than it is.

    Also, no disrespect to Colo, but does anyone think this might be the start of him getting injured more and more regularly? It will be devastating if he is.

  • 191 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    Super Magpie

    Well if Colo is injured more and more then maybe we will see a quicker introduction to the young Aussie Curtis Good, if he is as good as the club thinks he is then it could be a silver lining to this dark cloud.

  • 192 Offkey // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    Ruddy – Are you confused? In a civil way I asked you not to insult people, you declined and started an argument……
    I only made those comments due to your ‘thinly veiled insults’ comment above, no other reason. It is you who cant help yourself.

    P.S PPB defended you in attacking others, therefore I see him as worthless also

  • 193 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    Offkey….I think most people have their own opinions, they will some of the time or in some cases, a lot of the time be similar. Some posters will enjoy the banter of others, this does not mean they have their nose up another ones backside.

    I think you were out of line. That’s my opinion on it. Ruddy is being far more mature than I, so I’ll leave you two to chat in a civil manner, that would make a nice change. Apologies, shouldn’t have interfered…have a good evening, I will try to do the same :)

  • 194 Super Magpie // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    Tbh I don’t think we’ll finish top 4.
    Top 7 should be the aim, anything above would be fantastic.

    If we strengthen in January Then we could push on and get Europe again but it’s going to be hard, and a lot harder than it was last season.

    Also we must not play 4-4-2. :)

  • 195 Offkey // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:34 PM

    Ibiza – Your clearly a fool if you think I am the one who started this. Read above.

  • 196 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    Super…Can’t have you being the only one discussing football ;)

    Not much use, but agree your post, realistic targets imo.

    For the millionth time, goodbye (group actually ready to go now).

  • 197 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:36 PM

    Damn it….Offkey, we can discuss this later. I will take a look and apologise if I am mistaken.

  • 198 Super Magpie // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:36 PM

    Off key

    Well…you did. :lol:

    And it was totally irrelevant to the blog, so you can’t really defend yourself.

  • 199 Offkey // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:38 PM

    Supermagpie – you are wrong……… above and previous threads and you may understand.

  • 200 Offkey // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:42 PM

    Ibiza – I dont want apologies if you think I a right…..maybe just act a little less hastily.

  • 201 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:49 PM

    Wow, delusional. Well I am going to politely disagree with you entirely and simply choose to refrain from commenting on anything you ever say again because you clearly live in your own little world where you have right on your side all the time. Contrary to popular belief I actually sometimes admit when I am wrong, a trait you have yet to master.

    So please just bugger off from commenting on what I have to say and if you don’t like what I have to say simply engage your fingers and scroll right past it.

    Now can we talk about football because you have seriously side stepped the actual conversation that was ongoing.

  • 202 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:54 PM

    Super Magpie

    Well I hope that top 4 is the aim for us this season, if we fail to achieve it I don’t think it will be by much as I am not convinced by the other teams gunning for it, we’re as good as them. By them I am referring to Arsenal, Spurs and we are better than Liverpool and Everton so top 7 should be comfortable, I’d be very disappointed with anything less.

  • 203 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:55 PM

    Why do people get so worked up.

    Everyone is entitle to their opinion and have different standards of what they expect in a player.

    How I see the fringe players and some regulars.

    Jonas – he is very ineffective on the wing. He doesn’t get forward enough and offer enough quality in the final third.

    Perch – good enough to act as cover, he is in essence our John o’shea when he was cover at man utd. Don’t want him playing every week but good enough as short term back up.

    Willo – very poor with he ball and gives it away too much going long. He is a capable back up player but would prefer another defender in front of him

    That’s how I see these players.

    My concern is not the players. I like pardew, think he is brilliant but I would like him to be a little more attacking. We have a team capable enough of attacking most teams in the league and dominating games.

    We need to let our attacking players of the leash and use them to the best of their abilities.

    If we insist on playing 442 we need our wingers to be ones that stick to the touch line and whip balls into the box for our players or cut it back.

    If we don’t have that we need a 433 formation of sorts.

    What do people think?

  • 204 Offkey // Sep 6, 2012 at 7:57 PM

    Ruddy – Fine by me, just dont mention my posts or insult people and I will happily refrain from commenting on anything you write.

    I would happily live in my own world if the other was populated by people like you and your ‘defenders’, as you simply dont understand how to speak to people. As I stated previously, you are either oblivious to your failings or are a WUM of the highest order.

    Grow up.

  • 205 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 8:02 PM


    Yeah I agree with those assessments of the back up players, as it stands where would rate our current CBs in terms of their standing in the squad i.e 1st- Colo 2nd- Saylor….who do you regard as the 3rd/4th/5th choice CBs at the squad?

    Also, with the players we have we cannot play an attacking 4-4-2, some teams can play a dominant 4-4-2 if they have capable wingers, or wingers who are nothing but that, but strictly speaking we don’t have many true wingers at the club, HBA isn’t a winger he’s an attacking mid, Marv doesn’t stick to the line either so is he a winger? In my mind he doesn’t seem like one.

    Also think that with the players we have a 4-5-1 is a more suitable formation, it’s easily switched into a 4-3-3 if we wish to push on up the park too.

  • 206 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 8:03 PM


    I think we are definitely in the mix with arsenal and spurs but would add everton tot hat group as well.

    I think we have the best keeper out of them. Possibly equal with spurs.

    I think our strikers are better than all those teams.

    I think our centre midfield is as good if not better in tiote, cabaye and Anita.

    I think we are the only one with a Ben arfa style player although Dembele, pienaar and oxlaide chamberlain can all beat their man too.

    I think we are weaker in full back. Than arsenal and spurs but even with everton.

    I think our wide men (not counting Ben arfa) aren’t quite good enough. Want to see more of Shane ferguson on the left if we stick with 442. He whips a good ball in and has pace and a decent shot.

    Our first choice cb’s are as good and I think only spurs and arsenal have a better third choice cb than us.

    It will be close as I think we are evenly matched teams.

  • 207 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    People of Sheldonopolis, this is your mayor; follow me! If the children can’t run, leave them behind! … Oh, the simulated horror!

  • 208 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 8:06 PM


    I go colo, Saylor, perch, Williamson

    I think ferguson would be good as a left winger and wouldn’t be against Jonas being tried on the right if he had more license to attack and not hold. I think obertan could do a job on the right but his crossing isn’t up to scratch so wouldn’t go for him currently, he needs to work hard on his delivery.

    I think 433, 451, 4231 etc etc is the way to go with our squad.

    Get HBA, cabaye and marvoux up the pitch.

  • 209 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 8:08 PM


    Tend to find myself agreeing with you more and more, want to join my band of followers? :P

    With all that in mind I think we have a realistic chance of really pushing the top 4 but ultimately think we will finish slightly outside the top 4 but definitely not outside the top 7

  • 210 Super Magpie // Sep 6, 2012 at 8:10 PM


    I see arsenal getting 4th quite easily because of the fact wenger knows what to do to get it.

    Spurs have a good team, but AVB has tried to overhaul the squad too soon, and failing. Leaving unwanted and unhappy players who will not want to play under him. And he doesn’t look like a motivating this of person.

    Everton have a very good team, but a small squad. They don’t have European football though so could challenge.

    I honestly see Liverpool fishing in the bottom half this year. It won’t be what they want buy they need to rebuild and let rodgers input the style

  • 211 Super Magpie // Sep 6, 2012 at 8:11 PM


    I see arsenal getting 4th quite easily because of the fact wenger knows what to do to get it.

    Spurs have a good team, but AVB has tried to overhaul the squad too soon, and failing. Leaving unwanted and unhappy players who will not want to play under him. And he doesn’t look like a motivating this of person.

    Everton have a very good team, but a small squad. They don’t have European football though so could challenge.

    I honestly see Liverpool finishing in the bottom half this year. It won’t be what they want buy they need to rebuild and let rodgers input the style he wants them to play. It will pay off for them in the long term.

  • 212 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 8:12 PM


    Yeh, top 7 possibly 4th but unlikely.


    I think you’re right about arsenal, but then again the thing that save them last year were some good goals by van persie. He didn’t score just tap ins, must have easily had 10 that were individual volleys or long range efforts. Do thy have somebody who can get them 10 special goals.

  • 213 Super Magpie // Sep 6, 2012 at 8:12 PM


    I see arsenal getting 4th quite easily because of the fact wenger knows what to do to get it.

    Spurs have a good team, but AVB has tried to overhaul the squad too soon, and failing. Leaving unwanted and unhappy players who will not want to play under him. And he doesn’t look like a motivating this of person.

    Everton have a very good team, but a small squad. They don’t have European football though so could challenge.

    I honestly see Liverpool finishing in the bottom half this year. It won’t be what they want buy they need to rebuild and let rodgers input the style he wants them to play. It will pay off for them in the long term.

  • 214 catchy in norway // Sep 6, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    last season was a fluke, which will be proved this year,

    i guess my reason for thinking we will not do it again or better it, is pardew, its simple, he is a nice guy, but he is not a good manager,

  • 215 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 8:13 PM

    Super Magpie

    I think we have the capabilities of finishing above Spurs this season, they are very vulnerable at the back, Kaboul is out for 4 months, Gallas is ancient, King has retired, which only leaves Vertonghen and Caulker as the other CBs. So we are vastly superior to them in that department.

    They do have a pretty good midfield but up front they are pretty light, as are we, but I think we have a better manager and spirit. Whether we can finish above Arsenal remains to be seen but to me Arsenal are the only team between us and top 4.

  • 216 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 6, 2012 at 8:16 PM


    I cannot agree with you, he is double Manager of the Year. He has got the best out of players who didn’t cut it beforehand or those with suspect attitudes so he clearly is doing something right.

    Like I said, perhaps it is your perception that needs to be questioned, and not the team and certainly not the manager

  • 217 catchy in norway // Sep 6, 2012 at 8:17 PM

    Transfer Sage /

    thats my point, i said it last year and he has started to do it again, our best attcking plyers are playing to deep to have any impact, move them 20 yards up the pitch and they shine

  • 218 Super Magpie // Sep 6, 2012 at 8:17 PM

    Sorry about the triple post, I’m on my mobile and it kept saying the comment failed to publish.

    Also buy*-but,this*-type

  • 219 Transfer Sage // Sep 6, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    Ruddy and catchy

    I think you are both right to some extent.

    I wouldn’t say last year was a fluke but we won games with hard work, not as teams around us did by blowing sides away.

    We never got more than 3 goals in a game which is a worry as you usually get the odd 4/5 goal result in your favour.

    I think pardew is a good manager but overly defensive. I think we aren’t taking full advantage of our attacking options and worry too much about winning 1-0 and not 3-0.

    As soon as we get ahead we almost immediately drop off and invite pressure on ourselves. I think this tactic will come from pardew and not be a natural reaction of our players.

    I found our best results came away as we hit hard on the counter attack like west brom but at home we didn’t look too troubled but didn’t often threaten enough.

    If pardew attacked more and backed the players as I think he should we would see a massive improvement. Just like those 6 games we went 433 and dominated end of last year.

  • 220 Super Magpie // Sep 6, 2012 at 8:29 PM


    Very true
    We forget spurs also have Europa league football and in a tougher group too. They have Dawson too but is unwanted so won’t play much.

    They have two good strikers in Adebayor and Defoe, but are on the pushing 30 and Defoe’s pace will start to fade.

    Like I said 5-7 is the most realistic, but we could get 4th IF we strengthen in January. I Don’t think this squad can cope with 50+ games and finish 4th

  • 221 marshy // Sep 6, 2012 at 9:56 PM

    our problem last season was our defence,we had the worst goal difference in the top 9-10 clubs,with or lack of incoming defenders I can see no improvement on that score.

  • 222 cockneymagpie90 // Sep 7, 2012 at 2:30 AM

    Personally i think the problem lies in attack and our formation is horrible. Play only one of Cisse and Ba and hsve another creative midfielder on the pitch such as marvo, obertan or amalfitano and we have got our selves a fight for the 4th spot.

    If pardew sticks to his 442 pile of sh1t we will most deffinately finish no higher than 6th, il put a guess on it and say 8th. I hope he doesnt probe me right with that one and change his formation to 4231, 433, 451.

    I mean come on, Ben Arfa on the right side of the 442? he basically goes where he wants!!!!

    I have a feeling that the 442 is probably his prefferred formation as a manager but its not for our team and Pardew needs to change it up or expect a poor season.

    Come on Pardew do the right thing for the team!!!!

  • 223 cockneymagpie90 // Sep 7, 2012 at 2:31 AM

    Personally i think the problem lies in attack and our formation is horrible. Play only one of Cisse and Ba and hsve another creative midfielder on the pitch such as marvo, obertan or amalfitano and we have got our selves a fight for the 4th spot.

    If pardew sticks to his 442 pile of ……… we will most deffinately finish no higher than 6th, il put a guess on it and say 8th. I hope he doesnt prove me right with that one and change his formation to 4231, 433, 451.

    I mean come on, Ben Arfa on the right side of the 442? he basically goes where he wants!!!!

    I have a feeling that the 442 is probably his prefferred formation as a manager but its not for our team and Pardew needs to change it up or expect a poor season.

    Come on Pardew do the right thing for the team!!!!

  • 224 Phil K // Sep 7, 2012 at 9:28 AM

    Not getting Debuchy didn’t help re:Cabaye.
    He’s certainly one of the “2 or 3″ mainly due to Arsenal wanting him, but on the cheap. Ashley won’t let a player go on the cheap. Take some assurance from that. Thing is, NONE of the so-called “big” clubs (ie those who are spending large amounts, which DOESN’T include Liverpool now, I may add) are willing to pay big bucks to another English club. They want to unsettle, then get on cheap.
    THAT is why we’ve still got a full complement.
    Incoming: The likes of Douglas priced themselves out of a move. Not just him, apparently. A LOT of foreign players expected obscene wage offers and didn’t get them, and pouted and stayed where they were.

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