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Some Good News On Newcastle’s Injury Front

1:07 pm, Monday, September 10th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 135 Comments

It’s been easy for us all to get enmeshed in Newcastle’s injuries this season with Ryan Taylor, Danny Simpson, Cheick Tiote, Fab Coloccini and now Tim Krul all injured in the first three weeks of the season.

We need Shola Ameobi back banging in the goals

But there’s some good news on the injury front too, with the two Ameobi bothers, Shane Ferguson and possibly Cheick Tiote all being fit for the game next Monday at Everton, and reports that James Perch is recovering nicely from his neck injury - so we could have as many as five players back for selection for the Everton game.

We know that Danny Simpson and Ryan Taylor will not make that game, and it could even be that Ryan is out for the season with his ACL injury, but Newcastle have not yet put any time estimate on his recovery yet.

One lad’s that’s really glad to be back in training is Sammy Ameobi, who has this to say in the Evening Chronicle today:

“This is an unprecedented opportunity for us younger players.” “With the players we’ve got now, they’re top young players that are coming through.” “I appreciate the fact the manager has put his faith in us since he took over and now it is up to us to start repaying him.”

“We have games to come where we will get chances that previously wouldn’t have come our way – and I can’t wait.” “The Ameobi family hasn’t been a great place to be!” “Luckily I’m back now and I don’t think Shola is very far away from being ready either so it will be great to have us both back.”

“It has been frustrating but I can see the end of it now.”

Ameobi has now fully recovered from the knee injury he picked up in early January, which put an end to his season, after he had looked so good for Newcastle during the first half of last term.

We also need Shola to come on and make an impact and score some goals, as we cannot rely on Papiss Cisse and Demba Ba to do everything up front this season either, and we still haven’t seen the two Senegal strikers combine well in a 4-4-2 formation.

Why we didn’t bring in another striker in the summer we have no idea, but given that we didn’t, why doesn’t Alan Pardew give 17 year-old Adam Campbell a chance – he’s looking great in the new Newcastle U21 side, and was simply unbelievable when he came on at Cardiff City in early August.

What do you think?

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135 responses so far ↓

  • 1 ppb // Sep 10, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    good news. smmy and shola. 2 forwards to bring on

  • 2 NUFC_LEAZES END // Sep 10, 2012 at 1:26 PM

    This blog has been so dead since deadline day

  • 3 wynsleap // Sep 10, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    Shows how bad things are this season when we are supposed to get all excited about the possible return of an untried youngster and his ‘past the sell by date’ brother’.

  • 4 check the toastie // Sep 10, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    In Pardew’s words, Krul was worth 10 to 15 points for us last season, in my calculations that makes a top 8 spot a serious struggle, we may have peaked last season,

    A serious opportunity lost. Greedy Bastords.

  • 5 BeeGuy // Sep 10, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    Oh, yeah, good news, NUFC to field a team with the average age of about 19 against the well disciplined and experienced Toffees. Boy, I’m looking forward to that!

  • 6 alkinou // Sep 10, 2012 at 1:50 PM

    A little compilation of Cisse’s goals for us in this long international break …. A lot of them are really really good !

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Niwx1MBhNJ8

    Ps: most of you probably don’t care but come on Belgium !!!!!!!!

  • 7 bollance // Sep 10, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    Why have most written off the season before it has bearly began? Thi season will be exciting and I believe for the right reasons. We are in an extra cup competition which gives us another opportunity for silverware.

    Pardew has said he will take a few risks which means playing a weakend team in Europe for the group stages. If we get through, spurs didn’t last season, then we have another chance to win a cup.

    This season has the potential to be the best season for a long long time and even eclipse last season. Of course, we have not won anything for 40 years so we cant expect it but Chelsea won champ league for example

  • 8 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    Come on guys….players coming back from injury IS good news.

    What’s age got to do with anything? If you want to call inexperience I can always go find a list of experienced, older but ultimately useless players if you want?

    Everton are a hard team to beat at Goodison, no matter who the opposition. The team will need to play exactly as that…a team. Some of the top boys are going to have to raise their game a bit and hopefully Benny can produce some more magic, it wont be easy, but this game is far from decided.

  • 9 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Sep 10, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    @ 5 :

    I think a lot of us have a lot more faith in the Youth team players than you do!
    Its worrying that Krul may be out, but it is,nt a major disaster that Pardew may be forced to use some of the untried players from the youth team who are almost ready to break through to the first team anyway.

    All of them will jump at the chance to prove themselves if given the chance, and will give their all on the day!
    Don,t write them off so easily!

  • 10 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    Bollance……I’m not sure if they do it just so they can say “I told you so” or whether it’s just to manage their expectations and therefore not be disappointed if it does all go wrong. Seems like a sad way to approach it, but each to their own I guess.

  • 11 jimmymagpie // Sep 10, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    Well, I have some good news. I have just been talking to my physio mate on the phone, and he tells me that they’re very hopeful that Tiote will be fit for Everton! No news on Krul yet – expected in this afternoon, but he did say that although he didn’t want to commit himself on Colo until they see him, that the documentation faxed through from the Argentinians didn’t bode well. Sammy was training this morning, but no sign of Shola yet!

  • 12 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Sep 10, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    Well said Ibiza @ 8 !

  • 13 south coast toon // Sep 10, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    we came 5th last season, any of us would have took top 10 at the start of last season{thats the sane ones of us}we acheived that with out alot of the players we have this season,we have a stronger squad,it still needs 5 or six quality players added to it,lets just get behind the team and the kids coming in, we havent got taylor out for the season or cisse or tiote or cabeye or kruel or collociny or perch or ba, jonas ,santon, things could be alot worse and pards will know that and be banging on about cover,lets hope we dont get any real bad injuries,and keep playing our youngsters and fringe players as often as pos top 8 is a result for us this season as long as sholas fit for sunderland, lets hope its afamily trait scoring against them

  • 14 ppb // Sep 10, 2012 at 2:37 PM

    its been dead since deadline day because the wums have reduced in number. its gotten quieter since because the whining whinging idiots have gone

  • 15 AmericanGeordie // Sep 10, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    Given that Newcastle’s best formations consist of wide or withdrawn strikers, I don’t regret the lack of a striker signing this summer as much as I regret the lack of reinforcements on the back line. (We have 3 traditional “target” men in Ba, Cisse & Shola.)

    Though we list them all as midfielders HBA, Obertan, Marveaux & Sammy can all play wide up-front in the 4-3-3. Plus, Vuckic and Ben Arfa may both serve us best as withdrawn strikers.

    In fact, it is time we stop thinking of Bennie as a midfield wing, and give him the freedom to roam as the deadly, creative #10 that he is.

  • 16 Tsunki // Sep 10, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    Ppb – although I’m still hanging about. :)

  • 17 bills-son // Sep 10, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    How many teams have got four Premier quality strikers? Why are we ‘thin’ with just Ba, Cisse and Shola? The Mackems paid £15M for Fletcher – the only striker they’ve got. Thats what I call thin – we are obese by comparison.

  • 18 toonincheek // Sep 10, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    Bennie had his worst game, as far as I can remember (OK, my memory may not be spot on) against Brighton last year in the cup.
    He wasn’t up against a technically strong fullback, just one who was strong physically and let him little space.

    Based on that, a roving No. 10 role would suit his strengths and make him more difficult to mark.

    But – we would have to make sure out RB had adequate cover.

    Any two from Chiek, Anita and Bigi as CM would do that, with Cabaye further up.

  • 19 Foxworth // Sep 10, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    In case anyone cares, here’s a list of all the current unattached players that we will no doubt not sign any of;

    http://www.footballtransferleague.co.uk/football_club.aspx?football_club=Unattached

    We could get Cherno Samba – the legend from Champ Man 01/02 – on a free!

  • 20 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    NewExPat…Cheers buddy.

    Bills…..But just look at Man City!!! :)

    Tsunki…King of the WUM’s? You don’t seem to spend as much time on here as you used to, what’s happened? Don’t tell me you’ve got better things to do?

    ppb…Careful, that almost reads as an invitation to return ;)

  • 21 beefman13 // Sep 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    raheem stirling gets a full england call up after 2 games with liverpool, quite amazing!

    Our hot prospect adam campbell for me has more about him and scores goals for fun as well!

    really hope little arnie as i call him gets a chance. The little terrminator!!!!

  • 22 magpiebop // Sep 10, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    I think Shola used to be a confidence player but changed after relegation. When Martin and Owen fled the nest it left a gap which Ameobi stepped into. From this point on Shola took it on his shoulders to be the main man. He had a great start to the season before injury even hitting a hat-trick in this period. Since then Shola has always played wii confidence in my eyes and makes things happen!
    Shola is always going to be injury prone because of all the times he delayed ops to play for us when not fit. I think some on here should appreciate his quality and commitment to the cause a bit more before calling the great
    SHOLA THE MAKEM SLAYER.

  • 23 beefman13 // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    check ,its all about business at the toon as you know and we are doing very canny, i dont think the people running the club are doing a bad job at all, we have just improved year on year when many said we would not.

    maybe a couple of extra player would have strengthened us, but we have cover in my opinion that wont let us down even with these injuries.

    I reckon only raylor will be the only one out for any decent length of time.

    we have players chomping at the bit to get a chance and that is what you want.

  • 24 shanghai fan // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:10 PM

    With all these defensive injuries, all I can say is “We’re gonna score one more than you…. ENGLAND!” I mean Newcastle!

  • 25 Super Magpie // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    As its stands we have 10 players injured, yes 10!
    Even if we did spend this summer I don’t think any team could cope with that.

    Although it looks like Sammy, Ferguson and perch will defo be back for Everton.
    Possibly Tiote, Krul and Shola too. So atleast some are only minor.

    I really can’t believe the bad luck that we have with injuries. We always seem to have more than most teams every season.

    Still… I’m going to write off us getting anything at Everton. Without Krul, Tiote and Colo we will really struggle defensively and As much as I respect Harper. I don’t fell safe with him or Elliot in Goal, especially with our Best CB and Midfielder injured.

    Especially If we play 4-4-2. :D

  • 26 Super Magpie // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    http://www.fptp.co.uk/qcsindex/introducing-the-quantifiable-club-size-index-qcsindex/#.UE4ELhB5mK3

    Apparently we’re the 3rd biggest club in England. :D

  • 27 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:21 PM

    Super…Well, if we’re going to play 4-4-2 we may as well just take the day off , we simply can’t win with a 4-4-2…EVER! ;)

  • 28 Pushy Pardew // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:39 PM

    Beefman
    Your right to take a positive viewon injuries. The Ameobi brothers are doing their bit. If players don’t make it we have top young players coming through who will be available like Fergi and Tav Also Tiote sounds promising along with Perch. Players raise their game to justify selection.

  • 29 Super Magpie // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    Ibiza

    We actually can’t win with 4-4-2 …
    Still, we’ll be 1/2-0 down at HT and only until it’s too late do we switch to 4-5-1/4-3-3.

    It confuses me to why we ‘ve lined up 4-4-2 in every match and then when we fall behind or struggle (as always), Pardew changes to 4-3-3/4-5-1 and we play better.

    We have players injured but this would be my line assuming Krul and Tiote are Fit.

    —————Krul——————-
    Perch Saylor Williamson Santon
    ————Tiote—Anita ———–
    HBA ——-Cabaye——Marveaux
    ——————-Ba———————

  • 30 check the toastie // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:42 PM

    Krul being injured is a nightmare, Harper now goes down in stages and is stuck to his line and Elliot has never saved a shot from inside 16 yards in his career, hope Cisse Benny and Ba get their shooting boots as we are in deep shit regards clean sheets.

    Hope they have Saylor currently wrapped up in 30 tonnes of cotton wool, if he gets injured then we are seriously weakened.

  • 31 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:45 PM

    Super….Whilst I definitely prefer your formation to the 4-4-2 we seem to normally start with, you can’t say “we can’t win with 4-4-2″.

    For me, we need to control the midfield, Pardew has also said this on many occasions. It takes the pressure off the defense and gives us a better integration with the attacking players, so not so many lost balls (in theory).

    Hopefully we’ll see more of it than not or an explanation as to why we start 4-4-2, but then slip in to an alternative set-up as I can’t figure it out other than to accommodate Ba and Cisse both in a central role, which surely can’t be the one and only reason, can it?

  • 32 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:47 PM

    Check…At this rate you’ll be praying for Simmo to return a.s.a.p

  • 33 check the toastie // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:50 PM

    Ibiza – rest assured the whole squad could be struck down with Ebola and i wouldnt want Simmo back.

    Super – totally agree, i posed the question after the spurs game, how many games this year will Pardoo swap formation during the game, so far it is not looking good, 3 out of 3.

  • 34 ppb // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:50 PM

    Christ its quiet.
    redeem sterling England call up? oh what a surprise another Liverpool player.

  • 35 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    Check…..I’m hoping the majority of that comment was tongue in cheek, surely you don’t really believe having no players is better than having Simpson on the pitch?

  • 36 Novocastrian66 // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    Shola’s back. Yeeha we’re saved. Monday night cannot come slowly enough.

  • 37 Pushy Pardew // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    bills-son
    I do hope Campbell comes through this season . We need another different type like him to provide options,
    hes quick and sees a pass which will provide balance for either Cisse/Ba. Young players can impress but until they get a chance at a higher level you can never be really sure that their the real deal. As for goalkeeper cover we have Alnwick who looks a great prospect. What sort of message does it send to him if as soon as Tim or Steve are injured we talk of getting a goaly in.

  • 38 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:54 PM

    ppb….Bjork comes to mind – shhhh, shhhh :)

    Sterling looks a good lad to be fair, doubt he’ll get to play, just some cover in case.

  • 39 check the toastie // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:54 PM

    super – would play below team against the merseyside mackems.

    Krul
    Jonas Saylor Perch Santon
    Tiote Anita
    Cabaye Ben10 Marveuax
    Cisse

    Think Jonas needs to be converted into a full back, he really isnt a winger anymore and by his own admission has never really played Centre Mid, he hasnt got the range of passing and speed of thought for a PL centre midfielder for me, cant fault his commitment and graft however.

  • 40 Super Magpie // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:55 PM

    Ibiza
    Exactly, Pardew totally contradicts himself by saying we need control the midfield. If he wants to do that, play 4-5-1. We have one of the best midfields in the league.

    As a team we should play to our strengths which is our midfield.
    Accommodating Ba and Cisse should not be a problem, we have European games and would both play as much as each other.

    I suppose we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. We as fans can say what we think ( although a lot don’t have a clue :) ), but have no control over what happens.

  • 41 Dannyo // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:55 PM

    So, are we still going on about how we’re gonna struggle finish in the top half of the table?

  • 42 check the toastie // Sep 10, 2012 at 4:57 PM

    Ibiza – not sure, during sunday morning footy once when i was playing and managing the side, we did name somebody on the bench even though we only had eleven, that was pretty funny.

    Actually think we may play better with ten men:)

  • 43 Pushy Pardew // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    check the toastie
    Coaches can’t always get it right until they know how opposition are to play. It made sense when Bigi came on
    to switch from 4-4-2. When Tiote is fit 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 is the answer. Simpson is a good squad player.

  • 44 transfer sage 2 // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    if pardew want attacking football play this
    …………..krul……………..
    ….santon..collo…taylor
    ..cabaye……tiote…….jonas..
    ……………marvuex……………………
    .ba…………cisse………..ben10
    and with that formation we could swap to 433 come on pardew ano most of you would disagree but that looks like are best side

  • 45 Pushy Pardew // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    When it comes to a change in formation Pardew goes to Guti. Hes really seen by me as a CM as well as a full back. He will start against Everton but in which position?

  • 46 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    Transfer Sage 2

    I don’t mean to have a go but that’s a terrible formation. HBA LW and Ba RW? Santon in CB as part of a 3 man defence? Marv in a No 10 role?

    I appreciate the premise of playing more attacking football but I would sooner play 4-4-2 then ever see us playing that formation.

  • 47 Pushy Pardew // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    check the toastie
    Sunday morning football. Phoning around seeing who was home, sober or just not.too drunk. A great leveller.

  • 48 Super Magpie // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    Check

    Cabaye RW?
    I don’t see Jonas as a full back or a winger. As good at defending he is.
    I see him as more of Defensive Midfielder. So maybe we could line up with this so we can save Williamson for Europe.

    —————Krul——————
    Anita—Saylor— Perch –Santon
    ————Tiote—Jonas———–
    HBA ——-Cabaye——Marveaux
    ——————-Ba———————

    That is assuming Krul and Tiote are fit.
    We NEED Krul to be fit, or our chances are very slim.

  • 49 Pushy Pardew // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    Transfer Sage 2
    Are you related to Transfer Sage?

  • 50 transfer sage 2 // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous
    yeah my bad about ben arfa lw and ba rw switch that around and have u seen santon for the u21 hes great and marvuex has great vision and passing

  • 51 Pushy Pardew // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    Cabaye was lost on the right when Bigi came on. Problem is that HBA and Cabaye both like the central
    midfield slot behind Cisse/Ba.

  • 52 Pushy Pardew // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    Rudy
    How are you ? I have to go soon so just as well your on board.

  • 53 Pushy Pardew // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    Rudy
    Keep up the positivity?

  • 54 ppb // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    @pushy its all rather positive atm

  • 55 check the toastie // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    Pushy – sunday morning footy used to be good standard, it is totally shit now, now 39 yearsold and would walk into every team in the town, it is pathetic, loads of fat lads who would sooner do bit of MMA on the pitch rather than play.

    Might play over 40’s in a couple of years, but that standard is shit as well, probably just stick to having a mid life crisis and continuing with Triathlon.

    Super – Cabaye wouldnt be right wing as such, Jonas and Santon offer the width everybody else keeps the ball and slips balls into Cisse, Tiote and Anita cover when the Full Backs are bombing on, Simple really, dont know why Pardoo hasnt embraced it.

  • 56 ppb // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    @ctt slips balls into cisse? scary for him lol

  • 57 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    and now I’m behind the pace….sorry If I missed anything

  • 58 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:52 PM

    Oh yeah, that’s right. Ibiza’s back, so let’s all stop chatting. Very mature guys :)

  • 59 jawballsaswallwell // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    I have a real soft spot for Shola, like many other bloggers and also have enjoyed Sammy and Fergies occasional cameos in the first team. I particularly want to see Sammy do well, but collectively those guys would have a transfer value of under 10 mill whereas Colo, Timmy and Tiote would be worth around 60 and for good reason. I’m afraid I don’t take great comfort from the article. but hey, it’s still the Mighty Toon, so bring it on!

  • 60 Super Magpie // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    Quick, everyone change threads while isn’t looking. :D

    Ibiza
    Repost from before regarding 4-4-2:

    Ibiza
    Exactly, Pardew totally contradicts himself by saying we need control the midfield. If he wants to do that, play 4-5-1. We have one of the best midfields in the league.

    As a team we should play to our strengths which is our midfield.
    Accommodating Ba and Cisse should not be a problem, we have European games and would both play as much as each other.

    I suppose we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. We as fans can say what we think ( although a lot don’t have a clue :) ), but have no control over what happens.

  • 61 ppb // Sep 10, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    ibiza go away so we can chat freely without your wild positivity

  • 62 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:07 PM

    ppb….I’ll respond to you first as you require the most energy….p*ss off! :)

    Super….I personally agree 100%. It would seem best to me (from my armchair holding a ps3 controller), that 5 in the midfield and rotating Ba and Cisse is the best way forward. My only hopes are that we’re not persevering with the 4-4-2 to keep Ba happy or that if that is the case, Pardew notices it’s not working and has a chat with him pretty soon. They have enough games this season if it’s planned out properly. I’d rather have one of them every game than both in some…but that’s me.

  • 63 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:14 PM

    So, those posts were just some false hope? Get me interested again and then drop me from a height?

  • 64 beefman13 // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:19 PM

    Lads lets not be to harsh on rob elliot, he pulled off a string of real top drawer saves the first time i saw him v liverpool reserves last season, and everytime i have seen him since he has been very solid.

  • 65 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:20 PM

    beefman…Tbh, I’ve only seen him a couple of times and he didn’t seem too convincing. But I shall take the word of someone who has seen him on more occasions than me :)

    Who would you prefer, Elliot or Harper?

  • 66 Super Magpie // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:20 PM

    Ibiza
    It seems the most logical thing to do.

    Also it’s been awhile since kets was last seen posting on here, did we all drive him off by not taking him seriously? :)

  • 67 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    Super…Well, he promised not to post again until we were active in the market….although I have seen some occasional posts from him since. I think I may have been inclined to drive someone off for taking him seriously. ;)

  • 68 jawballsaswallwell // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    I once had a season coaching a pretty good group of 16 year old lads and it was one of the most disheartening experiences because I tried to play an innovative attacking set up I felt would suit the players we had. The players really couldn’t begin to get their heads around the new shape and just kept wanting to naturally revert back to what they new, 442, and needless to say we had a long hard season with myself something of the villain of the piece in the eyes of a number of parents and players. My point is, that it’s not easy playing around with shape and formation and very often unsuccessful when you do. I suppose finding the right shape to suit your players is key particularly at this level, but I doubt there’s any silver bullet formation and I’d assume they are working really hard on their shape on the training ground, just not seeing it work so well on game day as yet.

  • 69 Super Magpie // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    Ibiza
    Was that not Beattie?

    Taking Kets seriously!?!?!?!?!? :lol:
    Bless his soul… :)

  • 70 Tsunki // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:30 PM

    I am but a shadow, a suggestion of a dream, a fleeting spectral figure momentarily caught in the periphery of vision. No I don’t get on here these days much, Ibiza. Reality makes such demands!

    Yeah what happened to Ketsy? Do you think the realisation that Scharner definitely wasn’t coming made him pack his bags? Whats happened to Beattie? did he actually go into exile because of transfer inactivity as he said? Do I ask too many questions? Film at 11.

  • 71 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:32 PM

    jawballsaswallwell….So it’s not as simple as just telling them? I think a lot of people underestimate what is involved in management, well, I don’t just think it, I know they do.

    Super….Beattie as well. Seems a lot of people found it hard to cope with the window.

    As for taking Kets seriously, even if his content improved, after the association with Zed from police academy it was game over for me :)

  • 72 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:33 PM

    Tsunki….A shadow whose presence I feel is always lurking :)

    Beattie seems to have gone, well, at least as Beattie anyway.

    What film?

  • 73 beefman13 // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:34 PM

    Ibiza, my view is harper is on the way out but has been very good for us, but i would pick rob elliot i would give him as much playing time as possible,
    i have faith in our scouting system ,and from what i have seen from him, i cannot understand the negativity.

  • 74 Ian Toon // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:36 PM

    Ibiza- Good to return to find your discussing formations. I feel we need to be fair to Pardew whom I firmly believe wants to play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 before posters comment on subtle difference . He just has not had the personnel fit or fully fit to play it so he resorts to the tired 4-4-2. It’s a moot point whether it’s merely to accommodate Ba. Tiote is essential and I had Anita in the 2 but that was in the expectation that Debuchy signed- Simpson can’t operate in this system. But given the players we do have then I favour Anita and Santon bombing forward with Tiote and Jonas in the 2. It requires much more movement than we’ve seen to date. In the 3 I would have HBA, Cabaye and Marve and a rejuvenated Cisse up front.

  • 75 Super Magpie // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    Jawball

    They’re 16year old teenagers.
    We’re talking about Premier League Footballers. We actually play better when we play 4-5-1/4-3-3 anyway.

    But that story shows everything that’s wrong with the way Football is being taught to Kids. No wonder we can’t win anything.

  • 76 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    Beefman…..I suppose on the basis that Elliot will be with us longer than Harper will now, it makes sense to give him more playing time. He doesn’t seem to be making the first team bench anymore, whereas last season then seemed to alternate. Not sure if there is anything in that, or if it’s a case of us putting two and two together.

    Most people don’t catch the reserves games and as I said, from his few first team games I’ve seen, he looked a little shaky….that’s why he needs game time I suppose

  • 77 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:40 PM

    Super…Is it fair to assume you blame jawball for the state of the UK’s youth system? :)

    Ian…..Yes, formations. It’s not like we haven’t beaten it to death in the past :) Did Simmo not feature when we played the 4-3-3 or variation last season? Is it his lack of ability getting forward that makes him not suited? I agree on your midfield and attacking line. Seems the best option we have…..and it isn’t exactly shabby either ;)

  • 78 Ian Toon // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    Beefman- Haven’t seen him for sometime and he was in the settling in stage so unfair to comment. Harper’s best days are clearly behind him but he could still do a job. I agree with your point that far to many people form a view on players without seeing them or not seeing them very often. When you consider how often Carr looks at a player before recommending them it’s farcical.

  • 79 Super Magpie // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:43 PM

    Ibiza

    On the subject of Elliot.
    It’s the reserve league tbf. There is little pressure on him so maybe that’s why he looks better.

    Obviously he rarely gets a game for the first team, so when he does. He will be nervous and make mistakes. He dosent strike confidence into me when I’ve saw him play. But he could totally prove me wrong if given the chance.

  • 80 jawballsaswallwell // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:45 PM

    Ibiza, yeah I was extremely naive regarding how difficult it would be to get these kids to take on board a new way of playing, obviously lots of drills and mini games. I just wonder how tough it is to get pros to adopt a different shape, still pretty tough I’d say, take Liverpool under Rodgers, as an example – doesn’t happen overnight.

  • 81 BelfastMagpie // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:45 PM

    I blame Ibiza toon for everything.

  • 82 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:46 PM

    Super….I suppose we all said the same thing about Perch and I haven’t seen one poster that still feels the same way about him now. So once again I am happy to accept the coaching staff know a bit more than I….but only the tiniest ickle little bit, of course :)

  • 83 beefman13 // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:46 PM

    Ibiza thats the trouble with fans in general they wont give any time for players to settle, if they dont see what they want asap then they are a parcel, its not just toon fans of course that do it.

    some of the worlds greatest players took time to settle in to the premiership, it took henry, bergkamp, nasri .ages to settle for the gooners yet they turned out as good as owt in the prem.

    young tavernier got took to task for a bad first half in the europa league v atrimitos, but he will come on leaps and bounds for us in my opinion, and can play anywhere along the back four. he can be very valuable to our squad this season, a real good player in the making.

  • 84 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:48 PM

    Belfast….Does that imply that I am responsible for everything?

    jawball…..If people are used to doing something a certain way it can always be tricky to adapt….especially when the pressure is on

  • 85 Super Magpie // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:49 PM

    Ibiza

    Total opposite. If he tried to get them playing decent football then I blame the previous coaches before for playing the foresaken 4-4-2. :)
    I commend him for trying something different.

    But it was the way Everyone was told to play. The FA are meant to be changing the whole thing anyway so hopefully in 20 years time we’ll be the new Spain. :D

  • 86 Ian Toon // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:49 PM

    Ibiza- yes formations. It’s always a good alternative to doom and gloom alternatives-LOL. I don’t like to criticise our players( but I am going to) but Simpson is scary being pushed forward on an overlap
    he doesn’t time his runs and often gets stranded up field. His one bick asset is pace but Tav is quicker I would say. Tav could play the role
    given time – when I’ve watched him he’s been a clean tackler and doesn’t give away many free kicks . He’s not far away just needs to work on his defensive cover. Fergi also given a run of games and being fit could play in the system. Guess I am criticising Simpson-LOL.

  • 87 Tsunki // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    Getting on players backs from the off has become more fashionable of late and I put it down to heightened expectation. Obertan is a prime example.

    Harps is evidently working hard to claim no2 spot these days but I would still feel less like wearing those rubber kecks if he was between the sticks on monday night rather than Elliot. I have no doubt the lad is capable, but he really hasnt been tested properly in a string of full-blooded prem competitive matches has he? Yes I was one of those ‘I told you so’ regarding the Krul injury but only because I pointed out the obvious flaw in the plan of having only one fit recognised prem quality keeper on the books.

  • 88 beefman13 // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    Ian , fergie and tav are really highly thought of at the toon, again no hesitation from me if they were put in the team at any time, fergie is a class act as i have mentioned before hasnt put a foot wrong for us at any time (no tempting fate)

  • 89 jawballsaswallwell // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    My story was less about the kids and my obviously suspect coaching ability and more about the problems of shape at any level.

    The shape i wanted to play was really just about a lot of free movement but also the importance of keeping shape.

    I think theres a lot more more to it than Pardew saying were playing 433 today lads, go to it

  • 90 Ian Toon // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:54 PM

    Ibiza- Agree with you on Perch but not playing CM alongside Tiote.

  • 91 Ian Toon // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    Beefman- Good to see that Fergi is getting some game time for country. Hope he comes through unscathed to put himself in contention for Everton.

  • 92 Tsunki // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    Ian Toon – with you on simmo’s runs but you forgot to add the lack of any perceivable end product. Its not just the woeful attempts at crosses, but when he ends up in the last third he doesn’t know how to make one-touch or cutting run passes. However, I will say that I like simmo as a FB, when he stays a FB.

  • 93 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:58 PM

    Ian…..Then we can no longer be friends. We had a good run :) – I have high hopes for Tav and wont get carried away like a lot of people by his Europa display. He’s a young lad and needs time to get comfortable….fergie too.

    Super…..Oh come on, let’s blame someone on the blog….far too civilised this evening. It’s good to see the FA making the right noises, let’s hope they get it right. Living in Spain you see lots of kids playing football and their ball control is insane when compared to kids back home. It’s no wonder why Spain wipe the floor with every other country. Not saying they’re perfect, as there is no such thing in football. No perfect tactics and no perfect players. I’m a big believer in the underdog and that hard work can produce wonders….but we could always make it a little easier on ourselves.

    Beefman…Well fans are going to have to get used to it. We’re putting an emphasis on youth now, so people need to expect to give youth a chance. They will make mistake, sometimes costly ones, but they will improve and it will only benefit us long term.

  • 94 Ian Toon // Sep 10, 2012 at 6:59 PM

    Tsunki- how do you ever get experience of playing Premiership football?

  • 95 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    Do you guys not know how this works? I post, then you post and so on. There will be no other conversations or people jumping in. FFS, I’m the blog police now do as I say or….ermmm…..well……just don’t do it!

    Disclaimer – Joking ;)

    Disclaimer for my disclaimer – A little

  • 96 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:02 PM

    *Raises Hand* I know, I know, I know….Ian, Ian, Ian, pick me, pleeeaaasseee

  • 97 Tsunki // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:03 PM

    Again on Tav’s display against Atromitos, I know I dubbed them ‘Atrocious’ but in all seriousness they weren’t a terrible side and definitely a step up from sides Tav had faced before. It will be games like this that will accelerate his progress.

    Likewise with Fergie, playing at international level against almost any opposition is a real step up for the lad and should give us a good idea of what he is really made of. I expect him to do well, and we will very soon have choices at FB positions with these two. Looking at the bigger picture, maybe this is how the coaching staff at NUFC saw this season panning out?

  • 98 Tsunki // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:05 PM

    Ian Toon – the same way Krul did, possibly. He put in a great display in a euro tie years ago then…..waited. Are you saying we should throw Elliot in on Monday ahead of Harps to give him experience? Harps aint no zimmer-frame candidate just yet.

  • 99 Tsunki // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:06 PM

    Ibiza -SIT DOWN BOY!

  • 100 beefman13 // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    Ibiza, thing is the youth at our club is well rated, bigi, fergie, sammy, vuci, tavernier, campbell, good, a young lad who is a monster in training paul dummett, has went out on loan for now but has a ankle problem but 100 per cent commited and tackles as tough as anyone at the club.

    seen and watched them all since they came ibiza, i may seem overly positive but believe me if i wasnt sure of a player i would say so.

  • 101 Ian Toon // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    Tsunki- I wouldn’t disagree with your fundamental point. When it comes to full back play Simpson is the past and Santon very much the
    all encompassing future in a 4-2-3-1 system.

  • 102 Ian Toon // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:10 PM

    Tsunki- The point is your saying you wouldn’t be comfortable him playing in the Premiership. Cometh the hour.

  • 103 Tsunki // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:14 PM

    Ian Toon – I agree on that. Santon still has some edges to polish but Simmo’s time is diminishing. I hope the fans appreciate though what a good servant he has been, and that none of the ‘championship quality’ stuff rings out when he does go. I am also in favour of a dedicated solo striker with a formidable and interchangeable attacking midfield but as someone has pointed out, much as in the case of Ba and Cisse up top, Cabaye and HBA seem to favour the same areas. Maybe I am being paranoid?

  • 104 Ian Toon // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:14 PM

    Tsunki- I am happy for Pardew to make the right decision. This would be based on his knowledge day to day. Alnwick looked good at Berwick but might be too soon

  • 105 Tsunki // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:17 PM

    Ian – on Elliot, in time I would hope he was a good enough understudy to make Krul look over his shoulder, but was he bought with that eventuality in mind? Maybe he will play regularly in the prem, but I would have to say I would have liked him playing in more Euro matches and cup games before chucking him straight into first team. Having said that if we have no choice…..

  • 106 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:17 PM

    Tsunki…..Can I join the class again now? I’m bored on the naughty step

  • 107 Super Magpie // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:19 PM

    Ibiza

    It’s your fault everyone’s getting along. Now F off. :)

  • 108 Ian Toon // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    Beefman- Abeid is he going out on loan. Read somewhere today that he might go to a German club. When you watch Bigi you can see he’s
    battle hardened from playing a full season at Coventry. Have to say I thought Abeid would be a regular sub by now.

  • 109 Super Magpie // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:22 PM

    Ibiza

    It’s your fault everyone’s getting along, it’s time this ended and Normal service is resumed. So F%ck off. :)

  • 110 Super Magpie // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:26 PM

    That’s strange, The blogs playing tricks on me again by saying I haven’t posted making me do it again. Also it changed F%ck into an F.
    :oops: :oops: :oops:

  • 111 leavemyarselona // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    Ian toon i wouldnt want him to go to a german club he needs english soil experience best of in the championship on loan be better i think

  • 112 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:30 PM

    I gave myself another 10 minutes as I was still feeling a little naughty. However I am now ready to come back and behave.

    *Pulls Super Magpies Hair*

    So, what now?

  • 113 Ian Toon // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    Tsunki- the chances are that if Krul isn’t fit then Harper as the current custodian in Europa will play.

  • 114 jesperfuglsang // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    “You might be wrong cause you know I’m right
    If you lose your way you just follow mine
    I better leave, I better leave
    I better not” ;)

    …so how are we doing this afternoon? alrighty then ;)

  • 115 jesperfuglsang // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:37 PM

    Ibiza…are you naughty again? ;)

  • 116 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:38 PM

    Listening now Jesper….Sorry, bit late with my homework

  • 117 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Jesper….Do you need to ask? So, Blue Van….which album would you recommend? I had Dear Prudence…not sure where it ended up tbh

  • 118 Ian Toon // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    Ibiza- you really are the conductor of the orchestra . Poetry in motion .
    Ed is getting good value for the commission he’s paying you. Pity we
    can’t clone you for when your not around. Enough of this drivel.

  • 119 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    Was independence one of their songs of that album?

  • 120 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:44 PM

    Ian….I assure you it’s not appreciated by a fair few…as has been voiced time to time :) But I’m pleased I’m not just a total nuisance for everyone.

    Jesper…..*off that album – Yes, I’m hanging my head in shame

  • 121 jesperfuglsang // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:44 PM

    Ibiza…for you I would recommend “Man up” ;) I don’t know why that it..lol

  • 122 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:47 PM

    Jesper….I’ll try and not read between the lines there :)

  • 123 jesperfuglsang // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:47 PM

    I think you might enjoy Love Shop (2010) as well

    Man Up (2008) was their commercial breakthrough :)

  • 124 jesperfuglsang // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    I really enjoy their new single “Would You Change Your Life? so I am really looking forward to their new album :)

    …it’s like Christmas all over again! lol

  • 125 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:51 PM

    Cheers Jesper.

    I am going to eat, but will no doubt catch you all shortly…..late night at my computer is in store and I will no doubt we looking for a break…

    Hmmm…..Does the fact I come on here for a break say a lot about my real life? I think I need to re-evaluate a thing or two.

    Adios amigos

  • 126 jesperfuglsang // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:52 PM

    Dear Independence was their second album from 2006 I think ( You just mixed it up with The Beatles Dear Prudence ;))

  • 127 only the crest i trust // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:52 PM

    Ibiza toon i dont mean to be hasty but get some mates get a sociable hobby other than cyber world infact get a life

  • 128 jesperfuglsang // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:52 PM

    The Art of Rolling was their debut album from 2005

  • 129 jesperfuglsang // Sep 10, 2012 at 7:54 PM

    To be continued…

  • 130 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 10, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    Jesper….Ah yes, I am indeed mixing up bands.

    Only the crest I trust….I thank you for your concern. I do in fact have a life, one which I quite enjoy. My work keeps me by a computer for long periods of time and I choose to keep an eye on the blog, I hope this isn’t a big problem for you. Once again, thanks for the concern.

  • 131 jesperfuglsang // Sep 10, 2012 at 8:53 PM

    And I am Back :)

  • 132 jesperfuglsang // Sep 10, 2012 at 10:14 PM

    Ibiza..I most admit I don’t know much about The Black Keys :)

    They did play in Copenhagen a month ago, a friend of mine went to the concert and said it was really great :)

    From what I have heard, I do like their blues and rock’n’roll sound. They do sometimes remind me of the White Stripes (and it is not just the name ;)) lol

  • 133 cockneymagpie90 // Sep 11, 2012 at 1:43 AM

    Rotate Ba and Cisse and the problem we have is resolved, its not bloody rocket science!!!!!

  • 134 one Tony Green // Sep 11, 2012 at 7:50 AM

    Ed Can we have a survey done on how many of the so called Newcastle fans on this site actually follow Newcastle home and away.

    Sick and tired of people on the site talking about Toon like experts when they don’t even follow the team.

  • 135 numba9 // Sep 11, 2012 at 8:03 AM

    Cisse and Benny to start for me




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