News today that both Senegal strikers Demba Ba and Papiss Cisse did not make the trip today to the island of Madeira, for the Europa League game tomorrow night against Maritimo.
Adam Campbell - young striker is on the plane to Portugal today
But 17 year-old Adam Campbell is on the plane, and he could see himself pick up another senior appearance for the club tomorrow night.
Adam scored one of Newcastle’s goals in yesterday 2-2 draw with Sunderland, and 20 year-old Brad Inman got the other goal, and that’s five goals the Australian has scored for the Newcastle U21 side this season.
Other players on the plane today include veteran goalkeeper Steve Harper, Shola Ameobi, Mehdi Abeid, Shane Ferguson, Sammy Ameobi and Steven Taylor.
Sammy tweeted it’s the best plan he’s ever been on (how many has he been on?), and Adam Campbell tweeted last night he scored one, but should have had three goals for Newcastle against Sunderland yesterday.
Shola is almost certain to start up front for Newcastle tomorrow night, after recovering from his hamstring strain, and setting up Demba Ba’s dramatic last ditch equalizer at Goodison Park on Monday night.
It would also be good to see Mehdi Abeid get a chance tomorrow night, and he’s hardly figured in the 18 man first team squads this season at all, and needs an opportunity to show what he can do in a Newcastle shirt.
We’ll take a guess at the side for tomorrow night later today or early tomorrow morning – what do you think it will be?
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1 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 11:56 AM
Abeid played righ back last night for anyone interested
2 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:00 PM
S’land played a strong team last night,
Vaughan – Welsh int.
Saha – former french
Ji – Korean u21 if not full
Wickham – u21 int.
Kilgalon – former u21 int.
But we still picked up a 2-2 draw.
I would have liked Inman to have gone. He has 5 goals this season from right wing. I would suggest he has a future at the club because non stikers who can score regularly are very valuble to any team.
3 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:00 PM
Harper
Tav Saylor Willo Fergie
Obertan Bigi Gosling Marveaux
Shola Sammy
?
4 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM
Ed- If only everyone had your Joie de Vivre. These are indeed exciting times for all Toon fans it’s just that far too many haven’t yet realised it yet.
Bollance- and Fergie was left back and Gosling an emergency CB when Richardson was injured. Inman was the pick for me.
5 Krul to be Kind // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:06 PM
repost from previous thread:
I have said before that i’m very happy and positive with the signings made, people don’t really want to acknowledge the fact that we made 3 substantial signings that are fundamental to the growth and sustainability of the squad in Amal, Good and Bigi, with the wealth of talent we have coming through big purchases would hinder their development and path to the first team, there is already uproar in the thought of Abied going on loan but he is possibly the next one to break though but IMO he is being held back due to the impact Bigi has made in such a short space of time, this kid will be immense and dare i say it, is a ready made replacement for Tiote when he goes to the ACON (with any luck it’s not the 2 Dembas). If anything Monday night at Everton taught us that a few players have progressed even further from last season, most notably Perch with his new found confidence he looked very assured on the ball when just 2 seasons ago he looked like a pub team player! That is all and thanks for listening… TTBAWA
6 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:07 PM
Ian Toon
Did you go?
7 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:10 PM
Ian Toon
Yes it would appear we are short on numbers at the back for the u21 team.
We have Street and Kitchen out injured and it would appear the u18s are not up to standard yet.
Look out for Kitchen, seen him play. Still developing physically but defends well like Saylor. Everyone talks about Streete but this guy has potential too.
8 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:12 PM
Cisse is ill again for a Euro game..
He is a bit sick of the Europa
9 jesperfuglsang // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Does anybody know how Maritimo plays; both style and level?
I just saw our team rooster for the trip and wonder since it is a bit lightweight in my opinion…
So have the rumors started since neither Ba nor Cisse made the final cut?
10 jesperfuglsang // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:17 PM
* sorry team roster (there is no rooster allowed in here says Ed
) lol
11 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:21 PM
jesper
The fact they have only an 5k capacity stadium and they average around 3-4k per game.
What is that, about a league 2 number?
But they came 5th in the portugues league, not bad with teams like, Porto, Benfica, Sporting and Braga. So they are the best lesser known team.
I still feel we will have too much for them as ou defense will be strong and we will have players like Marv, Shola (lots of experience in Europe) and even Fergie or Sami may shine on this stage.
12 jawballsaswallwell // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:22 PM
Newcastle is a big club with a massive and passionate fan base, any idea that we just make hay while the sun shines is underselling the club. We are not punching above our weight, we have a side we deserve and that has not always been the case and there is potentially much more to come and the management of the club is surely not above a little healthy criticism along the way.
13 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:23 PM
jawballsaswallwell… here, here!
14 TorqToon // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:30 PM
Would like to see a Shola/Campbell front pairing !!!
15 Grafton83 // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Even with the youngsters we should be smashing this 3-0 easily, they’re virtual unknowns on an island in the middle of nowhere.
Even if they did finish 5th in the Portuguese league I still think that only translates to mid table championship at best.
I would start sami, campbell and vukic if it were up to me. I would rather put a plant pot on the pitch than have marveux unless he has miraculously had a change of form since his last game.
16 cupiddstunt // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Bollance @ # 24 of previous thread
If the whispers about shitty being interested in Collo were to happen I can see an already mean defence becoming a lot meaner.
17 Grafton83 // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:40 PM
@TorqToon, thats a classic target man/fast striker combo. I think it’d work well with Sholas expirence. Hope we see it
18 cyprus // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:45 PM
Where’s the real Marveaux? See video below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4626D84_xTI
Hope his long term injury hasn’t taking that out of him, he really was out of it at Everton.
19 cupiddstunt // Sep 19, 2012 at 12:53 PM
Grafton83 @ # 15
I do like your parallel with Maritimo and “they’re virtual unknowns on an island in the middle of nowhere.
Even if they did finish 5th in the Portuguese league I still think that only translates to mid table championship at best.”
There is a team that is made up of players that came from almost unheard of clubs and as youngsters a huge number of them were so poor that they did not even have the money for boots and such, but they persevered and worked their way up to playing for their local clubs they now play for BRASIL.
I think what I am trying to say is, to write them off so simply is something I really hope the club DOES NOT DO.
20 Grafton83 // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:02 PM
@Cupidstunt
Don’t get me wrong that would not be in my team talk if I were manager. They need to take the fixture seriously ofcourse. I’m just pointing out they are rubbish on paper. I think they’ll be worse than Atrimitos and even Obertan looked good against them.
21 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:03 PM
Girl, you thought he was a man, but he was a muffin.
22 cupiddstunt // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Grafton83 @ # 20
I understand where you are coming from but it is the simplest mistake to make in underestimating an opponent, Atrimitos were not greatest but they did have one good break against us and the ball was in the net and we came away with a draw.
I may well be so far off the point that I am in another post code but I think they will have a little more technical ability about them I think the Portuguese play along the lines of the Spanish so we may have a harder game than you anticipate.
Although I will be more than happy if your categorising proves correct.
23 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:21 PM
Cupid
It would make sense city being interested in colo. they don’t care about buying for future and colo was in team of the season in the prem.
They bought maicon. Not sure he is a top top full back. Ok, he is Brazilian pedigree but from what I have seen of him for city I am not sure yet.
Anyway we kept colo. good move as he is a top class defender and we need him so the team succeeds again this season
24 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:21 PM
Not waving but drowning.
25 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:22 PM
Back! Bloomin’ ibiza internet.
Really looking forward to the game tomorrow.
As for someone’s comment early about the “pep talk” (let’s get in to EL, then play the B team and not care if we lose)….Bit silly, don’t you think?
From what I understand the money for being in the EL is next to nothing. So Ashley was never going to fund the additional players to compete in this competition. PL has to be out priority, unless you’re saying 100% you think we’ll win the EL tournament (there is an outside chance, but we know how these things go, even with a full strength team)…it’s too much of a risk.
Build slowly, keep out top 6 status (which get’s us Europe again), attracting more players and pushing to improve the overall squad and efficiently compete across the board.
This is my opinion only, but I do find some of your expectations to be completely unrealistic….and this is coming from an optimist.
So, anything new going down?
26 Hebburn Mag // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:28 PM
Im not saying that this story is untrue but didnt Campbell play last night at SJP for the reserves? Surely Pardew wouldnt fly him out to play tonight? 2 games in 2 days would be tough for any professional footballer never mind a young 17 year old. If he has gone with the squad I think its probably to show him where he could be playing if he keeps up his hard work.
27 rainrix // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:33 PM
Cyprus.. No one played well in the 1st half against everton in case you forgot.
28 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:33 PM
Bollance- I don’t think I’ve seen. Kitchen play. I remember a while ago the chronicle doing a piece on him. He was an academy player who got a serious injury but is on the comeback trail. I’ll look out for him. What do you think of Good so far?
29 Grafton83 // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:34 PM
Ibiza I think you mean keep our top 6 status but your comment reads as if we should keep out of top 6.
If we do finish in any kind of Euro qualifying position I will be over the moon. I don’t see the point in being an optimist or a pessimist when it comes to predicting our final finishing position so I’ll just call it as I see it: 7th-8th.
30 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:35 PM
Hebburn, It’s tomorrow and I would imagine he’ll start on the bench, but give us an option of pace for the last 15-20 minutes. I would imagine an Ameobi double feature….oh yeah.
Isn’t Shola our most established and successful European striker on our books? Come on Mackem Slayer!
31 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:39 PM
Hebburn Mag- I posted earlier this morning to suggest that Cambell played for the reserves with a game in mind on Thursday. Depending on circumstances Campbell will play. He’s had two quiet games last Friday and yesterday for the reserves- he’ll be fine the adrenalin alone would get him through. LOL.
32 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:41 PM
Grafton…..
Yes – it should have read “keep OUR top 6 status”.
7th – 8th would be a reasonable expectation, I’m pretty confident that the aim is to qualify again, for me, if we didn’t it would be a backwards step to not…but these things do happen
33 toonLYF // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:43 PM
we’re being spoilt this week lads, Ameobi’s al’ owa’ the shop.
34 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:43 PM
Maritimo i am reliably informed drew with Sporting Lisbon on Sunday and created enough chances to have won comfortably. Good going forward. – we should not underestimate them particularly with a side that will not have played together very often.
35 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:47 PM
Ibiza- Good afternoon i hope your well. As the conductor of the orchestra you should be wielding yellow and red cards to friend and foe alike. Cash incentive( I’ll organise the wip round) for a thorough clean up – I’ll draw up the terms of reference.
36 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:48 PM
Ian…From my years as a Newcastle fan, it’s never good to underestimate a team – we can be suicidal
If we turn up, I am confident, but that for me is the issue.
LYF…”Ameobi to Ameobi. Ameobi plays it back to Ameobi and Ameobi shoots. Goal Ameobi with an assist from Ameobi”…Can’t wait!
37 numba9 // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:49 PM
Play the ameobi bros up top for the first 45 then bring young Adam on to smash them for pace with Benny behind pickin up pieces to create
38 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Ian….Doing very well thank you, as I hope you are too. If I am the conductor, I think I need firing. So out of tune it’s frightening
However, I look forward to receiving said terms of reference 
39 toonLYF // Sep 19, 2012 at 1:51 PM
i would like (and somewhat expect due to sammy not being 100% yet, and taking Norwich into consideration)…
———————Harper———————
Tavernier—Perch—Williamson—-Ferguson
Obertan—-Bigirimana—Abeid—–Marveaux
—————Shola—–Campbell————–
…only the goalkeeper is needed to start on Sunday, seems ideal, and strong enough seeing as this Maritimo seem about as good as a Championship team (and not a promotion candidate one either)
Shola and Campbell could be terrific too…and i’m expecting Obertan to make a huge difference in Europe for us, he seems hungry.
40 Hebburn Mag // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:01 PM
Sorry lads I meant tomorrow not tonight, this weeks going to way to slow!
Like I say though I cant see him playing but id love to see him get even 10-15 minutes at the end of the game. The way it looks like Pardew is playing it is that he going to put a fairly strong team out against the opposition in the away legs with the addition of a few youngsters but when we play the home legs hes going to go all out with a number of first team regulars. Either way aslong as we win I dont mind!
41 euanpolo // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:01 PM
Elliot
Tavernier – Williamson – Perch – Ferguson
Bigirimana – Gosling
Obertan – Vuckic – Marveaux
Sh. Ameobi
Subs: Harper, S.Taylor, Santon, Abeid, Amalfitano, Sa. Ameobi, Campbell
42 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:08 PM
Ian
Not seen good play but from what i know he has already captained the second 11, scored and seems to be a powerful centre half who can also fill in at left back.
The fact he has not travelled with the squad suggests he is not ready yet and is only 19 so there is time.
43 Bucks mag // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:11 PM
Elliott
Tav Willo Taylor Santon
Gosling Bigirimana
Obertan Vuckic Marveaux
The Big Sho
Not the team I’d necessarily like to see but that’s who I think he’ll go for. Going to the game tomorrow!!!
44 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:13 PM
toonLYF / Ibiza
We just need to bring back Tomi and we will have the full set.
Ameobi snr could be the manager although he may not get time off work (vicar) with most our games played on Sunday this season
45 Grafton83 // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:14 PM
I think i may need to revise my earlier comments of Maritimo being easy because they’re a bunch of unknowns on an island in the middle of nowhere.
Bet365 has them as evens for the win whilst its 2-1 for a draw or away win. That doesn’t fill me with any confidence. Not that they always get it right but they must have something about them. They haven’t lost all season either.
I will ponder these odds for a few hours before deciding to put all my money on campbell to score last and a toon win.
46 AmericanGeordie // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:16 PM
4-4-2
Harper
Tav – Perch – Willo – Fergie
Obertan – Bigirimana – Gosling – Marvo
Sammy – Shola
47 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:16 PM
Dont think Elliott will be trusted in goal. Harper brings a lot to the team so he will start, especially if Pards goes with Tav and or Fergie as FBs.
Personally think we will go with strong defense but i also realise any defensive injuries and we will be knacked for the second season in a row against Norwich (this time at home)!!!
48 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:18 PM
Grafton83
Does ‘all my money’ mean your life savings.. dont do it!
49 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:22 PM
Bollance….Good idea. The more of them the better.
Grafton….Never bet all your money on the toon….recipe for disaster
50 Grafton83 // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:27 PM
erm all my money means all my available betting money which is why I have an overdraft (investment fund I like to call it) which in many ways is my life savings as I’ve got nothing else.
Eventually I’ll be rich when my car becomes so old its considered a classic and begins increasing in value. It’s 12 years old now, I’m no financial consultant but with that plan I think I’ll be swimming in bling by the time I’m a pensioner.
51 Grafton83 // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:29 PM
Anyway I have complete faith in the Toon. They will make me rich eventually
52 jesperfuglsang // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:29 PM
Now this may be well out of context ’cause I have only read a few comments, but those red and yellow cards you are referring to are they for us? if so Ibiza, do you take bribe? B-) lol
53 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:29 PM
Grafton…I don’t see where you can go wrong. Is there any investment opportunities going? I’m hooked in
54 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:31 PM
Jesper…Of course not, I’m a man of honour.
On a separate matter completely, you owe me some money
55 toonLYF // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:35 PM
bollance – tomi is meant to be a poor player ain’t he…well, it’s the second name that counts in football. Have a footballers name and that’s half the job done. Look at Xisco, can’t play, but has a great footballers name, he ended up with a long term contract in the Premier League. What a WISE choice…
56 Grafton83 // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:36 PM
The investment opportunity I’m picking is Campbell to score last at 10-1 (£10) and a newcastle win at 2-1 (£15)
Total outlay £25
Garenteed winnings: about £150
57 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:43 PM
Grafton…It’s your use of the word guaranteed that has me convinced!
Right lads and lasses (if there are any out there)….I am off for a bit. Can’t sit at a bar by the sea all day…girls in bikinis are not constructive when trying to work….to the office I go
58 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:49 PM
toonLYF
Yes Tomi never made it at NUFC or Leeds for that matter and also i doubt that Ameobi snr is a good manager. Could you image tho Ameobi snr putting Sami and Shola upfront and benching Ba and Cisse. That would make Ba angry!
59 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:53 PM
Grafton83
i can a way that can save u £25. Dont place those bets.
It is not guaranteed Campbell will play any part and this will be a tough match which could even be a boring 0-0.
Save you money, u may need it in the future!
Sorry to be a kill joy but we are on the same team here!
60 toonincheek // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:55 PM
Grafton -
When your friends tell you that they bet the all money they owed you on the Toon, expecting to be able to give you back double what they borrowed . . .
do you believe them ?
61 toonLYF // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:56 PM
Tomi in place of Hatem…
62 Grafton83 // Sep 19, 2012 at 2:57 PM
Yes I do believe them and I thank them for their kind consideration.
63 Munster Mag // Sep 19, 2012 at 3:00 PM
From previous…..Ian, I honestly dont know what you’re talking about ? Myself and Ibiza have discussed this many times and respect each others opinion and can see validity in both. I think the Toon can have a decent season, but feel and felt we needed investment. Its not all doom here at all, although I admit to thinking we’d be hammered by Everton. Wassap man ? In fairness I said I wouldnt talk about my annoyance again so didnt mean to bring it up again, was only responding to what you ahd said. There are lots of reasons to be cheerful about NUFC right now , and i’m happy about that. Love the reserves, the scouting and the fact that we dont buy dross, although I’be never been convinced by either Gosling or Obertan. Hope to be proved wrong. Maritimo could be tricky. I played in a match on holiday in Portugal and even the locals have fine skills. It was the Brits and Paddies v the Locals. They won, although I moved on to the portuguese side at half time, clearly making a difference to the outcome!
Anyway, did anyone see my amazing sweeper system for Newcastle – deadly!!
64 Tsunki // Sep 19, 2012 at 3:05 PM
Well its late I know but I just caught the Emile Heskey headline and that’s a perfectly good pair of trousers ruined, thanks ED! Have we been relegated today yet?
65 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 3:05 PM
Grafton83
Alternatively look at shares.
NUFC related, Sports Direct shares have risen 25% in the past 6 months, i beleive due to a successful olympics and the fact the company makes a good profit.
Despite the shops looking a bit chaotic at times the business is run to make big money with staff incentivised to make money.
Hopefully, in fact we are starting to realise, that is how NUFC is being run.
Making profit is the new competition with new FFP coming in. Without profit teams can not strengthen their squads.
If you look at the Prem the top team is Man U. They have spent a fortune but only because they have made a lot too. They have bought the best players, yes.. even Paul Scholes was bought from Oldham i believe??
You are more likely to win with better players and that is why they win. Against us last season we were lucky to pick up a point because Man U had us on the rack for most of the game. That is how they win most of the time. When they dont they ususally outplay the opposition.
Anyway, we are trying to get a better sqaud on a bootleg which is working to date and even making a profit too.
66 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 3:08 PM
Munster
Can you remeber Frank Dumas, think he was playing sweeper during the Gullit era?
67 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 3:11 PM
Munster
Dont worry about investment. The deals were not right at the time. We did not sell anyone which would have meant we would need to sign a target and we have kept the powder dry for Jan.
All will be forgotten about once the team starts to find top gear which we know it can.
68 check the toastie // Sep 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM
Anybody who started the reserve team game last night will not start tommorrow, pretty clear that one,.
So there will be no Campbell, Abiedm Fergy, Sammy, and Gosling, there are some space cadets on here.
Team which makes perfect sense
Harper
Tav Willo Perch Santon
Obertoon Bigi Amalfitano Marveuax
Vuckic
Shola
Subs – Gosling, Abeid, Saylor, Sammi, Fergy, Anita, Elliot, Campbell is going for a treat, wont be on bench.
The hype and ridiculous picking of Campbell is embarrassing, the kid has a lot to do to oust people in possession of the shirt. Get real boys. Could maybe swap Perch for Tav not that bothered a pretty good team. Wish people would stop selecting teams that have no chance of happening.
69 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 3:41 PM
Check
Sound logic but..
Pards said that when Sami & fergi were injured the euro games were going to be their chance to impress.
Does anyone object to me betting grafton83′s £25 that at least one of the starters from last night starts tomorrow? If I had to name a player it would b gosling ahead of Amalfitano. Although I hope u r right and we see Amalfitano start.
70 jesperfuglsang // Sep 19, 2012 at 3:49 PM
Bollance…that’s the easiest £25 you will ever make
Harper in goal!
71 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Munster-LOL. I don’t know where to start . My point about when your right means the team suffers. You say your ceasing your criticism of players but mention Obertan and Gosling with the reminder of your long term misgivings. It’s hard to say at what point Gosling will have failed even if he is released on a free contract. The guy had a cruciate
which has finished many a players career. I watched him last night and he looked a lot fitter and has lost some weight. He is a trier. On Obertan the only thing he lacks is confidence which isn’t helped by fans wanting him to do play poorly so they can say I told you so.
On Ibiza being the conductor of the orchestra he has to adhere to political correctness. Don’t believe what their saying about you
and support the Toon warts and all. To hell with the Johnny come latleys. If your not watching the game don’t come on here for the crack because with all the Minnie moaners and throwing dummies out of prams even when we’re winning you’ll feel that we’re losing. Cheers mate.
72 check the toastie // Sep 19, 2012 at 4:20 PM
Jesper – Harper started Monday night not last night, you have just lost 25 quid.
73 jesperfuglsang // Sep 19, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Check…damnit
And I owe money to Ibiza as well apparently 
…jesper that’s what you get for adding quick remarks
lol
74 dave 1961 // Sep 19, 2012 at 5:05 PM
Ian Toon
i dont think any fan wants players to fail, if they did it would be wanting the club to fail, if so it would mean they are not fans. you also make a point about Obertan, i suggest you watch Obertans ball watching, he wanders about the pitch as if he was in a trance the game goes on around him at times and he seems to fail to pick opponents up and stand in free space when the opponents have the ball. i would take a stab and say obertans problems are a lack of concentration as when he wants he can up his game so suggests its not because he useless, but needs to focus on the game more.
75 dave 1961 // Sep 19, 2012 at 5:11 PM
Newcastle United have been allocated 1,470 tickets for their supporters for the forthcoming Europa League fixture in Brugge.
seems that ones up the spout too, so no more Brussels sprouts for dinner, wonder if i could get an embargo because they will not give us enough tickets, full story on nufc.com.
76 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 5:18 PM
Harper
Tav Saylor WIllo Santoon
Bigi Perch
Obertan Vuckic Marveaux
Shola
Fergie on for Santon or Marveaux and Sammy on for Vuckic or Marveaux in the second half?
- I think we will play both taylor and williamson at centre back to give us the best possible chance of not conceding and taking at least a point from the game.
- Don’t think many that played the reserve game will play, Campbell won’t be on the bench in my opinion
77 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 5:21 PM
Although with Perch expected to start RB for Sunday’s game, that would mean three games in a week for someone who has just come back to fitness. Maybe Gosling for Perch?
Predicting a 1-1.
78 toonLYF // Sep 19, 2012 at 5:23 PM
carryingcoals – Campbell WILL be on the bench, pretty much fact. He travelled today, and is the only natural ST in our team other than Shola.
This squad if anyone missed it…
Mehdi Abeid, Romain Amalfitano, Sammy Ameobi, Shola Ameobi, Vurnon Anita, Gael Bigirimana, Adam Campbell, Rob Elliot, Shane Ferguson, Dan Gosling, Steve Harper, Sylvain Marveaux, Gabriel Obertan, James Perch, Davide Santon, James Tavernier, Steven Taylor, Haris Vuckic, Mike Williamson
79 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 5:25 PM
toonlyf
I see what you mean, but there are only 7 places on the bench. You have listed 19 players. Who will be the one that travels but isn’t on the bench then? I assume it would be Campbell as he was the last to be called in to the squad.
80 Munster Mag // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:02 PM
Ian, if you are going to criticise what I say, at least be accurate. When I said i would stop giving out, i was referring to MA’s lack of spend. You probably have defended this constantly and no doubt asked for people to be patient, just like i was. We wasted a chance to build in the summer – end of. We will hopefully do so half way through the season. Re the players, I dont rate Gosling and Obertan has more potential but has done little. I would never boo a player on the pitch, but any fan has the right to voice an opinion o a player on this forum. I’ve supported the Toon, from Ireland, since the mid / late 70s and have travelled all over England to watch them when I lived there. Spare me the lecture until you can articulate your point properly. I’m still optimistic for the season but a repeat of last season may be a lot to ask without further strengthening the first team.
81 Munster Mag // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:04 PM
Bollance, yes I remember Dumas, briefly! Not as good as Frankie Pingel though
. Re Gosling – he has lost weight ? Big deal, the guy is a bloody athlete for goodness sake !
82 MagpiesFlyHigh // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:10 PM
Grafton
Madeira is a stunning place. It is in the middle of the Atlantic which is very big and deep and separates us from the Yanks so is definitely not ‘nowhere’.
Bollance
I think you’ll find the surge in share value is down to speculation that MA will take over Whelan’s outfit JJB Sports which is on the verge of receivership and closing shops faster than the unwashed will go down the table…
Anybody know how good Inman is ? What style of player is he ? Is he a true RW or more an IR and how come he’s scoring so many goals from the flanking positions. Is he good with both feet ?
Any body got any ideas on how long he might take to break into the 1st 11 ?
83 toonLYF // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:10 PM
Carryingcoals – also understood point, but they’re 10 players capable of playing comfortably in midfield on that list, i think one of them will miss out. Would like to think it was Gosling as i don’t want to see him in a Newcastle shirt again, but it’ll probably be either Abeid, Vuckic or Sammy. Sammy is still not 100% and played for the first time against Sunderland Reserves yesterday, i have a feeling he will be rested and was only brought over to integrate him back into the active squad, and also incase of Pre-Match injury/illness.
84 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:22 PM
toonlyf
Ok, I see what you mean. Good point. Sammy hasn’t been involved for a long while yeah.
I actually think Vuckic will start as he didn’t play for the reserves and he played well against Atromitos.
Gosling hasn’t performed for us at all. He was class at Everton and I was surprised we got him, I thought it was quite the coup actually. But since this injury he seems to have lost that dynamic edge about his play. I haven’t seen anything decent of him.
I still think Campbell will miss out and it will be more about bringing him in to this group of players. If not him then maybe Abeid then, as you say a lot of people can play in midfield. I guess we’ll see!
85 MagpiesFlyHigh // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:28 PM
Grafton
and Christiano Ronaldo is from Madeira too…
86 NUFC_LEAZES END // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:28 PM
I really wish we would start a team like this ina Europa game
Harper
Tavernier. Good. Willo. Raylor
Obertan. Abeid. Bigrimana ferguson
Sameobi Shola
87 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:34 PM
Dont want to sound bitter towards the increasingly clueless F.A but why the hell did they schedule us in for a monday night game when we have a european away fixture on a thursday night when every other team playing in europa played sat/sunday? Just seems stupid
88 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:41 PM
NUFC LEAZES
yeah not a bad squad like but good hasnt travelled and raylor is out for like 6 months, personally i’d like to see amalfitano have a good run in the competition he’s to old to have been bought in as a ‘development’ player so really should be getting some game time
89 bambams // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:43 PM
Has anyone got any knowledge in relation to What has happened to Marv ? He looked a very good player at the end of the season but does not look interested this season.
I know it’s early into the season and I am not slagging him off, just a bit disappointed with him I had high hopes for him to make an impact.
90 dave 1961 // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:44 PM
I was trying to get a weeks holiday in Madeira to coincide with the game but the wife claimed it was sold out but she did look up Madeira on Google earth and noticed how close the airport in to the Atlantic and i think that might of been why the holidays were sold out, at one end of the runway theirs only enough space to park a 767 between the end of runway and start of the ocean. Brussels is unlikely even with a 29,300 capacity. that leaves Bordeaux as the only chance to get too before the knockouts supposing we qualify.
91 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:44 PM
Munster @80- I have articulated the point of needing to buy into the project on countless occasions with you. I thought we had moved on.
The time horizons on transfer spending are yours. You doubtless
will recall Carr making the point on getting or not getting the players @last window. That’s not to say that players will not be signed at optimum time. I have likened us in the early stages of the Arsenal project and you can see definite comparisons on the youth development side. I have not supported the club for as long as you but I am well versed in the traditions and practices of the football club.
Forgive me for listening to my father and my late grandfather who believes(d) that the club is being run on professional grounds for the first time in their lifetimes. The relative success achieved under Joe Harvey,Kevin Keegan and Sir Bobby were achieved despite the lack of support in the Boardroom. Sorry that you feel I am lecturing you but I see the Ashley development programmwe as being a realistic attempt to develop the club on all fronts. Rome was not built in a day
and I don’t see that much difference between us it’s merely a timing issue. I apologise for not articulating the point initially. I have made a note to do better when next we exchange.
92 Jail for Ashley // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:44 PM
Munster,
I am not sure if Ian Toon is a thirteen year old girl,the name Ian would suggest not but his ramblings and welcoming other posters with the greeting hiya might say its a possibility.
93 bambams // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:47 PM
The French have announced they printed the photos of Kate Middleton because we sent them Joey Barton. . . They are calling it Tit for Tw@t . .
94 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:47 PM
Bambams
Tbf against everton he was played completly out of position and only played the first half and lets be honest no played well in the first half!
He’s looked decent in his sub appearences and in his europa games, personally i think he might be seen as bieng more of an impact player but who knows
95 bambams // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM
TADS
I agree he was on the wrong wing, I was maybe unfair . Just had high hopes and hoped he would be like a new signing. Hopefully he will gain confidence and kick on.
96 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:53 PM
My preview for tomorrow’s game
To each their own!
http://www.carryingcoals.com/?p=119
97 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:54 PM
dave1961- @74 I agree with your observations on Obertan but a lack of concentration could well be an anxiety issue. On joining the Toon his confidence was at rock bottom largely through Ferguson’s mismanagement of him. His star showings have been few I recall a goal he scored late on at Blackburn. I would hate for him to move onto say Swansea and become a star-LOL. Pardew is a good man manager let’s give him this season and Europa experience before taking a view.
98 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:55 PM
Bambams
Dont get me wrong i see where your coming from was really looking forward to seeing him and was left bitterly disappointed and can see your point that he looked disintrested we seem to be lacking that battling spirit so far this season until that second half against everton hopefully thats a turning point for us and our season will kick on now
99 solano // Sep 19, 2012 at 6:56 PM
Ian Toon @ 71 …Johnny Come Lateley’s? You are the new kid in town!
Take it easy. Dont hide those lying eyes….
100 dave 1961 // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:00 PM
had a really sh**y week we better have a good game tomorrow or i will be well annoyed.
101 Jail for Ashley // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:02 PM
Tads/bambams
I missed a lot of games toward the end of last season but was sure that the other night was only Marvs second premiership start for us the other being when he got injured agsinst Everton at home,maybe I’m biast brcsuse we got him free and injured but the jury is still out on him for me,dont know hiw prople csn rave on about him whrn we havent seen him do it for a full game.
102 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:03 PM
Bam@89 – he has missed a year out of the last 18 months of football . He was outstanding against Braga and Hartlepools. He was played out of position on the right in an alien role at a time when he is trying to establish a position in the team. He has a lot to offer not least an ability to cross the ball something we consistently lack. I would look to him to do well in the Europa. Let’s wait and see.
103 Transfer Sage // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:05 PM
Marvoux is an attacking winger who was asked to do a defensive job. He has barely played competitive football for he beat part of a year.
That’s the simple reason he wasnt great.
104 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:08 PM
JFA the turf warrior
Yeah hes only started twice in the PL and had a couple of sub appearences, been impressed by his sub appearences and his europa bow, which is why i see him as maybe an impact player, bit of pace for the last 20
But agree that i dont understand how people are dropping jonas from the squad for him based on a couple of sub appearences looks a promising player but has work to do to earn some starts like
105 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:11 PM
I agree with transfer sage ^
Ben Arfa isn’t great at tracking back, we knew Baines would maraud forward. Ben Arfa was moved to the other side against Hibbert who he could expose. The central role was a toss up behind Cisse and Ba, Pards went with Cisse. If you’re looking to get a goal you would go with Papiss to be fair. Cisse hasn’t played well yet this season and unless he can form a partnership and play with Ba then the two will be rotated.
Essentially Pardew gambled and it didn’t pay off, he ammended this at HT putting Demba on.
Marveaux has been out for a long time but is a promising player, let’s not get on his back like we do with Obertan and give the lad a chance!
Ba’s agent has said his bit but the press made a mountain out of a molehill. I wouldn’t be surprised if both Ba and Cisse score against Norwich if they both play.
106 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:12 PM
* between Cisse and Ba
- not ‘behind’
107 Transfer Sage // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:12 PM
Munster makes a good point.
Nobody wanted silly money spent. We probably all thought 12 million for de Jong and 13 for Carroll was more than expected.
What will have confused a lot of us is that players like michu, buttner and Kevin mirallas all were players in positions we needed and all went for a relatively small fee.
Maybe the club didn’t want them but they would have really improved the squad.
Also people might have accepted the youth policy better of the club ensured we got category 1 academy status like boro and sunderland.
108 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:14 PM
Also it’s crazy how the comments vary on this blog, some make excellent points and offer alternate perspectives which I’ve really noticed today. Others just spout absolute shite, ie about the way the clubs run, players we should have got, writing off our own players etc etc zzzzzz
109 Transfer Sage // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:15 PM
Tads
My only reason I have for dropping Jonas is tactics related.
I think the team is always set up too defensive despite what pardew said Monday night.
We look like the main aim is to keep it tight. Players like Jonas offer so much defensively but when he is the winger in a 442 it limits is going forward.
But I can’t knock him if they plan to use him defensively.
110 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:16 PM
Sage
Didnt we make the changes to the youth set up to late to make it in time to be graded catergory 1 and the club are making the changes and improvements required to ensure there catergory 1 for the next time there graded?
Thought i read a report on it a while back
111 solano // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:19 PM
Tads…that is correct. For the cynics, I must point out that this is the 3rd revamp/new approach to the academy since 2008!
112 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:22 PM
Sage
I understand the reasoning behind dropping jonas but my point was that realisticly, and keeping in mind he has missed 18 months of football, we cant really justify dropping one of our hardest working most underatted players who offers alot including what seems to be great leadership to the team especially with the likes of tiote and colo missing and is also our vice captain, dropping him because we assume that he will dramatically change the way we play, the coaching staff obviously aren’t confident enough yet and thats good enough for me
Im in no way saying marv is a bad player by the way!
113 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:24 PM
Solano
Thank god i couldnt find the article and was starting to think i dreamt it up!
Obviously the acadamy is improving but ut does seem to be overlooked that the academy is more or less being completly rebuilt
114 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:24 PM
Solano-hiya. The armchair critic extrodinaire.
When not doing a socialist rant on the evils of
capitalism.-lol
115 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:25 PM
Agreed, would be wrong to drop Jonas.
Although the problem remains as a left winger, playing in a side with the aspiration of breaking in to the top four (so we’re told), he isn’t penetrating enough.
116 solano // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:26 PM
Ian..you need a sense of humour.
117 solano // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:27 PM
To go with the mescaline in your oversized SD cup
118 NUFC_LEAZES END // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:30 PM
@TADS. #88
I forgot that raylor was injured :/ and yeah I agree about wat u said about amalfitano, he is over ‘developent age’, I would also like him to become a regular part of our squad in premier league sometime this season.
119 beefman13 // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:30 PM
We cant be to hard on marveaux, he isnt a defensive type player at all, our restraining tactics done nothing for him, lets give the lad a real chance playing at home, you will see a different player in my view,
Got to say though jonas is a square peg on a round hole, grafts of course but go me he should not ever play in midfield, he just looks lost to me and runs in circles, zorry in all that cos he is a 100 per centa, but we can get a betta balance with more fluidity if he was not in the starting eleven.
120 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:31 PM
Does anyone think Jonas could actually be used better in a position other than left wing?
What I was saying about his lack of penetration http://www.carryingcoals.com/?p=26
121 Jail for Ashley // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:33 PM
I would love to see Marv doing well not least because we stole him from under Lpools nose but like I said I can’t see the clamour for him as yet,hopefully he’ll start in his favoured position tomorrow night msybe plsy a full game then hopefully he’ll have a valid claim for a regulsr starting place.
122 NUFC_LEAZES END // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:33 PM
@TADS
Still haven’t seen good play yet, the reason why I put him in my squad above is because I would like to see him play, he must be alright because he captained the u21 side the other day. Can’t be bad like.
123 bambams // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:35 PM
TADS , Ian
cheers for those comments boys.
124 Transfer Sage // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:38 PM
Tads
Agree on marv. He has to earn his place not just be given it. Until he shows from the bench and the odd start he deserves to be a regular then it’s right to go with Jonas. Especially games like everton where his defensive duties are invaluable.
Tads and solano
Thanks for the academy update. Never saw about us improving it to get there. Any idea when we can be reassessed. Is it any time or yearly?
125 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:38 PM
@ carryingcoals
I love Jonas but I just don’t see anything significant he brings to the team that justifies him starting week in week out. There was a point when he was like a Greyhound up and down the line and could beat a couple of players with pace, now he just seems to draw allot of fouls and play more defensive than most other wingers in the league. Anyone else feel the same ?
126 solano // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:40 PM
Sage..every 2 years, I think!
127 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:41 PM
Beef- pardew goes to Jonas when he has a problem as per on Monday. When everyone fit I can see him on the bench. Looking forward to Fergi getting a start tomorrow at left Ba k. Saw the dress rehearsal v Mackems.
128 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:43 PM
Don’t get me wrong he is good defensively and is useful when the other team has a flying winger like Bale so he can help out the fullback, but against other opposition I would start Marveaux over him. I know he did play that well at Everton but that was only for half a game and up until that he has impressed me every time i have seen him and can do most things better than Guttierez other than defending. Tough decision for Pardew like
129 Transfer Sage // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:44 PM
Solano
Bit of a shame but hopefully won’t cause too much of a problem.
Ian
I like fergie but see him more like Gareth bale. Could play left back but offers a lot more as a winger. He is the type of winger you need if we play 442. Beats his man and puts a good ball in and most importantly sticks to the touch line
130 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:44 PM
didn’t rather
131 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:45 PM
Transfersage
Dont agree about dropping Jonas. Unsung hero for me. I remeber watching his home debut vs Valencia in a friendly which we either drew 1-1 or won 1-0. Jonas was class running box to box. Thought he would be the next prem star.. honest!
Saw him that night in what was called Sea night club, he was on his own but i bottled speaking to him. and yes i am still disappointed to this day.
Getting back on track,
1) captain on monday – brings int. class experience to the team
2) Always gives everything which is a lot most games.
3) doubles up with fullback so fortifies one side
4) we attack on the other flank – with HBA
5) the other flank (with HBA) has Tiote who slots in between Saylor and Simo when personel present.
6) Guti is a self proclaimed 7/10 every game man
7) he has complete trust of Pards
8) old compared to rest of squad but given 3 year extention – speaks volumes!!
9) stong but also a sack of potatoes when needed – tactically wins free kicks and relieves pressure.
132 beefman13 // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:45 PM
Hoping, adam campbell gets a decent run out 2moro night, like to see fergie involved as well, my two fav youngins at the toon.
Noticed we dont normally play our best football till we go behind!
Especially away its like we need a
kick up the backside every time.
133 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:46 PM
Ian
A few have been asking about Inman, what do you think of him? Do you agree he derserved to go to Portugal?
134 Transfer Sage // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:47 PM
Big pappa
Think Jonas will play most games.
Pardew is quite defensive in the team set up. People have to be disciplined.
Every time last year we got on a role and started opening up we managed to get a spanking not long after. Spurs and Wigan really caught us out.
Think this has made pards a little careful when giving players attacking instructions
135 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:47 PM
Big Pappa Cissé
I see what you mean, I really do. For a winger he needs to do more. But at the same time, what are our alternatives? He’s probably the best we’ve got.
But I’ve never known a winger to be so defensive. Marveaux should really be looking to oust him this season but at present he seems far from doing so.
We could play :
Tiote Cabaye Anita
HBA Cisse Ba
- that would leave jonas out. But then again apparently Ba wont play on the left and Anita hasnt looked great in CM yet!
Its difficult. I mean I personally would use him in the team but not as a winger. Could he play at LB meaning we could put Santon RB… I bet Santon and Ben ARfa could form a brilliant understanding on the right as SImpson doesnt click with HBA at all.
I remember when Nobby moved to right back and although by then he wasnt the quickest he was still effective. Now im not saying Jonas is as good a player as Solano was – he isnt – however hes played LB for Argentina and will always put a shift in for you.
At the end of the day we can all speculate and come up with solutions but Pardew seems to keep the shape quite similar and he’s unlikely to drastically change things.
136 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:49 PM
alternatively we use him as a centre mid. I dont know.
What I would say is it seemed we knew what our best 11 was last season fairly easily, now I’m not so sure. We are far from our best at present.
137 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:50 PM
NUFC LEAZES
Yeah would love to see good bought in for some europa games especialy as we seem short of CBs and cant have staylor n willo play every game like!
Beefman/big pappa
I get what your saying jonas isnt a LW anymore and i wouldnt try to argue that but he is learning a completly new role and in the last 12 months has been asked to play several positions for us whixh could turn out to be invaluable depending on fixture congestion/injuries he’s vice captain and is playing at the moment in a midfield tgat has struggled to hit form yet last season he showed some great performances for us in both CDM and in a free roam role the amount of ground he covers and the amount he can break play down is very important especially away from home
138 Transfer Sage // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:51 PM
Bollance
I never said to drop him all the time. Just think sometimes we don’t need his defensive nature and against lesser teams can have more attacking players on the pitch.
I think the biggest thing I have noticed this season is how much better we look when we have two attacking full backs in Anita and santon on the pitch.
Simmo and perch do a job but don’t get forward as mixh so invite pressure on themselves.
139 solano // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:52 PM
Sage…to be fair, what the FA deem to be category 1 or 2 is neither here nor there. What matters is getting quality in numbers through the system and integrating them into a successful senior squad – something that the club has failed to do for many years!
Having said that – the academy should be only one prong of a wide ranging approach to making NUFC compete at the very top. In my experiences, the clubs with the best academies have never really been top clubs.
140 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:52 PM
Hello again, got to love the hypocrisy on here at times.
That’s not a dig at a select few, just seems both camps (if we insist on having a divide of fans – negative and positive) both feel the need to comment on others and have digs. Where’s the line? When is it bullying and being a clique and when is just good old banter? Questioning in the search of a happy blog, of course.
I suppose I should mention something about football, as to keep up with the point of the blog.
What’s everyone’s views on introuducing cube balls for games (Not sure we could refer to them as balls anymore, so would we just use cube?)?
141 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:54 PM
Just to be clear I wouldn’t drop him.
Agree with a lot of what Bollance has just said.
He was in the shop I work at in town and I spoke to him after the Spurs game – top bloke.
142 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:55 PM
Bollance
Completly agree unsung hero of the toon first time i saw him was vs manure and i just thought wow!
143 Transfer Sage // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:57 PM
Solano
Don’t care what he FA think of us just it limits the area we can recruit from so hinders is in signing players.
And top clumps have top academies. Arsenal, man utd, Barcelona.
The other top clubs which don’t are Chelsea, Madrid and city.
They just have money and buy whatever they need.
Saying that no club can get to the top without a good academy and the scouting network and funds to buy in the positions your academy doesn’t fill
144 Sheikh MagToon // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:59 PM
Disaster about ridiculous ticket allocation for Brugge away.1,700 means that there will be 15,000 of us without tickets trying to watch game in bars around the city centre. Recipe for chaos!
145 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 7:59 PM
Solano…Good point there about the teams with the best renowned academies, they are hardly ever the “best” teams going. Arsenal are probably the current best and for now seem a good target for us to achieve. Although over time, I can see frustration building with fans and not winning anything, but being consecutively near the top isn’t a bad thing at all and from where we’ve been recently surely must be seen as progress.
A lot of the opinion surely has to come down to whether you think financial fair play rules will have a major effect on the big teams. If it doesn’t, then it’s clear money will need to be spent to break in to the exclusive club and not just sit on the outskirts. Only time will tell.
146 beefman13 // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:00 PM
Bollance, jonas is owt but an unsung hero, lets not label the kid like that.
We all know he is a grafter, i know he has won us more free kicks than any other player, but the game gets all the fluidity knocked out of it.
Its stop start, stop start, free kick or free kick the other way if he looses it.
He was bril when we were under the cosh on several occasions last season we all know that but for me at home especially we would roll teams over if we went straight for the jugular, and as much as we all luke him i personally would not make him an automatic first choice.
147 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:00 PM
alright then lads whats happening??
been working away last couple of weeks so havnt been on
whats peoples thoughts on demba ba’s aparent arrogance??
148 Transfer Sage // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:00 PM
1700 is a fair amount I tickets
It’s natural for clubs to give the lowest allocation to away fans if they can fill with home fans
149 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:01 PM
Ibiza
Save your politics for somewhere where peopke give a fcuk you potch munching diplomat!!
Only kidding buddy tough day by the pool? Oh yeah football should jonas be dropped?
150 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:03 PM
@ toonarmydownsouth
Yeah I remember him taking the p*ss out of Rooney that game
151 Transfer Sage // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:04 PM
Gateshead
I understand Ba’s frustration.
He is a centre forward and therefore wants to play there.
He could move to a team just below us and start there most games or move to a higher level team and play a bit less but Maybe win a trophy. (ie Chelsea as they only really have Torres)
Alcoa he might not care about money or trophies and just want to play every week as a centre forward.
Can’t blame somebody fr wanting to play every week in their desired position.
152 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:05 PM
Hyphen
Tbf arrogance is sometimes whats needed from a top PL striker!
Solano
Very true west ham have one of the best acadamys in the country
153 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:05 PM
Tranfersage
Fair point. When we play at home to Norwich we could gamble and go 3 up top. The difference between the lower teams and higher teams in my opinion is time in possession.
Norwich will make 3-4 passes and lose it which may mean we win back possesion in the middle 3rd of the pitch. This means we will be able to get the ball quicker to our front 3 who can all beat a man and make intelligent runs to set up chances.
The point is against a better team like Everton on Monday we won back possesion in the 3rd next to our goal which makes it harder for us to get the ball to our attackers.
We too have a limit as to how long we hold onto possession so it is important where we win it back and on monday night we were pinned back and as a result when we won the ball we hoofed it and most of the time to nobody.
We would therefore outgun teams like norwich
154 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:07 PM
i know what yous are saying and he should be frustrated but also know hes not going to play every game, might just be bad representation but the comments seemed a bit drastic saying as its only 5 or 6 games into the season and hes played about half of them
155 Transfer Sage // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:10 PM
Yeh spot on Bollance
We aren’t so good we can have one style all season.
We need to adapt against weaker and stronger teams to give ourselves the best chance of winning the match.
156 Jail for Ashley // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:10 PM
Ibiza,
You should read Martin Samuels article in the mail today,its all about having a go but remaining on side of the law.
157 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:11 PM
tads….Why can’t we all just get along? Come on…virtual group hug….I wont bite
Jonas being dropped? Of course there will be some games where he’ll need to be rested. I agree that at home and against perceived lesser opponents, we should perhaps be more attacking and utilise the players we do have at our disposal and try and destroy some teams….that has been somewhat missing of late.
158 solano // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:11 PM
Sage…I agree almost wholeheartedly…..Man U’s is debatable though, for the records show a none too great record in poaching other club’s youngsters then claiming them to be their own!
When I was a boy (cue Worther’s Original music) ….Ipswich and Southampton had a blatant and cynical policy of recruiting many, many youngsters from this region…some came good….many fell by the wayside…and it was felt that they were signed up on schoolboy forms just to prevent other clubs signing them, rather than any real interest in nurturing their talents.
At least with localised recruitment, we will have the chance to tap in to our God-given wealth of footballing talent…with only the germ carriers of Wearyside and the Worther’s Original Abusers of Teeside as competition!
159 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:11 PM
Ba just needs to relax. Cisse was benched against Attromitos but knew it was nothing personal just a bit of squad rotation that’s all
160 solano // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:12 PM
Sage @143 I refer!
161 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:14 PM
Jail…Any links? Having a go at what? Fans or players?
162 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:16 PM
Hyphen
I think the comments have been overblown tbh
But i also think his comments may of come from the one to be dropped seeing as
A) he was probably fresher as he didnt play fir senegal
B) in all honesty he was the inform striker in the squad and arguably better as a solo striker in regards to holding the ball up
163 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:17 PM
Solano…Were there dinosaurs back then or was it nearer the time of the big bang?
164 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM
tads
i think pardew really wanted cisse to get off the mark and may have thought his goal for senegal would have give him a boost
but hey its up to pardew im sure he had his reasons
165 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:20 PM
Solano
In my opinion the better the team the harder it is to bring youth through. The year we were in the Championship was the year i thought we would bring some players through.
What did we have at our disposal?
Krul – who was behind harper
Vuckic – only 17 but massive reputation. He came on in the game against Leicester in the game Hughton used to say to Ashley we need more signings by playing lots of youngsters. But Haris got injured.
Donaldson – Played Eng u19 but never made the breakthrough
Ranger – should be a first teamer, waster!
Kadar – Played well and rated by bobby moncur but something happened. I think his agent asked for mega bucks and so we told him where to go.
Ben Tozer – Wise signing never close to 1st team
Phil Airey – only 17-18 but tipped for big things. I think he had a temprement problem.
They were the players and none came through that year. But the youth set was in teansition then. That year we had a cracking u18 team.
The point is that for players to break through they need to be really good compared to a championship side who could bring through a good player. For that reason alone Wenger is a genius. To bring through the numbers he does is incredible.
Pardew may be our Wenger. The fact we signed 3 for the development squad and only 1 first teamer highlights the clubs change of emphasis.
We will see players coming through. The fact we are grade two means the players coming through will be Geordies – something the fans love!!
166 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:21 PM
Hyphen
Im sure he did and lets be fair it worked like!
167 solano // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:21 PM
Ibiza..it was somewhere in between the 1st and 2nd Summer of Love’s!
That should whittle the epochs down to a couple of decades
168 Jail for Ashley // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:27 PM
Ibiza,
No links,read the paper this morning just google his article today,just an undertone of whats happening in the game todsy.
169 solano // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:33 PM
Bollance@165…an interesting point….but ffs I’m cracking on! Another 40 years and I’ll be fertilising the pitch! Can we have some jam today? Please!
A good example of a middle way was the first couple years under KK….Ossie’s team were brimming with talent and we were staring Division 3 in the face. There was the Appleby’s, Thompson, Howey,Clark and Watson….when KK arrived and transformed the club, the top cream still came through and contributed to our success, playing alonside ‘bought in’ talent. I
In 1996-7, no doubt a huge error occurred when reserves team was dropped…but for 3 short years we had the club firing on all cylinders and on all fronts.
With the right vision and investment (across the board) we could achieve great things and surpass what has gone before.
170 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:38 PM
Transfersage
You say ‘we are not very good’, disagree.
If you take into account only results from 2012 we are probably as high as 4th best in the league. That probably puts us into the top 20 teams in Europe.
Dont let early season dip in form affect you. We will come good and Pards is the man to do it
171 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:38 PM
Ibiza
Get along? Wheres the fun in that! In all fairness i can see why people are retaliating instead of banter there seems to be a new craze of discecting peoples opinion and then trying to belitte it, i mean its a blog ffs not a university final paper!
Also alot of your not a fan cos you dont go to games stuff hate that sh1t
172 joe // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:38 PM
I really don’t get something. When we qualified for Europe last season everyone was so happy, and yet when I see the line ups posted on here it’s as if you guys see Europe as more of a nuisance rather than a competition we should be aiming to win.
173 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:45 PM
Joe
Well it is a nuisance, isn’t it? It’s not exactly the Champions League. Look at the stature of the club and where we are at – the Premier League has to be the priority.
The staff at the club will be aiming to win the competition, however AT PRESENT its a huge nuisance. We have so many injuries already and playing Thursday before weekend Premier League games has adverse effects on our chances of winning the league games. Look at Stoke as an example. We want to get through this group and rest key players so they aren’t risked for the league.
It’s all about the stature of our club and where we currently are. If we make the Quarter final stage for example, it will not be a nuisance. We will be excited to say the least. We will enjoy the group and get behind the team and get to see some promising youngsters whilst allowing our fringe players to prove their worth.
Surely you can see why we are all putting up second string 11s. Playing Cabaye, Jonas, Ba etc in this game would be a mistake.
174 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:45 PM
bollance@133— Sorry mate, just been drooling over Oscar skills and finishing. On Inman hope it isn’t a case of Pardew not rating him. He’s been around for years but still only 20. For me he’s been the star for the reserves this season. Certainly done enough to be on plane . He’s quick and fit again and seems to have developed a change gear. Very confident and good technically maybe being saved for Norwich .
Good finisher and maybe initially an introduction as impact player in last 20 minutes. Mind you I thought Tamas Kadar could play and would be our CB for the next decade. That said I know that Beardsley and Donachie rate him highly. Certainly he merits a Europa slot ahead of Campbell who’s had two quiet games Friday and last night.
175 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:47 PM
Solano
Excellent point.
KK philosophy was that if he needed a new player he went to Hall or Shepard and they clicked their finger, no transfer window those days. If they did not then KK went in a huff, apparently??
There is an argument for this idea (i do not agree with it!!). If we bring players through there will certainy be a transition period. The team will be weakened while this player gains experience. eg Tav out of position in Euro which cost us a goal.
That is why Wenger is a genius. He has maintained CL football and brought players through. The board love Wenger.
There has been a knock on affect that decision that KK made as we lost a generation of players – is that correct?
But it would appear the acamdey is now in good shape except for not gaining grade 1 meaning we can not bring in players from other areas. We now have to sole rely on Geordies – is it 10 or 50 mile radius of SJP?
The county which has produced the most Prem players is Durham so as long as the area includes durham we will be ok
176 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:50 PM
bollance@165- looks interesting. I’ll catch up with you . Cheers.
177 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:50 PM
Wow lille are getting an absolute spanking at home!!!
178 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:50 PM
Solana…..Full of love then.
Jail…I shall have a search.
Tads…It was in reference to this bullying that has apparently been going on. I’m just confused what the difference is in say optimists agreeing on something and it being bullying, but not the other way (And visa versa – it obviously goes both ways…oo er). There will always be difference of opinion, but there has been a lot said about people not coming on the blog anymore as they feel they can’t voice their opinion and that isn’t right. That’s all you pr*ck
179 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:52 PM
bollance- you only need to look at Chelsea to substantiate your point.
John Terry and!
180 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:52 PM
What are people’s opinions on who will take the captaincy tomorrow night?
I was saying on my blog I think it’ll be between Harper, Taylor and Shola. Personally I wouldn’t give it to Harper as he won’t be in the team when Krul returns and I don’t like the idea of a keepers being the captain anyway.
I do think he’ll go with Shola because he’s often spoken highly of him etc.
And before any of you cynical tw@ts talk about how much the captaincy is over-emphasised and what not, I’m asking because I’m interested and don’t know who it’ll be!
181 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:53 PM
Ian
Thanks for update. I see Oscar has scored two. 2-1 to chelsea.
I beleive that the u21 league is for scouts in the lower leagues to look for loan players.
This gives us good feedback on players. If we have a player who is in demand from lower division teams he clearly has good attributes.
We cleared out 10 youth players. Why? I think the feedback was not very good so we let them go. It gives players like Campbell a route to the first team.
Now we have kept the cream. The players who will go out on loan, like Tav did and if they do well like Tav they will play cup games like Tav will tomorrow.
182 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:55 PM
Lille are 3-0 down. Who are they playing? Master..
183 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:55 PM
Ibiza
Its a shame ya bellend, theres hardly any of the old posters on here any more but you can see why if you cant post an opinion without some one just ripping it to pieces instead of trying to actually have a discussion about it, in sure we’ve all been guilty of it in the heat of the moment but there seems to be a form of prolonged attacks on people that drag on and on and on and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
184 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:55 PM
Carryingcoals
Shola captain tomorrow
185 AmericanGeordie // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:56 PM
@Carryingcoals. Really enjoying your thoughful perspective on all issues Toon.
I couldn’t agree more that I love Jonas, and that we need his spirit and will-to-win on the pitch, but that he just doesn’t create enough in the offensive third for a club aspiring to be in the top 4-6.
With our inability to land Debuchy this summer, I’d really like to see Santon at RB and Jonas at LB for a good run of games. I think we’d give up very little if anything defensively, and could add quite a bit going forward.
Further, if/when we set up in a 4-2-3-1, we will need quality overlapping runs and service from our FBs. Danny Simpson, god bless him, will NEVER give us this.
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187 solano // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:56 PM
CarryingCoals..I take your point, but I’m with Joe….where’s the romance and the thrill of giving it your best shot? Getting excited and bragging about qualifying for Europe last season..even dreaming of silverware is what supporting NUFC should be about.
In the past, when attending many away games and supporting the Toon – when we were considered to be big boys in the top 4….the most common and cutting criticism was always “You’ve won fcuk all”….I would sacrifice a hell of a lot to see the club actually win some silverware in my lifetime and think a temporary blip in League form would be just that….temporary. The effect of NUFC silverware I think would transform the club and the city into an unstoppable juggernaut of ambition and success!
188 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:58 PM
Bollance
BATE Borisov
Its only half time!!
189 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 8:58 PM
tads….But why should I debate an opinion with someone when they’re clearly wrong
Oh well, the end may be ending this year, so the pain will be over soon 
190 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:03 PM
AmericanGeordie
thanks a lot. – I’d love to see to Santon tried at right back
solano
I completely get what you’re saying mate, but I think we are approaching it the right way. If we put our first 11 out for every one of these group games I think its impractical. Once we are clear I would love us to give it our best shot. If we won this competition it would be unbelievable, hell if we won the league cup it would be insane.
I simply don’t think it’s necessary to play our full strength side now and with injuries amounting and us struggling to find our best form, these Thursday night games are a nuisance.
I firmly believe the team we put out tomorrow will be able to get the job done. We will give it our best shot, the right side will play when the time comes! That’s what I think anyway.
191 alanrichie // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:03 PM
IS THE GAME ON TV IF SO WHICH CHANNEL AND KO TIME
THANKS
192 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:04 PM
Ibiza
Your the obvious exception your always right!
Tosspot
193 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:05 PM
Alan…ESPN and i believe 6pm GMT
194 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:05 PM
Ian Toon
Yes you are right. Chelsea have bought their way but they also have invested in youth but with no success. The only other player is Bertrand and possibly Mikel (they did buy him though).
Chelsea currently have two players who will be in Eng team in next 5 years if they reach potentil in josh mceachran (who is now 19). In any other prem team he would have come through by now! and Nathaniel Chalobah who is on loan to Watford. only 17-18. Watch out for him!
They have one more highly rated youngster but cant remember his name.
195 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:06 PM
I love how we are in Europe and want us to go all out to win it but I think it’s fair to say at present it is a nuisance. That doesn’t mean I won’t be enjoying tomorrow’s game. European nights at ST. James’ are some of the best… Marseille at home when Drogba played for them, semi final… we came so close… to have that again I’d sacrifice a hell of a lot for.
196 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:08 PM
bollance- mates who’ve watched more of under 18′s than me have not been overly impressed by this years crop.
On youth development Wenger/Arsenal are the blueprint to follow. It would be interesting to learn how much scouting time is devoted to football league: Europe.
197 solano // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:09 PM
Bollance@175….I think you misconstrue the Kk history a little…he had it right until he put short term gain in front of longterm building in 1996, in the belief that a premiership, won with such great football,would make us an irresistible magnet for players of all ages and creeds.
(Man City – having won last year – are making similar noises now I observe)
I’m not sure scrapping the reserves for 18months created a ‘lost generation’….we had one of the world’s most respected coaches at the club from 1999-2005..and failed to rectify the academy system. The point is….It’s not down to one man, it lies much deeper than that and is probably rooted in archaic coaches coaching archaic methods to kids of impressionable ages!
198 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:09 PM
toonarmydownsouth
did u get my subtle crude humour?
199 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:09 PM
tads….I’m glad we managed to clear that up. My insulting you seems pointless, you clearly already acknowledge my superiority
I do hope my sarcasm still comes over on here….i’m only 50% arrogant…honest.
Solano….I would love a quest for some silverware, it is just my opinion that our chances are say slim (Heck, our first team just managed a draw with Villa and we weren’t happy with that), then if our league form also drops will players want to stay? Still many if’s and but’s, maybe I have the benefit of probable more years to wait and that changes my opinion. I think we all want the same thing…success for Newcastle, it’s just an issue of timing.
200 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:09 PM
bollance
adam phillip – forward, was on loan at Yeovil. Plays brilliantly for the reserves. Good goalscorer.
201 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:11 PM
Bollance
No but you’ll have to forgive me my wife gave birth 10 days ago so i havent slept properly for a days!
202 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:14 PM
Ibiza
Insult away if you ever need to reinstate your superiority!
203 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:15 PM
Bollance- a former flat mate used to rave over Cardona- Lopez as the next Asprilla. Maybe I ‘ve only seen him on a bad day.
204 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:17 PM
Ian Toon
A few things to remember and consider about this years crop.
– We won the Nike cup a few seasons ago at u15 level so these are some of the players from that team. They might not have developed but they should be decent.
– The club has changed in its approach to youth. There are certain players being fast tracked. We have about 2-3 15 year olds playing at u18 level. Barlasa, Armstong and Woodman all 15.
Dont be too concerned. The coaches always put the emphasis on development rather than results.
Every player who excels in their age group is now being pushed up an age group or two. One of the Tottenham coaches realised that the players who were younger in each age group were more likely to come through.
205 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:17 PM
tads…Thank you for recognising my need for constant ego boosting. Much appreciated. How’s little Olivia doing? Driving catem mad yet?
206 Munster Mag // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:19 PM
Ian, in fairness I think Keegan got a pile of support from the ambitious ( at the time ) John Hall when we started to develop, and after that too, before things got silly. I would be a bit worried that we will flog two players for big dosh in the summer, reinvesting only a fraction of it, then hearing the doleful message from the club ( backed up by an annoyed and let down Pardew ) that agents eat the fees these days, whilst around us Everton etc are buying Mirellas’s etc …..as I said i respect much of what is going on at the club, but I dont like it being plastered in SD badges, and i dont like MA renaming an iconic ground under spoof investment pretences. I reckon MA would paint the place red if he thought it would make money. Sorry, I’m ranting. Lets hope we see some money spent in Jan, because it may in turn keep players like Cabaye, the likes of whom probably wont be uncovered again for 4mill.
207 solano // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:19 PM
Carrying…@190…I know what you’re saying and I hope you’re right if we progress!
The frustration lies – and here’s the controversial linkage to earlier themes – we could have quite easily covered our bases with reasonable investment. Instead, despite the love I’m dealing out tonight – myself and others, will probably be called the ‘n’ word for daring to question the footballing motives of certain individuals at the club.
208 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:21 PM
Munster…Don’t forget us mini accountants that will be chipping in too. Those pesky agents.
On that note, I am off. Laptop about to die and the girlies are fleeing the beach…I suppose that’s reasonable at gone 10pm.
Night all
209 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:23 PM
Goodnight Solano, you negger b*st*rd xx
210 GeordieToon89 // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM
Tonynufc – I’ve joined your league mate ‘Europa Punishers’
211 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM
Ian
A lot of the youth players get over hyped.
How many times have you heard ‘the next Alan shearer..’
Cardona- Lopez is a former wallsend school boy but born in Columbia. He is apparently a tricky winger and is a 1st year so is 16-17.
Remember the minimal number of players who come through.. as always though i hioe he does come good.
From what i have heard the stars of the team or players with potenitial are,
Woodman – 15-16 gk
Gilliead – 16 consett born striker (born in Durham!)
Armstrong 15 (u16 Eng call up)
Arrons – winger signed from Bristol 16.
All very young but have stepped up. And all being fast tracked. All apart from Arrons have played reserves games i beleive. Woodman made debt when 14
212 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:27 PM
Bollance- your on dangerous ground if you seek to understate KK’s
overall achievements. Many a poster has perished with such thoughts.
He’s seen as the messiah rather than a very naughty boy.
Munster- sir John was the money man( not wholly said to annoy Solano) but much was for self glorification and to be highly rated in the chronicles greatest living Geordies chart. Before you berate me the last point was an attempt at humour.
213 toonarmydownsouth // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM
Ibiza
Olivia and catem are good mate
Night son better get your tekkers on if your catch up with them girls!
214 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:30 PM
Carryingcoals
This Adam Philip guy is 21 and has many playes ahead of him so not sure he will come through for Chelsea.
215 pizzicatochan // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:31 PM
How many of you remembers Aaron Spear?
216 pizzicatochan // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:31 PM
remember*
217 solano // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:33 PM
IanToon…keep trying with the humour…I think it may develop to be more than troll and become, dare I say it droll!
I’ll pass on your thoughts to Sir John, the next time I see him
218 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:36 PM
Munster- Arsenal fans post sale of Song and RVP – were doomed sack Wenger. Now- what great buys were right back in the maelstrom for the top prizes. In the long term any manager will be judged on his activities in the transfer market – buying and selling. I give you Pardew: Dalglish. Liverpool are still suffering financially and R dodgers is duly restricted.
219 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:38 PM
Solano- Thanks. Praise indeed.
220 solano // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM
Ian…job done, I’ll get back to my armchair now… and read that book that says you should beware of people who make money their master…..
221 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM
Ian
KK acted on the hand he was delt. He is the most successful nufc manager in modern times.
In a way KK acted as if he had a billionaire owner. We had a huge revenue so we could afford to spend £13m one summer on Barton, Fedinand and Ginola. That was big money those days. It would not buy ronaldos socks these days though.
Man City had a great youth system but it is in tatters. What is there solution. Pump £200m into a project (which i beleive is fantastic for Manchester!). Even then though they will struggle to bring anyone through!
222 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:42 PM
pizzicato- wasn’t he a Dennis wise signing . A youngster who was released after the trumpeting of his skills by the club.
223 nico // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:45 PM
Why can’t we play our first team on Thursday. Other teams do in the Champions league. Why all the fuss about saving our players for just the Prem league. I can’t understand it. I bet Chelsea’s team over the weekend is pretty much the same that played tonight. Why arn’t we even taking Ba and Cisse. Unreal.
224 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:45 PM
Ian
Carzola > Song (different players but good business)
The lack of siging a striker will give Rodgers the excuse to keep him in the job for a while.. so he can well and truely take them down!
225 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:46 PM
Bollance- I could never see why so many people rated Donaldson.
He was an England under! Player but could never see why.
226 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:49 PM
Solano- Don’t believe what there saying about you. Your OK. Pleasant dreams.
227 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:49 PM
Ian
Not sure either. He worked hard but seemed very light weight. At Gateshead now so hopefully he can help them come up this season.
Good question.
If Gateshead in championship, would we hate them?
I like gateshead. They have a good agreement with loan players over past few seasons
228 Ian Toon // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:50 PM
Well I am signing off.
229 jawballsaswallwell // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:50 PM
Another thing I noted about the Everton game was the solid performance of Willo. He is a more than reliable premiership centre back as long as he keeps his hands to himself in the box at set pieces, which I saw none of at Goodison. You don’t really want him in there against the very best sides, but against 90% of opposition he’s good cover. Played well.
230 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:51 PM
Ian
Donaldson made his debt vs leicester as right back. As i suggested earlier. That was the game CH was trying to prove to MA we needed players
231 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:51 PM
for all the people saying andy carrol should not be bought as we dont play hoofball or any of that jazz
NUFC Stats ?@NUFC_Stats
NUFC have played most long balls per game on average in the Premier League so far (79) – Everton are second (69)!! #nufc #efc
232 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:52 PM
solano
re europa and the club – I see where you’re coming from! I think we will progress.
bollance
He was quite rated at one point but I agree – too many ahead of him. What hope have you got when they can go and drop £50 mil on someone. Then again, if you’re good enough you’re old enough.
How is that McEachran doing at Boro?
233 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:52 PM
Talk of the devil Gateshead
Just remembered we did have a player come through in the Campionship. Nobody corrected me either!
Andy Carroll of course came through that year, well after xmas!
234 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM
bollance
not sure how people on the other side of the water see it but for most people over here newcastle has always been very much the first team but a hell of a lot of us still follow gateshead, there would be no hatred from this side but like i say i have no idea what people from the newcastle side think
im only 23 but iv heard from older people iv worked with that years ago gateshead part of durham or something?? and seen as very much a rival, still get the odd bit of banter but these days i think most people think of us as tynsiders and so allies, thats my take on it anyway
see myself as a geordie as do the vast majority of gatesheaders
235 BelfastMagpie // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM
I was gonna say that the other day.lol
Easily the biggest long ball team in the league at the minute.
Or should I say most direct?
It’s bloddy hard to watch what ever you call it.
236 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM
Carryingcoals
Have not heard anything of McEachran at boro. They are just off promotion again. Hope they come up. Another derby and the fans dont have to travel far!
‘talk of the devil’ does not mean i think AC is the devil. I would have welcomed him back but for around £10m.
237 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:00 PM
Belfast
If you know that statistically you will lose the ball in the middle third of the pitch then it is better to gamble hoofing the ball into the final 3rd and hope you win it. This is fat sam tactics.
Not pleasant to watch but it is all about winning games.
238 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:02 PM
Gateshead
AC was a geordie!
The fact we do send a player or two a season on loan has helped and the fact Bogie is manager also helps too.
They lost John Shaw who was their goal machine. Hope they do well
239 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:04 PM
Sorry
AC still is a geordie (although some would say he lost that when he left).
240 Gateshead-Mag // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:05 PM
bollance
i think the newcastle – gateshead link helps both teams, newcastles young players get a chance to play competative games and gateshead get quality young players of the class that they would really struggle to attract to help them push on
241 jawballsaswallwell // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:05 PM
That long ball stat is an eye opener. My natural view of Newcastle is of a talented side looking to knock it around and mixing it up with the long ball. Maybe my tooncentric bias is coloring my view too much. Hope we rein that stat in.
242 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM
jawballsaswallwell
Once we retain the ball better which will probably coincide with Tiote coming back into the team we will play more on the deck.
Gateshead
Definitely. like any good relationship, it works both ways.
243 NUFC_LEAZES END // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM
Does anyone know when the tickets for the away game at Brugge come on sale? Would love to go
244 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM
Ian
From earlier post
Satka – 16 top defender who has played most of the u21 games
245 Something Clever // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:21 PM
Good work from the lads at uni..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/5118283/Bacon-sandwich-really-does-cure-a-hangover.html
246 Tsunki // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:22 PM
Well dont get your hopes up for carpet footy when tiote returns, its a good while since we last strung half a dozen passes together on a regular basis ha ha.
We have done ok on the long ball though. Mind we should, if you watch the amount of punts colo, williamson and krul average per game.
247 Tsunki // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:24 PM
nufc leazes – er have you been away? full story of allocation madness at bruges on nufc.com. I wouldnt book your hotel just yet mate>
248 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:33 PM
A bit sad but interesting none the less.
IanToon suggested he’d heard the current u18 team were poor. I told him we has lots of younger players.. This was the team which lost 4-2 on Saturday
Mitchell – 17
Sterry – 15?
(Morgan 72) – 16
Booth – 16
Quinn – just turned 17
McKinnon – 16
Cameron – 15
Cardona-Lopez – 17
Smith – 16
Gilliead – 16
Armstrong – 15
Olley – 16
(Gillhespey 72) – 16
Subs n/u:
Woodman – 15
Drennan – 15
Barlaser – 15
249 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:36 PM
Tsunki
You can add Danny Simpson’s infamous diagonal cross field hump up to your list too.
250 toonLYF // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:39 PM
i think this is a solid team which is capable of switching styles and playing more direct if need be, with a solid core and a good attacking prospect from midfield.
—————————-Harper————————–
Tavernier—-Williamson—–Taylor—-Ferguson
——————-Perch—-Bigirimana——————-
Obertan————–Vuckic—————–Marveaux
———————Shola Ameobi————————
Subs:
Elliot
Santon
Anita
Gosling
Abeid
Amalfitano
Campbell
Sammy on stand-by.
2-0 victory – Shola and Taylor.
251 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:44 PM
toonlyf
That would be my team too but Santon for Fergie – Fergie played all 90 mins of the reserve game on tues. Maybe he gets the last half hour?
100% agree with the side and setup otherwise.
252 toonLYF // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:51 PM
good point, hence the reason i didn’t include Gosling (not just due to my disliking for him, as i think otherwise Pardew probably would’ve included him)
I particularly like the formation as it can be easily adjusted to a 4-4-2 with Shola as target man obviously. Campbell is a useful option if that adjustment is made, coming on for Vuckic.
253 toonLYF // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:53 PM
but ey, what do we know, i was pleased with the starting line-up against Everton and look what happened. Guess we’ll just trust whatever Pardew goes with, and hope the lads get the job done.
254 thai-mag // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:53 PM
I dont see the point of giving team line-ups, knowbody on here knows what players or fit or who is not for up for it, leave it to Pardew, all that typeing for f*** all
255 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:54 PM
Nice try demba
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/demba-ba-wants-huge-pay-1332759
256 bollance // Sep 19, 2012 at 10:58 PM
As I said earlier
Demba will leave nufc in two years when his contract expires. Nobody will bid enough or take the risk to pay more then what we paid his agent £2m. He is going nowhere. Also no new contact. Why would we?
He has to play well to stay in the team and earn a new contract at the end of his current deal at a new club.
Once again nufc hold all the cards!
257 Tsunki // Sep 19, 2012 at 11:02 PM
thai-mag. So lets not bother typing then. I’ll start – goodnight.
258 toonLYF // Sep 19, 2012 at 11:04 PM
thai-mag – i’m not predicting Pardew’s team, i’m just posting what i would like to see going by the squad that has travelled. It’s kind of what you do on football blogs…post your views on how things are, and how you would like them to be.
259 toonLYF // Sep 19, 2012 at 11:06 PM
besides, my fingers are hardly falling off from a few sentences…
260 Carryingcoals // Sep 19, 2012 at 11:13 PM
thai mag
I think a few people might have an idea which players are fit, aside from Pardew!
and judging by your ignorance and spelling etc you have no idea how blogs work and this post has in fact been pointless on my behalf.
Hopefully the pointlessness of my irony hasn’t upset your delicate view of the world.
toonlyf
I agree mate, whichever 11 go out I think they’ll be capable of winning.
bollance
NUFC in a great position with Ba. With all the speculation surrounding our key players this summer, he would have been the one I’d have been least bothered about losing. If these are indeed tactics by him and his representatives, NUFC wont play ball. Ashely has made it clear he won’t be held ransom.
261 voodoo85 // Sep 19, 2012 at 11:16 PM
So Demba’s release clause is still there in January – was hoping it was just for this window just gone but appears not
“The situation with him is ongoing in terms of his contract, as there is that clause in there and it makes us vulnerable. That’s where we are – it’s still open in the next window.”
262 MacToon // Sep 19, 2012 at 11:28 PM
“that clause”
What clause, the one that was supposed to finish at the end of July? I don’t think he’ll see his current contract out but would be pleasantly surprised if he signed a new contract with us.
263 karasu // Sep 20, 2012 at 3:18 AM
I fear for us if this comes to fruition:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1164759/alan-pardew:-demba-ba-could-leave-newcastle-in-january?cc=4716
Even Soccernet is picking up on it. He’s too much quality to let go, especially to direct competition in BPL. Furthermore, other clubs are now privy to us and won’t let any good strikers come to us for cheap. If this comes to fruition, we will be between a rock and a hard place.
264 karasu // Sep 20, 2012 at 3:22 AM
Oh and lets not kid ourselves. Campbell and Vuckic are not ready NOW. We can’t survive with only 1 good senior striker in the form of Papiss.
265 check the toastie // Sep 20, 2012 at 6:44 AM
Pretty clear Pardew would like a Cisse/Andy Carrol partnership up front long term, and i personally think they would be immense together, there is nothing worse for a squad than a player causing bother. Ba needs to remember were he has come from, cheeky cnut.
266 Ian Toon // Sep 20, 2012 at 7:52 AM
Bollance@@248and256- on under 18′s I took a simplistic view based on poor results which of course when it comes to players at this
level is of secondary importance. In the main it was smarting at having lost to the mackems last saturday. I note that a number are also representing England and not always available for us. Confirms the contention that were building from the grass roots.
On Ba- I agree with your conclusion. Hence Pardew is happy to be so transparent . It won’t stop it being debated ad nauseum. Enjoy your day.
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