We were a little upset to fins out last week that it seems that Demba Ba has another £7M release clause in his contract at Newcastle, and it seems to activate in the January transfer window, and this is after the release clause was active for June and July in the summer, but thankfully the Senegal striker didn’t leave the club.
Demba Ba - after scoring his goal yesterday
The fact hat the release clause is active again in January was revealed by Alan Pardew after the Everton 2-2 draw on Monday night, after be had been benched but came on in the second half to score two good goals to get Newcastle a valuable point.
This is what Demba Ba had to say to the local Newcastle press today:
“The best time to do your talking is during the 90 minutes.” “That’s exactly it – that is what football is about.” “It should be played on the pitch when it’s 11 versus 11.”
“I’m delighted.” “To have a win and a goal is great for me.” “It was a great pass from Hatem, and to get three points as well means you can’t ask for any more.”
“It could have made it easier if we converted the penalty, but we are a team, and we wanted Papiss to get going – that’s all.” “Jonas came up with the idea, but unfortunately he missed it.”
“The three points were the most important thing.” “We know Cisse will come good, he just has to find his way back to the goal. He will continue to work After that, it is in the hands of God.”
“Who knows what is going to happen for him and for us in the future?”
It’s going to be very hard to have to go through all that stuff we went through over the summer, wondering if some clubs will come in and take Demba Ba away from Newcastle.
We have to hope that Newcastle can somehow get Demba Ba to sign a new deal, and he’s worth quite a good wage after all he’s done at Newcastle - with 20 goals in 42 appearance for the Tyneside club.
And this is what Demba Ba tweeted on his Twitter account after the game yesterday:
“When you got players like yohan or hatem. It make football look easy…”
The last word on the Senegal striker - sign this lad up to a good long term contract and keep him at the club.
What do you think?
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1 Carryingcoals // Sep 24, 2012 at 11:18 AM
I’d like Ba to remain with us, but on his current deal. I’d be happy for him to stay a Newcastle player until he’s 29. His agents won’t hold the club to ransom and nobody will pay out the transfer fee and then colossal wages on a high risk player (ie his knees).
I would be disappointed if the club gave him a much better deal as they would then be asked by the agents of our other stars to give their clients improved deals! Again restricting funds we have to recruit new players.
Ba won’t get a contract from us, he’ll remain a Newcastle player on his current deal. I think we’ve heard enough of this now, I’m bored of it. I like Demba but he needs to get out of the media limelight.
2 BelfastMagpie // Sep 24, 2012 at 11:20 AM
Yea I seen that a while ago that Ranger was on 10k a week lol
People wondering why he refuses to move on,there’s your answer.
The buck stops with the club for giving him the contract.
3 TorqToon // Sep 24, 2012 at 11:25 AM
Repost –
When you think back to last season, (we are only 1 point worse off from our unbeaten start BTW!) big Demba Ba hadn’t even scored a goal for us. His first of 3 was in game 6. And that was with a minimal amount of pressure on the lad. Yes he impressed with whu but a free transfer he was. Just imagine the pressure Papiss is feeling now. Touted as world class last year but nearly everybody, the number 9 shirt and nothing seems to go for him, the applaud off the park yesterday will do the lad wonders! But he WILL come good and in a big way!! I love the boy, he loves this club and even more so after the support he recieved yesterday! Just glad he didn’t read what the idiots on here were saying!! Keep going lad! It will come!
4 TorqToon // Sep 24, 2012 at 11:27 AM
Simple solution;
1) Kick out the thug, Ranger,
2) Free up 10k a week in wages
3) Give it to Ba
4) Improve team moral and let ranger do what he wants without tainting our beautiful club.
5 rainrix // Sep 24, 2012 at 11:30 AM
So it was jonas’ fault cisse took the penalty eh? Thats it pards should strip him of the vice captaincy and make him play in the reserves for a bit for such gross incompetence.
6 cupiddstunt // Sep 24, 2012 at 11:30 AM
I don’t think we should panic about the Ba situation, he club knows what is needed and they will be doing what they can about rectifying it.
Or do you think that the club is just merrily going along oblivious to everything that is going on around them.
And on the point of Ba’s contract clauses and those of you that are saying the clauses should be removed just think before posting eh.
It is almost a cast iron guarantee that both parties do not want clauses in contracts as they make for much more complicated dealings, BUT they are put there n an effort to pre-empt a situation and protect the party concerned.
Ba’s knee is well documented so neither party will get insurance on it, so the club want a clause in to protect themselves so if his knee goes bang tomorrow they are not left paying years on a contract to a none player, conversely Ba will have counter-clauses in there to protect himself.
7 Carryingcoals // Sep 24, 2012 at 11:30 AM
TorqToon
The way he was applauded off the pitch by the fans and the way he was encouraged before and after the penalty miss by the players, shows the togetherness of the club and reflects how it has transformed. We haven’t played very well so far but we are picking up points and almost have Tiote, Krul and Colo all back in the side. Plus we have a European home game to look forward to next week. It’s very, very good times for the club at the minute and constant berating of our own players, such as WIlliamson, by fans who actually hope he has a bad game let the spirit down which the club now has in abundance.
8 jawballsaswallwell // Sep 24, 2012 at 11:30 AM
He’s on the contract he’s on essentially because of his knee as I understand it.
Has that situation improved and isn’t the clause part of that trade off.
He has done very well and does deserve to be fairly compensated of course, but unless that knee problem has miraculously gone away, there won’t be any big money 5 year deal, I imagine.
9 Carryingcoals // Sep 24, 2012 at 11:37 AM
TorqToon
Unfortunately it’s not as simple as that, Ranger would have to be heavily compensated and your post assumes Ba will settle for 10k more a week. That isn’t the case. It’s pointless giving Ba a new deal at present, both parties are protected by clauses and the relationship between player/representatives and club is fractious.
Giving him 10k a week won’t end speculation or agent meddling. Nor would Ba’s party accept it.
The club are in a good position on this.
As for Ranger he seems to be a lost cause. The image of the club is very good at present, we have a financial model envious of other clubs, we are dubbed as overachieving and our strikers are devout muslims who don’t go out drinking and smashing up this Bigg Market like certain ex ‘pro’s’. Ranger will be forgotten about.
10 cupiddstunt // Sep 24, 2012 at 11:39 AM
Jonas doing what a captain should be doing, absolute quality just shows the lad is thinking about the team as a whole and not just what he is doing in the game.
Small wonder we have such good spirit in the dressing room when you have players like this in and around it.
11 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2012 at 11:48 AM
Carryingcoals – we could do with you carrying goals!
@1 your spot on. Ashley will not want to create a precedent for all the reasons you have stated.
After reading the dross that our so called fans serve up during the game I am just delighted that I am not party to it. The atmosphere was very tense at the stadium and Cisse’s penalty miss only added to the tension. Had Cisse scored we could well have scored 3 or 4 goals. But
just how match time bloggers react if we were losing. Some of them continually get the wrong end of the stick – some don’t even get the stick at all. Some would have an argument in an empty house. Even when we’re not playing particularly well we have the creative players who can change a game. That’s why we win games by creativity and resilience. Williamson proved that he is a good squad player and he deserved credit for his performance. Injuries to key players have an impact on all sides but were finding a way to win as all good teams do. The pick were Harper, Williamson, Santon,Perch,HBA and Ba. Cabaye is close to returning to form and displayed flashes of his passing range. Tiote’s return was like that of an uncontrolled tiger but he provides the vibrancy to the midfield which has been lacking. Cabaye will have a freer role with Chiek in DM.
12 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM
Just how would match time posters react if we were losing.
13 rainrix // Sep 24, 2012 at 11:51 AM
Cupid.. I was joking btw
14 rainrix // Sep 24, 2012 at 11:53 AM
I predict the next article will be about Cisse.
15 jesperfuglsang // Sep 24, 2012 at 11:53 AM
Ian…I wouldnt even want to be thinking about that mate ;D with Cisse missing that penalty in Elkjær style imagine if Norwich had levelled ? lol
16 ganiyu // Sep 24, 2012 at 11:56 AM
Number one priority is to win the europa cup or the f.a cup.Hope I’m not wrong?
17 Carryingcoals // Sep 24, 2012 at 12:09 PM
Ian Toon
Completely agree, especially on the final point about Cabaye.
Too many fans with unrealistic expectations!
18 cupiddstunt // Sep 24, 2012 at 12:12 PM
Rainrix @ # 13
I guessed that you were joking, the smiley gave it away just a little.
19 rainrix // Sep 24, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Ha just making sure, sarcasm doesnt translate well on the internet
20 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Jesper- LOL . I have to say I have never encountered such trite nonsense spouted at our games. The crowd were tense yesterday but willing the team through difficult periods . Reading the posts back you could easily make a case for many wanting us to lose. One of the best
posts to the often said we’re winning but playing badly was from Ed
Harrison. He said something like – well just think what we’re going to achieve when we’re playing we’ll. Some fans( sic) would be happier
If we were losing games so they could make a link with Ashley’s prudence in running the club.
Ibiza- hiya. Your humour and balanced approach is missed . I swear numbers have been down because your not around???? I liked the god cop reference as well. Come back all is forgiven!!
21 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2012 at 12:20 PM
Ibiza- or even good cop. Sorry Jasper talk later. Man U games on Wednesday . Hope we do better than the Under 18′s who lost 7-1 at home on Saturday to their u18′s.
22 rainrix // Sep 24, 2012 at 12:24 PM
Ian… It’s better for your sanity if you don’t bother looking at the comments during the match days. Much better to come back a day or 2 after and actually have a decent discussion about the match once all the kiddies are back at school
23 lesh // Sep 24, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Given Ranger’s track record before he was signed up on his last contract, I’m astonished that a clause wasn’t inserted in it that would enable his dismissal in the event of future criminal charges or stupidity that impacts on Newcastle United.
Short sighted or were we just happy to think he’d be good lad? In either case, gross errors of judgement and as time goes by, he’s just a drain on the club. Surely the legal eagles can find a way to bladder the idiot!
24 bollance // Sep 24, 2012 at 12:45 PM
Ian
Good point. If we reward Ba with a new contract then we are vindicating bad behaviour. If Ba scores 20 plus this season we may be worthy of a new deal but only when he proves himself.
Watched the u18 second half. The first half ended 5-0. But apparently our u18 side played better second half and one of our players caught the eye. Gilliead, usually a striker played as a midfielder and did some excellent strong runs. But lad is clever and has the ability to slow down draw a defender and then sprint past. Like hba does.
Had a closer look at Cardoza Lopez and he is very small. Think he is only 16-17 so still young in this age group but he did score. We had 15 year old woodman in goal and armstrong up front so we are still fielding a youthful side.
But there was certainly a gulf in class. The man u youngsters moved the ball about very well and we chased shadows a lot of the half. Their 5 goal striker James Wilson looked very good. But I certain that our defence at times made him look good. The last goal he scored our defender Cameron had a simple ball to hoof out of play but got it caught between his legs and then Wilson steamed in and scored.
Lessons will have been learnt. They did themselves pass it about in periods but they have a long way to go. Also impressed with midfielder smith.
25 hotdog // Sep 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM
On Cabaye – No one is doubting his work ethic is great like the rest of the team but he gave the ball away cheap yesterday. He knocked a lovely first time ball out to Obertan (Who was wasteful again) and that was about it. He will lose the ball as he trying the risky final through ball which i will not criticise him for but he has to up his game imo.
26 bollance // Sep 24, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Ian
This should give u an idea of man u’s team Wednesday.
Man Utd
01 De Gea
02 Rafael
03 Evra
06 Evans
15 Vidic
07 Valencia
16 Carrick
17 Nani
22 Scholes (Fletcher 79)
26 Kagawa (Welbeck 84)
20 Van Persie (Hernandez 81)
This is the team they put out against galatasaray.
Fletcher will start in midfield. They will know we will play a strong spine with colo, Taylor, tiote and possibly even Cisse playing upfront so expect them to also be strong!
27 bollance // Sep 24, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Hotdog
Cabaye has a lot to lose if his form does dip for a long period – his starting place in the French team. He has worked exceptionally hard to nail down that position and looked fantastic in euro 2012.
He is starting to get back to form. The first time pass to obertan to put him through on goal was perfect and he is now starting to put ankle biting tackles like a tenacious scholes! As demba says football is made so much easier with players like cabaye on the pitch
28 jesperfuglsang // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Ian…talk to you later
haven’t seen Ibiza though he was on last nite for a short while…
Bollance…probably looks about right
I would imagine Fletcher and either Welbeck or Hernandez to start against us though!
29 Tsunki // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:09 PM
I predict next article is about Willo, and his imminenet national callup to replace JT as captain…. Wait, where’s he from again……
30 ~Anita One Bites the Dust~ // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:12 PM
I have to say, I’m well impressed with how both keepers have performed so far in Krul’s absence. Harper imo is a Hall of famer, for his loyalty and sportsmanship in the game. He is one of only a minority of ‘fair’ players, as shown on Monday. Great professional as well and Imo was easily in our top 3 best players against Norwich. Likewise Elliot performed really well in Europe.
31 Tsunki // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Its a relief our goalie situatiion looks more settled, especially elliot, never had doubts about harps just how long he has left at the top of his game. But for now he is easily as good as he has ever been.
Round about the time Forster was angling for a move and harps was knacked, elliot was being reported as virtually useless I was decidedly worried about Krul getting crocked. Phew! Gasp!
32 hotdog // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:22 PM
bollance – I really dont think he is getting back to his best form but his efforts last year will ensure he will be allowed to work through it.
33 bollance // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:36 PM
Ranger currently has a knee injury so i suspect he did not kick the door in.
34 bollance // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:38 PM
Hotdog
Exactly, he wil be given the time as we know he is one of our players when on form. But as i say he will come good because he has a lot to lose if he does not!
35 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:41 PM
Nile Ranger is a bum.
That is all
36 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:41 PM
If you can get past Demba BA,s Agents and Family to get him to actually sign a new Deal without any of these stupid Release clauses then okay! Lets do it! I will be Happy!
I know that he is supposed to have problems with his knee, but he keeps banging goals in anyway! So i don,t care if he has probs with his knee because he,s already proved he can score inspite of any knee problems!
Re-post:
As far as regards Nile Ranger, can the club not just sack him like they did Joey? He,s had more chances than a Saturday game of Monopoloy in a knocking shop!
Get rid of him!
37 bollance // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:44 PM
Tsunki
Elliot was written off because he went through a period around the forest game where he conceded lots of goals every time he played.
He has now done something that Forster never did and that is star in a 1st team game for us. Although if Forster had had a chance then i am certain he would have shone too.
38 toonLYF // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:46 PM
bollance/hotdog – i realy think Cabaye must be a horrible player to play against when he’s having a good day, he’s like a pedigree bull terrier, elegant yet rabid.
39 tequilamag // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Bollance, pretty sure Barton was not sacked but allowed to leave on free transfer. QPR where happy to take him and give him big wages. Cant see anyone taking Ranger even on a free because he would still want his 10 K a week.
40 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Our one advantage with Ba is his supposed ticking time bomb,nuclear reactor,C4 filled,volcanic eruption waiting to happen knee
. This may keep the big,big clubs away and other than maybe Spurs I can’t see him joining anyone else. Its funny how he is the most injury prone on paper but has played a season and a half in the Premier League plus ACON and has barely missed a game, funny that 
.
41 tequilamag // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:51 PM
sorry New expat for last post
42 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:54 PM
Also I bet Tony Pulis wakes up in cold sweats regretting the day he let Demba slip away
, what an awful decision that turned out to be
43 Carryingcoals // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:55 PM
Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:41 PM
Nile Ranger is a bum.
… And never a truer word was spoke. The end.
44 Carryingcoals // Sep 24, 2012 at 1:55 PM
*spoken ha
45 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:01 PM
No apologies needed Tequila!
I could,nt remember the full details of the time when Joey left us, but the Ranger problem is not as easy as the Joey problem was to solve.
The club should be able to just sack this plonker for bringing the club into dis-repute or something !
46 cyprus // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:04 PM
Hard fought game yesterday, good result. Better players were Harper, Williamson, HBA and Ba, though others were decent as well. Still waiting to see Ober actually dribble past a player! (though he did put in an effort when he came on, granted)
47 tequilamag // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:07 PM
I think we would all love to see him given the boot. Horrible individual he clearly could not give a toss.
48 Carryingcoals // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:08 PM
cyprus
I agree. Talked a lot about Williamson in my analysis and some thoughts on Obertan too.
A much needed win for us for sure, glad we got the 3 points.
http://www.carryingcoals.com/?p=169
49 dave 1961 // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:10 PM
Big Pappa Cissé
its never been revealed how bad Ba knee’s are but the scale is 1-4 4 requiring knee replacement knee joint, mine are at L3 and i had a repair done 2 years ago this meant i could not even put my foot on the floor for 6 months, & obviously i don’t play football, if Ba’s knees are a level 3 his carrier could be 1 tackle from its end, and that’s why no one wanted him for even £7m. mind he might not get worse than he now is, so a double edged sword.
50 dave 1961 // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:12 PM
cyprus
Williamson gave away 3 clear goal scoring chances to Norwich a better team could have made us pay.
51 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:15 PM
@ Dave
How did you damage your knee ? , If you don’t mind me asking of course
52 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:21 PM
Also I’m sure our medical team looks after Ba’s knee well enough. I’ve heard we don’t let him play on very hard surfaces to keep damage to a minimum. My worst nightmare would be for Demba to do a Jimmy Bullard, anyone remember that Scott Parker tackle on him ? I felt sick watching the replay. Dislocated knee or something like that
53 toonLYF // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM
yesterday for Obertan kind of reminded me of when Santiago Munez has his first trial with Newcastle in the film Goal, he essentially gets bullied and looks hopeless despite being a good player.
just waiting to see the good player aspect to Obi, he has a decent enough first touch, but his footballing brain is non existant, he’s almost mechanical. If he can’t get to the byline he literally has no clue what to do. It was a display hard to watch from the Gallowgate end on Sunday from Obertan, dunno if it seemed different on TV, but he was very poor, and i’m not a hater of him.
54 Carryingcoals // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM
BPC
Yes, it was horrible. Parker looked distraught too. Bullard has never been the same since.
55 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:27 PM
Cisse is an instinctive goalscorer. All such breed do not benefit from time to think. He’s the last guy to take a penalty. He’s far better at defying the law of physics.
Jimmy Magpie- I’m never around when you are. On your post
On the Pardew nothing wrong with Cisse article @ 6.
Your total lack of pace comment in reference to Cabaye and that’s why we’re not dominating in midfield conclusion. I am not obsessed
with stats and generally prefer my own visual judgment when assessing a players performance. However, optasports stats have there
place in football particularly to highlight those that are under performing. I’m told that stats had Milner preferred more often than not over Adm Johnson last season. I use this to illustrate my point that with Cabaye you need to consider the sum of his parts. He’s had to cover for the absent Tiote whilst regaining full match fitness I saw enough yesterday to suggest that he’s not far away from his best. I firmly believe that when Cabaye is at his best so are we.
Oh and OPTA stats last season suggested the same.
56 ~Anita One Bites the Dust~ // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:29 PM
Has Bigrimana decided which country he want’s to play for?
I hope its England… we are desperate for a young quality player in the Tiote/Bigri model.
A midfield of,
~Johnson~~~Cleverley/Wilshere~~Bigri~~~Chamberlain
That would be a decent young and hungry Midfield to watch
57 Carryingcoals // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:29 PM
I’d have to echo that, we were on another level in the games Cabaye shone most, namely Man U and Stoke at home.
58 Krul to be Kind // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:33 PM
I’ve watched every game this season and i’m sorry to say this because I don’t do negative about my team, but the lack of chances created is worrying to say the least, I think the Norwich game was the first we have controlled possession throughout the season so far… This to me is the reason why Ba has scored 4 and Cisse 0, Ba gets stuck in all over the pitch whilst Cisse needs service, I also believe we defend far too deep at times which means we have to play the ball out nullifying any potential to really hit on the break, which we are excellent at given the pace the side possesses, we need to control games more.
slightly digressing here but does anyone else think Tiote was running about like a small tank yesterday because he realises he is possibly the first of the true starting XI to have squad competition in the form of Bigi so he is playing with a point to prove?… Just a thought
59 hotdog // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:33 PM
Here’s a question – If Obertan is as quick as you posters seem to think. How come i see players keeping pace with him every game he plays? It is a Fallacy!
60 ~Anita One Bites the Dust~ // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM
Tiote just looked like a Rottweiler ready to pounce at anything. He is clearly hungry for game time having been out of the team due to injury. Tiote is a player who puts money after football unlike most players now. I cursed at the tv a couple of times though, telling him to clear the dam ball.
Do it in the middle of the park, fine. Don’t dance with the ball right at the edge of our box X.x
61 Krul to be Kind // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:37 PM
agreed anita, blood boiling stuff on the edge of the box with minutes to go!
62 toonLYF // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:37 PM
Krul to be Kind – I agree there mate, i noticed even Norwich, despite being away from home and probably half expecting to get beat, they were pushing up from the back and playing with the defensive 4 on the halfway line when possible, therefore condensing the space between mid/forwards….our problem is, the gaps in between each department are always way too big so it takes either an Arfa run, or a Cabaye defence spliter, and when neither of them come up with the goods we struggle to create.
63 hotdog // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:41 PM
Ian Toon – Jimmy Magpie like myself are not doubting Cabaye’s quality we are just saying he has struggled in his games this season and has offered the team very little during 90mins.
64 Krul to be Kind // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:41 PM
Hotdog re:Obertan
He has incredible Pace… look at his goal against Blackburn last season.
I believe the reason he doesn’t look so fast is because defenders stand off him, his talents are still raw, time is on his side if he works on the right things ie. decision making and crossing which are essential for any winger, I believe he started as a forward at Bordeaux and moved to the wings by Mr whiskey snout @ Utd!
65 toonLYF // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:43 PM
saying this we have only played 1 game with our first 11, Krul, Tiote and Colo are within our top 5 players for me, with them back i feel so much more confident.
Massive respect to Harper though, he’s really stepped up and you can tell he is absolutely loving it.
66 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM
Hotdog – re read his point it was on Cabaye’s total lack of pace. That’s why I commented on his rather than your post. If people are deemed clueless I don’t comment at all. Cabaye is not as quick as Obertan
Or as slow as Williamson. Cabaye has so many talents – sum of the parts.
67 Krul to be Kind // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:47 PM
Toonlyf, absolutely buddy, I’m just hoping when Collo comes back this is just one of those things we lack when he isn’t playing and we get it sorted, not too confident though because the games I’ve seen with Collo so far this season we are still dropping too deep trying to compensate for a lack of pace through the middle of the back line, however, if santon and simpson in the fullback spots pull tighter into the centre halves the pace is there to sweep from the fullback positions if we get caught out.
You hit the nail on the head about the space between def-mid-att, far too much meaning longer balls, more difficult to control resulting in attack breakdowns!
68 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM
Krul- Tiote has been saying he’s fit to play for a week . He had so much energy to expend and little time to do it!
.
69 Krul to be Kind // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:55 PM
Ian
A little too much energy for my weak heart!
70 hotdog // Sep 24, 2012 at 2:58 PM
Kru l – If memory serves me he did not out pace anybody – Blackburn were pushing forward and he had the length of the pitch to run into unchallenged. Fair play to some of you for still backing him but he is the only player that does not get my backing as he has had plenty of chances. I dont rate or trust him on the pitch!
71 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2012 at 3:05 PM
Not surprisingly much discussion today has been on how well players and the team played. Can I just throw into the mix the last few performances of Saylor. I thought he was at fault for Everton’s second goal and one of our poorer players yesterday. There is a tendency for us to think that he’s one of our own and absolve him from criticism. Williamson had one of his best games I thought. Maybe it’s just part of the process of recovering from a long term injury and playing so many games in a short period of time. Personally I would give him a break against Man U.
72 Krul to be Kind // Sep 24, 2012 at 3:07 PM
hotdog
Not being arsie here but is that not the reason we are ‘fans’… supporting through thick and thin? He is no world beater by no means… but he is still our player and has to do a job, with the fans on his back more often than not, is it any wonder his development stalled.
Don’t get me wrong, I wasn’t exactly setting of fireworks when I heard of his signature, Pardew/Carr must have seen something don’t you think and £3m was a relatively small fee for someone who was so hyped just over 3 years ago!
73 hotdog // Sep 24, 2012 at 3:24 PM
Krul – Like i said in my last post mate he got my backing in many games. I dont see that backing being repayed in effort. He is half arsed and does not commit himself in games. £3 mil aint alot but when have we ever signed a good player from manu, fergie sees us coming. There is a reason they got rid as he aint good enough simples.
74 rainrix // Sep 24, 2012 at 3:27 PM
Ian.. Wouldn’t say saylor’s immune to criticism. One of my biggest problems with him is that he has a habit of using his elbows when he challenges for high balls. I remember him doing it against AZ back in 2007, he really needs to stop doing it or he will get sent off one day.
75 Ashton // Sep 24, 2012 at 3:28 PM
Tiote looked like a roid-raging body builder on the pitch! He wanted to kill everyone.
76 Munster Mag // Sep 24, 2012 at 3:44 PM
Ridiculous effort by Tiote, who really needs to get a grip on himself. It was a pretty poor effort in many ways, and quite worrying if we look at the glass half empty, but we can all hope ( glass half full ) with the players we have. I thought Williamson looks like he has been eating the weights all summer – big bloke! I’m not at all concerned re Cisse and Ba, but we are being carried by Ben Arfa and some players really need to find form. We continue to work hard but i still feel that Santon is a poor defender from what I have seen ( good going forward but lacks end product , great energy ) and our workrate is saving us from a tonking from someone. Thankfully this is a weakish league and IF we buy in Jan, we could do quite tidily….
77 bollance // Sep 24, 2012 at 3:47 PM
Bigi will play for England. The person he refers to as father (pardew) will encourage him to play for England because u might as well double his market value with him bein young and English.
Or he will let god (this could be pearce as he is U21 manager) decide
78 hotdog // Sep 24, 2012 at 3:52 PM
Munster – Dont know what to make of Santon, still think he has quality but like Jonas and Obertan, they seem to run to the edge of the box and get a brain freeze
79 Munster Mag // Sep 24, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Ian, I completely agree re Saylor – but he has always been overrated IMO. We need to wake up and stop relying on HBA. Anita continues to impress but I dismay at Obertan and others. It still rankles that other teams picked up good players for tidy sums ( eg Mirellas ) but I hope we address this is Jan – if not I think we can safely conclude that we will really only spend decent bucks when we sell. One more point – what a great keeper we have – a proper gentleman and so deserving of his special place in NUFC fans affections.
80 dave 1961 // Sep 24, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Big Pappa Cissé
just wear & tear after living life at too fast a speed, i started my own business when i was 18 and i used to work 18-20 a day, some times i went a week without any sleep & everyone used to warn me i would pay a price for it, last 8 years i have developed 5 life threatening illnesses and worn out all my joints, i have to go to the freeman next week to be checked for throat cancer, & that why i am not patient with the football.
81 Munster Mag // Sep 24, 2012 at 3:58 PM
Hotdog, i always prefer players playing on their “right” side and the more i watch santon, the more he continues to fall short of his previous reputation. He is a fine athlete, with good skills, but getting close to his man isnt one of them, and delivery isnt either. I still cant understand why he doesnt have a game on the right, but I guess the brains trust has looked at all this many times.
82 Munster Mag // Sep 24, 2012 at 3:59 PM
Best wishes dave
83 jesperfuglsang // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Munster…I think you can conclude already that we will only spend big bucks if we are selling or if a great bargain comes along
Take a look at our finances for the last few seasons – they show we are trying to break even hence not spending more than we generate.
I actually think Pardew was told he had to sell to buy this summer unless we could get any of our targets for a certain price (Debuchy being the case).
84 jesperfuglsang // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:04 PM
Dave…talk about putting things in perspective
Best of luck to you mate!
85 dave 1961 // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:04 PM
Munster Mag
i will be OK not as worried as the GP because i have been going to the doctors with a sore throat and hoarse voice for over a year and he never bothered checking my throat, a trainee doctor had a look and went a few shads whiter as i was looking at him and the wife’s in a panic because of the speed i have been fast tracked through the system, but i have had 3 heart attacks and survived so i am pretty tough.
86 dave 1961 // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:08 PM
jesperfuglsang
I’m more bothered about the next match, but it does make me too impatient, i vaguely remember the fairs cup but i still wore shorts, and it’s faded with my hair.
87 Wor Shearer // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Surprise!
Nile Ranger’s been arrested again.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19697940
88 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:12 PM
@ Dave
3 heart attacks, your a fighter alright. You have a pacemaker or one of those things Muamba has then ?
89 dave 1961 // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Big Pappa Cissé
no i don’t even attend hospital with it but i have to take 38 tablets each day + tablets for my allergies & painkillers, i usually save up the pain killers and take a massive overdoes to go to the match, them I’m usually bad for 3 or 4 days afterwards. the people i go with think I’m a modern day superman but i would struggle without the tablets. its surprising what opiates do for the courage.
90 tarie4 // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:21 PM
I find it mind boggling when pple say santon is poor defensively?? This season he has been a beast… Most of the Crosses going into our box come from the right handside… Apart from Lennon who mugged him once and put a cross for bale to head onto the bar, no other winger has had much joy on santons side, mirralis ended up tucking in coz of that. He has been brilliant imo, unless U prove me otherwise.
Attacking wise, he is always marked by two players, if we had a decent left winger, we would be deadly down that side…but his partner Jonas can’t cross so ya. But at 21 he is a superb talent and as hr plays more games he will get better and better..
91 dave 1961 // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:23 PM
tarie4
Santons a good player and will get better.
92 Ian Toon // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:27 PM
Tarie4 – spot on. He’s got real talent. He just needs to believe that he can cause problems in the opposition last third bombing forward. I always find myself thinking/ shouting go on go on. He will really kick on when we have all our top guys back and can play more of a passing game with 4-2-3-1.
93 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:28 PM
He just needs to learn to get stuck in and tackle hard a bit more, great athleste and on of the best full backs in the league already
94 tarie4 // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Big Pappa Cissé
Not all players need to make big challenges, collo is one of the best defenders in the league but he doesn’t get stuck in and tackle hard. They are called technical defenders. They aren’t no nonsense defenders.
95 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:39 PM
@ Tarie
Not so much crunching tackles but shoulder to shoulder and upper body strength. He is a big lad and can mustle most wingers of the ball
96 lukes26 // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:41 PM
I think Pardew should continue sitting up in the bleachers. His decision-making for these past two games has been sublime. Maybe watching the game from above makes it easier to read.
In both games he quickly sub’d Anita to RB. Then in yesterdays game he swapped Anita back again to CM because he realized he’s far too short to be defending crosses, which was Norwich’s sole attacking strategy.
Smart moves.
97 tarie4 // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:43 PM
Big Pappa Cissé
Ahhh ok, but in all honesty I haven’t seen santon barged of the ball this season, maybe I missed it…. I have seen him beaten in the air, but as a wing back U would expect them to lose out in the air tbh.
98 stunna // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:46 PM
Ba has shown us he’s streaky. We know he has a bad knee and he’ll be 28 at the end of the season. Signing a player like this up to a long-term deal is the type of move that could burn you. Keep him on his incentive-based contract or sell him. His contract expires at the end of next season. I don’t think we’ll want him after that.
99 lukes26 // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:47 PM
Tarie
I agree. Santon was a bit inconsistent last year, but has fulfilled his duties excellently this year.
The longer he plays alongside Colo and Taylor, the better he’s going to be.
100 dave 1961 // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:54 PM
seems the scouser’s are up to their tricks again, and it seems they have forgot about the support they got over Hillsborough.
Mark Halsey complains to police after Twitter abuse
Referee Mark Halsey has made a complaint to Greater Manchester Police about insulting tweets directed at him.
Tweets sent after Manchester United’s 2-1 win at Liverpool on Sunday referred to the 51-year-old’s treatment for throat cancer in 2009.
Halsey drew criticism from Reds manager Brendan Rodgers after sending off Jonjo Shelvey for a first-half tackle.
Halsey told BBC Sport: “I can confirm that my family have made a complaint to the police.”
He added: “I will be speaking to the police on Wednesday after I have returned from refereeing Southampton v Sheffield Wednesday.”
101 beddersmag // Sep 24, 2012 at 4:59 PM
Some thoughts-
Krul to be kind. Granted willo is ridiculously slow but taylor and collo are both vey quick as centre halfs go imo.
Obertan is absolutley lightning no doubts about that one. Brainless at times mind and i assume lacks confidence.
Cabaye good player but currently not at races at the moment. Yes hes slow too.
Tiote macho lunatic who cant control himself at times but a beast who i love
Cisse needs a goal but still needs to try. Sick of him not even competing for headers hes six foot man. Santon much improved and obviously would be more comfortable on the right. As anita can play left back id consider switching them
102 tarie4 // Sep 24, 2012 at 5:00 PM
lukes26
Right…. He has been consistent in his performances this season, if collo produces his last seasons performance, so to cabaye, collo, krul and Cisse, there is no way we can’t reach the dizzy heights of Last season. We just need them to get up to speed by the man U home game in a couple weeks. Coz they will punish us. Against teams like Norwich reading etc one moment of brilliance is all U need to win, but man U, U need a major performance. If we step up and manage to beat man U again. The belief in the team and in the supporters will come back.(look what it did to Everton!!!) Just need to get all our major players back for that game. Its massive game, 1st things 1st, another grinded out 3 points against reading will do nicely.
103 Toon Tang // Sep 24, 2012 at 5:02 PM
whos gunna deal me in ??
104 check the toastie // Sep 24, 2012 at 5:15 PM
Think a lot of our best football was played last year when Guthrie started, the lad was underated for us, need someone to get on the ball in midfield, we are dreadful currently, considering the talent in our squad.
105 Big Pappa Cissé // Sep 24, 2012 at 5:27 PM
@ Check
I reckon it was like you said because we had two passers in the middle of the park. I think Anita can be the second passer beside Cabaye with Tiote sitting behind them, the Ba, Ben Arfa & Cisse up top
106 jesperfuglsang // Sep 24, 2012 at 5:27 PM
Beddersmag…is that name geordie?:-D
107 Ketsbaia9 // Sep 24, 2012 at 5:44 PM
Number 1 priority should be to get rid of Simpson, Williamson and Gosling in January and sign 6 new first team players.
I’d also accept a £20m bid for Cabaye as he doesn’t make enough forward runs. Yes he is technically gifted, but we could get £20m for Cabaye, sign Boudebouz for £5m and put Ben Arfa in Cabaye’s role.
108 FatmanJoe // Sep 24, 2012 at 6:31 PM
Yep. Take Ben arfa out of the role that he’s been most dangerous in and nullify our greatest threat this season.
Genius.
109 beddersmag // Sep 24, 2012 at 8:44 PM
Jesper
Its just Bedlington mag shortened mate. Little town just north of newcastle. Class myself as a geordie though
110 Munster Mag // Sep 24, 2012 at 8:54 PM
Tarie, you are FAR too generous to Santon. Look at the games more closely and see how he doesnt get close enough to his marker. If I’m not wrong, he wasnt close enough when Everton scored the other day. He consistently fails to get close enough to his winger. He has qualities that I have already outlined, but needs to improve defensively.
111 FatmanJoe // Sep 24, 2012 at 9:10 PM
Which goal munster? I also might be wrong but first goal was baines cutting from the left and 3-4 players who weren’t santon share that responsibility and the second was down to Taylor being slow on the uptake.
Can’t think of everton ever doing anything worthwhile against santon.
But I also might be wrong. It’s been known to happen. Once
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