Shane Ferguson gets only his 4th start in the Premier League, as he lines up at left back for Newcastle this afternoon against Manchester United, with Davide Santon switching over to right back.
We had expected Danny Simpson to come back in at right back, but he’s on the bench, so it’s a great opportunity for the in-form 21 year-old Irishman to shine this afternoon – in fact our full backs are both 21 year-olds today – one Irishman and one Italian.
Mike Williamson and James Perch are indeed the center-backs as Alan Pardew had said they would be, and both Demba Ba and Papiss Cisse start up front this afternoon.
So it’s an inexperienced and different back four this afternoon for Newcastle, and only Davide Santon is usually a starter in the back four, and he’s been switched to right back.
Simpson is on the bench having just returned from his hamstring strain and Colo and Steven Taylor still out injured.
Newcastle have a decent bench this afternoon too, and Alan will likely give run outs to at least Shola Ameobi and Gabby Obertan, who both had very good games on Thursday.
19 year-old goalkeeper Jak Alnwick is in the first team squad for the very first time, with both Tim Krul and Rob Elliot out injured.
David de Gea returns in goal and replaced Lindegarrd for the Red Devils and Robin van Persie, Danny Welbeck and Wayne Rooney all all in the starting eleven.
We need the win this afternoon – although that will be very difficult.
Howay The Lads!!
Newcastle United (4-4-2): Steve Harper; David Santon, Mike Williamson, James Perch, Shane Ferguson; Hatem Ben Arfa, Cheick Tiote, Yohan Cabaye, Jonas Gutierrez; Demba Ba, Papiss Cisse
Substitutes: Jak Alnwick, Danny Simpson, Vurnon Anita, Gael Bigirimana, Gabriel Obertan, Sammy Ameobi, Shola Ameobi
Manchester United: (4-2-3-1): David De Gea; Rafael, Rio Ferdinand, Jonny Evans, Patrice Evra (c); Tom Cleverley, Michael Carrick; Danny Welbeck, Wayne Rooney, Shinji Kagawa; Robin Van Persie
Substitutes: Anders Lindegaard, Scott Wootton Paul Scholes, Anderson, Ryan Giggs, Antonio Valencia, Javier Hernandez
Referee: Howard Webb (Yorkshire)
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437 responses so far ↓
1 BelfastMagpie // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:06 PM
No Colo or Taylor fs
2 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:06 PM
love santon at RB
wish we were being a bit more gung ho and playing 433
3 roshan MAGPIE // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:07 PM
attack attack attack
4 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:07 PM
last chance saloon for los dos dembas in a 442 i think
5 mattnufc // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:08 PM
De Gea, Rafeal, Ferdinand, Evans, Evra, Carrick, Cleverly, Kagawa, Welbeck, Rooney, Van Persie
6 allan666 // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:08 PM
bet obertans not happy
7 Twatter // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:11 PM
Shaney boy has earnt this. Good call to move Santon to RB, should be interesting to see what he can do there considering he is predominantly right-footed. I’ve always felt (despite what people say about LB being his natural position) he looks a little predictable there and always has to drift inwards when he attacks.
Key to the game is the midfield though. If Tiote and Cabaye can control that area and the two Dembas can combine when we attack I think we have every chance of winning here.
8 t00ntime // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:12 PM
Dont want to be a glass half empty guy and i will happily eat my words but i can see a 5-2 drubbing coming.
That back 4 looks awful.
Santon+fergie both cant defend (average at best) but like to go forward.
Perch has good games as lb/rb but is normally very average at CB
Williamson is just useless, sorry i always support our players but i cant remember him having a single game with no BIG mistakes. When ever the ball comes to him he has no control over it and makes me nervous whenever he has it. To make matters worse he is reckless with tackles, gives free kicks and penalties away for no reason.
Rooney+rvp VS williamson and perch? Rooney and rvP are going to win every time.
Sorry and again i will happily eat my words but i really can see them scoring 4/5 goals
9 Gateshead-Mag // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:12 PM
strong man utd line up!!
just creamed at the prospect of santon and hba linking up!
10 toonbrother // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:12 PM
Ferguson at left back is a mistake.
11 MykToonFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:12 PM
Any particularly good streams gents?
12 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:15 PM
hoping, if fergie is being overrun, pards just makes a simple switch of either putting guti back there or bringing anita on to give fergie more options to move the ball, switching it to a 433
13 Twatter // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:16 PM
@8 I don’t really understand how you can slag off Fergie, he’s played four games for us. Williamson was our best player against Norwich and despite the occasional mistake, I think I’d prefer him over a fit Saylor in his current form. Saylor hasn’t been very solid at all since returning.
Anyway, the simple fact of the matter is if we don’t let them play in the midfield, there’s no way they’ll be able to exploit our defence whatever you think about it. Tiote and Cabaye both look sharp, have a bit more faith man.
14 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:16 PM
still don’t think that CB partnership could have been any more complimentary to us than that
we can exploit, for sure. it’s more a matter of if we can defend
15 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:18 PM
Omg is pards serious fergies first game at lb against man u. Guti will have to be back all the time covering him I can see us getting smashed!
16 Toon1978 // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:18 PM
S.Ferguson has played parts in the last 3 games and set up 3 goals. What more do we actually want from the lad lol?
17 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:18 PM
Over the moon Fergy has been given a chance, just a bit unfortunate he has no great strength in central defence to talk him through the game, would be much more comfortable him starting with Colo and Saylor, but nice to see Pards chucking him in.
Hope we line up 4231 or something a bit different, think with 442 we have the same old problem of linking with the front 2, Mr T and Cabaye are going to have to have massive games. fingers crossed.
18 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:18 PM
twatter
i agree. saylor’s hardly been at the level he was beginning of last year
but i’ll take an out of form saylor versus an ‘in form’ willo any day of the year
19 colwell // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM
Rio and Evans are a tad better than Perch and Willo.
Guti better be playing in middle with Tiote today otherwise it is pointless him playing.
Santon and HBA are going to rip Evra a new one today can’t wait.
20 Twatter // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:20 PM
I think Guti will cover Fergie – we might even see them swapping their positions. People need to relax. Ask the questions after we play, not before.
Fergie’s assisted 3 in 3, he deserves a start.
21 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:20 PM
and no colo or ST when you have both your cbs and are playing a lesser team at home thats when you start fergie omg 0-3!
22 Mister Tuff // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:21 PM
I’m a bit nervous with Fergie at fullback -if we start positive by a full onslaught of attacking play -Fergie -may be ok. Defensive qualities at this level are not known. Bit of a gamble by Pardew. If we gel today -I’ll stick to my previous prediction 3-2 to Newcastle with Benny scoring a scorcher.
23 Toon1978 // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:21 PM
Lol, Ferguson is actually better now then what he was last season.
24 Burni // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:21 PM
im not sure if this is good or bad……. fergo, in my opinion is not a good left back, he is an excellent LM but he seems to not commit in his challenges.
i really rate this guy and hope he can prove me wrong but i have to think why not play simmo against manu as he has the experience that I think is needed.
only time will tell, and I still optimistically say 2-1 to us!
HTL!!!!
25 Dukis22lt // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:22 PM
Hope to see more crosses coming in from these fullbacks today, also want to see Ba and Cisse winning more balls in the air. In Pardew we trust.
26 MacToon // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:22 PM
mmmm, our defence looks a little experimental to say the least but mf and forwards are as strong as we could expect. Aslong as Rooney and RVP don’t get the ball we should be ok.
Wonga…… sigh.
Let’s hope we put in a good performance today as the world will be watching.
Howay the Lads
27 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:22 PM
gotta hope valencia has a bad one because he could tear fergie a new one
28 t00ntime // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:22 PM
@twatter i never slagged fergie off. I think most agree like santon his best att is going forward. With jonas helping defend it might not be that bad but imo fergie is a better LM then LB.
Williamson+perch as a partnership were all over the place against reading.
I said i wud happily eat my words and i hope i have too. But man utd are tough with a full strength back 5 never mind a full bteam back 5
29 Gateshead-Mag // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM
people that are saying fergie is shite at left back?? cant remember seeing him do anything wrong of great note
how can you make that judgement anyway how many times have you seen him play there??
30 Toon1978 // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM
Only criticism i have of Fergy is his size. He need’s a few McDonalds to fatten him up lol.
31 WWYCD // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM
Very attacking worked for Spurs against Man Utd but could be a different story. Have a feeling it will be a long evening for the mags
32 Gateshead-Mag // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM
i take it the build up starts at half past, anyone with a working link to the build up please post as soon as you get it up
33 Slank // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM
If we think our back four is weak so do ManU fans with their own back four but also their midfield too who they think will be outmatched by Tiote and Cabaye.
Hard game to predict.
34 Shane // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM
G’wannn wee Fergieee!
35 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM
Would like to have seen Shola start if it is to be 4-4-2, think he would totally dominate Evans on current form. So glad Fergy is starting. Really hope he turns in a good performance and the back 4 keep a clean sheet (unlikely), so there’s no reason for AP to revert to Simpson.
Plenty of goals in this one.
36 Toon1978 // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM
Any links lads?
37 Burni // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:25 PM
mister tuff, I feel like you know me haha
38 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:25 PM
I will look at the positives fergie and santoon can knock in more crosses and man u defence is shite so ba and cisse could have a field day!
39 Burni // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:25 PM
toon1978 sopcast mate, u will find a couple of very good quality links on there
40 Gateshead-Mag // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:25 PM
timkrulfan
i highly doubt valencia will be ripping anyone a new one today
41 Burni // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:27 PM
ruddy, simmo is what has been missing from this team nearly every game. obviously not just him but you get what I mean
42 niafron // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:27 PM
Bonjour messieurs.
43 Toon1978 // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:27 PM
Burni
Cheers mate.
44 Gateshead-Mag // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:28 PM
niafron
alright mate
how was the bordeux game reported over in france then??
45 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:28 PM
@Gateshead
Have you seen Valencia on a good day?
46 Gateshead-Mag // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:28 PM
timkrulfan
i have mate but he aint playing today hahaha
47 Burni // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:29 PM
tkf valenica is injured haha
48 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:29 PM
Oh thank god!
49 MykToonFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:30 PM
Valencia isn’t playing…
50 Burni // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:30 PM
also gateshead,
Ive seen fergie at left back since he joined playing in the reservces and a few times over the last few seasons in the first team. I wouldnt say he was shite as you delicately put it but id much rather have simmo rb and santoon lb personally.
51 Cool Hand Luke // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:31 PM
toon1978 go to wiziwig.com there will be a whole pile of links. The sopcast ones are the best, flash players are a little unlreliable at times. If bloodzeed is showing the match, which i suspect he will then use his link, its like watching sky HD!
52 Munster Mag // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:31 PM
I like santon at right back, although I hope the two fullback dont get overrun. It looks over ambitious, but I’m guessing Pards knows we have to score goals. I want Santon at right back but am a bit concerned tbh.
53 catchy in norway // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:32 PM
firstly
obertan,, had his best game in a black and white shirt the other day,, but that is the only time iv seen anything good about him,, but he was the same at man u,, but but well done all the same,,
main point now
iv been saying for a while now fergy left back santon right back, but,, this seems the wrong time to do so, as both santon and fergy are to attack minded, and with these 2 @ CB are hopeless and need help, esp against RVP and rodney,,
i can only seen this working if he has hhis 3 normal DMF jonas tiote cabaye sitting in front of them, HBA sitting just behind CISSE and BA, wing backs flying forward
I dont fear Man U, we are at home,, and we do have a goal threat ourselfs,, should be a good game anyway
please no long ball stuff
54 Marty-Toon // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:32 PM
Hard to tell what way utd’s midfield will be set up
55 Cool Hand Luke // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:33 PM
Munster Mag he didnt look too clever at RB in the pre season, hopefully that was just a lack of match practice.
56 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:33 PM
i don’t like fergie at LB nor think that’s his best position (it’s LW, imo)
but i’m not worried either. he deserves it
57 Gateshead-Mag // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:34 PM
burni
fair enough mate but i think alot of people on here make judgements without actually having grounds for it, the fact that hes slight of build being a major reason behind it.
granted filling out might help him but surely if your good your good no-matter what your build ie collocini isnt exactly the big bustling centre back, perch for that matter despite what some people say has had some very good games at cb
58 Cool Hand Luke // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:34 PM
Im hoping its actually a 4-3-3 with Jonas as a box to box mid. Hes useless at left wing these days
59 Marty-Toon // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:34 PM
Rooney as usual will be hard to pick up,it’ll be tiotes job I’m sure.
But they could have 3up front with that line up and it’ll be difficult for our Cb’s to pick up.
Gonna be a tough game but we will score today
60 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Defo feel Jonas will Babysit Fergy and down our left will be fine, however more concerned with Santon and Benny down our right, Santon needs to be a little more disciplined today, however, like the fact Pardew is going for it though.
My oh my Ray Wilkins is commentating on our game, oh i can sense him winding me right up.
61 BelfastMagpie // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Would of played Fergie lw & Simpson Rb.
62 niafron // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Fergie on the left, Santon on the right, my dreams come true.
Let’s hope it will work.
One question;
Will the lads play in the traditional 4-4-2 or will Pard try something very different?
Like:
-Beny behind the two stikers.
-Jonas playing center pitch with Cabaye.
- Tioté coming back when we got the ball
- Santon and Fergie playing like wingers.
Wich would look like a 3-5-2 when we got the ball and a 4-3-1-2 when we are in defense.
This polyvent tactic with a switch of positions between the 6 and the Side backs was introduced during the last world cup by Chili if i don’t make mistakes, but maybe some of you remember older tacticals experiences of that kind?
63 Dannyo // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:37 PM
@WWYCD
Think about Santon, Fergy able to assist, HBA able, Cabaye able, Ba, Cisse scorers, Tiote is back to his best…
I really have a tough time calling this, i just know there will be goals if anything…
64 Cool Hand Luke // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:37 PM
steaming links
http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=172533&part=sports
65 niafron // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:38 PM
@GATESHEAD-MAG
As a butchery!
But people tend to consider it do not make alot of sense at this stage of the competition.
66 Colo-Sus // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:38 PM
Ferguson, is a big mistake for me…ike him alot but defensively hes not naive in my view…..against Man U, you play your strong experienced players……Not Hopeful with Perch v Van Persie either……I can see us getting stuffed today.
Should have played
==============Harper============
Simo=====Wilo======perch====Santon
========Tiote=======Bigi=========
HBA========Cabaye==========Jonas
=============Ba=================
67 Rowan Milsted // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:40 PM
Christ. Rooney, RVP, Welbeck and Kagawa all in the starting 11. Here comes the nervous feeling. Disappointed to see Marveaux isn’t even in the squad. Is he injured again?
68 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Perch needs to ‘make his mark’ on RVP early. More worried about Willo tbh, he’s good at bread and butter defending, but clever movement, turns etc and he’s often left wanting.
69 BelfastMagpie // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Jonas on the wing with 4-4-2 is useless.
As we’ve seen in previous games.
Maybe Jonas will play left back?
We’ll find out sõon enough.
70 Colo-Sus // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:43 PM
Rowan
no marveaux is just out of form and has showed no belief or desire this season,fully deserves to be dropped.
HOPE WE WIN TODAY
HWTL
71 Dannyo // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:43 PM
@BelfastMagpie
It’s a formation which’ll be transformed to 4-3-3 by HBA on attack me thinks…
72 geordiejosh // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:43 PM
Channel – 132927
very good sopcast channel
73 Colo-Sus // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:44 PM
Perch and Tiote need to Smash RVP early on…..get into Kagawa as well,,,,,,,,BOOOOOOM
74 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:44 PM
Don’t know why we always have to start 442 ad then realise when it’s too late we actually play far better in a 433 as we did on Thursday night.
I know we beat Stoke and Manu with 442 but those apart I really struggle to remember us playing well in a 442.
Thrilled that Fergie plays and we are trying Santon on the right. However, Fergie should swap with Guti and let Guti try and defend at left back.
Can’t believe we ditched a great company like Virgin for absolute scum like Wonga for supposedly less money. At this rate I’ll be siding wiht Solano!!
75 gonufc (up and Hatem) // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Ray Wilkins? I thought he was “let go”?
Jesus, 90 minutes. “My word.”, “he IS a player”, “that was a TAD naughty”etc.
He’s the worst of them all.
76 WWYCD // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Dannyo
Asking for a lot of stars to align mate haha. We will see though should be a Keagan style game which is always entertaining
Hope Tiote doesn’t fanny around our box with the ball too often Man Utd will punish him if he does and I don’t want to get angry with him AGAIN
77 catchy in norway // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:46 PM
mattyNUFC
i like fergy further up the pitch,,
i dont like how jonas is still in the team, his form for the last year does not warrent it,
marv not on the bench
shola and sammy only attcking options on the bench, is poor too
bigi and anita on there??? with simpson dont get it,, would have thought anita could cover both CM and RB ,
santon can play in CD should he be needed
bench is way to defensive for me
78 Rowan Milsted // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:46 PM
Colo-Sus
It’s odd, he shows moments of utter quality but often fades out of games. I wonder if he’s still struggling with fitness – was injured when we bought him and got injured again soon after. I like him personally, think he could be a very good player but I take your point that we’ve seen very little from him so far this season. I wouldn’t give up on him just yet though
79 Munster Mag // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:46 PM
Colo Sus, nice team!
80 Dannyo // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:49 PM
@WWYCD
Hehe, one can always hope
Well, watching the last few games, despite results, u can see more and more players emerging on form.
Cabaye, Tiote, Ba, Fergy, Santon…
Then we have played allot of youngsters too, which helps them slide into the team without much of a hickup.
Which i think is a huge benefit btw, and they way AP is juggling cups and Euros will help us in laters stages of the season.
Deffo an interesting game.
81 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:52 PM
catchy
i agree but it is what it is. just hoping for a good performance. win or lose, i want to see how we play v bordeaux
82 WWYCD // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Dannyo
If we can control the midfield the games ours for the taking but Cabs, Tiote and Jonas will all have to play blinders against some of the best in the league (possibly world)
Could be a fun game to watch…or just very painful
83 catchy in norway // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:54 PM
i agree with that,,
feeling lucky today
84 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Hope we dont get overrun in midfield, Man Utd are going to have a boat load of players dropping into holes and linking up play, Mr T and Cabs are going to be pretty busy, we need a good start, however they are a bit soft at the back themselves, carrick and cleverly arnt that great at protecting their back 4, hope benny can get at them.
Should be a nerve jangler eh……..
85 MacToon // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:57 PM
I’d be surprised if it finishes 0-0
86 Dannyo // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:58 PM
Mark Douglas ?@MsiDouglas
Wonga not in the frame for stadium sponsorship at #nufc. Get the impression the club are looking for a global brand.
That’s the 3rd journo i’ve seen say this today.
Atleast the part where Wonga will have no say on stadium name.
87 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:58 PM
Love how Cisse just took the ball boy to shake the Man U player’s hands!
Looked like he was about to burst!
88 Dannyo // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:59 PM
@WWYCD
Been a while since i’ve been this nervous before a game…
89 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:59 PM
me too, catchy in norway, me too
something in the air. think me might snatch this one!
90 ONLINE GUY // Oct 7, 2012 at 3:59 PM
RVP and Rooney will fancy a goal or two against Willo and Perch
Willo is really nervous center back to start with
Perch Gives a lot of effort but positional he needs educated .
Leaving Simmo out is a big mistake , you do need that exp against the likes of Man U .
Gutti better watch Fergies back in this one
Summing up ..I fear the novice defence will be overrun
Praying I am wrong .
Dreamt 4-1 to the town !
91 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:00 PM
The fact that we now have players in our team that could cause Man Utd big problems is a sign of how far we have come, i remember those awful Souness days with Nicky Butt playing and other years when the result was pretty much decided before kick off.
Why have they got Wilkins on, totally biased, At Least Neville is commentating, bizarrely i get the impression he quite likes us, and will not be biased even though he is the biggest Manc going.
92 niafron // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:01 PM
I even got the comment in french!
93 WWYCD // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:02 PM
Dannyo
Haha really am quite calm though I am expecting a defeat tbf
94 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Teams almost always start with a higher intensity than us
95 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:06 PM
meant to post this earlier, wonder how long it takes for Pardew to change the formation…….
96 niafron // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM
Well, not a good start…
97 Toonacious T // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM
We have definitely started on the back foot here. That was coming. Half asleep.
98 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM
Shouldn’t be long judging by this, Check. Chasing shadows. Need to smother them like last season.
As I type this they score. We really need to sort out how we start games, it’s costing us massively this season.
99 colwell // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM
We are in for a spanking.
100 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Has the feel of the first-half against Arsenal in the 4-4 match.
101 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Terrible marking!
Why cant we mark set pieces???
102 niafron // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:10 PM
It seem obvious Pard decided to start with the team very low on the pitch.
So our game plan is done…
103 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM
not impressed with how howard webb has started, he is dodgy.
104 p // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM
Yes 99, it looks like we are in for a spanking
105 ilovetoon8788 // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:12 PM
We are a long long away from playing the football required to match top teams. Pathetic.
106 colwell // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:12 PM
Harper you use less old sod
107 Tommyy // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Pretty awful start, do we train during the week or just lump footballs up the pitch?
108 niafron // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:13 PM
…
109 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM
Disgusting performance so far. I’m tired of Pardew and his tactic of feeling our way into games and putting emphasis on control, often cannot be done in the hustle and bustle of the PL. This being the latest example on our doorstep.
110 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM
Shocking really bad no need to even go back to the keeper unfortunatly it looks as though we need simmo on and santon back to lb cos fergy is not a lb, lw yes but not lb has no positional sense at all
111 colwell // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM
Tiote deffo getting sent off today
112 p // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Really, they are having one of those game – not what can be done
113 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:16 PM
oh dear………….
114 colwell // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:16 PM
F#ck sake 8 nil here we come
115 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:16 PM
No one marking again disgusting
116 Tommyy // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:16 PM
I’m wanting to laugh. We have been abysmal this season.
117 niafron // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM
So we know what will be the subject of the next training session…
118 indian // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM
I don’t know if I can watch this anymore …
119 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM
Then when we’re being overrun because of bad preparation and mindset, we usually take until half-time to recover from the ‘shock’ of the desire and aggression of the other team.
Been saying this since the start of the season and I’m not paid to tend to these matters full-time. Inept.
120 t00ntime // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM
Dont like saying it but i told u so
121 ilovetoon8788 // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM
This is not a game we are awful. We have been awful all season and this spanking is what we deserve. Rubbish.
122 Hatem's better than Messi // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM
Penny pinching by Llambias to blame.
We still haven’t replaced Sol Campbell – 3 windows no CB bought.
123 Vex // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:18 PM
LOL. What is this? Seriously it’s hard not to laugh, this is one of the worst starts I’ve ever seen. Hopefully we can get back into the game but… it’s truly laughable.
124 Honoured2BNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:18 PM
Appalled by our defending so far.
125 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:19 PM
Tommyy
Aye, it’s taken a top team in their stride to really highlight it, the symptoms have been there since the outset.
126 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:19 PM
we really do look like we have no idea what we want to do, no idea of what type of football we are trying to play, its all a bit embarrassing really.
127 mattnufc // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:19 PM
Need an extra body in midfield.
128 Tommyy // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:19 PM
Niafron … on this evidence we don’t train.
129 geordie157 // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:19 PM
Trying not to be too negative but this has been coming for Weeks. Centre back is still a major issue, 442 does not work
130 ilovetoon8788 // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:19 PM
Blame the management. No QUALITY Cb brought in. We deserve this.
131 indian // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM
It’s so painful and shocking ….god !
132 archaeomag // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM
It is the Curse of Wonga . . .
133 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM
Oh dear 442 not working, Willo shite, bloody goundhog day
134 Magpies-till-d3ath // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM
I’m f**king done with even hoping for this apparent football team! This is the worst team in the league and relegation is imminent!
135 Vex // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:20 PM
Hoof the ball hoof the ball hoof the ball!
If we’re gonna do that at least put Ameobi on.
136 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:21 PM
There’s the old predictable formation change, its great how we change formation every game, as we can never impose ourselves.
137 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Lafs i really dont think 442 or 433 has any bearing on our inability to defend corners!!
Altough i think its been shown enough this season if we play a 442 we need to start shola
138 geordie157 // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Obertan will come on and save us, Jonas us a waste of space this season
139 indian // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:23 PM
I really want to be positive ….but this is pathetic …im ashamed
140 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM
get simpson on for willo will probs win more in the air!!!!
141 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM
Cant blame 442 for willo not being able to JUMP!
142 ToonDownSouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM
How a player like Williamson can get into the PL, without the ability to control, dribble or pass the ball, is pretty symptomatic of the problems in th English game.
143 Vex // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM
We’re getting into the game now.. but Williamson… Ugh.. he makes me cringe D:
144 ppb // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM
@magpies til death i hope you’re joking. same points as arsenal and spurs before this weekend. missing our first team cbs. both. get a grip man
145 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM
LOL
Just seen the first goal again who put fergie on the post he’s only about 4f tall!!
146 catchy in norway // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:27 PM
this is why i dont like pardew as a manager,,
he says one thing and his team set up say another
do we play with midfielders????
147 MagPieMan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:28 PM
Why the f is ferguson at left back? He can’t defend at all. Never knows where the winger is and is much better at left wing. Very stupid by Pardew in my eyes. To play him against man u, why not play Simpson?
148 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Can someone name something positive about willo?
149 geordie157 // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:29 PM
My biggest fear is a big offer in Jan coming in for Ben arfa, it would be like watching stoke every week without him!
150 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:29 PM
You can blame 442 for us being totally over run in midfield. CISSE & BA DON’T WORK IN A 442
151 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:30 PM
Wait I got one he makes are other defenders look better so we can sell them for more!!!
152 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:30 PM
TDS
Have to say i normally defend willo but the first goal was entirely him from getting shameful beaten to a nothing ball by RVP to completly loosing his man from the resulting corner
153 geordie157 // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:31 PM
If we can get back to 2-1 we can win this, as pards will change things at half time.
154 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:32 PM
Rotonda
Yeah but has fcuk all to do with 2 weak goals to concede
155 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:32 PM
it takes two goals for us to start playing football but man u wont throw this away!
156 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM
harper
santon ? ? Jonas
Anita Cabs Tiote
Benny Ba Fergie
157 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:33 PM
Howard webb is a F*cking Pr*ck
158 geordie157 // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM
I hate this ref! That was great pressure by tiote
159 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Tiote is going to get sent off, for sure……….
160 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Someone needs to slap tiote he’s a liability this season even more so if hes honna pick up stupid bookings like that
161 breno95 // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Willo tries his best. There that is a positive.
Unfortunately wrong line up sent out.
44 bloody 2 is shite as it means we cannot get the best out of Cabaye and Ben Arfa and others.
Can’t believe Simpson on bench. You are either fit or not.
Poor management decisions and not being able to get in the defensive players in summer biting back big time now.
162 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:35 PM
TADS
if we weren’t being over run without the extra man in the miiddle we may not have conceded 2 corners
163 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:35 PM
Toon army what the hell did he do wrong there!
164 niafron // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:35 PM
This is hot…
165 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Breno95
No he does not hes a cocky prat!
166 Toonacious T // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:36 PM
why do we have to wait until we are two nil down to show some fight? Ashley’s penny pinching with buying defenders is gonna cost more money in league placings lost in the long run. I understand sustainable growth but believing u can get bye in this league with williamson n perch at cb, delusional imo.
167 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Typical. It takes for us to go 2 down to switch on and recognise we’re in a highly competitive football match. Think Pardew overestimates his and the teams ability to dictate the tempo of the game. Perhaps in Europe, but in the PL you have to be ready to match the inevitable high intensity from the first whistle. We’re failing massively in that area this season and we need to remedy it, it’s the common denominator, regardless of personnel.
168 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:37 PM
Why isnt marveaux on the bench btw?
169 shay Robson // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:37 PM
all of the links i have usedd and kept freezing please post a working link
170 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:38 PM
When was the last time we scored from a set piece we need another set peice taker cabaye is awfull at them !
171 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:39 PM
toonacious
penny pinching? – we have a 7M player on the bench
172 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:39 PM
Rotonda
Were not bieng overun in the middle though nearly all the pressure has come down the left they have targeted fergy as a weak link and there right he’s bieng done all over the place and tbh has been poor going forward guti is screaming at him to start making some runs the lads got lost in the occasion of the game
173 ToonDownSouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:40 PM
Why do we not get a specialist set pieces coach in?
We’re embarassingly bad at both attacking and defending them…
174 Vex // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:40 PM
We’re not playing badly but we’re not actually making clear cut chances at the moment.. we need to start making some this season.
175 shay Robson // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:40 PM
sorry tried 30 sites so far
176 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:40 PM
In Jan if we dont buy a Cb I will not watch a game willo is playing!
177 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Anita on for cisse and 433
178 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Must admit we are dogging on them!! but look at the score line!
179 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM
played pretty well since we gone 2 goals down, nice tackle jonas
180 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:43 PM
TADS
I think Pards was stupid playing Fergie at LB
181 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:43 PM
I wouldnt change anything at half time this is the best we have been all season (after second goal)
182 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:43 PM
Don’t think Guti likes Man U, ever since his debut he’s been roughing them up.
183 shay Robson // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:43 PM
the link i am on now keeps freezing. and loud popping noises
184 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:44 PM
shit its a corner……
185 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:44 PM
Rotonda
Not gonna disagree with that the lad is seriously out of his depth back there
186 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Wow another corner we havent marked up who leaves rooney unmarked on the back post ffs!!!
187 ToonDownSouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:45 PM
How many times can we start off playing rubbish, then Pardew switches tactics and we dominate?
It’s groundhog day, every single weekend, almost without fail.
188 Vex // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Fergie is a great player but he is really out of his depth in this game, he’s pretty scared to give balls away so is playing it safe mostly.
189 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:45 PM
HBA been quiet need more second half
190 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Fergy is blameless for both goals, just dont get why people would say it was a bad selection, the lad has done fine.
191 colwell // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:46 PM
Fergie looks lost today
192 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:47 PM
Cabs and benny just can’t play in this 442.
Get Anita on for Ba or cisse
Switch Guti and Fergie
193 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:47 PM
last thing we want is this half to end man u are all over the place we need a goal soon.
194 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:48 PM
oh sh*t a corner!
195 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:49 PM
check
I wanted fergie just not in that position against united!
196 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:50 PM
Check no one said he was at fault for the goals they were corners!
But hes been poor rafeal and kagawa have spent the first half simply dragging him out of position allowing the overlap and then going forward hes been poor to the point jonas has to remind him that to actually move forward you need to run the lads lost and has probably had all his confidence sucked out of him
197 Vex // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:50 PM
4-3-3, put Obertan and Ameobi on. Personally I think that’d work.
198 niafron // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:50 PM
What a game!
Well, we’re in a bad shape, but at least we reacted well. Lot of chances, if we could score this damn goal…
199 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:51 PM
bit of a shame that, dont know why it takes us 15minutes before we start to put pressure on the ball higher up the pitch,
First 15mins, every midfielder just sat in front of the back 4 and invited pressure, Pardew needs to give his head a serious shake before games and get the lads fired up.
200 Tommyy // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:51 PM
We are not a team, just a bunch of individuals. Some better than others.
201 Toonacious T // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:51 PM
Rotonda
Yeah, penny pinching. I am sure we had one of the lowest net spends of any team in the PL. The fact we spent £6.6m on Anita, a type of player we have less need for than a cb, just makes it more perplexing. Maybe Ashley seen more sell on value in him than the cb’s we were looking at but even the dogs on the streets know our priority need is at cb.
202 Vex // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:51 PM
@194
That’s what I’ve been feeling watching him, it looks like his confidence is just been sucked outta him, for that reason I’d give the lad a break and sub him off.
203 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:51 PM
Well, Pardew and his perverse attachment to 4-4-2 and his inability/decision not to fire up our team from the outset, is the reason there’s a 2 goal deficit.
204 BartZ // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:52 PM
@ 188
Agree with you, he ain’t done much wrong but he also hasnt done much , probably bricking it like most people would with only a handful of prem games played. I am sure if he managed to get past a player and whip in a good ball it would lift his confidence so much
205 BelfastMagpie // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:52 PM
Awful marking on corners.
206 toonking // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:55 PM
well after going 2-0 down we again change totally does this not give the impression pardew is obsessed with setting a team up for draws in league games.
after the midweek game i thought we would finally be getting agressive from first wistle but no it took 2 goals.
207 BartZ // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:55 PM
Not sure if Pardew will bring Shola on… Think he is saving that hat-trick for Sunderland
208 breno95 // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:55 PM
TKF
Disagree. Do you honestly believe he goes on to a pitch with an attitude not to try. Don’t think so. Problem is he needs a good CB alongside him as he is not a good enough player to be the lead CB.
Anita should have started as should Simpson and due to recent form Cisse should have been on bench.
209 Cool Hand Luke // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Phew! what a half. 2-0 down but we are playing some nice stuff. Unfortunately Alex Ferguson has cottoned on to our slow starts and had his team gamble on coming out pf the blocks flying, theres no way they could have kept that pace up, but they now have a 2-0 cushion. I predict a cracking 2nd half with us laying siege to their box. I think if Colo and Saylor had have been on it would be a very different scoreline. Those 2 goals were the result of the lack of defensive organisation.
210 darthkir // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Again 442…
211 Brutooon // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Williamson – Championship Quality
Perch – Championship Quality
Both Perch and Williamson at Centre Back = Championship Quality
212 WTF // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Bring Simpons to right and put back Santon at left….
213 Toon1978 // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Time for Pardew to grow a set of balls and drop either Cisse or BA.They can’t play up front together, simple as that. Also, this is what happens when you lack any depth at the back. No CB in the summer so now we are paying the price. Good practice by the board there mind.
214 shay Robson // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:56 PM
finially have a working link. that wa a nightmare 45 trying to watch it
215 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Its just typical whinging, the lad gets a chance and then at the first opportunity ‘fans’ jump down the lads throat and look for every negative, he has been neat and tidy on the ball, he isnt the first and wont be the last to have Rafeal and kagawa overlapping him.
Give the lad at least a chance, yep seen Jonas telling him to go down the wing, clearly he is unsure at maybe whether he allowed to gallop forward leaving a hole, hopefully he will just be given license to do it 2nd half. Gotta say 442 with Jonas LW has been proved to be seriously flawed, please dont pick it again Pardew. People asking for Simpson have lost the plot.
216 Wandering Geordie // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:57 PM
Slow out of the blocks again.Hopefully second half we will be more passionate.
217 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:58 PM
433 would not have stopped those corner going in!
218 Toon1978 // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:58 PM
How RVP has not been sent off is beyond mind. Although H.Webb is a bit a a Manure lover.
219 Badladbudgie // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:58 PM
Oh well at least we have the name change of the stadium to look forward to wonga park….
220 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 4:58 PM
Players worse than Ferguson that half:
Williamson
Perch
Tiote (biggest liability on our team and more overrated than The Beatles)
221 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:01 PM
Check
Not at all this is not and should never of been the first match to start him in this season with a patched up back 4 they have targeted him and its paying off if he’s gonna start put him LW cos he is not a defender simmo should of started rb santoon shoulda stayed lb and fergie shoulda come on second half like all our youngsters we seem to pick terrible games to start them in and trash there confidence
222 JDdubai // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:01 PM
Tiote liability, has been all season. Some people have rose tinted glasses with him, but actual effect in games has been zero. Plus he is more and more injured at the moment too, honestly if we could get 20 mill I would consider selling.
We all know 4-4-2 doesnt work with Ba and Cisse up front as every long ball comes straight back, need Shola for 4-4-2. Also it was clear after 5 mins that Man U werent playing 442 and have Rooney, RVP and Welbeck playing all over the place, should have gone to 4-3-3 or whatever to protect between defence and midfield.
Changes:
Shola for Cisse if sticking with 442
If not then Cisse off and someone else on, dont care who.
223 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:02 PM
TKF
No, it’s more this false sense of security we seem to lull ourselves into before the start, like other teams are just going to yield to our preference to start with a slow tempo, despite the contrary catching us out week after week.
224 NUFC STEVE // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:02 PM
Gutierrez and Cisse off-
BIGI and obertan on
225 lukes26 // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:03 PM
Apart from the first 15 minutes, newcastle weren’t that bad.
Manchester tried to exploit Shane on the left..most attacks came his way. Ferguson didnt seem as confident as he did on Thursday.
The problem is obviously the CB’s & Jonas’s CM defensive abilities are not as instinctive as his left wing abilities.
I have no idea where Cabaye is supposed to be playing…Santon is isolated on the right, no one to link with
I think it’s Ameobi time. Need to win those balls in the final third.
Manchester are vulnerable, but I feel we need 3 goals in the second half to get a point.
226 spitfire_ // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:03 PM
Fabulous game so far… Good tactic in the begining to invite manure in our penalty area. It works… for them.
227 mot7 // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:03 PM
zonal marking is a total joke guti just let evra run what a f****** joke pub football defending. long punts upto the dembas never going to work why not play football on the grass so our best players can have some influence .
228 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM
Ruddy
The difference is fergie is the only one where we have another player to play his position!
229 BartZ // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM
We can cope with Williamson at CB against poorer teams but not united. Even on that lost corner Evans lost him no problem. It’s just school boy defending
230 p // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM
Much better after the usual shell shocked first 15. Still lacking form from cisse, he is a passenger again.
231 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM
Tim Krulfan – maybe we wouldnt have been overran in the first 15minutes if we had packed the middle of the pitch and pressed higher up the pitch, Corners were given away as we were getting tortured, Pardew changes starting formation for every game nearly and then changes the formation during every game, stinks of him having no idea what he is trying to do.
tommy had it spot on, a collection of very talented individuals currently, not a team at all, Pardew is lucky he has so much forward talent at his disposal saving his bacon. Have never been convinced with Pardew as people know, we still have a chance mind.
232 toonking // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM
i think pardew did a costly mistake playing ferguson today, the reason for this has nothing to do with ferguson himself, it is down to the fact that we are missing 3 main defenders including keeper plus today we are playing a top 4 team not a midtable or relegation team pardew should have let him have a run last saturday or waited for WBA.
233 Cool Hand Luke // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM
We were playing 4-3-3 since the second goal with HBA as a left sided striker, why is everyone calling for a formation change from 4-4-2?
234 NUFC STEVE // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:05 PM
People have to cop on!! We all seen wat we are like without tiote!!! He’s our main player!! Reason he’s been shite is because he’s the only one trying to get a foot in!!!
235 shay Robson // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:05 PM
come on guys, game on…..
236 Badladbudgie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:05 PM
Gutierrez is playing ok need hba behind the strikers to create something, obertan pace would also be handy along with 3 goals
237 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:06 PM
Tbh dont know why people are picking on fergie hes been ok a lot better than I thought he would!
238 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:09 PM
Omg cisse omg!!!!
239 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:10 PM
F** off that was in all day!!!! Cisse next time bury the f***g thing
240 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:11 PM
Cisse you have to bury them
241 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:11 PM
What a poor header by cisse
242 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:12 PM
bloody stream froze was it over?
243 Vex // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:12 PM
That should have gone in either way… Nice to know half time talk worked again!
244 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:13 PM
Rotonda
Didnt look fully over tbf but still pissed!
245 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:13 PM
Dont think so they havent showed a proper replay
246 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:14 PM
The goal has to come soon we have played insane
247 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:15 PM
Dont know why cisse is playing so wide need our st’s in the box like!
248 mot7 // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:15 PM
cisse is a waste of time outside the box
249 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:16 PM
Need someone with a genuine aerial presence in their box, someone to make them panic each time a cross is whipped in, drawing attention of more than a single player. Shola. Will obviously give us a focal pint too.
250 colwell // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:16 PM
Time for Oba
251 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:16 PM
Get shola on de gea cant cope with crosses
252 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:17 PM
Howard Webb is annoying the shit out of me.
Got a bad feeling about Valencia.
253 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:17 PM
Ffs wilo just get rid dont do a 3 yard back pass with van persie on your shoulder
254 Badladbudgie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:18 PM
Better football anyway
255 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:18 PM
where are cabaye and HBA come on boys!!!
256 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:19 PM
Need shola
257 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:20 PM
anyone see when rooney got in the box how poor willo was hes so slow it hurts
258 Toonacious T // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:20 PM
Little and large are coming on!
259 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:22 PM
back to 442 we go.
260 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:22 PM
Really hope jonas is going lb
261 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:23 PM
Looka at what a bit of patience and MOVEMENT does.
Come on big lad, show them whose turf it is!
262 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:24 PM
Good Jonas is now LB. Love the way our players all seem to play about 8 different positions in 90 minutes, some of them will be dizzy.
263 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:26 PM
What a suprise corner willo free kick
264 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:27 PM
check
we have tiote cabs and anita as a middle 3 now
Surprise surprise willo pushing again!!
265 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:27 PM
Great work from jonas there
266 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:27 PM
what is willo thinking about on set pieces, can he not just compete without fouling.
267 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:28 PM
Iam about 5,10 and I reckon I could out jump willo
268 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:29 PM
Wish all our players showed Jonas spirit and will to win.
269 mot7 // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:29 PM
willo thik as pig sh*t
270 davis_toons // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:29 PM
Shane Ferguson is not ready. Now we know why he did not get games
271 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM
OMFG
272 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM
Perchy has played well again, shame he has to put up with Willo next to him. Jonas looks good full back as well, think that is his position now.
Oh my god Harps what are you doing…………
273 mot7 // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM
what a goal
274 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM
Ffs nout harps could do about that
275 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM
Harper is dog
276 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM
my mistake that was a fluky goal, no blame for harps.
277 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM
harpper WTF!!!!
278 colwell // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:31 PM
Harper hang up your boots, Too slow, shite decision making. I now see why Elliot was our number 2 your shite.
279 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:31 PM
You’ve got laugh, as soon as Shola comes on we stop punting it.
3-0
Gameover. 8 years is looking an eternity right now, Mr Pardew.
280 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:31 PM
Gary neville says they deserve that he chats sh*t Class a Pr*ck
281 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:32 PM
bring sammi on for Tiote before he gets sent off.
282 WTF // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:32 PM
Thank You Very Much SH……
283 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:32 PM
Colwell not a keeper in the league that would of saved that
284 davis_toons // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:32 PM
This is Harper, This is why the entertaininer leak goals…
285 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:33 PM
Harper hurry up and retire willo p*ss off cisse SCORE!!!
286 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:33 PM
davis toons
fergie is ready just not in that position.
have we got any subs left. if so may as well let Obertan have a run against his old team.
Really hope pardew’s history of second season syndrome isn’t repeating itself
287 archaeomag // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:33 PM
We’ve been wonga’d
288 Majuro Magpie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:33 PM
yeah not sure why neville said they deserved that, we played with a lot of intensity, but man u were just waiting to pounce on the heedless chickens
289 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:33 PM
class Perchy lad
290 Toonacious T // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM
Good night. We are very poor defensively and lack fluidity going forward. A look at the two subs benches tells its own story. All the PR in the world ain’t gonna polish this turd!
291 davis_toons // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM
toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:32 PM
Harper was not even ready when cleaverly was about to shot, i believe kurl would have got ready and back into position. when the ball was inthe air then was Haper moving
292 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:35 PM
Harper was caught in no mans land thats why he didnt save it. If krul in goal its 0-1
293 darrenfletcher88 // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:35 PM
Total crap!!! We are not good enough!! Pards no idea
294 colwell // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:35 PM
@toonarmydownsouth
my comment was not aimed at that shot alone but him overall this year.
295 simon // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:36 PM
That was a fluke goal, Harper could do nowt about it
296 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:36 PM
craig burley actually talks a bit of sense.
Ba or Cisse NOT BOTH IN A 442.
297 thebionicMAG // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:36 PM
Spanked at home by a very average Man U by their standards. We needed cover for defence, 2 at very least…we blew it, we needed another striker…we blew it. We needed another all out winger…we blew it.
Now the injuries are coming in we look crap against teams like Reading and Norwich. There is not one team in the Premiership who I do not have any fear, I really mean that. I feel so nervous.
We need to accept that this is exactly how good we are…what we are watching right now…this is it.
298 davis_toons // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:36 PM
This is the time when we need a an attacking CD, that can bring the ball forward. But non-of ours can.
299 Magpies-till-d3ath // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:37 PM
So much for Pardew’s eight year contract! Everyone will be saying that last season was a fluke, and that Cisse is shit. We really are AWFUL!
300 numba9 // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:37 PM
Willo gave corner 4 goal then didn’t defend. Harper is having a mare and Ferguson should have played in front of suntan not swap flanks. Bad management by partridge. And shows so obviously our frailty at the back. We cannot defend corners and. Cannot score from them. Lack of a dominant figure
301 TimKrulFan // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:37 PM
we play sh*t all season and do ok we play good and lose 3-0
302 toonking // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:37 PM
are we heading for europa league disease like stoke and fulham had when they were in it?
303 thebionicMAG // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:38 PM
When was the last time we even took a good corner let alone score from one?
304 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:38 PM
Davis
No chance lad no chance
305 niafron // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:39 PM
The score is a bit unfait but we can’t really complain…
Very nice team they are.
306 p // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:39 PM
294 i would not say we were spanked. Poor deending from us and good defending from manu, that has been the difference
307 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:40 PM
Rooney has been good mind you. Perchy and Santon my toon MOM’s,
Could this kid, be actually better than Cheick??? certainly less of a liability.
308 catchy in norway // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:40 PM
How can any one defend Pardews tactics ,
He is poor in his decision making, why can we not just play our game from the start I a game instead of always seeing what the other team play like
Why is jonas still on the pitch? One of our worst players today, he is the captain and he is to blame for the second goal,
8 more years of this
309 Badladbudgie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:40 PM
Lol @ 284
310 calvinho // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:40 PM
We knew this was going to happen before the season starts. We just don’t have the quality in depth. We have championship players in depth, some will develop into prem players. We needed a full back, centre half and striker. We are now paying the price.
311 davis_toons // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:42 PM
Agreed ..Obertan should have a run if fit.
He often played well against United.
As well as Simpson, too bad this match we actually needed him most.
312 Toonacious T // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:42 PM
We will not finish in the top ten unless we sign 3 starting players in January imo.
313 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:42 PM
catchy
spot on, would be nice to be pro-active rather than re-active all the time
314 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:42 PM
Puppet Pardew, the master spinner, scratch beneath the impressive exterior and there’s not much there. These are performance typical of last season, with less spectacular solo goals and less luck with injuries. Wish we had a manager to match our current playing roster. They won’t be around much longer at this rate.
315 numba9 // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:43 PM
A lot of our passes have been under hit like a little kid with no strength u have to ping to feet and move at this level
316 davis_toons // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:43 PM
Willionson should never learn to dribble the ball.
SIMPLE. Just keep it simple will you.
317 p // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:43 PM
307, agree we should have strengthened in defence. Cisse not scoring has made thimgs worse. We are still a good team
318 catchy in norway // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:43 PM
Sorry but I do think playing ba and cisse can work, but only if we play with wingers, real ones who cross, other than that , only 1
319 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:43 PM
Rvp should be walking there like
320 thebionicMAG // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:44 PM
P
Poor defending is what gets you spanked. I’m sorry but I disagree, we are totally crap. Southampton, West Ham, Cardiff, QPR, Wigan…can you honestly say you think we will beat those teams? I can’t I can honestly say I will be chewing my fingernails in those matches because every team in the premiership has fight in them except us. A few of our players do but as a team we are crap.
321 numba9 // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:44 PM
Willo just isn’t good enough simple
322 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:45 PM
Chris hughton took us as far as he could
Pardew h…mmm
323 YorkshiresFinestGeordie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:46 PM
WE ARE SHITE, WE ARE SHITE WE ARE SHITE WE ARE SHITE
324 davis_toons // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:46 PM
A good CD is important. Non-of the players on the field, Apart of Shola…can head the ball or clear it.
325 niafron // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:46 PM
Maybe it would have been a different game with Colo, Saylor and Krull.
And with more accuracy front of the goal.
But they really impressed me.
326 Badladbudgie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:46 PM
We could sign usain bolt long ball would work a treat then imagine trying to catch him usain and Ben Johnson up front?
327 p // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:47 PM
317, with colo, taylor (either), simpson and santon we would do a lot better
328 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:47 PM
Another crucial ingredient that is ever dwindling, is the fighting spirit, which is the most worrying aspect, because that’s when wins become draws and draws become defeats.
We have all the gear and no idea!
329 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:49 PM
i like Cabaye but he is such a fanny.
330 davis_toons // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:49 PM
Just look at their CD, took the ball run all the way up from behind to counter attack us.
Non of the player in there can do that.
Apart from Colo or Stylor, but both not playing.
331 catchy in norway // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:49 PM
I really do think that our team is a good team but Pardew don’t know how to get the best out of them,
SAF would have this team challenging to win things with it
332 p // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:49 PM
Bunch of drama queens- i was much more concerned after the everton game
333 Rotonda heights // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:49 PM
yorkshire’s finest
difficult to argue.
Trouble is we have a very English style manager with
a team of foreigners. I think at times we have done well with the players Carr recruited in spite of pardew, not because of him
334 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:50 PM
Shola has been cack since he’s been on, another who appears not to give a shit at times.
335 mot7 // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:50 PM
pardew f***ed around with the team to much and why start with two upfront when we are playing a team who will dominate the ball in midfield makeshift defence should have been given more protection tiote and bigi or anita holding benny top of midfield just of ba
336 breno95 // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:50 PM
Amazing how many world class managers seem to support NUFC.
We have got beat by a team that has dominated the EPL for years and have challenged at the top of Europe for years.
We are missing 1st choice keeper and CB’s and for whatever reason main goalscorer from 2nd half of the season is out of sorts.
Yes AP has picked what can be fairly accepted as the wrong team and set up again but let’s get real, we are always more likely to lose games against the man utd’s, arsenal, city and Chelsea than win.
It’s the other matches we have to make sure we win to maintain top 6/7 EPL finish and with good, shrewd transfers we can improve.
Some people get to carried away and actual believe we are better than we are.
337 niafron // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:51 PM
Don’t know why, but i think Ashley will have some sorrows about this smile…
338 numba9 // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:51 PM
Oh look at that big smile on fat blokes face . Tight wad
339 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:52 PM
Lovely to see Mike and Derek having fun. Tossers.
340 thebionicMAG // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:52 PM
P
Part of my rant was that we didnt strengthen in those areas…we blew it for the sake of a few million…the very same millions we’ll lose by coming about 14th or 15th in the premiership which is where we are going to be with this team and these performances.
341 Marty-Toon // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:52 PM
And some people were saying on here today that Rooney is over rated,he has certainly had the better of our team all day.
Said it before the game started that we wouldn`t be able to pick him up and we haven`t.
AP should have gone with Obertan today after his display the other day.
We`re now paying for not buying a CB in the summer.
51 goals against could be a realisation this year again.
I was actually thinking that we`d maybe sneak a win today,if the goal had been given at 0-2 then we may have got in the game but again we`ve started poorly in a game.
It`s like we aren`t awake before it`s too late
342 Magpies-till-d3ath // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:52 PM
the only surprise cisse has for defenders is a bag of crap in his boot!
343 catchy in norway // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:53 PM
344 p // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:53 PM
333 agree
345 toonking // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:54 PM
HBA and jonas don’t fit well in the same midfield because both do very little for the forwards
HBA- is agressive but i think he is too greedy with the ball sometimes
jonas-shows less signs going foward than what a FB does.
346 Marty-Toon // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:55 PM
Willo just gives away free kicks around both boxes
347 davis_toons // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:55 PM
Our backbone is missing 4 players.
Its the most important first team players.
1 GK
3 Defence
348 archaeomag // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:55 PM
The CURSE OF WONGA STRIKES
& we’re all doomed!”!
349 niafron // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:56 PM
It hurts.
Will not make some long comments today lads.
Bonne soirée messieurs.
350 lukes26 // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:56 PM
i’ll try polishing this turd. Perch & Santon looked good.
that’s all i’ve got.
everyone else was abysmal. manchester looked better organized, deserved the points.
351 Trent Toon // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:57 PM
Alan Pardew is not a tactician thats for sure. He gets the wrong setup week after week. Ben arfa needed to drop into the hole behind ba. Cisse needs to start off.
352 Marty-Toon // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:58 PM
Utd looked like the home side today,i don`t think SAF was afraid of coming today AP.
I think you got it wrong there.
Tactics are one thing but we lost two goals against the dead ball again,we are useless at defending corners and free kicks without Sayls and Collo.
It just means those marking weren`t doin their job.
Poor day and we as usual have a minus goals average
353 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:59 PM
whatever
lot of sh*t performances but at least we tried to play football instead of hoofing it up the whole game
encouraging signs from the players in all honesty. still worrying from pardew. i think rotanda said it best. ‘we haven’t played this well because of pardew, we’ve done it in spite of him’
proud of the players though. they all worked their socks off.
354 mot7 // Oct 7, 2012 at 5:59 PM
no world class managers on here just normal fans that can see whats wrong so why cant the managment. we made our own probs today by getting basic defending wrong
355 numba9 // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:00 PM
U just gotta hate mike Ashley on the cheap is all he wants . Not just on this showing but we knew we needed defence cover and got nowt
356 jimiley // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:00 PM
Its just a blip. Remember we had some top players missing, admittedly against the weakest Man U team for 20 years. But when they return we will march up the league. No reason why we cannot finish 4th or 5th and keep Big Mike smiling. In 8 years I am sure Pardew will bring us success.
357 BartZ // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:00 PM
My comment based on THIS game:
- Harper – didn’t seem interested, no shouting at his defence and when called upon he didn’t turn up
- Santon – Played really well, positive runs forward, worked non stop and defended well
- Willo – Switched off when needed to be focused, unless playing with Colo or Saylor he doesn’t look up to it
- Perch – did ok, didn’t make any big errors and looked composed
- Fergy – looked quiet first half although didn’t make many mistakes and its good to get the lad involved in these games
- Benny – positive attacking play, just never came to anything. frustrated me watching him constantly complaining at the ref after each incident
- Cabaye – worked hard but again nothing much came off it
- Tiote – V frustrating game, I like that he is passionate but picking up the amount of yellows that he does is ridiculous, like others have mentioned he becomes a liability to the team by doing so
- Gutierrez – work horse as usual, technically played very well and tidy intricate passing
- Cisse – Wasn’t there , should be benched and made to work harder for his place
- Ba put a shift in but on a limited supply
- Fans – first class. Even going 3-0 down we didn’t stop supporting!
All in all this was a frustrating game to watch. Each time players like Cabaye or Anita got there head up for that through ball, there wasn’t anyone there, defending on set plays is one place we should be tight and simple errors cost us. Saying that it was against united and to get a draw would have been a good result, at least we didn’t loose to a team that we should have beaten so we need to look forward and make sure Shola tears Sunderland a new A hole!
358 Toon1978 // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM
Another 8 years………OMG
359 Ian Magpie // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM
Mike Ashley laughing in the last few minutes says it all. Whats funny to laugh about?????????????????????/ I am not laughing. I feel sick that my team has just been humped. So why laugh???????
360 jimiley // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM
Its no good moaning. We have to be patient. Rome was not built in a day. Its all part of an 8 year plan.
361 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM
Trent Toon
Then what is he? He’s certainly no motivator as we turn in weak-hearted first-halves every week, only for the crowd to almost have to demand some commitment to be shown, nor is he a wheeler-dealer as that’s sorted mainly by others. Not much to him other than a load of bluster, I think that’ll become more and more apparent as this season wears on.
362 Marty-Toon // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM
@Davis toon
Utd are missing important defenders too.
It`s all about having decent back up players and we don`t.
On today`s and several other days performances we`re not a top 6 team.
We looked like a good team the other night but today we looked like we`ve gone backwards again.
363 archaeomag // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM
I blame the Euro-Disney cup – it is is bad news.
At least we don’t have to worry about the extra European Games next season;
364 Colo-Sus // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM
Sorry but told you so…. We had no hope without Colo Taylor and Krul, the spine of the team was half missing. Cisse was dreadful second season syndrome big time!! Cabaye is having a mare at the moment too. Perch did ok but I feel for him he is not a CB. Willo is simply a level below the rest of the team. Harper is too old as well thirs was a fluke but his mobility, decision making and agility are all gone. Retire Steve at the end of the season we will always love you but it’s time soon.
365 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:02 PM
jimily
pardew will not last 8 years if he has as much talent as he does at his disposal and STILL cannot get something consistent from them
is it the players fault or is it pardews? ive never seen a manager switch tactics so often because he is wrong time after time. infuriating. i put very little blame on the players
366 check the toastie // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:03 PM
Overall feelings are that is was all pretty predictable, started slow again, swapped formations again, players played in numerous positions during the 90 minutes again, Sammi sat on the bench again.
harper 5 – looked a little old today
Santon 7 – pretty good as normal, the lad has ability.
Willo 5 – Worries me
Perchy 7 – Thought he did fine good interceptions and passing pretty cool.
Fergy 6 – thought the lad did OK.
BenArfa 6 – not one of his best
Tiote 5 – thought he struggled a little
Cabaye 6 – Overrun early doors, need to grow some.
Jonas 6 – better when he went to full back
Cisse 6 – feel sorry for him currently.
Ba 5 – Completely anonymous.
There you go, didnt play too bad after Man Utd went in front, think thats the point really, maybe with Man Utd dropping off and settling for 2 goals and hitting us on the counter it actually allowed us to look better than we were. We have been really poor this year.
367 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:03 PM
Ian
Indicative of this regimes outlook. Don’t particularly care, no real worry or bother as long as we remain in the PL.
368 beefman13 // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:04 PM
Man utd dominated first 20mins which is fair enough, they scored two set pieces 500/1 for those two to be the first scorers, then a cross come shot for their third.
after that there was not much in it but they are a top notch team, we battled on but we were always going to give away chances today especially with the centre back pairing.
Glad to get that game out of the way.
369 hattambenarfa // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:05 PM
our full strength team could do a job against most teams if played correctly
Krul
Santon Taylor Colo Gutti
Anita Tiote
Ben Arfa Cabaye Ferguson
Ba
Ferguson is not a left back. he has a good cross and is fairly tricky and lightweight = winger.
as we already know we need more depth in defence but more importantly is our inability to support the strikers, possess any aerial threat in attack or defence, and the fact that we let our heads drop so easily. we need the spirit that hughton brought and its plain to see we havent got it. its all very well having pretty technical midfielders and clinical finishers, but we need some spirit and some heart, we look devoid of it at the moment
370 lucasnufc // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:05 PM
For the first time I’m really irritated with Pardew. Usual doom and gloomers on here saying all our plays are crap, but the fact is- we looked shocking with 442, as we have done every time this season, and as soon as we switch to 433, we control the game. But by then it was too late as it was 0-2. Thought guti played well.
371 Toon1978 // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:06 PM
jimiley
How much more patient do NUFC fans need to be mate. We have won sweet FA for 40 years mate. P1sses me off when i see “rome wasn’t built in a day” we have been trying to build since the year dot. How long do we have to wait for success ie some silverware? We can not continue to be patient. I think we have been the patient enough.
372 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:06 PM
hatembenarfa
that is the PERFECT line up and the one we should be going with from the get-go
373 catchy in norway // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:06 PM
6 games in and what have we got so far,,,,,
we have a team that does not play the same way in any match,,
we have a manager that is pig headed and wont drop jonas
if demba ba dont score, we dont look like scoring,,,,
the only thing i have noticed is . pardew seems to let the other team play there football before trying to counter there play,, then he switches to 3 DMF and leaves a huge gap between our forwards and HBA,, its like he thinks HBA can work magic by him self
and for you who think this blog is full of managers that think they can do better,, its not, but we all see where the problem is,, but he gets paid to do the job,, and not just pick his best friends to play
8 MORE YEARS OF THIS SHIT
374 toonarmy81 // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:06 PM
Very very poor no bloody movement from midfield! Link up play between midfield n strikers none exsistant. Man utd wer very average n we wer poor. Am hoping we get amuch better performance against Sunderland or we’l get punished big-time !!
375 jimiley // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:06 PM
Ruddy,
Ashley and Pardew are winners. Their ambition is to win the league in 8 years and we should get behind them. I have a 50 quid bet at 1,000 to 1 that the Toon will win the league in the next 8 years.
376 ONLINE GUY // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:06 PM
Mike and Derek Having a good laugh there ..0-3 down .
How do we feel at 0-3 down ?
377 numba9 // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:06 PM
The French lad from Lille should have came in but fat man was too tight same with most targets . Carr don’t be used too much son . He will shit on u too
378 Marty-Toon // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:06 PM
The better team won,they are a class above us.
We have many playing above their level at the moment.
We have a small squad and this is what happens when injuries come.
Just hope we can beat the like of West ham,Sunderland,Swansea,Wigan n the likes
379 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:07 PM
Jimiley
Keep telling yourself that and you might believe it eventually. If you think we’re going to even challenge for 4th or 5th this season, you must own the only chicken that shits golden eggs or something, to be that optimistic.
380 BartZ // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:07 PM
@ colo sus
Agree with you mate, Harper just looks like he is past it not for the first time this season. He will always be loved but its time for the younger lads to take over.
381 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:08 PM
Jimiley
You almost sound like you’re reading from their script.
382 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:08 PM
lucasnufc
players weren’t shocking. for the first 25 minutes we weren’t even in a formation. you can’t blame that on the players. the manager switches formations with an infuriating frequency….because he always cocks it up!
383 geordiemacc // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:08 PM
Pants. United may have had a weakened team but they had an extra man in Howard Webb. No excusing our performance but he only seemed to pick up on our indiscretions. The tug on Cisse by evra? The elbow by van persie on Cabaye? And how is fergie allowed to stand and chew the ear off the referees assistant. Like I said. Pants.
384 toonking // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:08 PM
the next game is the game i think could be the turning point for how we feel about pardew and the team because we are unbeaten in 4 games against sunderland so no way do i want to see us loose to them.
385 jimiley // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:09 PM
Toon 1978
WE play reserves in the CUps so we have no intention of winning them. The management istrying to win the league and we have to go with that. Forget the Cups and focus on the league.
386 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:09 PM
catchy
come on! i usually support you but jonas was class second half. best LB besides santon…..and santon is a RB
387 thebionicMAG // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:10 PM
I am so frustrated with us and corners…we cant take em, we can score from them and we cant defend them.
388 Ian Magpie // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:11 PM
I think we have a half decent team with some really good players and on our day we can have a go at anyone. However as much as it hurts people need to realise that we are not a top 4 side and in all honesty with those in charge of the club…………………..Never will be! We screaamed for the club to sign defenders in the summer but to no avail. But hey the club knows best!!! As long as we stay in the PL thats all that matters to the sports direct machine!!!!!
389 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:12 PM
jimily
you can’t honestly believe the management is ‘going for the league title’
mike and derek’s expressions said it all. they’re fine. we should be fine with what we have too. they’re not completely wrong either. we have an incredible pool of players and a manager who doesn’t have a f***** clue!
390 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:12 PM
Lose to Sunderland and these dribs and drabs of unrest will become a maelstrom of malcontent.
391 numba9 // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:12 PM
Well at least Ashley is happy with our defendin. Makes me sick .
392 spudzzz // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:13 PM
only 3 players can be reasonably happy with there performance…..Cabaye , Ba and gutierrez …..no one can be faulted for effort but to have 7 to 8 players spending 90 minutes where every 2 out 3 controls were missed(ball bouncing away from them)…2 out of 3 passes were bad…all shots bar 1 or 2 were off target…every ball bounced to a united player after a challenge……team had a seriouly bad day at the office…….
Again very fustrated more than andry as they all put a shift in….pissed off but lets move on and trounce sunderland
393 Toon1978 // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:14 PM
jimiley
Beggers can’t be choosers. We will never ever ever win the EPL with the money being pumped into the top clubs. We need a happy medium and give ourselves a chance at winning any bloody cup. Pardew does not take the cups serious enough and that is a huge shame. Yes, finish in a good position in the EPL but never ever take the cu’ps for granted. It’s our only hope of silver….not the League. More chance of me winning the lottery.
394 Jamesthefirst // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:14 PM
Really don’t understand the doom and gloom.
We have still not been able to put our first 11 on the field. Always someone injured or missing.
Yes we all know 4-3-3 is better, but if we had started like that and got ripped apart in midfield, everyone would be saying why didn’t we start with a 4 man midfield.
Cisse should not be getting stick – he is feeding off scraps. No service to him at all
395 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:14 PM
spudz
what about santon and perch? santon was a class above anyone today
396 Toon1978 // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:16 PM
Ruddy Marveaux-lous
Post 90…..exactly. TBH we have been pretty crap. Can’t say have have played well in any epl game as of yet.
397 spudzzz // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:18 PM
blaming pardew is laughable at best….there was nothing wrong with his tactics and his changes…problem sometimes is simply players playing BAD…Today was the case ….if defense was awake in the first 15minutes…and we got in at 0 -0 and bloody ben arfa was his usual self…this game couldve been totally different…..Manure werent that good, we made them look good with all the technicalmistakes our players made
398 BartZ // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:19 PM
Ray Wilkins tie sums it up
399 Toon1978 // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:19 PM
Ruddy Marveaux-lous
Post 390 i mean sorry lol.
400 toonking // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:19 PM
394 spot on mate we can’t be giving cisse stick when you have a defensive winger and a ball greedy winger.
401 ONLINE GUY // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:19 PM
I have said this before ,,Why Howard Webb for Our game’s against Man U ? the game is all about Webb.
I think he’s a cheat.
Gives Man U all the important decisions IE: Free kicks around our box .. He try’s to hide his bias by giving us the odd decision…… in the middle of the park! Man U get all the important decisions. Watch it again . Same every season .
If you breath on a Man U player your booked ..they hack you down and its just a ticking off to a Man U player .Webb’s a Cheat ..He try’s to cheat in a subtle way but its totally apparent ..see right through the cheating T*at.
Remember Ferdinand’s tackle on Ba last season ? BLATANT pen, Webb right next to the incident. Cheat.
12 men on the park for them today.
402 beefman13 // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:20 PM
Christ we are so good at taking the piss out of things but as soon as something comes along where we might get a bit of mickey taken out of us our backs go up ie the wonga situationj were by the way nothing has been concrete.
Even so i dont give a shit were we get our sponsorship from!!!! all these big businesses are angels arnt they the banks the energy companie and mobile companys, they are all bloody ruthless making mega profits then laying folk off when they dont make the projected profits they should.
Yet again its a case of when we as fans in general dont get what we want the moaning starts, all big companys are money orientated, we are a big company being ran as a business, you get your sponsorship were you can, if the owner is happy with the deal then that ok with me.
And to add he wont give a monkeys when the resident moaners start every time they are not happy with something, the fact is he will do what seems best for his investment.
It pisses me off far more than it will him when the moaners start. gets on my tits.
403 JAMSHA // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:20 PM
we played well jst needed luck
404 hoppernufc // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:21 PM
why cant be start the game and be attacking right fro m the off? pardew waits till we go a goal or two down then changes it and we start playing well. thought we played well after the first 15 mins and deserved something from that game. jonas was unreal he was playing every position on the pitch, tiote was a joke just was well he got took off else he would of been sent off, and anita…. well thats a different story i dunno who scouted him but he does nowt i dont get him at all. thought santon and willo played well also
405 lukes26 // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:22 PM
Neither Ba nor Cisse are near the class of Rooney or RVP.
They might even score more goals…. but don’t hold the ball or create chances for others.
I’d like to see Ben Arfa play as a Second Striker. He’s frustrating to watch as a winger, because he doesnt use the fullbacks as outlets.
406 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:22 PM
Numba9
Just out of curiousity exactly what difference would debuchy, a rb, have made today???
407 Slank // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:23 PM
mattyNUFC @ 395
Agree, Santon was excellent on the right. What we need to buy in the January transfer window is not a right back but a left footed left back. Fergie just isn’t big and strong enough for that position.
408 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:23 PM
As it’s on record that our target is top 8, I’m intrigued by what MA would do should we finish bottom half, which I think is going to be the case.
409 mot7 // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:24 PM
ben arfa and cabby must be frustrated playing in a team thats constantly outnumberd in midfield
410 mattyNUFC // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:24 PM
slank
agree completely. LB needed, not RB
411 Toon1978 // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:24 PM
Ruddy Marveaux-lous
You doom merchant you hahaha
412 Ian Magpie // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:24 PM
James thefirst…………………. Really don’t understand the doom and gloom.???????????????????????? What! We have just been humped 3-0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fans are growing in frustration cos they can see whats happening. No investment = lack of depth and cover = short of quality= plugging gaps = draws instead of wins and defeats instead of draws! Arggggggggggggghhhh!!!! Everyone in our house is keeping away from me! Even the dog is hiding out of the way!!! FFS!!!!!! and to top it off seeing Mike Ashley laughing when the one i love has just been humped into next week does not make me a happy man and a tad on the DOOOOOOM and GLOOOOM side………………………..Thanks marra for sharing that with me!!!!!
413 spudzzz // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:25 PM
they werent at there best for me…santon and perch worked hard but were caught out of position a few times, but my mine disagreement is that we had the ball the decisoion in who to pass to and when was always slightly off resulting in rushing the takle, the pass evenetually leading to us losing it……i would definitiely say santon did quite well but i would not say he was a class above….with the way we were playiong i was glad cabaye and guti had the bit between their teeth
414 davis_toons // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:26 PM
THE Technology shows that the Ball was OVER THE LINE.
..anyway…
415 BartZ // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:26 PM
The next 6 games are matches we should be winning, reality is we will draw a few and probably loose at least one, hopefully it’s not the next one!!!
416 Constanstine // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:26 PM
There is nothing wrong with Pardew’s tactic. He already did mention before the game that there’ll be a period where Man United will be storming at us. Two goals in 15 mins, two same ugly mistakes.
417 thebionicMAG // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:26 PM
Herws my prediction for the next 6
Scumberland Away – lose
West Brom – Home draw
Liverpool – Away lose
West Ham home – draw
Swansea – Home Lose
Southampton – Away Lose
2 points out of a possible 18. This is how pessimistic I am about our form.
418 jeff // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:28 PM
Jonas played well imo
As did perch and santon. Williamson should not go up for freee kicks. Never looks like scoring and just fouls everyone. Pardew is a joke, we rely too much on wonder goals, when as the last time we scored through intricate passing or just swarming the box and creating pressure??? Van prrsie is a sack, tiote is foolish and vastly overrated. Big mie had reason to laugh after our comical performance. Roll out 2020/21 season
419 archaeomag // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:29 PM
@Beefman
Still rather have Dickie – he’s real and has a balloon, signed some good bands, and is not a bunch of plastic puppets set up to screw the desperately poor
420 Spreadthetoon // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:29 PM
Season becomes more disappointing as time goes on. Was a training game for Man U not an EPL fixture. 4-4-2 does not work. Shane Ferguson never took on a player, did not look comfortable…so why did we not field Simpson. Williamson was abject at times…..definitely miss Krul, Saylor and Collo…its early doors yet but I have yet to be impressed with a single 90 minutes this season…..reckon we’ll end up mid-league…possibly…..statistically Newcastle play the greatest volume of long balls and the least amount of inceptions this season. Pardew please do not f”ing play Aladyce footy….you got your extended contact based on last year where we played fluid footy along the ground, so please do so. Cisse completely out of form….pick Shola next time and pls start using Obertan and Marveaux especially if you gonna insist on 4-4-2….no balance today…Santon providing the majority of approaches on one flank without support. You need attacking wide players…..and stop getting Cabaye playing so deep…its frustrating and negative to see one of our most creative players not being utilised. Whinge over.
421 Slank // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:30 PM
Whats all this doom and gloom? We were not outplayed. For the majority of the match ManU were on the back foot.
We give away two goals from corners as we didn’t have our first choice centrebacks and keeper. The third goal was a fluke. I doubt Krul would have saved it.
422 thebionicMAG // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:31 PM
Beefman what pi$$es me off is the ever so optimistic Toon tinted glasses supporters. We could get spanked 30 – 0 and it would be: Well we could have had a penalty, we were missing Staylor and Krul….The ref was appalling…blah blah blah.
423 ONLINE GUY // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:31 PM
RVP is a disgrace ..In fact A Horrible BasT*rd
Can we mail the FA Prem League and ask them to look at the off the ball Elbow in the face by RVP on Cabaye ?
Cabaye was banned last season 3 matches because of Ray Stubb’s sending the FA Film of an incident ..Ray Stubb’s Jealousy got the better of him with Merseyside being below us last season.
Notice how the tv cameras did not Pan in on close ups of his attack on Cabaye ?
If it was Joey Barton or one of our players it would be scrutinised and the player banned and burnt at the stake .
One rule for Man U ……ano….
424 JDdubai // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:32 PM
Well Im ready for the abuse I will get but here we go…….
Once again Pardew sends a team out that doesnt appear to be awake. EVERY SINGLE PL match we have been HORRENDOUS in the first half, always playing catch up. This game was like the Spurs match first game of the season, the only difference was they hit the woodwork twice and we got away with it, today they took their chances.
Our luck was not going to hold out all season obviously, we are always left playing catch up and chasing the game. Our biggest problem is tactically Pardew doesnt seem to get the players at it from the 1st minute.
Also tactically it was surely clear to everyone after 5 minutes that our 442 was getting picked apart by their formation, needed to make the change to bring Jonas inside straight away but left it as it was and only luck that Welbeck was crap in front of goal kept us in it.
Cisse playing wide right??? My god, he offers nothing there compared to someone who can actually affect the game from that position.
Think i said this before but it seems like Pardew is trying to get the players he wants into the team but doesnt play them in the right positions and so the team look all over the place.
Jonas played well when he moved into CM, again offered nothing out wide. Thought Fergie looked v nervous, understandably, his crossing was poor today.
Also not just based on today, but Tiote is looking a liability compared to the last 2 seasons. He misses more matches than he plays at the mo with injury, sorry but he is replaceable and if we could get 20-25mill I would accept.
2nd half we battled hard, why cant we start a match,
ANY match like that though. That comes from the manager getting the players in the right frame of mind…
425 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:33 PM
Hopper
The thing is though pards always says we need to start quicker and you could literaly see him screaming at the lads just dont get why we start so slowly!
We were made to pay for that big time today to very weak goals concede in the opening 15 mins
Normally i think willo gets some unfair criticism but today the lad way dire the first goal was all him conceded a shite corner then completly lost evans!
Tiote is actually looking worse every game the amount of times he looses possesion deep in our half is unreal
Poor fergie is not a lb and to start him there was a mistake surely either start simmo at rb or anita who is a lb?
Cisse is essentially non exsistent in a 442 so should either start shola or play a different formation
Shola was decent enough but had to drop way to deep to get the ball which kinda nulifies the point of bringing him on
HBA was a bit frustrating
Cabs done dome decent things today but considering hes supposed to be our engine he’s not doing enough were actually missing guthrie and think another CM is as bigger priority than another CB!
426 karasu // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:37 PM
@ post 394: Really don’t understand the doom and gloom.
how abt the fact that our league has been mediocre at best with 2/7 wins 3/7 draw n 2/7 losses. beat by chelsea n man u when we shd be chalenging em instead of rolling over lik a yellow belly mutt. struggled against norwich. drawn by relegationists villa n reading. we shdnt be in dis state whr we are short on 1st team players in e 1st place when we shd have invested in june july aug. pardew shd hav stop 442 long ago n no tactic nous n motivation skills. ferguson is overrated. look at him contribute noting today. jonas contributes nothing. cisse is really a dud beneath and willo shd never hav been ere in e 1st place. we will lose our other games if we continue lik dis, then lose our league standings, then our hope of europe, our top players lik hba anf cabaye, and be relegated even b4 the 8 yrs are up. PARDEW OUT.
427 hoppernufc // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:38 PM
tiote is a complete liability, and can anyone explain to me the crack with anita? i dont understand him and clearly pardew dosent fancy him either, hes small,weak a very poor passer.dosent seem suited to england
428 Slank // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:39 PM
The problem with Tiote is that we need three in midfield and not the current two.
Tiote should be partnered with either Anita or Bigi with Cabaye infront of these.
429 beefman13 // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:40 PM
Ian magpie, man utd are a terrific football team, do they deserve a bit of credit instead instead of just saying we were shit and having a go at the owner for having a bit of a giggle in the 90th min im sure he wasnt happy lad.
I notice i did not here a rant from you when we beat a unbeaten for six month team in bordeaux.
we cant win them all son, take a defeat to a better team which at the min they are.
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430 Spreadthetoon // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:41 PM
Completely disagree TADS. In defense we have been poor but missing players which genuine demonstrates lack of depth. If Pards wants to play 4-4-2, it nullifies HBA who is better in a 4-3-2-1 formation. Cisse has not performed and Ba is not getting the service. So many crosses failed to get past the first man. I was genuinely impressed with Obertan earlier this week so why not play players with width? Ferguson offered nothing, and Cabaye our most creative midfielder is not being allowed to play his game cos’ Pardew insists on us sitting far too far deep. What’s the point?
431 mot7 // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:45 PM
pardew got 8 years because he isnt demanding and will argee with most of what the owner wants not because he is the manger to bring us a trophy .
432 Raj // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:46 PM
U kn sitting thousand f miles away from d club I love, wher it’s difficult to find anyone supporting outside d Big 4, games lik these can b sad.. Not infuriating, just depressing..
The first two goals were courtesy d slow starts we fashion these days.. Two good setpieces, n we were chasing it for d rest f d 80 mins or so.. Ok, d back 4 n d goalie weren’t d best v got, but wat bout d rest.. Wat bout d hard-to-find attackin strategy? Wat bout d penetrating passes to the running wingers? It is so evident the formation collapses itself all d time, evbody wants to play at some other place than they r meant to..
Till d third goal, we atleast had our tails up.. Tat 3rd strike killed us.. Still.. Wat about team talk on d break? No changes, n wen u change, u take d two who just created a chance for u out, n put two more invisible, out-of-formation n strategy guys on pitch!!!
V cant carry on lik this.. Get Ba n Cisse to play alternate halves. Get benny/cabs to do a withdrawn striker. Get working on set pieces n corners day in n day out. Get jonas on LB, Santon on RB. Get another guy in midfield to help attacks.
I feel deflated goin into d break. Only to worsen tat, mikey n llambias sharing jokes.. happy to get fergie his big match debut, n he almost pulled it off.. N to see someone lik jonas in our team. my M-o-M.. Howay d lads..
433 geordiemacc // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:46 PM
Managers may pick the teams but they don’t kick the balls. It’s up to the players to put in a shift. Every game this season we have started lethargically and its cost us bigtime. We were that inept even Steve harper tried to come out and take a few people on. But when alls said and done we lost to united. Hardly an embarrassment and if Cisses goal had stood who knows what Might have happened.
434 Ian Magpie // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:51 PM
Beefman…………….. OK son???? If you can’t see the problems that we are going to face this season cos of a total lack of depth and you are ok with it then thats up to you. We weren’t just beaten by a better team, as Edd says we were torn apart by a better team. Yes Man Utd deserve credit but forgive me if I don’t jump around the living room happy as larry when we lose like we did! …………………………..Son!
435 Raj // Oct 7, 2012 at 6:59 PM
And there is no glory in getting beat by good teams.. Most surely fans wouldn’t want us to stay d mediocre heroes tat we are, eh? D intent is wat matters, n I take d spirit we showed after being two down in 15 mins.. But I ask, why only d spirit? Why d lack f channels to express dat spirit on d scoresheets n results? D strategy is to blame, n d system needs a total overhaul to lift ourselves from mediocre 8-12 to challenging top 4.. If u dont want tat, why r we fans?
436 beefman13 // Oct 7, 2012 at 7:14 PM
Ian do you think im happy, what im saying is your blaming all sorts of other things for us getting beat, things that are niggling away at you, your still not obviously happy about the way things are going at the toon, get yourself watching blyth or the heed, same old same old when we get beat, SON.
437 beefman13 // Oct 7, 2012 at 7:28 PM
archae, i dont suppose all the virgin staff who got laid off after his music business got sold would call him such an angel, he is as ruthless as the next believe me, even evil ian magpie who is currently giving his poor mogie a good kicking ha ha
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