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Pardew – Everything Was Going Against Us

11:08 am, Monday, October 8th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 163 Comments

To concede goals from set plays is never very good for any side, since the lads practice defending corners and free kicks every week in training,  but the two goals in the first 16 minutes yesterday were both from corners, and Jonny Evans and Patrice Evra were there to head the ball home almost unchallenged.

Alan Pardew – disappointed with defending

And every corner that came over in that first half seemed to spell danger for Newcastle, and of course it could have been a lot worse than 2-0 at the half – so we were even a bit lucky in that first 45 minutes.

This is what Alan said about that today to the local press:

“As organised as we are and the work we put in, we are gutted with the two goals.” “They were two set-plays. It’s not like it was magical football.”

“They were two great deliveries but we should still defend better.” “For us it was a disappointing start.” “But you have to hold your hands up sometimes because they were on fire.”

“Three or four decisions may have given us a release from the pressure but they never came our way.” “We seemed to lose a few decisions. Everything was going against us.”

It was simply a bad day at the office and we cannot have the same thing happen at the Stadium of Light, and we have to get a result there in our next game a week come Sunday.

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163 responses so far ↓

  • 1 indian // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    don’t moan alan .chelsea had 3 penalties turned down , and yet they scored 4, im not comparing US… just that we need to work and show results!

  • 2 Munster Mag // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:14 AM

    If Sunderland beat us by two goals or more, God forbid, I think the decision to award an 8 yr contract ( albeit full of holes I’m sure ) is going to start to look like a PR stunt. I think Oards has real problems in terms of knowing what his best team is, and what the best formation is. I’m pretty sure he must be wondering if Ashkey now sees the error of his approach to transfers in the summer. We had a Forest reject and an ex Portsmouth player at centre halves yesterday, against Man U. One also has to wonder why he put Fergie at left back, against such a strong team. Perhaps he thought they would lack width and Fergie could attack? It looked dubious beforehand to many of us.

  • 3 jesperfuglsang // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:22 AM

    Munster… you might be right. As much as I like Pardew – and he has might support – not no tactician and he never seem to have a plan B :-(

    He has lots of other qualities; I just hope he will learn tactically and simply just ‘kill his darlings’!

    It is up to the silver supremo to turn it around and show us all that last season was not a one time thing!

    But then again it is safe for me on the sofa and everything is easier in hinsight B-)

  • 4 Transfer Sage // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:23 AM

    For me nothing really went against us.

    We poorly defended two set plays and cisses effort was correctly not given.

    Also if the Two chances that fell to wellbeck were Rooney or van persie they would have been goals.

    For me the problem is the team has started slow on every game this season.
    We don’t usually get going til the 2nd half or until we concede.

    This Is the main issue which needs to be addressed.

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  • 6 jesperfuglsang // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:26 AM

    *might = my

  • 7 t00ntime // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Lol no plan b? After the second goal he changed our formation and tactics, that is plan b it just didnt work.

  • 8 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Not a good sign when the manager starts getting defensive and blaming external things.

  • 9 newcben // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:32 AM

    I’m not jumping on the band wagon and changing my tune because of this result my opinion would be the same even if we beat Man U 3-0. I don’t rate Pardew as a manager with the team we have we finished probably in the right place last season give or take a position up or down. I feel his tactics and changes during a game don’t work very much.
    That is my opinion and I know there are some who love Pardew and I respect that opinion as well.

    That a side I feel like maybe we are selecting a team on names rather than form, similar to how England work. I think Shola deserves a start instead of Cisse personally, him and Ba work well together and Cisse needs a kick up his arse…..I was worried last season maybe a one season wonder, everyone hits a dip in form its just the goals he was scoring and the sitters he was missing last season which made me worry.

  • 10 ash1001 // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    Maybe we should practice corners etc against a group of players that have something to prove, not players from your own squad.
    We are simply not good enough at defending corners nor getting anything from them when we have a corner, we only have one player that will attack a corner and thats Steven Taylor, so when it comes to practising defending corners hes one of the defenders not one of the attackers. The rest have no idea how to attack the opposition when we have a corner, most stand static. Willo getting outjumped by Evra says it all.

  • 11 WWYCD // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    Anyone remember last season when Pards was the best thing going for NUFC, won some awards for such silly things, now he’s in danger of the world turning on him

    And people say football fans are fickle :)

  • 12 jesperfuglsang // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    …well that is implied!

    You need to be able to make changes that matter (this will of cause not always be the case).

    And you need to get your tactics right so you don’t need a plan b already in the first half.

    We don’t need to agree, but it what I choice to believe :-)

  • 13 newcben // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    Also do you think we are good enough to play the same formation Man U player…Narrow but using our attacking full backs for width? Would mean one of the two strikers would need to put a shift in just like Rooney does for utd!

    Something like:

    —————–Krul—————-
    Santon–Colo—-STaylor–Jonas
    —————Tiote—————–
    ——–Anita——-Cabaye——–
    ————–HBA——————
    —–Shola———–Ba————-

    Probs not the best time to experiment against the mackems but could suit our creative players having the ball on the deck more than hoofing it long. I don’t know just a thought.

  • 14 alex84 // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    Pards has done well, it doesn’t help when the board above you control the transfers and not backing Pards with defenders where we needed to strengthen is not his fault,

    What his is fault is not playing the right system that suits our best players, cabaye needs to be in a 3 man midfield with Tiote and Anita, Ba, cisse and Benny as a 3, it worked everytime last year, he is only changed it to please Ba who hates playing left forward.

  • 15 jesperfuglsang // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    WWYCD…it is only human to make mistakes and to have flaws…Pardew is human, but it is also he responsibility (that was his choice)!

    …not everything he does is right and the important thing is he learns from his mistakes. He will be judge on that and so should he be.

    How else would you want it?

  • 16 Made a ma beed // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    Top and bottom of it is, we have needed another top quality CB for 2 years now. It costs us on a number of occasions this year and last. Norwich as a prime example. It is supposed to be a business,if machines were broken down on a packaging plant they would have back up machines or replacements. They just would not stop production!

  • 17 cadete // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    For me it’s simple, we need at least 1 centre half and a decent left winger, and only play ba or cisse because they simply cannot play together

  • 18 WWYCD // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    Jesper
    I agree but some are asking for his head again and suddenly everyone always thought he was poor. He is going to make mistakes more so than more established managers but hey even Ferguson makes mistakes sometimes

    He’s one of the better managers NUFC has had and we aren’t going to be getting better anytime soon. Happy to work under very tough circumstances and takes all the sh*t he gets with a smile.

    Currently his best players are out injured or out of form and thus far we have lost 3 games 1 to the champions of Europe and the other two to the biggest club in England whilst all this has been going on (not to mention him being left out to dry again during the transfer window in regards to incoming players)

  • 19 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    jesper

    if you don’t think he’s good with tactics and not having a plan b, what exactly are his other qualities you speak of? because, as far as i’m concerned, those are the most paramount facets of his very very well-paid job

  • 20 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    WWYCD

    i think a lot of people haven’t liked him…..others, like me, just aren’t usually as vocal about it

    don’t get me wrong, you may see me crawl back into my whole, it doesn’t mean that i feel to the contrary suddenly. of course he could always prove me wrong but he hasn’t since he’s been here. i just don’t think he’s the right person to get this team right. we have an incredibly talented group of players, more talented than probably any in the past decade, and he has yet to find anything resembling a winning formula. for most of us who don’t like pardew, our form this year is simply a continuation of our form last year. we hardly played like a top 5 team this year and, with pardew’s managerial limitations and hesitancies, i think a top half will be an accomplishment this year

  • 21 darrenfletcher88 // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    Total garage!!

  • 22 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    hole*, of course

  • 23 jesperfuglsang // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    YO…tatally agree with you there. Truth is we will never rid ourselves of those people who can never be satisfied and will never be happy :-(

    I all for Pardew and actually think he works wonders with what he’s got and what Mike gives him…still think there is room for improvement.

    But the silver supremo is in charge and therefor it his his responsibility to turn ir around :-)

    My only beef with Pardew is he has to learn to ‘kill his darlings’. He is so sure of his own ideas that he trips over them at times.

    This seems to concure with past reference to him (Pardew has a strong opinion about football)

  • 24 catchy in norway // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    WWYCD

    why are you hiding behind the injury excuse???

    with or without the injuries, we have no style of playing football,,,

    playeers do not no what possition they are ment to be playing in because pards changes the system for every match and plays them all over the place

  • 25 catchy in norway // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    sorry for this re post
    can anyone of the pro ashley pardew camp answer this

    is an 8 year deal really stability?? he can get fired tomorrow, he can leave tomorrow,? how is that stability ???

    stability to me is knowing what your supposed to be doing and doing it well, everybody comfertable in there abilities and what they have to do,,,

    well sorry, our club is far from stable on the playing side of things, none of our players seem to know where there ment to be,
    stability is playing your best players in there best positions and give them the confidence to say you can beat him (the player in front of him)

    our players play in so many different positions now they seem lost out there,

    my point, jonas, is he a right back left back DMC AMC left winger
    is fergy a left winger or left back?
    anita, right back or DMC
    obertan left wing right wing forward
    santon left back or right back
    BA forward or left winger
    cabaye DMC or AMC
    HBA right or left or attacking MF
    perch CB RB DMC

    you can not tell me this is stability, during any match these changes happen regular,,

    we defend against teams like reading at home ??? why

    last season, jonas started left wing and protected raylor, yesterday he let evens go for his goal and offerd no protection for fergy, then fergy got subed and jonas went to left back where he looked much better,, why not start with him there first, and fergy LW, feed him the ball and say cross the ball as much as you can,, we where expecting ferg to run from left back to cross ,,,

    for me pardew needs to look in the morror, stop picking his friends and trying to fit them in a team, even when we beat man u last year.. it wasnt good football. it was long ball football,

    we just dont play what i call football

  • 26 jesperfuglsang // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    * okay I need to change to my laptop…this is just not working :-(

  • 27 WWYCD // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    Matty
    If that’s ur opinion why hide it? If u think Pards is poor state it when we are winning, losing or drawing.

    Have to question if he has been unable to find anything resembling a winning formula how do u explain last season? Unbeaten run, 6 wins on the bounce and a 5th finish all sounds pretty good to me. He’s not the best manager in the world but he’s the best we are gonna get under MA and tbf he may well learn and grow into being a great manager but for now we have to be alright with having a good manager

  • 28 Ketsbaia9 // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    There’s too many problems at the club at the moment. It will lead to the sacking of Pardew. We’ll get beat by teams like Fulham, Wigan, Liverpool etc this season. We’ve been found out.

    If teams want to beat us, they just need to exploit our weaknesses.

  • 29 boater // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:12 PM

    Oh no. It’s going to be a long two weeks on here with the mob out for blood. We lost to one of the best teams in Europe for the past 20 years. Wins against Man U cannot be expected every season and they require a lot of luck to make up the gap in quality between us and them – we didn’t get it.

    Pardew is experimenting – maybe not the best game to switch the fullbacks around but he didn’t play Simpson – which you all seemed to think was his biggest downfall. Poor Pardew – he cannot win, how could he be so stupid? So many moaning minnies watching Saudi Arabian streams with their little fantasy teamsheets – and he doesn’t pick exactly your favourite players.. ah booo booo.

  • 30 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    wwycd

    i do

    …..

  • 31 WWYCD // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:15 PM

    Jesper
    Glad we agree haha
    Am sure he has taken responsibilty in his head but not much point coming out and saying ‘I was wrong and my players were pathetic’ in public. As for him being full of himself and his ideas if he doesn’t fully believe in them the players won’t plus ur right he has always been cocky and up himself but name a manger who isn’t :)

    Catchy
    So our injuries haven’t affected our team?

  • 32 catchy in norway // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:16 PM

    boater

    please answer my question no 25,, you have the answers dont you,,

  • 33 WWYCD // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    Matty
    Mate u just said u might well crawl back into ur hole

  • 34 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:18 PM

    …im just not as vociferous as say catchy

    im just not negative by nature but i do strive for excellence, expect the best and that includes both effort and delivery, and in order for all those things to take place you have to have a clear plan, with the right leader, and i don’t think it’s pards

    i’m all for MA’s plan, i just don’t think pards can carry it out. yes, we have to work within very strict confines, and we should’ve strengthened our defence but do the best with what you have. what we have is still well above average and he’s not doing that! at all! in any sense!

    you seem to be pretty open-minded wwycd, but a loss at sunderland with a poor performance would be crippling both for the players and the fans. it’d be hard to pull out of that one

  • 35 catchy in norway // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:18 PM

    WWW

    im sure they have,,

    but can that explain why we have played poor in every game so far

  • 36 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    ….and no thanks, im fine

  • 37 nufc 11 // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    Santon looked really good at Rb yest being saying for a while that shud b played there, willo seem to go thru a mental block yest, harper looked like he shud of had a coffee b4 the game, frgie was shakie bt fin well cisse and ba cannot play together although cheick and cabaye looked good too, shola to start, colo for willo, and well beat mackems

  • 38 jimiley // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    We all need to calm down and realize who we are and where we have come from. The result was disappointing but we need to be patient and realize Rome was not built in a day. Its all part of the 8 year plan. If we play as badly in 8 years time against manure then I feel we have a right to be disappointed and Pardew’s job will be under threat. In 8 years we should be winning things. Keep the faith in Pardew and Ashley.

  • 39 boater // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    Catchy – You always seem to state your opinion as undeniable facts, which by Pardew ignoring makes him undeniably wrong.

    Why should he dismantle a team which overachieved with a fifth place finish. Why should he scrap Jonas for Fergie – who is being brought in as all kids should?

    No, the club can’t bend the space/time continuum to guarantee everything will be the same in the next 8 years, but they can make a statement of support to back their manager – so that when the mob get in a fluster about one bad result the manager feels secure enough to concentrate on the football side not the political side.

  • 40 Jamesthefirst // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:24 PM

    Those saying Pardew has no plan B couldn’t be more wrong.

    Everytime we have started badly this season (Everton, Man Utd), he has changed it tactically and fired a rocket up the players to get a better performance. If not for some bad decisions yesterday we would have drawn that game. Even ardent Man Utd fans I know said we battered them after the second goal.

    Pardew’s fault is not a Plan B. He is always able to turn it around and get the team playing better. That is the sign of a very good Manager, and a great team spirit in the dressing room.

    The problem is how we START games. Whatever he says to them at half time he needs to say before kick-off.

    And remember, it is already Oct, and we have yet to field our strongest 11. Last season out first 11 were a match for anyone. We only struggled when we had to rely on squad players. The difference this season is we are having to rely on squad players every week.

    When Krul, Colo, Taylor, Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa, and BA are finally on the pitch there will be a HUGE difference in playing better football and winning games.

  • 41 WWYCD // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    Matty
    He did well with Hughtons squad and he did amazingly last season surely he has earned a shot and who would take his job and do better?

    Don’t get me wrong am tired of us playing like crap but its not solely down to Pards, our stars haven’t turned up so far and our owner didn’t do nearly enough in the summer despite all the promises.

    As for the mackems I don’t epect a loss its a match we should win without much fuss if our players turn up.

    Catchy
    Because our squad depth is poor, our players were flashing their backsides at other teams and no one single player has played consistantly well

  • 42 catchy in norway // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    at first i was never a Houghton fan, but with the players he had, he did very well,, got us playing football, would he be the guy to take us into the top 5 of the prem,, no ,, but i had respect for him,,

    pardew took over a team that had nothing wrong with it, sold or got rid ov players and got better ones in, now he has better players than what houghton had, he has them playing shit,,

    now all the excuses are coming out,,,

    the score should have been at least 5 – 1 yesterday, but not for poor finishing by welbeck,,,

    we had more of the ball over the whole match,, how many chances did we create ????

  • 43 boater // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    Matty – Exactly how high up the league do you think Pardew should be taking a squad which cost peanuts to assemble compared to all around us? Maybe, just maybe Tiote. Arfa and Ba and Cabaye etc. are better players for playing under his regime – they all say as much in interviews.

  • 44 WWYCD // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    Anyway am off nice chatting haha
    For the record I have nothing against u matty and I respect ur opinion I just disagree with it mate no hard feeling…though if we go on another winning streak I might bring it up again for the sh*ts and giggles. Have a good un

  • 45 catchy in norway // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    boater

    that still dont answer anything,,

    am i asking him to dismantle a team ??? i think not

    jonas left wing or fergy???

    be honest, jonas has not played left wing most of this season, he has tucked in beside tiote and cabaye,,

    in your opinion,, is this needed,, do we need 3 DMC,,,

  • 46 boater // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    Catchy- here’s some advice having read through your comments. You need to lower your expectations. It’s Man u – they wallop most teams, show some dignity and move on to the next one.

  • 47 martoon // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    Some of you lot are unbelievable. The point of the 8 year contract was for long term stability. Not to change the manager after a couple of bad results (assumming the unthinkable happens against the mackems).
    I know I’d certainly rather be in our position with our squad and AP as manager than, say, QPR with a bunch of mercenaries and Mark Hughes as manager.

  • 48 catchy in norway // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    boater

    what has cost got to do with anything??
    thats like saying we have one of the most exspensive teams in the league right now,,, going on what ashley values the players at,

    tiote, 25 mil
    cabaye20 mil
    colo 15 mil
    HBA 25 mil

    these are all figure thast have been banded about,,

    value means nothing,, how they play does

  • 49 catchy in norway // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:39 PM

    boater

    so we should roll over for teams like man u man c, chelsea?? is this what your saying,,,

    there was no fight or creativity in our team yesterday,,,

    did RVP and rooney rip us to bits??? noooo,,

  • 50 jesperfuglsang // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    YO…haha :-D just imagine the headlines ‘I was wrong and the players are pathetic’ ;-) lol

    …All I am saying is if you wants to be one of the best – and I think he can be – you need to be able to look at things differently and learn to kill them damn darlings :-)

  • 51 catchy in norway // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:41 PM

    i can only imaging what a real manager like fergy , wenger, would do with our team

  • 52 Jonny // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    On the Cisse ‘Goal’ Does anyone else think that last season he would have controlled it and just passed it into the back of the net? Wasn’t a great header from what looked like an easy chance.

  • 53 fray bentos // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    @Catchy

    I would be gutted if i had to sit next to you at the games, so its a good thing you appear to live in Norway

    We haven’t played well at the start of the season but were sitting 10th and we have a thin squad with some key players injured, and our team isn’t made of that many special players as some of you belive, what do u want from Pardew?! remember Everton have been started seasons badly for years now but Moyes is hardly a shit manager is he? It is so unfait to blame a manager in Pardews position, if it was so easy to set up a squad playing silky smootjh sexy football then don’t you think everybody would be doing with their thin only recently promoted teams, for f**k sakes get a grip man

  • 54 kingkilkline // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    Lets hope pardew changes a few things. I personally would love to see a 4-2-3-1 formation that can switch to a 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 when needed.
    Krul
    Simmo/anita saylor colo santon
    Jonas tiote
    HBA cabaye obertan/fergie
    Ba/cisse
    Pushes cabaye up into space that was empty behind 2 strikers yesterday!

  • 55 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    boater, martoon

    i don’t want to spend loads of money. like i said, i like ashley’s way. it gives me pride to know we’re not trying to buy success. i just think we could’ve, from the time we sacked hughton, gotten a lot better quality manager and i still believe that now. im not fond of him as a manager or a person. just my thoughts but, i’m not calling for his head at this point. this is his time to prove he’s the type of manager some of you talk him up to be by changing things around

    anyway, am off

  • 56 fray bentos // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    @i can only imaging what a real manager like fergy , wenger, would do with our team

    OUR TEAM IS NOT THAT SPECIAL, who know how them managers would do with our team but they definatley wouldn’t be abel to play the same football they do with Man U and Arsenal, plus how do you think they got to the point they are at now, because of fans and club having patience with them. Fergie wasn’;t well like and didn’t do too well at Man U for 3/4 years before he got them successfull so give PArdew some time you impatient unreasonable cretin

  • 57 kingkilkline // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    Catchy man settle down. Remember how long it took fergie and wenger to build their sides. Fergie nearly got the sack before winning his first cup.
    Get youth side developing players and integrate into first team

  • 58 fray bentos // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    CatchyPost 51 “i can only imaging what a real manager like fergy , wenger, would do with our team”

    OUR TEAM IS NOT THAT SPECIAL, who know how them managers would do with our team but they definatley wouldn’t be abel to play the same football they do with Man U and Arsenal, plus how do you think they got to the point they are at now, because of fans and club having patience with them. Fergie wasn’;t well like and didn’t do too well at Man U for 3/4 years before he got them successfull so give PArdew some time you impatient unreasonable cretin

  • 59 Visten // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:49 PM

    The reason we start slowly in every game is this damn 4-4-2 formation simple as that. The reason we get better after we ship a few goals is we change formation to 4-3-3, it is not rocket science. We get over run in midfield time and again as we play with 2 out and out forward and not a ‘number 10′ who can come deep if needed to make the extra man in midfield. For christ sake Pardew, if you want to play 2 up top you need 2 quality wingers who hug the touchline and wip in the crosses. We have Jonas on the left who’s end product is pants and Ben Arfa on the right who always comes inside.

  • 60 Jail for Ashley // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:49 PM

    Somebody has to take the flak for how poorly we’ve been playing this season and I find it hard to lay the blame on a man who was considered the best in the business by his fellow peers last season,I put the blame on the ownership by rewarding the manager and players(and fans) for all their efforts by the negligent decisions in letting two strikers go without replacement and in my eyes criminal negligence by not bringing in defensive cover which has been obvious to even the most ardent of Mashley fans,even after the injury to utility player RTaylor nothing was done bringing fans to call Pards a yes man yet again for having to publicly back track on his recruitment stance.

  • 61 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:50 PM

    Bit late today, been slowly catching up on a few things that have been said. I would like to award comment of the day to Kets (who else?) for this little gem of football knowledge.

    “If teams want to beat us, they just need to exploit our weaknesses.”

    You are indeed a wise one. Who would have thought the way to beat a tem was to exploit their weaknesses? There was me thinking managers attacked people strengths!

    Well, I missed the game (walked in to see Cleverlys goal and thought, hmmm…could probably do without this one.

    Some mixed reviews from you all, so making a few assumptions. I’m guessing the best thing to do is to move on from this result and see what happens. May not sit well with some fans, but it is Manchester United and whilst we were playing at home, these things do happen. As an isolated game it’s not the end of the world, but our form / performances so far this season have been far from spectacular.

    I honestly don’t think it’s the time for mass panic. We know we could use some extra quality depth if we want to start really pushing the top 4. You’ve all said, the manager has said, the players have said it and I’m sure Ashley and Llambias know it. These players will arrive, it’s a timeline issue for me, not the fact the club aren’t willing or wont buy anyone (as we’ve seen this to not be the case). I know some of you feel if we had paid more (or “the going rate”) we would have been sorted. Maybe, but it’s past and only once January comes can the club do anything about it.

    Jamesthefirst…..Spot on. He clearly does read the game pretty well and usually gets a much better performance from his players. He can tend to leave subs a little late for me, but I’m sure he has his reasons, just not sure we’ll all agree whether they’re correct. I’m waiting to see what happens when Krul, Colo and STaylor are back, they are the three most important, back line players at the club.

    Given our clear defensive frailties at the minute, to an extent I can understand Pardew playing defensively. We are easily exposed at the minute (well, more so than last season), so perhaps the plan is to keep it tight and hit them second half. Problem is we’re inviting to much pressure on ourselves and not coping with it.

    Overall, we’re doing okay, considering league and EL standings. Performances should pick up. Let’s hope so anyway.

    Right then, that was exhausting, might need a lie down.

  • 62 jesperfuglsang // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    matty…sure just read your post mate!

    …I actually think Pardew is a great motivator and has in the past been very good at setting up his players and having a game plan (it might not be pretty all the time and we might be lucky at times) but he get results.

    I don’t think anyone can question his man management skills and for now the most important thing is stability…at least for me.

    No one is beyond criticism and even best has to learn from their mistakes. Pardew need to improve his tactics – finding the right style of play and formation and he need to be better at changing at game that has gone wrong (some would say games shouldn’t go wrong as often as they seem to do at the moment).

    Not everything is his fault, but it is his responsibility (and we are not losing because of the ref – can we at least agree on that?) :D

  • 63 JDdubai // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    Lets be realistic, this season I think we will finish anywhere from 9th to 13th. I honestly think Pardew has his priorities the wrong way round.

    We arent going to get top 4 or top 6 and thats not being defeatist, its realistic. ManU, City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea will be top 5, Everton will probably get 6th at worst so if we accept that we arent going to qualify for Europe through the league then why not prioritise the Europa or FA cup.

    It is our best chance to get into Europe next season, we wont get relegated so focus on winning something. Europa League is our best bet I think.

    But as we all agree, Pardew has to get the team firing from the 1st whistle especially next match. No good starting to play when we are 2 down.

  • 64 Transfer Sage // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    I think 442 works with Ba and shola

    If we want to play Ba and cisse it has to be 433 with Ba wide

    If he wants to play Ba central as lone striker then cisse benched for me.

    Any of those 3 work well for us. The problem is playing players ins formation which doesn’t suite them.

  • 65 Transfer Sage // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    Also I’m not being overly critical of pardew

    Any manager would have struggles with our team yesterday. Willo and perch are ok with another cb alongside then, together they aren’t experienced enough and have the required ability as a two. Either with Taylor or colo and its not too bad.

    Hopefully one thing pardew can put right is our slow start to games, we are going away games before we start playing.

  • 66 Rotonda heights // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    Catchy you’re right.

    We are playing shit. We are struggling to beat the likes of Norwich and Reading who could only dream of the calibre of player we have (Benny, Cabs, Tiote, Ba, Colo etc)

    I would love to see what a real ”footballing” manager could do with that group of players, ie pass and move in a 4231. Take off their straitjackets and let them play. Stop worrying about the opposition all the time. Manu made us look like Stoke !!!

    I have steadfastly supported Ashley but this Wonga business just unmasks a lot of tackyness. A superb brand name like Virgin ditched for that scum.

  • 67 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    Rotonda…Has the Wonga deal been confirmed then?

  • 68 kingkilkline // Oct 8, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    Ibiza some level headed comments there. Agree we shouldn’t panic and get our 1st team back out there

  • 69 catchy in norway // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    fray bentos

    why the name calling???

    our team is not that special ,, your right,, but it is way better than what it is showing right now

    open your eyes man,, we do not play football, we have no style other than long ball, ( that even proved by the times yesterday) we play more long balls than any other team,,

    is tiote cabaye HBA and even jonas really that bad that we should just bypass them ??

    my argument is,, we are a team trying to get around 5th position this year,, not my target so dont shot me,,

    we have in our team 2 great CF who can score goals but we create nothing for them,,, who sets the team up??? pardew,

    do you think our forwards are poor??? they dont get many chances do they,, everyone can see that,, BA is on 6 goals already,, most teams would kill to have our 3 forwards, (HBA) included we do nothing with them

    i really dont rate pardew,,

  • 70 kingkilkline // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    Ibiza Wonga deal being discussed still. God knows what stage

  • 71 kingkilkline // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:04 PM

    Man utd have 5 international cb. We have 1. Nuff said

  • 72 fray bentos // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    @Rotonda

    Benni was awfull yesterday, hes a great player on his day but not as great as some of you lot seem to think, ofcourse many of you don’t watch everything and you only notice highlights

    Cabs has not been himself this seaon so far

    Colo & tiote have hardly played

    Ba has been mint but as a forward he cant affect the play that much

    We don’t have a squad of players who are fully adept at playing silky short passing technical football all the time, you should know this as you probably have a go at Wilko, simpson, shola et al for this every week

  • 73 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    Lads an honest question if it was WONGA or no further investment after VIRGIN would you take it or not?

    I get the feeling some really would not.

    Quite incredible.

  • 74 jesperfuglsang // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    Isn’t it a bit strange, that Newcastle has opted to cancel the Virgin deal (for whatever reason) if a new deal is not reach yet?

    …what if the Wonga deal hits a stumbling ground? (not that I would like to be sponsored by Wonga, but I am not counting on Mike to ask me)

  • 75 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    KINGKILCLINE,yea man utd have 5 international full backs but they were still moaning their tits off last week after spurs beat them about not having sufficient cover.

    It seem you just cant win can you.

  • 76 fray bentos // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:11 PM

    @Catchy

    Why the name calling?!

    Cos im embarrased that your a fellow fan, this is based on every single post you have ever posted

    I wouldn’t be suprised if you one of the fan on here who said we should sell Ba after he got into his goaless streak last season, you only post to say negatives stuff and when we play well you are nowhere to be seen

    Im glad Ashley has confidence him, 8 year contract is AMAZING NEWS and you can’t do a single thing about it, stop moaning & support your team

  • 77 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:11 PM

    I hope by the way if it is not in fact wonga who are going to take over sponsorship that a few on here will hold their hands up instead of the outcry of their feelings getting hurt cos they dont like who it is.

    such a sensitive lot us geordies eh!

  • 78 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    King…..Maybe it’s easier as I didn’t watch the game :) There is no disputing that if they had got in another CB and FB, then right now, we’d probably not be in the same sort of problems. However, we have been hit hard with injuries so far and are “coping” ok. Not what we want, but it could be a lot worse. If this is the worst that we’ll have to deal with this season, then I can handle that. If when players are back we don’t start to see an improvement, then I’ll start putting more belief in to a deeper problem.

    Catchy….Can I ask who you think we should have got in as manager? I was not a fan or Pardew arriving at SJP, but he has taken us up a level (maybe just first season luck?) from Hoots. I don’t know who some of you expect to take over at the club. We have a horrible history with regards to managers (we even fired one of the bests in Bobby Robson – Oh yeah, what an attractive option we are), so I just don’t see who it is people think we should have.

  • 79 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    Hi Jesper….I find it really odd that they would cancel the Virgin deal without something else being lined up. Doesn’t add up for me. In the meantime though, let’s assume the worst and b*tch like there’s no tomorrow!

  • 80 fray bentos // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    @ibizatoon

    Going point, yeah for all the pardew haters, who would you have liked to take job? and be realistic please cos not many managers would have went anywhere near us and still won’t now considering Ashleys transfer policy

  • 81 blew // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    Started the game with 7 of the Wizard Carrs wonder boys, then another 2 came on, didnt they look ordinary at best. You get what you pay for, but some have been good, others not so good. Man U must have a better scouting system.

  • 82 Rotonda heights // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:19 PM

    Fray bentoos

    I think Shola has been excellent this season. but as has been pointed out to you not just by me is we always have to go a goal down before we switch to a better style. If everything was great there wouldn’t be any arguments on here. The fact there is suggests everything is not rosy. I’ve watched one good game this season, the bordeux one.

  • 83 euanpolo // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:21 PM

    What a surprise. All the FA does is make it easier for the biggest clubs and harder for clubs trying to catch them.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19873605

  • 84 jesperfuglsang // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:21 PM

    Ibiza…I second that notion :D

    …lets bitch like there is no tomorrow…lol

    Things are not going as they should – and we get frustrated! I makes perfect sense, but as Ibiza says(always a better diplomat that I ;)) lets see how we are doing when we back at full capacity (maybe that will never be – who knows).

  • 85 jesperfuglsang // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:22 PM

    * I = it (but non the less I do make perfect sense as well ;D) lol

  • 86 Rotonda heights // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    Fray bentos

    Martinez

    Give him the players we have we’d be good to watch as well.

    The way Wigan smashed us 4-0 with some very average players and no money suggests he could do a great job somewhere else

  • 87 jesperfuglsang // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    euanpolo…your FA has always been the laughing stock where I come from (don’t know if that helps i any way?) :D

  • 88 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    Blew….Bit unreasonable mate. The Man U scouting system has been in place for years. Why does everyone think things just happen when you appoint certain personnel? They need some time to bring it all together, in the meantime, we’re doing okay.

  • 89 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    I have a great idea I will email Pardew and tell him we should exploit other teams weaknesses e-i e-i e-i-o, up the premier league we go….. :)

  • 90 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Ibiza, i have a pal who is anti MA and when we get beat the first thing i get is a phone call to say how crap we were and how its all gone tits up, if we win i hear nothing.

    I could end up in a screaming match with him every time thing is it is beacuse he got most things wrong over the last threee years and tries to vindicate himself to me which is not worlking just like at the start of last season when AP said we would try and push for europe most were laughing their heads off..

    When we got there it was different though i did not read many saying they held their hands up, every seemingly mistake every desision that is not to the still majoritys likeng gets pounced on, we were involved in maybe the third biggest game on the planet yesterday and as i have mentioned before the majority thought we would be playing crewe or peterboro.

  • 91 catchy in norway // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:28 PM

    frey,, hey we carnt all be little pricks like you who,,

    i have nothing against the team, and i get behind most of who pulls on a black and white shirt,

    obertan, will never be good enough, but other than him i have not had many bad words to say about our current squad,
    best was not good enough, i didnt like him to,,

    plaese tell me what an 8 year contract means??? he can still be fired, the contract probably has a lot of clauses in it,, or he could walk away,, what will the 8 year contract mean then???

    ibiza,,,

    i dont know, hoots wasnt doing that bad, clarky plays good football,

    instead of having a go at me,, for not getting behind pardew,, can some one please tell me what style we play,,,

    yes our first choice CBS are not fit,, but he has his first choice midfield and forwards,, please tell me why we dont create much,,,,

    3 out of his first 11 are not playing, not 7 out of the 11

  • 92 catchy in norway // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    Rotonda heights

    id be more than happy with him,, his teams get the ball down and play,,
    can you imagin if he had our forwards

  • 93 Rotonda heights // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:30 PM

    beefman

    I have supported ashley all the way against the likes of Solano etc, but I am disappointed with being associated with Wonga. Nothing to do with being sensitive, more like ethical

  • 94 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:30 PM

    Rotonda….Not a bad call on Martinez. Not exactly a well establish and successful manager though. You can assume he would do a better job, nothing more (although it is likely he would put more emphasis on style of play). I will point out that a lot of people are saying what they’re annoyed with is our ugly football. I point you to Arsenal, who play decent attractive football, but haven’t won anything in years. Their fans b*tch like it’s the end of the world. What I am saying is, most fans will always want more and want it then. It’s just not realistic.

    Jesper….That’s not to take away from the fact that if we had got more players in we’d likely be doing better, but that’s not really down to Pardew at the end of the day and it seems that he is now the one in question.

  • 95 mattnufc // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:30 PM

    Van Persie will not face action after elbowing Yohan Cabaye, the FA confirm.
    Unbelievable, although I would have bet my life savings this would be the outcome.

  • 96 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:32 PM

    OH and while ive got my back up JAIL FOR ASHLEY, spending a year in jail with ian huntley is not to good for you and chuck in that other horrible bastard bridger as well. and let you convalese ian brady as well!!!!!! just for good measure, you moaning c..t.

  • 97 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    Rotonda in business ethical does not come in to it, i would not eat a rat but if i was starving it would get fried and done in.

    You just cant always have what you want and, and it may not be wonga anyway.

    would you rather have bank of america?

  • 98 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    Tsunki…Brilliant, no?

    Beefman…Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you’re right, some seem to wait for it all to go tits up (or at least seem that way to them). Not sure if it’s so they can say, see, I knew this would happen or if it’s someway to manage their own expectations and possibly disappointments?

    Catchy….Hoots? Howay. Pardew isn’t doing too bad either. So no other reasonable suggestions then?

    We will never meet middle ground on the issue of our “style”, as you have said you felt we played 2 good games last season (I think it was you anyway). If that’s where you’re starting, you and I have not a chance in hell :) I said earlier, I think we’re set up defensively, due to the frailties in our current defense. When the back is sorted, it’s easier to let the attackers do just that…attack.

    At the minute, the midfield is having to sit too far back, leaving too much space between them and the forwards.

    Let’s all just enjoy international break (ha ha – at least we’ll have something different to complain about) and see how things look when the majority will be back.

    Right, short but sweet today for me. Am off.

    Take it easy one and all

  • 99 jesperfuglsang // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    Ibiza…it is not always fun to be the silver supremo :)

    …he’s in charge and there it is his responsibility (not always easy is it mate)!

    I am pretty sure he would have liked another 2-3 or three players in the summer and we are currently paying the prize.

    there is nothing to do about that until January anyway, so until then we need to sort out the tactics and find a way to cope!

    I have always thought the best defense is an offensive so keep the bloody ball out of our defense ;D) lol

  • 100 outsidethebox // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    check out man utd and howard webb stats…webb now says he saw incident .so rvp cannot be charged …is it not time that nufc like other anon clubs refuse to have webb when they play man u who is more interested in pacifying fergie ….what was four mins injury time at half time if not another attempt to curry favour …

  • 101 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    Jesper….I shall leave you with a song then :)

    “It ain’t easy, it ain’t easy
    It ain’t easy to get to heaven when you’re going down

    Well all the people have got their problems
    That ain’t nothing new
    With the help of the good Lord
    We can all pull on through
    We can all pull on through
    Get there in the end
    Sometimes it’ll take you right up and sometimes down again

    It ain’t easy, it ain’t easy
    It ain’t easy to get to heaven when you’re going down”

  • 102 catchy in norway // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    ibiza

    dont look at the table, and tell me we play football to the std of player we have,,

    we do play the worst football in the league,,

    ARS may not have won anything for a few years,, but there a team who try and win things,, pardew got us knocked out of the cup early AGAIN

  • 103 outsidethebox // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:43 PM

    whilst on soap box…whats happening about serious divers bale and suarez ..is it not about time they were banned for 3 games and warned next action will be 6 weeks

  • 104 jesperfuglsang // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:43 PM

    If memory serves me correctly we received a match ban for something the ref saw, but didn’t think was a fault at the time (just cannot wrap my head around what game or player it was) hmm…

    …something tells me it was either Cabs or Willo. Can anyone remember or I am imagining things? :D

  • 105 Jail for Ashley // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    Look North have just run a story on the wonga saga so there must be some substance to it,they’re going to have to start knocking these international breaks on the head.

  • 106 Jail for Ashley // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:51 PM

    Beefman,
    Take a chill pill dude you’ll give yourself a connery going on like that.

  • 107 jesperfuglsang // Oct 8, 2012 at 1:51 PM

    Ibiza…you know I do love a great song ones in a while :D

    …and Bowie always make me smile (it was intended to be on Honky Dory, but somehow ended up on Ziggy)

    ‘Pushing thru the market
    Square
    So many mothers sighing
    News had just come over,
    We had five years left to cry in’

    …ohh lets hope that won’t be the case ;D lol

  • 108 WWYCD // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:01 PM

    Ok I couldn’t stay away too long…I get bored very easily. What’s the current chat? Wonga deal now?

  • 109 cyprus // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:02 PM

    Positive couple of recent things:
    -HBA has talked of his love for team and coach
    -AP has said we are nufc and we play every game to win it (did not know that!)
    -Fergie 1 has said we are a decent side, Fergie 2 has been improving as a player

  • 110 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:06 PM

    Ibiza, off course everyone has an opinion i respect that totally but the supporters who were behind the current regime at the toon got worse than dogs abuse three years ago for believing we would again get back in to the prem and go forward, which i believe we have and are ahead of our proposed plan for the club.

    listen we done man utd in january we bullied them, harrased them and got

    the three points, yesterday they got their tactics spot on and took the three points simple as.

    they were more than worried about us at the start, and rooney and ferguson both said its as difficult a place as there is to come to, that shows me how far we have came, they were seriously worried and played it like a champions league game with the same intensity. that for me shows we are feared by many that shows me we are a force to be reckoned with and we are by all prem teams.

    We have came forward massivly, no need for negativity what so ever. we are feared, man utd were at their very best yesterday, we ended up with as much possesion in the end and had some good chances, we are a good team.

    In may the table will show we are a very good team as well.

  • 111 IndieGeordie // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:16 PM

    Good analysis on the match here…

    http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/10/08/newcastle-0-3-manchester-united-fergusons-diamond-forces-newcastle-to-change-shape/

    I do not think Pardew/anyone would have predicted the MU diamond in midfield even though they used it in CL. Pards changed it as soon as he saw his system not working, but what can he do about his defence being as shambolic as it was for the first 25 minutes!!

  • 112 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    Jail, you do like a moan kidda, no need for it imo, nobody could have done a better job than AP has done under the circumstances, not saying he is the greatest manager ever but he has done wonders at NUFC, the management coaching staff and scouting staff have exceeded expectations by a million miles imo. more credit than you and a few others are giving them is needed.

    I think i will have to build a darkened padded room like ibiza has when he is stressed!

  • 113 fray bentos // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    @Rotonda

    Martinez isn’t a bad answer but remind where Wigan finsihed last season? didn’t they nearly get relegated or was that the year before

    Nobody doubts that we have no played well this season so far but all teams have bad streaks especially those teams with very thing squads, no back up defence, underporforming big players & injuries to captain and big players. Give the season more time, just have some patience

  • 114 Jail for Ashley // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    Beefman,
    There is no denying I do like a moan where Mashley is concerned by my gripes aren’t against Pards as you can see from my posts defending him,but I am seriously opposed to the Mashley regime and this talk of him being our saviour.Like all walks of life you will have opposing factions I just happen to be on the side that is anti Ashley and you on the other,doesn’t always have to end in civil war.

  • 115 Jail for Ashley // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    by =but

  • 116 lucasnufc // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:31 PM

    No charge against RVP. Never thought I’d find myself agreeing with Ashley Cole, vis a vis the FA.

  • 117 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    We’re going to implode at some stage, that’s what we do. There’s no way Pardew will be around for 8 years in this modern era, I wouldn’t even be confident in 2 years at this moment in time.

  • 118 Rotonda heights // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    Fray

    It’s a bloody miracle he’s kept them up 2 years running on no money whatsoever. it’s all relative. That blackpool manager’s name escapes me but he couldn’t keep them up.

    I also said Di matteo would have been a great choice at the time.

    Give him a bigger club, with more money and better players.

  • 119 Rotonda heights // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    fray

    as catchy said we’ve got defenders out, but our mid and attack have created zilch

  • 120 fray bentos // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:38 PM

    @Rotonda

    yeah you could say that about Martinez ofocurse but then you could say the same about Pardew who got us to 5th on hardly any money, you got double standards

    Di Matteo has been allowed to buy 3/4 amazing players with shed loads of money, its not comparable to be honest

  • 121 Rotonda heights // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:38 PM

    beefman

    I would rather have kept virgin. i think we were on to a good thing there.

  • 122 fray bentos // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    @rotonda

    Where do plays start tho? at the back do they not

    and posters have wild expectations of our players, people touting 2-30 millions for certain players, utter madness, if they were that special they would have been bought by Man C or Chelsea during the summer

  • 123 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:41 PM

    Catchy…Are you just skimming my posts? I didn’t say that we were playing well this season, did i? If you are saying don’t look at last seasons table as an indication of how we played, then I think you need a serious dose of reality mate.

    It wasn’t always pretty, but with the exception of Barcelona I can’t think of one team that constantly plays the beautiful game. We got what we got as that is what we deserved.

    My point about the table was, that we are currently out of form, missing key players, I don’t think we’ve been able to field a normal starting 11 yet, have we? Yet we are still where a reasonable fan would expect. Not doing great, but certainly not in big trouble.

    I don’t want to fight and am certainly not saying Pardew is the greatest or even one of the best managers around, but I do feel he one of the best managers we could have got and across the board is doing a good job. He hasn’t even been at the club a full 2 years, has had the old core players removed, integrated a bunch of foreign players in to the squad and PL. Does no one understand the term “long term plan”?

    I can get a toon fan, who is perhaps past the youthful part of their life being frustrated and wanting to see success. If you really can’t see steady improvement though, we clearly do see things totally different.

    Jesper….Can’t go wrong with a bit of Bowie (Thanks for the info, had no idea that had been intended for Hunky Dory originally).

  • 124 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    Jail, criminal negligence, that is outragous we have 5 players who can play right back four who can play left back? maybe a quality centre half in pre season would have been lovely but who predicts the future with both centre halfs getting crocked, look at man utd last week they were supposed to be lacking and not a hope for the prem after spurs beat them and they have 5 international centre halfs.

    you just cant win.

    no doubt you would have been burning effergies of the glazer family if you had been a man utd fan.

    well man utd are in debt but with them it is always sustainable and are worth maybe 250 million more than their debt so they will always be ok.

    we are building all the time and are very healthy, we have a very good team. we will get better as well, obviously your mind is not for changing, that is for me your own stuborness.

    but criminal negligence, ive heard everything now.

    I think we should just blank one anothers posts.
    you just cannot see the light for the trees.

  • 125 tequilamag // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    Well Catchy has certainly been a busy boy today.
    Must have felt like all his birthdays had come at once with that result yesterday. Strange how we never heard a peep from him when we beat Bordeaux.
    Poor result but a couple of weeks till Sunderland and should have a much stronger back line to pick from by then.

  • 126 fray bentos // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    @tequilamag

    Haha he definattely likes to wallow in misery

    I reckon he has one them rainclouds hanging over him wherever he goes like in the cartoons

  • 127 Alain Pardeaux // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    Look how well we played last season when we went to 4-3-3. we need to change it from 4-4-2, its just not working. Ba has to stop moaning or one of them needs to be dropped for marv or obertan

  • 128 Jail for Ashley // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    Beefman,
    It’s a shame you feel that way as I don’t mind your posts however pro Mashley they might sound.

  • 129 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Tequlamag – ha ha birthday boy love that. :) don’t forget ketsy is banging them off at a rapid rate as well.

  • 130 Alain Pardeaux // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    that 8 mill on anita should have gone towards getting a decent cb

  • 131 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    Jail….Very diplomatic today, whilst sticking to your guns of course.

    Tsunki….Where’s your control over the blog gone? We’re nearly at your weekly review and you aint on no 8 year contract mate….

  • 132 tequilamag // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    Ah Ketsy gotta love him.

  • 133 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/8149199

    Panic over guys. Kets’ dream of Xisco firing them in for us may be closer than we’d thought or liked :)

  • 134 fray bentos // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    As is Rotonda

  • 135 Alain Pardeaux // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    xisco can be our fabio borini

  • 136 tequilamag // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Excellent news Ibiza, panic over Xisco is back.

  • 137 WWYCD // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    Is the reserves match getting any coverage tonight? I fancy seeing what the disco has to offer these days :)

  • 138 Ketsbaia9 // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    We could do with someone like Sven Goran Eriksson. He has a fantastic management record at club level and also did well with England. It’d be worth appointing him. He’ll also be able to attract top class players.

  • 139 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    all hail XISCO!!

  • 140 fray bentos // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    Ketabaia why don’t we just buy a new team every year and appoint a new manager every week

  • 141 Munster Mag // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    Munster Mag // Oct 8, 2012 at 11:08 AM

    Bloody hell that was a bit of a shocker yesterday. I dont thunk Pardew should be hiding behind the fact that it was against Man U …..we shouldnt be beaten so easily at home, especially as Man U were not even playing well to date. They outclassed us technically all over the pitch – and their kids looked technically much better than ours too. Loads of reasons for concern but yet again WHY DID ASHLEY NOT STRENGHEN IN THE SUMMER? I cant imagine a huge unit like Douglas would not have helped us on those corners. I think we have some real issues:

    1. Pardew cannot decide if he really wants a 4-3-3 formation
    2. He was incorrect in his assertion ( in sofar as we can see ) that Cisse and Ba would work together. He felt Ba would play short, and Cisse up top. I wish it could happen.
    3. The only way they will work together ( apart from the sweeper system i showed you all before ) is by playing good wingers, consistently.
    4. Why is Pardew not able to motivate the team for ANY first half ( or so it seems ) this season?
    5. Will people please stop trying to suggest that Tiote is worth 20-25 mill. He’s not, and never was. And he’s getting worse, unless his fitness is about 70%. If this guy is fit, we have an issue
    6. Fergie is not a full back – he doesnt get close enough to wingers and probably isn’t strong enough.
    7. Its time for Pardew to man up, make a decision about his strikers and get on with it.
    8. If a club fannies around in the summer over signings and plays brinkmanship, it tends to come back and bit you in the ass when injuries inevitably pile in. This has come to pass , as many of us predicted.
    9. Cabaye is still 25% down on where he was last season. Its doesnt surprise me that he got hurt as he’s a petulant little bo11ocks himself with far too much needle in him.

    I didnt really appreciate it, but as I pointed out yesterday, the Sunday Times has pointed out that we are the biggest long ball merchants in the premiership. We are also the worst at breaking up other teams play . I had been comfortable with 4-4-2 but we dont have the players to play it.

    This is probably the first time I have ever posted something which looks anti Pardew. I’m actually a Pardew fan.

  • 142 tequilamag // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Tsunki, you woke him up.

  • 143 fray bentos // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    Time to add some positivity

    we have now played 4 of the top 5 current teams in the league, and the the one we haven’t are very possibly not as good as they were last season

  • 144 Ketsbaia9 // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    We don’t need a whole new team. We just need 6/7 first team signings. We lost to a mediocre team yesterday and it’s not good enough. The game was written off before a ball was kicked because the backline including Ferguson, Williamson and Perch was an absolute joke and disgrace.

  • 145 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    http://www.footballtradedirectory.com/news/2012/october/money-talks-as-newcastle-mega-deal.html

    Does anyone actually “know” how much the Virgin deal was for? This article claiming £3m p.a, which frankly, is pathetic.

    Also, I had no idea Wonga sponsored Blackpool.

  • 146 tequilamag // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    @ Kets quite right if only they had played Simmo.’
    Ibiza it`s an odd one the Virgin deal. It was widely reported as 10 mill a year when the deal was struck. Now it seems it was 10 mill for the whole 3 years.
    Fray, like your style mate.

  • 147 geordie1892 // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    As Munster mag pointed out we are without doubt the most blatant long ball players in the league. Where people get the idea that we play fast fluent football I have no idea because we haven’t this season and to my memory very rarely play like that last year. I love Demba but him and cisse do not work with our style of football, long ball 442.

    I know it hurts but the reality is this is how we play. Ball goes long from keeper, win/lose knockdown play ball back, sideways, back to centre back then hoof. Rinse and repeat until possession is lost. Am I wrong?

  • 148 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    A medicore team? What are Manchester City then? As if Man U are mediocre, the whole premier league is cr*p based on last season.

    Munster…Can you clear up number 9 for me?

    Matty, Yo and Tequila….What do you reckon the odds on Xisco being the leagues top scorer are come the end of the season? May be worth a £5 bet, would be like printing money

  • 149 fray bentos // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    @kets

    haha Man U are a mediocre team!!!

    Comedy gold

  • 150 tequilamag // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    Munster, like every other team we play short and long, though I would agree we all prefer to see the ball played on the deck. Do you not think part of the problem has been injuries to key players. I think once Saylor Collo are back the performances will pick up.Don`t think you can compare Pardews style of play with someone like Allardyce whos style of plat is to get the ball forward in the shortest amount of passes possible.

  • 151 tequilamag // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    Sorry misread last post for 1892.
    Xisco for top scorer … well I do like a gamble.

  • 152 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    I think we also need to consider than apart from Santon, I don’t believe Pardew has gotten a single defender in yet. Therefore, we’re using the same players that were used to using that pump it up there mentality from a few years ago. Seeing as defense is where our play normally starts, it’s no wonder why the midfield are getting bypassed. There have been improvements from all defenders and ultimately they will probably need to be upgraded. One CB whilst helpful, would not fix this problem over night. It will take some time.

  • 153 Munster Mag // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    Ibiza, if you wantch the match you will see cabaye getting involved with their horrible pr1ck of a striker on and off in the second half. Cabaye is a little toad ( albeit our little toad ! ) who asks for trouble.

  • 154 tequilamag // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    Ibiza far too sensible a post. We want answers and we want them now.
    Felt sorry for Fergie yeterday. Tough game to be asked to play FB, looked a little lost. Am sure his time will come though but hopefully as a winger.

  • 155 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:06 PM

    Munster…Really? Must I? :) He’s French, what can we say? I saw the arm to the face thing on a replay, but didn’t see anything that surrounded it.

    Tequila…Sorry, what was I thinking. Pardew blew an easy game yesterday.

    If only we’d bought 5-7 new players and had Abied, Xisco and Ranger been playing. Damn you Pardew *Shakes Fists*

  • 156 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    Sorry, that still wasn’t good enough. I’m going to go smoke some crack, look through my panini collection, play some championship manager and I’ll be back to you. Peace out. Sorry, I mean Ashley out!

  • 157 giimps // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    Long ball is inevitable when your midfield rarely get the ball and even more rarely get inside opponents half.
    Our back 5 is completely different to the one which got us 11 games unbeaten last season.
    Krull, Simmo, Tayls, Collo and Raylor would not have conceeded half the goals we have this season.
    Once we have our optimum defence playing, this will allow our midfielders to play more advanced and allow Pards the security of one defensive midfielder and 3 or 4 attacking players.
    We have done quite well this season with what we have on the field at least in the 2nd half of games (Pards changes the play once he sees how poor we are)
    I think we should be OK but also think Douglas and Debuchy will be here in the Jan transfer window (at least Debuchy, as we will have saved the extra cost by not paying his wages for 6 months)
    The international break will give us a chance to get our defence back (and Timmy) then we can start playing football again)
    HWTL

  • 158 Munster Mag // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    Tequila, I think the long ball stat speaks for itself. We just dont pass the ball well. The team is regressing in my opinion – not drastically, but definitely going backwards, largely due to :
    1. Poor first halves of nearly every game
    2. Tactical uncertainty – 442 v 433
    3. Key players not playing well ( and injuries, to be fair)
    4. Lack of investment to strengthen the first team/squad.

    In reality, Ben Arfa and Ba have carried this team this season. We didnt invest when we should have, as was pointed out so many times by me and others, only to be told we didnt understand or we didnt see the big picture, or we would have to wait till close of the window etc. In reality, it we had paid 2-3 million more we might have two exta players by now, and who says we would be considered a soft touch in the market for that? Its a ridiculous argument. Liverpool were a soft touch, but if they toughen up in transfers now, that image will soon be forgotten. We played a Forest reject and an ex Pompey centre half, because its all we have!! Its not all doom and gloom – we have a decent manager and some good players – but we are not doing well and we need to face facts, not hide behind the fact that Man U are a good team. Up till yesterday, they were playing really badly, with a weak central defence and were there to be attacked. Reality is if you sleepwalk into a 0-2 scoreline, and dont have centre halves who can clear a ball from a set piece, you’re on a hiding to nothing. In the meantime, we play ball with a bunch of knacker shirt sponsors and Ashley laughs with his mate. Its not panic time, but a few things came home to roost yesterday.

  • 159 tequilamag // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM

    @ Munster agree with many of your points, we got caught cold from 2 set pieces and that never looks good. Would that have happened if Colo Saylor and Krul were playing ? I think not, hence my point about injuries being the key factor in less than great performances this year. I don`t think there is a supporter on here who was happy that we never strenghthened the defence. That said its still early in the season and a bit too early to go into panic mode. Can`t really draw any conclusions yet as to how good we will be this year. Football is ll about opinions and we all see the game differently. For me I think its a bit odd that many on here are slating Pards so early in the season especially after what we achieved last year.

  • 160 Rake // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:17 PM

    The European fixtures give us less time to prepare for a game could that be why we are starting slowly?

  • 161 Monument Mal // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    You’d think Pardew would have more sense than spout in the press about Fergie being worried about playing us….I wonder if the press cuttings are still pinned to the away team dressing room wall at SJP?

  • 162 MapleLeafToon // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:34 PM

    I have been reading on this blog that things will change for the better when Saylor gets back! how many England senior caps does he have! Zero!!! we have no English players on this team period with any senior English caps at all. Saylor is an slightly above average CB at best and I only give him that praise because he attacks corner kicks and gets us the odd couple of goals. Willo below average CB reserve team player, Simmo average RB, Perch average utility player, stop gap fill in at best. Replacing these players is what is needed for NUFC, no more below average or everyday mediocre players needed in our back line period. Get senior cap world experienced and class defenders! and let us fight for a top 5 position!!!! Can any of these players make it into Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City, Man U… I think not! So why should we be be content with this unworthy lot of players!!!!! Till the defence is sorted we will not be playing in CL nor will we be challenging for the league…Top ten at best this season, I hope it does not get any worse…

  • 163 Carryingcoals // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    We don’t have any right to be amonst the top 6. We are still progressing. Taylor’s return, along with Colo will boost the defense. Throw Simmo int here and keep a solid backline and back to back wins will come.




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