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Xisco In From The Cold – £1.5M Per Appearance For Magpies

4:11 pm, Monday, October 8th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 177 Comments

Xisco is coming in from the cold (baby it’s cold outside),  and we were wondering when he would be playing again for Newcastle, since he’s been sighted in training during the Alan Pardew press conferences he gives to nufcTV.

Xisco – in training recently at Benton

The 26-year-old Spanish U21 International, who we paid an astonishing £5.7M for just four years ago from Deportivo, and who are paying £50K/week to on his five year deal, has only appeared 11 times for the Newcastle first team, and scored one goal and that was on his debut against Hull City at St. James’ Park – just after Kevin Keegan had left the club in September of 2008.

If you include his transfer fee and his wages over the last four years, that’s close to £1.5M per appearance and about £16M per goal Newcastle have paid out for the Spaniard.

That’s even a worse deal than we got out of Michael Owen – and that’s saying something.

Both those deals were not the best Newcastle have made in their history – in fact they are the worst – by far.

The Spaniard has been included in the U21 squad to play at Aston Villa tonight in the Professional Development League.

Xisco spent most of last season on loan at his former club Deportivo La Coruna, and he helped them to get promoted back to the Spanish first division with two good goals late in the season, but we suppose Deportivo didn’t want to take him back on loan this season, and no other club came in for him either.

Here’s the full squad for tonight’s game:

Mehdi Abeid, Jak Alnwick, Romain Amalfitano, Adam Campbell, Dan Gosling, JJ Hooper, Bradden Inman, Marcus Maddison, Brandon Miele, Conor Newton, Michael Riley, Lubo Satka, James Tavernier, Haris Vuckic, Freddie Woodman, Xisco

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177 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Toonboy_84 // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    Who mentioned him on the last thread then? Own up!

    :)

  • 2 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:18 PM

    ;)

  • 3 Toonboy_84 // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:21 PM

    1.5 mil per game? Bargain!

  • 4 Munster Mag // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    Tequila, I think the long ball stat speaks for itself. We just dont pass the ball well. The team is regressing in my opinion – not drastically, but definitely going backwards, largely due to :
    1. Poor first halves of nearly every game
    2. Tactical uncertainty – 442 v 433
    3. Key players not playing well ( and injuries, to be fair)
    4. Lack of investment to strengthen the first team/squad.

    In reality, Ben Arfa and Ba have carried this team this season. We didnt invest when we should have, as was pointed out so many times by me and others, only to be told we didnt understand or we didnt see the big picture, or we would have to wait till close of the window etc. In reality, it we had paid 2-3 million more we might have two exta players by now, and who says we would be considered a soft touch in the market for that? Its a ridiculous argument. Liverpool were a soft touch, but if they toughen up in transfers now, that image will soon be forgotten. We played a Forest reject and an ex Pompey centre half, because its all we have!! Its not all doom and gloom – we have a decent manager and some good players – but we are not doing well and we need to face facts, not hide behind the fact that Man U are a good team. Up till yesterday, they were playing really badly, with a weak central defence and were there to be attacked. Reality is if you sleepwalk into a 0-2 scoreline, and dont have centre halves who can clear a ball from a set piece, you’re on a hiding to nothing. In the meantime, we play ball with a bunch of knacker shirt sponsors and Ashley laughs with his mate. Its not panic time, but a few things came home to roost yesterday. Hopefully we will see improvement soon. The Mackems game will focus the minds, and hopefully the effort. I saw them on the box and they looked decent enough – passed the ball more than i would have thought?

  • 5 tequilamag // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:28 PM

    @ Munster I replied to your post, its on previous thread.

  • 6 Tom4Nufc // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    Am I the only one who find’s it quite odd that a 26 year old can be included in an U21’s squad?!

  • 7 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    The 26 year old who has to be developed into a professional player in a U-21 squad. And he’ll be a sub. Priceless.

    Well we had this coming its been over a week since the last xisco thread. Didn’t he turn up at the team photo shoot recently, a sort of Spanish ‘Where’s Wally’?

    If we ever have to turn to him as a striker option I will start agreeing with Ketsy.

  • 8 JDdubai // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:47 PM

    Having watched both teams quite a bit this season, the mackems have played far better football than we have and look dangerous. They play 442 but have dangerous players on either wing where as we dont and a front 2 that work well with Sessegnon playing behind Flethcer to create, ie a partnership. Not 2 forwards who dont have a clue how to work together.

    If we dont improve the performance against them we will lose, simple. This is the first derby Iv looked at for a while where I think we will struggle.

    Come on Pards, get the team at it from the off, but someone control Tiote please. Hope he doesnt look for revenge on Cattermole, am sure Cattermole nailed him in the first few minutes last match with a cheap shot??

  • 9 Kc-Toon // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    i wouldnt mind if someone could clarify the difference between last years reserve league compared to this under 21 development league? I remember seeing luis saha pitted against young alex kitchen in the derby match, along with a few other oldies

  • 10 Tom4Nufc // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:49 PM

    I apologise for this but…

    … It’s a shame we weren’t WISE to Xisco before we bought him!

    I agree with you though Tsunki it’s just ridiculous!

  • 11 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:49 PM

    JDubai

    in fairness they looked better than us last season this time too. still can’t comprehend how we ended up with 3 points. def didn’t deserve anything at that fixture last year

  • 12 davybtoon // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:50 PM

    Well lads what the crack is the world about to end bcoz of yesterday’s defeat or are we being positive

    My view is first 15mins cost us no one to blame the whole team sat to deep which cost us the goals n the games I actually thought willo n perch were very good n santon n ferguson at full back was a joy to watch IMO

    We’ve only been beat off man utd n Chelsea no disgrace in that

  • 13 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:54 PM

    Munster, so your not happy as usual, and everything you say if we had of done we would have been top 3/4 by now, did you think last season we were strong enough to miss the champions league by 1 min, not in a million years you didnt, did you think we would win the coca cola and remain unbeaten at home not in a million miles did you.

    In fact your thoughts would have been the exact opposite to the way the club thought.
    SO now everything that you are saying is a fact or otherwise things go all pearshaped.

    Im sure you and the majority could have ran the club better in the last three years mmm not in a million miles could you.

    All the so called pundits who said you have to spend massive to get in to europe to compete in the prem were wron as well, we still made very decent signings in the window, again i would have liked a centre half, just as most wanted brian ruiz last season and then kicked up a stink only for us to sign a striker ain january who scored in virtually every game after the new year.

    Just hold your horses for god sake, We are way further than most thought and are a feared team by everyone in the prem, is it still not good enough for you.

    have we got to do things the way you and the majority want to do things, i dont think so we would be in deep debt further if we went down that road again.

    we run the club from within itself and are getting more funds all the time to do that we will buy in january, be happy for were we are right now.

    Most are saying we missed a trick not bringing this one in and that one in, the same ones who said we would still be in the coca cola!!!!!including you munster mag.

  • 14 davybtoon // Oct 8, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    Jddubai are u a mackem in disguise they’ve been terrible McLean n sess have been shocking all season not mention sess ain’t a striker, they 3 corners in 5 games that’s how much they attack, I’ve seen 4 of there games they should of been beat in ever single one

  • 15 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:01 PM

    mclean and sessignon have hardly been shocking

    good to see you haven’t lost your guile….you could put a spin on genocide to make it sound as if all’s well

  • 16 davybtoon // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    Matty all is well its jus muppets over react to a defeat, yea ain’t playing well but we’re still hard to beat
    N I don’t believe a cb n fb in the summer would have made a single bit difference to any result we’ve had this season

  • 17 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:07 PM

    davyb

    agree to an extent re having had a CB and/or FB come in.

    think it’s how you coach them in training (which, fair enough, i can only surmise) and how they’re assembled on match day. those are my qualms

  • 18 t00ntime // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:07 PM

    @matty havent seen much of sess but when ever i flicked on mcclean looked sh1te :S they only ever seemed to counter attack and thats how they got there goals. Just like us i never saw them take control and create something from passing it around. Both teams play the same way.
    To me the game is more even then last year performance wise but on paper we are still a step up from them, its just weather we can actually perform or not. If we can perform and take control we will win but if we cant perform and neither take control it will be an exciting game but wud rely on who has the better strikers on the night, ba+cisse VS fletcher/Saha (dont know who they play next to fletcher if anyone)

    + to whoever said “hope tiote doesnt attack cattermole” (or something like that)
    1) it happend after 40secs if tiote wanted to hurt him he wud of last time.
    2) is cattermole not serving his last match ban (after the red card)?

  • 19 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:08 PM

    Daveybtoon, of course your right the first 15 mins man utd out thought us and tactics wise were spot on so fair play to them.

    They did not have another shot on goal for 50 mins after that and we reshuffled, they caught us unawares and turned us over in that first 20 mins!!

    I thought we came back at them well, and showed the right spirit.

    After the first 20m willo and perch were ok but before that were nowhere near when those two goals flew in, bordeaux on thursday could have been two up easily but did not take their chances as well as their players up front were not picked up either, man utd took their chances.

    fergie again did nothing wrong for me and was getting in to gear big time when man utd had to change the formation bringing on valencia to curb the threat down the left, thats how dangerous they thought we were looking.

    All in all no disaster at all we just got out thought at the start, we did the same to them in january, but we did it for just about the whole 90 mins.

  • 20 davybtoon // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:10 PM

    Matty – I’d put good money on it pardew did not send them players out to sit back n put no pressure on man utd for the first 15mins yesterday but some reason they did that

  • 21 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    toontime.

    which one’s their ginger? i think that’s mclean and if so that’s who i’m talking about. his movement is incredible and he will turn into a top, top player. their other ‘starlet’ who play wide on the left i think i have been less than impressed with. reminds me of amalfitano….a bit awkward, a bit gangly, but mainly unproductive where it counts

  • 22 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:12 PM

    …given that’s probably a bit too harsh on amalfitano…have seen the sunderland kid more than him….and i think roman’s younger

  • 23 davybtoon // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    Beefman – like I’ve jus said ill put money on it pardew didn’t send the players out to do that in the first 15 mins, no one is the blame for player wise bcoz the whole team sat back which in turn lead to the corners, then pardew gets into them n we do what we should of been doin by pressing them high up the pitch

  • 24 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    Daveyb, sometimes you cant do anything about the way the opposing team are playing they had five up front, we were caught off guard they steamrollered us in that first 20 mins and played their best football for a long time, we just got suckered in to it, they arnt a bad team to be fair are they!!!

  • 25 davybtoon // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    Beefman I agree am not complaining am happy with the way things are going, n don’t know who has been goin on about us playing long ball but its total myth, there was a move yesterday which must of had about 40 passes in it b4 we shot just wide it was brilliant

  • 26 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    Worst thing by far is we have two weeks of bitchin’ and moanin’ about the ManU game thanks to the break. Then we’re off to face jddubai’s Real Unwashed for a hiding by their superstars. Maybe Xisco could step up for that one – would he turn his image full circle if he did? (wavy lines across vision start to form accompanied by harp strumming) :)

  • 27 davybtoon // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:19 PM

    N forget about debuchy thought santon was class at right back n fergie at left back aswell

  • 28 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:21 PM

    Davey, i agree the fact that fans have went over the top with criticism over the defeat, we are not far away from being a really top team IMO, they tacticaaly called the shots early on and we could not handle it, but we ended up with 53 per cent of the play and showed real spirit, that again is a massive plus for us.

    Hopefully colo and saylor back for the mackems, ITS GOT A DRAW WRITTEN ALL OVER IT FOR ME ANYWAY BUT WE WILL CREATE CHANCES AS WE DO IN ALL GAMES.

  • 29 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    davyb – the ‘longball’ myth was perpetuated by the fact that Man U closed us right down back to the goalie preventing us from playing out – its why Harp was suckered into dithering painfully, he was caught trying to find someone he could actually play to.

    The difference between them and us is what they did off the ball and on it, sounds stupid but what I mean is when they had the ball, each player made sure they had no marker, and passed it right around us. When they lost it they harried us tight. We did exactly the opposite. Here endeth the footballing lesson by Man U.

  • 30 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:26 PM

    Davey i like santon without doubt at right back, i like fergie either left wing or left back, maybe a bit more left wing, but he as not ever let us down in any way that lad.

    Debuchy no doubts looks a good kid maybe we may go in again in jan who knows but we really do need a strong commanding type of centre back in january, we need that cover at centre half and it needs to be quality.

  • 31 t00ntime // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    @matty i thought colback was the ginge (but i think he plays LB/cm)

    If u were watching mcclean (we shud probably pay more attention to who is who xD) its possible that i only saw his bad parts (as i have only flicked over to see how they were doing havent a full game of theirs this season)

    Whoever it was playing well lets hope he has a shocker in two weeks :P

  • 32 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:28 PM

    And apart from that, I thought many of our ads played very well yesterday, just crucially not linking together. Santon looks good, but he was not effective enough without the right partner up front. Fergie was much better up front than at back, but again did not get the service he needed from Jonas, who now looks uncomfortable coming too far across the half way line. Its like we have the players around the pitch but cant agree on the line of supply. One thing that did work recently was swapping HBA and jonas, someone suggested they randomly switch during the game and I would second that, it knacks most teams marking system when you consider HBA usually has a two-man magnet on him.

  • 33 Ben_BKK // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    I think you’re allowed to have three players over the age of 21 in your U21 teams. Similar to how teams at the Olympics are allowed three players over the age of 23.

    What do all of you think about the decision by the FA not to take any action against Van Persie for his blatant attack on Cabaye? I’ve just had a debate with a ManUre fan on Facebook about it, who predictably brought up the Tiote challenge on Cleverley and a couple of other things, and said that me having a problem with the FA not doing anything was just an excuse to bash ManUre.

  • 34 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    Anyway, need to stay on-topic, got to get this Xisco situation sorted….damn – 4 years too late! ;)

  • 35 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:31 PM

    Tsunki, man utd played at a ferocious tempo throughout, they knew it was a very dangerous game for them, they played it as if it were the champs league.

    That is massive respect to us, and after the first 20 we were as good as them, more possesion more shots more corners. we move on to the mackems, but we were far from disgraced against a pumped up man utd.

  • 36 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:33 PM

    Ben mate its a waste of time, notice how their ref purposely went over to nod at the players concerned so he could write in his report – ‘decided to take no action’ thereby cutting the FA’s retrospective discipline procedure off at the ankles. Nice Move. Manc.

  • 37 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    beefman – its a learning curve, maybe now Pards will see that we cant just allow a team to have at us for the first half hour.

    Also dunno if anyone noticed, Man U did a top job of not letting us get out of the traps second half for the traditional 15 minute onslaught. Killed us right off, that and the jammy goal.

  • 38 Munster Mag // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    Beefman, you’re completely full of shit. When did I say we would be in the championship. I have supported Pardew ardently since day 1, but have consistently pointed out that thge lack of ongoing investment is not going to help us develop. Believe me , I have no issues dumping Michael Owen etc and running the club smartly, but we are getting some key issues wrong like investment. Now if you want to have a fair discussion with me about the club, the team, tactics and how the club is run, them make some fair points, not some ridiculous inaccurate claptrap about things you claim I said. You might as well say I am a Man U supporter or something.

  • 39 NUFC_LEAZES END // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    Anita has to be one of the worst signings we’ve made since our recovery from the old days

  • 40 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:51 PM

    Nufc_Leazes, what – worse than Abeid, Amalfitano, Marveaux…………..

    Anita is a Dutch International, who needs time to adjust to the prem and find his role in midfield, which imo is a bit of a shambolic place to be at NUFC lately.

  • 41 Ben_BKK // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:52 PM

    Tsunki, from what I’ve read Howard Webb didn’t see it, but he reviewed the footage and decided that he wouldn’t have taken any action had he seen it. Which is even more ridiculous really, how can you see a player blatantly hit another in the face and decide that’s not worthy of any punishment?

  • 42 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:53 PM

    ooooh – controversial I am defo getting picked up on that midfield comment – come on then have a shot :)

  • 43 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:55 PM

    Ben you can decide anything you like when you’re sharing a glass of 17 year old Glengoyne with Sir Alex in the Executive Lounge.

  • 44 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    toontime

    right. had it mixed up. colback will be a star. mclean is pretty crap

  • 45 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 5:59 PM

    Munster what i said was you would have been one of the ones who predicted it would take us years to get out of the championship?

    But through correct investment and managment we have grew season after season, do you realise what a mess we were in financially three years ago the audits for this football club were horrendous.

    We have pulled it back through some fantastic planniong and managment to make us now one of the most sound football clubs in europe, just look at the boro they have not got to pennys to rub together cos they spent way beyond their means.

    MA has put masses of investment in NUFC, way way beyond what anyone else has ever done, in fact more than everyone in the history of the club put together and that is a fact.

    Still fans bemoaning lack of investment from the fella, for me it beggars belief.

  • 46 nick_9 // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    DavyB you don’t think a full back and a central defender would not have altered any of us results this season? Big statement. There is always the chance players don’t settle straight away but I disagree, then again I’m bound to as I was someone calling out for a fullback, centre back, quality winger and striker in the last window. Not mega money but improvements.

    Everyone is quick to brush aside defeat but our performances a lot like last season aren’t improving and our points aren’t great at the minute, however I will say a win against the mackems would see us on 12 points from 8 games, 1.5pts per game which over the course of the season isn’t a bad return. A defeat and the game against west brom could be very feisty

  • 47 xmindcrimex // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    July next year I’ll be a happy man. :) No more Xisco at the club. Nothing against the man personally. It’s just that his contract of his will free up good wages.

    I guess the next on the “waiting” list will be Nile Ranger, but his contract is more likely one fourth (or fifth,sixth?) of Xisco’s wages. I’m speculating of course.. So what do I know.

    I’m glad to see him getting some reserve time at least.

  • 48 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:09 PM

    And remember we are buying players with cash up front, not on the never never as before, all shepherd done was buy shares in the club didnt put any of his own bit in to sustaining the club sir john hall as well financing everything against NUFC they walked away with multi millions out of the deal,.

    we had good times early on but how many mistakes did fat freddie make ie toongate calling the fans and lasses all the filth under the sun. he got quite a few chances.

    MA brings in gonzalez without KK knowing , he takes a fit and buggers off, no second chances just like still a load of our fans are willing not to give MA a real chance for SAVING our beloved club.

  • 49 IITianToon // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    Guys do you think this formation would work against the Mackems? :

    —————Krul—————–
    Simmo–Saylor–Collo–Santon
    —–Tiote—Jonas
    Obertan—Ba—-Ben Arfa

    I really think Pards should give Obertan a chance, because he seems confident and chomping at the bits to get a start.

  • 50 IITianToon // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    Forgot to put Cabaye in there .. oops!! :P

  • 51 Thump // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:16 PM

    26 year old… u21 squad…

    what

  • 52 boater // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:18 PM

    For all the talk of Ba/Cisse and central defense, the full back positions and central midfield have been our achilles so far this season. I cannot wait to see Simpson back in the fold.. nice and simple specialist defender – you know what you’re getting. Problem with central midfield – there isn’t one.

  • 53 catchy in norway // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    It’s not that I waited for this result to happen to come on and moan, I do come on on Friday and say that obertan played his best game for us the other day

    I don’t get on here as much as I’d like because of work, I live 65 miles away from my job 1,5 hours each way, but this week I’m off, haha arnt u lucky

    Ibiza I apologies if I said something wrong in an earlier post

    My point was ment to be that some seen to only look at tables and think we are doing well because of the position we are in, what they don’t see is that last season could and should have been better, I feel Pardew bottled it in January , some of us where screaming for HBA to play but Pardew insisted on keeping him out of the team,

    Yesterday was just one of many games this season that Pardew got things horably wrong ,

    Who was missing from the team colo saylor, Simpson krul, that ment our mid field and forwards where our/his first choice , not many attacks from his first choice, IF he believes that we won’t create many chances why play 2 up front??? Why not pack the midfield?

    There goals,

    First was willamsons fault, he is the week link in the defence
    Not sure about the evra goal
    Third goal was a fluke, but hey they happen

    My point is Pardew has not got our midfield making goals for ba or cisse, well at least chances,
    And trust me I’m more disappointed that we did not attack reading than yesterday,

  • 54 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    boater join me in my breakaway anti-midfield renegade rant crusade! It occurs to me that the lack of cohesion across the midfield means we are virtually unable to switch play across the park. We need more than the dumb tack of a destroyer and a couple of DM’s. Whats happened to Marveaux? What are we trying to do with Cabs? Help me out here someone…….

  • 55 steveno7 // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:29 PM

    Any streams for dev squad tonight

  • 56 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:35 PM

    Actually in reality, your midfield is bound to be chained back if your back four are shaky. I think Pards dreaded a half dozen goals before half time so he wanted no heroics, which meant, as usual, we had to rely on our wing play to create chances. Not a good option in our case.

  • 57 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:36 PM

    steveno7 – cant get enough of that Xisco action? :)

  • 58 Carryingcoals // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:36 PM

    Just got on here and I’m catching up with what a lot of you are saying. Seems very similar to yesterday. I was one of the first ones on here yesterday talking after the game and the way some of our fans responded was horrendous.

    Blowing yesterday out of proportion and as beefman has been saying, plus Ibiza on the last thread, a lot of people need to settle down a bit.

    There are problems that need addressing and we were poor yesterday but for people to come on here and say they’ll boo at the next home game is crazy.

    Go back to Ed’s article after the game, something like ‘man utd take newcastle aart’. Most of the comments are ridiculous. Plus I got branded a ‘middle of the road wanker’ which is always amusing :D.

    Seems a lot more sense spoken today though.
    Mt view on the game: carryingcoals.com .

  • 59 Carryingcoals // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    Comments posted today are a lot better than yesterday. It was laughable on here after the game.

  • 60 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:41 PM

    Hi Catchy, No apology needed mate, sometimes we use others points in discussions with others, so things get a little grey.

    At the end of the day, I appreciate you’re a Newcastle fan and want the club to do well (if not, then you’re one sad individual coming on here :) ).

    When I point to the table, it’s not to reflect on how well we’ve played, as you say, the two aren’t connected. Just use Chelsea in the CL last season. Did they play good looking football? Like hell did they. Sometimes you need to play ugly to get by, that is what I believe Pardew is doing at the minute.

    He obviously isn’t that confident in the backline, especially with Krul out, so wants the team to sit back a bit and protect (I say obviously, when actually it is just my opinion).

    I think the worst we can accuse him of is lack of belief in our defense, but would you disagree? He has got what he’s got. Some people say he should be storming in to Mike and demanding more players, let’s get real, where is that going to get him? Nowhere. Of course he praises players like Willo etc, they train hard and perform okay when called upon. P*ss them off and we lose the only cover we currently have.

    I truly believe he is building towards the future, therefore no rush to throw caution to the wind this season and derail and progress already made. May be too negative in the long run – we will find out I guess.

    On HBA, you can’t argue that it worked. When he returned he was wonderful and his work rate has improved. The lad has even said a lot of that is down to Pardew. Maybe he would have been as good if introduced earlier, but that’s speculation, I am happy with the end result (HBA).

    Will take your word on the goals as I only saw Cleverlys effort. I quickly walked out the room and just accepted when had been outplayed on the day.

    Anyway, nice to see we can have a civilsed chat about things you t*ss*r ;) I look forward to more debate during your week off.

  • 61 Carryingcoals // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:41 PM

    Just got on here and I’m catching up with what a lot of you are saying. Seems very similar to yesterday. I was one of the first ones on here yesterday talking after the game and the way some of our fans responded was horrendous.

    Blowing yesterday out of proportion and as beefman has been saying, plus Ibiza on the last thread, a lot of people need to settle down a bit.

    There are problems that need addressing and we were poor yesterday but for people to come on here and say they’ll boo at the next home game is crazy.

    Go back to Ed’s article after the game, something like ‘man utd take newcastle aart’. Most of the comments are ridiculous. Plus I got branded a ‘middle of the road w@nker’ which is always amusing :D.

    Seems a lot more sense spoken today though.
    Mt view on the game: carryingcoals.com

  • 62 Carryingcoals // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:43 PM

    *apart not aart, I’m not Harry Redknapp

  • 63 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:45 PM

    Carrying…I didn’t come on yesterday, doctors orders. Have you done a match analysis yet? You’re pretty balanced and thorough, so would be a good read and way to gauge the game – or do you recommend I just stay away from knowing too much about it?

    Tsunki…The only thing happening with our defense is that people are starting to realise you only get what you pay for. How could Tiote (£3.5m) and Cabaye (was it £4m?) do any good in the PL? Relegation team standard at best.

    And thus ended the midfield debate!

    P.S. Marveax the liverpool reject? Need I say anymore ;)

  • 64 Carryingcoals // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:48 PM

    ibiza

    Here’s what I thought. http://www.carryingcoals.com/?p=269

    Yesterday wore me out on here, it was the brigade of scavengers after the blood of willo, pardew, ashely, you name it.

    Was crazy.

    As for the game, ok we were poor and it exposed a lot of out flaws, things were still there that have been bad all season but people have certainly blown it our of proportion. I felt worse after missing out on all 3 points against villa.

    I’m off to the gym, let me know what you think. Catch you later :)

  • 65 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:51 PM

    Carrying…Redknapp, a fine example of a middle of the road w@nker :) Stop being such a fence sitter. You’re either pro or anti Ashley & Pardew – there will be no middle ground I tell thee….NONE!

  • 66 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    Cheers. Take it easy

  • 67 josh // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    Because you can have 2 overage players in an under 21 squad. I think its 2 I may be wrong.

  • 68 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:02 PM

    Josh…I think I read it was 3, but also may be wrong

  • 69 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:06 PM

    Carryingcoals, that is quite a summery, and a very decent one at that, do you know that fergie is taller by an inch and a touch heavier than yohan cabaye, he is a strong little bugga wor fergie, i agree he may be slightly better as a winger, hes more like the wingbacks of a few years ago, taller and heavier than leighton bains as well is fergie, deceptive i know but maybe not as lightweight as most seem.

    By all accounts though a very well thought out discription of yesterdays game and very balanced.

  • 70 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    Carrying….Just finished. Obviously didn’t see the game, so it may be well off, but seems balanced. Criticism and praise. Good job. Now, back to mass panic.

  • 71 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:10 PM

    Beefman…Is Fergie really bigger than Cabaye and Baines? Indeed deceptive. He’s young, so it’s too early to say he cannot develop in to a great FB, at the minute though, he seems a lot more assured at LW – from the little I have seen of him anyway.

  • 72 josh // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    I’m only going on memory bud, so if youve read it your probably right.

  • 73 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:15 PM

    Josh…..As I said “I think I read it” – far from conclusive, I think a lot of things :)

    Did anyone find a link for the under 21’s game tonight? Nothing on footballstreaming.info which is usually good for links. Any help people?

  • 74 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:19 PM

    ibiza, fergie official stats have him at 5ft 9 half and cabaye at 5ft 8 with leighton bains 5ft 7

    Its just fergie looks so young ,he is a tough little so n so though. very deceptive as well, pushed obertan out the way on thursday to get the cross in that led to one of our goals.

  • 75 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    Beefman….I shall pay more attention next time I see the little terrier.

  • 76 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:26 PM

    Ibiza i do agree he looks quite puny on the pitch, but i noticed in the line up he was a good inch taller than cabaye, they have said he is on a strength program currently at the toon.

    Hes a lad who works and works on his game as well a top proffesional coming through.

  • 77 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:28 PM

    Beefman…Good to know. He certainly seems committed and got some talent. Good times for the toon ahead. Oh wait, are we allowed to be upbeat so soon after our thrashing by Man U?

  • 78 Gerrard#1 // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:34 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSVBizxeWeM

    WATCH THIS
    HAHA

  • 79 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    Hello – whats going on? My post-beating optimism alarm just sounded? Whats going on? False alarm? Its been sounding off at the slightest hint of someone being philosophical so it wouldnt surprise me.

  • 80 Super Magpie // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Is it safe to post now? I see the usual Doomongers were in full force yesterday.

    Have to say, as annoyed as I was yesterday. We were tactically outplayed. As usual we weren’t out the blocks quick enough and payed the price. Conceding 1 goal from a corner is bad, but 2? That should never happen again.
    After the 2nd goal went in I felt we had more of the ball and actually kept good ball retention, we just couldn’t penetrate their defence. If we had got a goal back I thunk we would’ve came back to 2-2. Although I think if Man Utd really wanted to, they could’ve steamrolled us in that 1st half. They soaked up the pressure very well.

    In the 2nd half we were once again playing well, but couldn’t find a way through. The goaline debate is a funny one, I can’t really decide if it was over or not. But it summed up our day. Although we deserved to lose I though Man U were very lucky in some of the decisions they were getting. Not that we had it coming for the Everton and Reading games so I’ll leave it at that regarding referee’s and officials.
    The 3rd goal killed the game off completely. I couldn’t believe it when it went it. I just turned to my mate and laughed… It was just comical.
    I think it’s an absolute disgrace that Van Persie has got away with the clear elbow on Cabaye. And how cleverley can say he meant that was beyond me. It was a great goal, but a very lucky One.

    Summary- We missed Krul,Saylor,Simmo and Colo deeply. Our backup defence is simply not good enough and we will have more games like this if we don’t strengthen. Thought Fergie was excellent and wasn’t helped by Jonas enough in the first 15 minutes. We need to turn this around in 2 weeks, I won’t take a defeat against the mackems.

  • 81 archaeomag // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:42 PM

    @Gerrard#1
    Typical foreign player

  • 82 cyprus // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:43 PM

    Has anyone actually watched this kid play? I just saw him in one game, he even scored! Not saying he’s any good, but, surely, the scouts must have seen something and he did play for Spain u-21 didn’t he? I mean, Wise didn’t do that bad, though here’s an interesting (though 2/3 wrong!) article from way back in the dark days:

    “News of The World

    WISE MEN FACE AXE
    Newcastle to ditch Dennis Wise’s three £21m flops

    FLOP – Fabricio Coloccini

    By MARTIN HARDY, 18/04/2009

    NEWCASTLE are ready to ditch the three flops Dennis Wise persuaded the club to splash out £21million on last year.

    Fabricio Coloccini, Jonas Gutierrez and Xisco are all out of St James’ Park once the season ends.

    Wise, who was axed as director of football when Alan Shearer arrived this month, was behind the deals – signings which led to Kevin Keegan quitting as boss in September.

    Toon owner Mike Ashley is also getting rid of technical co-ordinator Jeff Vetere and chief scout Lil Fuccillo.

    Argentine defender Coloccini, 27, cost £10.5m from Deportivo but has been dropped by new boss Shearer.

    Fellow Argie Gutierrez, 26, was supposed to be free but Ashley ended up paying £5m for the midfielder.

    And striker Xisco, 22, has started just three Premier League games since his £5.7m switch from Depo.

    The Toon can only expect to recoup a fraction of the money they coughed up for the trio.

    Ashley also had to shell out over £1.5m to get rid of Wise.”

  • 83 Magpie from Lithuania // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:44 PM

    no live streaming for tonights game i guess..??

  • 84 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    Well off-topic but just watching Dennis Bergkamp taking that massive diagonal thump down in one step while running and scoring in France98 against Argentina. Where have all the really talented natural ball players gone?

  • 85 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    …oh yeah Man City. Course.

  • 86 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:55 PM

    What time does or did the game kick off tonight? Any updates? Xisco got a hat-trick yet?

  • 87 lukes26 // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:55 PM

    Barcelona, I believe

  • 88 archaeomag // Oct 8, 2012 at 7:56 PM

    @Carryingcoals 63 GOOD LINK
    Very good summery – well written

  • 89 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    Nils apiece for the reserves, I think its half time, Xisco has been involved. Ha I said Xisco.

  • 90 Carryingcoals // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:08 PM

    ibiza, beefman – cheers lads. And very interesting about Fergie too. I like him as winger in the sense that he has a great delivery – as a winger should have. Certainly not writing him off at fullback. I see what you mean about him being deceptive. I think he’ll grow in to a great player for us mind. LB or LW I like having him in the side.

    archaeomag

    Cheers mate, glad you appreciated it :D

  • 91 Thump // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:09 PM

    I have to feel for Xisco. The move to Newcastle has practically ruined his career.

  • 92 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:15 PM

    Tsunki…Comical isn’t it. I bet the commentary went something along the lines of “Newcastle are fielding a new youngster coming through the academy called…..Xisco….oh wait, he’s 26 and been at the club 4 years….oh”

    Carrying…..It was a very decent read. Keep it up.

  • 93 Carryingcoals // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:17 PM

    @ 83 Tsunki

    YES!!! Sheer class. It’s one of the goals my dad likes to recollect anytime international football is on tv. Amazing quality.

    … Still though Shola’s chest against Everton will never be beaten ;)

  • 94 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    Cyprus, for me everyone connected to the current regime have had a raw deal by most, colo and jonas have given 100 per cent for NUFC, xicsco was an under 21 international for spain and very promising as well, hasnt had no real chance at all here i saw him score a superb hat rick for the reserves, he certainly is no mug,

  • 95 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    Thump
    True but a pay cut some where else could of got it back on track tbf doubt were asking a hefty fee for the lad!

  • 96 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:24 PM

    Cyprus
    What scouts? Dennis wise watched him on youtube
    Beefman
    Disagree with whole not given a chance weve had 4 and a bit managers who have all decided not to use him and hes had plaenty of chances yo showcase himself on loan and hasnt, plus the hat trick he scored he then tarnished by getting himself sent off after full time

  • 97 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:26 PM

    Thump…We obviously don’t know all of the details. I can’t help but feel though he’s just not up to standard. Sure, the first manager or two may have missed something, but we’ve been through a fair few to give merit to that he’s been unfairly treated. He either doesn’t have the skill or attitude. Not sure which, maybe both.

  • 98 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:26 PM

    TDS, fair comment about xisco i suppose but he does have ability.

  • 99 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:29 PM

    TDS xisco has just made a goal for adam campbell v aston villa in the reserve match, he has just been substituted as he hasnt played for a while, young campbell is a class act.

  • 100 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    can we get a hundo for xi-xi-xiscooooo?

  • 101 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:31 PM

    Beefman
    No doubt the lad has some ability he looked good on his debut think it was against hull and he scored a decent goal? And again against villa but dont think he’s taken to tyneside very well dont and apparantly has a bit of an attitude who knows dont think we ever will and dont think we’ll see him play for the first team again, isnt there supposed to be a clause where if he plays x amount we have to pay an additional fee?

  • 102 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:37 PM

    TDS not sure with his contract it has obviously cost us a fortune, that cant be argued about in fairness, im not yelling for the lad to be given more chances, as you say quite a few have watched him and decided against putting him in, hes got ability though.

  • 103 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:41 PM

    Beefman
    It is a shame though came here as a young up and coming spanish international and will leave with his career in tatters mind you i reckon deportivo will sign him up on a free nit been a bad bit if buisness for them!!!

  • 104 Thump // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    I’m sure he’s not up to the standard, it’s just a shame that he’s been thrown into this position by people who are supposed to be looking out for him

  • 105 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:47 PM

    Thump
    True enough and in all honesty i’d rather of seen the lad given the opportunities that useless little tw@ ranger got!
    That bloke is an utter disgrace does he even train anymore? Seems to spend most his time in south east london with the rest of his plastic gangsters

  • 106 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:50 PM

    tads….Careful mate. Ranger and his crew will be round yours….you hear me son?

    Thump….Maybe. I really don’t know. If he was concerned about his playing career he could of accepted a pay-cut, he chose to keep getting paid the money by the club. I can’t feel too sorry for him tbh.

  • 107 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM

    Toon winning 2-1 in the reserves, mehdi abeid restored our lead. rymes as well.

  • 108 bollance // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    U21’s 1-0 up vs villa

    Xisco up front but did he score?

    Don’t be daft!

    Campbell with the goal

  • 109 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:53 PM

    Ibizzle
    Ranger and his mates would get seriously fcuked up if they came round my way!!!
    The lad really does have to be careful round london i think the entire population of selhurst wanna beat the little mug up!!! Bluuuuhhhhhh!

  • 110 Toonacious T // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:54 PM

    Don’t get the obsession on this blog with having to label people ‘neggars’ or ‘OV’ or whatever. You can be critical of certain aspects of MAs regime and complimentary of others, without being pigeon-holed into these camps. I think u then limit yourself to always having to look at things one dimensionally. It stifles serious debate, is that not the point of this forum?

  • 111 bollance // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:54 PM

    Beef

    Thanks for making me look incredibly slow ;)

    2-1

    Bad news for vuckic who has been stretchered off

  • 112 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    Ibiza, he could have left no doubt for a massive wage cut, may have been as much as 35k a week though thats heavy in anyones book,, i would hold my hands up and say i would not, i am not that principled, we maybe got suckered with that deal but you dont always know to be fair.

  • 113 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    Bollance
    Dont worry about vuckic he gets stretchered off every game its kinda his version of the team bus

  • 114 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:58 PM

    Toonacious T (play on Tenacious D?)….Couldn’t agree more. There are those who generally either lean to a negative or positive outlook, but at the end of the day, each aspect is open to debate and not one person can think everything is great or bad….it’s not as black and white as our kits.

    Are you a new poster, can’t recall seeing your name before. Mind, I don’t come on here often….

    Tads…Fighting talk mate. I’ll be checking the blog anxiously to make sure you’re still with us tomorrow. I’ll be watching the news in the meantime awaiting news of another Ranger bust ;)

  • 115 Thump // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    @toonarmydownsouth: He actually arrives to matches in his own ambulance.

  • 116 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    Does he usually get oxygen on his team bus though? Gosling is sitting in the seat next to him btw.

    Good to see old traditions being revived at Villa.

  • 117 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:00 PM

    Both gosling and vucic stretchered off at villa after bad challenges!

  • 118 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    toonacious has brought some good debate since yesterday

    nice to have fresh views in the asylum that is this blog :)

  • 119 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    Vuckik?!?!? Can you place bets on players getting injured? I’d say it was a sure way to win money with him, although that’s wide known, so I imagine the odds would be poor.

    Beefman…..Completely see that, but that’s his choice. Can’t complain about being held back, when the reason is you’re staying for money. His choice and to be fair, I’ve not heard him whinge about it. Just don’t really understand why anyone would feel sorry for him.

  • 120 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:02 PM

    Toonacious
    Tbf the whole OV thing was kind of a blog joke sounded better than ashley lovers anyway!!
    But yeah you shouldnt be forced to be 100% ashley or 100% against ashley hes done some good and some bad but like him or not hes the owner and looks to be fair here for the long haul

  • 121 bollance // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:02 PM

    Tads

    Haha not the first time..

    Still feel for the lad though, poor guy. You can tell he is 100% dedicated to football and coming through.

    Talking of injury prone players. Should we be looking to
    Move those types of players on? We still pay them when they are injured so why not replace with a player who will be available for most of the season. Steven Taylor, Shola?? Thoughts?

  • 122 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    that’s the problem with Vuckic and it’s such a shame

    he’s about two years behind normal progress

    i think he can still make it but he has been poor.

    Hopefully this means Abeid is back in contention.

  • 123 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    Sure Toonacious has posted a bit before Ibiza he’s worryingly conversant with OV ;)

    The OV versus neggar thing is much overdone Toonacious – its really an old joke borne of trying times that has been taken too seriously.

  • 124 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    Gosling too? Well, as long as Xisco doesn’t get injured our season will be okay.

    Tads…OV a joke? Blasphemy!

  • 125 mattyNUFC // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    perfect. replay of yesterday’s match

    …….:/

  • 126 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    Toonacious i suppose you are right about the negger/positive situation, i go over the top positivity wise, i just feel our club is doing brilliantly and nowt to moan about.

  • 127 Carryingcoals // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:05 PM

    toonacious

    I found that too. Generally I try to look at things positively but when we were about to play Man U in the league cup I was bitterly disappointed with the team selection – although I understood it.

    You definitely get pigeon holed, of course.

    Then when you come on here after a match (ie yesterday) you look at things from both sides and try and have a conversation, you then get dubbed as a ‘middle of the road w@anker’!

    You’ll never win but just have to call things as you see them. The contrasts , diversity and the debates are the beauty of the blog.

    – unless you’re kets of course. Until Ashley flies Falcao over he’ll not be happy :D

  • 128 Toonacious T // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:06 PM

    Ibiza – kinda on the name. Been reading for an embarrassingly long time but only starting post infrequently in the last few weeks, I didn’t want to say that tho coz everyone does n its a bit pointless. Must say I like the daft banter and the genuine debate but find the mud slinging and the tribalism wearysome. Sorry so slow but on a shit phone.

  • 129 Carryingcoals // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    beefman

    I agree, you’re completely right. I find it crazy that people can’t see how brilliantly the club is doing.
    When people were seriously saying that they are going to boo at the next match and not renew their season tickets I couldn’t believe it.

  • 130 bollance // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    Matty

    Good for abeid’s confidence. Did he play much of pre season as I didnt see any preseason games?

  • 131 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    Matty, abeid is a good kid with plenty of talent i feel watching him he plays it to safe to often he does it in the reserve games i see as well, but when he opens up he looks really good, he should and could do it more often.

  • 132 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    Tsunki…As I said, not on here much, so maybe missed him before :)

    Toonacious….Have you read the OV bible: The guide to good blogging, supporting and life?

    It’s a wonderful read. I couldn’t put it down.

  • 133 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:11 PM

    Toonacious….It can get petty at times. I think the majority try to keep a level head, but that’s often easier said than done (especially when talking via a keyboard with multiple people). I look forward to you introducing some decent debate :)

    Don’t listen to carryingcoals though, he truly is a fence sitting w*nk*r ;)

  • 134 bollance // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:11 PM

    Did anyone think vs man utd our midfield played very deep so we struggled to get any decent play in their final third?

    The very few balls which we played on the floor to Ba or Cisse were either intercepted or the striker was tackled. Even Shola followed suit and was loose in possession which is unlike him these days.

  • 135 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:11 PM

    Thump
    Lol

    Bollance
    Its a tough one shola is probably in the best form of his career and tbh is in his last couple of seasons i think someone as long serving as him is here for life
    For me staylor is a tough one he’s been a promising player for years now but tbh we shouldnt go into any season viewing him as anything higher than a squad player, bit like willo. Im not saying he is the same level of player as willo as staylor is a much better player but the truth is the lad has lasted even 3/4’s of a season at any stage in his career and we need a CB to form a long term partnership with colo who could still have a good 4-5 seasons in him
    Vuckic is also a tough one as injuries have seriously stunted the lads development skilled definatly but is he physical up to the demands of english football and not just top flight either always struck me as a player who’d thrive in italian football slower pace and less physically demanding

  • 136 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:13 PM

    Carryingcoals the amount of my associates i will call them who gave their season tickets up after we skated the coca cola and then went on to have a decent first season in the prem season was incredible. i could not believe it and still cant.

    The buggers said we wouldnt get out of the championship for at least 2/3 seasons?

    Still a full house at the cathederal so no loss for me, just a bit less moaning around the ground.

  • 137 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:14 PM

    OV or Neggar? Take me for example – I Think Mike Ashley is a git for the SJP rename, still not forgiven him. I respect though, that he has learned hard lessons after his shambolic KK dismissal and poor management and scouting recruits and turned the clubs business around. Now all he has to do is sign up Wonga and I am back again with the angry brows.

    The team? Excellent buys at cut price, great scouting, and a top 5 finish from a team labelled by some as relegation fodder again. But then we get a few injuries and the whole shape is a mess.

    OV is like ShangriLa – mythical. Its merely an annoyance to the constant downbeaters who very rarely commend, see a flaw in a win, predict a loss every week and keep bleating on about the quality of players we can do nothing about. And Ketsy.

  • 138 bollance // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    Beef

    Abeid is a confidence player and it looks like he has none at the moment. With confidence he will play the pass first time rather then delaying and slowing play.

    Watched the YouTube compilation vs Blackburn and he did look good but a contract of games this season.

  • 139 Carryingcoals // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    bollance

    Well yeah, definitely. There was very little link between the midfield and attack. It was inconsistent and lacked fluidity. We couldn’t stick any penetrating passes together on the floor.

    I thought Evans and Rio gave a good account of themselves and Rafael was good in spells. They dealt with us very well.

    As for the Shola comment I was surprised by his lack of impact when he came on. I’m sure Fenham’s Eusebio will however redeem himself at the SOL. – And I’m being serious, I think he’ll score again!

  • 140 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    beefman – I would be ashamed to call them mates. Time to support your club is when they are down. Never spent more money on this club than when they wee suffering their worst ha ha oh dear I’m gonna cry again ha ha sob sob ha ha..

  • 141 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    Carryingcoals
    Didnt you here? Weve struck a deal with athletico xisco and 2 packs of skittles for falcao

  • 142 Toonacious T // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    Matty- thanx for that. If I am honest I am probably a middle of the road wa#k@r altho I’ve tried to cut down since the repetitive strain injury. I haven’t read the O.V. bible yet but I hope there is more pictures in it than the last one I read!

  • 143 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    Lets shake it up a bit v the mackems, oneill will be expecting the usual from us away from home which is a slow start, let us surprise them as man utd surprised us yesterday.

  • 144 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    Yep – Shola to start. :)

  • 145 bollance // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    Tsunki

    The big mistake they made recently was not getting the academy grade one status but it appears that mistake will be rectified soon.

    One the posters on here suggested wonga is being used to soften another company coming in.. Like sports direct

    We must have something lined up as we have cut ties with virgin money. Maybe another mike Ashley gamble holding out for a company to come in a pay big money which will again finance January window spending.

  • 146 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:23 PM

    Being switched on from the off, sorting out set pieces, injuries to key players, these are all things that can be resolved in the short term. Pards is onto it, has to be and Man U will do that to you if you let them, as will 3-4 other sdes in this league, they even do it to each from time to time. After the horror start we were arguably the better side, should of had a pen, RVP probably should have been off and we missed a couple chances that could easily have gone in. That’s football, let’s get on with it, turn it on against the Mackems, which we can, and it’s ancient history.

  • 147 Carryingcoals // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:25 PM

    tads

    He drives a hard bargain that Mike Ashley mind.

    The worst comment from yesterday had to be the guy coming on and telling everyone that they were armchair supporters and shouldnt be saying anything if they didnt go to the match. – that followed with tens of people ridiculing him.

    Kets piped up with genuine melancholy that our failure to ‘beat teams like man utd at home’ is costing us dearly. Poor fella, maybe Ed should look in to seeing if he can get him a signed mike williamson photo or something to cheer him up ;)

  • 148 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:26 PM

    Toonacious….It comes in audio versions to. We currently have readings by Kets (Zed), Sheldon Cooper (Ruddy) and Morgan Freeman (as his voice is everywhere). Available on Amazon and most decent retailers.

    We’re currently working on a version for children, which will include more pictures…maybe even pop ups – we’re really excited!

    Tads…2 packets of skittles? Ash feeling a bit generous. Makes you wonder why he wouldn’t throw in the chewits to secure Debuchy.

    On that sensible note…I am off.

    Tenacious…It was good to chat with you.

    The rest of you have been appalling as usual. Please sort it out or you may risk losing me :)

  • 149 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:26 PM

    Tsunki, i was going to say friends but decided to go with associates, like you say you support the club through thick and thin and most of them were standing in the gallowgate end in the 80`s.

    i just found it and find it strange that when we finished 10th in our first season back and have the opportunity for a freeze on season tickets for ten years they pack it in, i was pissing myself at them last season!!!! of course they said we were lucky most of the time, just like they did when we skated the coca cola, i love it really love it.

  • 150 BelfastMagpie // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:30 PM

    So did Xisco score 2nite ??anyone know?? lol

  • 151 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    Belfast, he made the goal for adam campbell and by all accounts played canny.

  • 152 Baro // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    promise no scam sign up and do a offer….

    http://www.prizerebel.com/index.php?r=3457352

  • 153 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:33 PM

    I’ve been on the road and missed most of the last three games. BUT… igniorance never stopped anybody from commenting on here…

    1) If Wonga get to be our sponsor I will NEVER buy a replica shirt with their name on…If all those fans who feel the same way post that as a comment then the loss of business might influence a final decision:

    2) My son in law – a lifetime Manure fan thought they started better yesterday than any other game this season – and their defence played tighter than any other game this season;

    3) We were outfoxed by the wiliest fox in the EPL. Pardew lost the tactical battle which could have got us back in the game. Hopefully he’ll learn from this as he will analyse his own mistakes as much as the teams';

    4) We need a sports psychologist to work out why we are so poor the first 20mins of almost every game;
    – and get it sorted

    5) IMO we are five points down from where we would have been with a solid back four. 14pts would be where we ought to be. Not signing the two quality defenders we needed during the last two windows is like tying Pards hands behind his back tactically as it is dominating our approach to every game. When our journeymen squad players are all we have then we cannot get beyond mediocrity.

    6) There are more trolls on here than in a book of fairy stories and they are totally spoiling the banter and both sensible and stupid threads of comments on here by the way they drag everything down to their inane and, in Kets case, Panini warrior level.

  • 154 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:33 PM

    Ibiza
    Have seen the price of chewits? No no no no no at tops we should of offered them a sherbert dipper

    Carryingcoals
    Well (obviously) i dint buy that arguement not only to people move away from areas, or even still live in the area but finacially cant go to a game everyweek some people dont relise that the prem is a worldwide brand and the teams have a worldwide following
    Obviously and forunatly not all fans think like this but can say i actually prefer going to our home games than our away games you always get 3-4 idiots away that think because you dont have the accent anymore your not a mag

  • 155 bollance // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:33 PM

    Carrying coals

    It could have been that our defence was too deep which pulled back our midfield though I am no expert. I still believe we should try to find a tall fast and strong centre back like distin. Would mean we can play a really high line.

    You may be right with Shola. He is in line to certainly play. I would start him because when Cisse and Ba play they don’t seem to pass to each other. That changed when Shola came on.

    Shola was brilliant vs Bordeaux. He uses his chest and strength so well. But as a striker he lacks goals, as he has never been prolific. I am strong believer that the front 5 (wingers, strikers and attacking midfielder) should have goals in them. That is why I think we need to give Inman a go in the cup team as he is a goal scoring winger.

    But I have complete trust in pards. He does not get it right every time but then nor do any of the top managers. Pards is not far off that bracket but he needs to follow last year with another good season.

  • 156 BelfastMagpie // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    Haha

    Xisco like a new signing then…

  • 157 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:38 PM

    Yep this armchair supporter stuff will get you shot down every time in my book. I didn’t go to more than a handful of games in years, serial SKY supporter ha ha. Then when we went down I got a ST – it was time to knuckle down I thought. So I dont think I am more qualified to support the Toon, and on the contrary I think those who support from afar show a real dedication that those of us just a stones throw down the motorway from SJP could do well to emulate. I am particularly in awe of the likes of Indian (er but not Indian Magpie), Australian and fans in other far-flung lands.

    But not Ibiza thats just sad. :D

  • 158 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:40 PM

    jawballs

    RVP should have been sent of the his two footed tackle the other week, let alone his elbowing.Hopefully it’ll catch up with him and he’ll get a long suspension for some piece of dirty play as he just can’t resist.

  • 159 Toonacious T // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:40 PM

    Well Ibiza, that choice is perplexing. I think I will go with the DL reading of it, complete with scenes acted out by dancing girls! I do feel more optimistic lads, I have to admit that this can be like free therapy. I hope Pards has Shola doing extra sprints so he can last more than 30 mins against the mackems.

  • 160 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:40 PM

    *….for his two footed….

  • 161 BelfastMagpie // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:40 PM

    Yesterday has been coming for weeks.

    We’ve started poorly every premier league game, It was only a matter of time before we got punished..

    Evra scoring from a corner.

    That was just a piss take lol

  • 162 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:45 PM

    MFH I’m serious about not buying a Wonga shirt. But if very few people buy them, they may become collectible in a few years when all their directors are in jail or the Caymans. What to do……

  • 163 bollance // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:46 PM

    With national new coverage, how did Henry winter only raise £750?

  • 164 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:47 PM

    Toonatious
    Shola needs no extra motivation to play against the mackems on the morning of the game he drives around wearside just pointing and staring at the hoards of the unwashed, they say nothing back there to affraid!

  • 165 Tsunki // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:47 PM

    Carrying – dunno f you are still on but enjoyed your Match review, easy read and sensible.

  • 166 Carryingcoals // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:48 PM

    MagpiesFlyHigh

    I enjoyed that post.

    tads

    Yeah the guy that was saying was embarrassing himself to be honest. I know what you’re saying.

    bollance

    I agree with what you’ve said, as I usually do.

    Inman is a player I frequently hear mentioned on this blog and he is someone who I know very little about. I’m intrigued by this.

    I too would start Shola, however we have Brugge the Thursday beforehand. This will probably mean Shola will start that game and therefor meaning he won’t start on sunday against the mackems. Of course we could start Cisse as a lone striker on the thursday for example. Who knows?

    I would certainly break up the Ba/Cisse 4-4-2 approach to the game.

  • 167 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:49 PM

    Magpiesflyinghigh, with respect lets not get to sensitive on the wonga situation, nothing is concrete only stirring daily telegraph journalists beating the drum.

    MA will do what he thinks is best for his investment and wont give a monkeys chuff what anyone else thinks i think, we all know that by now,

    Wonga may not be the most savoury name to have on a shirt which is fair comment, but the fella who has put more personel finance in to our club than everybody else in the history of our club put together wont give a stuff if you dont.

    lets just see what happens first im sure everyone will be bright and smiley if it is one of those lovely banks that nearly brought the world to its knees, sponsor us mmmmm.

    Magpies are you worried about a bit of ribbing? they said we would get that with virgin didnt they

    whats in a name anyway if they are giving the club money for sponsorship

    Would you rather have no sponsorship or get sponsored by wonga? deal or no deal?

  • 168 Toonacious T // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:50 PM

    Belfast I think SFA said it was both evras n evans second goals for ManU, had to save them for us of course but the debate about who was picking him up on the second was a farce but we might be best to just scrub the boards with that game and hope Collo, Saylor n Krul come back in for mackems game coz fletcher is dangerous imo.

  • 169 Carryingcoals // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:51 PM

    Tsunki

    Thanks a lot. Appreciated.

  • 170 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:51 PM

    Tsunki

    Buy a classic shirt like the blue star ones… ?

  • 171 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:54 PM

    beefman

    Not the name…
    I don’t like legalised loan sharks. I’d be just as unhappy if Benson & Hedges bought the naming rights and shirt sponsorship

  • 172 BelfastMagpie // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM

    And another thing that’s been annoying me for ages now lol

    Williamson is 6 ft 4 or something,but always climbs over people on set pieces & gives free kicks away.

    When he doesn’t need to do it.

    Rant over Haha

  • 173 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM

    Lads sometimes good strikers and defenders have right to score even if they have been picked up or not, we cannot clear everything just as a skillful striker may outwit a defender sometimes a player has to be given credit as does evand who scored a terrific header and evra who timed a perfect run to score a very good goal.

    We would have been purring if any of our players had of scored those goals, its not always the defense fault, sometimes credit goes to the opposing team and i think that is ok for their goals yesterday.

  • 174 Toonacious T // Oct 8, 2012 at 9:59 PM

    TADS- I love that idea of him driving around with Sammi riding shotgun and Megamind in the back to really scare the kids off the streets lol. Seriously tho, on this Wonga deal, we’ve already lost any sense of decorum with what MA has done to the stadium so might as well go all in with the shirt deal, on one proviso, the money goes into transfers and wages, not all of it trousered.

  • 175 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 10:03 PM

    Magpies if you borrow money of everyone you pay it back on time your quids in, mug them off and you get it in the neck from them simple as.

    SO are you saying northern rock and the like who sponsored us are angels as they caused chaos to more tax payers and families than you can imagine.

    you are most likely still paying for their balls up.

    Wonga may be glorified loan sharks but a hell of a lot of people are more than happy to use them, bit of an overdraft facility, use them sensibly and you cant go far wrong! i dont blame them for putting conditions in place that protect them. folk will take the mick big time otherwise.

  • 176 beefman13 // Oct 8, 2012 at 10:07 PM

    Jesus, people lost their life savings with northern rock etc. businesss is business take the bets deal you can.

    sticks and stones!!!

  • 177 Toonacious T // Oct 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM

    Beefman, I would agree with your point in general and perhaps for Evans goal, altho Willo did lose him, but Guti then HBA then Ba all had a go at picking up Evras run and that shouldn’t be happening but Pards will go over that today n a more vocal cb like Collo or Saylor will have it sorted before the corner is taken. Like I said, we don’t need two weeks of picking over the bones of this game, sh#t happens.




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