The Newcastle United Blog

News and Commentary On Newcastle United Football Club By Ed Harrison, A Proud Exiled Geordie And Lifelong Fan

The Newcastle United Blog header image 2
Howay The Lads!!



Do You Approve Of The Overall Wonga Deal?

3:10 pm, Tuesday, October 9th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 285 Comments

It seems that Wonga have done a double deal with Newcastle – a four year shirt sponsorship deal and they have also bought the naming rights to the stadium, and are reverting the name back to St. James’ Park.

Wonga shirt under the new sponsors – if it’s allowed to go through

We don’t know the financials involved,  but they are likely to be decent, if Newcastle dumped the two year deal form Virgin, said to be worth £20M over the two years.

So Mike Ashley has persuaded Wonga   to buy the naming rights to revert the name back to what the fans wanted – St. James’ Park – that’s some deal.

Let us know what you think of this overall deal.

Do You Approve Of The Overall Wonga Deal?

View Results

Loading ... Loading ...



Tags: Financials · Newcastle News · Sponsors · Strips



<


285 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Repost

    Are we looking at football as a business and economy rife with morals and that this latest deal goes against the fine upstanding morals that are promoted in football?!

    Footballers earn immoral amounts of money, Sepp Blatter the head of the sport is one of the most corrupt and crooked men about. Russia and Qatar have been awarded international tournaments despite having appalling human rights records, and we all know why they have been awarded these tournaments, yet none of you are up in arms about this, instead a lot of you would rather slate the club for aligning themselves with a company who offer pay day loans.

    The people who get shafted by these companies are the ones that are too dumb to realise what they are for SHORT TERM LOANS! If you have been rejected for a loan in your bank then chances are there is a damn good reason for that. Perhaps I am being a bit cynical but I would rather focus on the benefits that arise out of this deal than the negatives.

    1) Huge additional investment in both the Academy and the Foundation Enterprise Scheme which can only be good for the club’s future.

    2) Increased revenue in comparison to the Virgin Money deal.

    3) WE GET ST JAMES’ PARK BACK!

    Why are we not all delighted?! Put this fake moral concern malarkey away and call a spade a spade. Some of you just like nothing more than a good old whinge about the club and will take any chance you get to do so. Some of you lot pretend to care about the moral rights or wrongs about Wonga but the reality is that you really couldn’t give a toss, you just want to slate MA and DL AGAIN!

    Stand up for SJP, stand up for the lads, stop your bloody whining and support the bloody team for christ sake!

  • 2 mattyNUFC // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    i understand the upheaval, and i agree with toonLYF on the last thread that it sounds like a sunday league sponsor

    but, as an American, to me this is nothing but the same. AIG was on Man U’s shirts for godsakes! Arguably the masters behind the worst financial crises in the history of finance!

    And now, Chevrolet has a deal in place with both Liverpool and Man U for next year topping nearly $1,000,000,000 !!!!

    do you know where that moneys coming from to fund two of the largest sporting institutions in the WORLD?? US TAXPAYERS because we F****** bailed them out! TWICE!!

    sorry, as a die-hard toon fan this sucks but don’t make it sound like this travesty is isolated. I could only imagine if the majority of Americans knew their money, which has to be repaid, is going to the coffers of two clubs to spend exorbitant amounts of money on mercenaries while the US is still racking up 1.5 trillion dollars in debt each year

    get a grip. this is football

  • 3 mattyNUFC // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    which has yet to be repaid*

  • 4 mattyNUFC // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    Imagine if this sponsorship was on the backs of all you UK citizens….

    then how up-in-arms would you be?

    can you say ‘meltdown’?

  • 5 rainrix // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    I’m Less bothered if they’re just our shirt sponsors tbh. At least now we are staying SJP. Also That shirt is really shoddy photoshop work no offence whoever made it ;)

  • 6 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Ruddy, so shorthand for your argument is that everyone that is poor only has themselves to blame, and morality can be coveniently abandoned as long as Newcastle get a few quid in.
    And we should be grateful that SJP is back when it should not have been taken away in the first place.
    BTW block caps does not make your argument any more convincing.

  • 7 richyg01 // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    @5, yeah that shirt is really annoying!

    We need the Blue Star back!!

  • 8 kingwyn // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    that Ashley gadgey has done alright ain’t he

  • 9 jesperfuglsang // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    I don’t really approve of these loan shark companies, but they are not illegal; so it is up to the British government to do something. My advise is – do not take a loan with a company like Wonga (it is a bad deal, especially if you know you cannot pay the interests)!

    That said, from a Newcastle point of view it does look like a great deal. The club seems to get a lot of money over the next four years and we get to call St. James’ Park, guess what :D St. James’ Park (well I did that anyway) but Newcastle get money this way as well!!!

  • 10 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    Ruddy good post
    Personally i didnt and dont want wonga splashed all over our kit but not sure how the FA can object it seeing as there blackpools current sponser

    I dint really want to get in to the whole are they moral/immorale thing but for me no company should be allowed to trade whilst pulling off stunts like this

    http://www.empireclaims.co.uk/blog/index.php/payday-loan-king-wonga-taking-fraudulent-funds-from-random-victims/

  • 11 archaeomag // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    At least many NUFC fans can relate to grinding the faces of the desperately poor.

    Usury-r-us @St Wonga’s Park

  • 12 ogm // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    Don’t really care who sponsors us as long as the money gets spent on the team.

  • 13 archaeomag // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    Are we now expecting 2000% effort and commitment from the players?

  • 14 toonincheek // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Long time ago, I did post that I hoped for a sponsor who would have the style to include the naming rights in the deal but revert to St. James Park.

    Given the choice of a reputable sponsor with a stadium name to match, and Wonga but having St. James Park back – I think I would have gone for a reputable sponsor.

  • 15 Rotonda heights // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Taking morals and ethics out of it I just think we could have done a lot better financially.

    For a one team town with over 50k crowds and in Europe, is Wonga really the only game in town? maybe it is.

  • 16 paul6257 // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    i totally understand the benefits of a good sponsor deal, i just find it difficult to except on a morale standpoint. But hey who am i to have morale’s when it seems like everyone is selling out, eh, Ed , the box im typing into has a payday loan advertisement both above it and below it plus the two on the home page header!

  • 17 archaeomag // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    @ ED;
    For me -This page is now covered with adverts for loan sharks . .this W@@ga thing has started to corrupt this blog already

  • 18 jesperfuglsang // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    @ #1… Is that you real Ruddy? :)

    …must be it doesn’t sound like Ryddy Jiz. How you been mate?

  • 19 jesperfuglsang // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    *Ruddy not Ryddy :)

  • 20 alienhunter // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    To all those trying to take a moral stance against this deal..

    Wonga, if used correctly, is a useful though slightly expensive, service. You are only supposed to borrow from them short term and only really if you can afford to pay it back. The decision making and responsibility is with the person who borrows.

    Alcohol … Also the persons responsibility not to grossly misuse it. Do we blame the breweries for alcoholism or drunken assaults / damage? Of course not. Why should we blame Wonga if customers misuse their service?

    Are alcohol companies predatory?

    How many of you that are “outraged” by this were also morally outraged when we were sponsored by Greenalls or Newcastle brewery? After all alcohol has surely caused as much damage as loan sharks in terms of being misused by the ignorant and vulnerable

  • 21 gonufc (up and Hatem) // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    @ogm – so if it was Ku Klux Klan@ St James park that would be fine if they bought us a CB?

  • 22 mattyNUFC // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    …and of course. no one gives two s***s about Chevrolet sponsoring those clubs on the backs of American taxpayers yet you’re all up in arms about a company exploiting people more locally.

    this blog is too much sometimes.

  • 23 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    Ruddy Jiz seemingly retired again earlier. Something to thank Ashley and Wonga for?

  • 24 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    Tequila

    Caps for emphasis only. My point is that football is an immoral business, and there are much more immoral things in football that do not incite the same level of anger among fans, I just see this as an example of people who prefer to take a negative approach about all things NUFC or MA jumping on a moral bandwagon to have a good old whinge.

    It is a shame to say it but if, as a club, we choose to be more morally upstanding than the likes of Man U, City or Liverpool then we would sadly be left behind. A profit at all costs culture may not be what we want to see at our club but if we want to keep up with the big boys, and ultimately be one of the big boys again, then these are the avenues our club must pursue.

    Also getting SJP back is a pretty big deal if you ask me, and we are all angry that it was taken away in the first place but if it has squeezed an extra few million from Wonga for them to buy it then ultimately the stunt has worked in the sense that we have opened that up as a revenue stream and got the name back.

    Btw, if we discussed the moral wrongs in football today we would be here all day. I would prefer if people stopped going on like modern day Gandhi’s and admit that they just want nothing more than to slate the owners

  • 25 jesperfuglsang // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    archaeomag…I think these adds are meant to be somewhat intelligent ;) they try to show something similar to what you visit on the Internet (stop visiting loan shark companies or google them ;))

  • 26 Slank // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    Mike Ashley is a very shrewd and very successful businessman. Newcastle United has got financially stronger with each season. It’s not going to be another Leeds United, Portsmouth or Glasgow Rangers. Neither is it going to be a ManU mired in debt with the owners helping themselves to whatever they can get away with.

    As a general rule it’s fair to say that the fans possibly know more about football than Mike Ashley and Derek Llambias but it’s also true that they know little or nothing about the successful financial management of a football club whereas Ashley (in particular) and Llambias know about financial management. Our club is in sound financial hands.

    It ain’t going down the pan into administration. It isn’t in hock to external companies who add interest to their loans and demand payment. Moreover, it will soon be generating sufficient revenue to support all its footballing activities and not just the first team. From the blurb much of the sponsorship will go into developing the players of tomorrow and also the local lads.

    Its a good deal.

  • 27 Rotonda heights // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    Matty

    You’ll appreciate AIG and Chevrolet are huge global brands.

    Wonga is Uk based only so has very limited scope for increased revenues.

    Wonga’s offer to a top 5 team (well last season any way) is a joke. Manu get 350M sponsorship over the same time frame

  • 28 archaeomag // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    @alienhunter
    Back in the Day ‘Newcastle’ [Brown Ale etc.] was a recognised local brand and employer, part of the wider NE community – not a bunch of Shylocks from London

  • 29 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    Jesper and Ibiza

    I am not going to stay for long, I read that Wonga got the sponsorship deal and foresaw a meltdown on the blog and thought I’d try and steady the ship with counter points to the usual moral BS that some people are hiding behind.

    I am not too bad lads, taking a break from the blog by and large, still read it religiously for my sins but I can’t see myself ever coming back on it with much regularity, there’s too much insanity among the ranks :P

    Likening Wonga to Ku Klux Klan? Well they lynched black people…so I would suggest that is a somewhat polemic comparison and is the rankest form of exaggeration to negate someone else’s point. Try reason and logic in future.

  • 30 ramboreilly // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    Most people actually would not care if the klu klux clan did sponsor us,if as you say we got a CB.The club has lost its sole,but hey if we get a player who couldnt give a shit about the club and is here only for the money.Well as long as hes quality everyones happy.

  • 31 alienhunter // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    So locality means that a blind eye can be turned to morality,archeomag? Would it be okay if Wonga were a Newcastle based company?

  • 32 richyg01 // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    At the end of the day, we can only be sponsored by companies that want to sponsor us.

  • 33 jesperfuglsang // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    Ibiza…I don’t trust Ruddy Jiz; I has retired one too many times ;) lol

  • 34 jesperfuglsang // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    * that just didn’t make sense :) I meant he has retired one too many times ;) lol

  • 35 Slank // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    alienhunter @ 20

    Very well put about booze and breweries.

  • 36 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    Also if you don’t want to see the loan company ads just put a bloody ad blocker on your browser…

    Seriously.

  • 37 Rotonda heights // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    has the club lost it’s sole or soul? I’m confused

  • 38 gonufc (up and Hatem) // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    @Ruddy – I did NOT liken wonga to the KKK. He said he couldn’t care less who the sponsor was as long as they paid up.

  • 39 richyg01 // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    @37

    Sole mate, Fish is off the menu!

  • 40 archaeomag // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    @jesperfuglsang
    Luckily – not even W£nga will lend me money

  • 41 Slank // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    alienhunter @ 31

    How many local Newcastle companies sponsor their local football team, not many if any. They won’t or can’t put their hands in their corporate pockets. To me that is what is the shame.

  • 42 Munster Mag // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    Ruddy at 1, stop telling intelligent fans what to do. I was one of the first on this site that that Ashley for buying Anita. In the same way, if I think that linking NUFC to a dubious organisation like Wonga is questionable, I’ll be the first to say it. I’ll also praise, not bash, Ashley when he buys the centre half that we need. I’m still waiting to do that though, despite the club now being in such a splendid lean shape financially.

  • 43 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    Matty
    Literally within minutes, probably due to the uproar from the british public, a high ranking member of the british government has requested the F.A investigate the deal
    If the US government is happy to let to companies like that sponsor foriegn teams then thats more to do with the state of your goverment and not so much us

  • 44 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    Ruddy, your making an assumption that I am using the Wonga thing as an excuse for a bit of MA bashing. Not the case. I have never been in the camp that demonised Ashley.
    Discussing morals on a blog is pretty pointless and I agree football in general is a pretty amoral business. My objection to Wonga is based purely on their business model which is to charge extortionate interest on the most vulnerable members of society. Not everyone who is skint has only themselves to blame. People don`t choose Wonga because they think it`s a great deal they do it because the traditional lenders will not touch them with a bargepole. Does that make Barclays more moral than Wonga ? No it does not. For me it comes down to a personal choice, my choice is that getting into bed with loansharks is wrong. For others it`s so what as long as we are Ok. who cares.

  • 45 jesperfuglsang // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    Ruddy…I am very good at being selective when it comes to addressing other posters ;) works wonders for my health and sanity mate!

    …hope you won’t leave for good – I don’t think that would be healthy for you mate :)

    By the way, I have some bad news for you mate; the new Muse album more or less sucks :(

  • 46 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    Gonufc

    My point being that your counter argument was extravagant and hardly in keeping with sense and reason. I don’t think anyone would want their club associated with an organisation that murdered people due to racial differences, so to pull him up on that point was quite frankly ridiculous.

  • 47 Munster Mag // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:40 PM

    Ibiza, are you changing sides again? You said earlier that you didnt want Wonga. Now those of us who dont want them are hiding behind “the usual moral BS ” . How ridiculous.

  • 48 walton1984 // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:40 PM

    At the end of the day i couldnt care less who our shirt sponsor is or if they rename St James Park…………if it brings in money so we can sign a new player each season then surely that is for the good of the club……..

    Its the Newcastle Badge and Black and white Stripes we all love and Has anybody called our ground Sport Direct Arena (except thick Mackems) no that will always be SJP

  • 49 Rotonda heights // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/9596544/Newcastle-Uniteds-Wonga-sponsorship-speaks-volumes-about-football-and-Mike-Ashley.html

  • 50 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    So Wonga want to be endorsed by a Premier League club, but for obvious reasons no one wants a bar of them, so Ashley concocts the remarkable suggestion that they can buy a shirt and ground sponsorship as long as the ground reverts back to St Jame’s Park after he himself has enjoyed over a years free advertising from the original ground renaming.

    Is that what has happened here, if so what masterful opportunism!

  • 51 jesperfuglsang // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    archaeomag…good for you mate :)

    Does anybody know where Wonga is based?

  • 52 Ashton // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    It’s only a name, why are you people so self conscious? Who cares about the name!!!!!!!!!!

  • 53 toonLYF // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    imagine if we were sponsored by Brown Ale again? Would be like a new signing har har har.

  • 54 archaeomag // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    @alienhunter
    No, the point was there was a connection between the club, sponsor, and wider local community, it was not about morals, or mores which clearly change over time.
    For some people the club is not just a business, but it is part of their cultural/ community identity, and this makes them sensitive to such issues.

  • 55 gonufc (up and Hatem) // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    @Ruddy – He stated this:
    “Don’t really care who sponsors us as long as the money gets spent on the team.”

    You don’t think an extreme example that questions this is logical?

    I think that’s a pretty precarious stance to take.

  • 56 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    Guys…One quick thing before all hell breaks out on here. People will generalise opinions. This isn’t as simple as pro or anti Ashley, so let’s not take all comments to heart and try and keep some perspective.

    Ruddy….Good to see you’re alive. Hope you’re keeping well and out of trouble.

  • 57 bills-son // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    Ruddy @ 1 and alienhunter @ 20 – good sensible posts.

    I said much the same thing on the blog on Sunday when the story broke and got hammered by the usual ‘see all evil in MA and DL’ lot with wynsleap, Munster Mag, solano and dave1961 leading the way.

    I bet they are choking on their bile that MA has agreed with Wonga that the stadium goes back to SJP – but we still get naming right income + they sposor additional investment in both the Academy and the Foundation Enterprise Scheme. MA keeps shoving it down their throats time and again – he has more nous in his pinky fingertip than these bigots have in their body.

    I see also also that 66% of fans on the blog think that that overall the deal is a good one for NUFC compared to just 18% who think it is a bad one – just shows wynsleap, Munster Mag, solano and dave1961 for all their blustering and bile are in the minority.

  • 58 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    Munster

    I am beyond trying to talk to people like you. Take a look at your own comments in the previous threads and tell me whether my own approach is any different than yours. Pot. Kettle. Black. Bloody ridiculous.

    Tequila

    I wasn’t levelling the accusation at you per se, perhaps you feel strongly, on a moral basis, that this deal is wrong, but you would be in the minority. A lot of people against this deal are using morals as an excuse, as in they selectively be morally upstanding if it allows them to have a pop at MA and that is ridiculous as far as I am concerned.

    Jesper

    I have stopped commenting on a regular basis but I am always lingering in the background mate ;)

    The new album is a bit…iffy in parts but I like the experimentation that is going on in it and I think Madness and Supremacy are great songs but I agree it is a bit of a let down.

  • 59 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    Thank god there are people on this blog talking some sense, ruddy, slank ,richy, alienhunter,matty, you have understood the deal completly it is a sound deal.

    SJP back and we are getting more money than virgin gave us. The cathederal in its real home, i will thank wonga for that no problem.

    Thousands of people are grateful for the payday lenders, they use it as a type of overdraft, 20 quid on top for 200 it pulls a lot out of trouble.

    abuse the company you will get done, but if has been said if you are still having difficulty paying the money back get in touch and the will genuinly help.

    Morally every big company have been villians we all know that surely.

    They offer a service a service that no one has to take up, if you do you pay back then bobs your uncle, happy days.

    More money in to the club and SJP back, happiest day for a long time concerning the toon.

  • 60 cndrbrown // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    Im excited, mainly for SJP being the name again. But i will hold reservations for money spent to bring guys in at the winter transfer window. As a Canadian I am impartial to who the sponsors are, but there are far worse companies that could sponsor us. AIG, etc. I would have liked to see chevy sponsor us as I’m a GMC truck owner ;)
    HTL

  • 61 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    Munster….I feel this is going to be one hell of a rollercoaster. I have said I would prefer another company to Wonga. There are bigger and better companies out there, however it doesn’t seem that they have offered to be our sponsors and if they have, clearly not as much as Wonga.

    On Wonga, what I have said is they are not the antichrist company some are making them out to be. Yes, the people who will likely use them are perhaps the last people that should do, but it is those peoples choice. If someone did something about it, there would be no need to use Wonga and they would simply disappear. Quite obviously, people feel there is a need for them, which is extremely saddening. Doesn’t make them really any worse than any other company who takes the p*ss. I’m not changing sides and If I have said anything different than this post I am sorry, it was not my intention, perhaps I should slow down and explain myself better.

  • 62 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    Just quickly
    Exactly where does it state anywhere that they are reuturning the name to St. James park??

  • 63 ramboreilly // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    If the klu klux clan sponsored us 25m a season belive me a lot of supporters wouldnt object,quite so strongly.Especially if the club named the players we were going to buy with the money.

  • 64 toonLYF // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    This announcement has put pressure on Ashley IMO. If he now doesn’t invest at the very least 8m in January, things won’t be pretty.

  • 65 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    Gonufc

    I think his original comment, (without trying to speak on his behalf) was meant to exclude murderous, racist organisations, surely that much was implied….

    Munster I don’t see why you are feeling the need to take digs, Ibiza can have an opinion, change an opinion or argue both sides of the coin if he so chooses, who are you? The bloody thought police?!

    Bills-son

    There may be a section of fans who are totally morally outraged, but I believe these to be in an absolute minority, there are a much larger negative section of fans who take everything MA does and see it as destructive or negative and I believe that blinkered approach isn’t the correct one to take. The added investment in those two areas, on top of added revenue and getting the name SJP back, for me, makes this a great deal.

  • 66 Dannyo // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    If people hate Wonga this much, they should’ve done something about it sooner, like making it it impossible for them to survive.
    To start slagging their name now, as soon as they’re on the shirt, claiming to boycott matches and not buy tickets is hypocritical imo.
    If u hate the company this much, why wait until now to do something?

    The deal is good for us, in fact, it’s the best deal we’ve had since MA took over, and they got someone to pay to call the stadium the name it has always had.

    Wake up ppl, Wongas been around for quite some time now…

  • 67 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    TDS im surprised at you stirring the pot and giving the neggers ammunition, your a good poster generally.

    every big corporation are have their moments dont they, ie banks energy companies, credit companys.

    lets not make our new sponsors out to be the devil incarnate.

    big business is ruthless the world over, simple as.

  • 68 mattyNUFC // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    TADS

    be thankful yours isn’t a two-party-farce,….an utter f****** joke

    Even though I hate they’re sunderland supporters, you’re luck to have two folks like the Milliband brothersin the Labour party. Was lucky enough to meet Ed in London a few years back (in the tube, no less). Don’t know about their day-to-day stuff but they really believe in the responsibilities they have with protecting the disenfranchised

    just my thoughts….back to footy :)

  • 69 gonufc (up and Hatem) // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    Ibiza – I agree. This is not as black and white as some are saying and not as simply ‘bad’ either.

    My stance is this: I would rather not do free advertising for Wonga, therefore I don’t want to wear a shirt with them across my chest.

    Also, I totally agree with jawballsaswallwell, this is simply Ashley taking his chance to get a bit of cash in after so much free advertising for SD.

  • 70 jesperfuglsang // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    Ruddy…those two songs along with Survival were the highly for me as well :)

    …good to know you are watching over us mate ;) (stop by for a chat ones in a while, football or non football related)

  • 71 supershola // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    I’m trying to understand the problem with wonga.

    Would people rather keep virgin and keep the sports direct arena?

    Why not get more money into the club, change the name back to st james and improve the academy.

    Its only a name on the shirt.

  • 72 Dannyo // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    @ramborelly
    That argument is irrellevant, no company would sign with KKK.
    It’s quite clearly, not the same thing…

  • 73 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    Dannyo, I am open to suggestions, how do you think I should have acted to make it impossible for them to survive?

  • 74 WWYCD // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:52 PM

    Money in the club (hopefully significant) and St James reborn? Not the worst the that can happen imo and tbf any company with the financial standing to be able to sponsor us probably has questionable background in making said coin

    End of the day their sponsorship won’t make me suddenly go after one of their loans so am not hugely bothered by thi. Heartless as it sounds if it means we start bringing in worldies for NUFC and get our homes name back I have no problem with any sponsor

  • 75 veto // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:54 PM

    did blackpool and hearts get this much grief ?

  • 76 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:54 PM

    Claims that fans are only accepting this for money reasons, for me is not correct. Maybe a few.

    There is an argument that we’ll be happy with the highest offer. To some degree, yes. However, Wonga are not out murdering people or behaving in a morally unacceptable manner imo? They’re in finance. I don’t have much time for many financial institutions, they’re all after the same thing…profit. But we’re all happy to turn to them when it suits us. Anyone have a mortgage? Anyone out there had their houses repossessed? Was it a nice experience? We can find fault in most things and please don’t think I don’t understand the difficulties a lot of people get themselves in to, I really do, but there is a social responsibility which seems to be ignored. This doesn’t start and stop with Wonga.

  • 77 archaeomag // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    Bottom line – if you don’t like the sponsor don’t buy the merchandise.
    It is up to the individual which companies and brands they let advertise on their bodies.

  • 78 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    Maybe there should be a paragraph or two of fine print under the logo on the shirts explaining how it’s not so bad when used responsibly, maybe that’ll reduce the stigma attached to the name.

  • 79 WWYCD // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    Dannyo
    Boycotts have been mentioned? Haha top draw

  • 80 bills-son // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    My view – I’d far rather have a squeaky clean sponsor with no moral issues or pi$$ taking opportunities for other fans. However, our worst fears about watching NUFC at the Wonga Arena have proven ‘groundless’ and, even better, we are going back to SJP and STILL getting naming right dosh.

    That’s why I’ve voted YES in the poll – overall its a good deal.

    Fans likening Wonga to the anti-christ are, as other have pointed out, just being naive, puerile, displaying bigoted Ashley hatred – or all three.

  • 81 gonufc (up and Hatem) // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    @Ruddy – Well, it’s good that you can interpret what was implied without there being any actual words.
    It was just a point that (not that I necessarily feel it about this) those saying they simply don’t care who the sponsor is, that plastering across the front of shirts is, just a little, endorsing the company.

  • 82 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    Jesper

    The overall mood of the blog of late has meant that, for my own sanity, I have decided to take an extended break, I wanted to say my piece about the sponsorship deal but after this goes quiet so too will I (collective sigh of relief) :P

    I don’t think they have had a properly solid album since Black Holes and Revelations, which is a disappointment, but I still love them and as far as I am concerned they have immortalised themselves for what they have done in the past so anything they try now is to push the boundaries of what they can do, which may please some people and may not, but they’re legends in my eyes :D

  • 83 supershola // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    Thats a point veto , No onse seemed bothered when blackpool started being sponsored by wonga. I really dont see the big deal

  • 84 Slank // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    archaeomag

    ‘…it is part of their cultural/ community identity, and this makes them sensitive to such issues..’

    Agreed, it’s such a pity there is so little, if any sponsorship money from local companies?

  • 85 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    Gonufc

    The very term “implied” refers to deriving a meaning that was intended without the explicit words being used, so erm yeah it is good that I can do that.

  • 86 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    Ibiza mate you only have to scroll up the comments to see plenty of who cares as long as we get a new CB etc

  • 87 boater // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    Considering Ashley’s track record for wanton disregard of the historical and cultural aspects of the club and regional community, this could have been worse. We get our stadium name back woohoo- but only at the expense of a morally repugnant sponsorship deal. Says a lot about the standards we now have under Ashley.

    Shame, as Virgin is a well-respected, iconic global name forged from a reputation for thriving without trampling on the little people.

    As for Ku Klux Klan – they would be more interested in Liverpool or Chelsea surely.

  • 88 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    Meant to continue that comment…

    Yes, agreeing sponsorship is in essence endorsing it. If Wonga is used sensibly then it can benefit a great many people, the problem is that a lot of people are, quite simply, idiotic in their use of it.

  • 89 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    Beefman
    Its got nout to do with neggars or OV
    Some ppl think its a good deal and will be a huge investment to the club
    Some think it is an antichrist company who have single handly caused world economics to crumble
    I personally dont care how the name sounds or how it looks on the shirt but this company has been found to be taking money out of ppls accounts to recoup losses’ and that is wrong from an ethical and buisness stand point

    To balance the arguement yes its good there investing in the youth set up and yes a four year sponsorship deal shows stability but until you hear how much the deal is worth and confirmation that the stadium will revert to St. James then the arguement that its a good deal for the club is just as fictional as the arguement its morally wrong of the club

  • 90 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:01 PM

    Every time MA makes a decision his detractors have a winge.

    Christ there were were people on here moaning about the ten year season ticket freeze, after that i knew for sure the ones moaning had a personel vendetta against the owner and nothing has changed.

    We are back on the top table of the premiership and will stay there in my opinion.

    very good players, a very stable club, money coming in, back to SJP

    On my mothers grave, i cant see how we have anything to moan about, we are respected by all prem teams we are feared by all prem teams, we are going forward with happy players and staff and managment, why try and rock the boat, i just dont get it.

  • 91 archaeomag // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    Will the funny, cuddly, trustworthy, wise, elderly plastic relatives that currently advertise Wonga start wearing replica kit?

  • 92 richyg01 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:03 PM

    New Shirt Design

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/nufcwonga.jpg/

    All Rights Reserved by Me.

  • 93 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:03 PM

    Matty
    To be honest i font know much about US politics it all seems a bit showbiz rather than trying to do what they were put in office to do

  • 94 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:04 PM

    Ed, as has been said by someone your headline is stirring it up a bit fella, you have advertisments for loan companys all over the blog.

    You are a good man i know that for sure, that is a tad hypcritical for me though if you are then having a dig at wonga.

  • 95 stuart no9 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    who is really bothered who sponsors us ?.not not me for one.we wont get to see the cash anyway.the main thing is, if we get our name back, that”l do me.

  • 96 GeordieRealist // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:07 PM

    The entire deal, from the moment Ashley renamed the stadium after his own company was set up to give whoever took over the naming rights the massive positive marketing boost of changing the name back to St James Park. Regardless of what they said about showing off what could be done.

    Read the last line of this – says it perfectly…

    http://whatculture.com/sport/newcastle-wonga-officially-rename-st-james-park.php

  • 97 archaeomag // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:07 PM

    @Slank – Sadly, Call centres don’t need the publicity; the days when we made some the finest engineered products in the world are rapidly fading from memory.

  • 98 jesperfuglsang // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    Ruddy…Muse will always be a band I admire as well :)

    By the way, I didn’t know Wonga was a slang word for money in some parts of Britain (I thought it was some king of aboriginal) :D

    And apparently they are based in London (we don’t have these kind of companies in DK)

  • 99 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    Beefman, ed does not choose the ads, advertisers use tracking cookies so for example you have googled Nike trainers chances are you will see nike ads. If you type in Wonga enough on your posts you will see ads for loansharks

  • 100 Dannyo // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    @tequliamag
    Your job would be, dont use their services.
    Something u seem to already be doing, and that would be the same for everyone else.
    But they sustain cause ppl use them, they chose to.
    Now, it’s to our benefit.

    WWYCD
    Ppl threatning to never buy a shit, never attend a game, tearing up season tickets.
    Its stupid mate.

  • 101 GeordieRealist // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    Also @Ed, the Virgin deal wasn’t worth £20m over two years, it was worth £10m for the entirety of the deal, which was the two years, so £5m a year at most.

    And even then, it’s not like Virgin to spend that sort of money when they didn’t have to. The Wonga deal is a comparatively massive increase in sponsorship revenue of 60% each year. Be mad to turn that down no matter what sort of tat-peddler or loan shark came knocking.

  • 102 ichrisho // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:10 PM

    I agree and apologise for earlier saying that ED go it wrong… Its an excellent deal and th sweetner of getting the stadium name back is priceless if you ask me… more money and what we wanted way back when… now to take down those awful sports direct signs…

  • 103 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    Boater why did virgin not offer a few million more for our sponsorship and give us back SJP they surely have the bit.

    Branson got a very good deal at the time and we were grateful at the time ,business is business.

  • 104 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    Jesper
    Yeah there based in london, where wonga is cockney for money

  • 105 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    Ruddy….Back with a bang I see. I’m glad you’ve returned on a personal level (albeit only temporarily). Without your opinions for me to latch on to I’ve become somewhat of a fence sitter. I must say, I prefer to be up ones backside.

    gonufc…..Opinions will always be split – such is life. There will be good and bad aspects. I don’t think they are so horrendous that I would stop enjoying the club I love.

  • 106 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:13 PM

    Well in that case I was already doing my job Dannyo, so does that mean I am not now a hypocrite?

  • 107 martoon // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    Ed’s site uses ‘active’ adverts – the reason you lot are seeing adverts for payday loan companies is probably because you’ve looked on the Wonga website.

  • 108 WWYCD // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    Dannyo
    Top draw over reactions mate haha will never happen. Seems to be a lot of ill will about though ud think we were sponsored by blood diamond money and gallons of blood

  • 109 Dannyo // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    @tequliamag
    Evidently so :)

  • 110 richyg01 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/nufcwonga.jpg/

  • 111 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    Just want to say, I am in and out of this discussion (Honestly, I do work), so if I miss a response, don’t think I’m choosing to ignore you.

  • 112 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    Appreciated Dannyo

  • 113 richyg01 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:18 PM

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/40191515@N05/8070909902/in/photostream

    NUFC Black and White & Wonga Logo officially together for the first time.

  • 114 jesperfuglsang // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:18 PM

    TADS…that damn Cockney English :D lol (RP baby :))

  • 115 Dannyo // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    WWYCD
    One line mate:
    MA will never win.

  • 116 kingkilkline // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:21 PM

    Hello everyone
    Just heard the news. Seems as though opinions are divided on the Wonga deal! I don’t agree with the companies ethics but getting SJP back is huge. I will not have a shirt with Wonga on it though and maybe the loss in shirt sales is a consideration as I reckon a few may feel the same
    HWTL

  • 117 Dannyo // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:21 PM

    Apparently, Shola was at the presser, and he was sooooo happy when the word on SJP came out :D

  • 118 richyg01 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:22 PM

    @115

    Shola @ Press Conference@
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/40191515@N05/8070909902/in/photostream

  • 119 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:22 PM

    Tequilla ,then there should be a cookie basher, havnt been looking at credit companies, i have noticed in the past if i have been looking at travel companys they come up why should a credit company crop up on my page if i havnt been searching for them, if the cookies are doing that surely they should be disabled.

  • 120 richyg01 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:23 PM

    @117, probably something to do with the article being titled Wonga – Keyword.

  • 121 WWYCD // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    Dannyo
    That’s cos he’s a a$$ clown mate haha

  • 122 Novocastrian66 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    All the moralists on here should rise up as one and petition the government to take action against these high interest money lenders, as opposed to bleating on about one such lender spending their money on a football club sponsorship deal.
    Right who is going to organise this?
    Shhhhh.

  • 123 Lynxie // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    Whats teh betting the Sports Direct logos remain there in place? My bet is that before long the ground roof starts to resemble a formula one drivers overalls……..

  • 124 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:28 PM

    Dannyo, MA will win beacuse he will leave SJP with more money than he put in, its a business and he will sucseed, hes to clever not to, trample on a few toes sure, but we will be dining still at the top table when he does go i genuinly believe that.

  • 125 richyg01 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:29 PM

    I have worked it out, the sponsorship with Wonga, its coz the guy on the Wonga adverts looks like Pards!
    Pards

    Wonga Earl

    Pards: http://i4.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article1173319.ece/BINARY/Alan+Pardew

  • 126 gonufc (up and Hatem) // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:29 PM

    This St James’ naming thing is such a farce. Almost like it’s been done on purpose….

    I really can’t feel pleased about it (not that I liked it called SD arena) because it such an unsavoury marketing ploy.

  • 127 nufc786 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11708/8152892?
    charlie austin
    i know at the mist of this wonga thing……… got sjp back gr8 news tht………

  • 128 tarie4 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    Rotonda heights

    Where did U get those figures of 8 mill U are providing as fact on previous articles?? Pliz dnt tell me U got it from the papers, those same papers that said we got well more than the 3 mill we are finding out now that virgin is giving us. U also mentioned that we shud have stuck with Virgin, how do U knw that mike and del wanted a better deal from virgin, but that was blown out the water by wongas deal.

    And what’s this I am hearing about wonga not being a global brand (face in palm)
    Who cares as long as wonga offers the going rate… Virgin offer 3 mill (global brand) and wonga offer 5 mill (local brand) I knw which I would go for everyday. Some people

  • 129 Novocastrian66 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    @ Go NUFC. Of course renaming the ground was done on purpose. Good grief.

  • 130 nufc786 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    gonufc
    so bigger things are at work while the return of SJP is a ploy????

  • 131 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    GONFC with respect virgin have been ruthless buggers in the past, loads lost jobs when he sold the music division of the company, sir dickie is ruthless no question you do not get to were he is without being ruthless, no chance.

    We get more bit from wonga we get SJP back. no problem at all from me, dont forget some were worrying cos they would have VIRGIN on their shirts!

  • 132 Dannyo // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    @beefman
    Hehe, that may be mate, but there’s still a few years ahead, quite a few infact.
    And to get there there sooner, he needs the CL :)

  • 133 hatem or love him // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    I for one couldn’t give a toss on who sponsors us as long as we sign players & now we have St’James Park back as our home name even though it was during the shitty sports direct arena era. But it’s official now. You prick Ashley f****** greedy knob

  • 134 nufc786 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    Derek Llambias, Managing Director of Newcastle United, said: “We are building a club that can regularly compete for top honours at the highest level.

    “As everyone knows, a strong commercial programme is vital to this goal and I am delighted to welcome Wonga into the fold as our lead commercial partner, alongside Puma and Sports Direct.

    “Throughout our discussions Wonga’s desire to help us invest in our young playing talent, the local community and new fan initiatives really impressed us and stood them apart from other candidates.”

  • 135 tarie4 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    as a Newcastle fan I believe this is a good deal. we will be getting are proud name back on the stadium. the deal is for 4 years. and they must be paying more than anyone else offered. so how can that be bad. and as for people saying they’ll never go to st James park again, good because your meant to support Newcastle as a team not for where they get money from.

  • 136 Lynxie // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    gonufc (up and Hatem):
    So renaming St James’ Park was a deliberate ploy?
    ……………D’ya think?

    I am sure you would have been more happy to see it called the ‘termasandconditionsapplypleaseaskthebillpayerspermissionyourhomemaybeatriskifyoumissapayment Stadium? Moron. Some people are never happy. So we are getting a new blue thing across the shirt. A far cry from the mood of the entire region when Ashley decided to prostitute the stadium after his own tatty brand. And not forgetting those hideous Sports Direct badges…..

  • 137 tarie4 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    Ashley is amazing, NUFC have been given money to call the ground St James’s Park. Genius! :)

  • 138 Novocastrian66 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:38 PM

    Wonga might be planning to go global or pan European and we’re part of their marketing strategy. Personally I’m not bothered. As I said earlier today I don’t know what all the fuss is about.
    If the deal benefits NUFC great. If it helps Wonga increase their revenue streams good luck to them.
    They obviously see NUFC as something worth investing in. What is the issue?

  • 139 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:38 PM

    tarie4, its a no brainer, morally sir richard got us on the cheap was he bothered, i dont think so.

    i am grateful for the extra income, christ the mackems had tombola on their tops.

  • 140 Lynxie // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:40 PM

    tarie4:
    Well said Sir. Nail on the head. Its the BADGE we wear with pride, not some here today gone tomorrow sponsor.

  • 141 richyg01 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:40 PM

    We have St. James Park Back.

    Now we need the Blue Star back on the shirt.

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/nufcwonga.jpg/

  • 142 Football In Numbers // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    Great to see the stadium name back to St James’ Park. It’s more than just a name, its a cultural heritage.

    A colleague of mine wrote a great match report on the Man Utd game. Check it out if you get chance because it highlights some great areas of the pitch where we did well and dominated for a good part of the match. Ill put the link below if your interested;

    http://footballinnumbers.com/newcastle-0-manchester-united-3-match-analysis/

  • 143 Lynxie // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    tarie4: LOL quality!!
    Richy: You, sir have my vote on the designing of the shirts. They are looking for someone, so get your name in the hat, thats a nice top that mate.if Wonga want ‘buy in’ they could do no worse.

  • 144 ToonDownSouth // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:43 PM

    I can’t see a single quote anywhere that refers to the return of SJP.

    It’s not mentioned once on the official site.

    Anyone?

  • 145 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:43 PM

    Lads, when you go to SJP watch the green square in the middle of the pitch, dont worry yourselves what is written around you.

  • 146 nufc786 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    141richyg01
    nice design

  • 147 Lynxie // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:45 PM

    By the way chaps, its easy to see why Wonga wanted on our Shirts. Its because they want everyone in Europe (most of them skint) to ask the question on a Thursday night (next season it will be Tuesday /Wwednesday), ‘Qui est La Wonga?/ Donde es El Wonga? etc etc . they too want to be more than a UK brand. Obvious to me Like…….

  • 148 richyg01 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:46 PM

    @143, Why thank you kind sir.

  • 149 gonufc (up and Hatem) // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:46 PM

    My point is, he is prostituting the stadium to the same degree now as it comes as part of the package. You “rename” the stadium to get everybody on board.

    Why are some pretending this renaming has been done for the love of the club?

  • 150 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:46 PM

    Oh by the way ian lavery MP mr honest and sincere politician see you in 4 years you attention seeking liar!

  • 151 Lynxie // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:46 PM

    Beefman:
    Logical and simple, I like it! Better still watch those people on the green thing!! And shout at them!!

  • 152 Dannyo // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    @TDS
    It’s quoted by all the journos on the presser, and quoted now by Pardew.

  • 153 Lynxie // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:49 PM

    gonufc:
    no one is pretending that Wonga have suddenly become diehard mags overnight, its obviously the main item of news that has sprung up today… hence it will get collumn inches. The entire point of the exercise – publicity and advertisement. no club generates this like our club, most of the time adversely. So it is a win win move by wonga, personally I love it. genius marketing stroke if you ask me, it will be on every sports page and financial news spread. Mission acomplished.

  • 154 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    TDS have a look at football in numbers link for confirmation of the name change back to.

  • 155 Lynxie // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    When are the new strips out? Where can I get a loan to buy one? LOL

  • 156 Carryingcoals // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    Personally I wouldn’t say I ‘approve’ of the deal, as we are raising awareness of a site that does indeed exploit the needy.

    ibiza

    You have made some very interesting points. Some people will be able to use wonga and use it wisely, to an extent that it won’t harm them. However a lot will suffer from it. I agree with what you have been saying about the government and how their role should come in to play with money lending.

    Despite not ‘approving’, I do condone the deal however. It is beneficial for NUFC. Giving us the stadium name back is of course excellent PR mind.

    We want success for Newcastle United. I believe in the direction of which the club is going and this deal will contribute in striving towards success.

    There are far more exploitative firms/companies out there. I don’t think Ashley has necessarily shaken hands with the devil here.

    Of course it’s a shame to have it on the shirts though. Stoke are sponsored by bet365. Gambling and betting is one of the few things that have boomed since the recession, as money lenders have too. It’s the world we live in, the world has and is indeed changing.

    Ashley is a realist and has done the best deal for the club in the relative circumstance.

    Nobody can approve of the morality and it reflects the world we currently live in. Adapt.

    The shirt sponsor should not affect your support for the club.

    I want to ask you all this though. How damaging is it having wonga on the shirt to society? Because we raise it’s profile let’s presume more people will now be aware of wonga and in turn use it, thus we’ve indirectly contributed to people potentially suffering. People seem to be blowing it waaaaaay out of proportion here, it’s not as if us having the name on our shirts directly harms people.

    That isn’t our responsibility and I don’t believe we can condemn Ashley too much here. Once again he has shown how much of an astute business man he is, benefiting his business(the club) as he knows how.

    As I think Dannyo previously mentioned – he can never win.

    People will oppose the deal for:
    1. the anti ashley camp who are against everything he does regardless
    2. those that see the immorality and don’t want our club associated with it

    For all you number 2s out there, I see where you are coming from but the deal is beneficial for NUFC and that is what I care about. I am aware of wonga’s potential exploitation of the needy but they are a company who are a product of the society we live in. They don’t force people to borrow from them and those who do should read the terms and conditions before they take the money.

  • 157 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    Is anyone else thinking what I’m thinking? What does Kets make of all this? I for one hang on his every word….how do we summon him?

    Williamson is better than Messi?

  • 158 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    Dannyo
    Feel better if pards has quoted it but until its offical i believe fcuk all the journos have to say

  • 159 Carryingcoals // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:55 PM

    And getting the name back is great and all but I’ll always have a place in my heart for the Sports Direct Arena … ;)

  • 160 Lynxie // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM

    Ibizatoon:
    We should construct a large light that we can beam into the sky, just like the one they use in Gotham city. Something around 10 million watts with the outline of a nobhead should do just fine………..

  • 161 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM

    Ibiza
    Is he not still in the shed? You didnt let him out did you

  • 162 gonufc (up and Hatem) // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM

    I was looking forward to Roy Hodgson saying “Wonga Arena”….

    Only joking, an England manager would never come up to Newcastle…..

  • 163 Carryingcoals // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM

    ibiza

    I do genuinely want to know kets’ opinion.

    the deal = more money for us = transfers = new centre back = willo lower down the pecking order

    However, he probably doesn’t take in to account that wonga was the best deal and will complain that we haven’t got a billion pound deal capable of bringing in falcao!!!

  • 164 Lynxie // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM

    carrying coals:
    LOLOLOLOL quality. Comedy Gold mate.

  • 165 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM

    Carrying….You would think they’re good points, you too are a middle of the road w@nker or fence sitter :)

    I think some people are mixing up issues a bit (not a lot new there).

    Very good summary, you managed to fit a few threads of posts into one comment. Ever considered writing before? Perhaps a blog of some sort?

    I would point out at this point, that there are some people who have been relatively pro Ashley for the majority, who are not happy about this Wonga deal, so please don’t throw the Ashley lover rubbish around. It just so happens, some of us think it’s not the worst thing to happen to NUFC and perhaps may be beneficial.

  • 166 Super Magpie // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:59 PM

    So, do we go back to St James park now or at the end of the season?

    Have to say, it’s a good move by Wonga to do this. Even if they are still a disgusting company. I would still like to know what we are actually getting payed from this sponsorship deal.

  • 167 Dannyo // Oct 9, 2012 at 4:59 PM

    Just to add a thing here, Wonga excists in South Africa too, not only UK based, and as some has suggested, they are looking to expand worldwide.

  • 168 ToonDownSouth // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM

    If Pards has quoted it, that’s good.

    I just don’t trust the press. They’ve got 99% of Newcastle news wrong for the last 5 years.

  • 169 mattyNUFC // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:03 PM

    Ibiza

    still running with that fence-sitting line, huh?

    first of all, it was in jest, second of all, stop believing the whole blog is waiting for vindication from you.

    in truth your posts were a lot more amusing when you were on a side. now you just seem to be the unofficial moderator of the blog while you seem more than happy to rack up faceless ‘friends’ while beating around every subject and interjecting it with roundabout musings.

    all i said is it would be nice to hear some real thoughts from you without the weight of other posters bearing down on every point and word

  • 170 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:04 PM

    Carrying….They’re probably more suited to a mediocre team like Man U. We deserve better and more money to fund the falcao deal. What a beautiful mind.

    Tads….I took him for a walk and the lead broke…what was I to do? Use the tranquiliser gun? I’ll be accused of having no morals.

    Lynxie…..Outrageous! ;)

  • 171 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:04 PM

    Lynxie, of course its win win for wonga, we are always in the news we are in europe, advertising will be seen all over the world, they went for the deal they got it, fair play to them.

    Got it at a good price as well.

    Carryingcoals, MA isnt bothered about feelings he is in a business to make more money, i get that, but if he is sucssesful then we will be as well.

    Thats how he wins.

    fans wise off course your right a lot wont ever except the fella that point is taken and known about.

    Morally i dont give a stuff what message it puts out i see enough evil nasty things going on like child killers and wars to worry about the sponsorship of our club.

    also they do actually help hundreds of thousands of folk who need their services to get them by another month, the ones who dont pay a loan back will get the smacked arse for sure, just pay it back and i would say 99 per cent do.

  • 172 mattyNUFC // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    and Ibiza….

    I agree re wonga :D

  • 173 brobrotwins // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:06 PM

    re post

    i think alot of people on here need to grow up and get facts instead of believing everything they see on tv im 24 have 2 children and i got a wonga near christmas i stupidly got to much i couldnt afford to pay it so i rang the help line for wonga they stopped interest and i pay monthly so if this isnt helping i dont no what is and im ever grateful to them for that also i have a brother who is 22 he uses this all the time short term hes not exactly good with money but he pays back no problems they tell you what happens only time they take money off you is if you dont pay them back and dont get intouch with them then in this case you only have your self to blame while on the subject though i also had a virgin tv i got a hd box which didnt work so i got there engineer out he said my lamp was the fault so i sent the box back they still charged me an istallation fee a set up fee and 50 pounds for the box after they had it back now tell me is this fair or should we all have stopped buying shirts because of the way virgin exploit people some fans really are thick as fu** and have no clue

  • 174 Carryingcoals // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    ibiza

    haha. well erm I do have a little blog of my own yes, you may have heard of it… carrying-middleoftheroadw@nker-coals.com ;)

    As for your final point you’re right, people are ignorant of that though, aren’t they? We need to dispell this myth of the pro and con camps. What I meant though is that, there is a minority of people who will ALWAYS be against Ashley, whatever he does, without considering the potential beneficiaries for the club.

    I must say though, it’s days like this that I really love this blog.

  • 175 Carryingcoals // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

    haha as if my made up line is actually underlined in blue – I assume you its not a real site! Got a shock for a second there… :D

  • 176 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    brobro having a different point of view from you does not make them thick as fu** taking out a Wonga loan at Xmas and not having the wedge to pay them back seems a bit stupider to me.

  • 177 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    BroBro, off course they give a service and many many people take it up and are glad of it for sure. Branson is no angel by far, its mainly MA detractors who will do the propaganda bit, just so they can get a bit more bitterness out about him.

  • 178 jesperfuglsang // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    Ibiza…I don’t know if you have been told, but to summon Kets you need to chant WILLO three times (basically it like Beatlejuice, if that rings a bell :))

  • 179 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    Matty…..Thanks for the feedback. So, if I revert to being opinionated again, will you be a faceless friend of mine?

    Some issues I have strong opinions on, as I believe I do in fact make clear. It so happens that I, and others, have been called out as bullys (Yes, that’s right, bullying optimists). I have recently tried to be less forceful and to try and see both sides of things to try and return to the former days of debate. Clearly not working to well.

    As for blog moderating, give me a break. Just try and do it, it wont last long.

    Some things are worth driving yourself insane about, others not so much so. I claim my opinions, but they are just that. I am actually not arrogant enough to say that I am right and therefore am open to being persuaded otherwise. Bad news, I know.

    One last thing, so we can move on, where have I indicated that I believe people are waiting for my seal of approval?

    I like your posts, as i do many others most of the time. Let’s be clear though, you’re the one who felt the need to comment on my recent stylings, hence my need to respond.

  • 180 brobrotwins // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    to think many of you people slating wonga are congratulating virgin and wanted them to be our sponsor there as bad as any if not worse go and read up on some off there complaints online, the thing with wonga is they do exactly as they say were as virgin and lots of other companies just rob you blind and addd charges onto bill’s like virgin do probrably to hope the people dont question it i think wonga is a great short term idea if used correctly and read short term

  • 181 solano // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    Re: Bills @ 80…why I have to be mis-represented by you every single time something happens off the pitch is beyond me! Obsessed? Take a look at my previous comments and read them in full and in context and I’ll think you’ll find that they were actually reasonable and had the caveat of “if this proves to be true..”
    On the subject at hand, I have to say I am delighted at the return of SJP!
    There may be moral issues regarding certain companies and sponsors and what the small print in the deal says, may never be revealed. However, it does seem that the huge amounts of cash for stadium naming – contrary to what we were led to believe by Mike, Del and his cohorts here, just don’t exist! Even loan shark companies don’t have the balls to scrap SJP….
    Which brings me nicely to PR – something that Mike and Del (and I know this for a FACT) have been advised on this summer.
    The re-naming of SJP last year, was nothing short of disgraceful and an insult to fans past, present and future – and if it hadn’t have been for differing fans groups, local politicians, businessmen, council officials and individuals – discussing things in public meetings and behind closed doors and keeping the issue alive – SJP may never have been resurrected. Certainly the meek compliance from individuals such as Bills and Co. did nothing to righting a very avoidable wrong. In some eyes, Mike and Del have scored a huge PR success today but I think in reality it is also a bit of a U turn and a concession that the big choccies promised was all hot air. In reality even their free SD ads may not have been worth all the chew, bad publicity and drop in revenue that the club has suffered from.
    Let’s hope the issue is put to bed and doesn’t creep up at the end of the sponsorship deal…whether that be in 1 year or four.
    The stadium should never have been made into a corporate parcel in the first place! I hope now they either take down the OTT SD insignia which deface the stadium or they bloody well start paying for them!
    SJP Forever!

  • 182 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    Steve Wraith the great entrapaneur, carried the coffin of SJP didnt he, i wonder weree he burried it?

    better get your spade son were BACK!!!!
    wrong again you knacka.

  • 183 jesperfuglsang // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    …or you could say he’s like Sheldon Cooper (I bet Kets is a bit like Sheldon; not really a boy but not a machine either ;)) lol

  • 184 brobrotwins // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    tequila mag thick as fu** is not reading small print and my financial situation changed so that makes me thick i can tell what sort of mug you are just by calling money wedge grow up man !

  • 185 Carryingcoals // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    jesperfuglsang

    hahaha. He is taking out a wonga loan as we speak, paying for a hitman to take out willo…

    kets and the circle of life.

  • 186 GeordieTwo // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    Sad to see the arguments over who might be a worse sponsor than Wonga. The club looks to be in a bit of disarray again to me both on the pitch and off. The money doesn’t sound good enough for Ashley to risk this kind of negative advertising associated with the club. This is the best they can do after all the big talk over the last few years? Pretty poor. Just don’t know what to make of him as an owner. The bargain bin has gone to his head. Some call it shrewd, others would call him a lowlife who only values money. What a sad state of affairs. It could be worse I suppose as many clubs are falling into disarray now. Ah well back to the football and try to ignore this rubbish.

  • 187 archaeomag // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM

    Can they change the name of the team to SportsDirect Utd, then sell the re-naming rights?

  • 188 Super Magpie // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM

    On Kets

    Someone should really save a document with all the stuff Kets posts.
    Some of stuff would be hilarious.
    Like this-
    http://tinyurl.com/Nufcwonga

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    I hope none of you are schizophrenic

  • 189 bambams // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    I would rather we had kept virgin or took up another international respected company, but I will give wonga a full year and see how they improve our financial situation.
    You never know this could be the start of something . . .
    ‘ time will tell ‘

  • 190 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:19 PM

    brobro hope you enjoyed your Xmas, have you paid it off yet ?

  • 191 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM

    Matty…Thanks, I needed that vindication :)

    If my last post came across as sh*tty, that wasn’t the intention. I use the blog to chat most things Newcastle, like a good debate and the banter that comes along with the blog. I don’t like being questioned about my life (not applicable to you) nor how I approach the blog really, but will respond if someone feels the need to comment on such things.

    Anyway, we can move on I am sure.

    Jesper…Ahhhh….in that case, Willo, Willo, Wil……

    Carrying…Will have to check it out some time….seems right up my street (the middle of a street that is, of course). There are indeed those that are just so anti or pro they get a bit lost in their arguments, but on both sides that is the minority I believe. Doesn’t help those who swing both ways (Inviting jokes I know) with their debates mind.

  • 192 brobrotwins // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM

    yes thanks and my children got what they wanted had great christmas hope all goes well for you and your wedge lmao CHAV

  • 193 gonufc (up and Hatem) // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    @brobrotwins – I’m not taking either side (because I don’t think one company is any ‘better’ than the other) but you can’t just decide upon massive companies by the very localised small incidents which you experienced (though obviously they should impact whether you’d trade with them again!)

  • 194 mattyNUFC // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    Ibiza

    i’d just rather read real opinion and thoughts and i think with some of the ‘regular’ posters, a lot of what they say (type) is said (typed) in mind with other ‘regular’ posters with whom they don’t wish to offend/get in an argument with/i don’t know. just what it seems to me. as much as i frequent the blog, even when i have hiatuses from posting i still read all the comments, i just want to see good open debate without subtle, PC nuances to appease a few

    and yes, you guys were ‘bullies.’ there was no doubt about that! I’m sure that within the last year three or four posters (Beattie aside, as he clearly left not only the blog but the reservation too) who have not been back on because they felt they were berated too often for voicing their thoughts, and some of them had been here since the blog’s inception

    now, of course the blog is its own thing. it really is it’s an organism. ebbs and flows from the pessimists to the optimists to the neutrals. i’ll take ‘em all, hell, even that tripe bills-son spews ( :) ) but what i find a waste of time (and maybe it’s some complex within myself, mind) is why post if you have nothing to say (not you, Ibiza, per se). they’re like undecided voters.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv0ryYJY-UM – bill maher on undecided voters :)

    that’s it. rant over. here’s my olive branch, ibiza. no harm….

  • 195 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:23 PM

    Geordie two, how is the club in disaray, a new sponsorship deal, back to SJP.

    Why have imput so negative.

  • 196 Rotonda heights // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

    entrepreneur

  • 197 brobrotwins // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

    tequila mag you was only just slating ashley for taking on wonga who as you say preys on the poor and yet you just smirked at the fact i got a wonga to make my own christmas better so hope this made you feel the 8ft man you are made give your self a clap well done chap you feel proud yet ?

  • 198 brobrotwins // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:26 PM

    @ gonufc

    its not just me mate if you read comments on complaints there is thousands

  • 199 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:26 PM

    I see so I am thick as Fu** and a Chav. Hmm well I do have my own business and so far have not felt the need to go to Wonga for loan.
    Better start saving now brobro it is Oct after all. You dont want to be caught short at Xmas again now do you.

  • 200 Dannyo // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:26 PM

    @SuperMagpie
    They said the sign will be back up before the mackem clash.

  • 201 nufc786 // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:26 PM

    since we are with wonga im thinking these guys will be around………

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCMkHeEfHUk

  • 202 MAG04 // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    So the name will change back which is good news but will those SD signs either side of the Newcastle united sign come down?? Certainly hope so.

    Would be great if they went a step further and paid the sign to be put back to the original font and letter spacing too! Because that really bugs me!

  • 203 AmericanGeordie // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:28 PM

    A payday lender is not your ideal sponsor. HOWEVER, if they are not breaking any usury laws, and they are paying NUFC the best rate possible then I’m OK with it. (Remember: the alternative for people who use these types of financial services is a loan shark! For the morally outraged out there, these customers are better off engaging in these services through a legal marketplace rather than a black market.)

    BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, if they are reinstating the St. James’ Park moniker as part of this deal, I’m 100% in favor!

    (…as for the shirt, I only wear the retro Newcastle Brown Ale logo shirts anyway!)

    HOWAY THE LADS!

  • 204 bambams // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    I am sure I have read somewhere the headlines of £24 million over four years, anyone else seen this?
    I am going back to newsnownewcastle to research what I read earlier, we need to know what we are getting unless someone else knows ? Chaps any ideas what we will be getting ?

  • 205 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    Matty, you are so correct the crap flung at fans who thought MA may just not be moriaty but actually try and do something positive and follow a plan which i believe we are doing with the arsenal blueprint suits me fine.

    you have got to take it if you have been dishing it out and they done that for quite a while,

    didnt they

    I wont ever forget that and any nonsense from any of the MA hardline haters and they are in for keyboard war.

  • 206 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    Matty

    To say that “there can be no doubt” that we were bullies is quite frankly ridiculous.

    People left the blog because we were not giving them free reign to spew their vitriol and we challenged them to engage with the more optimistic people and back up their opinions rather than just simply slate the club and the players.

    Just think you are being a tad unfair to an awful lot of us.

  • 207 nufc786 // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    bambams
    8 million a year for 3 years so 24million

  • 208 brobrotwins // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    you still feeling bigger tequila i guarntee your a short little man i actualy have me new job now thanks for your concern and if your not lying that is would you like to share what buisness this is ? and you really are making your self look a fool i mean after all there is all these bloggers fuming at the prospect of wonga who people dislike for preying on the poor and here you are gloating on a site that you have your own buisness and taking great comfort from my recent down turn you wee little man lol

  • 209 Super Magpie // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    Dannyo

    Fantastic, now we need all the Sports Direct advertising taken away.
    (Hopefully not to be replaced by Wonga).
    Hopefully it’ll give the team a lift for the derby.

  • 210 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    Ruddy
    Slowly but surely the blog is taking you over again!!!!

  • 211 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    Just winding you up brobro for your thick as fu** comment.

  • 212 MAG04 // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:31 PM

    So the name will change back which is good news but will those SD signs either side of the Newcastle united sign come down?? Certainly hope so.

    Would be great if they went a step further and paid the sign to be put back to the original font and letter spacing too! Because that really bugs me!

  • 213 Tsunki // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:31 PM

    Kets wont join this thread it isnt covered in the pannini universe. May as well be talking about rocket surgery.

    Ok this is a ‘what do you think’ thread so here is mine. But to start with I dont need any hot head rebounding on me and telling me I havent read the instructions on my moral compass or how I should feel about issues emotive to me, in return I am not going to insist anyone take up my torch and join me in sacking the stadium at midnight. Here goes….

    I will use the abovementioned ‘alcohol’ illustration properly – Wonga is to me the Alcopop of the loan industry. It is specifically targeted at a vulnerable section of the market.

    The less than perfect section of society that are in need of a bit of a break and have the good will and desire to pay back on time, but for one reason or another find their good intentions scuppered by the unexpected. Its easy to say read the T’s & C’s when you havent been there. The dark edge of Wonga is that their best business, like credit card companies (which were chiefly responsible for public debt) is in keeping people just below the payback line and continually paying interest. I do not like their business model or practices, therefore I will not buy a shirt or have anything sponsored by them on me, same with online betting, tobacco companies and many others. Thats me. You do what you like but dont try and hammer me over the head with your ‘real world’ tosh, I won’t buckle to thinking like that.

  • 214 dave 1961 // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:31 PM

    we could not get St James park back because we never lost it, the land that the stadium sits on is owned by the freemen of Newcastle and controlled by the council, the club tried to change the name but was refused that’s why no one wants to pay for it because it cannot be clanged without consent. a few a**e liking cretins done what Ashley wanted but the official postal address was St James park, and always will be as most of the freemen are toon fans. and i was not surprised so many would go along with this as unfortunately morals are in short supply these days i am not against wonga because of Ashley, i am against this because they are thieves. i have never been in the situation of needing to go to a loan shark but i know of people who have. i does not affect me directly in any way, other than i feel for those that are leached off.

  • 215 MacToon // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:31 PM

    Overjoyed we have St James’ Park back officially.

    As for our new sponsor, undecided but will certainly not be buying a shirt with their name on it.
    I agree with Rotonda in as far as the deal doesn’t seem great especially when you compare it against other club’s deals.

    but having St James’ Park back is priceless ;-)

    beefman, you are wrong again, Steve Wraith had no part in carrying the coffin but don’t let facts get in your way.

  • 216 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:31 PM

    Tads

    I am here for a limited time only, I assure you ;)

  • 217 Rotonda heights // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    brobro

    Ni need to keep telling people to grow up just if they don’t happen to agree with you.

    We aren’t putting you in the class of thick chav, it’s just some of these people who get loans with people like Wonga and other loan sharks aren’t the brightest and are easily taken advantage of and it makes their situation far worse

  • 218 mattyNUFC // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    ha, Ruddy

    funny you chime in and i didn’t even mention you….with regards to one point of many.

    you are such a complete dips*** ruddy i’m blasting myself for even taking the time to respond. again, your sole role here has been to incite arguments and you do that with aplomb

    i’ll take the fake Ruddy any day, thanks.

  • 219 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:34 PM

    Matty….I’m very much a live and let live guy, so wont beat this to death (too much). Am I right then in thinking your view is that yes we were bullying with optimism, but I should return to my opinionated ways as they were more amusing and relevant (as undecided “voters” are not so)?

    I have to say, I don’t agree that we bullied people, anymore than say others have bullied people who support Ashley (if that’s what we must call it for want of a better term). I have listened to others though, who have frequented this blog longer than I and tried to relax my stance (Could be perceived as not having an opinion), yet this is deemed as poor show. I suppose you can’t really win, so stick to your guns and screw the consequences or other posters feelings.

    Want to stress though, I am not taking this too personally, as I don’t with most of what goes on with the blog – some advice I would recommend to all users.

    I do appreciate you chatting about this though, something many others don’t seem to want to do. All that’s said is, you’re bullies and we can’t post anymore. Hardly finding a way forward.

  • 220 brobrotwins // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    tequila it is thick as fu** to call one company who hurts hundrends but helps millions i was merely stating that virgin is not squeeky clean as if you are a buisness man and i mean IF (you still not telling me the name of your company ?) i find this stupidty yes i agree i did need a wonga and i lost me job after i got it then set up to pay back so how you find this a little chuckle is beyond me but what ever floats your boat

  • 221 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    Matty

    How was I inciting an argument. I don’t need you to refer to me by name as I was with Ibiza in the OV craze and when someone refers to Ibiza and says “you guys were bullies” that refers to me as well.

    I am actually not engaging with you in the context of the original point anymore as I just want to say that there is no need to insult me as I did not do the same to you, I was simply disagreeing with something you said, was I being unreasonable?

    And what is it exactly that makes fake Ruddy a more engaging blogger out of interest?

  • 222 MacToon // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    Oh and lets see some of the money on the pitch fgs.

  • 223 bambams // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    The Daily Mail is reporting three year deal worth £ 24 million. Can’t recall how much Virgin were paying.

  • 224 Rotonda heights // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    AMERICAN GEORDIE

    Tbh I think most people would swallow just about anyone as long as they were putting in a decent amount. For what they are getting, it seems we are beng paid very little which is strange to say the least as no doubt Ashley is a superb businessman in the nomal scheme of things.

  • 225 solano // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    Mactoon…when did you become an expert on the funeral? Were you one of the the ugly baldy ones?
    At least they did something…and in light of what I said earlier…so did others in keeping the issue alive (pun intended) ;-)

  • 226 mattyNUFC // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    funnily enough, Ibiza, Ruddy

    perhaps i was too quick to throw you in there with that splinter-bully-crew, Ibiza

    Ruddy, on the other hand, did exactly what he intended. flip-flopping is ok. i do it quite often and am glad not to always be stuck with my convictions with regards to NUFC. I appreciate the discourse on here as a lot of people will point out things i hadn’t thought of or comprehended. Ruddy, you are just the worst of the worst though. Sorry, pal

    can i get a fake ruddy please?? he offers more to any discussion than you have in your entire time here

  • 227 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    brobro stating I have my own business is not gloating just pointing out its not really in keeping with your mind view of me as a chav. I have clearly rattled your cage and I can only say good, if you cant take it dont dish it out.

  • 228 Tsunki // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    Rotonda said –

    it’s just some of these people who get loans with people like Wonga and other loan sharks aren’t the brightest and are easily taken advantage of and it makes their situation far worse

    ..as I said, targeted…

  • 229 dave 1961 // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    well I’m doing off a disc has popped oot in me back and i now have a pain in the A**e and need to lie down before i become to argumentative, why cant we have a week go by without Llambias stirring the crap.

  • 230 MacToon // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    lol, solano…. no not one of the ugly bald ones as my wig was fresh from the cleaners ;-)

  • 231 bambams // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    Nufc786
    cheers fella, I eventually found it !

  • 232 catchy in norway // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:42 PM

    To be honest I’m not really bothered about who sponsers the shirt , I think the question should be will the team benifit from the cash from the deal, or does it disappear into that abyss with the rest of the money over the last few years,

    If the money goes into getting the defenders that’s needed then its good business ,

  • 233 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:42 PM

    Ruddy
    No mate your like kitkat orange it says limited edition but you’ll be back and soon ;)

    Matty
    Ibiza may well not be as aggresive as most but it doesnt mean he doesn’t have an opinion anymore and wheres the harm in finding middle ground? There are pros and cons in every debate
    Also fail to see how an opinionless fence sitter can be a bully!! ;)

  • 234 mattyNUFC // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:42 PM

    to answer ruddy, about fake ruddy

    1) he pissed you off enough to where the tantrums you threw were enough to send you in meltdown and keep you off the blog for various sojourns

    2) regardless of stealing your name, which is pretty funny that so many were up in arms about it and the fallout was you rescinding any further input because your good name had been slandered or something or other, fake ruddy’s sole purpose is not to incite division. he does contribute from time to time, no matter how pessimistic

    good?

    im out…

  • 235 Carryingcoals // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    mattyNUFC

    I see what your saying and you point is probably true that people will have in mind the views of others. However, I still think people will speak their mind and stand up for themselves whatever the current majority opinion.

    I generally find there are 3/4 posters I usually agree with but I wouldn’t say there is anybody I always unanimously agree with.

    The beauty of the blog – aside from the debates – is the learning involved. It’s useful. As in when you hear about things ie the u21s or reserves, players up and coming like Inman for example. Something I know very very little about.

    I still retain my belief that I held before ever commenting on this blog. It’s actually something I (almost) had a conversation with kets about yesterday.

    I believe we should have signed more players in the summer and I still believe we should have spent the extra couple/few million on Debuchy. It frustrates me how strict the club are. I respect that and understand why and a lot of people on here will 100% back the club. I however felt we could have pushed on this season and whenever I’ve voiced that a lot have shot me down for not having the trust in the regime/pardew/ashley and the way we handle things. I love the direction the club is headed but I still hold my views and haven’t changed that.

    As a poster who I always take the time to read, you shouldn’t be discouraged from putting forward your posts.

    I’ve read this for years but since commenting I’ve been agreed with, praised, disagreed with and slated. It’ll probably continue and I won’t stop commenting.

    In fact I’m eager for Jail for Ashley to comment so I can see what he thinks about today’s news, despite me normally not agreeing with him, he’s a poster I value for the success of this blog nonetheless.

  • 236 catchy in norway // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    227tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    You could be a drug dealer, there nearly all chavs and say its there own business

    Lmao

    Just saying

  • 237 Rotonda heights // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    bambams some saying 4 years.

    Obviously better 8M than 6M per year.

    Apparently virgin were only paying 3m a year

  • 238 Tsunki // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    Are we seriously digging up the ov/pessimists thing again. I thought we’d all grown up and realised it was a joke about people not being able to disagree in a civil fashion on a public forum. No?

    Oh well, fire away then.

  • 239 gonufc (up and Hatem) // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    Guess we still need to see whether this sponsorship money will actually be spent yet or not.

  • 240 Carryingcoals // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    tads @233

    Yep, that’s what I think too

  • 241 mattyNUFC // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    TADS

    this was before he was part of the UN convoy :D

  • 242 Super Magpie // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    Although I’m pleased that we have regained our rightful name, I will not be buying any of the shirts while they are our sponsor.

    Anyway, We can’t afford to start slowly against the mackems.
    This is a game I will not take a defeat in. I think once again we should start with a 4-3-3. And with Krul,Simmo,Colo and Saylor coming back we look a lot stronger defensively.

    They themselves have been very poor on the few occasions I’ve watched them this season. They have looked very weak going forward, and struggle to keep the ball. If we are up for it and use the right tactics. We will win, with ease too. I still expect them to give us a game, especially after being beaten at home and having a win at our place being snatched away in the dying seconds. Thanks to Shola ofc. :D

  • 243 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    Matty

    I don’t understand what it is exactly that I have done to offend you and for that reason alone I am not going to apologise for it, if you wanted to take the time to explain what it is that I have done to evoke such a strong response from you, or why I deserve to de lumped with the bully crew (I am inferring that from your comment to Ibiza) but if you do I will happily actually discuss things with you without the need for pointless insults.

    May be a waste of time as I am only here for the evening but I am keen to shake off this bully boy tag that I have gained but that may not be possible, makes no real difference I suppose I just find it strange considering how I have never bullied anyone

  • 244 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    Could be but Catchy, would probably be easier but no i`m not.

  • 245 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    Tsunki
    Good post lad i dont understand how were not allowed to be pro ashley but harbour reservations about this deal?

  • 246 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    Matty

    Retract what I just said, I have no interest in engaging with you.

  • 247 mattyNUFC // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    carrying coals, TADS, ibiza

    all points taken. until next time!

    Ruddy,

    do one

    :D

  • 248 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    Catchy
    Ohhhh gutierez.com is the official sponsor of our european kit……

  • 249 Lynxie // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:49 PM

    tequila:
    Calling the ethics of a company like wonga, then taking (seemingly anyway) pleasure in the misfortune of someone who through no fault of his own unfortunately got caught up by using one, is absolutely staggering hypocracy mate. Staggering.

  • 250 solano // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:49 PM

    catch@232…a salient point….cynics (who? me?) may already be suspicious in the first paragraph of the announcement when the “Academy/Youth Development” point – though necessary and relevent – is being pushed first and foremost.
    I remember pipes,boreholes and all suchlike accounting for the AC windfall… ;-)

  • 251 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    Ah feck it lads, seems there are some here who have absolutely no interest in hearing anything that I have to say, reaffirms exactly why I decided to piss off in the first place.

    Matty, I’ll actually take your advice, I have never spoken to you before and don’t think we’ve ever argued or agreed on anything so your anger towards me is surprising but suppose that can’t be helped.

    Right lads, until next time.

  • 252 Lynxie // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:51 PM

    Supermagpie:
    Firstly, I have returned from cleaning my boxers thanks to your hilarious link LOL, #absolutelycackedmeself
    Secondly, if we ‘can’t afford’ to start slowly against the mackems, I wonder if a high interest loan of some description may be in order? LOL
    I’ll get me coat….

  • 253 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:51 PM

    Ah f**k it lads, seems there are some here who have absolutely no interest in hearing anything that I have to say, reaffirms exactly why I decided to leave in the first place.

    Matty, I’ll actually take your advice, I have never spoken to you before and don’t think we’ve ever argued or agreed on anything so your anger towards me is surprising but suppose that can’t be helped.

    Right lads, until next time.

  • 254 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:52 PM

    Matty…..I’m going to be accused of jumping to the aid of my clique here, but I couldn’t disagree with you more on your review of Ruddy. You may not agree with his views, but to say he just comes on to divide is nonsense. He has his beliefs, as do you, and he is entitled to debate them. Yes, he can be aggressive at times in his approach, but weren’t you looking for strong opinions (look back to your posts to me today regarding fence sitting). He thinks things are going well and the players that pull on a toon top deserve more credit than a fair few give them, where is the issue.

    As for fake Ruddy, as Beardo etc, he did from time to time contribute. The fake Ruddy thing was and still is (even after the real Ruddy exile he continued – oh yeah, great input) pathetic imo.

    We need differing opinions on here, or we may as well talk to ourselves. Some say the OV crowd took it too far, as far as I remember, OV started as the majority couldn’t stop b*tch*ng and taking it too far.

    Isn’t it time to just move on, draw a line and get back to business??? Discussing Newcastle and trying to have a little respect for all posters? Oh christ – am I trying to mediate….again. Someone tell me I’m right….quickly!!!! :)

  • 255 brobrotwins // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:53 PM

    tequila mag you keep saying you have your own buisness but still you dont say what it is i just cannot see why you wouldnt share ? and also you did rattle me cage alot because all is good and well disagreeing on a blog but to take gloat out of my familys misfortune is low for any man i dont know of any one who would enjoy such a thing !

  • 256 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    MACTOON SEEN THE BUGGA CARRYING IT. 100 PER CENT!

  • 257 Super Magpie // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:55 PM

    Lynxie

    Had the same reaction when someone sent me it. Had my volume on 100% too. Was a scary moment. :D

  • 258 brobrotwins // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    also tequila mag if you feel so strongly and your wedge is so big why dont you jump in and sponsor the toon i mean a succesful buisness man like yourself no problem right ?

  • 259 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    Point taken Lynxie but brobro was getting on my tits. To say that because somebody could disagree with the Wonga deal they must be thick as fu** in my opinion was a really stupid comment. Been a long day and CBA trying to have a reasonable discussion with someone like that.

  • 260 solano // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    beef…was he not the vicar? I actually thought it was quite well done..had none of the vitriol of some protests and actually was quite amusing and got point across. I hope they have a resurrection service! :-)

  • 261 Lynxie // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    Supermagpie:
    I have taken steps to ensure that I am well prepared for any repeat. I have replaced my normal seating position with a mitigation device. Mind you that bog took some dragging up the stairs into the office, and I am getting some strange looks as I type naked……..

  • 262 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 5:59 PM

    Dave1961, how is lambiase stirring the crap, its good news all round for me who looses? hope your back is killing you all night you miserable git ha ha!!!!

  • 263 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    brobro I said I had my own business at no point did I make out I was making millions or was a big business. Was merely pointing out that your assumptions on me as a chav and thick as fu** were wrong. If it helps, I am happy that you are no longer in the sh*t financially.
    BTW how much did they screw you for before they froze the interest?

  • 264 obatoyou // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:02 PM

    gonufc (up and Hatem) // Oct 9, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    @ogm – so if it was Ku Klux Klan@ St James park that would be fine if they bought us a CB?

    looooll good one there dude

  • 265 Super Magpie // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:07 PM

    Lynxie

    I’m sure you’ll be fine. :D

  • 266 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:08 PM

    brobro wtf would I want to share on this blog what my business is ?

  • 267 brobrotwins // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:10 PM

    tequila i think you need to read what i posted again at no i said people asking for virgin saying there great and all this then slating wonga is thick as fu** probz a tad strong agreed but that gives you the right to take satisfaction from my past troubles and for the record if you read im only 24 with 2 kids my own home you know many men in same situation with loadsa money did not think so life does not always throw good cards but it must have to you good on you ( for the record though i dont see how you took such offense from me sai=ying thick as fu** to no individual persons i said it in general i personaly think you tried to become a blog bully and in the process made your quite stupid )

  • 268 obatoyou // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:10 PM

    all major banks rip people off dude
    nothin new here

  • 269 brobrotwins // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:13 PM

    why not free advertisment lets drop the act there is no buisness and dont say why would you care if i believe you or not because its obvious you care what i think otherwise why would you bring it up i think you have shown your self to be a silly little man goodbye little man

  • 270 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    Well brobro you threw the comment out generally but as I had been arguing the Wonga deal was morally wrong then I could only assume I was included in that. If your going to throw insults around and call me a Chav you can`t be surprised if you get some comeback. If you think I was over the top just be glad you never played me at online poker. Believe me it can get a whole lot worse.

  • 271 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:17 PM

    Solano the trouble with this Steve Wraith character is he likes to be contoversial, loves the attention, SJP has arizen from the ashes.

    He will come on now saying wonga is morally wrong, this bouncer who helped reasearch the very moral kray twins story, hes just a self publicity machine, for me a joke it may have been, backfired on him and the others though.

  • 272 brobrotwins // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    tequila mag believe me if you think for one minute i felt in anyway intimidated your wrong and if someone took such liberty and satisfaction from my family in person would not be such a pretty site but i have read this blog for years so i know exactly how it goes wee men sat behind big screens making bit gestures but in no matter how big they are they shall still be a wee little man i guess what im trying to say is stick to the blog and poker because when it comes to real life and you try mock a man over his family ( im guessing you have no family because if you did there is no way you would of acted like such a wan*a ) you would deffintly be knowcked down a peg or 2

  • 273 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    Solano, yes he was the vicar so 99.9 per cent should never say 100 per cent to be fair in anything.

    Glad you are not spittin 100 per cent vitriol about the deal at the toon. good effort for you that im impressed.

  • 274 tequilamag // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    brobro yawn

  • 275 solano // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    Beef…You don’t like many people today, Beef, do you? Apart from the obvious ones, like ;-)
    I don’t know SW personally, but I believe he was hired for the job as vicar. I did recognise an old pal in the cortege though…and spoke to him about it at a later date. He said it highlighted the original stupid decision to namechange and got the coverage it aimed for without bad spelling and bedsheets!
    Job done, I’d say.

  • 276 dmac // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:30 PM

    I would never ever criticise the work that Ed puts into this blog, however i have absolutely no idea what im meant to be voting for in this poll. It says agree/disagree and then offers yes/no options.

    Im all for it in fairness, more money and st james park back excellent. You have to be an idiot to take a loan out with Wonga and quite frankly if that is you, then you are beyond help.

  • 277 solano // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:34 PM

    Beef @272….thanks for the backhanded compliment…I take it you agree 99% with my post @181 ? ;-)

  • 278 beefman13 // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:36 PM

    Solano, What he did drew a few smiles no doubt but he was stoking the fire again he has done it all along MA`S tenure, a few weeks ago he was on twitter saying he had heard from a good source that theere was big trouble behind the scenes with certain players even though he would not name them.

    He got a big following on the thread what he wanted then proceeded to tell everyone at the end about his boxing promotion that was coming up and who wanted tickets!

    very devious on his behalf he drew them in and got their attention then did the sell.

    No more mention the next day about unrest behind the scenes. i thought it was awful to use that situation for his own mean, i was spitting nails i can tell you.

  • 279 Super Magpie // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:36 PM

    Dmac

    Quite simple tbh.
    Do You Approve Or Disapprove of The Overall Wonga Deal?

    Yes (63%, 452 Votes) AS IN YES, I APPROVE
    No (24%, 171 Votes) AS IN NO, I DISAPPROVE
    Not Sure (13%, 99 Votes) NO EXPLANATION NEEDED

  • 280 solano // Oct 9, 2012 at 6:41 PM

    Beef @ 277…the official club twitter feed entering into a 140 character argument with him , hardly covered them in glory either!
    Besides at least half the story was a rehash of what the late, great JimmyMagpie wrote…and I tended to think there may have been some truth in it…for instance, if I’d been Pards, I also would not have been happy with the progress on summer recruitment..

  • 281 89Norcal // Oct 9, 2012 at 8:16 PM

    Wonga seems to be the equivalent of Money Mutual or the hundreds of payday loan scammers in the US. while I don’t agree with that business, if they are stretching themselves financially for our benefit its OK with me.

    I can’t imagine such a pitiful company could gain much business from a shirt sponsorship deal anyway.

  • 282 HullMag6 // Oct 9, 2012 at 8:41 PM

    Hope I’m going to come across level headed with this.

    Whilst I’m not overjoyed at our club association with Wonga it is a sound business move that brings in £8-10mil per annum for 4 years, its not to be sniffed at.

    Wonga is amongst the current crop if social evils but like so many other things its down to individuals choices. In the past using the current logic against the wonga deal our club promoted alcoholism in the 80-90’s mcewans, federation brewery another unsavoury social problem.

    All we need to worry about is the money – investment in strength and depth or the depth of mikes pocket.

    Better squad = happy days

    Thats what I’m hoping for, its easy to pick and choose your morals according to your own agenda. Leave it to the suits, worry about what happens on the pitch that’s the important bit isnt it?

  • 283 PortsladeToon // Oct 9, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    what really pee’s me off is that someone made that poor mock up of a shirt now we all know Puma is just going to take that as a pattern and copy it

  • 284 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 9, 2012 at 10:06 PM

    Wonga, like any other pay day lender, egregiously charge annual percentage interest rates of many 100’s of percent to desperate people. They are a terrible way to go, should be avoided at all costs as there are always other options No amount of money or grass roots support will alter that. That’s what we have on our shirts and that’s what we have to accept, if we want to continue to support our adored club. No matter how you rationalise it, it’s not a good thing.

  • 285 MapleLeafToon // Oct 10, 2012 at 2:10 AM

    I am fine with Wonga being our shirt sponsor, and returning the stadium naming back too St.James Park!
    I won’t lose any sleep over thsi at all…..




previous post: It’s St. James’ Park Again – FA Object To Sponsor Deal

next post: Wonga To Invest In Community And Newcastle Youth Academy