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LLambias Delighted With Wonga Deal – We Did Our Research

11:14 am, Wednesday, October 10th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 78 Comments

Derek LLambias was forced to defend his decision to sign a sponsorship deal with Wonga, the pay-day loan company, and Derek says the club did background research into the company, and found nothing wrong with the way they do business.

Alan Pardew and Derek LLambias at news conference yesterday

The deal has the Newcastle City Cuncil members seemingly up in arms, that Newcastle United have become associated with a company that hardly has a good name in the UK.

This is how Derek LLambias defended Newcastle’s decision:

“We have done our background research into Wonga. They are a legal company, they have licences.” “They have 30,000 customers in the region. Their complaints are next to zero. There are banks and institutions with far worse feedback than Wonga. There are enough people saying Wonga is a terrible brand, but why?”

“People buy into Wonga because they buy into it. You are not forced to sign a deal with Wonga, you are not forced to sign a deal with any bank or lender. People in the North East or anywhere, have a mind to themselves to decide whether they want to sign a deal or not. I am delighted to have this club associated with this brand.”

One reason it’s thought that sponsoring Newcastle would be a good deal for Wonga, is that they are expanding into South Africa, where Newcastle have a very good following, as you saw in the summer, when there were rumors Newcastle would play some of their pres-season games there.

What are the chances that Newcastle will tour South Africa next summer?

It would be great for the many fans in South Africa, who were bitterly disappointed that Newcastle chose not to play there last summer.

Finally, we are running a poll to try to gauge what fans think of the overall deal – please vote if you haven’t already done so.

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Tags: Financials · Newcastle News · Sponsors · Strips




78 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Toon_Army // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:16 AM

    First thing he has said that I probably believe…

  • 2 estechco // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    Repost:

    I’m deliberately keeping out of the morality arguments regarding the Wonga deal. My own gripes would probably be deemed insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but I was interested to find the following article when Hearts went through the same process…

    http://www.ianfraser.org/hearts%E2%80%99-loan-sponsor-wonga-com-branded-immoral-by-kirk-leader/

    Notice the Wonga logo in Heart’s colours? Wonder whether we might avoid the ugly blue across our own?

  • 3 PaddyToon // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:23 AM

    Agreed…NUFC must come tour SA… was horrible when they cancelled! howay te lads

  • 4 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    The Wonga deal is maybe not as appalling as the renaming of the ground, but it’s the same ballpark and also, just quietly, I wouldn’t trust Derek Llambias to sit the right way on a toilet.

  • 5 Peter Beardsley // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    @totsy
    “the high interest rates only cover the company’s losses”!
    Wonga made a net profit of £45.8m last year. It seems that the high interest rate also went into covering more than the company’s losses!

  • 6 Markaccus // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    @peter, sureley a company is entitled to make a profit, on top of covering it’s losses? Otherwise what’s the point of having a business? If I had a business that only broke even every year I’d be pretty iritated!

  • 7 Graeme // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    I’ll be happy in my “Broon Ale” shirt, as usual.

  • 8 tarie4 // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    Peter Beardsley //

    Are fair enough. If thats what U believe then fine. I am definitely buying a top next season, as i have been doing so since 2004, and I believe I neither approve or disprove wonga, but am supporting my beloved nufc. As del boy said and I agree

    ““People buy into Wonga because they buy into it. You are not forced to sign a deal with Wonga, you are not forced to sign a deal with any bank or lender. People in the North East or anywhere, have a mind to themselves to decide whether they want to sign a deal or not.”

  • 9 Shane // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    Newcastle’s Muslim stars told not to play in new kit…

    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/newcastles-muslim-stars-told-play-new-kit-070006117.html

  • 10 Peter Beardsley // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:48 AM

    “There are enough people saying Wonga is a terrible brand, but why?” Spoken by a man who clearly doesn’t live with the stress of having to make ends meet! People are desperate to feed their families and pay rent because of the economic climate(look up bankruptcy rates in the north-east for example) they can suffer from symptoms such as: chronic stress, psychosocial pressure, fatigue and depression. “People in the North East or anywhere, have a mind to themselves to decide whether they want to sign a deal or not” it’s a shame LLambias overlooks the medical implication which can be exploited by company’s like Wonga.

  • 11 toon1707 // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    I wish people would stop moaning wonga are putting money into the club and into the youth set up so I am more than happy with the deal. If people want to use wonga its there own choice but what I don’t understand is they offer the same service as northern rock and virgin money but nobody minded that at all

  • 12 Deadpool // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    The problem is that the reported £10 million per year is a small sum for a large club and over 4 years it will guarantee that Ashley will keep the spending to a minimum.

    The financial fair play rules will do nought but widen the margin between clubs.

    If we only make a revenue of £20 million per anum that is all we can spend. Clubs like Citeh and Man Utd will turn over huge profits and so can spend more. It will monopolise every major European leauge to every big club.

    This deal, regardless of the company, is truly awful and doesn’t benefit anyone other than Wonga and the nufc board.

    As long as we avoid relegation and bring through youngsters that we can sell on for massive profits the owner will be happy and we as fans can look forward to 8 years of poor football, big names being sold and mid table obscurity.

  • 13 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:51 AM

    Peter beardsley, piss of with your false morals, you frigan hypocrite!

  • 14 Peter Beardsley // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    @Markaccus

    It’s where the profit comes from which I have a problem with.

  • 15 Peter Beardsley // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    @beefman13

    Thanks for your abusive language!
    What part of my argument do you disagree with and why?

  • 16 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    The profit comes from the interest on top of the loan that the people have been grateful for, who the hell are you to come on this blog preching morals to people, same for you deadpool as well. makes me puke.

  • 17 Mister Tuff // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:58 AM

    If people turn a blind eye to Wongas’ dubious methods they are in my opinion complicit in those methods. If people believe the reported hogwash that Wonga wanted to revert the name of the ground back to SJP as part of the deal, then I am the tooth fairy, wake up you fools. Anybody but a blind man can see it was a device to lessen the opposition to the deal with Wonga.
    There is masses of evidence from people who contacted Wonga about a loan who were either refused or decided not to proceed who suddenly had monies withdrawn from their bank accounts by other loan companies and have never seen it since. The common denominator is contact with Wonga who are clearly passing/selling personal details to these other companies.
    Any reported shenanigans by Wonga in the future, rightly or wrongly is, now going to be linked by the press to Newcastle United –thus sullying the name and the North East but as Pardew thinks it’s OK and a lot of fans, who have “sold out” because of the wonga from Wonga think it’s OK– well it must be OK.
    Wake up fools.

  • 18 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    Who are you, are you from human rights! have you a bank account have you a credit card is your life perfect,

    beacuse a lot of folk find themselves in bad financial situations and wonga etc are the only way they can get some money, pay back on time no problem which the large majority do.
    people preaching about the morality of our deal from on top of the mountain. and i would say you dont like MA or DL anyway, correct!!! lemon suckers! u r.

  • 19 Peter Beardsley // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    @beefman13

    “the people have been grateful for”
    Are you sure that all the people are grateful for the loans? last year 32% could not pay off the loans. People who suffer from medical conditions(such that I have listed above) are not screened by Wonga, nor do Wonga provide help for such people, on the contrary, they profit off of peoples poor circumstances and their whole business model is bassed on this fact.

  • 20 rainrix // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    You know i bet if this was a lesser team being getting a sponsorship deal there wouldn’t be any articles by journalists about how being sponsored by wonga is “immoral”. Swings and smegging roundabouts 😐

  • 21 Peter Beardsley // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    @beefman13
    Re post:

    If they really cared about the people they make loans to, then perhaps they would charge a maximum APR of say 21.63%APR which is the law in France, or 16.4% in Germany, NOT 4,214%!!!

    The quest for ever increasing profit is blind to the reality of the suffering it can impose on people. This is why we have
    government regulation to keep the free market in check. Pay-day loans are currently unregulated.

  • 22 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    Every big corporation who ever they are trying to make as much profit as possible which ever way they can they are all ruthless buggers.

    many football clubs are sponsored by so called dubious companys and many by banks and booze, not a mention in any paper when liverpool and man utd signed big deals with corporations that took billions from people.

    The press always have a pop at us whatever we do just as the lemon suckers who support NUFC but dont like MA do, its a fact it is pure nasty bitterness.

  • 23 estechco // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    rainrix @20 – Do Hearts qualify as ‘lesser’. See my link @2?

  • 24 Kebabacus // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:09 PM

    1- if they put the Wonga logo inside a blue star with the writing really really small, it would look quite nice.

    2- money lending is the second oldest profession there is. Banks all do it and shaft their customers every chance they get. I doubt anyone would have complained about Loyds or Barclays as sponsor.

    3 – the Muslim players might require a non-branded shirt, as speculated on nufc.com. This would be perfect. I hate advertising on shirts, whoever it is. (with the exception of the Brown Ale star, still the only Newcastle shirt I ever wear).

    4 – the word Wonga is offensive to my ears. If the company were called Newcastle Finance or some such, nobody would be moaning.

    That’s the answer Wonga! Change yer frickin name!

    How about St James Finance?

  • 25 tarie4 // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    “Peter Beardsley // Oct 10, 2012 at 11:48 AM

    “There are enough people saying Wonga is a terrible brand, but why?” Spoken by a man who clearly doesn’t live with the stress of having to make ends meet! People are desperate to feed their families and pay rent because of the economic climate(look up bankruptcy rates in the north-east for example) they can suffer from symptoms such as: chronic stress, psychosocial pressure, fatigue and depression. “People in the North East or anywhere, have a mind to themselves to decide whether they want to sign a deal or not” it’s a shame LLambias overlooks the medical implication which can be exploited by company’s like Wonga”

    Unbelievable, mate u are being very unreasonable. U are looking at this deal from one point if view, try be balanced and look at it from the clubs point of view. In business u weigh ur options, look at the pros and cons. Del boy also pointed something out that u ate clearly overlooking.

    “They have 30,000 customers in the region. Their complaints are next to zero. There are banks and institutions with far worse feedback than Wonga. There are enough people saying Wonga is a terrible brand, but why?”

    Yes they medical concerns involved which U rightly state, but they are not the majority, they must be the odd cases. And U are picking up on those as if they are loads and loads of cases, really??

    you also have to knw, that just like politics, U can’t please everybody. U will always have opposition, no matter how popular U are. What is need is a majority, and as the blog states 61% of pple (on this blog) approve the deal. Because there is 25 % who don’t, does that mean the deal is bad??

    Wonga are a legal entity they are not the mafia etc. As I.said before, our society is crippling because pple are blaming other pple for their problems and their debt. The 1st person to blame is the one standing in the mirror and then someone else, not the other way round.

  • 26 rainrix // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:12 PM

    Estechco… Sorry mate didn’t read your comment. But that is a respected person giving his honest opinion. What annoys me is every
    tom dick and harry journalist jumping on the old “wonga is immoral bandwagon. Could you imagine them doing it if it was wigan getting sponsored? Somehow i doubt it.

  • 27 estechco // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    Whilst we pretty much all seem to agree that Wonga are a nasty company to be associated with, @21’s comments seem to be one of the better I’ve seen.

    If we are all so morally abhorrent of this type of business, why have we not gone out of our way to lobby MP’s to regulate this currently unregulated area of business?

    That said, if we ran them all out of town, where would the folk who do claim to need Wonga’s services go for help.

    Perhaps the government could set up their own payday loan company, with a more realistic APR and help all concerned (including the country as a whole)?

  • 28 jesperfuglsang // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    Ed, if you are out there, can we a non Wonga related thread for everyone else than those who can’t get down from their high horse…

    …or I’ll just come back later when everything is back to normal (maybe it’s the international break that is getting the best of all)

  • 29 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    Peter beardsley.

    take a loan out with wonga, pay it back on time cost about 20 quid extra for 200 quid.no problem.

    if you cant pay the full amount back their customer service department will work something out that suits both parties and that is a fact.

    if you just dont pay the loan back after the second montyh a certain percentage gets added every day up to the extreme high amount mentioned.

    the vast majority do pay back on time as its their only outlet, and the vast majority are working people as well according to their figures.
    they and others may have sprang up since the recession but they are a valuable service to a lot of folk each month.
    out, we are adults and in life we make our own decisions, not everyone can be as self rightous as some on here.

  • 30 Mister Tuff // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:15 PM

    We should not doubt that Dastardly did research into Wonga -the fact that he was wearing ear muffs and a blindfold at the time is neither here or there.

  • 31 rainrix // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:15 PM

    Well i thought this international break would be devoid of news stories and drama, thank god i was wrong :)

  • 32 Peter Beardsley // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:16 PM

    @beefman13

    It’s true it’s a nasty business, and because Liverpool and Man Utd sign such deals doesn’t mean that we have to, or that it is right.
    It’s hard not to live your life without contributing to such companies(try living without a bank account) I try and keep it to a minimum. The old saying that; “you vote with your wallet” comes to mind.

    I take gripe when a person like LLambias claims that this business is fare.

  • 33 -Tendo- // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:18 PM

    Man utd are or sponsored by AIG and weren’t they responsible for the recent financial crisis? But is anyone up in arms about that?

    At the end of the day wonga is a legalised loan shark which charges ridiculous interest….but no on us forcing people to use it, it’s their choice and they know what they’re getting into when using it

  • 34 Peter Beardsley // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    fair*

  • 35 tarie4 // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:20 PM

    Mister Tuff // Oct

    “Any reported shenanigans by Wonga in the future, rightly or wrongly is, now going to be linked by the press to Newcastle United –thus sullying the name and the North East but as Pardew thinks it’s OK and a lot of fans, who have “sold out” because of the wonga from Wonga think it’s OK– well it must be OK.
    Wake up fools.”

    Wouldn’t that be the same as when northern rock went bust?? Did U complain then??
    Is that not the same if standard chartered (Liverpool) get embroiled in corruption charges. Ethiad etc. Its the same with any sponsor mate. I think Blackpool fans will admit that they have had no problems with wonga, and I think AP mentions this.

    “If people turn a blind eye to Wongas’ dubious methods they are in my opinion complicit in those methods. If people believe the reported hogwash that Wonga wanted to revert the name of the ground back to SJP as part of the deal, then I am the tooth fairy, wake up you fools. Anybody but a blind man can see it was a device to lessen the opposition to the deal with Wonga.”

    I.am sure most toon fans knw its a PR stunt. Read yesterdays article in the name change. But what does that have to do with us. We got our name back. That’s what we wanted no?? So what’s the problem? As I pointed out to Peter Beardsley, U are looking at this from one point of view. Look at both sides of the argument before calling pple fools.
    Coz U are the one who seems the fool 😉

  • 36 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    jesper i know where you are coming from but its massive news on tynside and it may start to get boring for some but im not having bloggers on here bitching for the sake of it.

    yes its their opinion just like my opinion that i support NUFC and think everything is going great at the moment but still some dont agree.

    these lemons are worse than the press and they are supposed to support our great club and visit SJP yes SJP which was part of the nasty nasty deal.

  • 37 wolfshead@toon // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    i hate wonga cos of those cr@p adverts on channel 5

  • 38 PJ // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    What’s the big fuss, people have there own options, but wonga has a far better name on the market the northern rock did. I borrowed £120 the other day off wonga for 4 days and payed back £130, so that’s not bad I didn’t think, people need wonga just like I did to pay pills or simply like me I couldn’t quite make it to pay day, now if you get in debt and can’t afford it then you shouldn’t borrow money off wonga in the first place. Great bit off business by the club and wonga I think because everybody is talking about it

  • 39 Peter Beardsley // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    @-Tendo-

    “Man utd are or sponsored by AIG and weren’t they responsible for the recent financial crisis?”
    Yes they were and yes people should call them on it. But With AIG and Wonga it is a lack of regulation that leads to such behavior -Don’t hate the player, hate the game” Lol :)!

  • 40 pbNcl // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:24 PM

    Here beefman your a clown. Disprespecting another posters moral code and questioning such because he objectifies such a disgusting deal.

    Your name and attitude suggest you like beef, well I’m partial to a bit myself. So before you start chucking insults about jus brace yourself for a hefty slice back. Sir.

  • 41 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    Etihad, sponsor man city from a country who still surpress their own women, thats very moralistic isnt it, and man city are a figure head for their company.

    no fuss about that cos they got in hundreds of millions.

  • 42 Peter Beardsley // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    @beefman13

    I think you’ll find plenty of fuss being made about Man City and their owners! 😮

  • 43 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    pb, are those other bloggers disrespecting my views and opinions as well i think so they are always moaning their tits off, lemon suckers 99.99 per cent of the time, bit like your self.

    do you not get sick of moaning about something every day, it pulls everything down you`s are just a complete depressant.

  • 44 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:33 PM

    beardsley, i have not heard a thing in the papers about man city and not even when they done the deal. they as a sponsor surpress their own people.

  • 45 pbNcl // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    Go thru my past posts sweetheart, you’ll see I’m no moaner. Quite the opposite. However, this deal, is a disgrace

    Back to work anyhow lunch over

  • 46 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    Its bloody double standards by our fans winging on.

    we go out we mainly talk about football woman and booze, i have not ever heard anyone bring up the morality of what wonga are doin until we get sponsored by them.

    get yourselfs to preachers corner in hyde park.

  • 47 pbNcl // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    Lemon suckers! Hahaha have you heard yourself you clown. Chucking insults about with no intelligence, I’m constantly positive about NUFC. I don’t like wonga. And I don’t like your stinkin attitude

    Woof woof

  • 48 Peter Beardsley // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    @beefman13

    Year I agree with you, more should be said about the human rights implications regarding the Man City owners. It’s a shame that money talks louder to many than the reality of the situation. What was that Bob Dylan lyric, “Money doesn’t talk, it swears” or something!

  • 49 jesperfuglsang // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:39 PM

    Beefman…I guess it is a big thing in the North East; I do wonder if it was the same when Northern Rock or Newcastle Brown Ale was sponsering us? You know supporting the finansial crack and condoning alcoholism and all that.

    …for me it is just much ado about nothing really!

    Just asking for a new thread for the rest of us to have another Newcastle related discussion :-)

  • 50 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    pb, that was some slice of beef you gave back!

    damp squib. i knew it would be anyway.

  • 51 martoon // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    Whilst I agree Wonga are not the ideal sponsors then who is? If for instance a retail electrical store was our sponsor would that be OK given that most appliances are made in a sweatshop in China or India. If it was a supermarket then most of them exploit farmers in third world countries.
    People seem to pick & choose when to be moralistic – when we were sponsored by a brewery nobody suggested putting some of the money into alcoholics anonymous.

  • 52 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    in fairness jesper i was having a craic with a few others on the subject so it interested me,.

    Ed must feel this is still the major topic which of course it is, bypass my posts no problem talk about something else someone may pick up on it.

    many a time i have been on here when bloggers have been woffling on about what they want to speak about thats fair comment they are free to do that.

    i disagree strongly with the lemon suckers so if they are going to start preaching morality then they will get a genuine big slice of beef.

  • 53 nufc90 // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:50 PM

    Wonga wouldn’t have been my choice but I’m not complaining if they’re putting money into our club. If people choose to take out loans with them that’s their choice and perhaps those taking moral high ground in the papers, etc should look at the authorities who allow them to be legal. It’s just ridiculous how everyone is taking the moral high ground with us when you look at other clubs’ sponsors.

  • 54 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    Martoon,that is what is bugging me the most the morality issue.

    you summed it up fine, we are not the only ones to have a sponsor who you could take a bit of an issue with there are many
    you can bet your botton dollar 95% of the ones moaining dont like MA.

  • 55 Peter Beardsley // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    @martoon

    I agree with you completely, I think this issue has brought to light some of the problems of capitalism and what the unregulated rewarding of greed leads to…………….. Maybe this discussion is for an other place:) Football anyone? :)

  • 56 pbNcl // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    Ill fu*kin sing about morality all day long son, cos its something I believe in. And if you want a slice of beef ill give you more than that you gnat. Keyboard warrior

    Anyhoooo back to graft

  • 57 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    peter beardsley, your name sake has came out and said its a terrific deal for the club.

    now then one up front in the derby.

    would play one up front supported by benny with fergie left wing jonas left back and anita cabaye tiote in the middle hopefully saylor colo and krul are back santon at right back still; and bring shola and or demba or cisse on with 30 mins left weather we are winning or not to shake it up even more, but not 442.

  • 58 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 10, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    Question for everyone. Let’s discuss APR rates and what we consider would be reasonable for a company to offer for a second. I have seen people say “Why don’t Wonga just offer the same rate as banks, say 21% (APR)”.

    Using the Wonga method and service that they are offering:

    £400 loan for 30 days.

    £400 @ 21% = £84 p.a
    £84/365 = £0.23 p.d
    £0.23 x 30 days = £6.90

    Are people really thinking a business (or evil corporation if you wish) should be receiving what equates to 1.725% of the loan for what is considered a short term high risk loan?

    Please don’t think I am saying their rates are fair, but you cannot apply the logic of bank rates (APR) to such a service, can you?

    From what I have read (not experienced myself), there are certainly cases where the collection and help offered by Wonga has been suspect to say the least and these incidents should be looked in to, reported and dealt with, however, these occurrences do happen at most companies, doesn’t make it right, but also shouldn’t be used to just single out one company.

    If we’re talking about the service the company offers though to people, are they not within their rights to charge what they see as the right rate as long as people are aware of the cost?

    Perhaps we need to be discussing why there aren’t other alternatives out there for people between a rock and a hard place as this is not actually the service for these people and the sad thing is they have or feel they have nowhere else to turn. That for me is the social issue and question.

    Don’t want to cause offense, I can see some people are passionate about this and that is understandable, but I do feel, perhaps incorrectly, some issues are being crossed here and making a final conclusion more difficult that it should be.

  • 59 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 1:10 PM

    PB your a morality hypocrite people like you always are, thought you were going back to work any way.

    Are you a Priest by the way, we had one of them on last night. YOU REALLY SOUND LIKE ONE YOU BIG GNAT HA HA GIVE OVER!!!

  • 60 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 1:20 PM

    there is so much shit going on in the world with child killers and wars and oppresion and dictatorships.

    then we have false profits who work in the local accounts office preaching to me about there ethical morals beacuse a company has givin the club he supports 24 million quid and helped get the name back of our famous stadium.

    point is there is more thingsto worry about.

    we have been given a lot of cash to help the club and many others have had more cash from other big companys, banks, breweries etc

    the way of the world is big business.

    be grateful for it mr accountant pb, you ungrateful gnat mmmm

  • 61 tequilamag // Oct 10, 2012 at 1:22 PM

    beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    jesper i know where you are coming from but its massive news on tynside and it may start to get boring for some but im not having bloggers on here bitching for the sake of it.

    Beefman wtf thinks you have the right to tell people what they can and can`t post.

  • 62 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 10, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    Beefman…..Whilst I agree to a point, that is a bit of a simplistic way to dismiss someones concerns.

    We can’t just say, there are worse things going on around the world, so this doesn’t matter. That argument will never get you far. Although, I don’t agree with all that is being said about how bad a company Wonga are.

  • 63 beefman13 // Oct 10, 2012 at 1:33 PM

    tequilla they can post all day long but if they are doom and gloom mongers then i am going to tell them i have had it up to my neck of them for years on blog sites,

    by all means, anyone post what they like but i can spot the hypocrites a mile off.

    ibiza, fair comment about the wars and oppresion thing

    i will take that comment back

    i had abuse for years for supporting the direction the club was going in i have not and wont forget that i got some nasty stuff for supporting the current regime.

    we are doing fine and have been for years noe yet they are syill having a pop, so im not having it as imo they have nothing toi moan about,

    ibiza, start talking about your music someone will join in with you you are a popular poster, just leave the moralistic accountants and bankers to me.

    was i hurt by the stick i got over the previous three years? it was no picnic on the blog sites.

    the circle has turned so whowerer is going to lemon suck better get ready for a very large slice of the beef!

  • 64 stuart no9 // Oct 10, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    imo ash got rid of virgin, after realising they didnt want to be part of any of ashleys dodgy dealings. ash found out pretty quickly mr branson was not a crook like himself and who distanced him self from ashleys tacky empire.why else would they have got rid of them? it certanly wasnt for the money. in came wonga! totally the opposite. they sing from the same hymm sheet. the underhand deallings will be nobodys business. mr branson is well shot of him.

  • 65 tequilamag // Oct 10, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    Ok Ibiza the word has been spoken you really should stick to music, the Beefman had spoken, clearly that is the end of the argument. If anybody else has a contrary point of view to Beef, dont bother as there is only one acceptable point of view .
    I am out of here going to stock up on lemons.

  • 66 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 10, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    Beefman…Don’t think the irony is wasted on me how optimists gets labelled as aggressive bullies, yet when people criticise our ideas / beliefs about the clubs it’s people making their own opinions known – double standards has certainly crossed my mind several times.

    I just think this particular issue isn’t as straight forward and a lot of us are getting picked up on things we’re saying, which maybe we need to tone down a little. Much like with my point earlier about APR – people need to drop the “Wonga should charge the same as banks” comment – it’s ridiculous as saying that 4,000%+ is reasonable. There doesn’t seem to be ANY middle ground with some people on this, yet their is some merit in each side I feel.

    Don’t you worry about me though, I’m sure I will have some music conversations and other nonsense, but I will make my opinion known as and when on issues etc. I think I am also known to do that from time to time :)

    Just from reading the conversations, I can see that people are just targeting you, as you are somewhat setting yourself up for it – which is fair enough, but it will become exhausting and sometimes we need to change tactics a little.

    Hope you don’t mind me saying, I know I have taken “advice” on here badly in the past. I like you’re input on the blog and your passion for NUFC and do agree with you mostly – the club has progressed the past 3 years and I am proud of where we are going.

  • 67 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 10, 2012 at 1:51 PM

    Stuart…..Nice dose of speculation there mate. I’m pretty sure Branson knew what Ashley was about before he signed up as sponsor, he isn’t a fool. Nor do I think Ashley and Branson would have had many direct dealing since to change his view.

    Tequila…One shot or two? Wonga it – i’m doing the bottle. Don’t want to jump in the middle, well, I guess I must do as I constantly seem to do so. Beefman believes what he believes, as do you. This issue has clearly made the two of you clash, but both of you have and will make good contributions to the blog and both support NUFC. We will all need to take a step back and move on at some point, let’s hope in the meantime, we can debate like we know we’re all capable of doing. That isn’t me saying that you or beef are not doing so, but it’s got a little crazy the last 24 hours and I think we can forgive people for getting their backs up a bit and somethings getting lost within posts.

  • 68 stuart no9 // Oct 10, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    ibiza.@47 yes that was pure speculation. my problem with this is not about – figures , APRs, penaltys for late payments, whatever. the mystery to all thats happened in the last 48 hours, for me must be , why did they get rid of a credible company , with an owner who is without doubt one of the most popular figures in british business, a pioneer in british industry, an innovative master, for – wonga!!!!!!!!! i just dont get it,

  • 69 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 10, 2012 at 2:21 PM

    Stuart…That’s fair enough. I’m really interested to know the “actual” figures of both the Wonga and Virgin deals to be able to come to a conclusion. If Virgin were paying the reported £10m p.a, then something weird is going on it would seem. I have however, seen the figure reported to be as low as £3m p.a. If that was the case, an understandable change – at least from a business perspective.

  • 70 stuart no9 // Oct 10, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    ibiza – i agree , if its purely for financial reasons and the figure was as low as you say, in the £3m region then i applaud ash for sticking to his right to pull out at any time, and better the current deal, £3m does semm a bit low though. where could we find out the correct figures?

  • 71 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 10, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    Stuart….Been asking that all day. Have found many figures, but just don’t know which ones would be credible and those that aren’t. Do we really have to wait for the clubs accounts to come out? Can we even trust them? Oh my head hurts and I really don’t know which are right.

  • 72 stuart no9 // Oct 10, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    ibiza. – go back on the beach and have a good long think about how we can locate those figures. lol.

  • 73 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 10, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    Stuart…..The beach – what an idea :) Take it easy pal and let me know if you get anywhere, as I will you.

  • 74 southafricantoon // Oct 10, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    I don’t care who sponsers us…. I just hope the club tours South africa :)

  • 75 southafricantoon // Oct 10, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    I don’t have a problem if Wonga sponsors us….. I would love it if the team could tour South africa :)

  • 76 southafricantoon // Oct 10, 2012 at 4:01 PM

    I don’t have a problem if Wonga sponsors us. I would love it if the team could tour South africa

  • 77 matt11_25 // Oct 10, 2012 at 7:47 PM

    It’s just business

  • 78 puretoon // Oct 10, 2012 at 9:58 PM

    My other half and myself don’t agree at all with Wonga sponsoring and don’t think for one minute that MA and DL did much ground work either as they’d find out how little Wonga are putting in for both shirt AND naming rights.
    Infact Wonga, DL and MA are tard with the same crap chatty brush so are well suited, the only problem is in doing this they’ve taken a step further down the plug hole with the good name of NUFC.

    And has anybody given a thought of who the hell will be renaming the club to xxxxx next time round!?!???? we certainly WON’T be buying another strip with Wonga across the front that sure.




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