Did Muslim Players Have Problems With Virgin Money Logo?


It’s been pointed out by one of our readers Christopher Webber, that there’s not too much difference between Wonga and Virgin Money, as far as lending out money for profit – both companies do it.

Demba Ba – if he wore the Wonga logo

So why wasn’t there any problem last January when Virgin Money became the Newcastle shirt sponsors, and in fact any bank or financial institution sponsoring clubs, would presumably create some problem for Muslim players.

Let’s say up front that we don’t think the Wonga logo will cause any problems with the four Muslims in Newcastle’s first team, Ben Arfa, Demba Ba, Papiss Cisse and Cheick Tiote,  and it’s always going to be a personal choice in any case, that’s down to the players.

After all,  wearing the Wonga logo isn’t like saying that any of the four players are actually lending out money for gain, which is not allowed under Muslim law.

There is a differences between what Virgin Money does and Wonga does in the business world, with Virgin Money providing many financial services and not just loans, which is the business that Wonga is in almost exclusively.

Of course three of our four Muslim players have bigger things on their minds today, and it’s the second leg of the two match play-off between Senegal and the Ivory Coast in Dakar.

The Ivory Coast lead the first leg 4-2 and the winner of the two-legged tie qualifies for the African Cup of Nations in South Africa starting in January.

We’d be surprised if the Wonga logo causes too much trouble with our Muslim players – but we’ve been wrong before of course. 😀

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18 comments so far

  • RonVanDam

    Oct 13, 2012 at 8:44 AM

    Comment #1

    Another bullshiz created by the media to cause unrest in the squad

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  • pbNcl

    Oct 13, 2012 at 8:45 AM

    Comment #2

    Oh no. Not again. Your a reet wind up sometimes Mr ED ; D

    I think the difference between a high street bank, and a wanga wonga company is the interest rates.. Especially over longer terms. Lots of people use payday loan companies, and take a few months to pay back a single let’s say one hundred pound loan. You go from month to month jus paying interest off without touching the actual loan. A high street bank is not extortionate, a high street bank will operate on a completely different level and if you take out a loan from either it is blatantly obvious which is the better value. Wonga are pirates. All companies make profit, this is not the problem.

    I do actually believe, on the contrary to ED, that this deal may effect not just our muslim lads but some of the other players aswell. I hope not, but its a shan business to promote on our proud shirts

    BAD MIKE

    BAD DES

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  • davybtoon

    Oct 13, 2012 at 8:46 AM

    Comment #3

    Jus on the dl interview he dosent say we won’t sign anyone he says we won’t sign anyone well known players, now fans shouldn’t b worried by this, why bcoz when we signed tiote he weren’t well known but soon made himself that

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  • davybtoon

    Oct 13, 2012 at 8:51 AM

    Comment #4

    Pbncl – If ppl actually did there research they would find wonga loans interest only comes out at around 20% apr the problem is if u don’t pay it back time the apr rises into the thousands which they don’t hide, also there a short term loan company they have to have high interest to make profit

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  • davybtoon

    Oct 13, 2012 at 8:55 AM

    Comment #5

    Pbncl – also there is no difference between a bank n wonga in the fact that if u don’t repay they will both send debt collectors to your door

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  • pbNcl

    Oct 13, 2012 at 8:56 AM

    Comment #6

    I’d rather be sponsored by happy shopper

    Which is euro shopper now so at least its international hahahaha

    Well I’m gonna go and get ready before beefy turns up and gives me both barrels for disrespecting sir Des. Only jokin btw beefs your areet

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  • pbNcl

    Oct 13, 2012 at 8:57 AM

    Comment #7

    See you later Davy

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  • RonVanDam

    Oct 13, 2012 at 9:05 AM

    Comment #8

    Why are people complaining about Wongas interest? If you need to borrow money when you REALLY REALLY NEED something urgently you normally go to a Bank, Finance company or whoever – you are given a breakdown on the amount you want to borrow i.e repayment amount, balance payable…. Everything is detailed in your contract along with the interest rate. If you dont agree with it – dont sign it. Once you sign the contract, it tells them you understand and agree with the terms and conditions of the loan. Its not the lenders fault that you cant make your repayments after 3 months. When you miss your payments, you are in breach of your contract and will get penalised and attract fees so why is it Wongas fault that they charge high interest rates when there are so many other places you could go to take a loan?

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  • ArtyH

    Oct 13, 2012 at 9:28 AM

    Comment #9

    There is no difference between the two, they both lend money. Its like a crime, if you steal a penny chew ( if you can still get them? ) or you steal a car, its still a theft, and you are still a criminal. S it does not matter if you lend money at 5% or 5000% its still lending money. BTW has anyone heard any of our player say anything about this situation?
    Load of shite created by nobo journo’s just like most things NUFC.

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  • Brewcastle

    Oct 13, 2012 at 9:44 AM

    Comment #10

    “72 Virgins”

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Oct 13, 2012 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #11

    Media Bull-shit!

    Surprise me if the likes Hatem, Ba or Tiote really care which Logo thet have on their shirts!

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  • sks_toon

    Oct 13, 2012 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #12

    As a Muslim living in Saudi Arabia, I think this is complete nonsense and you will see all the players wearing the jersey. They are wearing virgin money logo which is pretty much the same thing. I do see a difference if the shirt sponsor is for Budweiser or Johnny Walker or a betting website, but it isnt so I think this whole thing is just being blown out of proportion.

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  • jawballsaswallwell

    Oct 13, 2012 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #13

    Virgin Money and Wonga, are not the same, not even in the same ball park. Pay day lenders like Wonga do charge extortionate interest rates, prosper in times of recession and depression and a significant number of their clients will experience greater financial difficulty as a result of their Wonga loans. They offer a quick fix to people who they know may struggle to pay the interest and principal in a timely manner.

    Virgin are a significantly more responsible lender, although likely not squeaky clean in ethical terms having operated in the UK’s exposed dodgy banking sector, but to say they are one and the same because they are both money lenders seems just a refusal to even want to think about the issue.

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  • AS MAGS

    Oct 13, 2012 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #14

    Sks toon thanks for shedding a bit light on subject.you here about AIG that brought America to it’s knees, standard charter who fund arms, bwin and not a dicky bird said. This wonga thing had bordered on the ridiculous.

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  • jawballsaswallwell

    Oct 13, 2012 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #15

    It is appropriate to discuss the ethics of the Wonga deal, just as the ethics of endorsing AIG, Standard Charter should be discussed. That they weren’t is hardly a good reason to suggest that the rights and wrongs of NUFC endorsing a pay day lender is a ridiculous discussion to have.

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  • NEWEXPATMAGPIE

    Oct 13, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    Comment #16

    I totally dis-agree with all the Fuss being thrown up about this Deal !

    You can,t have one rule for the Rest and an Ethical debate when an similar arrangement is made for us!

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  • jawballsaswallwell

    Oct 13, 2012 at 6:48 PM

    Comment #17

    The debate is amongst us.

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  • jawballsaswallwell

    Oct 13, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    Comment #18

    Who we choose to endorse is a reflection of our club and is essentially a question for us to decide, just as who Man U choose to endorse, for example, is a reflection of their club and is essentially a question for them, not us. Barcelona chose to endorse Unicef for a time then chose to endorse a Qatati group, I imagine for financial reasons. We all have to swim in the same water but the independent choices clubs make are in part ethical ones and reflect on each club individually. It’s a bit of a grubby old world but that doesn’t necessarily justify our choices and some among us believe the club is being tarnished
    by this deal as was also the case with the decision to change the name of the ground to Sports Direct Arena. Personally, I think the decision is entirely a financial one, and money is important, but it shouldn’t be the only concern in business of course and certainly not at my football club as far as I’m concerned.

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