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Newcastle Youngster Doing Well Out On Loan

3:51 pm, Sunday, October 14th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 155 Comments

Paul Dummett turned 21 last month and is currently out on loan at Scottish Premier Side St. Mirren, who also happen to play in black and white stripes, and Paul seems to do be doing very well for the Scottish club, from all reports.

Paul Dummett – doing well at St. Mirren

Newcastle-born Paul joined St. Mirren on the last day of the transfer window in August, and is on loan there until next January, and he has so far started 5 times for the side, who are now 7th top of the league with 12 points from their nine league games.

And former Newcastle coach Tommy Craig, who also played for Newcastle from 1974 through 1977, is now part of the staff at St. Mirren – a club that was founded way back in 1877 and is located in Paisley, Renfrewshire, just west of Glasgow.

Tommy Craig says Dummett is doing very well in Scotland:

“Dummy’s making steady progress and we’re delighted. This is a great experience for him.”

Hopefully, Paul will follow the path of James Tavernier over the last 18 months, when the former Leeds United youngster played over 50 times out on loan, and his game has come on big time, and he is now fighting for a first team place on Tyneside.

Dummett, who is a Welsh U21 International, had a spell at Gateshead where he played 10 times for the Tyneside club, located south of the River Tyne, and Paul may even stay the full season on loan  north of the border.

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155 responses so far ↓

  • 1 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 4:01 PM

    football’s a harsh, harsh world. i think we can all realize we’ll never see the day he’ll be playing in the first team. we need to stop clutching at straws and buy some real first team defensive reinforcements

  • 2 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    i hardly think he is ‘fighting for a first team spot’ Ed.

  • 3 Conaldo (The Wizard) // Oct 14, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    Matty – ed is talking about tav – who is very close to a first team spot now, next season if he plays well in Europa he should be in with a shout

  • 4 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

    haha, davyb never ceases to amaze me (last thread)

    if you are so in tune with markets and finances, why don’t you start a financials service?

    i’d love to know what it is you do you heartless tw@t

  • 5 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 4:09 PM


    thanks. misread on my part

  • 6 Gerrard#1 // Oct 14, 2012 at 4:12 PM

  • 7 bollance // Oct 14, 2012 at 4:18 PM


    Sorry to be confrontational but we should all lay off davey. If you have read his posts over time you will realise he is a good lad.

    He does seem to have a bee in his bonet, though. I can only guess because everyone is ganging up on the poor guy.

    He does not post too often nowadays.

    Tav – needs to be more consistent to be in the 1st team. Loan to the championship after Xmas will do him a lot of good.

  • 8 beefman13 // Oct 14, 2012 at 4:22 PM

    bollance thats what bullys do, gang up on people are you getting the drift yet son.

  • 9 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 4:33 PM


    i’ve seen davy’s post for the past year or two now. he honestly believes the majority of us to be stupid if our opinions aren’t explicitly aligned with his

  • 10 obatoyou // Oct 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM

    Ques? Of course tavernier is fighting for a first team place, don’t know where u been Matty dude, ferguson is looking the part too. Goddamn!!! iPhone autocorrect is ridiculous!!!

  • 11 beefman13 // Oct 14, 2012 at 4:38 PM

    To come on to this blog and listen to the breathtaking arrogance of most about how this club should be run and how we are doomed beacuse we dont do it there way is beyond the pale for me.

    They virtually got nothing right over the last three seasons and still yous are sitting on your high horse.


  • 12 obatoyou // Oct 14, 2012 at 4:38 PM

    Oh sorry didn’t realise u misread, my deepest apologies Matty, nevertheless ed was just making a comParison and showing that if u do well on loan, u may get ur chance. Whether or not we’ll spend in jan or in any window is anyone’s guess, we need these youngsters 🙂

  • 13 beefman13 // Oct 14, 2012 at 4:42 PM

    matyy, it is the other way around, what were all the neggers saying to people who supported the way the current regime were running the club 4 years ago

    it was yous who were instrumental in the keyboard abuse, things have turned full circle and posters like me bills dannyo and davyb are just letting you know that your opinions and the rest of the neggers dont work for us.

  • 14 WWYCD // Oct 14, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    Haha I have no idea what ur on with that little rampage but fair one lad I will happily go back to being labelled ‘negger’. ‘mackem’ blah blah blah

  • 15 Quasi.modo // Oct 14, 2012 at 4:55 PM

    Just to pick up on something that Munster said in an earlier thread, if you question MA and DL it does not necessarily make you “anti-Ashley” nor does it automatically make you “pro-sensible” either. Just in the same way that if you prefer to be positive about things that doesn’t make you “pro-Ashley” nor does it make you “anti-sensible”

    The sensibility of people is not in the views that they hold it is the way that they hold them, if they can make a point, back it up and defend it against conflicting views without resorting to tearing each other to shreds then surely that is what constitutes a sensible opinion, regardless what side of the line you are in relation to Ashley.

    Just think that if we all took a few steps back before throwing ourselves into arguments with each other we could get much further forward in terms of getting intelligent conversation from one another, but that is just my opinion, not trying to tell anyone how they should or should not post.

    Now have at each other! 😀

  • 16 Gerrard#1 // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:10 PM

  • 17 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    Well, yesterday was such an easy game for you to play
    But lets face it things are so much easier today
    Guess you need some bringing down
    And get your feet back on the ground

    Wont you tell me
    Where have all the good times gone?
    Where have all the good times gone?
    Where have all the good times gone?

    You guys seem to be covering all corners of the debate, so I’ll provide the mood music.

  • 18 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    Yo…..Stop being such a negging mackem ffs! 😉

    This obsessive labeling needs to stop. Someone can question without being a negger (although there certainly are some on the blog as well) and some people can like most of the going ons at the club and not be an Ashley dingleberry.

    Stop trying to put things in boxes, but if you insist on it, pleased make sure you leave some air holes.

  • 19 robson1 // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    are people seeing something im not or are you all just agreeing with the press? bigi is crap, he kicks widly at the ball, no control and ive yet to see him complete a pass, he played for a championship side that was RELEGATED so why is he in the prem? and as for williams, OMG, i woudnt even have him in my local sunday pub team, perch on the other hand has been excellent for us, slipped up when he gad to switch ftom rb to cb but otherwise a solid defender, 442 doesnt work with the toon but with ba wanting to be up front and not on the left then niether will 433. i think we should play 4-2-3-1 play cabaye and tiote i. rdm and ldm fergy on left wing with ban arfa on right, ba as lone striker and cisse in cam, reason for cam is he likes to roam and was influential both up front and in midfield last season, also playing him in behind ba puts both strikers in front of goal and im certain this is the key to them becoming a lethal partnership. just throwing this out there but what about buying abdel taarabt when qpr get relegated? his style of play is like tiote and ben arfa combined and he has an eye for goal, him on left with ben arfa on right, ba up from with cisse behind then tiote and cabaye, lb santon rb debuchy cb collocini and douglas is for me a top 4 side easy

  • 20 WWYCD // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    Seems I cant help it my friend I have been told good and proper about my opinions and exactly what I am

    I am firmly in my box and I shall not be moved! 😉

  • 21 rainrix // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:25 PM

    Dummy great nickname 😐

  • 22 archaeomag // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    There is such a thing as ‘mindless optimism’ – even footballers usually preface their predictions with ‘hopefully’

    I am very pleased with the progress the club has made, but I don’t think we will finish in a European place – that is not a criticism of MA DL, AP or the squad/individuals, it is to do with the extra games and injuries.
    I hope I am proved wrong – it’s just an opinion.

  • 23 bollance // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:28 PM

    There is a difference between being a negger and ganging up on someone, we are on the same side!

    This blog needs positive and negative comments to bring out debate. If everyone thought the same then there would be no flow of conversation.

    I think we will not have any players going away for ACON as tiote will be injured so not go to the tournament. Not based on any evidence, just on the fact he is picking up more and more niggling injuries.

    If he does go to ACON then he will have to fight for his place once he returns. Who will take his place? Anita or Bigi?

  • 24 bollance // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:28 PM

    Perch is also a contender?

  • 25 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:34 PM


    obviously you didn’t read back then because i was hardly causing division. don’t say ‘you’ (as in me) because it fits your argument better

    i’m all for the blueprint laid out for us…..but NOT buying players is NOT following through with that blueprint of challenging ‘at the top’ (the board’s words, not mine)

  • 26 archaeomag // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    Realistically – who ever is still fit!

    Perch is already playing in 3 or 4 positions, at the moment, at the moment a lot depends on keeping him fit . .

  • 27 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:36 PM


    agree 100%

  • 28 archaeomag // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    Realistically – who ever is still fit!

    Perch is already playing in 3 or 4 positions, at the moment a lot depends on keeping him fit . .
    {dyslexic negger}

  • 29 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    Yo….Well, in your case perhaps it’s best you’re labelled. Perhaps a health notice warning people not to feed you or get too close.

    Some people just feel more comfortable and safe in their box.

    Can someone tell me what happened last night then with the Ivory Coast vs Senegal game? It got called off, right? Wouldn’t that mean a replay?

  • 30 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:38 PM


    the only two observations i’ve made is that i don’t think dummy will make it (don’t kid yourself)

    and that the board, in order to fulfill their own, well stated plan, needs to buy players

    not 10mil players, hell, not even 5mil players, but we need bodies all over the field and that, to me at least, is obvious if we really are to challenge at the top, as MA and DL have stated. that’s what THEY said they want to do….this isn’t coming out of thin air, man

  • 31 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:41 PM


    not sure if they have 100% but every one was assuming (as of last night) the african FA would award the win to the ivory coast

    the what: lunacy. if i was a club owner i would never allow my players back to that continent without both safety and financial guarantees

  • 32 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    Matty….Just as we don’t really believe what Derek tells normally, I’m taking this latest release of intellect with a pinch of salt also.

    I honestly don’t believe our enquiries for Debuchy and Douglas were because the board were, well bored. What it does mean is that we will be bringing in players when their is a bargain to be had (Be it transfer fee, wages or both). So, there will be progress made and genuine first team players coming in (much like Tiote, Cabaye, Ba, Cisse, Santon, etc), just not at the rate we’d like.

    I’ll go back to one of the big points of the summer – this perceived missed opportunity and this idea that we wont be able to ever catch up again, which quite frankly, is ridiculous imo.

    I get this whole method is frustrating, but I simply cannot buy in to this mediocrity target that fans are saying is the “real” ambition of the club and I tell you what, I’d take the current set up over the circus that has been NUFC for what, the past 10 years? Something needed to be done and it has been.

    Only in time will we know if I’ve been duped by Mike and Derek and their silky soft whispers

  • 33 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    Matty….It would seem a sensible call, even the biggest optimist wouldn’t think Senegal had a chance of getting back in to that one, even if Cisse and Ba played their best ever 10 minutes of football.

    The safety aspect is a worry. What guarantees can they make though? No fans will be allowed to attend games? Got to say, seemed to take them ages to gain any control or even to start dealing with the fires. Far from impressed, but what do I know?

  • 34 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:48 PM


    agree wholeheartedly with the latter points (about the past decade). don’t agree with the notion that it’s ridiculous to think we missed a big opportunity (imo). honestly, i don’t want to have to wait another decade for a striker to like demba ba….can shola really hack it to 42? 😀

    also, i agree that debuchy and douglas weren’t all smoke and mirrors….not in the slightest. BUT! what happened to our contingencies GC AP and DL all stated from January through May were in place in case our first choices were unavailable on our terms? the ones they believed to be just as good? that’s what’s frustrating to me

  • 35 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:51 PM


    I’m not FA official, so i’m not sure which guarantees could be made. but, again, if i were a club owner, that would be in whichever FA’s hands to figure out. otherwise i’d say ‘sorry, lads.’

    harsh hypothetical stance, for sure. would probably turn a lot of players off but hell, if i was in a position to pay out of millions upon millions of pounds each year for a player to do a job give or take 40 times a calender year for an hour and a half, i know which way i’d go, personally

  • 36 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:52 PM

    Matty…..Sorry, didn’t really make my point well there. Didn’t mean to say it was ridiculous to say it was a missed opportunity – it may well prove to have been, but the fact people seem to make out it will be our only chance to push on, which is simply not true. I do understand that lack of investment may lead to purple players (gags) wanting to leave and thus putting us further back, I just don’t believe we’re there yet. Once again, I hope I’m not proved wrong.

    As for contingencies, I get a feeling it will be Debuchy and Douglas we’re after again. For me, the risk they’ve decided to take is, can we manage half a season to get the two players we really want. For the sake of four months, do we settle for what they think is second best? Could be well off, but it’s what I believe.

  • 37 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    Wait, you don’t work for the FA? You’ve been misleading me Matty 🙂

    I know what you’re saying, not sure how attractive that will be for international players mind. It goes hand in hand with progress. You get better players, they will want to represent their countries. Doesn’t mean no precautions should be made mind. Tricky one, thankfully, not our department.

  • 38 WWYCD // Oct 14, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    I cant hear u am in my box! 😀

    I am getting hungry though…..:( and the air is running out, maybe this wasent a great idea

  • 39 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:00 PM


    no no no, only African players. let’s face the reality that the entirety of that continent is susceptible to outbreaks of violence.

    and the other thing, Ibiza…i like graham carr, i do, but i don’t think he’s the godsend he’s been hyped up to be. If we are indeed back in for Debuchy and Douglas, i think that speaks volumes. are they both good players? sure. better than what we have? that is up to serious debate.

    time will tell on Amalfitano but i was thoroughly underwhelmed with him in preseason. Marvs, as much as i want to like him, in reality has yet to make the grade. Obertan (who arguably was pards buy but was approved by GC nonetheless) is up for even more debate. Ands at pards’ behind-closed-doors speak in mentioned that when he first arrived he wanted Lallana as his first choice CM. GC said no, he’s not good enough, he’ll never make it. who here honestly believes he would not make a welcome addition to our squad? We pushed hard for Mariappa last January, and he’s not alright at Reading the two times i’ve watched him, but is he better than perch? imo no. better than williamson? imo probably on par, but his pace probably puts him ahead.

    not bashing GC but he is not the end all be all by any means

  • 40 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:02 PM

    mariappa has done* alright

  • 41 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM


    shutup and get back in the box

  • 42 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:07 PM


    i’m only here until Arnold jumps out of the capsule.

  • 43 BandB // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:10 PM

    My first repost, as all my faves are on.

    Pushy Pardew,

    I agree with you about Cabaye. He is a class act. If he plays well, we play well, and that’s truer of him than of any of our other players. I was also interested to see bills_son earlier, describing Krul and Ben Arfa as the two players who could go to “blue chip” clubs. He said Cabaye and Tiote were over-rated by Toon fans.
    So let’s say, Krul and Ben Arfa are still appreciating in value. And Bigiramana may well be too.
    But let’s also posit, as a for instance, that Tiote, who SAF claimed was too expensive at £20m, is depreciating in value. How far will the club allow his value to slide off its “share price.” before we sell? That’s how these things are done in the world of business. Will it really take “silly money” as Pardew claims.
    Enrique was a “purple” player. He didn’t go for silly money. He went for a tidy profit., in line with his market value.
    I thought Pardew was a good signing when he came, and still do. He gets his teams playing well. But he is inured to having his best players sold from under him, and then he falls off and gets sacked. We’ll see more of that, I fear.

    PS ..that winking stuff. It says “what a great point by ME.” Knock yourselves out. I bet you clap your hands when you’re excited too.

  • 44 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    Matty…..Was about to call war, but your post @38 makes me realise you do take sense after all 🙂

    As for GC – Blasphemy, you shall be stoned to death. Sorry, nothing personal, just the way it is.

    At the end of the day, he’s only a scout. I don’t think overall we can have any issues with the players we’ve acquired, especially given the money spent, nothing short of brilliant. But he is only human and they wont all be winners.

    Are Debuchy and Douglas that good? No idea, both internationals, so I’d assume they would improve and compliment our current squad. Is Debuchy better than Simpson? I would lean towards yes. Is Douglas better than Willo? 🙂

    Yo….Did I forget the air holes? Oh well, one less negger to deal with.

  • 45 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:19 PM

    BandB…Yet you manage to portray that at times without using any faces at all. Why do you feel the need to have a dig? Is the blog so out of whack you feel you need to bring balance? I think we would all do well to get back to making football points, as you did at first. Sometimes, winking faces are used to try and take the edge of what may be perceived as arrogance or maybe they’re just trying to inject a little humour? I’m sure there are times when they are indeed just noting how smart they think they have been.

  • 46 eaststandgeordie1982 // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:19 PM

    Alreet lads whats the crack today whos chinning who? Any mackems died on international duty???

  • 47 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:22 PM


    exactly. he’s only human. i don’t understand this ‘in GC we trust’ bologna. i know it’s half in jest, but he doesn’t pick the team and, given it’s more often than most, seemingly, doesn’t always pick gems.

    is there anyone else i’d rather have scouting? probably not, but he is not the anecdote to 10 years of s*** football and board who in all fairness is still learning and above all else is pretty stubborn.

  • 48 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    Can safely say i have seen very little of dummett anyone on here watch alot of SPL who can give a bit of info on how the lads developing?
    There coaches interview is a bit thin like!

    Dont want to rattle your cage like but think you’ve got WWYCD Mactoon and munster pretty wrong like all these lads always back up any points they make and aren’t blind enough to be 100% positive or 100% negative they credit the good MA does and qusetion the bad its always good to be able to see both sides of the arguement

  • 49 nick_9 // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    BandB Pardew is yet to get us playing well, I think the lads we have aren’t performing well at all. Not having at them but they have so much potential, I would hate to see a team with hba go to waste. If any of yous win the euromillions you should cough up for some cover at centre back, a purple full back and also a purple winger.

  • 50 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    matty…I would be inclined to say it’s more than half in jest, but that would be me splitting hairs. When you think about it, with all the changes etc, the new look Newcastle is still in it’s infancy. Perhaps a bit harsh and early to be judging as most of us are, but perhaps that is our role and entitlement as fans. We’ve been here the longest, we’ll let you know what’s good and what’s not. Now, if only we could agree on that between ourselves…

  • 51 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    Dont justify how you post lad its a blog, an internet forum now if stuff like winking faces etc piss you off where would the place be that you would go to chat footy???

  • 52 nick_9 // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    Oh and cover at ST seen as though even Campbell is finding it hard to get a sub app or game time in Europe

  • 53 bollance // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:30 PM

    No need to explain this link

  • 54 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:30 PM


    good point about the plan in its infancy. i could go on and on about how willo is s*** and so on and so forth

    won’t make a damn bit of difference. i have to say though, if we can get to a point where we’re consistently playing like we played the first half against Bordeaux, regardless of win or lose, new CB or otherwise, i will be one happy fan

    my biggest qualm is the s*** football we seem to be consistently playing, this year and last year for large chunks. really hope we can push on and find our groove.

  • 55 Lynxie // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    Exactly WHY is Dummy not going to make it? Do a lot of (relatively) successful teams not bring youngsters through the ranks? Loan out promising players to try and improve them?
    Ajax / Man Utd / Spurs to name but a few
    i am currently working in spain, and Athletic Bilbao are restricted in how they can get players due to birthright (All players representing the club must be basque), hence they have a great scouting system in place. they can not simply go to a ready made replacement by waving a cheque book. there is no reason why NUFC can not make a good replica of this, and produce some good home grown lads, and subsequently stop those young uns leaving the area and joining other clubs.
    tav did well on loan and is still learning, if he improves as much next year we will have a real player on our hands. Ditto Dummett. Ditto Alnwick. Ditto Campbell. the futures bright, the futures (young) Black and White! Keep the faith.

  • 56 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:32 PM

    Tads…Wasn’t justifying my own posts, but others. I never use smileys 😉 Damn it.

    How are the kids and Catem?

  • 57 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:32 PM

    I think cb cover is something were desperate for tbh but then if you start looking a squad depth etc then realistically you could argue yeah we need another FB another ST another winger and in all honesty another CAM because when cabs is injured or off form our whole team suffers the link between attack n midfield vanishes, plus it would be nice to have a genuine goalscoring midfielder!

  • 58 Lynxie // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:34 PM

    We have ran the rule over a lot of decent players in the last few transfer windows, most of them came through the ranks at their respective clubs. When our academy gets cat 1 status, we may start producing them ourselves. Lets hope so. Coz Graham carr aint gonna be our savious forever, as good a job as he is doing..! (^^^)

  • 59 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:35 PM

    Ibiza yeah there all good mate how was your trip home?

  • 60 Lynxie // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    Oh almost forgot Remi Streete too. Watch this space. <(")
    Once one kid gets a sniff, it brings the real ambitious and hungry ones on too. its only the workshy, lazy, waste-of-a-pair-of-underpants losers like Nile Ranger that dont cop on……….

  • 61 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:39 PM

    Matty….Finally, let’s get to the important stuff. How we’re performing on the pitch!!! It needs to improve and it must do soon. We seem to be finding our feet at the minute, not sure if it’s been injuries, disjointed pre-season with some key players given more time due to international commitments or what. I do know they can play well together though, so I’m happy enough we’ll see an improvement soon. In the meantime, the results haven’t been too horrendous, so that is a positive.

    Lynxie….I think most people issue is relying solely on the academy for new players. All the top teams do loan out their promising talent of the future and then bed them in to their own teams once they progress, but they do also go out and buy the needed players.

    You could argue that we have done the same to some extent, perhaps forgetting the last window. Don’t we have 5-6 new starting players than we did 3 years ago?

    I’m with you mate, keep the faith.

  • 62 BandB // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:40 PM


    I was making a football point, to Pushy Pardew. I’ve asked you to drop the facetiousness and just say what you think, beyond being vaguely “pro-sensible”. But you always come back and say you don’t understand my point. You know mate, I’m paid to master my brief and make clear points. I’ll let you have a couple of knowing winks, if you can show that you actually know anything. The whole world is waiting for you to get off the fence. Okay, do you think top five is do-able again? Pardew has said top eight would suffice. I think tactical retreats are very tricky to manage in football, and can lead to freefall. I think the last two years have been great. But I also think we reached beyond the limit of our ambition, and will deliberately go backwards. Will you buy the new shirt? If so, why? I like you being positive. But being positive isn’t defined by not being negative. Please don’t play to the gallery. I’m asking you.

  • 63 bollance // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:40 PM

    Tried to paste a link to a website called full kit w@nkers but can’t because it contains the word w@anker.

    Click on the link which says ‘more at ..’

    Funny they are all l’fools!

  • 64 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:47 PM

    Bottom line is we are well off the pace to equal last year’s performance. Not unreachable if the lads get some collective form back and we have a good run of wins.
    We are 5 pts and a good few goals conceded off where we were last year and tbh with the daft comments from DL its unlikely we will invest in the key purple areas for improvement. DL just gives that impression of being a total Wonga….by that I mean he has a loan shark mentality.. So we are looking at the 6th-8th place finish which I will be disappointed with. If we over achieved last year then at least try to consolidate the early gain and not backslide. Bad sports psychology to backslide.

  • 65 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 14, 2012 at 6:55 PM


    Stretching a point to say the whole world is waiting for Ibiza to get off the fence 🙂

    sorry, couldn’t resist that one…

  • 66 Lynxie // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    lets be honest with ourselves here for a second. last season’s premier league was a strange one, we put together a run of good results while Chelsea and Spurs went on a horrific run, and we looked like an unstoppable force. HOWVER, this season, the two players who we really did not need to get injured, have. And for a few weeks we have a makeshift defence (including Timmy missing), and suddenly we do not play football out of defence anymore, because those replacements can not play ‘football’. (not a criticism of Willo, just an observation of fact. he is the least comfortbale with the ball at his feet,m and his solution is Launch.) When Collo and Tayor return, there is nothing stopping us from going on a good little run again, but 5th may be difficult to repeat, unless Spurs and Arsenal and Chelsea start playing like nobs again. No one ever won anything in October, so lets just enjoy the ride…………….

  • 67 jesperfuglsang // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    If anyone cares, my team won today and I scored 😀

  • 68 archaeomag // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:05 PM

    Well played!!

  • 69 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:05 PM

    Well done get a wonga loan and celebrate!!!

    Ya bast@rd you get accused of bully ppl with optimism and now youve apparantly taken residence on the fence and the whole worlds waiting for you to get down!! Im expecting an update on the evening news very soon…..

  • 70 BandB // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:11 PM


    I scored a goal. Once. Then it was chalked up as an own goal. By me. I was also booked for an elbow and abusive language in the same incident. I was 11. There’s no other footy going on, so your match report would be a welcome distraction.

  • 71 BandB // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:13 PM


    Would you mind holding my sides a moment. I think they’ve just split.

  • 72 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:16 PM

    Agree that last season was a strange season in the league but a few have also started flat this season manure have been in funny form same as citeh arsenal were slow out the blocks and spuds have been hit miss…….then theres the bindippers lets hope they stay there!
    My biggest concern is taylor as much as i like the lad we need to get a CB to be pushing him for a starting place good player but you just cant rely on the lad for a season on average he plays half a season

  • 73 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    Probably caused by the unnatural phenomenon of you laughing if you have a problem with a poster, as you obviously do, simply move on
    Why arent posters allowed to see points from both sides of the arguement?
    Try to belittle another poster because you think there post is valid yours pointless

  • 74 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    Oh and its down south some people do move away from the area you know 😉

  • 75 Lynxie // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    The matter of our defensive fraillties aside, and the worrying ease with which we leak goals, the one thing I dont understand is:

    How do you guys change your poster names?

  • 76 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:26 PM

    Dont you just go to your account settings??

  • 77 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:28 PM

    Just looked at that link pretty funny!
    About right that there all liverpool fans i think thats whats known as evening wear on mersyside!!

  • 78 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    Sorry for the delay, have had some family arrive, so wont be staying long..

    BandB…I noted you made a footballing point, but you also commented about peoples use of winking faces, that is what the majority of my post was referring to.

    I certainly can be facetious at times, it is a part of my humour, it is not intended to insult or belittle someones feelings towards a matter, it’s just my way of dealing with it. Much like you have your ways, I have mine.

    So, to letting the whole world know what they’ve all been waiting for (thanks for being so genuine).

    I do think top 4 is achievable this season. I don’t think we will get top 4 however. We didn’t make it last season and this season we have to contend with Europa games, plus it seems the teams who struggled last season, are starting off a lot better this time round.

    I would agree with Pardew, top 8 would be reasonable for us this season, I expect us to get 6th though. Just a feeling.

    I feel our defensive tactics are not set in stone. When Pardew isn’t confident with the team, he tends to play what he deems as safe tactics. Keep it simple, try and nick a one goal win. Yes, risky. I expect when key players re-discover their form and players return from injury you will see Pardew release the shackles.

    I wont buy the new shirt, but confession time, I hardly ever buy one. Not really my thing, probably makes me less of a supporter (on a financial level anyway). I think if I attended games (which would require being somewhere slightly more local), then I probably would buy them. So, with that in mind, would I buy one with Wonga on it? I personally would. Whilst Wonga are not the nicest people on the planet, I do think some of the blame put at their door is a bit over the top. It’s a sensitive subject and people can get easily offended if they have been involved in someway. Much like, I have had problems with certain banks, service providers and now hate them with a passion. Is it rational, no. You get screwed and it sticks with you. Overall, I feel they’re providing a service few others are willing to and yes, they want paying for it. Who are we to set how much they charge? Don’t like it, don’t use it. Cold I know and yes, there certainly are cases to be made about who they target and these cases should be handled appropriately, but I could argue this about many many businesses, ones that the majority of fans would be happy to have on the shirt. This is a simplified answer, got to shoot off.

    I like me being positive. I have dabbled in negativity before and it doesn’t work for me and my joy of life. I chose to approach it this way. I may well be proved wrong down the line and will have to live with that. I do appreciate and am thankful that some people do constantly question the regime (whichever one that may be). If we don’t question things we will get taken advantage of. That is a sad but true rule in life.

    I have taken a look at the situation and have seen enough good to remain optimistic. I’m not naive enough to think Mike is doing it all for us fans, that is stupid. He wants it to do well for him. The question is how successful does he need them to be on the pitch to make the experience successful for him. Jury is out on that one, we’ll see what happens. For now, we’re quite nicely set up and I’ll try and enjoy the season and see what it brings. I can always reassess things as and when I think it’s needed. Now if only they could start kicking the ball round with the class we have seen before.

    One last bit, sometimes I genuinely don’t know what your actual point it. You can be quite aggressive, so rather than assume what you meant, I ask you to clarify. I’m not questioning your ability to write or make your point. On a personal note, I object to your reference that I play to the crowd. I like to keep a rapport with people on the blog, but I am true to my opinions, sometimes there is merit in trying to see the other side – we can’t all always be right. If we’re not learning, what are we doing?

    I would like to drop this calling out, you’re a decent poster and seem to be a passionate guy. I think we can have some decent discussion, let’s just stick to that rather than correcting how each of us use the blog.

  • 79 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:37 PM

    Whilst we’re talking personal football experience. In my whole time playing football as a kid for my local town (Go Ascot united 😉 ) – I only scored one goal and it too was an own goal. Wouldn’t have been so bad, but my mum was there and started jumping up and down cheering. Took her a good minute to realise and stop celebrating….it felt like a bloody long time anyway.

    On that note, I am going to see family, I mean get back on my fence.


  • 80 BandB // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:39 PM


    I can’t recall that I’ve ever had a sufficient problem with your style to have a little pop at you. One day this blog will be reduced to a handful of people like you, who can dish it out, but can’t take it. You are a winker though.
    Well, I’m going out.

  • 81 BandB // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    Thank you Ibiza. That was a top response. I really appreciate it.

  • 82 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:46 PM

    I can take it its words on a screen mate as for the little pop you dragged an entire point to say the world is waiting for one posters opinion!
    Besides a little bit of banter is hardly the same as continuously calling out one poster because he uses smiley faces!!
    As for your style your footballing points are good enough to stand on there own merit, in fact football wise your probably one of the most sensible poster on here, which in all honsety im not i tend to let heat of the moment get to me especially during game time!
    Basically i think your posts would be a great read if the unnessicary digs were left out prob same as the rest of us tbf

  • 83 jesperfuglsang // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    Sorry, had to put my son in bed and it took some time this time around…

    Anyways, thanks for all the support and nice victory comments 🙂

    BandB…I’ll work on that match report but it might not be today 🙂

  • 84 obatoyou // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    Love u Ibiza

  • 85 FatmanJoe // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    Malicious condescending smart arse.

    There’s been a few of those over the years on here unfortunately.

  • 86 FatmanJoe // Oct 14, 2012 at 7:51 PM

    I almost forgot 😉

  • 87 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 8:08 PM


    you can’t honestly say colo and saylor have been shining examples of playing the ball out of the back. it’s a false point to fit your argument

    there have been two games this season we’ve done that and they’ve been our two best performances (bordeaux and manu in the league) and both of those were with inferior CBs (perch and willo), which in my mind hints towards tactics and nothing more

  • 88 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    and to add to that…

    playing out of the back is obviously the way we need to go (just don’t let harper orchestrate it 😀 ). we got whooped by man u but we played better than any other game bar bordeaux.

  • 89 nick_9 // Oct 14, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    What are your thoughts regarding santon at right back? Obviously we don’t have a left back and would be more balanced with Simpson and Santon playing, however I though Santon was far more effective at right back as he sent have to cut back or cross on his weaker foot. He was able to dill it across the box more against man united and was unlucky not to have an assist.

  • 90 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 14, 2012 at 8:29 PM

    TADS @68

    Does the half a season playing availability make Saylor half a purple ?


    Toonarmydownthere is more a sexual preference I think …


    Interesting post and at last a lengthy cogent argument from you…. You do tend to play to the gallery btw, though not in an offensive way at all…


    We do need to play out of defence but I agree Pards does seem to go for the line of least resistance with squad players in defence. I think he should go for the KISS passing out of defnec approach though even with Willo…Perch can be quite good passing forward but Tiote is hardly a shining example of how to pass out of midfield though okay with short passes….I did notice Krul mostly playing through rather than over the defence before he got injured, so there is hope. When Benny and Cabs link up on the counter they can be devastating but we need good wide players like Fergy and Santon to break quickly too..Hope Obertan comes good too, as he could be great at this.


    Who are you referring to ?

  • 91 FatmanJoe // Oct 14, 2012 at 8:29 PM

    I honestly think our window would have been considerably better if we’d brought a left back in. Santon and Simpson alternating at right back with a new left back and anita alternating at left back would make us very solid.

  • 92 BandB // Oct 14, 2012 at 8:29 PM


    The top “neggars” down the years don’t hunt in packs. They don’t start their arguments with “you are an idiot/cretin/special needs.” They don’t sign off with “everything you ever say is bollax.” They don’t then run round high-fiving their mates like they were the school netball team. Perhaps you recognize the style? Because it encompasses your own. If you think this makes me a smart-arse, thank you for noticing. Knowing wink, I suppose.
    But that’s my last ever ad hominem. I’m even boring myself. Anyone for tennis :{

  • 93 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 14, 2012 at 8:35 PM


    Not if you were watching Andy Murray.

    Why the long face btw?

    I think neggers do tend to be pack animals as they get off on each other and we get into a downward spiral where you get abused for either criticising the triumvirate or agreeing with MAs red in tooth and claw style.

  • 94 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 8:38 PM


    i agree. far more effective at RB, and i felt he was one of our best performers this year at LB. if we can get a LB that can do half of what he did out on the right we’ll be well on our way

  • 95 FatmanJoe // Oct 14, 2012 at 8:40 PM

    1. Actually, they do. Maybe you haven’t noticed because you’re too wrapped up in your own brilliance
    2. Don’t like the term. Have hardly ever used it. Once again, too wrapped up nice and tight in smug land
    3. Doesn’t take too long to ‘notice’
    4. I’m glad you realise your posts are boring.

    Reply if you want to. I don’t care. Be sure to use a big word to make me feel small.


  • 96 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 8:42 PM


    same can be said for the optimists. no stance taken on here is more righteous than the other’s, no matter how much we want to believe it.

    it just gets difficult to delineate when we’re so engulfed in the club we support. performances solidify our opinions, as do tactics. it’s all about perception. what bothers me (as a branded ‘neggar’) is that we’re all 100% in agreement that we need to progress on the field but folks like bills-son and davyb are so pompous in their views that they are two of the only posters on here who have never tilted towards an opposing view. i do every single day. every time i read this blog and its comments i’m questioning things, glad to see other viewpoints. their’s are the end all be all and every one else is a f***ing imbecile

  • 97 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM

    Of course it all makes sense now! Shame on him!
    Agreed thought santon looked very good at rb but i also think he’s looked great at lb and been dangerous on the attack there and who do you play at lb?
    I suppose the obvious candidate is anita

  • 98 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 14, 2012 at 8:47 PM

    I like the idea of Santon at right back and Guti at left with Anita and Tiote paired in the holding mid roles, Cabs ahead of them and a front three of HBA, Cisse, Ba.

    The advantage of Santon on the right as I see it, would be his capacity to beat a player to the outside and hopefully get the cross in that we’ve been lacking. The concern I suppose is whether with HBA ahead of him we would then be defensively vulnerable on that flank.

  • 99 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    Agree with that mate and that could be where the arguement of ‘upgrading’ our fullbacks (not santon obviously! The lad is still young and is turning into a class player) to FB’s who can attack and perhaps dont need the same amount of babysitting our wingers do, bur if we played with anita n tiote in holding mid as you said they should be able to cover the fullbacks when needed

  • 100 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 8:56 PM


    i’d say guti

    i still think anita in a 3 man midfield is our best formation

  • 101 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 14, 2012 at 8:57 PM

    Santon isn’t the finished article thougfh is he, lovely elegant player but clearly lacks the defensive steel, muscle and pragmatism of Maldini. That was a rash comparison that would have been better left unsaid. It has done the lad no favours.

  • 102 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 8:57 PM


    i’ve always been in the mindset that the best form of defence is attack

  • 103 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    I meant obvious in the fact that he mainly featured there for ajax except fir his last half season but yeah idealy we’d have him in a 3 man midfield

  • 104 APBWA // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:02 PM

    we should try for sturridge on loan in january, with a fixed price for the end of the season. I think we could do with getting a LM more though. If we get a RB/CB, and a LM/ST I will be happy…

  • 105 APBWA // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    Alejandro Gomez- watch this player (Catania) he will join a big club in the next year we should snap him up. 4m euros

  • 106 beddersmag // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:05 PM

    Dont want sturridge man hes a selfish, lazy big time charlie. Doesnt fit our team dynamic imo

  • 107 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:08 PM

    Was a big fan of sturridge think chelsea have ruined him a bit!
    Also not sure they would let him go seeing as they only have him n torres as strikers!

  • 108 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:08 PM

    Agreed, HBA on the ball with Santon overlapping would certainly give opposition defences more than they’d care to think about.

  • 109 nick_9 // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    For me Anita isn’t ready to play in midfield yet, bigirimana and perch have looked more comfortable in midfield than Anita has. That being said he is only going to get better by playing but I just see it being hard to accommodate him. I’d love to see us play 4:5:1 with Santon at right back, Anita/Simpson left back, ferguson left wing, Ben Arfa in a central attacking midfield role and Jonas on the Rw. It’s difficult accommodating the players we have because so many are seen as undroppable so it’s like they have all been included but don’t play together, it would just be nice to see two wingers whipping balls in and Ben Arfa playing a more central role. How can we achieve that without dropping either a Ba/cisse or cabaye? We can’t really so I guess we will continue to see the same six in attack

  • 110 APBWA // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    Gomez is a fast direct winger/ no.10. Feel that he ben arfa and ba/cisse would tear defences apart

  • 111 BandB // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    I was responding. To you.
    You win. Well done you.
    I’ve fancied Santon at RB, being right-footed. He got stopped in his tracks a bit last weekend, but Man Utd were well set-up. If Anita really is a purple, he has to play at LB for now, surely? Unless they want to go with him and Tiote and push Cabaye into a playmaker role. Guti gets freekicks, makes a nuisance of himself and puts in a shift. But Ferguson has three assists, in as many games. With two holding CB’s we’d have to trust our fullbacks not to need a wingback in front of them. We’ve signed some good players. But our defence was mostly playing for us in the Championship, and sometimes it shows. The full-strength purples are still unbalanced. Good enough for eighth. If we play well.

  • 112 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:19 PM


    don’t agree anita’s not ready

    to play in this formation he needs tiote and cabs as well. what boggles my mind about the situation is that we’ve played in the three man midfield, tiote and anita sitting deep and cabs free to roam, for THIRTY FREAKIN MINUTES against bordeaux. i’ve yet to see what we bought him for if not to fit into that formation

    just my opinion but it really is frustrating that in all this time we’ve given that a go once, and not even for a full half

  • 113 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    Sturridge noooooooooo!
    Too many prima donna problems I guess. Definitely spoiled by the dressing room atmosphere in Chelski …if the rumours are even half true.
    Pity as if Pards had got him after the Bolton loan we might have got him paying the Toon way..

  • 114 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    and nick9

    that’s where pardew (is supposed to) come in

    he hasn’t gotten the team to gel, and that in my mind is not doing a very good job for tasks he gets paid very, very well for

  • 115 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:24 PM

    and that’s me off before i get slaughtered for criticizing pardew

    god knows you lot seem up for it today

    ….i’ll just imagine what a di matteo, lee clarke or anyone else for that matter could do with the riches we have in this squad

  • 116 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:24 PM


    I’m not one for labels but I wouldn’t have labelled you as an obvious negger.
    I totally agree with the midfield trio approach of Tiote Cabs and Anita. Could be the dream combo..but what happens to Guti ? IF he is a loyal servant then Pards will not want to drop him, even though he may well be losing his purple hue

  • 117 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:26 PM


    I hope yer joking about Di Matteo’s managing abilities. If anyone is due to get found out its him.. A couple of hundred million to spend on players and anyone would look good. (except Sparky) The CL win was fortuitous imo.

  • 118 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:28 PM

    I’m just coming out of my funk over the Wonga deal, mainly because it’s sinking in now that we have got St James’ back, which is such a important thing. The return of the ground name maybe signifies a lessening of the disconnect Ashley has with the fans. Perhaps there is some hope for the bloke, maybe he’ll at least come to understand our passion one day rather than just pay lip service to it or just plain ride roughshod over it.

  • 119 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:30 PM

    last one


    i really liked Di Matteo at west brom. maybe he wasn’t a great example. how about a laudrup?

    and whatever happened to (the real) ketsbaia? he was being heralded not long ago, seems to have fallen off the radar

  • 120 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    and MFH

    if he can play like he did at LB, i’d like Guti given a run of 3-4 games there to see how he does

    i love fergie but god, he is no LB. how do we all see it but pards doesn’t choose to/want to/can’t?

  • 121 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    Yeah agree with that about matteo although i reckon it’ll be a four way between hoots rodgers hughes and lambert to be sacked by xmas

  • 122 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM

    Aye fergie is a winger hes not a lb he doesnt seem ti have any positionsl sense at LB, got shot down for saying this the other day ppl saying they’d seen him play there several times in the reserves and he looked decent but theres a fcuking big gap between reserve games n PL games also dont think he should be starting yet keep bringing him on a sub let him build gradually no need to rush his development

  • 123 nick_9 // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    Matty for me Anita still hasn’t grasped the speed of the game and his passing was a bit off lately, especially against man united but granted it must of been nerve wrecking to come on with such a hostile atmosphere. That being said he does look composed on the ball and that’s what we need, composed players.

    I guess a midfield three of tiote, cabaye and Anita could work and it would be nice to free up cabaye and see him attack a bit more. If we had say ferguson and santon at full back they could provide the width.

  • 124 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:43 PM

    The problem with Fergie is once you’ve picked him you really have to give him a run of games to fairly judge him. I think Pards is hedging his bets by playing him at leftback. Better to leave him out till he thinks he’s in a position to give him that run on the wing. Having said that, I don’t think he is ready to hold down a first team place. Obviously, I hope I’m proved wrong.

  • 125 BandB // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:48 PM

    I think Anita will prove a very good signing.
    But if Tiote, Cabaye, and Anita are the middle three, which is the one area that has real potential, what is the front three? What about when Man Utd won the Champions League, destroying in along the DM line, playing on the break, feeding their two strikers (Rooney and Ronaldo) wide as the release ball, with that Alan Smith bloke (HBA) linking play, while Scholes (Cabaye) got forward to join the attack. Has anyone also noticed Anita is sometimes the person who’s right in the middle of the penalty area? And who plays behind, to stop us being Fulhamed?

  • 126 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:53 PM

    Agree Fergie needs to play as a winger not wingback.

    Funny but I think the Fool’s owners have to stick with Brendan.. Sparky looks like first to collect his P45…

    Anita had a record of being very composed on the ball at Ajax so it is a matter of how long he takes to adapt.

  • 127 breno95 // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:54 PM

    Forget about the colour purple – wot a crock of crap that is. Rubbish talk IMO.
    It is as simple as black and white to see results going our way and getting them with a proactive team from the off. That is AP needs to play players in positions that they can excel in and are comfortable playing. That said (if the injured of late are fit) and the purple’s we have are on the pitch a team to get results would be :-
    Krul, Simpson, Saylor, Colo, Santon.
    Anita. Jonas

    HBA & Ba
    That would have us on the front foot and dominating more games than it would the opposite.

  • 128 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 14, 2012 at 9:59 PM

    Yeah, I think having brought him in you then have to bite the bullet with Anita, play him in his preferred midfield position and stick with him. But I can only see him slotting in to a midfield three, that gives us great ball distribution in the middle of the park, and Ba playing wider whether he likes it or not. He’s probably off in Jan anyway.

  • 129 bollance // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:04 PM

    The key to winning vs the mackems is getting the ball to hba as far up the pitch as possible.

    Against man utd hba was quite because they successfully kept him pinned back in our half when he picked up the ball.

    What was surprising was that Rooney was the one who stopped him when he did break through.

    The question is can the mackems do the same defensively? I don’t think so. I have a good feeling about this game. It could be the game to get the season started.

    At the other end fletcher is very good in the air but so is Willo. If Taylor and colo are both fit will we play Willo ahead of Taylor? I don’t think so but there would be good reason to do so.

    It will also be imperative to stop the crosses coming into the box. I would go with Simo and santon full backs.

  • 130 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:06 PM

    Breno, that’s the formation Man U played at St James’. No wingers, looks interesting.

  • 131 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM


    Front 3

    Benny……. Ba or Cisse….. another ?

    Who’s the right man to get a balance going forward ?

    I’d rotate Ba and Cisse and try to manage the egos as both would get 30 games (ish) a season.
    (The only other choice is to coach them to play together)

    As for AN Other… what’s your take ?

  • 132 BandB // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM


    Simpson and Santon are probably our best two full backs. Simpson can get caught out for pace, but who doesn’t. He only effs things up pushing forward and not thinking at the same speed as HBA. And what can the full backs really do if any combination of Colo, Williamson, Perch and Taylor are likely to go Keystone Cops under pressure? Great last ditch tacklers, in the main, but that’s not good defending. Willo’s “jump” against Jonny Evans was about five foot six. Before we got out-jumped by Evra. And Rooney really did pocket HBA. So why Willo over Taylor? They’d be a handy third and fourth choice, I think.

  • 133 bollance // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:31 PM


    Dont think we will go for Willo ahead of saylor, he is a Geordie too and would be devastated if pards does not play him. Pards got taylor to sign the contract when he came in after all. I believe the aim is to get Taylor back in the England squad which he won’t do sitting on the bench.

    Let’s hope he can win the aerial battle because fletcher really is excellent in the air. So cutting off the supply is one way to stop him. Sunderland have the lowest total number of shots, 27 in all european top flight teams so they are hardly prolific at setting up chances.

    To play 4-3-3 we need to be passing better. That is my opinion and why we have not started a game 4-3-3 this season.

    I also believe we have an agreement with Ba confirming that too. It is all speculation but for Ba to get a big money move he needs to be scoring. Why would put Ba in the shop window saying the release claus was still active at Xmas?

    It is all speculation but time will tell.

    It would be fantastic to hit the form we did at the end of last season. Was it just me or did anyone think we were invisible in that period?

    Sadly Simo is not great going forward

  • 134 BandB // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:31 PM


    I’d really like to see them both pushed wide, as the release ball we so often don’t have. With HBA in the hole. They can control it with having a CB up their arse, cut inside, link, one two, three (even four or five if Cabaye and Anita are arriving.)
    The only person we have who can take a back to goal punt under pressure right now is Shola. And Shola is like Guti now. Half a player. I’m suggesting we turn it inside outside. The defence is the problem. It needs good full backs. Cabaye, Anita and Tiote are not sponges who’ll soak it up in the air against Norwich, Stoke and Fulham and the like . We need a centre back who is good in the air and can read the bounce of the ball. Who isn’t a penalty waiting to happen (Taylor) and the bloke who ends almost every attacking corner with a pointless infringement for climbing on someone. Me.

  • 135 GeordieTwo // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:34 PM

    With this purple team malarkey I think wor Dekka has gone and exposed too much of the real Ashley plan now. Here it is for all to see. True lack of ambition. Mediocrity is our byword. Pardew will keep his mouth shut because of the 8 year deal. Llambias and Ashley have it all nicely sewed up now. Ash will just sit back and watch the profit role in for the next few years while trying to keep us in the top 10 in the league. There is no way around it however, no ambition will equal no trophies for us and no Champions league either. Sad but true.

  • 136 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    Simmo is a solid fullback, but does lack pace and his ball distribution is average. We have an opportunity to explore other options in Fergie, Guti, Anita. You know what your gonna get with Simmo, but any one of those three mentioned potentially offers more, why not find out if they can.

  • 137 bollance // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:40 PM


    Do you not think the defence is being exposed by the team’s limitations this season? This season we haven’t kept the ball or won it back as high up the pitch. I don’t have the facts and figures to back that claim up but it is what I believe.

    The defence has been put under more pressure which in the law of averages will leak more goals, something we have done this season.

    As Matty says the best form of defence is attack which I am sure is what Keegan based his strategy on too 😉

    It is fairly simple but playing more football in the opposition 1/3 will mean we score more and concede less.

    We have the same defence there or thereabouts from last season?

    If I am correct when our midfield and attack start to come to form our defence will do so likewise.

    One difference from this year is Krul. He played every prem game last season?

  • 138 BandB // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:43 PM


    I used to get really hacked off with Simpson going forward last year. He made HBA look bad. The head thrown back “what was that?” look he used to shoot HBA when he was was back on his heels and just not getting it.
    We aren’t good at those Swansea triangles. My matchday contribution is usually ” get over and HELP him!!” My kids spend most of the match wheeling people in wheelchairs to the toilet. It’s one of my many bad habits.
    I think Williamson is a Championship defender. There’s not much to choose between him and Taylor. CB is the position we really need to strengthen. I’m going to close my eyes when “imagine US wasting £12m on Fletcher” gets half a chance.

  • 139 bollance // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:44 PM


    Simo will get stuck in vs the mackems, guaranteed. He is probably our fastest players in a sprint. But you are right if you are referring to speed of thought. With a fullback with a speed of thought closer to hba then we will get in behind defences.

  • 140 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:45 PM

    Geordie two, I think what you say is definitely on the cards, but not necessarily true of course.

    I think the goal is more likely constant progress and evolution in a fiscally prudent manner, whether that translates to major trophies and Champions league, I also have my doubts.

  • 141 GeordieTwo // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:49 PM

    The bottom team will receive about 60M pounds next season so if we finish around 7th or 8th what will we receive? It would have to be more than 70M pounds I would think. Ashley is laughing now because he has everything in place to spend as little as possible while reaping huge rewards. Why have football ambition when you can just fill your purse by keeping somewhere between 7th and 10th (even 11th or 12 th do for him I would think) There’s nobody left in the club to complain either with all those 8 year deals handed out.

  • 142 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:50 PM

    Sure, having voiced my misgivings about Simmo, I’d still happily see him picked against the Mackems. Good man to have in the trenches with you.

  • 143 bollance // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM


    Think my response to jaw says it all.

    Simo will run his contract down. We will listen to offers like with guthrie. Probably nobody will come in with enough and Simo will get his pay day. I believe he has been advised by Barton on this one and will end up in London.

    The guy is apparently on peanuts (he is not a purple 😉 )

    So we will need a new rb, maybe we bought him in the summer – Anita.

  • 144 bollance // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:53 PM

    Don’t think it has been mentioned on here yet.

    The fa plan to pay teams decent cash to play u21 English players. Only around 40 debutes last season which the fa deem too few.

    What does anyone think about that idea?

  • 145 shearermania // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:56 PM

    anita shouldnt be anywhere our first team line-up….hes currently not either ready or good enough…..i havent seen much of him but from what ive seen i have been very unimpressed…give him some time to with his missus and the small bub….like pards did to santon……nowhere good enough at the moment, would even prefer gosling to him )ahhh hes injured , alan smith then)

  • 146 bollance // Oct 14, 2012 at 10:59 PM

    I think it is a leveller. It is more likely lesser teams will play younger players as they have smaller squads. Also bringing players through is a way that lesser clubs prosper and survive.

    The bigger clubs can’t afford to risk bringing youth through because they need the results today. How many players have come through at Chelsea. It is like how Keegan used to be.. We need a new striker, buy falcao.

  • 147 BandB // Oct 14, 2012 at 11:02 PM


    For me, it will have to be an idea to sleep on. 40 English debutantes in a season? That’s two per squad of 35. A surprising figure. Great to chat with you. Goodnight.

  • 148 bollance // Oct 14, 2012 at 11:04 PM


    I thought the problem with Anita was he was getting no sleep. It turns out the baby is still in holland.

    His form has dipped a bit and probably because of the distraction of the baby.

    He does need to sharpen up but I believe he will come good. Carr got it spot on with our other defensive midfielders brought in with Bigi and tiote.

  • 149 bollance // Oct 14, 2012 at 11:05 PM


    No worries, good night

  • 150 GeordieTwo // Oct 14, 2012 at 11:13 PM

    Have to wait and see with Anita. He needs time to bed in. Better to judge him next season. I think he will turn out to be a good buy but not sure what position he will end up playing. Strange situation with Simpson. He is not terrible and not great. He has good games and bad games. Surely not part of the puple team Dekka? I still think we don’t have 11 true purple teamers, more like 8 as far as skill is concerned so more spending is required unless we truly don’t have ambition Ashley?

  • 151 bollance // Oct 14, 2012 at 11:15 PM

    For anyone interested, the link to the article on paying for clubs to play british players.

  • 152 bollance // Oct 14, 2012 at 11:19 PM

    A little more on the subject

    At only 35% of English players in the prem it is the reason we never win anything as a nation. Compare it to 75% of Spanish in la liga an other stars in top leagues in Europe.

  • 153 mattyNUFC // Oct 14, 2012 at 11:34 PM

    ok ok ok

    been gone, i know i’ve been missed

    BUT, i want to posit a real question to everyone here:

    seeing as we’re in whichever year of our five year plan which will inevitably turn into an 8 year plan, how long without CL football and/or a trophy will we stand by the board’s side? pardew’s side?

    how long before we’re all in agreement that it’s not working? how long before the notion that perhaps indeed we’ve been taken for mugs is assumed by all?

    i don’t think many people have thought about this. everything has been ‘we’re taking baby steps’ and i feel i’ve been a pretty ardent supporter of MA but these latest comments from DL are pretty disheartening to say the least

  • 154 obatoyou // Oct 15, 2012 at 8:46 AM

    think u have to spend $100 mill (per season) to make champions league dude. (and of course be in 100 mil debt)

    guess im *already* disappointed Ashley and the club are not in massive debt and we’re not in the CL, especially since we bought no one last window.. me best mate is a forest fan who’ve just been bought by some Kuwaiti’s, brought in 11 players last window, he seems pretty stoked about that.. as would I.

    Don’t think a lot of people on here understand nor address the current football situation in the prem league.

    Hear lots of praise for a well-run football club, but do we really care if Ashley were to lose a little money? Do Chelsea fans care that Abramavich loses money, or are they happen that they are the footballing champions of Europe?

    Premier league has become silly from a philosophical standpoint.. anyone remember the time when Newcastle’s players were all from Newcastle? (tee hee)

  • 155 obatoyou // Oct 15, 2012 at 8:58 AM

    or are they happen that they are the footballing champions of Europe? –> should be

    Are they happy!!

    (I support Newcastle no matter what anyway dude, won;t find me out the front of the stadium chanting for Ashley out, not much we can do about not bein in the champions league for the next 20 years, but we can still support our team 🙂 )

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