Newcastle manager Alan Pardew left no doubt with the Newcastle fans that he was proud of his players in today’s excellent display at the Stadium of Light, when Newcastle almost held onto a 1-0 win with only 10 men, before a late Demba Ba own goal rescued Sunderland.
A proud Alan Pardew salutes the Newcastle fans – and his players!
Yohan Cabaye scored after only three minutes at the Stadium of Light, with a well worked goal and Newcastle looked in control when Cheick Tiote was sent off, after 25 minutes, for high kick on Sunderland’s Steven Fletcher.
And the Sunderland equalizer was a lucky one, as John O’Shea’s flick-on from Sebastian Larsson’s nice free-kick into the box was going wide, but it struck Demba Ba in the face and the ball was diverted past a helpless Tim Krul into the goal – and Newcastle had no luck at all.
Pardew told Sky Sports he was proud of the Newcastle display:
“It was a magnificent effort. We said to the players before the game how important it was to the fans, we’ve now shown how important it is to us.”
“Playing an hour with 10 men, if we could have just seen it out, it would have been one of the greatest victories ever here. But it’s a great point and I’m very proud of my players.”
And when asked about Tiote’s red card, which altered the game in Sunderland’s favor, the Newcastle manager had this to say:
“At first I didn’t think it was that bad, but looking back at it again we can’t have any complaints. But what a response from the rest of the group.”
The truth was it’s very hard to argue that Cheick shouldn’t have been sent off, because his tackle was high, but we’ve seen players only get a yellow for that.
The good news is this was ane an excellent and courageous performance from our lads, and maybe even though we didn’t get the win, it will give Newcastle the confidence, and we can tear West Brom apart at St. James’ Park next Sunday.
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1 toonking // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:25 PM
now that tiote is going to miss the next 3 league games i dread to think how great the risk will be starting him in our europa league games because his chances of red in europe could be very high, european teams and refs are real soft sh!tes so i can’t see tiote stay on for 90 mins if he plays like he is in league games.
2 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:25 PM
Tiote has been acting like a madman recently. It’s Pardew’s job to control him and tell him to calm down a bit. Hopefully he will learn from this over the next 3 games in which he won’t be playing.
3 Super Magpie // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:27 PM
Ashton
You forget we played with 10 men for 70minutes
4 toonking // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:31 PM
BTW where are the kets and BPC today with their comments, could they be hiding as negative things are hard to bring up?
5 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:31 PM
Super Magpie
So what? All I’m saying is; Pardew made a mistake replacing Shola instead of Ba. Because Shola knows how to play as a lone striker and is far more helpful to our defence. It would’ve been a far better choice to sacrifice Ba instead of Shola but Pardew didn’t and that’s his fault.
And I think he knows that but is too afraid of Ba and how he might react.
6 santonthenewmaldini // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:31 PM
Think the worst thing we done was bring on Taylor as that gave the Scum crowd a lift should have put Perch to CB and then brought Anita on
Got to be happy we never got beat but raging at Tiote because we would have pounded them so glad we never bought Johnson he is a poor mans Ben Arfa
Under Oneill Sunderland will play that way all season we will still finish higher because we have a much better team
Also really we cant defend Jonas anymore he was SHITE today the worst i have seen him cant make a pass does not win free kicks restricts Santon as well cause the young lad has to worry about him these days used to be the other way about but Santon was immense today and Simpson and Williamson were solid so much better with Colo at the back!!!
Anita Perch and Cabaye in the 3 man Midfield for next game against West Brom has to be the way forward and if we get results well Tiote should not get back in the team
7 seancavaz // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Warriors the lot of them! Bigi in for the Weat Brom game! Gotta say Colo was immense today, the difference he brings simply by keeping his foot on the ball and bringing in Cabaye and Ben Arfa by playing it to feet, he was the difference! But need to give a shout out to Santon as well. This lad for me has been the pick so far this season, and you can all ridicule me, but the Maldini comparisons are starting to be seen. Inside, outside, pace, the lad has it all, can only get better, just hope his Geordie girlfriend keeps him hrounded
8 Novocastrian66 // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Bills-son. I thought the red was harsh. The point I was making was I don’t believe the ref would have made the same decision if the situation was reversed.
The Larson assault on Shola is evidence of this. I did not think that was a red but it should have resulted in a yellow card.
9 toonking // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:36 PM
@santon
the WBA game is the game i think shane ferguson should start. it was so stupid of pardew starting him against a team like manure and he could not do as good as he would have like but when we play WB they won’t have a top class FB so we should start fergie in LM.
10 toonking // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM
team for thursday
______harp
tav perch willo jonas
obatan tiote marvo
_sammy___cisse
_______shola
saturday
krul
simmo saylor colo san
HBA cabaye anita fergy
_____ba cisse
11 boater // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Tsunki – the reason I didn’t mention Larrson’s wild challenge was for the same reason I wasn’t particularly interested in going into the Tiote red. Refereeing decisions are a random, unavoidable facet of any football game – some go your way (Everton’s ‘non-goal’ and Reading’s ‘offside’ winner) and some don’t – as with today. Apart from a way for fans to vent their spleen – there’s little point in worrying about it and nothing to be gleaned in the long run- our interest is that of NUFC and how Pardew deploys his men for battle. On this occasion (and speaking as a big fan of AP) I thought we threw the win as a result of Pardew’s more negative, reactive tactical approach. Introducing a converted right-back in defensive midfield at the expense of a genuine target man that would have alleviated pressure and given us an outlet, merely compounded the loss of Tiote.
People saying we would have run out 3-0 winners with Tiote. I honestly felt we would have hung on to the win with bolder (or no) substitutions – aside from the unavoidable one in defense.
12 LGFUAD21 // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM
At first I though Tiote shouldbt have gone off. It looked like an accident and he was merely fighting for the ball which he wouldve had at his feet were in not for Colback.
On replay though, he acted foolishly. I knew he would. And his actions created a bias in the ref against us.
13 boater // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM
* make that Ba’s handball goal against Reading.
14 ArtyH // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:52 PM
The sending off was a disgrace, Tiote did not follow through, yes it was high but he could claim he was off balance after having the shirt pulled off his back. TBH it was a yellow at best but made great media for the $hite who commentate on $ky. They all hate the toon and cannot resist a back handed slapp every other minute. Do think Shola should have stayed on though at the expence of Benny who IMHO was not at his best today. Even worse Benny was replaced by Obertan who is never even going to tackle a five year old, hawaye man lets get a grip.
15 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:53 PM
What I can’t understand is how can people say tiote’s foul was that bad.
He didn’t stamp or take his studs, yes he was high and he left his foot in, could easily have avoided it so always running the risk of a red.
But surely a full of stud up challenge in the chest is just as bad. A studs up challenge low down could break a leg but a studs up challenge around the chest/neck/head could cause even more damage.
16 boater // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:53 PM
Ashton – couldn’t agree more. When I saw Perch being readied I knew what was coming – sit off with 10 men away from home for over an hour. We handed the opposition the incentive too early. By asking ba or Shola to drop back until half time, keep some attacking threat and we could have seen what was really needed on the pitch. Had we conceded before half time we then look to hold them off.
17 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Overall though the performance was good.
We had to bring a striker off as we needed the 4 in midfield so that was a good move.
I thinks pardew hoped Ba would maybe have that bit of magic or be clinical of he got a chance. And in fairness he did well, had a could chance with he ball over the top from cabaye but just disnt have the room between himself and the keeper to touch it round the defender.
Very unlucky to concede as they were limited to only 2 shots on goal, nothing you would call clear cut either.
18 MagPieMan // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:56 PM
My team for Thursday:
—————————–Eliot
—–taverniere—-Perch—-Wiliamson—-Ferguson
———————tiote——–Bigi
——-Obertan—–Amalfitano—-Marveaux
————————–Shola
Now that Vucic, Gosling and Taylor are injured, we are lacking cover in central midfield. It maybe time to play Amalfitano
19 check the toastie // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:58 PM
Shola is not the man for holding out for 70 minutes, i am not a big Pardew fan and question his tactics constantly, but anybody thinking we would have done any better with a midfield 3 of Jonas(past it) Benny and Cabaye are living in cloud cuckoo land.
Perch was superb, and really if it was not for a bit of bad luck we would have seen out the win comfortably, people need to praise the team for the effort they put in and Perch in CM was key to that.
20 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:58 PM
Boater
In fairness tiote was sent off 24th minute.
Perch came on in the 37th
So pardew did give it 10 mins to see how we were coping with the 3 in midfield.
21 magpiebop // Oct 21, 2012 at 4:59 PM
Still waiting for the metro to leave Scumberland.
22 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:01 PM
Check
Spot on. And it’s not like a game away at say villa where pardew could maybe gamble and keep both forwards on.
It was derby game and with us having the lead he had to shut up shop. If he kept them both on and we for overran and lost the game he would have been slated.
Sometimes you just have to accept that you need to shut up shop, defend well and come out fighting next time.
23 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:02 PM
pards” very proud of my players” true – they played the best they could under the circumstances. however, imo pards cost us a win today. 3 points learned today
1 BA is not a defender. what on earth was he doing that deep ?
2 tiote must go in summer.
3. our colours are black and white- play in them. pards handed the psychological advantage to the mackems the moment we walked out the dressing room. seeing vomit green shirts – shirts that look like should be worn by a conference side, coming running towards you, dosnt quite have the same impact as having the the black and white stripes of the mighty magpies coming at you, ok scrap the mighty, but you know where im coming from. pards wants to stick to managing and forget the PR. another pards blunder, he took the wrong man off. BA should have been subbed, he was knackered The mackems must have sighed a sigh of relief when shola went off. tiote is a liability . all in all .pards blew it today big style he is a very lucky man we managed a draw. a good side would have tonked us today luckily it was only sunderland.
24 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:04 PM
Remember the Manchester derby last year that city won 6-1.
Man utd were a man down, decided to go for it, conceded 3 late goals which ultimately were the different in where the title went.
A lot of ex pros and pundits were saying man utd should have just held, especially after the 4th goal went and ruined any chane of a comeback.
25 APBWA // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:05 PM
I cant believe the pardew bashing! its ludicrous, we can’t play a game with 3 in midfield when ben arfa doesnt know a thing about defending, so we would have had a poor jonas and cabaye, which would have been easily overrun. Excellent decisions by pardew, except i would have kept coloccini on despite his niggle, he was a class act
26 Jonny // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:05 PM
Not having the “tiote must go” comment.
27 nufc786 // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:06 PM
23
1. as i recall tiote was sent off and we were a man down ba was doing all he could for us including defending and attacking at the same time……..
2. let us remid ourselves who really tiote is………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51h9GM6sHSo&feature=fvwp
3. Just To Clarify: NUFC not able to wear black shorts and socks. Would not be allowed by PL.
28 rainrix // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:06 PM
Jesus, was that ref from pennywell? Horrible showing from him.
29 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:07 PM
Stuart
I too think pardew makes some odd decisions at times.
But today Ba was the man to keep on. He had no support, so I presume shola wouldn’t have had any either.
Therefore I would prefer Ba to be up here as he is more likely to make something out of nothing or a half chance than shola is.
30 Magpies-till-d3ath // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:08 PM
The fact that it was Ba that scored the O.G is unfair, thought he was absolutely brilliant today! As well as Coloccini!
31 nico // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:10 PM
People are criticising Pards for making a sub when down to 10 men. I think he got it spit on, Perch was immense. Made some great tackles and closed down well. And we were 5 mins away from pinching it. They only had 2 attempts at goal.
Tiotes tackle wasn’t a red in my oppinion. He was off balance trying to kick the ball off the ground, he misses it by a fraction. Larson studded Shola in the neck, not even a yellow. All them idiots in the studio can do one.
32 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:10 PM
I know what Stuart is getting at about tiote.
I think he needs a kick up the backside. A good few games he has played this year he keeps having niggling fouls on dangerous areas, leaving his foot in (a red was inevitable sooner or later) and a worst of all he holds possession too long deep in our half and puts pressure on himself and the team when he loses it there.
He isn’t a bad player all of a sudden, not sure what’s causing it, but he needs to sort himself out and hopefully this suspension can help him see that.
33 boater // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:10 PM
In principle it’s sensible to sacrifice a striker in that situation – but we handed a stuttering sunderland side the chance to hold a high line, pass the ball around and removed our own outlet. Pardew is a smashing manager – we have some talented players, maybe this is the wrong occasion to be making the point – I just wish we would allow ourselves to think big. Pardew’s fist punch at the away end really annoyed me – can you imagine Wenger or Fergie doing that having just conceded a win with minutes left on the clock?
34 nufc786 // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:10 PM
http://www.nufcblog.com/2012/10/21/confusing-reason-put-out-for-change-of-newcastle-strip/
35 toonking // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:12 PM
transfer
you are spot on with what you said post 24 pardew know we a goal ahead and now sunderland were sure to start charging i was suprised oneil didn’t bring a 3rd forward on quicker and go 4-3-3.
last year sunderland were down to 10 men because of clattermole but still got a draw because they sat back and i think it also happened with england in the world cup.
36 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:13 PM
boater ok I think we disagree on this one, in the end of the day I am disappointed with the lost points but with ten men always inevitable.
Still dont get the ‘custodian’ comment though – are you actually implying that I think anyone actually takes notice of me or values what I say? Hmm dunno ’bout that like
37 beefman13 // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:15 PM
We were in total control of that game until you know what, it spoit the game for me as i knew it would be backs against the wall stuff most of the second half,
Tiote is definatly one of my favs at the toon, but being a proffesional footballer he has got to show restraint
Yea its the way he plays but that is going to have to be more controlled as we all are going to get affected by this sort of discipline.
38 Ketsbaia9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:15 PM
We did well today and would’ve got 3 points if Tiote wouldn’t have been sent off. Coloccini was our best player. Simpson let us down in attacking positions today. his final ball was dire. Williamson couldn’t clear his lines properly. Ba had a decent game. Was a bit unfortunate about the goal though. We will finish 10th this season.
39 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:15 PM
Toonking
Sometimes it’s not pretty and as fans we want to see our team dominate an win derbies but at the same time we have to be careful.
The only reason pardew is getting criticism for bringing shola off is not because it wasn’t tactically sound, but because Sunderland were so poor they wouldn’t have attacked and created much if we had 8 men on the field.
Pardew will have expected Sunderland to commit more forward but they didn’t, they just passed around, in front of our 2 banks of 4 and did nothing with the ball.
40 bollance // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:17 PM
Suprised Tiote got a red. From looking at the replay the ref is unsighted by colback and the lines man and 4th official do not indicate anything untoward to the ref.
But Pards suggests we wont challenge it so that indicates that it is clear cut and should have been a red.
I read on here lots of people saying Tiote would get red. You were right.
That will hurt tiote a lot because he seems to love nufc.
41 L.ARAVIND // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:19 PM
sad to see newcastle miss out 3 points today.we deserved that win,,but in the end that terrible own goal from ba has ruined our dream.
Ba was really good with the ball,but ups and downs happen in the game.my only concern is that newcastle have won fewer games this season.we must improve our game at any chance,,but its really painful to see 1-1 draw.i m ver upset…lets hope newcastle starts their winning ways from next game week.PLEASE!!! ALL TO CHEER UP FOR NEWCASTLE. LET US FIGHT FOR A TOP 5 FINISH THIS SEASON….
42 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM
jonny.@26 nufc are not exactly blessed with world class players. the ones we do have need to be on the pitch not sitting watching from the stands. what has tiote done this season? nowt basically. he is a great player,but only in flashes. today he cost us a win, without a doubt. yeah ok it was a bit harsh, but you look back at every game he has played this season , and he could easily have been off in every single one. we cant afford his raging attitude , we are down a good player now for 3 games, sell- get sombody in who we know will be playing the following week.
43 toonking // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM
the best way to look at this ameobi sub is to remember the simple fact newcastle have got a midweek game and pardew will want the likes of ameobi fully fit and ready for that game so why risk him getting tired or injured today when we are 1-0 ahead down to 10 and will be sitting back.
44 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:21 PM
Ketsy I take it all back I said you wouldnt come on today but you did. And with your usual tripe. Simmo’s forward runs were mercifully few, and for a fb no more dire than anyone elses. I fail to see what willo could do to appease you after today, save morph into scharner and wear a gimp suit for you.
45 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:21 PM
Stuartno.9
Really? Your blaming kit selection on pards?
46 Grafton83 // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:21 PM
Tiote man, we gain little advantage from him fouling someone every two minutes. You didn’t need a crystal ball to see he was going to pick up a red soon he needs to calm down as he is a liability and has been everytime he’s played this season.
If Chelsea ever find that 20m I keep hearing about I’d bite thier hand off for it, Bigi is a ready made replacement anyway. He needs to get it sorted or they’ll be more reds. Very frustrating!
47 bollance // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:21 PM
TransferSage
It was a tough call for Pards. He knew that Ba would go nuts if taken off plus Ba is our top scorer.
If we had one player best suited to playing the target man vs 2-3 mackems it was shola. But how long would he have lasted?
But Ba did work his socks off and got a lot of kicks for the cause. tough game for him on his own.
48 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:21 PM
stuart no9
“Tiote must go”???????? Are you stupid? He is one of the best DM in the world and this is the first time he has been sent off for us in a league game.
Some of our fans are so stupid.
49 toonking // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:22 PM
btw everton have just had a man sent off so lets see if everton still leave both forwards on knowing QPR are bottom, of table.
50 Novocastrian66 // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:23 PM
You can guarantee that Tiote would not pick up half the bookings he does if he were playing for one of the more “fashionable” clubs.
He is impetious at times and it costs him and us. He definitely needs to try and control himself. His disciplinary record may prevent a big move for him.
51 santonthenewmaldini // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:24 PM
Think Tiote has been rattled because he is getting little niggly injuries and he now sees genuine competition in his position which is maybe why he is making silly challenges and trying to make an impression
A 3 game ban might do him the world of good although is he not also a yellow card away from another 4 game ban as well?
Was one of the 1st games where we have kept the ball well when we were at 11 players even Williamson and Simpson where playing balls on the deck
Its so annoying as just got off the Yahoo forum and the Sunderland fans are acting like O Neill is the saviour they were so lucky today although he tends to do well for every team he manages in derbies but he is so jammy!!!
Quite glad the games are coming thick and fast so we can forget about it roll on Brugge on Thursday if we get 3 points there that will be us practically qualified
52 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:27 PM
felt sorry for tim krul, nothing really to save and then a bullet deflection. I notice he has a great awareness of his posts, the only two shots that scraped by him he pulled his hands away so as not to concede the corner.
53 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:27 PM
Ashton
Tiote is not one of the best dm’s on the world.
He is good and effective but no where near the likes of a makelele who was world class.
Tiote needs to improve his decision making (he holds the ball too long in Dangerous places, turns a lot in our half when not needed), passing isn’t great (doesn’t always get his head up early enough and leads to him keeping hold and slowing moves) but when he gets his head up he can pass a ball well.
And his attitude this season is weird, he has gone over the top with passion and aggression and I genuinely fear he will be sent off whenever I watch him.
Saying that i do like him and he is a good player, just not a great player
54 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:28 PM
Pardew was right in sacrificing one of our strikers for Perch but he replaced the wrong striker. Ba should’ve been the one being replaced. Shola would’ve been far more effective both offensively and defensively for our team than Ba but Pardew didn’t want to upset him.
55 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM
NUFC786@27 your remarks on BA are true. thats why he was knackered and should have been replaced. i am not blaming him for the goal , it was one of those things, but he shouldnt have been there in the first place , we have others who should have seen the danger. – also again you are right when you say we couldnt wear the black shorts and socks. but we could have worn the top ! . we have a good record against the mackums in our black and white kit , why change it??????
56 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:30 PM
Transfer Sage
List three Dm who are better than him in the league.
57 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:32 PM
Ashton I dont think Shola was destined for the full game whatever happened. for me, Cisse would have come on after half time for him had tiote stayed on. With 10 men it would have been increasingly unlikely that shola would have lasted past the first half, we would effectively end up with 9 men when he inevitably tired.
58 gringo burt // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:32 PM
a thought there would be a red card today,when catamole wasnt playing a thought tiote,and true to my word he is off. dont get me wrong hes a good player but to what expense,for me vhe hasnt started this season,along with a few more,so if good money comes in for him then i would let him go,. moneyball effect.i am a big fan of tiote but a think it could be time up,but hope not and he can find some form
59 puretoon // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:33 PM
For all of you sayin Ba should’ve been subbed instead of Shola, I think you’re wrong. Shola went for the ref – unbelievable- so got booked for dissent. To save him gettin booked again Pards took him off and brought Perch on to shore midfield up and he did a damn good job too. Can you imagine Shola putting same work rate in as Ba? I don’t think so. And the way Shola stomped off down the tunnel, he didn’t do himself any favours.
Pards got it spot on for whole game.
60 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:33 PM
Ashton
How do you know that’s the reason?
Maybe he wanted to keep our top scorer on, maybe he wanted to have somebody a little more inventive as the lone striker, maybe he thought shola couldn’t last 90 minutes.
People seem to presume pardew does things for the sake of it, he was manager of the year last season, got us to 5th so we should trut his judgement, especially when we were on control of the game with the exception of a deflected equaliser.
Pardew obviously has some faults but his faith in Ba and plying him centrally is being rewarded, he has 6 goals this season.
Also if he is dropped when in good form why would he hang around in January if n offer came in for him from a in that would play him every week?
61 L.ARAVIND // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:34 PM
aston
tiote is very agressive,,he is better player in newcastle..we dont need him to be transferred,but he must certainly change his aggressiveness,,he let us down today,hope he understands from the mistakes..we must be lucky he was not sent off in the previous game against man u. hope pardew makes best out of him..
62 toonking // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:35 PM
ashton best in the league and best in the world are two totally differant things cabaye is more like a best in the world than tiote, why else would he be a barca and manure target yet tiote only wanted by chelsea.
63 L.ARAVIND // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:37 PM
guys!!! do u have faith in newcastle finishing in top 5 this season?
64 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:37 PM
Bit early to write tiote off though. He’s trying too hard. But I think his commitment with a bit of discretion is something that enthuses the team. If Tiote had stayed on I wonder if Cabs would have been favourite for a couple of yellows, he certainly worked his ticket today the little beggar. And speaking of workytickets, what about HBA? he was a fantastic nuisance and actually did an out-of-skin job at covering back and harrying.
65 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:38 PM
Ashton
You said best in world not league but ok.
Gareth Barry
Yaya toure
Scott Parker
They all defend well, maybe not look as tough as tiote but do well. They also offer more on the ball, passing, goals, set pieces.
Can name a lot more world wide.
66 L.ARAVIND // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:39 PM
was it ameobi or ba who gave that assist to cabayes goal?
67 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:39 PM
transfer @29 i understand it is a matter of opinion who should be replaced and who should stay on, however i think the sunderland goal scorer would convince me who should have been replaced . i dont think BA will ever do anything like that again. he was running on adrenaline, not realising the situation around him. shola might not be the best but i have never seen him score an own goal.
68 check the toastie // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:41 PM
Ashton – there arnt many midfielders in the league who are like for like with Tiote, there are many who have outplayed him and given him the runaround over the last 12 months, people on here are so biased, i cant actually remember the last time in the PL were our midfield took the game by the scruff of the neck.
Tiote is good at what he does now and then, however he lacks in other departments, other sides dont play with out and out DM, most of the top teams just play with a ball player in front of their back 4, as keeping the ball is more important than trying to win it back.
For me cabaye is much more improtant to the team than Mr T, he presses the ball higher up the pitch and is so much better on the ball.
This might hurt some people but he was pretty much outplayed by twattermole at St James Park last year, he needs to start playing like he was 18 months ago and stop thinking he is some sort of Hardman, he is not as shown by his dive against the Scum last year..
69 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:41 PM
Stuart
The own goal was not ba’s fault
The ball came over a player and hit him, he didn’t try a rash clearance and slice it on the net. Whoever was there for us would have conceded it
70 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:42 PM
Transfer Sage
Just because he was manager of the year last season does not make him immune to criticism. Oh and Joe Kinnear won that same award and everyone knows he is a dumb manager with sh(t tactics. And just the fact that Ba was totally wasteful and scored a bloody own goal proves that with Shola the chances of us doing better were perhaps a lot greater.
71 nufc786 // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:43 PM
stuart no9 54
true.
i didnt say tht we should wear couldnt wear black shorts and socks the PL did otherwise i would say buy all the team white shorts from SD hehe…….
but yeah ba worked his butt of……… pardew didnt want to risk cisse to come on…. probably thought it was too intense for him…… but if cisse did score against the scum tht would of got his season off and running im sure… but it wasnt to be…….
72 Ketsbaia9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:44 PM
Anita is better than Tiote. The only reason why Pardew hasn’t been starting him is because his wife has recently given birth. Marveaux isn’t getting a game because Gutierrez is better at tracking back. Marveaux has more ability going forward.
Saylor should’ve started today ahead of Williamson. If Williasmon wasn’t playing, we wouldn’t have conceded that late goal. Simpson just doesn’t do enough in games to get praise. What a poor player.
Ba, Krul, Santon and Coloccini were our stand out players today. Everyone else was mediocre.
73 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:46 PM
Transfer Sage
Gareth Barry !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol this is a joke right?
Yaya toure is not a DM he is more of a box to box midfielder and he plays in a much more advanced role than Tiote
Scott Parker again lol he only runs around like a headless chicken and does his trademark 360 degree turns and pass the ball backwards.
74 toonking // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM
ashton have you ever been on here in the past because others havee been on here for quite a few years and had pardew left shola on the pitch and decided to take off ba this blog would have been so much more negative about the subs accusing pardew of being an idiot for leaving shola on the pitch.
75 L.ARAVIND // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM
only 2 wins in 8 games,,not a good sign..we should have won games against reading,aston villa…its time to play cool and raise our game, and find a solution to this issue..it is gonna be testing time for pardew,,lets wait and see whether he lift the team..and moreover someone has quoted that newcastle might finish 10th..its of no use finishin in that position. after our last seasons brillant run we should be somewhere in top 6.
76 check the toastie // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM
I must be missing something here, was Ba shit after Tiote got sent off – No he wasnt he was excellent, Shola struggles to play 45 minutes with a partner so why would he have been good by himself,
It is a stupid argument as ba was superb grafted hard put himself in all the right positions to link with Benny, so whats the problem,
Some people are discussing things that dont even warrent discussion, Ba or Shola, come on are you taking the p1ss.
77 toonLYF // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:48 PM
just wanted to give a special mention to Ben Arfa, who after the sending off, put in some workrate down that right side helping out Simpson; yes his creative game suffered, but he was almost always an outlet, and defended superbly.
Colo – Master.
Simmo – Battler.
Willo – A unit, looked twice the player with Colo next to him.
Santon – Our best player other than Colo, superb and had Johnson in his back pocket.
78 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:50 PM
check the toastie
The reason why our midfield hasn’t taken any game by the scruff of the neck recently is because of Pardew’s tactics and 442 formation. And the fact that in every game they are outnumbered in midfield.
79 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:51 PM
Ashton
Barry must be doing something right.
Plays a lot of games for the league champions so not that bad.
80 toonking // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:51 PM
ket that last comment you made proves to everyone just hope childish you r cabaye scored the goal that got us in front simmo was given so much pressure from the widemen while willo was the only CB really fit so for us to come away with a draw and almost win it was excellent the only idiots today are tiote and you.
81 Ketsbaia9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:54 PM
And yourself for being offensive towards me for no particular reason. You need to focus on talking about NUFC and not other people.
We will struggle over the course of the season as we have not strengthened in important areas.
82 nufc786 // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:54 PM
and here come kets……..
right without willo im sure sunderland would have scored 2 or 3 goals with out his clearances and last ditch tacks same with simmo……. with out him blocking crosses and he did keep mclean realativly quiet………
you may have ur view but in no way shape or form are you a proper supporter in my book tht backs the full team when it is needed…..
they worked there @rses of just for us for not to blow it when tiote was caught wrong day wrong time, wrong place
sometimes constructive criticism is whats needed but not bashing players not whats needed at times but hey what ever floats your boat……
83 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:54 PM
toonking
Shola has been playing very well this season. And he offers something different to our team. He is a target man and can play well as a lone striker unlike Ba he is also very helpful to our team defensibly. I’ve also been here for 5 years now and I’ve criticized him before A LOT! but this season he has been very good.
84 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:55 PM
toonking@42 – i am sure todays game is a lot more important than our mid week one mate.against the mackums we HAVE to win regardless of who we play in mid week
85 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:56 PM
Ketsy just can it for goodness sake, what on eath are you talking about? Please illustrate your scenario of Willo being THE player at fault for the goal. Also how many interceptions and tackles did you miss in the meantime? You are a cracked record mate and totally transparent.
Ashton – Ba wasteful and cost us a goal? very selective. But hey, lets drop Ba he is now officially rubbish lol.
86 toonking // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:58 PM
well ashton we all have opinion and i was in favour of pardew with all but one decision and that decision was starting tiote.
ameobi coming off will men he is will not feel so fatigued come thursday, although he has 3 days before then he still has training to do and who’s to say he might have got a red himself had he stayed on .
87 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 5:59 PM
Transfer Sage
Is that why they brought two DMs in the summer? If he is as good as you think he is why would they spend so much money on two different DMs and why isn’t he a starter for England?? Is England that good that there is no place for the best DM in the league in the team???
Do you even know what you are talking about??
88 WWYCD // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:02 PM
I do enjoy some of the comments on here top quality comedy in places
89 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:02 PM
Ketsy – and the fact you say by omission that Cabaye was mediocre shows you dont actually watch the games, do you? Why are you surprised when people become insulting,when you are doing it to everyones intelligence?
90 rainrix // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:03 PM
I think thats the 1st time kets has actually directed a comment back at someone on here.
91 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:04 PM
TDS – whos decision was it then to change the shirts ?
92 check the toastie // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:04 PM
Ashton – i agree that 442 is a disaster for us if Ba and Cisse are played together, however even when Pardew starts to play formation bingo during games we still lack possession, i will admit that this is probably not down to Check, however as i say other top teams have ball players in front of their back 4,
Man City – yesterday Milner – Yaya
Man Utd – yesterday Carrick, Cleverly, other days Giggs Scholes
Arsenal – Ramsey – Cazorla – Diaby – Wilshere
Tottenham – Sandro – Livermore – Huddlestone
Chelsea – Mikel – Lampard – Ramires
The only other DM in the league who almost plays like Tiote is Mikel (less Mobile but steady) however everybody else in the chelsea team barring the CB’s (who also score goals) are allowed to go forward.
Pardew has Mr T sitting, Jonas is knackered, Benny is covering full back. Pardew indeed needs to change the 442, the sooner the better, it is outdated and as you say is one of the reasons why we dont ever dominate possession and win games clearly.
Maybe Cheick is getting sick of chasing the ball around all the time, we give it away all to cheaply.
93 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:04 PM
Tsunki
Way to misunderstand everything. We had to drop a striker. Which striker is the question here. It should’ve been Ba because he struggles when he play upfront by himself anlike Shola who is a legit target man and would’ve been more helpful to our team both offensively and defensively.
94 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:05 PM
rainrix – I think you are right I just wish he’d do it more at least we would know what makes him tick
95 Ketsbaia9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:05 PM
A centre-half should command the 18 yard box. Williamson should’ve been in Ba’s position, so the lack of positioning and communication has cost us the goal. I’m also surprised Danny ‘super’ Simpson would standing on the goal-line behind Krul to clear the ball, so that’s also his fault for not doing his regular job.
96 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:07 PM
Ashton
Do you?
He was very good at villa and a key man at city. He has played a lot this year despite their two new signings.
Also I never said he was the best in the league. I said he was better than tiote.
And I think yaya toure is also, and yes he does play as a dm, but he also can play further up when needed.
And I was just pointing out tiote isn’t in the top ten best dm in the world.
He is good, but not world class.
97 rainrix // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:08 PM
Tsunki… I think youd end up mentally scarred uf you saw what goes on in his head
98 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:08 PM
check the toastie
And that’s all Pardew’s fault. The only game where we played well this season was the Bordeaux game and guess what was our formation on that day?
99 AmericanGeordie // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:08 PM
Because of his reputation Tiote was shown a red card for a challenge that is a yellow for almost any other player in the EPL. HOWEVER, it is a reputation that he has earned for his history of rash challenges.
The card was unfair to NUFC, but probably balancing the scales of justice for Tiote. Just saying’…….
100 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:11 PM
Ketsy – total genius (slowly claps hands)
I stand in awe of logic that Einstein would have choked on. Bravo.
101 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:12 PM
Transfer Sage
lol You listed thous three because you think they are the best in their position in the league. But Tiote is better than Parker and Barry. Toure doesn’t play as a DM for city because he isn’t a DM.
lol
102 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:12 PM
AmericanGeordie – that about sums it up. Karma they might say.
103 jesperfuglsang // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:14 PM
That was really not a great game today. Kudos to Pardew for saying itwas a fair red card (I still believe it was a bit harsh).
We weren’t great today besides from the goal and few passes and touches.
Sunderland were a bore.
The refs; I won’t blame a match on the ref but this was one questionable effort!
Even before the incidense we didn’t create much though I liked Shola’s hold up game
and after Tiote left we looked like we were two men down for the btter part of the second half.
Maybe i just need to clear my head – I am sure I can come up with something positive for tomorrow
(don’t like being this doom and gloom 
) lol
104 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:15 PM
Stuart
It was the leagues decision we dont have any light shorts with any of out kits so had to wear the away kit as all our away shorts are dark theres only on team in the league thats allowed to decide which shirt they wear away and thats reading league rules are hardly pardews fault
105 check the toastie // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:15 PM
In hindsight maybe having a go at Mr T regarding the last time we dominated possession was harsh, it probably has nothing to do with him, he has been carrying one or two, (unfortunately Jonas is now in this category, he is knackered and can only now see him being useful at full back, his legs have gone).
Need to play 4231, with Mr T and Anita in front of the back 4, Cabs pushed forward.
106 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:17 PM
Ashton
Toure does play there actually. They play with two holding then silva and nasri in front with tevez and aguero up top.
He often end the game further forward if needed but he is a dm. And even if he doesn’t play that position all the time doesn’t mean he is bad, I said he was better than tiote there.
Tiote is where Parker was a few years ago. When Parker was with us he was sloppy, turned on the ball a lot and wasted possession. He improved at west ham and is even better at Spurs.
I’m not for one minute saying tiote is a million miles away from them, he is still relatively young and will no doubt improve the next couple years and could become a top level player but at the moment he isn’t there for me.
107 toonking // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:20 PM
tiote i would say is a DM who is very good but his attitude is what seperates him from world class DM, the problem come once tiote gets booked we are forced to use cabaye jonas and HBA more defensive otherwise there would be so many more game that tiote would get sent off. so for that reason tiote is not a world class CDM yet.
108 warwick // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:21 PM
How any can have a go at pardew is beyond me.
Negative when down to ten men for most of the game is just a mad statement to make.
We did well, tbh the whole derby and atmosphere didn´t really have any bite today, was mediocre as a spectacle imo.
Got to be happy with a point but not at the timing it came.
Sunderland were fucking shite against ten men absolutely pathetic.1
109 JDdubai // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:21 PM
We deserved to win, mackems were really poor. Just luck going against us today, and the poorest ref iv seen this season. Not complaining about the red card but the rest of the game he was very pro sunderland.
Tiote has been crap this season, starting to believe the hype about him and going into stupid tackles, he now has te reputation so a yellow like today becomes a red because of who it is. Not right but its his own fault, he could have been snt off a few times this season now. Needs his head sorting out or be sold as he is becoming a liability.
Though Ba battled well, jonas played well but only coz we had our backs to the wall so running and closing down was all we needed from him.
Colo fantastic, been a big miss. Willo played well too, under the circumstances no-one played that badly.
Tiote to blame for not winning, i hope the team make him aware of it also.
110 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:22 PM
Toonking
I think that’s a fair comment. Although in his defence he does seen to control himself when gets the first yellow.
Tackling wise he is very good, sometimes rash but usually in control, it’s just other attributes of the position I think he needs to work on.
111 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:23 PM
ASHTON@47 regarding tiote, 25 yellows in 50 games 2 sendings off + bans for picking up so many points ??????? not exactly mother theresa is he ????????? or is that just me being stupid. say hello to him next week when you see him in the stands. shake his hand and thank him for the point today!!!!!!
112 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:24 PM
Transfer Sage
Toure plays as a Box-to-box midfielder. His primery job isn’t breaking up the play. Tiote’s is and he is the best at breaking and retaining possession in the league. And his passing is also very good.
You are an idiot.
113 magpie6699 // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:25 PM
So Demba Ba is top scorer for us and 2nd top scorer for the Mackems! Says it all! Haven’t watched the game yet (recorded) although good old BBC news showed only the Blunderland goal. Sounds like we did OK and for all the huff and puff from them before the game we seemed like the more composed side.
Moving on – who for the Europa? Harps, Bigi, Anita, Perchinho, Saylor, Obertan, Cisse, Fergie or if Tiote is elogible should we play him and not risk someone we might need for the next league games?
114 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:26 PM
Dubai
Good assessment.
Players like tiote, cattermole, shawcross get a reputation in the papers as being tough tacklers and pick up cards easier. Same as Suarez has now dived so much genuine fouls on him will get missed.
The problem I have is the media and then seemingly the refs punish players from us, stoke, Sunderland, lesser teams then somebody like Scholes who tackles bad every week is just laughed off as not a problem and he is deemed to be clumsy not violent or cynical
115 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:30 PM
stuart no9
You want to get rid of him because he got sent of once in the league in almost 3 years! You are the epitome of stupid. His job is destroying the opposition’s play and getting sent off once every three years is an amazing achievement.
116 check the toastie // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM
Transfer Sage – Ashton
Any comparison with Yaya is futile, he is head and shoulders above Tiote in any postion he would decide to play, the guy is immense, you are arguing about nowt.
117 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:32 PM
Ashton quality posting mate saying everyone who disagrees is stupid etc. Keep it up.
118 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:33 PM
Ashton
Getting personal as your argument is falling apart.
Toure can play In many positions, he is not just a dm but when r does play there he breaks up play and does well.
Tiote does break up play but gives away needless fouls and also give away possession.
Read what I have said properly, I said tiote can pass well but he doesn’t get his head up early enough a lot of the time, he dallies on the ball and gives it away in dangerous areas.
He can play a great pass, as seen in the reading game, but he doesn’t do it often enough.
And you claimed he was one of the worlds best, he isn’t, simple fact.
Better players in his position.
Busquets
Mascherano
De Rossi
Yan mvilla
Just off the top of my head, there are many more
119 Ketsbaia9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:35 PM
Don’t forget Anita.
120 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:36 PM
Check
I was just trying to prove he wasn’t in the same category as the worlds best.
But as I have said he is young, started in a lesser league so he is learning and improving as he goes in one of the best leagues in the world.
When he is 26/7 there is no reason he can’t be world class.
121 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:36 PM
check – exactly. There are a good few mids in the prem alone who are not necessarily pigeonholed as either defensive or attacking but are versatile enough to incorporate both in their game as they dictate. Yaya Toure is a very good example. Tiote is well down the order and is unfortunately showing to be a bit one-dimensional, although I have faith he will start to learn lessons soon enough, he still has time.
122 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:36 PM
Tsunki
Stuart is saying that we should get rid of Tiote because he got sent off. I can’t take people like this seriously and I call them what they are.
Transfer Sage just doesn’t comprehend that Toure doesn’t play in the same position as Tiote no matter how I try.
There is a deference between disagreeing and acting stupid.
123 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:37 PM
Kets
I do like Anita. I am looking forward til he is fully settled in and gets his way into the team and can start influencing the side
124 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:38 PM
Ashton
Why can’t you see toure plays more than one position?
Players are not locked to one position. When he plays the dm role he is better at it than tiote.
125 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:40 PM
Ketsy, cut and paste this comment, stick it n a word doc, make the font bigger, print it out and put it in a nice frame to pin on your Thomas the Tank Engine Wallboard – I agree with your comment @113, given Anita plays more games and comes up to speed in the prem. I love the TankMan but Anita promises to be better all round when he fires from both barrels.
126 check the toastie // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:43 PM
Think a team can accommodate a Tiote type player if he is surrounded by talented forward thinking players, currently most of our midfield four sit on our back 4, this is not the way forward, as i say hopefully this season we wil evolve into more of a football team.
Team i would play.
Krul
Santon Collo Saylor Jonas
Tiote Anita
Cabaye Benny Sammy/Fergy
Ba/Cisse
Benny and Cabs could swap now and then, Think Sammy has a massive future, about time he got a start.
127 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:43 PM
Transfer Sage
Tiote is better than Yaya at breaking and retaining possession. Therefore he is a better DM. Also how am I losing this argument??? I told you to list three DM who are better than him in the league you list Parker, Barry and Toure who isn’t a DM. You think of Parker and Barry and rate them as the best in the league. You are wrong and I proved decent argument as to why you are wrong but you ignored them.
Also Tiote is better at retaining possession, tackling and destroying opposition’s play than all of the players you’ve listed. And those qualities are the most important for a DM.
128 toonking // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:44 PM
correcting my comment earlier about world class players at newcastle it is not one but two world class players cabaye being one and krul is the other.
129 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:44 PM
Ashton – yeah stuarts blood is boiling a bit but give him a bit of time I think he will come round.
For the record, Tiote is nowhere near best in the leauge yet. Yet I said. He has undoubted capacity, providing he uses his immense powers for good instead of evil. He’s a bit like The Hulk in the Avengers ha ha. Causes some random damage but in the end you are glad he isnt against you.
130 toonking // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:46 PM
ashton here is a player better than tiote xavi alonso
131 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:47 PM
Tsunki
Who is better than him at what he does best, in the league?
132 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:48 PM
transfer @69 yeah it was bad luck – what im saying is if BA had been replaced he would nt have scored , so it is very unlikely a defender would have been in that exact position as he was at the time, as a proper defender, who does it week in-week out would have read the danger quicker than BA, dont get me wrong i love the bloke, but he should not have been so near to the goal – leave that area to experienced defenders.
133 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:49 PM
toonking
Alonso is a deep-laying-playmaker. He is no where near as good as Tiote in breaking up the play and other things that Tiote does so well which I’m tired to capitalize on, to everyone.
134 Carryingcoals // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:51 PM
Not the biggest fan of commenting on here immediately post match, will probably be around more tomorrow.
I think we can take a lot of positives out of today though, in depth look back @
http://www.carryingcoals.com/?p=288
Today justified why I call Colo our most important player, simply tremendous.
135 Ian Toon // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:54 PM
Jesper- hiya matey. We were really unlucky and had Coloccini not had to go off with cramp we would have won. The og was ball hitting Ba not Ba hitting ball. The defence was superb with our passing game from the back vastly improved. The Mackems totally lacked penetration and I thought Pardew got the substitutions spot on. I thought the ref got the sending off right and Tiote is at a crossroads in terms of needing to control his aggression. Injuries have deprived Pardew of playing 4-2-3-1 and would allow him to lose the claim of being too defensive.
136 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:54 PM
Ashton
Parker is the same as tiote but just a few years down the line with more experience.
And toure breaks up lay a retains it enter when he plays on dm, which he does in a few games.
And he just isn’t in the class of a mascherano, busquets, de Rossi so he is not world class.
If you watch he is sloppy in possession a lot of the time.
137 toonking // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:54 PM
ashton
another think about world class players is they can play in a no. of positions messi and ronaldo for instance can play as front men or midfield
cabaye is so good and wanted by manure and barca because not only does he do well going forward but also is good at holding back. apart from chelsea not one other team has came in for him not even arsenal who had sold fabrigas so why would he be world class when only chelsea offered him cash and even then it was no more than 20 mil.
138 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:58 PM
Ashton – before I get drawn into the same argument you are having with Sagey, let me first examine the ‘what he does best’ statement, because this is the key to what you say is his superiority over other midfielders. What Tiote does best comes at a cost, as evidenced today. He has ridden his luck by tearing in where its not entirely necessary in order to assert his authority in the middle of the park. If it wasnt for injury he would probably been suspended for this game by now. His effectiveness is somewhat diluted by his disciplinary baggage. So I wont fall into the trap of naming any Man U, Chelsea or whatever players whose all-round effectiveness would put him on the bench in our team.
Raylor is one of the best players for set-pieces on his day in the Prem, that’s Raylor doing what he is good at. But he is not the best AM, RW, LW,RB or Keeps in the league by any stretch.
You are just changing your argument.
139 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:58 PM
ketsbaia @ 72 – has pardews wife recently give birth??
140 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM
Also when yaya signed he was a dm but changed over the last few years.
When he was just a dm he was also classy
141 toonking // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:00 PM
well i am going away now as it seems like nothing but tiote world class or not is about all there is being talked about.
142 Ian Toon // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:02 PM
Carrying- when reporting you should not be influenced by how others call the game. Personally though I thought criticism of Pardew in Man U game were justified because he was outsmarted by Ferguson. Today we were quick out of the blocks and looked vastly superior until Tiote’s departure. At the game I called all the moves but would have had Obertan on earlier as a threat through the middle but in the event O’neil was reluctant to press forward. Krul had a quiet afternoon with the Mackems lacking penetration. There a poorer side than I thought.
143 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:03 PM
Transfer Sage
I hate repeating myself so much but you just don’t seem to understand what I’m driving at. I’m going to copy and paste and hope/pray to zulu that you are going to “get it” this time.
(Tiote is better at retaining possession, tackling and being an enforcer,destroying opposition’s play than all of the players you’ve listed. And those qualities are the most important for a DM.)
144 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:03 PM
Anyway Ashton
I think we will have to agree to disagree on tho tiote business.
I am sticking to my guns that he is good, has the potential to be great but currently isn’t here yet.
145 Carryingcoals // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:03 PM
kets
Forgetting simmo and willo for a second, I’d like to ask why you dismiss Cabaye so much
American Geordie
If you’re still on here mate, I’d just like to say I agree with what you said about Tiote. I’ve had a flick through random comments but I can’t keep up when it is immediately post-match!
146 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:06 PM
toonking
So now the reason Tiote is not as good as I think he is is because he can’t play in more than one position. That made laugh. Thank you.
147 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:06 PM
Ashton
I fully understand your point.
I just disagree as think your wrong.
He gives the ball away a lot and does it deep in our own half. He breaks play up as well as those guys but by losing it cheaply puts us back in danger.
148 Carryingcoals // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:07 PM
T’sage
‘I am sticking to my guns that he is good, has the potential to be great but currently isn’t here yet.’
- a very apt assessment, I agree.
149 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:07 PM
toonking – you could chang the subject and save us all from a bitch fight from hell
stuart – yeah hard for the old guy to make the right selections when his wife has a sprog at their age ha ha.
150 wreker16 // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:08 PM
Kets
Simmo was class, kept there best player quiet. Willo can’t be every where at once. On your logic, what about the other centre half saylor is he not as much to blame? Are u saying u thought willo and Simmo played badly today? Please answer me this
151 FatmanJoe // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:10 PM
Tiote’s been terrible since he’s come back into the side and no one deserves an automatic place. Hopefully the 3 game bam will sort out his head coz he’s looked dangerous.
Keeping possession? Not lately.
Felt sickened by the draw but on the plus side today does really make it clear the gulf in class between our two sides. I thought we still looked ok for most the game and for tiote to be off for such a long time and krul to be rarely tested until the end.
Proud of most of them today!
Next up a tricky test against west brom but one we should win
152 ramboreilly // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:11 PM
some of the chants towards s taylor were dusgusting.Especially when he was totally correct,thereis not 1 sunderland olayer wgo could get in our first 11
153 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:13 PM
I was impressed with simmo and willo today…they both wre solid.
Yes I think simmo was poor when putting in the couple of crosses and struggled to dribble when he had the ball but thats not his game, he is mainly a defender.
I accept that he should work on his passing and crossing more but i’m happy he can defend, the attacking is important but not as important as defending.
154 Tsunki // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:13 PM
Oh and Ashton, retaining possession is not Tiotes’ tour-de-force. I wouldnt print him flyers with that on. Gaining it certainly is, but at too great a cost sometimes.
155 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:13 PM
Tsunki
Lol so Tiote is not good now is because once every three years he might get wrongly sent off and cost us 2 points!!
He is the best Dm in the league and wtf does “His effectiveness is somewhat diluted by his disciplinary baggage” even means?? This is the first time he has been sent off for us in the league It’s not like he is sent off in every game we play.
156 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:14 PM
tds @ 104 how come we played in black and white last year at sunderland?
157 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:14 PM
Fatman
West brom are good this year…it will definitely be a tough test.
It is a game we have to be winning though if we looking at a europa league place again.
158 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:16 PM
TDS rumour has it the reason was for the shirt change was to promote the green shirt because we could have worn the top if we wanted to , no rules stopped that!
159 Ian Toon // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:17 PM
Check the toastie@ 64 71 and 126. – I broadly agree with you. Tiote would be well suited to 4-2-3-1 . He could play in a protective shield roll in front of a back four . Pardew favours Anita alongside him with Cabaye of the tiger pushed forward. Pretty much as your thinking. Tiote needs to win the ball and get the ball to the more creative types and to wide outlets. Santon has so much to offer going forward and I thought he gave one of his best showings.
160 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:18 PM
stuart
I think the FA have decided that despite the 100+ years of history between the two sides that we just can’t tell the difference between red and white and black and white.
Glad somebody at the FA or premierleague pointed this out because until they said I thought I could tell the difference between those two colours.
161 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:21 PM
Transfer Sage
His passing is very good and more superior than Parker’s and Barry’s( Which you think they are the best in the league) The reason he gives the ball away is because of the 442 and our tactics. He rarely gives the ball away when playing for Ivory coast. Because they play with three midfielders and there is always an option available for him. Unlike when he plays for us where he is always outnumbered and he tries he best to play it out instead of hoofing it up field like everyone else.
162 Krul to be Kind // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:22 PM
I m devastated we didn’t get the 3 points today as im sure most on here will be, I have great respect for Tiote as a footballer but he let himself, the manager, the players and the fans down today. He has looked a like a loose cannon since his return from injury, his return against Norwich made me shudder a little, he was very lucky to stay on the pitch in that game and he was only introduced with minutes to go so for me the writing was on the wall and Pardew should have curbed it then! If we sell any of our ‘purple’ players in January I would hope it is him because IMO he is a liability with both suspensions and injuries as of late and his decision making has went backwards too, good player though, but one I believe we could replace from within easier, and hopefully raise a few extra quid for full/centre back cover, this is not a ‘in the heat of the moment’ rant!
163 davis_toons // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:26 PM
“He” was still angry about the nick that sticks with him.
The Mickey Mouse Ref.
164 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:26 PM
Aston
sorry but you are just wrong…tiote gives the ball away more than them.
He gives it away more than cabaye who has to put up with the same tactics.
A good dm should break up the play, like he does, then keep it simple, play a ball out wide or to the more creative midfielder in cabaye, he doesn’t do this all the time.
I’m not saying he is bad at passing, far from it, he is good, what i have said a few times now is that he doesn’t always get his head up quickly enough and by the time he does he has been closed down and his options are limited.
That’s just experience, that will come with time and more knowledge of the game, it can be improved with work,
165 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM
ashton @115 so you think im stupid ? thats ok no problem with that , but look at the other comments on tiote from people who know a little bit, yhink you could be by yourself on this one bonny lad.
166 Conaldo (The Wizard) // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM
Right, all negativity aside, as quite frankly it’s boring, before tiote got sent off, how good we’re we! We were amazing, we passed out from the back, we scored an early goal, there was no way Sunderland were going to score when we had 11 on and we would have scored 3 or 4.
When tiote went off, we lacked a bit of stability, and players had to work a lot harder.
I don’t blame tiote for the red card, as I personally don’t believe it was a red card. Yes a yellow, but why was tiotes challenge worse than Larsons challenge on shola? Refereeing was poor and we would never have got more than a point when we get no decisions.
Anyway, we were close to some of our form of last year, and it shows how important colo is for us. The next few games are really must wins as 2 wins from 8 isn’t good, but with all the things going against us, injuries bad refereeing etc. it’s going to get better from here.
I am not sure if anything I just makes sense so I am going to leave now.
Flopalopapus.
167 Conaldo (The Wizard) // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM
Right, all negativity aside, as quite frankly it’s boring, before tiote got sent off, how good we’re we! We were amazing, we passed out from the back, we scored an early goal, there was no way Sunderland were going to score when we had 11 on and we would have scored 3 or 4.
When tiote went off, we lacked a bit of stability, and players had to work a lot harder.
I don’t blame tiote for the red card, as I personally don’t believe it was a red card. Yes a yellow, but why was tiotes challenge worse than Larsons challenge on shola? Refereeing was poor and we would never have got more than a point when we get no decisions.
Anyway, we were close to some of our form of last year, and it shows how important colo is for us. The next few games are really must wins as 2 wins from 8 isn’t good, but with all the things going against us, injuries bad refereeing etc. it’s going to get better from here.
I am not sure if anything I just said makes sense so I am going to leave now.
Flopalopapus.
168 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:29 PM
Ashton
And sorry but parker and barry are better,
They play the same positions, one plays for a team that have been in the top 5 the past 3 years, the other a title winner and champions league regular.
The world class players nearly always play in the world class teams and champions league teams.
The exceptions are players who stay for the love of the club, shearer for example. Tiote is not here because he loves the club, if somebdy offered him triple money to go to man city or real madrid he would be off.
169 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:33 PM
conaldo
yeh it was a great display until that red card.
The red card was harsh, but you have to be so careful, refs are really clamping down on anything which is dangerous or looks dangerous these days.
I said at the time it wasn’t a kick, stamp or rake down the shin, it was just he left his foot in a bit high.
And also I dont get how a chance of a broken leg is a worse than a chance of a boot in the chest/head, i’d rather break my leg than crack my skull…can heal from a broken leg, even if it ends career, a broken skull could kill you.
170 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:33 PM
Transfer Sage
The reason why it seems so is because Parker and Barry always play the ball either backwards or to the side and they have more options in midfield because their team plays three players there and their tactics are more positive in a sense that there is much more movement off the ball than our team. Tiote always tries to find a forward player when he gets the ball and he always tries to pass it to those players. He rarely passes the ball backwards unlike Parker and Barry who do it most of the time when they get the ball.
171 davis_toons // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:35 PM
Tiote was who he was.
AP will again calm him once down once again and ask him to stay on level head.
No ones runs around and close a danger down like he does, who in the team can does that as effectively in the middle of the park currently? = Not a single one yet.
When he wasn’t playing we were very weak at the back. He is the steel, he is the backbone. He just got to calm down a little with his tackle and “do more smart tacking”.
Not to sell him!
172 yorkymag // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:35 PM
I love tiote as a footballer but he has become a loose cannon showing massive naively ,if we are honest he should have already been suspended for this game.
He is booked all too often shows litte responsibility ,he needs a strong word he can’t keep doing daft things putting us at a disadvantage
He is showing less maturity than when he f.irst arrived almost as thou he has to live upmt this hard man image which is doing no one any good
I am his biggest fan but am running out of patience with the daft antics
173 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:40 PM
Ashton
I think we are getting to some sort of middle ground.
I appreciate if tiote had a lot of players around him making runs it would be much easier. I do think parker and barry do pass forward though but as you point out the options are all around them.
when I watch us play ben arfa, cabaye, santon, colo seem to be the only ones who actually pass then move off into space.
A lot of our other players pass, then just stand still, players need to be much better at finding space.
174 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:45 PM
ashton – read my comments , it is not just about today , it is going back since tiote came to the club. his record is appalling . end of story. i dont think you are stupid or ignorant, like you have called me , but please look at the whole picture of what i am saying and not just selective points.
175 davis_toons // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:46 PM
We can see from the game that we need Simpson to get forward when there are obvious spaces to attack on the right and he really got to get himself more into it if he can.
(just like how Santon does it)
There were several times where there are opening and he did tried once and twice. Could a player like Mathieu Debuchy do better?
176 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:48 PM
Transfer Sage
Are you admitting that Tiote is better than both Barry and Parker? It seems so to me.
177 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:49 PM
stuart no9
I can’t take you seriously because the whole premise of your thoughts about Tiote are inane.
178 Transfer Sage // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:52 PM
Ashton
Nope. I am saying he isn’t a mile away but he needs to adapt to the team he is in. It’ better to go back than to give the ball away.
179 Ashton // Oct 21, 2012 at 7:55 PM
Transfer Sage
In our team going back guarantees giving the ball away because they hoof it to row z. So it’s the same thing
180 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 8:04 PM
tsunki @129 good assessment of me there mate , are you some kind of psychiatric consultant ?? lol
181 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 8:15 PM
tsunki @149 hahahahahaa you never know. if a bloke of 70 can do it ( as in the sun last week) i:m sure pards can.
182 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 8:22 PM
conaldo @ 166 if you dont blame tiote for his red card , who do you blame ??
183 stuart no9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 8:41 PM
ashton it is normal when someone dosnt agree with you, you cant take them seriously. i used to be like you when i was a teenager, never listened to anyone who slated the toon. however as you grow older and wiser and learn how to debate , you suddenly realise what a plonker you were in your teens.it happens to all of us , but one day it will come . promise.
184 Ketsbaia9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 9:27 PM
Anita is a better distributor of the ball in comparison with Tiote. Tiote gets booked nearly every game. That is a serious issue. I also think Anita offers more going forward.
Cabaye is a great player on his day. He isn’t consistent enough though and that’s why I think Abeid needs to be given the opportunity.
I’d rather see Jonas at left back and Santon on the right until January. Simpson doesn’t deserve to be in the team. His performances are poor and he has refused to sign a new contract.
Mike Williamson had an average game today, but 1 average game in 10 isn’t good enough and he’s costing us points all the time.
4 new first team additions in January would allow us to compete against the top 4. We need to make additions in the mould of Vertonghen, Jelavic and Sigurdsson
185 nufcusa // Oct 21, 2012 at 9:43 PM
Kets – not sure if your being legitimate or a wind up merchant but I will respond anyway.
Anita most likely offers more going forward. We will see over the next few weeks how ready he is for the prem.
Cabaye can be incisive tent, the same as every professional player. However, Abeid?? I have never seen him but based on the fact he never features, please educate me as to why you think so highly of him.
Jonas ans santo at full back is not a bad idea. Personally I would go with a santon/Anita fb combo. It really depends on what formation we will play in the coming weeks.
Williamson was very good today and deserves praise. I am not a huge fan but give credit where it’s due.
186 Ketsbaia9 // Oct 21, 2012 at 11:05 PM
Williamson doesn’t deserve praise. He cost us the game again. He gave away a silly free-kick which led to their goal. He also should’ve won the header in the box.
187 MapleLeafToon // Oct 21, 2012 at 11:34 PM
Aston
You actually think Tiote will learn? “Hopefully he will learn from this over the next 3 games in which he won’t be playing” your comment! Tiote is a bull in a China shop all muscle and brawn no brains! also when he tries too dribble and dance around with the ball in his own have and loses it, lacks vision. So now he misses the next three games! lovely! Maybe he thinks himself a hardman? I don’t know, but if a club came in for him in the region of 10-15 million pounds I would consider selling him, he is a liablity! how many yellows and reds in his short career with NUFC? Yes he scored the famous goal against Arsenal! but I have that on dvd and can relive that another day.The game today could have went against us because of him, your view would have been different if we would have lost, I can only assume.
188 nufcusa // Oct 22, 2012 at 3:07 AM
Kets – The free kick was a pre meditated foul which was a smart choice at the time as it was high enough up the field to defend without a direct shot at goal.
You need to question the poor delivery by cabaye and the logic to send numbers pouring forward enabling the break away rather than the foul itself.
Still waiting a logical reason to pick Abeid. Do tell.
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