Most people haven’t really blamed Cheick Tiote for Newcastle failing to win the game yesterday, but the truth is that it was the Ivorian’s indiscipline that cost Newcastle 2 points, and when it happened I have to say I was very annoyed (to say the least) at the Ivory Coast International.
Cheick Tiote - oh no – straight red card
In his first season on Tyneside Cheick picked up 15 yellow cards and one red card, and Alan Pardew had to leave him out of the last few games because another yellow card and he would have been banned for another two games.
In his second season he picked up 11 yellow cards and this season he has picked up 3 yellow cards and one red card, so in his 59 appearances he has 29 yellow cards and two red cards.
That’s slightly more than one card every two games for Newcastle – and it’s not good enough.
So it’s not as if Cheick hasn’t been in trouble before with referees, and in the Senegal vs Ivory Coast game earlier this month – he should have been sent off for hitting Papiss Cisse in the first half, but the referee seemed to miss it.
And it seemed that Tiote had orders to control himself yesterday, because in the first 25 minutes he was running behind an advancing Sunderland player a couple of times, and didn’t put in a tackle from behind, and at least the TV commentator mentioned this.
But then came that tackle on Steven Fletcher and a straight red card after only 25 minutes when everything had been going so well, and we were in trouble, and it was only the courage and fortitude of the Newcastle players from then on, that we were able to get a point of the game.
But with eleven men on the field surely we would have coasted through the game, after we dominated the first 25 minutes and Sunderland were little better in that second half, although they had more of the ball simply because Newcastle tried to contain them.
Tiote must improve his self-control and discipline of the pitch, otherwise he will become too much of a liability to the team.
What do you think?
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1 Super Magpie // Oct 22, 2012 at 4:51 PM
Wreker
I don’t think anyone ever had respect for Kets.
I agree that was right for Willo to foul their player yesterday. It was the free kick that we had before that caused it. I don’t get why we overloaded their box with 5 minutes left and 10 men. Should’ve given it to someone who would run into the corner and waste time IMO.
Tiote cost us the win. I have no complaints about the red. He’s got away with worse things in the past and it came back to haunt him today. But I feel Larsson’s boot on Shola was just as bad and they should’ve also been down to 10.
2 Super Magpie // Oct 22, 2012 at 4:53 PM
I said yesterday that Tiote had been building this up for weeks and he would get sent off at some point.
I hope Shola went crazy yesterday with Tiote after being subbed. I hope the rest of the team did too.
I still think we would’ve won 3-0 had he stayed on the pitch.
3 Super Magpie // Oct 22, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Looks like I’ve killed the blog for the first time.
4 wreker16 // Oct 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM
Super magpie
I agree, it was tiote, rash tackle no complaints. We lost control after that. However, I don’t think this means we should sell him. Whilst I don’t think he is the best in the league (p.s I’m not getting into that “debate” of last night) however he is a class act and I don’t think he is easy to replace. Although I probably would take anything above £20 million for him
5 Toon_Jock // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:00 PM
Wow, Watch out everyone Ed’s ANGRY!!!
Ed, in all fairness… I was screaming at the telly too – DOH!!
6 Super Magpie // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:00 PM
Wreker
Yeah, I agree with most of that. I’d probably take £15m or above. He can never seem to get a consistent run of games without getting injured or suspended. We miss him when doesn’t play though.
7 Grafton83 // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:07 PM
The ref could have given him another chance and produced a yellow, I thought he (the ref) was poor, if Tiotes foul was a red then surley Shola getting studs in the chest was at least a yellow.
Either way Tiote could have been easily been sent off a number of times in the past, is it correct he is only one yellow away from another ban anyway. Not that it matters a great deal but we’ll never pick up a European place in the fair play leagues with him on the field.
To echo what everyone else has said, sort it out Tiote, take it out on the dog, the mrs or the kids just don’t bring that over the top aggression on to the pitch.
8 pbNcl // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:12 PM
Wasn’t tiote’s fault at all. He was riding a blatant foul and was off balance. The ref couldn’t wait to send him off
Plus, shola was kicked in the FACE jus moments before and there wasn’t even a card
Mackem ref
9 wreker16 // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:13 PM
Super magpie
Yep I think he is often missed, whilst I think Anita is good, I’m not sure that holding midfielder is his best position, he doesn’t have the physical presence of perch or tiote (even if he does go a bit far). He looks good as a full back though
10 pbNcl // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:15 PM
Simpson was outstanding yesterday. Doesn’t get the recognition he deserves. Well not in virtual world anyway…
11 wreker16 // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:19 PM
Larson should have been sent off also, but there is no defending of tiotes red, the ref was crap but I don’t think that was a wrong decision
12 wreker16 // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:21 PM
Pbncl
I agree Simpson was class, just as good as Santon
13 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:23 PM
PbNcl
Simmo got plenty of acclaim for his performance as did the entire team, except tiote deserved red or not he let the team and the fans down yesterday that card has been on the cards since he came on against norwich and has been acting like a thug for the last 3 or 4 games his played with wild kate challenges and bordering on pathetic theatrics when a free kick is given against him just look at the booking he picked up vs manure
Of course the scum targeted him they knew he’d blow a fuse as much as we did a few on here called the red before the game started he needs to get his head out the clouds and start playing football again or he faces a real risk of loosing his place
As for the shola thing yeah should of been a yellow but never seen anyone sent off when one player stoops in for a header and one has his foot high to clear
14 pbNcl // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:25 PM
Fair comments regarding tiote I must say
I jus can’t see no wrong in the lad, hahaha
15 89Norcal // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:28 PM
I’m going to play Tiote’s advocate here, it was a harsh red and he looked to mistime the bounce because he was being held back.
If you watch the replays, him and whoever the Sunderland player was, met at the ball and Tiote never took his eye off it.
Seen far worse calls get yellows or nothing at all. Reputation send off in my opinion.
16 toonLYF // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:31 PM
Don’t buy this Anita not being a Central midfielder thing, he would be wasted at full-back IMO. It’s fine playing him there to ease him in and get him familiar with the physical and mental mindset of the EPL, but the lad is too good on the ball and too aware not to have a future in central midfield.
Sure alot of you will eat your words when he starts being the terrier Pardew obviously knows he can be.
Personally i couldn’t think of anything more frustrating for the opposition that a midfield 3 of Cabaye – Tiote – Anita
-Cabaye the pass master and Mr. Composed.
-Tiote the wrecking ball breaking up play and beginning attacks
-Anita biting at the ankles so to speak and using his pace to get to loose balls – can pass – can dribble – can shoot.
17 Jamiemac // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:32 PM
Can anyone tell me more about the Tiote incident with Cisse?
18 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:36 PM
ToonLYF
Dont think he’ll play any where other than CM pretty sure he seeked assurances before signing about his role think its just that were doing the same as with other signings and slowly bringing him in
19 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:37 PM
@ LYF
Exactly bud, and those 3 in the middle would be one of the best midfields in the Premier League. Not to mention Ba, Ben Arfa & Cisse up top, a little defensive tweaking and we have a very good side capable of breaking into the Champions League
20 toonLYF // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:38 PM
Jamiemac – it simply didn’t exist, Cheick had the ball and a Senegal player was kicking his ankles and dragging him back, so Tiote swang his arm in his direction; then Papiss who was Senegal’s captain simply came over spoke to Tiote and that was it.
21 GeordieDan // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:39 PM
I have to agree Ed.
Even though Cheick is one of my favourite players.
His discipline record combined with all the other games he’s missed and will miss through playing for the Ivory Coast AND in addition to his recent injury record (which has been very unfortunate).
We hardly ever see the guy now.
He’s like a cartoon superhero character and terrifies the opposing midfield players but what good is that ability if we only get 25 minutes of play out of him and maybe only 1 in 2 or maybe 3 games.
Really hope he can find a way to channel his anger and keep the fire in his belly at the same time.
22 89Norcal // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:40 PM
toonLYF, wonder if Pards willl revert to 4-3-3 if he’s saving cisse for Europa league now.
Still if I were Cisse, I would be wanting some EPL time as well.
23 toonLYF // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:44 PM
tads // BPC – agreed.
Pardew and the staff will have signed him knowing he’s probably going to need time to adjust, aswell as building a bigger physical presence, as cliche as it sounds.
He’s a CM and has done some terrific things playing there for Ajax, if he was going to play full-back regularly, as some have suggested, he wouldn’t be happy (and rightly so) and we would’ve heard/noticed something by now. Obviously has Pardew’s reassurance as you say tads. A great deal for just over £6m, without doubt.
24 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:46 PM
For me it is only a matter of time before Cisse starts scoring for fun again. When he joined us in January he had already played half a season in Germany with a dozen goals to his name and was sharp as a tack. He could have had at least 5 in the league now but has just been unlucky. Thats why I have him down for a hattrick against Brugge
25 donegalmag // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:46 PM
Thought Perch was very good yesterday..did a lot of thankless work and put in a few good challenges..
Think he should be first choice to cover Tiote’s ban..
26 Super Magpie // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:46 PM
89norcal
Cisse was dropped because he’s bang out of form and Shola knows the derbies better than Cisse. He’ll get plenty of playing time in the PL. I just hope it isn’t in a 4-4-2 because he is totally non-existant.
27 89Norcal // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:48 PM
@SuperMagpie, Yeah I agree. Felt bad for Shola, looked like he made a straight shot down the tunnel after his sub.
@donegalmag, That’s what I said! Perch put in a great effort
28 FatmanJoe // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:51 PM
I’m not suggesting this is true or false, just a thought that crossed my mind – did we initially allow tiote, encourage him even, to play too aggressively.
All the cheers when ge sticks the boot in, all the jokes online talking about how hard he is. He must be a bit confused now he’s getting criticised for something that he was getting celebrated for previously.
Just some thoughts to be thunked.
29 GeordieDan // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:52 PM
At least Brugge will be cacking themselves at the thought of playing against Cisse, Ameobi and Tiote on Thrusday.
And its the 2nd game I’m going to in a week! It’ll be a bit more chilled than that Mackem game at least.
That was a crazy away day experience.
30 wreker16 // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:53 PM
Toon lyf
I agree that a 3 man midfield of tiote Anita and cabaye would be great, I was trying (and failing) to imply that I don’t think that he is a good replacement for tiote though.
I dont think though, that in 4-4-2 that Pardew persists with playing he and cabaye would work without tiotes breaking up of the play in there
31 Super Magpie // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:53 PM
89norcal
Yeah,I hope he had words with Tiote.
The Mackem slayer will have his revenge in the return fixture.
32 toonLYF // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:56 PM
89Norcal – Pardew’s favoured system/future plan is more of a mystery than what is under a Jews hat!
Surely it’s only a matter of time before our number 9 is back in the frame and has his spot nailed down.
Seems we’re best when we have a fairly compact 3 man midfield, and i have no doubt Pardew knows this, and hopefully he can try and mastermind a way to have this midfield, whilst allowing Ba and Cisse to play to their full potential, and keeping HBA in the side.
4-3-1-2 allows this on paper, but we all know it’s not as simple as putting the players in the positions, it’s about everything in between. Link up play is the crucial factor. We lack spontaneity; in the sense that when our original plan of attack has failed, we have nothing but a long ball or playing backwards to fall back on.
Not a big problem imo and it’s half the players jobs to work these things out, and half simply down to time, becoming familiar with, and working out how your team mates play under a vast array of circumstances, in effect allowing more spontaneous roaming when in need, knowing you will be covered as there’s that certain understanding there.
33 nimo // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:58 PM
anita needs time to settle looked really poor so far but can tell he has potential
34 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 5:59 PM
89
Reckon he was gunning for tiote like
Donegalmag
Perchinio was fantastic yesterday the amount that lad has come on is unbelievable and fair play to him for taking his chances and fair play to pards for giving him those oppurtunities
LYF
When anita settles i have no doubt he’s gonna be a fantastic asset to the club
35 toonLYF // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:02 PM
wreker
I don’t think he was brought in as a replacement or potential replacement for Cheick, and you’re spot on, at the moment, i don’t think Anita-Cabaye in a 4-4-2 would work out.
Good job we have the Brazilian player of the year in our ranks – Perchinho
36 FatmanJoe // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:02 PM
Anita was asked to do a lot when he first arrived. Play in a new league and adapt to a new country, play in different positions with new players and all with a pregnant wife in a different country.
He hasn’t looked very poor at all but he can and will improve. A Dutch mate says cabaye meets tiote. Sounds super aces.
37 89Norcal // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:02 PM
@SuperMagpie, can’t wait for the next one in Newcastle! Would love to see another 5 goal hammering.
@GeordieDan, I’d happily freeze my ass off to watch NUFC in Bruges. Hopefully I can fly across the pond next year.
38 Super Magpie // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:02 PM
FatmanJoe
Whether or not it is true or not I’ve never really bought in to the hard man stuff about Tiote. Especially after his great play acting against the scum last year. Atleast it got Sessegnon sent off.
He needs to learn to control his aggression. If he hit his own team mate last week it shows that he can’t control his anger on the pitch. He needs to calm down because he cost us the win yesterday. It might be good for him to miss a few games tbh. He also needs to be extra careful on Thursday because European refs are a p**stake.
39 89Norcal // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:05 PM
@toonLYF, I’ve wondered about a 4-3-1-2 as well. I would think with Ben Arfa having direct lines to Ba and Cisse the goals would be falling from the sky!
@toonarmy, Sure he had some words for him, I know it’s a hugely important fixture for Shola
40 FatmanJoe // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:10 PM
Shola looked well f…ked off being subbed.
I wouldn’t want to be cheik waiting in the dressing room with shola charging down towards me!
41 NUFCWill1986 // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM
the lad never meant it, imagine if ben arfa had took the studs to the chest instead of shola? That was a worse tackle.
42 josh // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:14 PM
Just a little note for kets when he gets here as he’s stopped releasing nuclear diarrhea from his fingertips all over his keyboard on a previous blog. You are a massive pustulant grapefruit sized bollock, that should be banned from anything football related on the grounds being the sperm that should have been on the curtains. If I was your mother, and somehow had knowledge I would give birth to you, I would breach biological possibilities and would have vomited out my own ovaries and set fire to them. Your a genital rash, a burning fire genital rash.
43 catchy in norway // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:15 PM
toonLYF
one of the only things i agree with you with is tiote and anita, should pardew want to continue playing with this defensive line up ,,
anita would be a much better option than jonas, who for me is no where near as mobil as he was 2 seasons ago,
i also think anita seems to be a good reader of the game and dont mind a tackle
regards the this article, i said yesterday it was tiotes fault we did not get 3 points,, PBNC1 says the ref should have let it go cos he was being climbed all over,, well the ref gave him a free kick for that,, but he still went through the player long enough after the whistle to know he did wrong,, what else was he trying to win???,,
tiote is a great player for us,, and does the hard gritty stuff well, but he does over step the line a lot, his rep follows him into every match,, so is it a smart player that does what he did yesterday,,, no,, he must have seen we as a team where way on top, and if he had stayed on i think it would have been an easy win
44 FatmanJoe // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:22 PM
Wow catchy I think that’s the first time I’ve agreed with you on here.
We looked like we were going to batter them yesterday.
Until then.
45 toonLYF // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:23 PM
video of Coloccini’s performance against Sunderland.
/watch?v=yj8fF7Lfs5U
Majestic.
46 89Norcal // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:29 PM
@toonLYF, poised, confident, and intelligent play. Colo at his greatest. About time Sabella started calling up his best defender.
47 toonLYF // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:31 PM
89Norcal – It is ridiculous that he isn’t the first defender on Argentina’s sheet. Their defence is fairly poor, and Colo is fairly WORLD FREAKING CLASS!
48 JP...from The Rock // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:40 PM
I honestly didn’t think it warranted a red card at first sight of the tackle, but then when you see the replay it’s obvious there was intent on hurting Fletcher so it was justified. Either way Tiote gave the advantage to the dirty Mackems or else we would have won and that draw also cost me at least 20 pounds on a bet I made!
Damn it Tiote, you really have been way off form this season so far and now this! WAKE UP SON and start playing football.
HWTL
49 89Norcal // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:41 PM
@toonLYF, I certainly wouldn’t hesitate to put Colo in that echelon. Problem was his injuries, but I’m glad he was recognized in the PFA XI. But Argentina have a recent history of sabotaging their own team, either through subs, tactics or selection.
50 JP...from The Rock // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:42 PM
Colo was Man of the Match by a mile- what a player we have there, extremely solid, reliable and calm as cucumber when you most need him.
51 toonLYF // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:46 PM
89Norcal – he silenced alot of Sunderland fans yesterday too, who genuinely questioned why he was NE player of the season last season. That’s because he’s 1 of 2 world class players playing their football in the north east at the moment.
1.Coloccini
2.Ben Arfa
off now lads, some good discussions, as usual!
52 catchy in norway // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:47 PM
FatmanJoe
im going dizzy here
53 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:48 PM
So 10 points from 8 games and everyone seems content – accepting mediocrity, slowly but surely.
NUFC – going nowhere fast, or even at a reasonable rate of knots. Hovering around mid-table and making it into Europe once in a while – yipee!
54 Zero // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:48 PM
Collo was outstanding with Tiote seeming a little off in general; his tackle was never a sending off especially for a derby match, the ref needs to learn the word restraint, but then again he was the fellow who gave out the most red cards last season so that should have warned the lads prior to the match.
55 Zero // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:50 PM
Ruddy you seem suprised that people just seem content? after all i think most of us have had the ambition of Newcastle beaten out of us by the constant let downs on signings that are desperately needed to take us up a rank.
56 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:51 PM
LYF
Not just NE player of the year but in the select 11 players of the season truly world class
Jiz ruddy
Thought you’d retired from blog life, atleast try using your own name
57 catchy in norway // Oct 22, 2012 at 6:58 PM
Ruddy Marveaux-lous
errrrr not everyone mate
im on the side of things where i believe pardew has cost us good points against average teams, by playing very defensive, where he should send the team out to attack ,
we have 2 great goal scorers in our team and on any day they can score from anywhere,, but that what they have to do make and score them themselfs,, we dont create as a team,, we still play to many long balls,,
willamson perch and simpson, all getting praise for yesterday,, yesterday was there type of game, where smashing the ball anywhere would do,, in a normal match,, id hate that,, kicking the ball to no one, just helps the ball come back quicker to you in a way you dont want,,, if only they would look up,,, but wait,, pardew plays football with 9 men in his own half
58 Tsunki // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:06 PM
catchy – before tiote went off I didnt see the game that way at all. Cant blame pards for that one. Anyway that pest is not the real ruddy he is beardo the weirdo only on here to spook people. Even though he has been sussed he still does it, very strange.
59 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:08 PM
Wait a minute…so that wasn’t real ruddy with a change of attitude? But didn’t fake ruddy announce (for the second time) that he couldn’t stand by and watch the blog like this?
Oh so confused.
60 catchy in norway // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:08 PM
Tsunki //
no yesterday was one of the times where that type of football is ok,, holding on to a 1-0 lead,,,
ps lmao,,, hmmm iv been done
61 catchy in norway // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:09 PM
is that the real ibiza tooo , omg , its to much, everyone is anyone
62 Tsunki // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:09 PM
Antway, how come ashton isnt on this thread to debunk reality?
63 Blaydon-Toon // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:12 PM
I’m really KETS
64 Tsunki // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:13 PM
Fruddy told me he was going to do away with himself, I took that as meaning figuratively. Seems he bottled it so I dont have his blood on my hands.
Hang on, am I me?
65 cornishman // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:16 PM
If that was a sending off tackle there should be at least one in pretty much every game in the league. As with some other players his reputation goes before him.
66 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:17 PM
Blaydon
But if your kets then who am i?
67 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:21 PM
Catchy
Actually thought willo played some good football yesterday he even went on a little run and beat 2 mackems!!!
Still disagree with you about pardiola but sadly find myself agrering more with you about spiderman the poor lad looks knackered atm having said that i thought he put a shift in yesterday maybe we should use him mainly for away games when we need to slow the tempo and frustrate the opposition
68 catchy in norway // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:24 PM
cornishman
i think he got sent of cos it was after the whistle,, if he was sliding ,, then maybe,, but he just done him anyway
69 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:24 PM
On Anita, i think we’re bit spoiled the last few years, seeing how many has adapted so quickly.
Anita might be like Collo and Enrique, require a bit more time than the likes of Ba, Cisse, Cabaye, etc.
When i saw him in pre-season, and i saw him 3 times, he ran that midfield much like Cabs do.
Workrate, passing, long and short, more pace and Cabs too, it’s all there.
But he needs to settle into the pace and physicality of the PL.
That takes time and we dont have a choice but respect that.
70 Blaydon-Toon // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:24 PM
Well KETS has so many fans guess its only natural for us all to want to impersonate suck a knowledgable insightful tactical genius … Guess its a question we all ask our self from time to time who am I ???
71 IITianToon // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:25 PM
Yippee I broke into the top 25 of the NUFCBlog fantasy league!! Never noticed that so many people are actually in that league, so that makes it even sweeter!
Missed the first half and in the 2nd half well we were just trying to hang on.. Colo was just class.. and please Mr Pardewsaurus (hilarious whoever came up with his nick!
) play 4-3-3 against Brugge.
Maybe something like:
Harps
Simmo–Willo–S Taylor–Tavs
Anita–Cabs–Bigi
Obertan–Cisse–Fergie
Subs: Krul,Perch,Tav,Abeid,Sammy,Marv,Campbell.
72 Jail for Ashley // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:26 PM
Really couldn’t see how that was a sending off yesterday,it wasn’t pretty but a yellow would have been enough,I wonder if the ref who managed the draw at SJP had a word in his mates ear and told him off Tiotes theatrics in getting Seesegnon sent off.
73 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:28 PM
Blaydon
Lets be honest none of us posses the vast football knowledge to even come close to kets
Dannyo
Surely your not askin toon fans to be patient!!!
74 catchy in norway // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:30 PM
toonarmydownsouth
willow did ok yesterday,, but i have always said ,, he normally just hits any where,,, also i think when he goes up for a corner or free kick,, with his hight, he should do much better than he does,,
pards, hmm,, agree to dissagree,,
jonas,, i like the lad,, but he should be on the bench, anita or ferg,, both are better in the 2 positions he is trying to play,,,
and that again is pards, being pig headed IMO,
one thing is for sure,, he needs to get the team playing higher up the pitch,,
75 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:32 PM
Catchy
Agree willo should do more as our set piece target man
But i think his performaces normally vastly approve when he’s playing along side colocinni
76 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:37 PM
@tads
I wouldn’t dream it bud.
I’m just saying they don’t have a choice
77 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:38 PM
Tavernier scores with a header after a cross from Campbell!
1-0
78 catchy in norway // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:38 PM
i think anyone would,, colo is the best defender in the prem right now
willow next to perch,, then you see how good he really is
im off
enjoy your night
79 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:42 PM
Xisco scores!!
The world won’t stand until morning!
2-0
80 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:51 PM
So, with no one replying to a Xisco goal, i suspect the rapture has happened, and i’m the only one left?
81 fray bentos // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:51 PM
@Catchy
You talk about Pardew losing us points against average teams
yet in the same post you talk about how awfull 3 of our players are and how they just blast the ball forward missing our midfield, in the case why is it Pardew losting the points? haven’t you just contradicted yourself?
82 FatmanJoe // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:54 PM
Then catchy ruins it with a load of rubbish.
Ah well.
Xisco scoring eh? Kets will be on here saying how he should be starting against west brom!
83 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:56 PM
Dannyo
Xisco scored? Didnt he assist last time round? I would say the lad may get another chance but I highly doubt it
84 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 7:59 PM
@Fatman
Que the “Xisco never got a chance” brigade
85 davybtoon // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:02 PM
Dannyo – not being funny but xisco hasn’t never been giving a chance to prove himself at Nufc
86 davybtoon // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:03 PM
Maybe pardew has seen he’s prepared to work hard in training n is now giving him a chance all be it in the reserves
87 archaeomag // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:04 PM
Xisco never got a chance!!
88 fray bentos // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:05 PM
@davybtoon
He will have been given a chance in training and has obviously not showed any ability or desire to start
There will be a reason why 3 managers have all decided not to play him
89 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:05 PM
@davy
Hehe, i know u’re not trying to be funny, but it still is.
We’re short of strikers, well, Hooper is there, but that’s it kinda just now.
And he’s got a number on his shirt, so might aswell keep him fit.
He’s training with the first team now too.
So who knows, but for me, not likely unless forced.
90 Zero // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:06 PM
I carnt believe all the Xisco doubters, him and Obertan to start for us against West Brom!
91 archaeomag // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:06 PM
Derek is fattening him up to be sold in the next mart.
92 davybtoon // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:06 PM
Crazy to think xisco still only 26 he’s still got his peak years ahead of him not saying he will make it here but you never kno stranger things have happened
93 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:06 PM
How did Xisco never get a chance? Everytime he trains with the sodding team is a chance and one he never took it
Aye it was tougher for him but for christ sake hes getting 50k a week surely he could show some fight for a place
94 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:09 PM
@WWYCD
Did he? I thought he was taken off around hte 60th minute and didn’t really do anything.
95 davybtoon // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:09 PM
He’s never been giving the chance in matches, yea maybe he hasn’t been doing it training but him starting to play reserve games maybe suggests his attitude has changed
96 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:10 PM
Lee Ryder ?@lee_ryder
Campbell slips in Xisco down the right with an inch perfect ball but Xisco scuffs it wide of the target #nufc
New best friends?
I’m a bit baffled why Campbell isn’t on the bench more tbh. Scores loads and provides loads, should get more chances.
97 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:11 PM
@archaeomag
True. If there’s a chance he’s got suitors in January, they’d want to take a fit player.
98 Zero // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:11 PM
In all fairness when he was loaned out to the equivalent of a div 1 side, he wasnt exactly setting the world on fire, in fact he even stopped getting regular football out there…
99 davybtoon // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:12 PM
Dannyo we should just promote Campbell to the first team he’s class act from what I’ve seen of him n his pace is unreal
100 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:13 PM
Dannyo
Am sure he gifted Campbell a goal but could be mistaken
davy
Howay man u earn the right to play in the first team, u earn it in training which Xisco has barely done
101 davybtoon // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:13 PM
Good chance deportivo will take xisco there back in la liga n they’ve always seemed repot like him n don’t he ever really wanted to leave them
102 fray bentos // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:14 PM
@Davybtoon
Doesn’t suggest anything really, he might just have come back to fitness, who knows what going on behind the scene, all we know is that managers haven’t picked him and they know far far far more than us regarding the players.
This is all reminds me of the ‘Abeid deserves to play’ brigade
103 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:15 PM
@davy
Well, he’s always training with the first team on the photos posted on the home page, so he certainly is in the first team squad.
I guess it’s about finding the oppertunities to chuck him in.
But i just cannot get myself to look beyond him.
Deserves a chance sooner rather than later.
Has an in form Ba, slightly in form Shola to beat. Cisse to, Cisse goes ahead by default imo.
104 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:16 PM
On Xisco, i remember reading last pre-season that he came back the least fit of all the players, a little chunky even.
And AP was not happy bout that.
105 davybtoon // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:16 PM
Wwycd xisco set up Campbell in last reserve game, yea ya ryt you do earn n to b fair he’s never seemed interested but I think he was tarnished with the whole kk thing
Managers jus take a disliking to players sometimes I mean I think abeid is better than biggie but pardew sees it the other way
106 Doilatoon // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:17 PM
1: it was not a red card.
2: Tiote are and will be the best defensive midfielder in pl for some years and for him as an agressive player we cant complain that he is getting yellow cards cos that is who he is and how he got his respect from other teams from.
3: after asshole fletcher saw the red card he was alright and had no trouble with his leg,so send him to hollywo od.
4: Mr.Atkinson has done this before destroying derby games with sending players off early in matches.
107 davybtoon // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:19 PM
Fray – Abeid is class little player IMO rate him the most out of all are young midfielders yet pardew doesn’t it seems
108 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:19 PM
Seems I left a tad too early (not a tads) and missed the am i section….how sad.
So Xisco has got a goal for the reserves? Isn’t he a fully grown professional footballer that should be scoring in those games? I don’t think they intend to play him in the first team, but if we’re paying him, let’s make sure he’s ready if needed. Nothing more, nothing less.
As for not getting a chance, I don’t buy it. Perhaps he’s been a slight disadvantage, perhaps word of mouth got around so any new manager coming in automatically black listed him, maybe he just hasn’t asserted himself proper;y or shown enough skill or determination to make people take note. Remind me, how many goals and games did he get in the Spanish 2nd division?
109 fray bentos // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:20 PM
@Davybtoon
So 3 managers have all took a disliking to him then?
How would you possibly knwo that Abeid is better than Bigi???
110 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:20 PM
Lee Ryder ?@lee_ryder
Campbell cross and XISCO fires home from close range #nufc 3-0
Haha, dear me…
Xisco hattrick!?
111 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:21 PM
davy
I think u just disagree with me to wind me up at times haha. No manager has rated the lad because he got KK sacked? None of them cared post Keagan really JFK, Shearer, Hoots and Pards dont look at the bloke and think ‘classy player but got Keagan sacked best not play him’
He’s just not good enough
As for Bigi over Abied I’d just throw in attitude, experience, work ethic and teams needs….Id put Bigi above Abied in all of those
112 fray bentos // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM
@Davybtoon
have you witnessed some toon games that nobody else has where Abeid played like?
And no im not talking about friendlies
113 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:23 PM
Dannyo
Me and u are going to fall out if u keep trying to derail my Xisco tirade with these apparent ‘goals’ haha
114 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:24 PM
@davy
Abeid is a bit of a mystery, but there are those players who thinks they deserve a chance just for the sake of it, a bit spoiled in a way really.
So that could be in Abeids way.
If it is that, hopefully he lands on earth and realises what he’s got to do.
115 davybtoon // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:24 PM
Fray – from what I’ve seen of both players in Nufc shirts, there completely different players though biggie is more like tiote n abeid is more like cabaye
Watch the reserve a lot n abeid always plays well n he always has in pre season
116 Zero // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:25 PM
Ibiza raises a valid point, just think how many goals you’d expect Cisse, Ba or even the beastofmackembay to score in the reserve matches, Xisco should be firing hattricks every time hes played in those IMO.
117 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:25 PM
@WWYCD
Hattrick?!
Eh? hm? hu?
I’m saying it out loud, probably jinxing it too.
XISCO TO GET A HATTRICK!
118 mattyNUFC // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:26 PM
was I gone long enough? did i miss yesterday’s assumed chaos on here?
my thoughts on the match, after just watching it a second time:
blah
trying not to look negatively considering the expectation, the red card, etc, but from the second tiote was off we did not have one meaningful spell of possession. yeah we were fighting to keep hold of the win but a little more impetus, a little more adventure would have been welcome. they’re a bottom half team, rivalry aside. substitutions were predictable. perch is great at tackling, which solidifies my belief that he should be ahead of williamson in the CB pecking order. I really dislike him at DCM.
other thoughts
-obertan really transformed the game in the last ten minutes or so (not)
- anita must be way down pardew’s pecking order. seems to have no trust in his ability. surely he warrants a decent run at his best position of DM?
-tiote’s mandatory sedative injections before the matches of late aren’t working. time to ramp up the dosage or let him rage from the sideline…on a leash.
-sunderland are a pretty s*** team. not too sure the difference between this year and last year but they seemed miles better last year. we should have shown a bit more endeavor, even with ten men.
-colo’s back!
119 davybtoon // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:26 PM
Fray – abeid played in to cup games last season n done very well
120 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:26 PM
On Abeid, he does look a good player and I can’t help but think if he was performing and carrying out instruction from Pardew, he’s be getting more game time. It’s a guess, but I’m putting it down to his attitude over his skills.
121 bollance // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:26 PM
Xisco is in the loan shop window. Hope we can offload him again so someone else can pay a chunk of his wages.
That will also free up a space for a youngster upfront for u21s.
Not sure which it is commonly acknowledged we have nothing coming through the academy when we have a 16 year old in satka playing centre back and 17 year old Campbell starring again.
Hope we play like we did vs bordeaux on thurs night so we can bring Campbell on with 20-30 mins remaining!
At least Shola will be fresh for thursday.
122 fray bentos // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:27 PM
Reserve football is NOT competitive football, you can rate players on this
At this stage ONLY pardew and the coaching staff will know if one of the players is better than the other, NONE OF US will know any differently
123 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM
I take it all back. Xisco! Xisco! I’m not brave enough to say it a third time…..
124 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM
Dannyo
He probably will now but its the reserves and hes up against STOKES reserves they have a sh*t first team imagine what their reserves are like…wonder if they play in the same ‘style’ as the seniors as well?
125 mattyNUFC // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM
worst part about the sending off imo:
3 more games of 442 and at least 3 more games of not seeing the hollowed 433. ugh
126 bollance // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM
Xisco on the brink of a new 5 year deal after scoring two tonight
127 archaeomag // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM
@fray bentos
Way too sensible . .
128 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM
@Ibiza
I don’t think it is about Abeids ability, we’ve seen bits in the first team, and he often performs in the reserves.
I can’t help think it’s an attitude problem, and as with anyone for AP, if u don’t work hard in training, u won’t get the chance in the first team.
129 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM
Lee Ryder ?@lee_ryder
HAT-TRICK FOR XISCO #nufc
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
130 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:31 PM
And bingo the Disco from Spain nails on 3 goals to his name in the reserves
131 bollance // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:31 PM
Xisco hatrick
132 mattyNUFC // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:31 PM
heyheyheyfrayfray
abeid is probably our best young player (bigi and fergie, the winger fergie, not the lb fergie,that is, aside). roma and inter making inquiries this summer says it all, really
133 Zero // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:32 PM
Xisco must be so proud… he might make the bench of the first team…well its best that hes optimistic about his future lol
134 fray bentos // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:32 PM
Anybody who tries to suggest Abeid deserves to play over Bigi based on reserve football needs their heads checked
Same goes for Xisco
I find it mental that someone would believe they know a player better after watching a few reserve games then someone (pardew) who watches the same player day in day out and also actually knows the player getting to know their personality, desire, effort etc in the process
Crazy talk
135 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM
He scores when he wants, he scores when he wants, that boy Xisco, he scores when he wants.
Let’s discuss that comeback again
136 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM
If Xisco come back into the first team and starts playing for us I will seek the lad out by the life centre and apologize in person but til then I stand by my opinion hes muck as a PL player and if he’d of accepted it NUFC would of released him in the summer
137 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM
Dannyo…On Abeid, agreed – oooo rhyme, now I’m happy.
Xisco hat-trick? So good I might be sick…
Okay, the second was bad, i’ll stop trying to write with rhymes….as it doesn’t work all the times…
Okay, really done now.
138 Zero // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:34 PM
Fray bentos…. stop being resonable, that kind of talking gets you lynched on here…. crazy talk is where its at, unless the forum changed while i was away, on that note is Kets still trolling?
139 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:34 PM
Lee Ryder ?@lee_ryder
Xisco comes off to a standing ovation #nufc Marcus Maddison on
Awww, i’d hoped he’d be able to grab 3 more
140 fray bentos // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:35 PM
@MattyNUFC
Juventus bought Boumsong off us, need i say more?!
Also the italian legaue is different than ours
141 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:35 PM
Dannyo….Clearly saving him for West Brom at the weekend.
142 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:35 PM
Ain’t no disco like a xisco disco!!!
No seriously the lad is done on tyneside, cant believe every manager has overlooked just cos he has a silly name and made KK quit!
Think perchinio is proof that pards is willing to give players chances if there fully committed cos lets be honest most of us thought he was done and used to cringe when we saw his name on the team sheet!
Bigi for me is ahead of abied purely because he’s got a full season of regular first team football under his belt and by all accounts abied has a bit of an attitude problem the lad has got to go on loan
143 bollance // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:35 PM
Fray
You are right on that. Abeid has fallen behind Bigi because Bigi is younger and will be classed as English as soon as Pearce calls him up to u21′s.
144 pbNcl // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:37 PM
we actually moved the ball out from defence with absolute class yesterday, many a time. passing it out smoothly and intelligently. me liked that a lot
145 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:37 PM
@WWYCD
I can’t help but laugh, i find this hysterical.
One always want a player to succeed, but we can’t help slag em.
Xisco hattrick, i dunno what to say, i’m stunned.
This is great, in an odd way, lo.
146 pbNcl // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:38 PM
I dont like xisco, nothing personal. just he’s shit
147 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:38 PM
Haha, i’m stealing this line.
This is up there with Silvio Maric’s Northumberland Senior Cup final hat-trick.
148 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM
Dannyo
A standing ovation? Was his mum in the crowd
Ibiza
How bout so good you got wood? And not just the wood of your fence panels!
149 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM
pbNcl….It was a pleasure to watch the passing out of the defense…have to admit I did watch those moments hiding behind a pillow….couldn’t believe what I was seeing. Promising signs.
150 fray bentos // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM
@Zero
I want to fit in so……..
Street to start against West Brom, heard he’s going be great, never seen him play tho
151 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM
@tads
Hehe, Xisco is actually trending in the UK, and only 221 people saw it.
I’ll be laughing all the way to bed, this is amazing.
152 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM
tads….I’m recruiting you now as my own personal writer. I will let you climb slightly up to my level (on the fence), however, no more bullying or you’re out and condemned (much like wor Yo, ex King of the blog, now miserable neggar seeking joy in others misery – ghastly guy).
153 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:43 PM
Dannyo
Fair play to the bloke for nabbing 3 goals tonight but he’ll still be muck tomorrow haha
154 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:43 PM
haha, u can’t write this stuff.
And as we speak of how Abeid is written off:
Miles Starforth ?@milesstarforth
Abeid makes it 5-0 to #nufc.
155 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:43 PM
Xisco…trend…..goals……Has Kets taken over all of your accounts simultaneously?
156 pbNcl // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:44 PM
agreed ibiza, was poetic at times…
and if we can do that in the most heated fixture of the season, we can do it EVERY game
just put a blanket over tiote’s head an hour before kickoff and have him listen to nursery rhymes, but can you really tame the tank? I doubt it. and for me he is one of the best DM in the world
157 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:44 PM
@WWYCD
Well, maybe this ups his spirits a bit.
Carver is watching this u know
158 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:45 PM
Ok who is playing for Stoke?
159 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:45 PM
Dannyo
Ive had a word with kets and xisco will be given a new 7 year player/manager contract and will take the number 9 shirt from cisse with immediate effect!!!
Ibiza
No bullying? Not sure about that maybe if my level of the fence has a decent coat of ronseal
160 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:46 PM
That’s it – the plan is complete.
Sell Cabaye (one good game against Villa) and Cisse (the one season wonder) and move Xisco and Abeid in to the first team. With the sales money, buy our needed CB and FB (we could probably give Simmo and Willo away then).
Then just sit back and watch the silverware come.
Optimism reigns!!!!
161 Carryingcoals // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:47 PM
Dannyo
Just saw this on twitter too haha
Xisco with his shooting boots on eyyy, who’d have thought it (well aside from kets in all of his omnipotence of course)
Bollance
Just reading a few comments here and I too think Bigi should be ahead of Abeid, Bigi has come in and really performed.
Are you suggesting that the reason Bigi is ahead of Abeid is because he is English, Stuart Pearce could call him in to the u21s, therefore if this happens Bigi’s stock rises, ie conforming to our buy them young and make a huge sell on profit eventually (young english players seem to have such high values)
- Do you think that? I would say that Bigi primarily is ahead of Abeid in the pecking order because he has played well when selected and also has more experience in English football after a superb season with Coventry last year.
I’m not saying you are suggesting this, I’m just after your opinion. I don’t think Bigi is chosen because of his potential path to be more valuable, I think he is just currently a better player than Abeid.
Ibiza
Sorry I never got a chance to reply to you this morning, had to rush out. A great team performance yesterday.
162 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:47 PM
@tads
Sounds about right
163 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:48 PM
WWYCD
Hopefully mikey owen!
And yeah xisco may still be shite tomos but tonight he is going to party like crazy i mean a hatrick at that level? Dont see that everyday like
164 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM
@Ibiza
Give Willo and Simmo away? U’re joking.
We’ll now finally have freed up the wages to give Simmo the megabuck deal he deserves.
And we’ll give the captaincy to Willo and let him retire at NUFC.
Don’t u know anything?
165 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:51 PM
tads…Well the fence is covered in gold, so not sure the ronseal will take, but I’ll give it a go. The opportunity is there, prove yourself to be a purple poster and you never know, you could be right there at the top with me (and soon to be Kets – he has been vindicated this evening after all)….it does get a little lonely at times….sigh
pbNcl….I love Tiote (and not just because I fear him). It’s a tough one really. I can see the need to try and get him to relax, but his whole game is built around intensity and getting at people. I’m not a fan of thugs mind, football has moved on these days. I would be sad to see him go, technical is great, but we have needed Tiotes grit a lot in the past, very easy to dismiss, not so easy to replace. I’m sure the lads and Pardew will let him know how they feel….we’ll see
166 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:52 PM
Dannyo
Carvers watching? No wonder Xisco played well fear is a powerful emotion….might of paid off the Stoke reserves just to get through the night
toonarmydownsouth
Haha oh the joy I would get in knowing Xisco out scored Owen haha
He probably will then not turn up to training for a week allowing the cycle to continue (disclaimer: I dont know if he turns up to training or not, this was a exaggeration in order to raise a smile)
167 Ian Toon // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:52 PM
Bollance-hiya
Saw the reserves won 4-0. But what position did Abeid play? Bit out of touch with recent reserve games. Thought Streete might be back playing by now!
168 pbNcl // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:54 PM
na he’s not a thug man he’s just radge
169 nimo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:55 PM
5-0
170 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:55 PM
Dannyo…Listen mate, no disrespect, but I’ve just read, cover to cover, the Kets guide to football. Granted it’s only a 5 pages long and repeats for the five pages, but I know whose opinion I will trust and it isn’t yours good sir.
But yes, I am joking and no, I don’t know much
Carrying…Sorry, can’t remember what I asked, but by your response I’m guessing I asked what you thought of Sunderlands performance yesterday?
Oh dear, two smileys…what have I done???
171 Zero // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:57 PM
Kets’ guide to football, is that where he states the he said Hazard would be a good buy and since hes playing well we should all hail his transfer genius??
172 Ian Toon // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:57 PM
Bollance- still playing and 5-0 LOL. Stoke are bottom of league.
173 geordie157 // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:57 PM
Xisco may just make the bench on thurs. Inman had a good game and Campbell looked lively again. With vuckic and gosling out, abeid should come into pards thinking. Big season for inman, if he can stay injury free he might still have a future with us.
174 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:57 PM
pbNcl…That’s what I’ve always though. These days, from my mighty fence, I try and question things. I don’t answer them of course, goes against my fence sitting policy. Stress free, looking out to sea (tads – aren’t you supposed to be feeding me these lines? – Not a great start).
175 Ian Toon // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:58 PM
Ibiza……..a case of smiley’s people.
176 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:58 PM
Tads…and it’s thought not though. Honestly, sort yourself out.
177 geordie157 // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:58 PM
Has anyone seen Satka play, interested to know what he’s like
178 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:58 PM
@WWYCD
Tavernier with a goal, Xisco with 3, Abeid with 1, Campbell gets 2 assists, Inman gets 1, Amalfitano gets 1, Maddison gets 1.
I wanna see Inman get a chance in the first team soon.
He shouldn’t be getting much older to say that.
179 Carryingcoals // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:58 PM
I’d actually give Simpson a new contract. There are parts of his game that annoy me and he is very much replaceable, but he is a decent Premier League right back and we missed him when he was out of the side.
I can’t see us bringing in a load of players in January, it seems Llambais doesn’t think we need any, as we have our ‘purples’ already.
I would like to chiefly focus on bringing in a centre back. I think CB is a bigger issue than RB. If we can only make one signing then this is the area I’d want improved first and foremost.
180 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 8:59 PM
@geordie157
I’ve only seen him on highlights, a lanky lad, but only 16/17 i belive and getting rave reviews here and there.
181 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:00 PM
Ian…I’m trying to get help, honestly. I’ve attended group sessions, individual therapy even some shock treatment. I have a problem, I need help.
Zero….That’s small time…basically a foot note. When you really dive in to his knowledge…all I can say is wow.
182 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:00 PM
Carrying coals
What we need is another Colo…a CB of his quality would be worth 2-3 places by the end of the season. Rock solid at the back…that’d be a treat for us all
183 Carryingcoals // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:01 PM
ibiza
Something like that yes… I am concerned about your forgetfulness mind, are you getting enough oxygen up there? The middle of the road is far more practical!
184 FatmanJoe // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:02 PM
Yea I’m happy with simmo. An extra defender would b nice come January tho.
185 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM
Carrying…Agreed. I was reading an article today (can’t remember who by and therefore how credible it is…not that I can’t form my own opinion…dammit), that suggested where Simpson has improved defensively (which he has), that should allow us to drop the need for Wingers so much, therefore allowing a 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 with HBA in an advance role…sounds great
186 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM
Dannyo
Marv’s name is missing on that list? Did he do anything of note in the game? Starting to wonder about him tbh
Sammy/Fergy seem to be coming on leaps and bounds where as Marv is stuttering imo and questions over his attitude keep cropping up
187 Zero // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM
I think we should get Ed to put together a ”best of Kets” quote complimation when not much is going on at NUFC… i.e the transfer window that way we all can bask in the joy that is Kets lol
188 bollance // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:04 PM
Ian
Abeid playing defensive mid at a guess. He just scored 5-1.
Just been looking at the updates on twitter so can’t add to much.
Streete must still be injured. I would guess he will come back soon and has probably bulked up. Pards said he was physically ready before he got injured at end of last season anyway.
If street had not been injured I think he would have pushed to be part of the euro squad. Though, it is tough to come through at centre back, most start off at right or left back then move into the centre like taylor or micha Richards did.
After yesterday we should be keeping tabs on rose.
189 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:05 PM
@WWYCD
Looked fairly involved in the report, and looked to be leading the show at the start, but wasn’t of the last two to touch a ball before the goal.
190 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:05 PM
Carrying….More practical, perhaps. I have security issues though…people on here can get nasty pretty quickly so I like to keep my distance.
I believe a great man once said, ‘you don’t need oxygen, what you need is no Simmo or Willo in your team.’
No points for guessing who that great man is (and okay, it’s not a direct quote).
191 geordie157 // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:05 PM
If inman’s good enough he could make a Europa squad. have to admit a do look better with Simpson back, I’d still like someone like corchia though, although last time I looked sochaux were bottom of ligue 1.
192 toonLYF // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:06 PM
Club Brugge are a very physical team, they have some absolute giants in there, and a touch of flair aswell, don’t be fooled by their fairly weak league in comparison, these are a good team.
I don’t know much about the team by way of playing style, but i know of a few individuals who could cause us problems. Tchite their striker is lightning, and i mean lightning quick. Faster than Obertan and Santon for sure. Then they have a guy – Odjidja-Ofoe, in central midfield, whom from what i’ve seen, can do everything. Young guy i think.
Saying this i said the same about Bordeaux, but i think we were all expecting a tougher game than it turned out to be against them.
Might turn out as a very positive thing that Tiote will undoubtedbly play on Thursday.
193 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:06 PM
bollance
Do u mean keep tabs on Danny Rose?
194 geordie157 // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:07 PM
Streete can’t be too far away from returning to training. Him, good and Satka all have potential.
195 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM
Carrying
Great match report yesterday lad
Fully agree about simmo give the boy a contract he’s earned it in all honesty
Dannyo
Dont know much about inman coukd he push for a europa spot?
Ibiza
Ummmmm as i sit atop my larchlap panel i offer no opinion because you all chat flannel
Sorry im running on empty i think im high on ronseal
196 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM
Dannyo
Maybe he did well enough to impress Carver then, Europa league showing for him again on the cards u reckon?
197 Carryingcoals // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:09 PM
Ibiza
I’ve always been an advocate of the 4-3-3 and I’m always eager to see Ben Arfa tried out in the actual number ten role centrally. That would be interesting to see once we get or best players regularly playing together once more. The three man midfield could be Cabaye and then Tiote and Jonas – who would both provide the cover for the back line with their ball winning and work rate.
Could potentially bring the best out of us.
zero
we should sign falcao for 30 million
abeid should start ahead of cabaye
etc etc zzzzzz ha
198 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:10 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20028336
Believe it or not…but comments have been disabled… presumably to prevent the racist trolls from posting their trash.
199 Zero // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:11 PM
tads: Ronseal is bad for you, seriously knocks the wind out your sails, i was lucid dreaming after the last time i used it lol
200 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:11 PM
tads…I’ll give you some time to ease you in, adjustments take time and all (thanks Mr Pardew, you are a wise teacher). But my patience wont last forever. We’ll review things at the end of the week.
For now, your channel / flannel remark has removed your points for good / wood. Keep plugging away and we’ll see on the day. (starting to doubt if I really need you in all honesty).
201 funguswatty // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:12 PM
Full-time: #NUFC U21s 5 (Tavernier, Xisco 3, Abeid) Stoke U21s 1 (Alabi).
202 Ian Toon // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:12 PM
Bollance- I saw your post. Thought he played well aside from hand in our goal. Watching him going forward makes you realise what Simpson lacks in his game.
Carrying- why give Simpson a new contract when you’ve got a much younger Tavernier waiting in the wings. The game plan is to sell at the top and replace from within. We won’t get anything for Simpson but he does not merit an improved contract IMO.
203 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:13 PM
Geordie157
That corchia lad by all accounts has been the one massive positive of a disappointing campain last season and this season and he’s still only 21 i think?
LYF
There main striker rhymes with shite? Lets hope he plays it cos wor stevie was looking a bit chunky and might not keep up if he starts running
204 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:14 PM
@WWYCD
I dunno mate. There have been some rumours about his attitude, yes, but when he was on the bench for Europe, he had to leave cause of a sick son at home and Amalfitano took his spot.
So that was one “rumour” of his bad attitude.
Which wasn’t true.
So who knows, all i can say is we’ve seen his tekkers, in the first team, and his passing is quite impeccable and always above 90% pass completion, no matter how involved he is.
I just don’t think we should be anywhere near writing him off. I think he has loads to bring to the table, but so does Fergy atm, Obertan had a good show against Bordoux, etc etc.
205 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:14 PM
Carrying….Agreed. Once everyone is back and ticking along. Pardew isn’t much of a risk taker and for now, I don’t have a problem with that. Learn to walk before you run and all that.
I see you’ve read the kets guide too. It really was a thrilling read – available now on Amazon for those wanting to become as enlightened as I (I know we’ve all read the comments, but to see them come together in one beautifully arranged pamphlet is something to behold.
206 bollance // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:15 PM
Wwycd
Yes, Danny rose was their best player.
Does anyone know if he can play right back too and or left wing?
207 Ian Toon // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:15 PM
Ibiza…….your right IMO you do need help. Remember I am serious about everything.
208 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:15 PM
@tads
Inman has the making of a Nolan type player, but the lad has loads of pace to boot.
Scores and assists in abundance for the U-21.
I certainly think he deserves a chance, always a contendor for MOTM in U-21 matches, always gives a good show in highligts.
He certainly can’t be far off.
209 Carryingcoals // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:15 PM
tads
cheers mate, for the actual match report (the first part of my blog) I tried to remain as impartial as possible and just realistically look at the game, but I was genuinely shocked by how poor Sunderland were and had to highlight that.
I’ve had a few chats with sunderland fans online and one of my best mates is a mackem and the consensus seems to be that their midfield just isn’t producing. Evidently they did fail to create yesterday, nevertheless credit to our boys for containing them with a man less for most of the game!
I’m looking forward to see Coloccini next weekend against Shane Long mind, he’ll have his work cut out for him. I distinctly remember him being exposed by Long last season, something of a rarity from Colo!
210 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:16 PM
MFH
Would like to see that mbwia lad from montpellier alongside colo as partner/ student to the master
211 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:19 PM
Zero
“The wit and wisdom of Stefan Ketsbaia9″
can be reduced to two or three repeated comments.
Plus occasional ramblings like:
“I am probably the only one that talks sense on this blog.”
“I’m aware that there is around 3 different Ketsbaia9?s”
“What is a troll? Can someone please explain?”
“I am, but the other Ketsbaia9?s aren’t.
I’ve already said once that I didn’t deserve to leave the club so prematurely.”
“I’ve won a fantasy football challenge before, so I’m good at identifying people’s strengths.”
Is that enough ?
212 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:20 PM
Carrying
Thought it was well balanced and tbf there really wasn’t much good to say about sunderlands performance
Dannyo
Great to here we miss that nolan type player in the squad would be great if we have nolan jr in the ranks
213 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:21 PM
Dannyo
True true but there has been more than just that once that mumours about him have come out, I dont know anything concrete obviously but its not out of the realm of reality that he isnt happy currently
And aye when he plays he looks decent but still a little disappointing so far this season for me clearly hasn’t had much of a chance yet though so its hard to judge.
Dont get me wrong am not writing him off just starting to have doubts over how much he will do in a black and white shirt this season.
I think Sammy and Fergy have never failed to impress thus far though which I would say about either Marv or Obertan
214 cyprus // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:21 PM
Some people talking about selling Tiote??! I’m out of here…
215 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:22 PM
TADS
There are about two or three of his quality who we might bring in for under £8m.
216 Carryingcoals // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:22 PM
ian toon
I know what you’re saying with regards to our business model, I agree that we won’t get anything for Simpson.
I also think you make a good point about Tav, I rate him as a youngster.
However I still think we should give Simpson the contract. Tav isn’t at Simpson’s standard. Simpson is surely a ‘purple’ player. I really think that we have missed Simpson when he hasn’t been there. I mean, I love Perch and thought he was great yesterday but when he plays RB he is nowhere near as good as he is when in CM.
I don’t think Tav is ready to be our new RB. ie consecutively playing PL games. Or do you think we should focus on getting a new RB and ditching Simmo?
Also have you considered that we could give him a three year deal and still offload him before that said deal has expired?
I think Simpson is alright, he is our best right back and financially, I’d give him a deal and focus our transfer kitty on a CB rather than getting £1-£2 mil for simpsons and getting a new RB. Tav isn’t ready yet to fill his place. Only my opinion too of course.
217 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:22 PM
Ian…Do you know what figures are being mentioned for Simmo’s new contract? (genuine question – not a challenge). I don’t think he deserves a huge contract, but a raise? I would think he’s earned it. Wont lose too much sleep if he doesn’t extend, not sure Tav is quite ready to jump in the deep end yet, but certainly seems to be a player in the making.
218 zimtoon // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:24 PM
Ed are u trying to get a story out of tiote,was that challenge worse than robin van persie on cabaye’s challenge.it just happened that we were playing away had we been at home that would have been a yellow card or none. Its a shame we as newcastle supporters want to build a bad reputation for tiote just like Suarez now has a reputation for diving even when he deserves a freekick its waved away because people created a reputation for him. Everyone at liverpool defends him even when he dives because its for the benefit of their club so why we do the same about Tiote
219 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:24 PM
bollance
Thought so mate. I agree Rose has looked a decent player thus far and he wants away from Spurs I would be happy if we were keeping a keen eye on his perfomances
220 Carryingcoals // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:24 PM
tads @ 209 on mbiwa
I agree – totally. We have been linked with the likes of Douglas and Djourou, surely Mbiwa would slot in really well….
221 toonLYF // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:26 PM
tads –
essentially, aye. Although i think it’s pronounced “sheet-ay”
222 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:26 PM
MFH
Caulker?
223 stripes1009 // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:26 PM
Regarding the incident yesterday, l didn’t think the tackle was worth a red card. Yellow yes. I think Fletcher made a meal of his theatrics and he went in just as hard as tiote, difference being, tiote had just been held back. I also feel that due to the noise, they probably did not hear the whistle,
The ref was very poor. The number of times that Ba was ‘hammered’ from behind and no action was taken was unbelieveable.
Makes me wonder if the ref will be having a mackem shirt for xmas……
224 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:26 PM
MFH…Interesting article on racism, thanks for posting it. Also, good job on the Kets post – you clearly read the book.
Ian…..Well, that’s the first step out of the way. Any suggestions on which help I should seek? I’m running out of ideas and would appreciate some serious feedback.
225 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:28 PM
Xisco seems to have gotten an abundance of chances to score in this game, and has come close many times too, could’ve scored atleast 5 goals it seems.
But Campbell gets a huge praise yet again, for being the maestro in this match.
All he lacked was a goal.
226 rainrix // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:28 PM
Xisco hattrick? Xisco to start in brugge
227 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:28 PM
Stripes…Sounds like the worst Christmas present ever. If children were told they were getting a scum shirt instead of coal for Christmas I bet they’d behave a lot better.
228 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:31 PM
WWYCD
Rose will be a cracking player, definatly wants out can play LW too but the lads not right in the head he said he actually likes playing for sunderland something wrong there
229 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:31 PM
@WWYCD
I dunno, i haven’t really heard much on his attitude outside this sick son episode.
But as u say, it could be a matter of settling, attitiude, and etc.
No one really knows tho, but it’s a slight mystery that he’s dropped this far off atm.
Everyone wanted him ahead of Jonas and Obertan last year, now this. Bit odd indeed.
Sammy and Fergy have yet to fail to impress, that is true.
How good this team could be with a CB, FB and another striker…
230 Carryingcoals // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:32 PM
Dannyo
where are you watching this can I ask??
231 Magpie from Lithuania // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:33 PM
Yeah Xisco wasted few good chances, but made the hat-trick. Campbell was imense, Amalfitano superb, Inmann and Abeid did very well, Tav has scored the first goal. Marveaux was in the shadow of his own.. 5-1 AGAING, poor stoke-u21, no senior players tho.
http://www.nufc.co.uk/page/Match/Report/ReservesReport/0,,10278~2956546,00.html
232 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:34 PM
Dannyo
Stop with the xisco praise! Ketsys head is getting so big goodyear have contacted him about bieng the new blimp!
233 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:34 PM
@Carryinggoals
Just the matchreport at twitter atm bud.
Hopefully some NUFC highlights later on.
234 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:35 PM
@Carryinggoals
Just the matchreport and* twitter atm bud.
Hopefully some NUFC highlights later on.
235 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:36 PM
@tads
Lets hope Ed puts out 3 quick articles so Kets won’t catch up then
236 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:36 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Looked full of skill and did more than potato face did all afternoon. Haha maybe he just needs to be shown what playing for a real football club is like? Worked with Simmo
Dannyo
Yeah does seem weird that he has dropped so far back that he often doesn’t make the bench these days, I still hope he comes good obviously but he needs to up his performances to do so
Dont mention failed transfer dealings mate thats really opening a can of worms haha
237 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:37 PM
Carrying
Really would love to see mbwia here seems to have a great balance of power and pace think he’d flourish playing next to captain fantastic
238 geordie157 // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:40 PM
At least xisco is training alright and at least trying, ranger on the other hand will probably end up playing for a prison side.
239 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:41 PM
Not sure Mbwia beside Colo would be very good, CBs are all about partnerships imo Saylor and Colo work well together because they cover each others weaknesses. I think Mbwia (from what I have seen) is similar to Colo rather than complimentary to him, Colo replacement/back up I could see
Someone like Douglas or Sakho would be better beside him imo
240 Ian Toon // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:41 PM
Ibiza…. You always favour the underdog. Simpson is rumoured to want a £10,000 pw increase. He’ll likely go the way of Guthrie to a middle
Table fairing side. He did play well yesterday against both wide men switching and he kept his concentration well. but we won’t be able to
Progress formation wise with his limited ability going forward.
If he could go back in time he’d be just dandy. Pleasant dreams of smiley people.
241 Carryingcoals // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:42 PM
dannyo
ok, cool thanks
tads
definitely.
I know I’ve just argued for simpson to get a contract but eventually I’d like to seem him replaced, well ‘upgraded’ if you will. I just feel other areas need looking at and we could keep him there as we have bigger worries in other areas to concentrate on.
I’d obviously eventually look to replace simmo and willo and I also find a lot of people over rate steven taylor. Stevie isn’t a worry or anything but I do question him as a regular starter. I’d like to see a better player lined up alongside colo, plus our cb cover is obviously lacking.
Look at Everton for example they have Distin, Heitinga and Jagielka. If we had a pacey defender who was pretty much no nonsense like Distin alongside colo we could be great….
Mbiwa for me tads would fit the bill.
I hope I’m surprised in January and we strengthen the squad somewhat.
242 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:43 PM
YO
Aye theres only one proper team in the area!
243 Ian Toon // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:46 PM
WWYCD- Williamson deserves to be retained against WBA. Let
Taylor ease his way back against Brugge. Not enamoured with Taylor
following silly pre match comments he has form for being too big for his boots.
244 Carryingcoals // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:47 PM
WWYCD
That’s a good point about CB’s covering each other’s weaknesses. I think Colo’s is the lack of pace, he’s more of a sweeper I’d say. Whereas Taylor is more of your typical big english strong centre half. I’d like to see Colo paired with a pacey and intelligent centre half who could account for colo’s aging/lack of pace.
(not that i want steven taylor out of the club or think that pace is an integral part of colo’s game / he posses none)
I think Taylor’s role should be what WIlliamson’s is now. We should be progressing like that, know what I mean?
Also Anita is due a start isn’t he? Brugge a certainty surely, but where? CM?
245 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:49 PM
Yo
Would love sahko just not sure if tealistically we could land him!
Douglas not so sure on tbh
Carrying
No doubt would love to see an attacking FB come in at RB but even then would still want simmo as a squad player tav has potential but i think if we had landed a fb he would of hone on loan and tbh still think a decent championship side like palace would do him well for a season spell
246 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:50 PM
Ian…I’ve said many a time out of our normal starting 11, he’s the first to be upgraded. How much is he on now? From what I understand, by PL standards it’s really low, is he worth another £10k? I suppose that depends on who they bring in. Anita could take his place, but it is reported he asked for assurances that he would be playing CM (might be rubbish – I know, who would have thought?). All I’m saying is, unless he’s being really greedy (those days are over and I am pleased), then I feel we should make some effort to keep him. He has been missed imo and that says a lot for me.
However, yes, I do tend to favour the underdog the majority of the time.
247 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:50 PM
Ian
Oh aye I cant disagree I meant Willo and Saylor compliment Colo just forgot to add Willo in
Also agree on Saylors pre match comments bit too much of him trying to get in the papers maybe? Makes u wonder if he had kept his gob shut would he of started against Sunderland over Willo?
248 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:54 PM
Well, I am off, hopefully dreams of smiley faced people and Xisco scoring a hat-trick…..
Until next time good sirs
249 Carryingcoals // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:54 PM
tads
Well yeah definitely if we could get Debuchy for example I’d certainly be happy with that. Simmo won’t settle for being a squad player as Guthrie didn’t.
I like the look of Tav – he impressed when he played LB against Man U in the league cup.
I’m really happy with what seems to be going on at the club at the minute, great young players coming through, some brilliant first team players and certainly a stronger squad than last season. Just hope we aren’t crushed with someone leaving in January and us failing to replace them.
It’s such a shame we conceded that late own goal yesterday, it would have brilliant to win that at their place having played for so long with ten men and containing their attacking threat.
250 BelfastMagpie // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:54 PM
Told you all ages ago Xisco was like a new signing.
Im alwayš right!
251 Ian Toon // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:54 PM
Ibiza- I really am at a loss as to how you can be helped. How can I tactfully put it….er erm your beyond help. On football related though
you have an essential part to play during the if and but moments in the football calendar.
252 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:56 PM
Ian…I’m going to take that as a compliment as only a person in need of help would.
Ta ra for now.
253 mattyNUFC // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:56 PM
so we’re (some of you) easy in writing off Abeid because Pards is infallible, but now there’s people saying Inman deserves a shot in the team?
Come on now
254 geordie157 // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:57 PM
Sakho would be great but would cost the most of the centre backs that we have been linked with. Zouma looks decent but only seen him play once and he’s only 18.
255 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 9:58 PM
Carryingcoals
Fair points mate but I would add Colo is sometimes too easily muscled off the ball and his heading ability is regularly questionable which for me are bigger weaknesses than his pace purely because we have 2 very quick FBs who can cover him if used properly (training Santon to do this could help out a lot)
Mbiwa is fast and intelligent but hes small and a bit light weight I have a feeling he would suffer in this league with the stronger strikers if partnered with a like defender, someone like Saylor or Willo deal better and their height allows them to win balls in the air. Depends how Pards, Carr and Carver view the situation though…suppose we might find out in Jan if fat lad finds his wallet
toonarmydownsouth
Could be right about Sakho but a player in his mold am sure Carr could find, that is if we are looking for that type of defnder (we already have Saylor and Willo) whereas we only have Colo as a ball playing positional defender
256 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:00 PM
Matty
No ones writting off abied but saying bigi is in front of him in the pecking order
257 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:03 PM
Xisco hat trick for the under 21′s s how much young players can often flatter to deceive at great cost. Xisco and Ranger are the downside to Newcastles emphasis on youth. That’s millions of pounds doubly wasted as they don’t just cost so much in wages but also they waste a valuable and costly spot in the squad. Ashley’s gamble on youth pays off handsomely when it works ie Bigi, but also will continue to carry the financial burden of the failures that will always accompany the successes. This reality will surely force Ashley to also strengthen with quality, young but experienced players as needed.
258 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:03 PM
YO
Tbh thats why im leaning towards mbwia he’s still young and could be a long term replacement for colo in a few years
259 Carryingcoals // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:08 PM
WWYCD
I see where you’re coming from, very good points made there.
Taylor and Willo do make a lot of clearances in the air and are good when heading defensively (williamsons attacking heading capabilities are another story…) – That is where they do compliment Colo, you’re right there, well said.
Our fullbacks are quick, but when I’ve seen colo exposed for pace I’ve expected his centre half aprtner to be the one to bail him out. Maybe that’s not how it works but its the way I’ve looked at it.
Maybe we should help wor graham in finding a big tall centre half who can head the ball well but is equally as pacey on the ground to compliment our captain… sounds easy enough!
- One final point, I’d maintain that colo’s greatest weakness is his lack of pace rather than the limitations of his heading ability. However I’d not like these highlighted blemishes to distort my opinion of the guy; Colo is absolutely fantastic and our most important player.
260 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:09 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Oh yeah dont get me wrong am not against bringing in Mbwia, just against him being our starting CB with Colo, which (if the club agreed and am not saying they do) would raise questions over us bringing him in. I doubt he would want to play second fiddle and Colo has to be in the starting 11 when fit for me
Also he said he wanted to use us as a stepping stone to bigger clubs which could halt the long term replacement theory
261 bollance // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:10 PM
Another good win for us tonight ! Great team performance and class to get big Xisco a hat-trick ! Now onto #EuropaLeague on thursday ! #nufc
The words of Campbell after game tonight. Not sure I have ever herd anyone say that they got someone a hatrick. It is a bit condescending.
Is he suggesting that xisco only got the hatrick because the team put it on a plate?
262 Toon Tang // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:11 PM
“Indeed, for long spells Sunderland were nothing short of clueless in their attempts to break down a measured Newcastle magnificently marshalled by Fabricio Coloccini”
hahaha, an excellent quote from Phil Mcnulty i see.
263 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:12 PM
I think Colo’s ultimate emergence as the player he was touted to be when younger is very much down to his capacity to maximise his strengths and minimise his weaknesses. This was not always the case when younger and he could be caught out horribly at times, but he reads the game so beautifully now, that he rarely finds in himself in situations where he will be bested.
264 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:14 PM
Yo
Oh yeah forgot about the whole stepping stone thing! That bugger douglas said similar too!
265 Carryingcoals // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:17 PM
jaw
I’d agree with that, he has great positional sense.
For example there was a tussle with Fletcher in our box, Colo managed to poke the ball away. Willo was static and Simpson never managed to get the ball after Colo had gotten it away, Fletcher then put the ball in the box high, only for Colo to head it away.
Colo had gotten rid of the danger, then gotten back in a great position ready for the next installment of threat.
He just always seemed to be there cleaning up. His distribution is great and as you say, reads the game so well.
He is very cool, doesn’t dive in. Breath of fresh air!
266 Billythefish // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:18 PM
We will not pay top dollar for a CB, We will buy an up and coming player who will grow into the team. 4 mill tops
267 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:18 PM
Carryingcoals
Cheers mate u make a well made argument as well (often rare on here haha)
I fully see what u mean with ur comments as well and normally I would say it is the role of the CB partner to cover Colo’s lack of pace but I have seen more than once Simmo hauling his backside to get back in order to help Colo hold off a counter attack, I reckon if Santon worked that hard on his defensive duties it would cover Colo more often than not. Having said that a fast strong CB with heading ability would be ideal
As for finding a defender with those attributes sounds like Vertonghen to me
though Richards fits the bill as well, Aldierweild (dont know how to spell his name, that Toby lad from Ajax haha) sounds in the similar mold as well though I dont know too much about his style but we seemed to be very interested in him at one point
And yeah Colo is our most important player for me, he might not be perfect but I wouldnt trade him for any other |CB in the world right now
268 Carryingcoals // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:20 PM
bollance
I don’t think Campbell meant anything by what he said, he seems genuinely enthused that Xisco scored. I don’t think he’s trying to take credit or anything away from Xisco.
He comes across more of a team player/enthusiastic young kid playing football than being condescending/arrogant here in my opinion.
269 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:23 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Aye unfortunately I feel we will be stuck with players thinking like that until we are consistently top 6 with flutters into CL. Of course once they sign its up to us fans to show them exactly why our club is worth sticking around for and we have done that before no reason why we couldn’t again
270 Ian Toon // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:26 PM
Carrying- I agree on Shane Long he’s class and really underrated. We should have bought him for £5 million Reading were originally asking. He is the sort of small tricky forward were lacking – Campbell anyone. I have been singing the praises of Brad Inman he does deserve a chance and why not in Europa. Take it easy.
271 Carryingcoals // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:26 PM
WWYCD
This is why I enjoy this blog so much. Well said.
As for Vertonghen I have sang his praises on here. He was great against Lazio in the Europa and from highlights I’ve seen in the league he’s impressed.
- O and as for Santon, he is impressing me at the minute and he is improving, but he does have points on the defensive side that he has to work on.
Anyway, I’m off now. Some good points made there, it’s quite refreshing to have divergent arguments on here and not get slated haha! Take care.
272 Carryingcoals // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:29 PM
Ian Toon
– just before I go, YES, hugely under rated player. The Premier League’s next Defoe, pacey and a great finisher. Would love him here, always say we should have gotten him.
I said to bollance last week that I know basically nothing about Inman and a lot of you seem to like him on here, I hope he makes our Europa subs bench this week and gets a chance.
Pardew knows the magnitude of the west brom game at this point in the season, a lot of players will get a chance against Brugge to preserve our regulars for the weekend PL game. I’d really like to see Inman feature.
Take care!
273 Dannyo // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:31 PM
Interview with Donachie
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20121022/donachie-hails-xisco-attitude_2281670_2956661
274 bollance // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:31 PM
Carrying
He is good kid.
No sammy ameobi tonight. Does that mean he is now ahead of marv and will be playing some part on Thursday night.
If sammy is not in the squad I would be asking questions, especially of he is not injured.
I get the impression sammy is not 100% focused on his football and has too many distractions in Newcastle.
Always the answer – send him out on loan
275 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:32 PM
Carryingcoals
Nice chatting to u mate interesting points made well
Have a good un lad
276 WWYCD // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:37 PM
Feel its time for myself to retire also enjoyable evening chatting with u gents, have a good un
277 BelfastMagpie // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:38 PM
Im starting a movement.
The Xisco must start against Brugge movement
Are you’s in?
278 bollance // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:39 PM
Taken from
http://mobile.nufc.co.uk/default.aspx?s=news-display&aid=2956661
And Donachie was also pleased with the role played by the one-time Rennes player, explaining: “Sylvain’s simplicity is example to the others.
“You don’t need to be clever and do outrageous things – just do the simple things well and then when you have to do something good, do it. That’s the message to them and that’s what Sylvain did. Before it comes to him, he knows what he’s got to do with the ball and just gives it simple.
Against man utd in capital one cup marv lacked directness to his play and despite playing on the left wing he turned inside and played the ball backward or sideways slowing the play.
He did keep it simple and retain possession lacked positivity?
I don’t think he is happy at the club?
279 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:40 PM
Crrying
Am also a Vertonghen fan, also rate Mbiwa but think we’ll go for a sub £5m player. How sub I don’t know.
Am getting to the point where I wish we’d up the purple rate a couple of £m … the extra quality (well scouted) would easily repay the investment.
280 bollance // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:41 PM
Belfast
I would be gutted if xisco is in the euro squad ahead of Campbell. Don’t think there is room for both of them.
We will play a strong team and have a strong bench as it is a home game. We must win too. Two more wins and we will be through.
281 mattyNUFC // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:41 PM
tads
don’t feel like sifting for quotes but there was a discussion further up about how abeid won’t come good
282 bollance // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:43 PM
Mfh
We can up the number of purples but we must up the revenue coming into the club first.
283 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:45 PM
Yeah, Tiote will be working on his discipline, but it is a very fine line for a player like him who needs to be pushing the envelope aggression wise to be most effective. I’m sure it will improve, but as it does you have to accept he’ll be in trouble with refs. Having said that his sending off against the Mackems was more foolish than aggressive, that has to stop sooner rather than later.
284 bollance // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:46 PM
Matty
The better our first team becomes or is becoming the harder it will be for players to come through.
Chelsea is a prime example. Not many come through there
285 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:50 PM
I hope everyone is not getting to exited about Xisco scoring for the reserves. Do you really think there is any chance he will get a new contract or even come close to the first team barring a striker dilemma ? . The lads NUFC career was over a long time ago and if I had a time machine his would be one of the first transfers I would prevent. After signing Messi and Ronaldo as teenagers of course
286 89Norcal // Oct 22, 2012 at 10:51 PM
I’d be surprised if Pardew starts Campbell ahead of Xisco, just because Campbell is still young and will have plenty of chances to get time.
What the hell has Xisco been up to anyways?
287 davybtoon // Oct 22, 2012 at 11:05 PM
There’s room for both Campbell n xisco in the first team squad we only hav 3 strikers in ba, cisse n shola so 2 extra options, plus only one or two of our main 3 will play Thursday, shola n cisse n bring on xisco n Campbell for 20mins
288 toonLYF // Oct 22, 2012 at 11:08 PM
89Norcal –
getting Xisco on the back of my toon shirt tomorrow, that’s whats up
(sick joke of course, sick)
289 funguswatty // Oct 22, 2012 at 11:17 PM
any one know why my posts not coming up
290 bollance // Oct 22, 2012 at 11:40 PM
89norcal
So you would rather see a player who is out of contract at the end of the season then a player who has been dubbed as a potential England player?
And you think the club would hold this potential England player back by preferring xisco?
291 calvinzolamakongo // Oct 22, 2012 at 11:45 PM
Swear Inman played against Chelsea 2seasins bk in the cup and looked good
292 mattyNUFC // Oct 23, 2012 at 12:59 AM
calvin
i think you’re thinking of vuckic. he had a great game in that 4-3 win. i remember being at work and having to sneak away to check out the score. everytime i went back it was something different.
293 Santon03 // Oct 23, 2012 at 5:26 AM
Xisco could be playing again and I won’t be surprised if he will do well. He is in the last year of his contract, currently nobody wants him, his footballing career in europe will probably end. He is fighting for his life now.
If someone would offer 10-15m for Tiote, will you take that offer? considering we have so many players to fill in his position : Bigi, Gosling, Anita, Perch.
Not suggesting to get rid of Tiote, just your thought on this.
294 Santon03 // Oct 23, 2012 at 5:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMwVbxZ8qlQ
His name is “Jean”, real name is Jean Raphael Vanderlei Moreira. He is Brazilian, age 26, position DM.
Well.. I always buy him when I play Fifa 12, very cheap and low wage, incredible stats. I usually buy him and sell Tiote, because some clubs always bid on Tiote for 12-16m.
295 FatmanJoe // Oct 23, 2012 at 6:47 AM
It seems a little low for me but if it’s used to bring in a couple of players I would yes.
But I dont think any of those players are good enough to be a direct replacement. Bigi is a season away. Perch is probably the only one with the ability to play that role effectively.
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