Shane Ferguson showed again last night what an excellent crosser of a ball he is, and he had several efforts that were almost perfect deliveries last night, and after 15 minutes he put one on the head of Papiss Cisse, but the Senegal striker somehow managed to head straight at the goalkeeper.
Shane Ferguson in action last night – another good game
There’s no doubt that Shane has a wonderful left foot, and the Newcastle manager today chose an odd phrase to describe just how good that left foot is.
Here’s what Alan said in the local press today:
“Shane has one of those left feet you find now and again – you could peel oranges with that left foot.” “He hit three fantastic balls in the game.”
“I am a big admirer of him. I like the way he plays the game. He is progressive, a forward-thinking player.” “He wants to constantly attack and he has a big future at this club.”
Sammy Ameobi, Gabby Obertan and Shane Ferguson all impressed the manager last night, and we now have to hope that all three keep coming through and challenge for a first team position this season.
And we can add Adam Campbell to those three, as the Newcastle manager has said today the local striker is already making a good claim for a first team position.
This all sounds very good to us. 
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1 wolfshead@toon // Oct 26, 2012 at 11:14 AM
cisse like all strikers is a confidence player i hope hes not going to turn into a torres : (
2 IITianToon // Oct 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM
Very very impressed with Shane and Sammy last night.. though still feel Shane is a winger rather than full back.. and by the way what the hell happened to Tiote yesterday.. 3 times he gave the ball away to the opponent in our own half!!
3 Dannyo // Oct 26, 2012 at 11:21 AM
As AP said, Tiote was clearly affected by the red on Sunday, looked a shadow of himself in all areas.
I love seeing young players coming through, it’s been a long time since we had that now i feel, and there are so many making it at the same time.
The squad just feels instantly bigger.
4 tarie4 // Oct 26, 2012 at 11:22 AM
I think Alan wants to turn fergie into a Baines?? If he can get it out of him and move Santon to right back, some fullbacks we would have..
5 Spuggy // Oct 26, 2012 at 11:23 AM
Remember tiote was playing with a weaker cm and defence and was all over the park covering
6 tarie4 // Oct 26, 2012 at 11:24 AM
See some pple still slating oberton. wow some fans are just wow.
7 Scottiedog // Oct 26, 2012 at 11:29 AM
We need to keep hold of Fergie!!!! I can see him as a new Gareth Bale in a few years time!!
8 catchy in norway // Oct 26, 2012 at 11:40 AM
Right I never said obertan had a poor game, I said he took his goal well butch other than that he did very little, in the position he plays his main job is to supply balls into the box , now that normally comes from various ways , mainly crosses or direct running at the defence and passing,
No one says you have to beat the man to cross, no one says you have to get to the by line, get into space and cross, as I said , he is 23, when do you think they will teach him how to cross???? Is it being negative to suggest he carnt cross, ?????
The 2 most creative players last night where sammy and Ferg by a long way,
You have to ask yourself would he be in your team, if so would you play him as a right winger knowing he will not create much or anything, young romain is a much better footballer, where was he last night?
Like I said many times , Pardew has his fave players, but these do not make our team strong when he picks them
9 hotdog // Oct 26, 2012 at 11:44 AM
Young fergy is alot like silky sellars – not sure he ahs got a tackle in him for full back though!
On Obertan – He rightly got praise from me last night but posters on here saying “I told you so” are wide of the mark as generally his time in a NUFC shirt has been a disaster. I wouldnt be shouting from the rooftops yet as he is yet to influence a PL game, heres hoping though
10 hotdog // Oct 26, 2012 at 11:48 AM
Catchy – You need to look at his movement during the first half yesteray. It might have looked like he didnt have an end product but he was pulling two sometimes three bruge players with him to enable Fergy a free delivery, one of which cisse should have buried btw
11 Les Grossman // Oct 26, 2012 at 11:50 AM
ALIADIARE
F!!CK OFF
12 Les Grossman // Oct 26, 2012 at 11:51 AM
Treat with the disdane it deserves!!!!!!
13 catchy in norway // Oct 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM
Hotdog
I seen that, but that I not enough to justify a starting position in any match, having anyone out there, there will still make space , but don’t u think that we lose some great attacking position from him because he carnt cross, he relies on others behind him to put crosses in , last season it was Simpson , last night it was Ferg
But I’m mr negative to suggest he carnt cross,
14 tarie4 // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:06 PM
catchy in norway
Oberton can’t cross, so to Sammy mate?? Sammy was fantastic last night even though he lost the ball loads of times and hardly crossed. But Ofcourse u didn’t see that did U?? Why not say Sammy can’t cross too?? He set up the goal well other than that what did he do better than oberton?? Mate U are just being negative and if U can’t see that oberton has improved immensely from last season, then I sir are the one who is deluded.
he took on and beat his man, his control was top notch, his movement his passing. How can U justify him doing nothing other than the goal??
And for him passing to fergie. Dnt U think AP told him to draw his man pass to fergie so he has tym to put in a pearl of a cross?? After all fergie is the best crosser of the ball at the club imo?? Its called playing to ur strengths mate.
15 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:07 PM
The usual suspects are flying about like flies on a turd on here.
None of youse have a clue about how much juggling a manager has to do to keep 25-30 players happy. AP is a decent man manager and says the right things about his players and gave Gabby a good runout as he is clearly trying to get him to perform well on the cup stage to get his confidence up. Confidence is what separates great performances from average ones for a large wedge of players…Cisse included. And the whole EPL first 11 for that matter too.
Thank God none of you lot ever will get into management apart from off your keyboard and realise that real people not avatars need delicate handling and encouragement not successive blasts of gobshite.
No wonder this blog is getting fewer and fewer regulars returning. Slag the players, slag the manager, go and support the mackems if that is your attitude. Catchy, Kets … troll off with your inconsequential WUM pals.
We used to be able to have debates which included a bit of constructive and thoughtful criticism not this inexorable stream of drivel.
We did actuallyWIN last night with some incredibly encouraging performances from our second string. We do not have 11 Ronaldos or Messis at the Toon.
Rant over and out.
16 Carryingcoals // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Magpies Flying High
You raise a good point about confidence. Clearly with consecutive goals scored, Cisse will gain some and transform in to a player who wants to be on the ball a lot more.
One of the final points I’ve just made on my blog credited AP’s rotation. Look at AVB and Spurs, ok they should have won more games, but they’ve drawn three and have used far more first team PL players than Newcastle have.
Whilst I wasn’t overwhelmed with what we saw last night, it was a good result and I’m pleased with how things are going.
Some great individual contributions last night too, hopefully Santon can carry that form in to the West Brom game. He’ll have his hands full covering our centre halvess when Odemwingie and Long get in behind.
Anyway, good post. The best thing about this blog is the debate between fans who can come on here and actually learn about our side.
Good on Obertan to score, Fergie is a delight though. He could play first team for sure.
http://www.carryingcoals.com/?p=310
17 jesperfuglsang // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM
so have sense restored to the blog or are we still a bit deluded about our performance last night?
…and that goes both ways…
18 catchy in norway // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:25 PM
First tarrie
My point if you read it is that as a winger you have to create, creating space is not the same as creating a goal, and if you honestly believe a player should be on the pitch to creat space then u don’t want much from your players
Sammy was fantastic last night , he uses skill to beat his man and yes he may not cross the ball, you can see him driving into the box and making things happen, he made the goal
MPFH
Ok so now your saying only a manger can say something about a player and that fans don’t have the right, it’s a blog we can say what we like, and since when has tellin the truth been bad, I guess you must one of those type if ppl that says to the kids at school there are no winners, you all did good, well sorry life is not fair, and he was lucky enough to be chosen to be a footballer, may be if he did a good job he would not get stick, his manager sets him up ever time, instead of just saying that lad is improving( he is but very slowly for some his age) he chose to say we won the game because of him, and that is far from the truth, we had at least 6 better players than him last night,
We are not being negative, we are not trolls , I just think we know the game better than u:)
Do u still play? I do, I’m 39, and the thing he can do better than me is run fast, like I said he has been lucky to be chosen,
19 Carryingcoals // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:25 PM
jesper
What did you think?
I’d call it a routine win, could have scored more and should have (Cisse header) but Brugge could have scored one too (Bacca header off the ground and over the bar, and the Taylor block at the end)
Sammy, Fergie, Santon were good. We were a little clueless in getting the ball forward from midfield but we were in control of the game for large parts.
A decent showing and good to see Gabby get the goal with a good finish.
Bring on West Brom!
20 beefman13 // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:26 PM
I would love to see fergie given a chance on the wing with santon behind him.
The stumbling block in the whole equation is jonas AP still feels the need to fit him in, he sees that workrate as something we cant do without, im not knocking that but if you are attacking you aint defending and fergie and santon would be such an outlet down that line.
AP sees jonas as first choice and he picks the team its his call, its just personal preference.
I like santon as left back personally.
21 Carryingcoals // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:33 PM
beef
I rate Jonas and I love what he brings to the team but I do agree he doesn’t do enough in the final third as a winger should.
I’d like to see what you’ve said, with Fergie ahead of Santon on the left. Maybe AP could play Jonas CM in the absence of Tiote?
I do however think Perch will go CM and we will see Jonas on the left again.
I’m just longing for us to go 4-3-3 again. Jonas as one of the middle three rather as the wide man on the left.
Cabaye, Ben Arfa and Ba should cause problems Sunday but West Brom have goals in them too.
Fergie is a class act, I’m just not sure whether Pardew would select him to start another game in a row in such short space of time.
Thing is with Fergie and Santon it sounds promising, especially going forward, but we might see it and be exposed. Pardew knows he can count on Jonas, just look at his workrate against Sunderland. He was great at doubling up on Adam Johnson with Santon.
The good thing is, we now seem to have more options.
22 beefman13 // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:33 PM
hotdog, fergie isnt a simpson type of defender ie he dosnt make tackles like simpson i am agreed there.
Fergie though seems to get positioned were defenders dont take him on and last night he was not really stretched at all by their wide player.
Fergie is fantastic at the overlap and cross and thats a great asset to have in your team, were as simpson is a workhorse with no real special attribute but gives 100 per cent so that is a bonus for any team.
23 jesperfuglsang // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Carrying…I was impressed with the first half – not so much the second one.
…the youngsters stood out for me and Sammi and Fergy are really seigeing the oportunity.
The tactics went haywire in the second half and Pards sub of Anita for Shola backfired on him and I think he knew that the the second sub of Colo and last one of Cabs.
Strange second half for me, but the three points are the important aspect
24 catchy in norway // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:36 PM
Beef
I’d love Ferg in the team to, and not @ LB
Jonas should be dropped, but Pardew is loving him tucking and parking 3 in front of the defence , I would not mind if it stopped teams from scoring
25 Carryingcoals // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:39 PM
jesper
Yeah I know what you mean, I think we did need Colo and Cabaye just to see it through and steady it a bit!
Had Cisse taken a chance first half I think we’d have seen a far more assured and confident second.
Some definite positives though.
D you (or does anybody know) what Pardew said at half time about taking Anita off and bringing Shola on. I missed what he said. Was it tactical or did he disguise it as Anita taking a knock or something?
Shola’s introduction didn’t benefit us last night.
26 beefman13 // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:41 PM
carryingcoals, AP sees Jonas as a shoe in and he has given so much for the toon i cant really knock AP for that, but maybe at home especially he may just change that system, i think a freeness to attack at home has many advantages ie crowd are lifted which can feel like that extra man at SJP.
As you say there is still that responsibility for fergie to get back and cover santon if its getting a bit tight, we know jonas does that but isnt half the threat for me as fergie going forward.
So you have a balancing act, and for me, especially at home attack is always king at SJP
27 Les Grossman // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:44 PM
Okay
See ‘The mag@ posting re Obertan last night and tell me they didnt read my post after the last euro game v Bordeaux, when almost every frigga on here were virtually messing themselves about his superstar performance!!!
The lad can play, no denying, I am a fan, but he is nowhere near as good as the players currently in front of him in the pecking order!!
28 hotdog // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Catchy – You could look at the weaknesses of all players but he needs praise for last night’s performance. I do not agree with MFH that players are beyhond reproach it makes for healthy deabte on here, although my patience was tried last night when we got a good win and there were some right moaners.
29 Les Grossman // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Also was deeply concerned about the second half performance last night. Thought we showed ignorance and arrogance to a degree and we are not in that league of being able to go out knowing we have a game won yet!!
Lets hope we dont do that again in Bordeaux or Bruges.
30 beefman13 // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Catchy, i was so looking forward to campbell getting half an hour last night, and when shola came on i was sort of dissopointed beacuse it was the perfect opportunity to give the lad a run out, also seen any times fergie and he are on the same wavelength when in the same team.
I think if we had of went two up early second half campbell would have got a chance, cisse was not really involved at all second half for me.
The maritimo match at home may be the game were AP will give campbell a start if we have qualified, and go santon, fergie, on the left as well.
31 Carryingcoals // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:49 PM
beef
Fair point, I do think we need to be more expansive going forward at home especially and I can see how Jonas prohibits that.
What he can do, which I find people neglect, is he is one of our few players who seem to have the ability to pass the ball, along the floor in the opposition half. Ben Arfa and Cabaye do it marvelously but Jonas contributes to that too.
Against West Brom, Jonas will play and I would definitely use him. I do agree with what you’re saying about him on the left though.
Maybe Pards could play 4-3-3 and we might see us scoring/creating a lot more.
krul
simmo willo colo santon
cabaye perch jonas
HBA Ba Cisse
Cabaye, Perch and Jonas could form quite a decent little mix in the midfield, and I think that’s where we can get the best out of Jonas.
The problem now exists on that left hand side. We can’t put Ba there again, Jonas isn’t penetrative enough and Cisse doesn’t seem to have the workrate about him to do well there.
I would like to see Ferguson there mind, he does really impress when given the chance.
Rather than drop Jonas though, I’d prefer to re-position him. I do think you make a good point about how we should set up at home though, we could do with being a little more adventurous.
Any chances we have mostly come from Ben Arfa, we need to start going forward better as a team. Maybe with all players now available we will.
32 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:59 PM
Having one one and all?
Have skimmed the posts, seems the biggest topics are:
1) Was Obertan really good or okay, but good for him? My answer…Does it really matter? He is improving and correcting certain elements of his game that we’ve been b*tch*ng about for ages. That’s a positive. Finished article? No. But signs are looking better. Happy days.
2) Negativity. Game time is pretty horrendous on here, but that doesn’t mean anyone who questions something is being unreasonable, we do need balance.
3) Optimism. Can be over the top at times, but hardly surprising when you have people complaining about the man who ultimately made the difference last night (Not saying one goal makes someone MOTM – but credit where credit is due).
Think that’s it. Phew…..saved myself half a day there.
33 beefman13 // Oct 26, 2012 at 12:59 PM
carryingcoals, i personally will stick with anita in midfield, he needs a run of games and with tiote out it gives him the perfect opportunity.
As AP will play jonas he may go jonas cabaye anita in the middle for that three, it would be a bit of a kick in the stones for anita if he picked perch there in front of him.
To be honest with WBA having such a good start he will probably go 442 again. yawn, but safe in his eyes.
Remember last season when they caught us out when we played too high a line and brunt and long caused no end of grief, that has to be looked at this time.
34 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:00 PM
Having a good one, one and all*
Good start.
35 Les Grossman // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:02 PM
Bigi before Anita, everytime for me!!!!
36 Carryingcoals // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:03 PM
beef
Yeah I can see a 4-4-2 with Ba and Ben Arfa saving us a bit.
2-1 to us!
ibiza
well surmised about Obertan!
37 beefman13 // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM
A sweeper dosnt happen very often now but colo would make the ultimate on for me, against teams with pace up front i would not rule it out, we have been caught many many times over seasons gone by like this with quick strikers getting behind us.
Yea i know it wont happen, but a sweeper nulifies pace in the opponents team.
38 fray bentos // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:06 PM
@Catchy
Who cares if you still play?!!?
Don’t mean shit, im in my thirties and i play with a bunch of 20 and 30somethings and few of the 30somethings ive played with since i was a lad still have no tactical awareness or team ethic as they did when they were at school, being ball gready and standing in one place when not on the ball.
Nobody cares if your 39 or still play football
39 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:09 PM
Les….I have so far been more impressed with Bigi than Anita too. I’m putting a lot of Anitas underwhelming start due to transition, needing to get up to pace, having his family overseas (inc his newborn), etc. I believe he will come good, from most reports he’s meant to be a cracking little player.
Carrying…Why thank you. Will read your match report later. I was quite happy watching the game last night (although I missed from about 20 mins until Obertans goal (thank you internet). Think we controlled well, but didn’t attack quite as much as I’d like for a home game. However, for now, the points are what matters, still happy to give Pardew and the lads time to work on their style.
40 beefman13 // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:10 PM
Les grossman, i though big was not at his best last night and was surprised he wasnt taken of for cabaye instead of fergie, and its personel preference again but fopr me anita will prove he is a good player for us,
Always one of the first on the team sheet at ajax, he maybe is one of those players who needs bit more time to settle, its been a bit stop start so far for the lad but i really believe he will come good and be a real asset for us, as will big of course.
41 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:10 PM
Catchy…I care, don’t listen to Fray.
Wait, what are we talking about?
42 Carryingcoals // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:15 PM
ibiza
cool, yeah I agree with that. I didn’t comment on here too much, was quite shocked by the negativity. It wasn’t plain sailing last night but hardly any reason to see some of the complaints I read!
43 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:19 PM
Carrying….It’s an emotional game and I get that people want fast paced and attacking football. I do feel that people are often a bit unreasonable with their expectations and seem to want the finished article now. If there were no signs of improvement, then yeah, make the complaint, but is there a need to beat it to death on a daily or weekly basis? Where is their enjoyment of the game? Doesn’t bother me so much these days, I just avoid the blog during game time. Shame, used to be some good banter and discussion.
44 Carryingcoals // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:22 PM
ibiza – yeah exactly, the blog is at its best on a midweek night, lots of discussion and a lot of good points flying about. occasionally the odd kets insight to think about too. Can’t beat it!
45 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Catchy are you seriously saying the only thing that Obertan does better than you is he has pace ?
Jaw dropping statement that one.
46 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:25 PM
Carrying…..When it’s good, it is really good
What are your thoughts about the WBA game? Confident? Overly worried? Think I’m a bit of both.
47 hotdog // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:26 PM
Ibiza – Thank you for the heads up but i posted during the match, didnt think it could be that bad. I stand corrected and will heed your words of wisdom in the future
Funnily enough Jesper was “pushing my buttons” but i think it was because his good lady was plying him with drink. haha
48 Carryingcoals // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:29 PM
tequila
I thought that too lol
ibiza
Well I think they’ll score, as will we. They seem quite ruthless and if Long and Odemwingie aren’t producing, then they have Lukaku in reserve. I’m still shocked he’s even at West Brom, before he went to chelsea he was touted as the next big thing.
PLus their midfield will worry us a lot more than Sunderland’s did. Mulumbu and Yacob seem to be playing well holding together, then the likes of Brunt, Morrison and Gera have had good games this year too.
SO yeah I am a bit worried for it to be honest, but I think the game will be decided by how well we attack ourselves.
It would definitely be a good win for us, I’m going for 2-1 to us. Definitely excited though because I genuinely think this one will be a good game, maybe a lot more open than we’ve been used to!
49 tarie4 // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:29 PM
Catchy
“My point if you read it is that as a winger you have to create, creating space is not the same as creating a goal, and if you honestly believe a player should be on the pitch to creat space then u don’t want much from your players
Sammy was fantastic last night , he uses skill to beat his man and yes he may not cross the ball, you can see him driving into the box and making things happen, he made the goal”
Didn’t oberton drive into the box against Bordeaux and made the goal??
U say a winger shud cross the ball, then go on to say its ok if Sammy doesn’t do it (well U implied it) also oberton uses his skill and pace to beat his man.
Since last season U have been on this lads case. Fair enuf he did deserve his criticism, but if the lad plays well, U need to give praise also. Be man enough to do so mate. We are all wrong in our judgement occasionally.
yes he has areas to improve on but as U are one of his biggest critics I have to ask.
Has oberton not improved at all??? Was is performance yesterday not better than what U saw last season??
his control movement etc?
That is what U shud be looking at and thats what most of us look at, so too AP thats why he gave him praise coz he has improved in ALL areas of his games. And I can’t see why U dnt see this.
Give praise when praise is due mate
HWTL
50 fray bentos // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:31 PM
@Tarie 4
Ah but Catchy still plays football and he’s 39 so i think he knows best, were wrong
51 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:32 PM
Hotdog….Ignore me at your own peril
Without exaggerating (although speculating with a theory 
) I bet even if we won a game 5-0 people would still be complaining about something, whether it’s a player that they wanted to see, someone who didn’t quite perform like they wanted or god forbid someone misplaced a pass. Highlighting issues is fine and even needed some times, but this borders on madness for me. Not that I mind madness of course, I just prefer to enjoy my insanity instead. Different folks, different strokes.
As for Jesper, don’t let him fool you, one of the biggest WUM’s to ever enter the blog, I should know, we attend a monthly WUM meeting.
52 hotdog // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:33 PM
On WBA i think we will spank them. We are due a few goals and although they have started well im expecting us to prick their bubble. Colo will handle long better but he is the one we need to keep an eye on good player
53 jimiley // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:36 PM
Anita has been a bargain at 6 million. Who says you need to be big to make it? A few more games under his belt and it will be obvious why he was Ajax best player last season. He is world class and we snatches of it in every game he plays.
54 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:37 PM
Seems we all feel the same about the West Brom game then. Tbh, I haven’t been watching them, but from their positioning they’re clearly doing well….or haven’t they played anyone yet? Or does that only apply if Newcastle are doing well? I get so confused about the rules on judging teams these days.
55 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:39 PM
On last night’s performance, we were by far the better side, we passed Brugges to death at times last night it’s just that we were missing a little bit more guile in the final third. Had Cisse scored that header from Fergie’s pearl of a cross in the 15th minute I think the game would have opened up and we probably would have won 2-0 maybe even 3-0.
Cisse is making great moves, taking some difficult balls really well in the box, the only thing that isn’t working for him is that the ball isn’t going into the bloody net (although a striker of his quality should be bagging that header) I touted him to score last night and in all fairness on another night he would have had at least 2, so it will come good for him.
We never really looked troubled by Brugges, except on the left a few times, and from that free header when they really should have equalised but other than that we played pretty well, were defensively sound, and saw some really encouraging performances from our fringe players, most notably Obertan, Fergie, Sammy.
Remind me, what is it that people are complaining about?
56 hotdog // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:45 PM
Quasi – Exactly
Ibiza – I think Jimiley need to join your WUM meeting. Anita World Class!!!!!!!!!!
Anyhoo im off to buy some fleecey lined pants bloody freezing my bo**ocks off today
57 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:45 PM
Quasi….Than Obertan isn’t Ronaldo. Willo isn’t Colo and that Pardews basically just terrible.
Hope that helps.
I had forgotten about their “free header”. Was the only moment I remember being worried, but quickly followed by laughter. So all good.
58 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:47 PM
Hotdog…I wish you and your b*ll*cks a warm and enjoyable afternoon and weekend.
I think Anita will come good and should prove to be WC (based on others reports, not my own viewing of his time at Ajax) but Jimiley can certainly join the WUM starters class (incidentally, no one has made it to Kets’ class quite yet – the guy is a hero at these get togethers).
59 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:49 PM
Quasi….That* not than.
60 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:49 PM
Well you know what they saw about pleasing all of the people all of the time…
I know it is only right and proper that people question players if they aren’t cutting the mustard, but it seems that whenever Obertan plays well, those that were questioning him can only ever say “well he isn’t performing consistently”
In response to that ridiculous comment I would say, Obertan’s last two games have been in Europe, last night against Brugges he was one of our better players and against Bordeaux he was one of our better players, how is that not consistent!?
Just looks like poor Gabby isn’t going to win over some fans but he needn’t worry, there are a good few of us who can appreciate a good performance regardless of who it is.
61 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM
Quasi…I think it’s fair to say they’re just jealous of his wonderful good looks.
Overall, he does need to show more consistency, it’s a fair enough point, but is it too much to say that he looks to be improving and good on him? At what point can he get at least some credit? God help him if he has a bad game sometime, he’ll be back to square one with some people.
62 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM
Ibiza
Well his recent performances have been considerably better than most of his performances last season and for me that is a marked improvement. He is still really young in terms of development.
Some on here are saying “why did we sell Wayne Routledge?” and no doubt if we sold Obertan and he went on to be a pretty good player at some other club the same people who are slating him would be the first to say “why did we sell Obertan?”
Just seems that there is no pleasing some people, I wonder why these people support our club as they seem to go out of their way to find fault with players, management or other aspects of the club. I always have and always will prefer to see what is good about our great club and celebrate it instead of trying to drag others down with banal negativity.
63 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 2:05 PM
Quasi….Seems we’re on a similar page then. Oh well, let me tell you, from experience, just get on with your own thing, waste of time trying to point this out to some, it doesn’t go down well.
So, critiqued the blog to death, what football debate is on offer?
64 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 2:14 PM
I’d imagine that those who prefer to take a more hyper critical view on all things NUFC don’t like it when their stance is criticised…seems a hypocritical contradiction doesn’t it but as you say it more than likely is a waste of time pointing it out.
Well the next obvious pit stop on the football debate is the next match against WBA. I noticed your thoughts on WBA and I myself am a bit worried about them too. They have had a great start to the season, but it would makes sense that they are going to fall away soon. They were unlucky last week against City so it remains to be seen how they respond to defeat, do they come out all guns blazing or sit back?
There is no doubt that we have the quality to beat them, so the result is in our hands I feel but I wouldn’t discount the quality that they have in their ranks, more notably Brunt, Long and Mulumbu who are all cracking players in my view.
65 lucasnufc // Oct 26, 2012 at 2:21 PM
Trying to book tickets for the game this weekend, does anybody know how to tell the system you’re a student? It says it’s cheaper if you are.
66 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 2:22 PM
It seems the West Brom question helps shine some light on our debate of need for differing opinions on here. Everyone who has answered feels the same. Come on, we need some extreme views
Offline for a bit now, but been good chatting.
Catch y’all later
67 AmericanGeordie // Oct 26, 2012 at 2:28 PM
@ Beef & Carrrying #20 & 21. (RE: Fergie, Santon & Jonas)
The solution is as plain as the nose on my face. Set up in a 4-2-3-1 with Santon @ RB and Fergie @ LB. These guys want to run and attack, and they both possess the quality to deliver in the final third (which Simpson just does not have).
This formation also provides a solution to our Jonas problem (great heart and work rate, but not enough quality in the final 3rd to be a regular winger). Play Jonas next to Tiote (Perch for the WBA game) as holding mids who can effectively fill the space vacated by the marauding FBs.
I think this lineup and formation gives us width and a variety of attacking options, yet it’s sound in the back with two tough holding midfielders to boss the center of the park and cover for our young, fast and highly skilled FBs.
68 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 2:40 PM
We played very well in the first half last night using the 433. We had total control of the game and created more chances while Bruge created very little but as soon as Pardew changed the formation the to 442 in the second half we lost control and struggled to create anything while they had more chances. And our goal had nothing to do with the 442. It was a counter attack and Sammy was out of position.
69 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 2:43 PM
Ashton
We played well throughout the 90mins, keeping possession and playing the ball around well. We only had Cisse in the box in the first half and things weren’t really working for him as he seems to be out of form so Pards stuck Shola in for another body in the box.
Anita just doesn’t seem to be settling in so the decision to put another body up front to pose more of a threat while taking Anita off seemed to make sense.
Would I be wrong in thinking that you think Pards made a tactical mistake last night?
70 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 2:48 PM
That`s right Ashton, damn you Sammy for not sticking like glue to the wing. Making a goal does not justify such slack play.
71 cyprus // Oct 26, 2012 at 2:51 PM
Carrying goals,
Nice article at your post. Missed the game and needed a balanced view, you seem to have provided it. btw, thanks for not mentioning the words Ober and confidence together! In fact now we need to look at Cisse and confidence in conjunction. That incredible player is there, let’s support him…
72 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 2:51 PM
Quasi.modo
But Shola was very ineffective and Cisse didn’t even touch the ball in the second half and we lost control in midfield. In the first half Cisse had many chances in the first half and if he had been in better form he could’ve scored. So we were tactically better in the first half. Also towrd the end of the game we switched to 433 again because Pardew realized that we were getting controlled.
Also Anita was playing out of position and Pardew seems to rate Bigi higher than him which is crazy!! I can’t blame Pardew for taking Anita off because I think he is saving him for the Wba game.
Pardew should stop persisting with the 442. It’s not working as well as the 433.
73 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 2:54 PM
tequilamag
Way to misunderstand everything! My point was; we didn’t score because Pardew switched to 442 and that it had nothing to do with that formation.
74 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 2:56 PM
Ashton
I must say that I disagree that we lost control in the midfield at all.
I also disagree that Anita was played out of position, he was played as a more attacking CM, he claims that CM is his preferred position and as such should be performing better. I accept that he is bedding into the country, the team and the style of play but based on form Bigi has earned his place and to say that it is crazy that he is preferred is being very unfair on Bigi,
4-3-3 does seem to get more fluid football out of the side but that is not to say that 4-4-2 should be dropped altogether. 4-4-2 was the basis of our success last season and it is clear that Pardew values it. All of those that are calling for it to be ditched entirely are just going to be bitterly disappointed.
75 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 2:56 PM
Ashton I truly do understand your point, or rather the two points you have been making all season. 433 blah blah blah. Pardew is useless blah blah blah.
76 Ginger // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:08 PM
What’s your teams against WBA?
For me it’s got to be 4-3-3
Simpson—-Williamson—-Coloccini—-Santon
Perch—-Bigirimana
Cabaye
Ben-Arfa——————-ferguson
Ba
77 Ginger // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:09 PM
Well that did not work properly!
78 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:09 PM
Quasi.modo
Anita is a Dm/deep-laying-play maker. Last night he was played as a box to box midfielder. You’ve obviously never seen him play with Ajax. He is miles ahead of Bigi in terms of quality and technique and he shouldn’t be played out of position for Bigi’s sake! That is crazy!
Also last season the 433 was far more effective than the 442.
79 Carryingcoals // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:15 PM
American Geordie
I always seem to miss you on here which is a shame because we generally share similar views
What you’ve said definitely seems appealing but I don’t think we are quite there yet in terms of allowing our fullbacks to maraud so far. I think it’s something we should be aiming for – that setup. At present however we are far from our best and the safer options, ie Jonas on the wing and Simpson right back will be something Pardew will count on.
Ideally I’d like to see what you’ve suggested put in to action.
cyprus
cheers mate, glad you read it
80 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:16 PM
tequilamag
Nice rebuttal there. you’ve totally proved me wrong!. I mean “blah blah blah” just subjugated my dignity and proved how wrong my thoughts were.
81 Carryingcoals // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:16 PM
ginger
lol, no not quite!
I also think you’re off the mark to put Bigi in for Jonas mate.
82 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:17 PM
Ashton
Anita has played at CM before, he can play with a ball at his feet and that means box to box as well. To think that in this day and age that a Premier league footballer is unable to perform slight deviations from their norm is acceptable would be wrong in my view.
Bigi has been excellent in his performances this season and I for one hope he continues to get the nod from Pards as he is a genuine bright spark for this club.
We played 4-3-3 very sparingly last season, also do you not remember how we were destroyed by Wigan playing 4-3-3? It does have its disadvantages. We consolidated our position with 4-4-2 and got some excellent results due to this formation. You may not like it but as long as Pardew is here 4-4-2 is here to stay.
83 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:20 PM
Ginger
I think we will play a 4-4-2, Perch alongside Cabaye, Jonas on the left and HBA on the right with Shola and Ba up front. Williamson will probably get the nod over Taylor for his performance against Sunderland and Santon will be LB with Simpson RB.
Would like to see a more fluid set up but until we have Tiote back I would refrain from it.
84 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:26 PM
OK then Ashton, point by point. Being obsessed with 433 over 442 shows a lack of understanding of tactics. All formations have their strengths and weaknesses. There are many variables to be taken into consideration as to which should be played. Players available at ant given time, which opponents we are playing etc. Pardew has had success using both systems. I would not be at all surprised if he went 433 against WBA nor would I be surprised if he changes system through the game. Last night he went 433 then 442 then back to 433. That is one of the strengths of his management. Before the Everton game you were screaming to drop Ba and play 433. Pardew did exactly that and we were awful that game till he switched back to 442.
I just find your analysis far too rigid as to the merits of 433 being the only possible way we can play good football.
85 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:29 PM
Quasi.modo
We only played 20 minutes against Wigan using the 433. After that we changed to 342 than 541 than 442 again all in that same game.
Also there is a big difference in those positions and you not noticing that shows that you don’t know as much you think you do about football. Lampard and Gerrard are a prime example of what I’m talking about they are known for their versatility in the middle of the park but are shadows of themselves when played out of position there.
Anita is a deep-laying-play maker. He plays very close to his center backs and rarely attacks. He relives pressure and makes himself available to his defenders when they have the ball. He plays simple passes and makes little tingles in midfield to help keep position and to add options in midfield. You don’t know this because you’ve never seen him play for Ajax were he was one of their best players. I like Bigi but Anita is miles ahead of him.
86 Carryingcoals // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:29 PM
quasi
I think you’re spot on with your prediction there and I know what you mean about Tiote. Very realistic there, good post.
87 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM
*352
88 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:35 PM
tequilamag
We were awful in the Everton game period. In fact tactically we were better in the first half. We didn’t give them many chances and created a few and they only scored because Marv was horrendous defensively. In the second half we were all over the place and conceded more than we scored and we were so lucky to get away with a point.
89 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:39 PM
Ashton that last post is exactly why I shorthand your opinions to blah blah blah
90 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:39 PM
Ashton
I must say that I find you to be a very insulting and degrading poster with a huge superiority complex.
You have called the Wigan game entirely wrong but instead of making you feel like an idiot I am going to take the high road. If you keep alienating people with that aggressive style of yours you will even lonelier and angrier than you are already.
91 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:53 PM
I dunno I think we should play 4-3-3 all the time, no matter how the opposition form against us and how tactics change during a match and even if injuries to our first choice players mean we have to shuffle someone out of position 4-3-3 and thats it done. Next topic – Xisco anyone?
92 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:59 PM
Awww c’mon it was dead before I got here……
93 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 3:59 PM
Back…
Tsunki…At last some sense. Thank you sir.
On Xisco, as long as we play the aforementioned 4-3-3, absolutely needs to be starting each game. Did you not hear he scored a hat-trick for the reserves?
94 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Damn…what have I stepped in to here?
95 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Yes good sir, and against their mighty reserves at that! It signals his return as an attacking force to spearhead our 4-3-3 against the might of europe’s best. All we need now is to bail out Nile and we can banish Cisse to the development league and sell Ba to Liverpudlia. Of course Abeid and Marveaux need to tuck in behind them, get shot of tiote and that little runt Bigiririririama or whatever he calls himself.
We should buy Ibrahimovic. He’s on a free in 4 years time.
96 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Ha ha Ibiza i bet ou thought you’d stepped into a black void of blogblivion there
smiley for you btw.
97 Munster Mag // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:07 PM
Ashton, I agree with the assessment of Anita. One of the Irish papers also mentioned before the Ajax v Man city game that Anita was their best player last year, along with the centre half who went to Spurs. I think Bigi will be class and has done better so far, but Anita’s best role is as you have described, in my opinion. We need to give him time.
98 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Quasi.modo
lol You think a midfielder should be able to play equally well in every deviation in that position. This is not a video game!! There are many different styles and roles in the middle and every one requires different abilities and attributes. Just the fact that you are oblivious to this shows how much you know about football.
And I called the Wigan game right and you can’t tell me I’m wrong without providing a set of argument against my opinion.
99 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Tsunki…..I missed the game, but from all accounts we need to start playing him or risk losing him in January (and we wont get the big money he’s worth due to being in the final year of his contract). If Pardew can’t see this then he needs to go, 8 year contract or not.
If we move Abeid and Marveuax in to the starting line up we could sell Jonas and Cabaye (both grossly overrated) and could finally beef up our defense.
Bring in Scharner and Falcao (to play back up to Xisco, naturally – you know, domestic cups etc). There’s also a FB whose name I can’t remember (and tbh, it’s kind of messing up the joke here, so perhaps I should stop? Nah).
We need to release Willo and Simmo a.s.a.p, we’d be better playing a 2-3-3 than having either of those 2 starting.
Just want to say Tsunki, it’s so good to have a like minded individual about – it can be hard on here, no one seems to know anything about football.
100 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:12 PM
and thanks for the smiley, although it is a little girly.
101 Rotonda heights // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:14 PM
Ibiza
I too hail from the same school of irony and sarcasm
as your good self, but your ability to apply it to every comment is truly astounding.
102 Munster Mag // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:17 PM
Jeez Ashton, we agree again. People are obsessed with 4-3-3 . In reality its worth little if Tiote is kicking people legs off. Nobody complained when we went 4-4-2 against Everton. The problem we have is twofold:
1. Fitness and form of players
2. The players and set ups ( eg 4-4-2 ) dont quite match up.
103 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:18 PM
Munster Mag
I’ve seen him a lot playing for Ajax and I agree 100% with the fact that he was one of their best players. He is a fantastic player but he hasn’t played in his favorite position for us yet. We are playing 442 with hoofball tactics and it’s hurting his game so badly. Playing in the middle in a 433 formation will allow him to play in his main position and show us what he can do alas Pardew is refusing to do so and even when he does play 433 he plays him out of position!!
104 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:19 PM
Rotonda…It’s probably why I finished top of the class.
Sarcasm aside, perhaps I over do it (probably not just perhaps), but it’s not every comment, at least I hope not.
Tequila….I don’t agree with Ashtons posts most of the time, but I do feel you have picked up on his Ameobi goal vs 4-4-2 a bit out of the blue. I think all he was trying to do was say that the goal wasn’t a result of reverting back to 4-4-2, so please don’t use it as an argument to say that it was this tactical change that turned the game around. Apart from that, don’t have much else to offer.
105 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Can I ask everyone to stop trying to change me and my postings. If we take smileys and sarcasm from me, I’ll be left with what, maybe half a dozen decent posts, is that what you all want?
Please don’t answer that, i’m not leaving
106 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:27 PM
Ibiza just winding him up as he was second guessing that people would point out that we scored after going 442. The football we played in the first half was a lot more pleasing on the eye with 433. I just find his obsession with 433 a bit tiresome. Don`t think I argued that switching to 442 was the reason we scored.
107 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:27 PM
tequilamag
Also against Everton in the first half Ben Arfa was played on the left and that’s not his best position and he is less effective there. Also Marv had a shocker and was played out of position as well on the right and Also Perch was all over the place as a RB and Cisse was out of form. These all led to the 433 to not seem to be good to you.
We were hardly better in the second half when thinking that they had two good goals disallowed and scored one and we got super lucky.
108 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:30 PM
Tequila…No, no you didn’t, nor did I say you did
Just thought I’d stick my nose in, as I felt there were and are many other points in there to discuss. I shall be quiet now (oh if only).
109 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Ashton Ba scored 2 goals in the second half of the Everton game. This is the same Ba you were screaming should be dropped but Pardew was too scared as he did not want to upset him. Well Pardew took your advice in the first half and dropped BA and switched to 433.
Ashton I doff my hat to your tactical genius.
110 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:38 PM
I love it how every time I try to tell people that 433 is our best formation they always mention the Everton and Wigan games and how it didn’t work out in those two games. They have nothing else than those two. Even with the fact that it’s a misconception to blame the 433 for our display in those games, don’t you think it’s a pathetic excuse when thinking about how many sh(t games we’ve played this season and the last with 442?? I could name 20 right now.
111 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:39 PM
so please don’t use it as an argument to say that it was this tactical change that turned the game around.
Hate to get all copy and paste on your ass Ibiza but you kind of did.
112 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:39 PM
Half a dozen? Huh you wish. That would still be 7 more than me though
I dont mind the differing opinions its the stating that someone knows nothing about anything if they disagree that makes no sense. OK we have the ketsy scenario, I know he keeps getting called out but he’s consistently wacky and pannini-rooted.
What I find most revealing is that, having watched nothing of the game last night but the goal, there seems to be a lot of emphasis and argument over formations, tactics, players who are out of position or will never amount to anything, yet very few dwelling on the fact that we played with a hugely experimental team, forced to adapt to each other very quickly, against a very tidy team who are not exactly useless, got to see a few players do their stuff and try them maybe out of comfort zones. Oh and we still beat them, by all accounts should have been more but for uncharacteristic finishing from last years’ mega-hero number 9.
I think the critique is going downhill.
113 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Ashton your missing the point entirely, I don`t favour 442 or 433. I favour letting Pardew pick the system he thinks will work on any game.
114 Charlietoon // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:44 PM
I think a lot of attacking players gave Fergie a wide berth because he is so quick and attacking minded himself. If he gets the ball off you he is likely going to be heading up the line instantly looking to make something happen. No one wants to be the guy the gives the ball away that lets the other team counter attack and score so they themselves come in a bit more. No one ever had that fear of Simmo which is why he probably gets attacked a lot more.
115 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM
tequilamag
lol again you’ve misunderstood me. I said Ba should’ve been dropped last season when we were playing 433 and he was very unhappy and he was shockingly out of form. He should’ve been dropped instead of changing the whole system and formation to make him happy. This season he has been playing very well but at a cost of playing 442. He is the main reason why we are playing this formation instead of 433. Our whole team and tactics revolve around him now. It’s benefiting him amazingly but it’s costing us points and games.
Can’t you just understand me for once and stop miscomprehending me?? It’s getting tedious.
116 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:48 PM
Tequila….You see, I love a bit of cut and paste…
” I think all he was trying to do was say that the goal wasn’t a result of reverting back to 4-4-2, so please don’t use it as an argument to say that it was this tactical change that turned the game around”
Wasn’t referring to you, but anyone who felt that this would be a good counter argument or would dare to suggest that 4-4-2 had won us the game.
Not that I agree, but I felt this is what he had meant. I mentioned you, as you had picked up on this point, but not to say that you had used this point as your argument
117 Munster Mag // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:49 PM
Ashton, I dont think Anita is ready to run the show defensively from central midfield. The fact that he is on the weights says as much. If we play with two holding midfielders in 4-2-3-1 , i’d like to see him as one of the two holders…..
118 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:51 PM
Tsunki….Thanks, you just killed whatever self belief I still had.
Charlie….Absolutely. I know which side I’d rather attack and that isn’t meant as a a dig at Simpson, it’s just a simple issue of who will threaten more if the opposition lose the ball.
Ashton…I think most’s peoples point isn’t that 4-4-2 is the way to go, some or all of the time, but that 4-3-3 isn’t this miracle formation some claim it to be. There will be situations for both. Where is their an argument in that?
119 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:52 PM
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
There* not their. *hangs head in shame*
120 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:52 PM
Ashton, that it was not what you were arguing before the Everton game, we went head to head for a couple of hours before that game. Your entire argument that day was that Pardew was scared to drop BA which was why we were persisting with 442 . You wanted BA dropped and us to play 433. I can go back to those posts and repost a few if you like
121 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:58 PM
Ashton
Youve discredited your arguement massivly by suggesting the reason we have had a poor start to the season is down to ba bieng selfish.
Theres no reason to play 442 just to suit ba he showed sunday he can play centrally on his own, and we should he play left wing when he scoring for fun to suit cisse who couldnt hit a barn door atm?
Also do you not think are poor form and not experimenting more with tactics has not been down to the fact we have had krul simpson coloccini taylor x2 tiote and cabaye missing for most the start of the season? Much more likely than it all bieng ba’s fault
Oh and why is 443 the only tactic we can play? We shuffle formation constantly through the game and its possibly the mist boring topic of debate going now
122 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:58 PM
tequilamag
I don’t care what kind of formation you favor. The fact is we are playing very poorly with 442 and it’s not working out for us. Unlike the 433 which is the best formation for the group and the quality of players we have. Our main players such as Cabaye and Ben Arfa play a lot better in 433. Jonas is far more effective in the middle than out wide. Anita can benefit tremendously with that formation as it would allow him to finely play in his favorite position for us. Even Cisse will gain his form back in that formation as we saw last night he had many chances in the first half yesterday in the 433 but as soon as we changed to 442 he struggled to even touch the ball.
I’m a fan of this club and I can see these things and I have every right to indicate the faults of Pardew and his way of playing.
123 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 4:59 PM
74Ashton // Sep 17, 2012 at 3:24 PM
tequilamag
I don’t like Pardew’s decision and reasoning to play 442. It’s not working and the only reason he is sticking with it is because he doesn’t want to make Ba feel sad about himself by playing on the left. He wants it(442) to work out so bad but it isn’t and instead of realizing that fact and changing the formation he is sticking to his guns in that regard and it’s costing us.
124 Ginger // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:02 PM
Carryingcoals
Shit forgot about Jonas!
I’d have him in there over Bigirimana, I still think that formation could work as Perch to be honest has looked more reliable then Tiote in CDM. It could also mean that Cabaye could link up passes to Ferguson who could then knock it into the box for Ba.
125 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:03 PM
The previous post was made By Ashton on the afternoon before the Everton game, one of many on a similar vein that day.
If you just had the sense to admit that you can just be feasibly be wrong occasionally instead of being so wrapped up in your own genius you may just get a bit more respect.
126 Ginger // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:03 PM
Or to Ben-Arfa who could do his magic.
127 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:05 PM
tequilamag
I said Ba should be dropped if he doesn’t want to play in 433. He has been brilliant this season but our team has been struggling because of that. If he is happy playing in 433 then he should play but if he doesn’t want to play than whats the point? You can’t force him can you.
128 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:06 PM
Tads – BooYahh! AAaand the quarterback is toast!
129 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:08 PM
Carrying
Just read your match report good read as always!
Ibiza
Look at the trouble your causing this is what happens when you jump down to mingle with us common folk!
130 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:09 PM
Munster Mag
Totally agree. He should play with Tiote and Cabaye in a 3 men midfield and be allowed to play in his favorite position. But it hasn’t happened this season.
131 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:10 PM
Tsunki
Yippe kiay mother fcuker!
132 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:11 PM
Ahton, thats a new one on me, the team have been struggling because Ba has been brilliant this season.
Truly mind boggling reasoning there.
133 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:13 PM
tads….Me? What did little old me do? What could little old me do? Oh well, can someone help me back up, my old bones ache.
134 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM
tequilamag123
At no point in that post did I say that Ba should be dropped.
135 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:15 PM
Actually, don’t worry. Off out for some bingo. Have a good one lads and lasses (if we haven’t driven you all away).
Bye x
136 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:17 PM
Ibiza
They have bingo in ibiza? I thought it was just the STD lottery?
137 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM
tads…Underground Bingo of course. Keep it hush hush will ya.
138 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:20 PM
tequilamag
Our team is shaped around Ba. He is our vocal point and the whole team is set up in order to make him score the goals. It’s working for him but not for our team and club. To me the teams performance is a lot more important than an individual player’s. And I would happily sacrifice the brilliance of an individual for the good of my team.
Is this so hard for you to comprehend?
139 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:21 PM
Ashton
Instead of bullying people in an attempt to prove how superior your knowledge is how about you engage people in coherent debate instead of this “I don’t agree with you therefore you know nothing about football” mentality.
And yes, I do expect Premier League players to be able to play different strains of the same position as Cabaye has proved. He has played deep lying playmaker and box to box so why is it unfair to expect the same.
4-3-3 was the reason we were overrun in the first half against Everton as their left side destroyed us while we had no cover from midfield, which we did have in the second half when we played with a flat midfield 4.
Instead of highlighting 4-3-3s shortfalls I will point to games where 4-4-2 served us magnificently, ie Man U at home last year, Chelsea away last season, Stoke away, Liverpool at home as well as others. Once more I am not attempting to prove I know more than you, just balancing the argument to show that you’re not the only one who has a clue.
140 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:26 PM
Ashton // Sep 17, 2012 at 7:23 PM
ROSHAN MAGPIE
He is like Ba’s brother or something of course he is gonna be buttstrated that he is dropped. This is for the good of the team and a move most of the fans have been asking for.
Ashton this is one of your posts after the team against Everton was announced. Are you really trying to pretend you didn`t want Ba dropped for that game
141 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:27 PM
Ashton
Once again my post @121 you seem to blindly overlook the fact half our squad has been injured for a large part of the season
Also how is anita supposed to play in a 3 man midfield of cabs n tiote when we’ve only cabs and tiote on the pitch together twice this season?
142 nufcursed // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:28 PM
review of yesterday’s game:
positives:
sammyobi: vey skilful, huge potential, great game
ferguson: should be 1st choice LB, superb crosses
santon: one of the most attacking full-backs in the world (imagine santon RB and fergie LB+drop jonas!!)
negatives:
tiote: anyone else thinks that he’s having serious concentration problems?
anita: didn’t notice he was playing until he was substituted
cisse: really lacks confidence
jonas: i do not rate jonas at all compared to our fringe players, he should be sold, no end product
care to discuss?
143 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:29 PM
Tequila
Despite this overwhelming evidence of him contradicting himself he will come out with the same rubbish where “we all know nothing about football”
He’s like a slightly more articulate Kets.
144 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:29 PM
If you notice the tv pundits, ex-players who disagree on many points bout the same game, there are three points to the triangle, everything is not so clear cut. Ashton doesn’t see or rather refuses to entertain that there may be a further dimension than his own intransigent argument, which is a shame because he puts interesting points forward to discuss. Even though they are wrong of course ha ha only kidding.
145 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:31 PM
Quasi.modo
Cabaye is half the player he is when played in a deep role. He is ordinary and struggles there where as when he is playing further up the field he is amazing and one of the best in the league.
Just the fact that you can’t see this proves my opinion about your footballing knowledge.
Also I see the Everton game being thrown around again. There left side destroyed us because Perch is not a good fullback and Marv had a shocker! It had nothing to do with the formation. In the second half Anita switched to Rb which helped nullify that side. Again nothing to do with the formation. And our midfield didn’t tight up because they scored three perfectly good goals in that half.
146 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:33 PM
Quasi, I hope your taking notes. You may just learn something.
147 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:35 PM
Ashton
Will you refrain from the insults, it doesn’t affect me whatsoever and just makes you come across as pig headed and rude.
The second half helped nullify their threat as a result of Anita going to RB and having a covering midfielder. It was a formation change that helped us in the second half, not simply poor defensive play by Marv.
Cabaye may not play at his full potential when he is deeper but it is a role he can play. Anita not only was poor in a more advanced role, he was non-existent, this is not my poor footballing knowledge, I think I am one of many who hope that Anita has more strings to his bow than simply being tidy while playing deep.
148 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:36 PM
Tequila
Notepad out and I am waiting for the next Ashton instalment of how stupid I am.
149 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:37 PM
Tsunki
Spot on as proved by his plowing on not taking anything on board!!
150 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:37 PM
tequilamag
I’ve already told you why I wanted Ba to be dropped @127 and the reasoning as to why.
151 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:39 PM
Ashton that at post 134 you said that you never suggested dropping BA.
Please make your mind up.
152 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:43 PM
Quasi
Whoa whoa whoa hang on!
Anita? Rb? Played well? In a different position to his defined position? Dont be stupid!
Oh and technically anita is a lb by trade ashton the main reason we bought him was for his versatility
Stop using the line “you obviously know nothing about football” as these are opinions not facts just because there your opinions doesnt make them wrong or right if they did you’d be earning as a manager not argueing on a blog like!
153 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM
Ashton – the Cabaye argument is a case in point.You say basically that Cabaye is much more effective when played in his preferred AM free role high across the middle I assume you mean, whereas Quasi points out quite rightly that (due mostly to team shortfalls in midfield and the need to cover a shaky patched up central defence) Cabaye may seem less effective but is actually adaptable to doing a covering job when necessary and actually does that job very well.
You both ave a different perspective of hat makes him an effective player, neither necessarily wrong, yet you, Ashton, cannot see that point. Intransigent.
154 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:45 PM
Tads
It’s just a tidal wave of rudeness and contradictions. Doesn’t make for healthy debate does it? I think I am going to politely pull out of this discussion before I get dragged into a slanging match because it isn’t what I want.
We’re better than this people!
155 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:46 PM
Quasi.modo
It was a positional change that helped nullify them and if Perch had stayed at Rb in the 442 we would’ve gotten destroyed by Pinaar and Bains. Anita reverted to Rb and that helped a lot.
The difference between Cabays performance when he is playing deeply and when he is playing in a more advanced role is as vast as a continent.
156 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:49 PM
Tsunki
You can make these points far more eloquently than I ever could
157 Jail for Ashley // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:50 PM
I watched the game on a stream last night which I thoroughly enjoyed so thanks to hotdog and Danyo for that,I hope to watch Sundays game the same way,it’s not the best way to take a game in but when needs must it’s a godsend.
158 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:51 PM
tequilamag
Your reading comprehension is appealing!. I was referring to my post that you were quoting you fool! and at no point in that post did I say “Ba should be dropped” like you were implying that I did.
Stop being an idiot.
159 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:52 PM
Ashton
I refer you to my post where I have said that I am pulling our of this particular discussion, not because of inferior football knowledge, or that I am intimidated by you, but rather because I find you to be an dislikeable person to engage with. You have insulted me on numerous occasions, as well as others, and I just think that there is absolutely no need for it.
You come across as someone who has a good grasp of English, use that to get your points across better because as soon as you revert to insults any credibility you had in an argument immediately goes out the window and you will find everyone else is not on your side, even if they agree with you.
I am not telling you how you should or should not construct your arguments, I am simply saying that as long as you insult people I will not be one of the people who will engage you.
160 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:58 PM
Ashton please enlighten me then just for clarity, did you want Ba to be dropped for the Everton game or not ?
At post 134 you seemed to be suggesting I was misrepresenting you in saying that you wanted him dropped.
161 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 5:59 PM
Jfa you can get an app on iphone called Ustream might just be my signal or something but found it streams better than the ol’ laptop
Tequila
Yeah you stop bieng so appealing!
162 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:01 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Just because he can play well as a RB doesn’t mean he should play well as an attacking midfielder. Also telling me that Anita is lb by trade is just insulting and shows what an idiot you are. Last season he played as a LB for Ajax because of all the injuries they had but he wasn’t that good and struggled a lot but as soon as he reverted back to his favorite position and once he that Ajax won fourteen games in a row and were crowned as champions.
163 Ian Toon // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:01 PM
quasi- @ 147- your certainly not stupid in fact you talk a lot of sense . However( you knew there was going to be a however) the starting midfield three duplicated roles. Anita in particular seemed unsure whether he should be playing as an attacking midfielder. He likes to receive quick balls and moved into position but Tiote and Bigi dwelt too long on occasion on the ball. The 4-3-3 just didn’t work and we noticeably looked more fluid with 4-4-2 after half time. Anita is a quality player and is extremely versatile and will prove to be a good signing. Sammy has learnt or improved his ability to shift the ball from one foot to t’other whilst dribbling in confined space winning free kicks in dangerous areas. Looks to have a good future followed by Ferguson who once he gained in confidence taking players on played well.
164 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:02 PM
Right lads in a desperate attempt to shift the focus of conversation.
What are people’s predictions for the WBA game on Sunday? Will we wrap up a good week with another win? What will the formation be? Who will get the nod over who etc etc
165 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:04 PM
Tads do you think he is flirting with me ?
166 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:04 PM
For those unable to read properly I posted this:
“We used to be able to have debates which included a bit of constructive and thoughtful criticism not this inexorable stream of drivel.”
This was meant to differentiate between the hyper-critical gobshites for whom certain players and the manager can do nothing right even if they score or we win and those who can make and argue a point – even if it is critical of performances or tactics.
I happen to agree with a lot of what Ashton says about the 4-3-3 and 4-4-2 but … sorry A the way you bang on about it can get a bit tedious. But at least you are putting forward a view on how to move forward and are prepared to argue.
The big problem for AP is this. He has two talented forwards, one of whom seems to play better in a 4-4-2 and one who seems to play better in a 4-3-3. Eve worse – one of the two is wasted in the formation they don’t thrive in and they don’t really gel in either 442 or 433. We can argue all we like but he needs to keep both guys on board and preferably scoring. This is the real dilemma we face at the present time and it is taking a lot of juggling as the other guys are being shoehorned into roles which may not entirely fit their talents… like Anita who is a deep lying playmaker.. and Fergy who is basically a winger not a wingback.
I wonder if Campbell and maybe Sammi might not be the wild cards who can play well in both. (Maybe Benny is an option in solving this problem too)
For a 4-4-2 to work really well the two guys spearheading need to develop an understanding and play off each other, or have a versatile no10 in the hole. Shearer and Sutton were great at this. The annoying thing is that RVP and Shrek seem to be playing together very well after only a few games.
No wonder B&B got fed up with your fence sitting Ibiza…
that makes you a SUB WUM to coin an acronym.
167 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:06 PM
Ashton
He played lb for his first season and a half under until de boer decided to reinvent him as a CDM
Shows me how much you know about football ya gobby spiteful little tw@
168 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:07 PM
tequilamag
I will repeat myself for the 100th time ;We should play 433 because that is the best formation for our team. Ba should play in that formation but if he doesn’t want to then what do you think should be done about that. Force him to play?
169 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:07 PM
Ian Toon
I felt before the game that having Tiote, Bigi and Anita may backfire in that sense as they are 3 players who play similar roles in the sense that they are used to playing deep but perhaps Pards is trying to instil into Anita that due to his technical ability he is capable of playing a more advanced role.
I think that had Cabaye started in Anita’s place last night we would have won that game at a canter as when the final ball was needed we never seemed to find it, if Anita can perhaps add that to his game we could have a very versatile player indeed.
Thanks for saying I’m not stupid by the way, was beginning to doubt myself.
170 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:08 PM
MFH seems a bit pointless to post such a long post for people who can`t read properly. ; )
171 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:09 PM
MFH
Sorry mate but constantly repeating “your an idiot” and “you know nothing about football” ring very similar to the usual ramblings of a certain poster on here
172 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:11 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Lol you are just making things up right now. which is quite pathetic.
read up:
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/vurnon-anita-an-ajax-fan-on-why-newcastle-should-sign-the-new-seedorf/
Here are some cliffs for you :
” Left back wasn’t familiar to him, because he mostly played as a (defensive) midfielder during his years at the academy.”
” The coach knows that I prefer to play as a defensive midfielder, circumstances mean I have to fill in at full-back, but I will always give my best”
You must feel very stupid right now
173 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:13 PM
Ashton, I am pretty sure Pards will pick the team and formation he sees fit. Can`t remember ever reading that BA would refuse to play on the left in a 433 so I don`t really see that as an issue. Having said that I don`t think it is such a great idea to play our in form striker in a wide position. Would you have any objection to Cisse playing the wide role?
174 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:13 PM
For what it’s worth, I do think that 4-3-3 is also the best formation for our team in order to get the most fluid football from the lads, but that doesn’t mean I would discount 4-4-2.
I would be in favour of 4-4-2 in tough away games, or against certain opposition. 4-3-3 with a full deck to play with can be frightening at times. 4-4-2 doesn’t seem to be firing on all cylinders due to Cisse and Ba’s inability to play together, but other than that we still retain possession quite well with it.
For the WBA I can see us using 4-4-2 but I would like a more adventurous 4-3-3 especially considering what we did to them last year at the Hawthorns with it. We haven’t got a proper attacking LW (I wouldn’t include Marv as he isn’t cutting it this season for whatever reason and Jonas is more a defensive winger) so the only way around that is to play Ba at LW, which I think Pards would be reluctant to do considering that he promised Ba a role down the middle.
So, it’s either go back on his promise and play Ba at LW in the 4-3-3 or try and make 4-4-2 work.
175 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:17 PM
Tads there you go , proof if proof was needed. The opinion of one fan in a publication . Can`t dispute that. You must really feel stupid…
176 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:18 PM
on Anita without the insults
He played as LB for a whole season and performed well if not spectacularly there.
He was then shifted to a sort of DM role but more of a ball distributing role upfield than the player cruncher who is Tiote. Sort of a creative DM, but deeper lying than Cabs which needs a more advanced position.
He is versatile and can put in a shift in a number of positions but imho would work well between Tiote and Cabaye in a mid 3
So hope this kind of pours some oil on these troubled blog waters as you all know I try to avoid slagging other bloggers with only a few noted exceptions.
177 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:19 PM
tequilamag
If Ba is happy to play in 433 then he should absolutely play. He is in a great form right now and we need him. Also why not play him out wide and sacrifice his individual performance for the good of the team? And Cisse can’t play on the left he is a finisher and that’s all he is good at and he is very good at it and he doesn’t have the discipline to track back the way Ba does.
178 Ian Toon // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:20 PM
Quasi- the installing needs to be into Tiote. He invited problems by dwelling on the ball and looking for cross field balls rather than a simple 5-10 yard ball too Anita . Pardew was gesticulating towards him in the opening half. Anita looked increasingly frustrated- I made a point of looking at his, sammy’s and Ferguson’s movement off the ball. For what it’s worth your on my reading list-LOL
I sat alongside a group of Belgians who were singing the praises of Cabaye long before he came on. I want Yohan in an attacking three with HBA and one other. Santon played much better than you would believe reading the Journal and Chronicle. As well as his runs he was always providing options for the ball. Off out.
179 Ian Toon // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:24 PM
Quasi- once posters start hurling around idiot etc you’ve won the debate/argument . Have a good evening – chat again.
180 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:25 PM
I can’t see why Ba can’t function in an inside left position in a front 3 tbh either Ashton. He can certainly bang them in from there.
181 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:25 PM
Ashton
Jol bought him through to the senior team where he played lb until jol left the club, thats his first role in senior football that’s his trade regardless if he wanted a new role or not fact is he is a more experienced fullback than he is a CDM only played there for just under a season until he owns that role its nit his trade hes a utility player basically
182 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:26 PM
Hey Idiots!
MFH….Can you stop bringing up BandB, you know how emotional it makes me. I have been trying to move on and would appreciate your help with the matter. Good job on the Sub WUM though, I shall wear the title with pride
183 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:27 PM
So even though our best strikers goals completely dried up when he played out left you would still move him there. Ba and Cisse are so similar it`s almost like they are the same player. Both are are finishers . Ba probably offers a bit more playing deeper than Cisse but really neither of them are much use out wide.
I am sure 433 can work but I think Ba is wasted out wide. There could be an argument for rotating the two in a 433.
There could also be an argument for playing them both in a 442. Cisse will eventually start hitting the form he did last season.
Really the point I am making is the person best placed to make those calls is Pardew. Like I said before all systems have strengths and weaknesses. Slavishly sticking to one only narrows your options.
184 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:28 PM
Why do ba and cisse have to play at the same time? Why if we have 433 does ba have to play wide ba is one of the most inform strikers in the league theres nosense putting him wide
185 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:33 PM
tequilamag
“he mostly played as a defensive midfielder during his years at the academy” doesn’t seem like an opinion to me it seems like he is objectively projecting a factual observation to me. You wouldn’t know that though
186 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM
All been a bit turgid. I can see tads and ashton banging away on this fb/dm is he/isnt he pointlessness until the moon cracks or tads shakes him off ha ha.
tads – I had a similar episode the other day there is no winning mate let go of the rope and let it down.
187 Ian Toon // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:38 PM
Ibiza- can’t leave without saying hiya. From yesterday. Tickets were a £ 5 for kids and seniors and no admittance on season tickets. I paid £ 15. The club have got it spot on because there were so many kids from local schools and dads with youngsters good way to introduce at low cost to the pocket. The Belgians were good value off the field on the quayside.
188 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:39 PM
MFH
Theres no doubt ba can play left no ones is questioning that, but, why should ba play left? Ppl bang on about him costing the team in terms of performances and points, whos to say if we switch to 433 cisse is immidiatly going to start scoring? How many games do you wait? How many points will it cost us “to suit cisse”? How long before ppl start shouting why are we playing 433 just to make cisse happy? Why cant we rotate the pair of them?
There are far more points to this debate than ashton would concede and we’d be having a much better debate if he could atleast entertain others views
189 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:40 PM
Ashton, I tried to play nice with you.
Just what happened in your sad life to make you such an opinionated objectionable little man.
Why does everything have to so black and white?
Do you really think everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot or incapable of understanding your massive intellect.
Your missing out on so much in life if you can`t see that by considering something from another persons point of view you might just learn something.
You know the beautiful thing about learning is nobody can take it away from you.
190 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:40 PM
man oh man its funny to read I am visualising a lone fighter in the jet li or statham mould surrounded by idiot thugs – he is taking on all-comers in turn, him against the crowd. Ashton is that man.
191 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:41 PM
MagpiesFlyHigh
He wants to score the goals and be our main player. This means better offers in Jan also he seem like a total attentiowhore kind of person. He would get physically upset whenever Cisse scored last season. It was quite funny in a sick dark way.
192 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:43 PM
Ian Toon
I would agree with your thoughts about Tiote, if there was one thing that I would want him to improve upon other than his insatiable need to destroy a player every time the ball pops up it would be getting the ball off quicker. Some of his cross field balls were excellent though.
I think more needs to be instilled into Anita though, he needs to get more physical, he needs to try and make himself more available, I find that he shies away too much and that he needs to try and impose himself, whether he is playing CDM or more advanced.
Can we all drop this petty squabbling now because it really is beneath us, we all want what’s best for the club and simply disagree on the best way of getting that, no more no less.
193 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:44 PM
Quasi
Spot on there shouldnt be one set formation/squad for all 38 league matched every team has different strengths and weaknesses and the team shoukd be set up to exploit them.
Im also not against 433 or 442 and think we would be playing more 443 if we’d had a full squad to select from, a point that he has continuously glossed over
Tsunki
I know what you mean put him in a room with mirror and he’d start an arguement
194 89Norcal // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:45 PM
@Ashton, I sort of noticed that as well. Initially Ba was ecstatic when Cisse scored, but as he went into a drought their camaraderie seemed to disappear.
This is why I’m not too bothered if Ba ends up leaving in Jan. He’s been a huge factor in our success, but those two seem to operate best alone or with someone who is dedicated to helping them (Shola).
195 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:45 PM
Tsunki, great imagery
196 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:47 PM
You are doing the right thing in placating him. I think that Ketsbaia9 is the Dr Bruce Banner and Ashton is his Hulk. You wouldn’t like him when he’s angry.
197 FatmanJoe // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:47 PM
Hey peeps. Can’t be arsed to go thru the thread. What’s the topic of the day? Bet it’s not related in any way to the topic ed has posted.
Whatever it is, Ashton is on. That means someone has been called an idiot, knows nothing about football and he’s told someone how foolish they are.
The beauty of debate.
198 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:47 PM
Ashton
So ba is only scoring goals so he can get a move in january? Jeez your calling us the idiots never once did he get angry when cisse scored infact he was usually the first one over to celebrate with him
199 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:50 PM
FMJ (laughing while crying) please just….dont.
200 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:51 PM
toonarmydownsouth
You said Anita is a lb by trade. Do you even understand what that means? If he is a LB by trade why doesn’t he prefer to play there and how come he was being developed and played mostly as a midfielder in the academy?
To me these little things suggest that he Isn’t yes yes Isn’t a LB by trade.
201 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:52 PM
Only are fans can want a prolific goalscorer sold because he wants to score goals!
Of course he gets fcuked off when he’s not scoring he’s a striker ffs the most ego driven position in football christ even sunday keague strikers get angry when there not scoring!
As for bieng an attention seeker based on what? Keeps very quiet only does interviews talking about his beliefs and how much he loves the club
202 FatmanJoe // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:53 PM
Ok I’ve had a sneaky peek. Sorry for butting in on this wonderful discussion but I would argue ba’s reaction to cisse scoring (coz sometimes it was half hearted, yes) was more to do with the position he was being played in rather than being because cisse grabbed one. I don’t think it was malicious but he wasn’t happy at times last season.
Tsunki. Sorry. Did I do bad?
203 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:54 PM
toonarmydownsouth
89Norcal seems to agree with me so it’s not that outlandish of me thinking that way. And I’m almost certain that Ba is leaving in Jan
204 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:55 PM
Anyway, at the risk of being found out as a footballing grade a cretin, for what it is worth, I think it has been painfully obvious that while they are not entirely identical in style, they are essentially players who operate in the exact same areas of the pitch and one cancels the other out. It was actually my deep down fear when we signed Cisse, I thought it must be because Ba was leaving but it seems that accommodating both on the pitch has the same result as the infamous Lampwick/Steeeeevie pairing for Eng-er-land. I think some kind of rotation may be the only answer but…..how?
205 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:56 PM
Ashton
I played CB at every team i played in until i hit 17, my coach then moved me to CAM players are moved and redeveloped throughout there career he was moved to lb when he hit senior level therefore his trade at senior level has been at lb for the majority of his senior career
206 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:58 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Where did I say or even suggest that he should be sold? Just stop investing things to prove a point it’s sad. He has a 7 m buy out clause we can do nothing about him leaving. Maybe he will finally join “OMG i luv san antonio SPURS!!XDxxxx”
207 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM
Ashton
Sorry didnt relise 89norcal (soz 89) agreed i stand corrected
However i disagree and think ba is a fantastic servant to the club and his contributions seem to be constantly overlooked
208 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM
And finally – Ashton, if you showed just a glimmer of deference and/or humour, you would come across as reasonable, a desirable trait in a blogger who wishes to garner some respect from his peers. of course if that’s not what you want…….
209 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:00 PM
Hello, brethren.
What has every got a bee in their bonnet about today? Is Obertan the Second Coming now then, after 45 minutes of giving 100%?
210 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:03 PM
Ashton
When did i say you said ba should be sold? I said some posters didnt say you at all
And what am i investing in by the way?
211 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:04 PM
Ooooh no. (palm slaps face) And I thought it couldnt get worse. Fake Ruddy. Adding a mackem troll to this is like chucking petrol on a fire. Let the games begin.
212 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:04 PM
toonarmydownsouth
It didn’t work out for you did it? Because you are a sh)t footballer so you don’t count. Also Anita doesn’t like playing as a fullback and will only do it for the good of the team. If it’s his decision he is playing in the middle every game.
213 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:05 PM
TADS
Agreed. AP has to experiment like it or not.
As I said APs dilemma is what to do with Ba and Cisse and there is NO RIGHT ANSWER.
We just want the best from both of them.
214 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:06 PM
Ashton
Sorry mate didnt relise you had prem experience!!
What a tool!
215 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:07 PM
MFH
True enough mate who’d be a manager like!
216 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:07 PM
Ashton]]
Don’t weaken your case by slagging off the other guys. You have no idea how good any of us is/was at football cos most of us eve got our names on our shirts !! SO ease up a wee bit
217 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:07 PM
for post 212 see post 208.
218 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:09 PM
OK Ashton is a full-on WUM. I’m out, no discussion here folks. Bye.
219 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:09 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Some posters? like who? I don’t see anyone in this thread saying Ba should be sold.
220 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:09 PM
Tsunki will be my next victim.
221 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:10 PM
SELL BA!
222 89Norcal // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:10 PM
@toonarmydownsouth, Ashton and I aren’t necessarily saying Ba should leave, but him and Cisse are obviously CF’s that function best alone, which is odd because they aren’t you’re typical lightning fast, out-&-out strikers. Ba’s issues arise from Pardew’s system. If a player does not think a system suits him, and is in fact holding him down, of course he’ll consider leaving.
But since Cisse is our new 9m man, and ba can go for 7m, I just stated I wouldn’t mind it much.
I’d prefer Pardew got those 2 sorted out to work together.
223 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:10 PM
Tsunki
Lol dont worry im sure my pride will recover, bieng called a shit footballer from someone who thinks are top striker is leaving because he supports san antonio spurs oh the shame!!
Just hope i dont get dropped if my manager reads this!
224 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:11 PM
Sell Ashton
225 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:12 PM
Yeah Ruddy go on hijack my login name and pass yourself off as me. Hilarious.
226 MagpiesFlyHigh // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:12 PM
Ibiza
SUB WUM is not sub WUM … the SUB is splinters up bum
227 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:13 PM
89
Fair point but just because you have two top players doesnt mean that they have to play every game toghether theres rotation etc.
Plus dont think price should come into management if ba is in form wheres the point in reshaping the team for cisse
228 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:14 PM
Ashton
They will twist your words, construe plain points to dogmatically reinforce their own views, then as a pack they’ll deride you and make it sound as if you’re the one wearing the blinkers.
Stay strong.
229 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:15 PM
Ruddy
Victim? Something tells me in the real world your actually in prison….
230 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:16 PM
toonarmydownsouth
By manager you mean your boss at mcdonalds right?
231 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:18 PM
Fruddy – at least you have a shred of humour. Get allied to this character at your peril, he’ll vacuum the one remaining decent trait right out through your eye sockets.
Oh here’s a smiley
almost forgot.
232 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:19 PM
Ashton
Thats the one fella if you get bored of claiming benefits and watching jeremy kyle give us shout i’ll hook ya up cleaning the bogs you should feel at home there with all the shite you spout
233 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:19 PM
toonarmydownsouth
I am, this is my one hour per day I’m released from solitary confinement, my straight jacket and allowed access to a computer. Come and visit me at Broadmoor?
234 89Norcal // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:20 PM
@toonarmydownsouth, Yes I see no need to reshape the team. I know rotation works (better than having both Dembas on actually) but Ba obviously hates the bench and Cisse, while he seems content enough, could find himself hating it too. I’m sure he wants to rip up the EPL again, not just Europa League.
I’m just putting it out there that IF we lose Ba, it won’t be a massive loss because then Cisse can thrive.
235 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:21 PM
Ruddy
Cool! I’ll be wearing a red carnation!!
U watch the game? What you think of sammy
236 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:23 PM
89
As MFH said its pards problem!
Hooefully we can find a way to keep the double dembas happy
237 Tsunki // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:23 PM
I said I was going but this is riveting stuff, can’t put it down. There’s even a calm discussion going on in the middle of the mayhem, like someone hanging out the washing in a hurricane.
238 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:24 PM
Tsunki
That tornado stole my football kit my macdonalds shift manager will be furious!
239 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:25 PM
toonarmydownsouth
You are so boring and humorless. I’m still waiting for the names of the posters who said Ba should be sold above post 219.
240 Jail for Ashley // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:28 PM
As I’ve said before I’m not really an expert on tactics,but although people are condeming the three man midfield of Bigi,Tiote and Anita didn’t it show that although we didn’t create much we pretty much had all of the possession,wouldn’t that be the perfect formation to take into an away leg that you were 2-0 up in from the home tie.
241 Ian Toon // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:31 PM
Tsunki
Your a quality poster how come your not in the lifeboat as well !,,
242 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:31 PM
Ashton
Its a common comment on here during matches
As for boring and humourless you must of been reading back over posts when you came up with that gem
Quasi has summed you up best today sleep tight keyboard warrior you have a long day playing football manager with ketsy tommorow
243 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:34 PM
JFA
Would be a cracking formation for a midweek away tie just think some were frustrated as we prob could of gone with a more attacking mid in a home tie would of liked to see amalfitano get a run out
244 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:35 PM
toonarmydownsouth
At least I don’t claim to be a footballer to have some leverage in a debate I’m losing
245 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:38 PM
Also “Its a common comment on here during matches” is so absurd and untrue it made me laugh a lot, cheers for that.
246 archaeomag // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:39 PM
OMG is there trolls under the bridge or what?
I think the players should take their lead
from Colo and wear wigs, and assorted hair accessories.
After I suggested Gabbi would be good with a pair of antennae – he scored . .
247 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:39 PM
Ashton
No you resort to insulting people, as for claiming im a footballer i do play i imagine most people on here do or have done you dont need a contract to be one “but that shows me how much you know about football idiot”
Have played for my local team for years still do and will do til i cant play anymore, you do relise that you get managers outside of profesional football right?? Guess your not a big fan of grass roots eh?!
248 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:43 PM
Archeo
If only he’d of put a set on after scoring!!
Ashton
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz if that made you laugh you should probably get out more
249 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:45 PM
C’mon lads this is a forum to talk all things NUFC and friendly banter besides, no need for insults.
Right can we get back to the football debate. Will Cisse get the shout to play this weekend against WBA? I see that the bookies have Cisse as a cert to score this weekend, but I don’t even see it as a cert that he’ll be starting this weekend. What do you fine fellers think?
250 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:46 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Wow you play for your local club how intriguing! Also I told you that after you claimed that Anita is a LB by trade which is ridiculous and shows that you don’t know about football. That doesn’t mean you don’t know how to PLAY football it means you don’t know what you are talking about which is football. There is a big difference.
251 Ketsbaia9 // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:47 PM
Sell Tiote, Williamson and Simpson in January for a total of £28.5m
Sign Debuchy (£6m), M’Villa (£15m), Alderewerield (£6m), Boudebouz (£5m) and Loic Remy (£10m)
Net spend = £13.5m
Job done. Sign another centre back, left-back, attacking midfielder and striker in the summer. All the french speaking players will settle in straight away. I think this would be great business and we should be able to attract every single player.
252 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:47 PM
Quasi
Cisse should start unless pards wasnt happy with his performance thursday i cant see why he wouldnt
253 archaeomag // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:47 PM
I think a nice pair of black & white striped antennae would look good, and mesmerise the opposition
Ben Arfa would look nice if he played with a small discrete crown – nothing too fancy.
254 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:48 PM
@ Quasi
I think Cisse starting is a given IMO. Shola started last weekend because of his record against 5under1and alone. There is no way Pardew would spend the best part of ten million quid on a player to leave him on the bench unless he was bedding the player in like Anita.
255 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:51 PM
Ashton
It also means you dont know how to read, as u said the position ppl play in the development squad often changes by the time they play in the senior squad
256 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:52 PM
@ Ketsbia
There is no way we will get anywhere nera that amount of money for those players. Tiote is worth 12 at the most, Simpson is in the final year of his contract so won’t sell for much and Williamson is probably worth 3 million. so that 28.5 million is probably closer to 15
257 Big Pappa Cissé // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:55 PM
near rather
258 Jail for Ashley // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:55 PM
Kets,
I’m assuming you’re hoping to get 20M for Tiote in that plan of yours,I don’t think thats going to happen,although I’ve been one of the most ardent on here for keeping him at any price i think I would take anyones hand off (if I were Mashley) if they offered that kind of dough.
259 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:57 PM
He was developed as a midfielder when he was in the academy and now he plays as a midfielder professionally. He prefers to play as a midfielder and it’s his best position.
Yet you are telling me he is a LB by trade. Do you even realize how stupid and incoherent you seem right now?
260 archaeomag // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:58 PM
@Anita
I think of Anita as midfielder, the word from the Dutch was he was more cultured than Tiote with a good range of passes.
Versatility is a blessing to the club, but can be a curse for the player.
Yesterday, he was taking up central positions in space – while the ball inevitably went wide.
261 archaeomag // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:58 PM
But I’m not taking sides . . .
262 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 7:59 PM
BPC/tads
Perhaps, and I would think that it’d only dent his confidence even further if he was dropped. I certainly hope to see him get on the scoresheet on Sunday but if he is to start I hope it isn’t in a 4-4-2 with Ba because they don’t seem capable of playing together (a theme I think we all share)
Preferably I would like to see Ba on LW with Cisse up top if they were to play together. I’d have no problem with 4-4-2 if Ba and Cisse were able to fulfil their maximum potential but at the minute it’s not happening.
263 Jail for Ashley // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:04 PM
How ironic that they can’t play together yet on Cisse’s debut against Villa thet both got on the score sheet and we thought we were on for the best partnership since Cannon and Ball.
264 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:05 PM
Ashton
Probably about the same as you as this is an arguement steming from you bieng so unbelievably arrogant towards quasi claiming that you couldnt expect anita to play well in more than one position i was merely pointing out he started his profesional career at lb but you bieng the stubbornly ignorant idiot that you so often accuse others of bieng have managed to warp and snowball it into such a non arguement its untrue
We all know that anita was signed to be a CM here but your arrogance tiwards another poster has taken you so far off track you havent relised your not even arguing the original point anymore!
265 Jail for Ashley // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:08 PM
Kets,
How come you make a quite outlandish but football related statement and then when somebody has the manners to reply you seem to disappear until your next equally outrageous claim or idea that has nothing to do with your first one.
266 Ketsbaia9 // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:09 PM
£25m for Tiote
£1.5m for Williamson
£2m for Simpson
He’s probably worth £12m, but we should be looking at getting £25m for him. He was linked with Man Utd last year for £30m. Chelsea were linked with a £25m bid.
267 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:09 PM
toonarmydownsouth
You said Anita is a LB by trade. Just stop embarrassing yourself and admit you are an idiot and that you were wrong.
268 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:13 PM
Ashton
Ffs you muppet his first profesional position and where he has played most his senior career is lb
Really so bored of you lad your like that dave channel you just repeat the same old shit move on
269 Krul to be Kind // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:16 PM
jfa 265
the perfect synopsis for kets! lol
270 Ketsbaia9 // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:17 PM
Anita started out as a left-back but moved into a defensive midfield role where he excelled in his last two seasons at Ajax.
271 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:17 PM
Tiote hasn’t had the settled run of Premiership games he needs to find his form and rhythm, that’s the most likely reason for his erratic performances, it seems to me. Outside bet, he’s unhappy because Ashley priced him out of a move to Man U and part of him now wants away
272 Blaydon-Toon // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:18 PM
Wow love a juicy debate and throw Kets wisdom into the mix beats work !
273 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:19 PM
toonarmydownsouth
He was played there because of injuries to the first team players. That doesn’t make him a LB by trade. Stop being so thick.
274 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:21 PM
Ashton
Injuries for two seasons? Dont be soft in the head
275 Krul to be Kind // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:22 PM
jaw
you could be on to something there… he just doesnt seem right this season, don’t get me wrong i love him as a footballer but he has made me cringe a few times this season. he always takes time to get the groove back then he is starting to look the business again he gets suspended/injured
276 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:22 PM
Ashton
Are you Kets? Not trying to be insulting but seriously, are you?
277 Blaydon-Toon // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:22 PM
Really Ashton u need to get out more listen to what people are telling you … Anita STARTED off as a left back then PROGRESSED to a HCM get over it !
278 jawballsaswallwell // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:25 PM
Anita looks like a lost little boy out there when playing in midfield. His form is actually getting worse. When he arrived I was full of expectation, now it’s just a case of wait and see.
279 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:26 PM
Blaydon
For your own sanity dont just dont thats how i got dragged in’
280 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:28 PM
I’ve no doubt that Anita will come good, it’s just that in the role that he plays he needs a certain aspect of physicality and at the moment he doesn’t have it, but when he does bulk up then we will see more confidence and better performances, whether that’s at LB, RB, DM or even AM.
He’s a jack of all trades, let’s hope he can master a few.
281 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:29 PM
toonarmydownsouth
It wasn’t two seasons stop inventing things. He was used as Lb because of injuries and played well so Jol kept him there a while then he started playing in his position by trade which is a DM. Also Jol only managed Ajax for one season.
282 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:31 PM
Ashton
Im inventing now? Better than earlier when i was investing
283 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:32 PM
Quasi
Pls dont bring up the original point again please im begging cant wade through all the shite again
284 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:34 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Trying to change the subject lol what an idiot
285 Krul to be Kind // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:34 PM
ashton
he was put in dcm after a poor ajax spell from lb, then they went on a great unbeaten run bringing his game to the attention of big clubs as a dcm, he progressed through the ranks as a fullback either side
286 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:36 PM
Tads
I’m sorry, it was me who started this whole sorry affair in the first place. I seriously regret it. I was only commenting on how disappointed I was in Anita’s performance as an attacking mid, and considering how versatile he is he should be able to meet that standard.
287 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:38 PM
Ashton
Just read the posts around you and if you want to be picky jol was there for a season and a half the whole time anita was starting lb
The season before he only made 16 appearences in several positions
288 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:38 PM
Ashton
Not saying this is my point of view, but others would argue that anyone that uses “lol” in what they claim as a serious discussion, could be accused of being an “idiot” themselves.
They would say it would be a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Not me though, I think you’re smashing.
289 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:39 PM
Krul to be Kind
No he wasn’t. He was developed as DM in the academy and only got his break in the first team as a LB due to injuries they had in that position.
290 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:40 PM
Quasi
Dont be sorry to most posters it was a good point and should of led to a good discussion instead you were called an idiot and told you know nothing about football
291 Krul to be Kind // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:40 PM
ooopsies… i might have waded into something with previous, sorry lads resume the debate!
292 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:41 PM
Krul
Careful you’ll be called an idiot any second
293 Krul to be Kind // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:41 PM
ashton
Make like Michael Jackson… and Beat It!
294 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:42 PM
In the 2009-10 season Anita became a first team regular under new head coach Martin Jol. Because of a suspension of Urby Emanuelson and a long-time injury of Thimothée Atouba, Anita was posted as a left back. Jol was satisfied with his performance and continued to let him play as a left back for most of the season. He also played in the KNVB Cup final against Feyenoord and won his second KNVB Cup. His good performances also led to his debut at the Dutch national team
The 2010-11 season started as the previous season ended with Anita playing most matches as a left back. Ajax managed to qualify for the Group stage of the UEFA Champions League for the first time since 2005-06. Because of the poor team performances during the first half of the season, Martin Jol left Ajax in December 2010 and was replaced by Frank de Boer. He believed Anita should play as a defensive midfielder rather than left back. As a consequence, Anita had to compete with other midfielders for his place in the starting line-up. He successfully did so and managed to play most matches
That is a season and a half at LB and half a season as CM
295 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:42 PM
toonarmydownsouth
So he isn’t a LB by trade?
296 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:42 PM
Tads
In hindsight, I do regret bringing it up considering the standard of debate that followed. It could have been a good discussion but, I’ll know for again, that whenever Ashton is about there’s no point bringing anything up as we don’t have a clue.
297 Krul to be Kind // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:43 PM
TDS
ive never had a blog row before, a virgin if you will, feeling slightly vulnerable now he is fingering me out
298 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:45 PM
But as far as I am concerned, he is a player and will have to play where Pardew wants him. AS long as he is playing well I don`t really care.
299 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:46 PM
KTBK not a pretty picture
300 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:48 PM
Ashton
Read tequillas post then please stop bleating on about it!
Krul
Your right to feel vulnerable very vulnerable!
Quasi
Its prob best radio silence from now on!!
301 Blaydon-Toon // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:51 PM
Tequila totally agree … Regardless of his original starting position we have a very useful versatile played who needs little more time to settle in from what I have seen I think he will become a top player for us. Lets not forget he has a new borne baby new country to adapt too ! People on here to quick to slag players off … Look at Collo and Enrique when they first came in to the side some players need more time to settle – my longest post ever FACT
302 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:53 PM
Quasi.modo
Aren’t you the guy who is oblivious to the idea and the fact that there are many different positions and roles within the midfield? I can’t take you seriously.
303 Krul to be Kind // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:54 PM
just to put it out there lads but do you not think we are playing 442 because the players feel more comfortable with it, last night we had great ball retention playing 4231 but looked pretty toothless, then when we went 442 we were effective if anything, i do want to see a 433 variation of some sort but do really think the squad is ready for it yet?
304 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:55 PM
Very true Blaydon, Santon needed half a season to adjust to PL before Pardew had confidence in him as well. Am sure he will come good.
305 Quasi.modo // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:55 PM
Ashton
I am going to talk about you, but not to you. You can call that rude, but then I’d just call you a hypocrite. Please don’t talk to me until you can learn some manners.
306 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:56 PM
Ashton, You must be thinking of somebody else. Quasi knows his stuff.
307 Krul to be Kind // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:57 PM
quasi 305
thats a cyber bitch slap if ever i’ve seen one
308 BoomBoom // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:57 PM
Ashton
Just reading your posts, but I’m guessing you don’t have many friends?? You need to chill out and stop worrying.
Anita’s shit anyway!!
309 BoomBoom // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:58 PM
Ashton
Just reading your posts, but I’m guessing you don’t have many friends?? You need to chill out and stop worrying.
Anita’s sh!t anyway!!
310 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:58 PM
toonarmydownsouth
He didn’t post the whole article because he was trying to prove me wrong. Here it is:
Martin Jol left in December 2010 and Frank de Boer joined Holland’s biggest club. Frank de Boer saw him as a defensive midfielder but due to injuries at the left and right back positions, he wasn’t really able to show how good he is at that spot. “The coach knows that I prefer to play as a defensive midfielder, circumstances mean I have to fill in at full-back, but I will always give my best”, Anita said.
As a full back he was never able to show what he’s fully capable of. Great games were followed by weak ones and people questioned if he was good enough. His answer came after last season’s winter break. Frank de Boer started the season with Theo Janssen as a defensive midfielder but found out this wasn’t the thing. Jan Vertonghen couldn’t make his regular runs from deep because Janssen is not the one to take over his position at CB which Anita does. There were misunderstanding between midfielders and forwards. Due to injured strikers, De Boer decided to play Siem de Jong as a striker, Christian Eriksen as right midfielder and Janssen on the left. The spot left was for Vurnon Anita to take and he showed he is the perfect man to be a defensive midfielder in this Ajax system.
once in possession his passing coupled with great football intelligence makes him perfect for the ‘number six’ role, or controlling playmaker
Once he played at his favourite position, Ajax won fourteen games in a row and were crowned as champions of Holland for the second year in a row. You can say the keystone was Anita. “Nice statistics,” he said, grinning after being told Ajax have never dropped any points whenever he’s played in midfield. “But we do it together, the team is now more balanced, we still miss some players but their replacements have done a good job.”
Key words for you” his Favorite position”
311 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:58 PM
@302
And that is why your an idiot
312 BoomBoom // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:58 PM
Ashton
Just reading your posts, but I’m guessing you don’t have many friends?? You need to chill out.
Anita’s turd anyway!!
313 BoomBoom // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:59 PM
Ashton
Just reading your posts, but I’m guessing you don’t have many friends?? You need to chill out.
Anita’s the worst signing weve made in years anyway!!
314 BoomBoom // Oct 26, 2012 at 8:59 PM
Ashton
Just reading your posts, but I’m guessing you don’t have many friends?? You need to chill out.
Anita’s the worst signing we’ve made in years anyway!!
315 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 9:01 PM
BoomBoom
Anita is sh(t? And people here get upset when they are called idiots!
316 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 9:02 PM
Ashton
Thats not even the same article thats your one from “sabotage times” which im sure is fine upstanding publication you probably found it looking for proof of UFO’S
317 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 9:08 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Implying that the article is solely made up to disprove you. And that it’s a lie because it says Anita isn’t a LB by trade.
You stupidity levels are off the charts right now!!
318 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 9:09 PM
Actually, Ashton I took my info from Wiki not an article, so know I didn`t leave out whatever it is you just posted.
I was merely pointing out that he became a regular in Ajax as a LB and played that position for 18 months. He only plyed in midfield for half a season. And there are many examples of players starting as juniors in one position then moving on to other positions as their career progressed.
Why pigeon hole a player as just one position.
Fergie started as a LW as a kid but Pards has mainly played him as a LB. He may well end up playing as a winger as time progresses.
Bale at Spurs started as a FB but now plays as a winger.
It`s normal for players to want to play in a certain position but in reality it`s always the manager who calls the shots
319 Krul to be Kind // Oct 26, 2012 at 9:10 PM
ASHTON
favoured position means nought, Ive played my whole life at centre half but my favoured position is No. 9, does that make me a striker?
Ashley cole grew up a striker and became the best left back the world over, doesn’t mean left back was his favourite position but was his best position, it may well turn out anita’s best position is dm not fb, but he came through the youth ranks as a fullback
320 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 9:13 PM
Ashton
Where did i say you invented a publication merely to prove someone wrong?
Your brain must be all over the shop
And aye im the stupid looking one right now…
321 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 9:15 PM
tequilamag
He isn’t a LB by trade then.
322 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 9:18 PM
Ashton he is a footballer by trade who happens to have played the most as LB.
323 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 9:18 PM
toonarmydownsouth
You questioned the authenticity of the site. Implying that the article should not be taken seriously. And if you didn’t mean that then you must agree with the article which says his favorite position is DM and was developed there at the academy. Which proves that you are wrong and an idiot.
324 Krul to be Kind // Oct 26, 2012 at 9:18 PM
tds it was tequilla, haha you just got caught in the crossfire…:-) time to move along this kids set to go off!!!
laters guys
325 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 9:22 PM
tequilamag
No he played the most as DM. He was developed as a DM. and he is a DM his best position is a DM and he prefers playing as a DM over anything else. so he is a DM by trade. It’s so simple of a concept but some fools don’t get it.
326 Krul to be Kind // Oct 26, 2012 at 9:22 PM
run along ashton
go to bed without supper you insolent insufferable child, why the name calling
327 tequilamag // Oct 26, 2012 at 9:28 PM
Ashton its not relevant where he played as a kid or where he wants to play. Most of his time in the Ajax first team was at LB. He is a player it`s not up to him which position he plays. Did he refuse to play LB for Jol? No of course not he was happy to get a game. Was he happier when he got to play in midfield for De Boer. Yeah he was probably happy as Larry. So what. That proves nothing. Anita is a player and will play where he is told to.If Pards thinks he is best suited to midfield he will play there. If Pards decides to play him as FB he will play there.
328 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 9:30 PM
Ashton
Questioning the relyability of an article is a bit different from saying you have purchases a web address invented a fake publication and mocked up an article
So seeing how far away from original comments your mind actually wonders the only thing youve proved tonight is your wrong and you are an id id idio nah fcuk it your child and your really not worth it you dont even really bring a debate to the table
329 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 9:56 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Way to understand my point grandpa!! Your post was so ridiculous that I sarcastically exaggerated everything just to emphasize on the the brobdingnagian magnitude of your stupidity.
330 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 9:59 PM
Thats right ashton you made yourself look stupid on puropse well done lad it was a success!
331 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 10:04 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Again, everything I say just flies over your head.
332 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 10:07 PM
Ashton
Not really your really not as bright as you think you are
333 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 10:14 PM
toonarmydownsouth
At least I know what I’m talking about. Unlike you “hurr Anita is A LB by trade durrrrrrrr” “why is everyone saying ba should be sold hurrrp derrrrrrrrrrrrrrp”
334 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 10:23 PM
Ashton
Have look at the posts is there anyone who hasnt called you stupid tonight?
By the way great come back very wity
335 Ashton // Oct 26, 2012 at 10:27 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Yes there are plenty. Want me to name them?
You got told again.
336 toonarmydownsouth // Oct 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM
Lol
Told again behave doubt you can tell time
337 Wor Cheik // Oct 26, 2012 at 11:31 PM
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