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Four Players Out After Anfield Draw – Not Good

8:15 pm, Sunday, November 4th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 116 Comments

The Newcastle manager did not seem a happy man after the 1-1 draw at Liverpool today, and Alan Pardew is unhappy that we have lost three good players to injury, and captain Fab Coloccini was sent off and will miss the next three league games.

Ben Arfa in action today – he made Newcastle’s goal

Newcastle finished the game with 10 men, after Coloccini had been sent off after 84 minutes for a high tackle on Luis Suarez, and the Newcastle manager had to replace Yohan Cabaye, James Perch and Demba Ba during the game because of injuries.

So if you lose four of your starting eleven in one game, that’s not good news for the manager, and Alan Pardew was not a happy man after the game, as he had this to say:

“It’s been an unsatisfactory day for us because we’ve lost three players to injury and had our captain sent off.” “The three injuries made my decision immune and I couldn’t change the game near the end even if I wanted to, and obviously we’ve lost our captain for three games so it’s been a tough day.

“On paper though, it’s a great result.”
“We got a good goal and started to look very threatening towards half-time, but you’ve got to be careful with them in possession because they move you around.” “In the second half we let them have it, tried to hit them on the break and we had two or three great chances.”

“Even with ten men we had chances.” “But their goal changed it. Had it gone on another ten minutes at 1-0 I think we would have won the game.” “However, we gave possession away at a bad time and a quick, early ball caught us out.”

“I don’t think there was any intent to hurt the player, I really don’t,” “I’ve looked at it with Colo and it doesn’t look good on the video.” “From one angle it looks bad but from another he puts his foot down to stop himself running into Suarez.”

“I don’t think he’s caught the player but I don’t think we’re going to have much chance on appeal by the footage.” “So I don’t think we will – we’ll have to accept it.”

Maybe these events will help persuade the higher-ups at Newcastle that we need more players brought in during the January transfer window, and from recent reports there seems to be a possibility that we could bring in Mathieu Debuchy, Douglas and Massou Sissoko – and if we can get those three through the door in January, then we’ll know Newcastle mean business.

But today’s game could take a heavy toll on the squad, and we’ll just have to wait for the Newcastle medics’  prognosis of the injuries to James Perch, Demba Ba and Yohan Cabaye.

We just watched a repeat of the game on TV, and maybe we’re the only ones, but we’re really proud of our lads today.

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Tags: Demba Ba · Fabricio Coloccini · Injuries · James Perch · Newcastle News · Yohan Cabaye

116 responses so far ↓

  • 1 toonLYF // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:17 PM

    Krul to be Kind –

    ” we looked to be closing down space to stop the short passing and hunting for the ball in the wide areas in packs.”

    Spot on there, it worked aswell, in effect forcing them to a long ball to get their goal; and even after that with the confidence and crowd behind them they still couldn’t break us down.

    If we had a release we could’ve really damaged them as i noticed Anita, Ben Arfa and Cabaye were getting forward very quickly.

  • 2 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    Nov 04 – 8:07 PM
    Anita was fantasic in CM today had a mare at RB but looked solid in the middle

    Agree colo is not overrated but that tackle was ridiculous unfortunatly he was right to go and were right not to appeal bad enough having him miss three games nevermind four!

    There were some positives today
    We got a point with 10 men away (again) taylor looked like himself again no fear threw himself at everything!
    Anita looked good as did santon simmo ba and sammy!

    HBA had an off day for me great assist but held the ball to long all day and his passing was always 2 yards behind the runner but you still know he can pull out magic whenever

    But cisse, jeez is this the same player? Not expecting him to score a wonder goal every game or anything but is it to much to expect a professional footballer to be able to take a first touch? His touch is shocking and his awarness is non existent atm, there was a dink in by simmi in the first half, you would expect a striker to be running into the box but he just stood and watched it then had a couple of chances were he didnt even look up just tried to turn and smack it looks so poor the lad needs a kick up the arse people seem to hammer ba and call himselfish but then say the team dont do enough for cisse! Well for me cisse doesnt do enough for the team, big demba does cisse needs benching

  • 3 Kebabacus // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:21 PM

    I went to see Barca at the Nou Camp last night. Iniesta was unreal.

    Messi, however, was awful. He looked hungover, hardly ran all game, and kept burping and clutching his chest. His son was just born, so he can be forgiven I suppose.

    Anyway, just goes to show even the best can have off games. I’m looking at you Mr Cisse.

  • 4 Kebabacus // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    A German friend of mine told me when we signed him not to expect too much of Cisse apart from putting the ball in the net. Now that he’s not doing that, I can really see what he meant.

  • 5 Quasi.modo // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:25 PM


    I definitely didn’t think it was an inept performance. I thought we were up against a very crisp and organised Liverpool side playing against a at times unplayable Suarez.

    When we got our foot on the ball and played it around we showed some good intent going forward. Thought Santon lacked a bit of drive going forward and got caught a few times, thought Anita was excellent in CM and Simmo easily dealt with Sterling, Kets you’re carving out a great rep as an idiot there fella.

    Guti has great work rate but there comes a time when we have to ask more than running from him to command a place in the team, he puts in a shift and when we’re under pressure he can relieve it very well, but when we want to pick an incisive pass or break quickly he isn’t exactly great for that.

    Ba was very good from defending set pieces and held up the ball very well at times, we missed him when he had to go off injured. Cisse was ineffectual again, seriously hope this drought doesn’t go on much longer, not questioning the lad’s ability but he needs to get going soon.

    And finally, I thought Colo’s red was indefensible, it was a certain red in my view. Suarez must have pissed him off something awful for the level headed Colo to go in like that.

    Good point.

  • 6 hoppernufc // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:27 PM

    Even last season cisse all round game wastnt great he’s just a goal scorer, personally I don’t understand why he started. Obertan sammy and fergie must be thinking the same thing as they would of been suited better playing on the left.

  • 7 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    The difference is messi even when playing sh1t will still bag a goal out of nothing cisse looks lost atm unfortunatly was hoping to see a more confident cisse today back in a 433 but was well off the pace

  • 8 Dannyo // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    Mark Douglas ?@MsiDouglas
    Perch out for month, Cabaye a doubt for next week & Colo out for 3 games. Rarely can a point have come with such collateral damage #nufc

  • 9 Quasi.modo // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:33 PM

    Well it is time for either Anita or Bigi to step into that CDM role now that Perch is injured and stake claim to it. Anita’s performance since Perch went off was a big plus from today’s game.

    It’s a concern that Colo is out for 3 games but Willo has played really well this season.

    Cabaye is our main attacking outlet and he’s the one that worries me the most. We can’t afford to be without him for too long.

  • 10 Krul to be Kind // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:34 PM


    spot on, even if ameobi were up there those 3 could have had a hatful playing off him on the break, well maybe not Anita haha, seen him hit a few shots since he came and they are definitely not handsome, defensive he most definitely is!

  • 11 Kebabacus // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:36 PM

    It’s a dilemma for Pardew. Bench him or just try to play him through it? What if it takes months? Young Campbell surely couldn’t do any worse? We could certainly do with his pace.

    Anyway, with the injuries and Colo’s suspension, it makes for interesting team selections on Thursday and Sunday.

  • 12 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:39 PM

    Does this mean perch is out and banned when he comes back or will his ban count as one of the games he misses through injury???

  • 13 Dannyo // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    Anita looked to have come slightly more to grips with the english game today, i have to say.
    Far from there yet, but he should be holding his own come christmas time i think.
    Jonas was woeful yet again for me, had some important interception the last 20 minutes i thought, but not happy with his play these days.
    Sammy looked like a breath of fresh air again, should be getting a start sooner rather than later.
    Fergy didn’t do much today really, chased ghost. But largely due to a CM role and the Collo went..

    Which btw was not a red in a million years!

  • 14 BelfastMagpie // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:43 PM

    Why dont we just play our Europa league team in the next premiership game? haha

  • 15 Dannyo // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:44 PM

    They will count through his injury.

  • 16 Quasi.modo // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:46 PM


    I can’t see where you’re coming from defending Colo’s sending off. He was late, he was high, he lunged, it was a red card every day of the week.

  • 17 Dannyo // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:50 PM

    He only made contact with the bottom of Suarez heal with the tip of his foot.

  • 18 BelfastMagpie // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:50 PM

    There wasnt much contact,but it was a dangerous tackle.

  • 19 Quasi.modo // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:52 PM


    It isn’t about contact, it’s about intent. That’s what the referees are told and that’s how we the fans should see it. It was a horrifically dangerous tackle and he deserved to be sent off unfortunately.

  • 20 Tsunki // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:53 PM

    Again like tiote, the colo red was harsh but in the rule book a studs up challenge only has to have intent to get you an early shower. He shouldnt have lost it just because suarez got inside him for the goal.

    I dont think simmo looked great at all, he looked like someone looking at the exit door who had been dropped to the bench.

    BUT it was a good point in the end, they were up for it and arent the worst liverpool team, just the least confident. all the talk about a certain win seems laughable now that reality has visited.

  • 21 AmericanMagpie // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    This game was broadcasted on national TV today in the US. You guys wont understand when an American wakes up and see there team on NATIONAL TV. I was just going to come check the score… then I turned on my TV and there are The Magpies!

  • 22 BelfastMagpie // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:58 PM

    His legs very high and his studs are up,so in todays climate its a red card.

    Another stupid one at that,just like Tiotes the other week.

  • 23 SupaToonKid // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    My line up vs Brugges (4-2-3-1):

    Tavernier, Williamson, Coloccini, Ferguson
    Tioté, Bigirimana
    Marveaux, Obertan, Sammy

    S. Taylor

  • 24 Quasi.modo // Nov 4, 2012 at 8:59 PM


    Anyone who was predicting a certain win were clearly smoking something. Liverpool were excellent against a strong Everton side, they played very well today and if they manage to sign a potent striker who Suarez can feed off then they will be a pretty decent side.

    Excellent point as far as I am concerned, I would have taken a point before the game and I am happy with a point now.

  • 25 Munster Mag // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:00 PM

    Broadly speaking, whilst it was great to get a point, there’s no way we could have argued if we lost the match. I said beforehand that we would give up 60% possession . Havent seen the stats but cant be far off. Ameobi must start to feature on the first team now ( wonderful performance ) , and Anita is beginning to show ability – people on this site who slag him off are stupid, and have no respect for Ajax’s traditions in terms of player ability and development. But this team worries me – we have little creativity, little wing play and are so focussed on shape that all else goes out the window. A draw at Anfield is a good result, but if Cisse isnt given chances to score, there’s no point in outlaying 9 mill on him. When is this team going to have a good first half, and when are we going to develop into an attacking force that sets up multiple opportunites? I dont wish to be dramatic here, but do NUFC look a more exciting, technically developed team that Sam Allardyce’s lot??

  • 26 Tsunki // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    Another thing to note is Pardew is dead right that the injuries made his tactical subbing moot, if he had had the choice of tactical changes we could have kept that win.

  • 27 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    True another stupid ban and tbh no excuse for it colo made it worse on himself by charging over when other players where there no need to make the challenge he was going nowhere they all know the rules on red cards and tbf the linesman was saying red card before suarez hit the deck

  • 28 Conaldo (The Wizard) // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:02 PM

    Ed – you certainly aren’t the only ones proud. We gave a very good account of ourselves given the circumstances today, and that will prove to be an important point I assure you.

    Real shame about the injuries, lets just win in Brugge then we can see where we are for west ham.

  • 29 SupaToonKid // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:02 PM

    Take Gosling off the subs bench actually and chuck in Adam Campbell & if Good is ready have him there instead of Saylor as they both need experience with our injury & suspension records looking bad.

  • 30 jimiley // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    Jonas was terrific today. He ran himself into the ground and covered for the defence. His presence got us the draw. At last starting to show his real ability. First name on the team sheet without a doubt.

  • 31 Conaldo (The Wizard) // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:08 PM

    Vs Bruggo

    Simmo Willo collo fergo
    Anito tioto marvo
    Squidwardo sholo/cisso sammyo

    Surely enough to win.

  • 32 Tsunki // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:08 PM

    Dannyo – I wondered where I had dropped my Black n White glasses after the unfair tiote red ha ha 🙂

  • 33 BelfastMagpie // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:10 PM

    I dont think Liverpool are as bad as some people make out like.

    And fair play to Rodgers for giving Sterling and Suso a chance.

    It just shows Dalglish up for being a fool.

    They spent a fortune last year,when these kids were already there.

  • 34 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:10 PM

    @ Jimiley

    Did you actually watch the game ? . He fell over with every bit of contact, looked sluggish, passed poorly and gave the ball away for Liverpool’s goal. First name on the team sheet you say

  • 35 Tsunki // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:10 PM

    jimiley – i agree with you there mate i am on the ‘save our spidey’ team too. Although tbf he also earned the scousers the draw.

  • 36 Tsunki // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:12 PM

    sterling suso and suarez were a gnats away from getting us turned over today. rand their boots off and harried us to death.

  • 37 Tsunki // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:13 PM


  • 38 BelfastMagpie // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    Jimley on the vodka and red bull 2nite? lol

    Worst player on the pitch.

    If Simpson or Willo were to play as crap as him lately they would be slaughtered

  • 39 Krul to be Kind // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    just to add in about Krul… I just feel so much more confident with him in goal, we look much more solid, very dominant and communicates well with his back 4 for a young keeper, i feel he just makes it that much more cohesive, we wont be as bad without colo for this absence with krul back from injury

  • 40 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    IMO the only time we looked like a team was the five minutes after Cabaye scored. We relaxed, passed the ball well and I had high hopes for the second half. Happy with the point but far from with the performance

  • 41 Tsunki // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:18 PM

    BPC – you miss a lot out in your description there. Plenty of tackles, interceptions and a few decent passes. His problem is that he is being asked to run around in circles which is doing his game no good and tiring him out. Others around him need to work more, nowhere near enough work rate from his compadres in midfield to offer support.

  • 42 cadete // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    to be honest i thought guti was terrible today again, yeah he works hard but he gives the ball away more often than not, and cant tackle that well he really shouldn be in the middle of the park at all, why not play bigi in there at least he can tackle and pass, dont get me wrong i like guti and he always puts in a great shift but working hard is not enough reason to play him when there is no return at all from all his running about

  • 43 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    @ Tsunki

    The good weigh’s out the bad I’m afraid

  • 44 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    The bad outweighs the good rather 🙂

  • 45 achtoon // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    Munster mug, you started well and made some good point let you down, badley. I saw more quality in this game than in the whole of fatties tenure as our manager. Not least is that we got a point at liverpool which we havent done. Headlines tomorrow. Liverpool salvage point from 10 man newcastle. Sounds good i think.

  • 46 achtoon // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    *Havent done for a long time

  • 47 Tsunki // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:24 PM

    If we want to pick a player out why not coloccini? Allowed suarez in for the goal, couple of wild missed tackles others had to mop up, caught out slow by their young lads, gets sent off. Bench him after the ban?

  • 48 colwell // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:28 PM

    Jonas was easily the worst player on the pitch today, his passing ability is awful. When he received the ball our build up play either slowed right down or broke down all together.

    If Oba had played as bad today most people would be slating him big time, I feel atm Oba offers alot more than Jonas.

  • 49 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:28 PM

    @ Tsunki

    Gutierrez has been poor pretty much all season whereas Collo very rarely has a bad game and generally performs well. The amount of pressure we had to soak up it was inevitable that they would get chances and Fabricio can’t stop them all

  • 50 Tsunki // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:28 PM

    BPC – I’ll take your first offer at 43 ha ha 😀

    I do think that its not Jonas that’s deteriorating, its the remit he has been given In this case I think Pards is mistaken to put the burden of running around like a headless chicken mopping up after a lacklustre midfield and santons forward drifts simply because he has the stamina and ability to do so. Judging by the way everyone is turning on him its doing him no good. Managers fault more than his.

  • 51 Tsunki // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    And jonas passing and getting caught has much to do with the above and liverpools attention to aggressively close us down. They can see we are not good at that.

  • 52 SupaToonKid // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    Jonas didn’t play as bad as some of you are suggesting. He made a fatal mistake which cost us the win but his overall performance was quite assured. He did not play good but he wasn’t bad, he was ok. Though I do love Jonas I can see his days numbered in midfield especially if Sissoko comes in. FB is where his future lies in my eyes.

  • 53 weztoon // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM

    Quasi.modo i agree with dannyo, the reason, because if colo had made contact with suarez leg deffo its a red, but the fact is he didnt, if we r going off intent, was sterling on cisse not a red!!!

  • 54 achtoon // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:34 PM

    That critical mistake was cisses fault as he passed the ball straight back to jonas who wasnt expecting it.

  • 55 Tsunki // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:35 PM

    The classic turnaround is suggesting we drop the awful jonas for the talented obertan. Fickle? Moi?

    BPC = Nah not serious about dropping Colo, just an illustration of how selective vision will see a good player pilloried because he is suffering under pardew’s formation choices. Only today, the injuries and sending off wouldnt allow pards to change it, so I let him off for this one 😉

  • 56 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    @ Tsunki

    I get the feeling most people love Jonas and feel he is already an adopted Geordie but people aren’t slating him for the fun of it they are concerned that is all, same applies to Cisse. My problem is that he gets in the team because he is a fan and manager favorite which is unfair IMO. Look at Fergie, he gets 3 assists in a couple of substitute appearances and still can’t force Gutierrez out. Maybe a stint on the bench would show him that he is not a guaranteed starter and make him want to play better and warrant his place in the team

  • 57 Dannyo // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    I know it’s dangerous, but it ultimatly wasn’t. He didn’t even manage to chip off Suarez shoe.
    I still think it’s bull that refs are taught to punish probability ahead of fact.

  • 58 SupaToonKid // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:39 PM

    I feel really bad that Perch is out for a month. The lad has come on so much and looks very assured in CDM putting in great tackles, tracking back to help the back 4 with pace, good passing & superb work effort. He looked our best player when he was on today. I love PERCHINHO.

  • 59 colwell // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:40 PM

    As a winger i’d easily drop Jonas for either Oba,Sammy or Fergie all of them have more to offer us atm.

    In the CM for me it should be Anita,Tiote and Cabaye just in front. Therefore for me Jonas isn’t in what i’d say is our strongest 11.

  • 60 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:40 PM

    Jonas played in CM today surely you cant want him dropped and fergie bought in to CN

  • 61 Jail for Ashley // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:41 PM

    Sorrry,for the brief post as I’m tired and a bit drunk,but I thought Jonas put in a proper shift today in defence of all those who have been knocking him of late.

  • 62 BelfastMagpie // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:43 PM

    Jonas is becoming like the family pet who needs to be put asleep.

    You dont want to do it,but you know its for the best.

  • 63 BelfastMagpie // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:44 PM

    Ok Im sorry 😉

  • 64 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:48 PM

    @ toonarmydownsouth

    Not at all. Anita is a specialized CM and should be starting over Gutierrez every time for that role. I would have dropped Cisse today and played Either Fergie or Sammy on the left of the 4-3-3 with Perch,Anita and Cabaye in the middle. I do think Jonas is a winger but he has lost a yard of pace and can’t cross to save his life, as for playing fullback who knows ? . I know they tried it with Argentina and it failed miserably

  • 65 Dannyo // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:48 PM

    NUFC Stats ?@NUFC_Stats
    Jonas: 0 shots, 20/24 passes, 0/2 att third, 0 chances created, 0 crosses, 0 take ons, 2 tackles, 1 interception, 1/5 clearances #nufc

    That’s Jonas stats today. Atleast some of them.
    Make of that what u will.

  • 66 Shot Bru // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:50 PM

    Quality finish from Cabaye again….outstanding player.

    Maybe not all bad Colo being out of the West Ham game….Williamson will be better at handling Carroll in an aerial duel.

  • 67 stuart no9 // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:51 PM

    the game today was a one that liverpool deserved to win for their possession, and the overall quality of their play, however, at the same timeit would have been hard on us to have conceded a late goal and came away with nothing. ok we lost a few players, but for the first 30 mins, while everyone was still on the pitch, we looked as though we were going to get another good hiding, liverpool were ripping through us with ease, it should not be that easy. we have got to play football from the first whistle- thats what worries me about pards, he dosnt take risks. AP would have known that from the off liverpool would attack us as they do every game i have seen over yhe years- luckily liverpool are not as good at present, good job too.he has got to change the way we set about games, a different game plan is needed other wise we are going to have to watch teams rip through us coz he hasnt got the bottle to go for it and take a gamble, it is becoming a familiar sight watching the toon frantically fighting at the death to get a result. this is not just liverpool or man utd even just last week , west brom at home. pards has to changeor has he took us as far as he can ,just likeCH only a couple of years ago, we will see. but i think AP has peaked.

  • 68 Quasi.modo // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:54 PM


    I don’t make the rules. The FA do and under the rules it is a red card so I can’t see where there is any room for debate.

  • 69 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:55 PM

    @ Belfast

    Bit harsh like 🙂 . People are acting like Gutierrez not starting means he disappears of the face of the Earth but that is not the case at all. He will still get playing time in Europe and when we have injury’s or suspensions but as for warranting a starting place every week is my problem

  • 70 darrenfletcher88 // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:56 PM

    There’s putting 100% into the game!! But jonas lacks quality,sissoko is the missing piece of are jig shaw

  • 71 ITUNDERASHELL // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:59 PM

    We are starting to look like a team at last, Sammy was brilliant when he came on and l think he will be a regular next season.
    Anita looks to be adjusting to the premiership and will be another top class player for us.
    Benny is brilliant but still gives the ball away too easily and can open us up to counter attacks.
    We might very well sell Tiote in January to fund another 2 or 3 players, Sissoko, Debuchy and Douglas would be wonderful and take us to the next level.
    My big worry is Ba leaving as he is our top striker.

  • 72 Dannyo // Nov 4, 2012 at 10:01 PM

    Uhh… Sometimes i hate common sense.
    I know u’re right, but i’m still angered by it.
    Things has to change.
    If a man tries to murder someone, but doesn’t, he’s judged according to attempted murder, not murder.

    It’s that whole thing that has me dazed.

  • 73 colwell // Nov 4, 2012 at 10:02 PM

    When HBA first arrived Jonas was playing poor and dropped. A few games later he started again as was brilliant like the Jonas we saw make his debut at Utd.

    When players have dips in form they should not be guaranteed a starting position. So far Ba,Cisse,Saylor even Santon and Hba last year were dropped.

  • 74 BelfastMagpie // Nov 4, 2012 at 10:09 PM


    You cant keep playing that poorly,and then keep starting every week.

    Pardew just needs to bite the bullet and bench him.

  • 75 nick_9 // Nov 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM

    Injuries and Suspensions…. our worst fears. League table is looking ok but still wondering what if….

  • 76 geordie157 // Nov 4, 2012 at 10:37 PM

    Why is Jonas unstoppable! Give abeid a chance maybe?

  • 77 geordie157 // Nov 4, 2012 at 10:38 PM

    Oops undroppable! He was unstoppable in another lifetime

  • 78 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 4, 2012 at 10:40 PM

    Just watching MOTD2 and have to say, 2nd half every highlight they have shown of liverpool counter attacking has come from HBA losing the ball cheaply by holding it too long instaed of passing

  • 79 lucasnufc // Nov 4, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    Tired of the Jonas bashing. Knew as soon as he made the mistake for the goal the blog would be up in arms. Pardew WOULD NOT play him if he wasn’t valuable to the team. It’s not as if he’s scared to drop “big” players. HBA, Ba, Cisse, Saylor etc. Jonas does lots and lots of tireless work. I would play him every week and I guarantee we would miss him if we didn’t play.

  • 80 wingspan // Nov 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM

    Althought there is the obvious negatives from this game i like to look at the positives:

    1. Anitas best performance by far, starting to show his true potential
    2. Colo out is a big loss for sure but our next 3 games are West Ham, Swansea and Southampton i like to think we can deal with them games without him
    3. Sammys looking great
    4. We cant expect magic all the time from benny, granted he didnt have his best game but he still provided a brilliant assist and so he did his job for me. And he worked really hard.

    Chins up gents.

  • 81 fray bentos // Nov 4, 2012 at 10:57 PM


    He’s been like that for a few games now, funny how nobody on here gives him the same shite that Joan’s is currently getting

    He’s untouchable in many people’s eyes due, I’m not sure if they aren’t watching the game properly only seeing the highlights or if they just ignore it

  • 82 fray bentos // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:01 PM


    Agreed, posters sound stupid when they say pardew picks his favourites, , do they actually think a football manager would actually reduce their chances of winning a game for the sake of friendship when there is so much pressure and so much at stake, I think not

  • 83 Munster Mag // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:04 PM

    I dont think its a case of positivity or negativity – an issue that has polarised this forum since the word “negger” came out. Whats more important is accuracy of analysis or interpretation – given that we are not privvy to how the weeks training is going, players not being 100% etc. I’m beginning to wonder of Pards has had the best season he will ever have , and I dont wish to be unfair, as I have liked him from day one. Can anyone comment on the following:

    – We never seem to play well in the first half – why?
    – Here we were hammered, totally, for the fits 30 mins – ie 1/3 of the game , and much of the first part of the second half.
    – We lack aggression in our closing down
    – We keep our shape well, consistently
    – We give the ball away a lot ( witness first goal – needless possesion lost in midfield)
    -The strikers we chose to play together dont seem to work ( an error in purchasing or a temporary issue? )
    – The management do not know what formation suits us best
    – 442 doesnt suits us because we lack wing play and our strikers dont fit
    4-3-3 doesnt suit us because Pardew is afraid of compromising and annoying Ba by keeping Cisse as the main striker
    – Have we had one dominant league game this season?
    – Apparently we play more long bvall that West Ham ( Allardyce again ) – is it no wonder we lone passession?
    – Ameobi has to start more often!

    Considered opinions please…..

  • 84 BelfastMagpie // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:05 PM

    I agree about Ben Arfa too.

    He played poorly,but still set up the goal.
    He could play rubbish but still win you the game,thats why I wouldn’t drop him.

    Next week will be a tough one against fat sham.

    Really hope we tank them. lol

  • 85 colwell // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:08 PM

    HBA will always lose the ball but it 10x the player jonas will ever be.

    Jonas has been poor recently but while HBA isn’t at his best he is still producing assists/goals etc.

    The only reason we have done ok just is because of him and Ba.

    How many times did Suarez play a poor pass or just lose the ball today? doesn’t matter as he contributes the most to their team. HBA is the most attacking player we have.

  • 86 colwell // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:09 PM


    Beat me too it swine lol

  • 87 lucasnufc // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:11 PM


    Yeah just think we need to realise that football isn’t just about what the person with the ball is doing. Simpson another example, didnt realise how sound he was until we had perch/Anita at rb

  • 88 BelfastMagpie // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:11 PM

    I read your mind mate.

    Special powers.. 😉

  • 89 jeff // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:13 PM

    man of the match


  • 90 APBWA // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:17 PM

    We should be chuffed with a point today, maybe not after we were ahead but we have to accept it.

    Anita played well today, kept it simple and looked the best in midfield imo. Cabaye was quiet as was Ben Arfa apart from the goal but thats what you get with quality players!

    Ba and Cisse were feeding off scraps to be fair hard to judge eithers performance as they had no true chances.

    Criminal of Jonas to misplace a pass like that however as soon as Liverpool got the ball back CBs should have been on Suarez, they were not switched on enough. Taylor apart from this had a stormer, though.

    Thought Colo was OK, just up against a class player, a 50/50 contest with suarez. Jonas battled but again (as shown for suarez’s goal, cant pass) Should be used as a FB

  • 91 euanpolo // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:23 PM

    I would be happy with the result today but the red card and the injuries have soured it. I really hope they’re not too serious but Ba and Perch were not moving too well – we’ll just have to wait for news I suppose.

  • 92 nick_9 // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:23 PM

    Ben Arfa did lose the ball several times when trying to create something, all three of those highlights of him losing the balls was when we were at 1:1 when he was trying to get us back in it. If you guys are going to highlight him losing the ball then you are drawing comparisons of our other players who lose the ball often without any end product, ala Jonas. Perhaps they both wouldn’t lose the ball as much if we had a little more movement in the team. Statistically Ben Arfa goes on a lot of dribbles so some are bound to not come off, you’re all happy when they do come off though aren’t you. Cisse was not at fault for the goal, Jonas was. How can cisse be at fault for the Jonas pass because he had a few players approaching?

    Oh and it’s not that we make players scapegoats, if a player isn’t performing well as paying fans we have the right to say so on a blog. If it was about making a player a scapegoat then why do people think cisse needs dropping when he was the golden boy for the second part of last season. If they put in a good performance we recognise it, as we do a bad one.

  • 93 nick_9 // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:27 PM

    Munster last season fans didn’t seem to notice the bad performances as much when the points are racking up. It’s easy to dismiss a bad performance when you are say in the top six, when you’re mid table it’s not as easy. Luckily it’s still early days are we are still up there, if the team clicks we could be laughing.

  • 94 Munster Mag // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:32 PM

    I agree Nick and your last post was very well put. My concern is that we have regressed from what I can see – or else we reached a false peak last season? I’d love to see more flair in the team but we are workmanlike – which is good but we lack invention all over the place. I really think Santon needs a longer run at right back.

  • 95 fray bentos // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:38 PM

    Done get me wrong, i like Ben arfa and he would probably be the first name on my first 11, but he’s almost immune to criticism on here and I think he could improve his game nd be even better

  • 96 nick_9 // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:43 PM

    Munster for me it’s a few things. Firstly a lot of other teams strengthened and started brightly, we brought in three midfield players and a young cb who we haven’t seem when most fans were crying out for another centre back, striker, full back and so on. Marveaux was like an additional signing apparently, yet to see it though. Secondly we have already played five more European games in midweek whereas last season we didn’t have these and that was a plus web playing teams who did have European games. Thirdly the injuries and suspensions haven’t given us a consistent team to put out, last season we went unbeaten for eleven games and played a very similar team. This season we have used a lot more of the squad in more games with more injuries and suspensions and less time to prepare for each game and recover afterwards. Those are some of the reasons why we are struggling, i do however feel like we should be playing much better. I am either overrating the players we have or asking to much? Having seen west brom, reading and even villa knock it about better than us it makes you start to wonder. I do also feel that a lot of work or lack of work off the ball goes unnoticed to fans who aren’t at the games. The camera angle or highlights only show what they want to show And not the full picture.

  • 97 APBWA // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:46 PM

    Team for Thursday and Sunday

    Santon Coloccini Williamson Fergie
    ~~~~~~~~ Jonas Tiote
    ~~~~Obertan Marveaux Sammy

    Simpson Taylor Williamson Santon
    ~~~~Anita Bigirimana Cabaye
    ~~~~~~~~~Ben Arfa
    ~~~~~~~~~Ba Cisse

  • 98 nick_9 // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:51 PM

    Fray agreed, however I think a lot of our players could improve there play in certain ways but it seems saying some means you are being negative. Asking for more isn’t allowed it seems. For me a lot of it is what the players off the ball do, they are far to static and hardly ever support the player on the ball. If you watch it when we have possession we hardly ever have players moving into space and more often that not have one player in the oppositions box with four or five defenders. We are having to rely on wonder goals.

    Munster have you ever seen that dreading free kick to either Taylor or Williamson at one side of the box come off? It pins all your hopes on one player winning the challenge when surely if it was put right in the mixer there would be more chance of another player getting a touch or going straight in?

  • 99 nick_9 // Nov 4, 2012 at 11:59 PM

    We have also played four of the current top five, west brom who started off well, an active Liverpool side away and the mackems away. That’s seven tough games but imagine if w won the next two home games? Surely we would be right up there

  • 100 Munster Mag // Nov 5, 2012 at 12:11 AM

    Nick, I can’t accept the tiredness argument re skill and technical ability – and free kicks. Largely because we havent played one decent full game all season in the league and Liverpool should have won all ends up today. As you say we have been outplayed by all tyhe mid – lower ranking teams , and they dont have Cabaye ( a bit overrated but v good nonetheless ) , HBA, Ba, Anita etc, although they obviously have guys like Shane Long, who probably cost too much for us! I respect pardews depth of analysis of opposition, his ability to get a team to grind out results, but quite simply, our shape and the contributions of maybe 3 players are keeping us sweet. We look technically worse at keeping the ball than most teams, and we are happy to turf away possession because our defensive structure ( hats off ) is covering up the bad stuff. We should be doing better, and i can see little positive this season compared to last , apart from Ferguson and Ameobi jnr. If HBA or Cabaye get hurt, one wonders who will create the goals? Can Pardew get his team to be both structured and creative and score goals? I certainly havent seen it this season. I think Guti sums up Pardews philosophy – work rate, shape, but lacking in consistent end product, and far more focussed of defending than attacking.

  • 101 Munster Mag // Nov 5, 2012 at 12:13 AM

    Feck, its way part my bed time, and the alarm goes off at 6 ! Arse!!!!!!

  • 102 nick_9 // Nov 5, 2012 at 12:29 AM

    I do feel we are more geared towards the mentality of not losing instead of securing the win, I mean that in the sense that we would rather protect the lead than increase it. You don’t often see the top teams sitting back on a one goal lead yet we seem to do it whenever we have one. I think if we could give a team a good hiding it would really benefit us. Like you say with the players we have we should be playing a lot better, that’s not a dig at Pardew but there must be a reason as to why we have no fluidity. I’m all for consistency myself so i’m not calling for his head but changes need to be made, whether its training, starting eleven, formations I don’t know. We certainly aren’t getting the best of the current crop and if we don’t appear to be going places then they certainly won’t stay with us, it’s hard to be loyal when another team can double your wages. DCatchy in Norway I’m with you mate, in my opinion we are playing rubbish with no movement are only really have santon and Ben Arfa looking like they can create something (young ferguson also). That being said we are still in the mixer as it is early days, a win tomorrow and the league starts to look a lot better with a couple of winnable home games next. I’m not negative but I come on this blog to read other Nufc fans views and vent my frustration or air my views, my gripe is that we have some good players in Ben Arfa, santon, cisse and Ba that could all be very lethal but we aren’t creating enough. Imagine how many Ba and cisse could score if we actually looked like we could string five passes together and create something. I think the next game at home is West Ham right? Or is it Swansea then West ham? Anyway whoever it is I hope we really take it to them, all guns blazing.

    Pards don’t risk any key personnel on Thursday, protect the players for Sunday and get them fired up to play against the hammers at a good tempo from the off.

  • 103 nick_9 // Nov 5, 2012 at 12:32 AM

    Wow that was a long post by me, I somehow managed to paste another comment from Saturday night into that comment without realising and post it. Muppet!

  • 104 NUFC STEVE // Nov 5, 2012 at 1:14 AM

    Anyone think we need a WINGER as much as a CB. Obertan should have started today on the left, absolute joke seeing Cisse there.

  • 105 89Norcal // Nov 5, 2012 at 1:20 AM

    Pool pressed the living hell out of us, we could hardly keep possession.

    Anita did well today, he intercepted a few passes and was did well in the midfield to break up play. I really hate how Pards uses Guti as a defensive player now, would rather see Fergie start there because Guti brings no composure to our midfield. Do I have to mention his god awful return pass to Cisse which led to the equalizer?

    Btw how did Nuri Sahin NOT GET BOOKED? I counted a good 4 or 5 fouls by him and nothing! He was chopping every toon players ankles that got within 25 yards of goal!

  • 106 YorkshiresFinestGeordie // Nov 5, 2012 at 1:20 AM

    I dont know why some people are getting on at Colo about the goal. Fisrt of all, it was Jonas’ fault. Second, what could he have done, pulled him down and leave us with 10 men for longer. And finally, no way would you expect suarez to control it and take it down like that.

    Some of you just cant admit that SUAREZ scored a brilliant goal against us.

  • 107 Mister Tuff // Nov 5, 2012 at 1:37 AM

    Pardew said a few weeks ago that the time to assess Newcastles’ season was after 10 games. Seeing that he has not said anything so far I might as well do it for him.
    To be fair, we are in a good position, considering the amount of injuries we’ve had to senior players and having two games a week has led to the players being tired. Some of the youngsters have performed very well and are knocking on the first team door. Some of the youngsters have been given playing time, and to be fair, they have done us proud. I am going to persist with Gabby Obertan, because I signed him, I just cannot let old red nose get away with thinking he has sold me a duffer. We now have more injuries and will miss Tiote and Coloccini for a few games. To be fair, this will provide opportunities to some of the youngsters to step up to the plate and prove what they can do. Fans have criticised us for not buying in players in the summer, to be fair, we thought the squad would be capable of getting us to the January window, that was my assessment and Derek confirmed this assessment by referring to his ouija board. Having senior players injured so early in the season has, to be fair, dealt us a severe blow, but I think we have coped very well. With all our problems, being in mid table is an achievement, in the summer we did not think we would have so many injuries and therefore did not think a valid risk of this happening would prevail and in any event Derek confirmed this after consulting his tarot cards and after a tea leaf reading by Gypsy Rose Lee.
    To be fair, we are only 10 points behind Man United, and have some winable games in the run up to December so I think we have done quite well in the circumstances. We are tracking new players and hope to have a quality signing in the January window

  • 108 jawballsaswallwell // Nov 5, 2012 at 1:41 AM

    I don’t know how anyone could be disappointed about that. a battling point against a decent Liverpool side at Anfield. Let’s face it, we’ve habitually left there red faced and red arsed over the years. I’m starting to think we’re no longer Liverpool’s bitches and I’d be perfectly happy if it wasn’t for Collo’s sending off which was as inexplicably stupid as Tiote’s at “The Stadium of Blight”. That’s arguably our two most valuable players missing for a total of six games for no reason at all. Dummies!!

  • 109 89Norcal // Nov 5, 2012 at 2:29 AM

    Well said, Mister Tuff. We’ve had a few draws, some of them arguably should have been wins, but I’ll take them over losses anyday especially with the form and injuries we’ve have.

    Suarez’ goal was just the product of one of those brilliant moments from a brilliant player. Though I remember either Saylor or Simpson peeling off him while the ball was airborne, and I’m not sure why they didn’t continue to cover him to help Colo.

  • 110 Mister Tuff // Nov 5, 2012 at 2:40 AM

    89 -my jokes aside -being realistic bearing in mind how we have played (or not played), injuries, unstrengthened squad, being only ten points behind Man U -is not\an unrealistic gap to close down -providing we do well in the run up to January- or keep within a reasonable distance and get some new players in we may be able to challenge. No new players (quality players) will result in lower place in league and therefore the loss of millions.

  • 111 JAMSHA // Nov 5, 2012 at 2:50 AM

    ALL I CAN SAY FK U SUarez …u cheat…hw many players wer shown red card by his fake dives

  • 112 Santon03 // Nov 5, 2012 at 4:22 AM

    Great job vs Liverpool, we looked better than before as a team. It was a great goal by Cabaye and it took also a great goal to equalize by Suarez, but I really hate that guy Suarez and Sterling, well I hate Liverpool. Sterling is starting to copy Suarez’s diving and acting techniques, if we could rewind time, I hope Colo really broke Suarez’s leg.
    When Sterling tackled Cisse badly, he didn’t get yellow and he stayed on the pitch, and we had to play with 10 while Cisse must get off the field.
    I really really hate that freakin Liverpool.

  • 113 cyprus // Nov 5, 2012 at 4:22 AM

    Battling displays, an air of desperation, reliance on moments of brilliance, no cohesion, boot it up the field and hope, an underdog feeling even with lowly teams.
    Not pleasant to watch, for sure. What to do, I am sure AP is asking: We have some brilliant players but not a team. Back with suggestions in another post, when I figure it out 🙂

  • 114 davis_toons // Nov 5, 2012 at 7:39 AM

    Tsunki // Nov 4, 2012 at 9:24 PM

    Colo does makes very important tackles and interception that leads to goals.

    That is the most important that the modern c.defenders got to have. imo

    Just go check out the runs he make and interception he made.

    Once a successful interception is made we are on a counter attack. It makes our team very dangerous on a counter.

  • 115 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 5, 2012 at 8:08 AM

    Morning Gents,

    Well well, what an odd game of emotions. Here’s my ratings.

    Krul – Overall pretty good. If I had been an opposing fan I would be furious with his time delaying. Not much he could have done about the goal – 7/10
    Anita – I thought he looked somewhat out of place at RB tbh. He seemed to not be able to get back quick enough after attacking either, food for thought on this we need FB’s who can defend scenario. At CM he played pretty well, getting in to good positions, some good passing etc. I do find him a bit either small / lightweight or maybe he’s just not adjusted to the PL yet and hasn’t found a way to compensate for his size. – 6.5/10
    Simpson – Once he came on did a reasonable job in defense. Not a lot going forward really, but nothing new there – 6.5/7
    STaylor – I thought Taylor put in a really good performance. Rallied the troops well and put his body on the line. Should definitely re-establish his role as a starting CB over Willo – 8/10.
    Colo – Now this one is hard. I thought overall, this was one of Colo’s poorer performances for a good long while. Really didn’t have Suarez controlled. As for the sending off, it was a red or at best, we can’t argue it was a red. You may argue lack of contact, but during a live game of football, you can certainly see giving a red. After seeing replays, I still can’t see what he was trying to do, silly move from a normally cool character 5/10.
    Santon – Did pretty well, but did give the ball away cheaply a fair few times – 7/10.
    Cabaye – Decent game and put in a great shift and chipped in with a beautifully taken goal – 8/10
    Perch – Only played a little bit and sad to see him off injured. Didn’t play too well at the beginning, but maybe would have picked up – N/A
    Guti – Put in an okay defensive shift (just okay). Was a silly return by Cisse, which put him under pressure which ultimately led to the goal, easy to blame Guti, felt Cisse was perhaps more to blame here, Guti was surrounded – 6/10
    HBA – Made some decent runs, set up the goal nicely, lost the ball cheaply at times – 7/10
    Ba – Hit and miss, not sure what else to say really – 6/10
    Cisse – Not really with us yet. Work rate not great, probably why Ba is better of the Left, purely as he will work harder – 6/10.

    Subs –

    Sammi – Thought this was the wrong sub. Gave Liverpool a few tricky moments, but nothing too dangerous – 6/10
    Fergie – Not really able to get in to the game much and certainly didn’t fill Cabaye’s role – 6/10.

    Pardew – Set up well I thought. Was somewhat handicapped by the injuries and need for early subs. Not sure I can put this one down to Alan.

    Newcastle – Always knew it would be tough. Defended pretty well, seeing as that’s what we did for the majority of the game. Showed some good spirit for the draw, if more of our players had been on form, perhaps we could have ended our no win voodoo. Still, well happy to take a draw from the fixture, especially when considering the way they game panned out.

    Liverpool – Actually played well imo. Looked a dangerous team, expect where scoring goals in concerned. They are screwed without Suarez, who despite the fact I despise him, played a really good game. He was their big difference.

    Overall, not happy about the game, but am with the result / point. Bad day at the office.

    Next – Going to be tough without Colo, hopeful on injury news, don’t really want to be without Perch, Ba and Cayabe for any length of time.

  • 116 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 5, 2012 at 8:11 AM

    Cabaye* obviously not Cayabe 🙂

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