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Alan Pardew – Newcastle Didn’t Get The Breaks Today

6:45 pm, Sunday, November 11th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 278 Comments

It was a bad defeat today for Newcastle, and since we’ve been flying high since the start of last season,  we don’t expect to be beaten at home by mediocre teams like West Ham, but that’s what happened today, and after 11 league games we are 11 points behind the pace we set last season.

Kevin Nolan scores – and look at the reaction of Steven Taylor

Kevin Nolan scored the only goal of the game just before half time, and then Andy Carroll missed the proverbial sitter after 74 minutes – thanks to a great save from Tim Krul – otherwise it could have been even worse with our two former players scoring in the game.

And credit to Kevin Nolan for not celebrating after he scored, although you could see he wanted to after he put home a low diagonal cross into the net – let be truthful – Kevin was a class act at Newcastle, and he showed today he has not changed.

Alan Pardew was as frustrated as the rest of the Newcastle fans this afternoon, and we had a great turn-out of over 51,000 fans at St, James’ Park, and after the game the Newcastle manager had this to say to Sky Sports:

“At home we want to get the fans in the stadium in a good place but we didn’t start well.” “And then we’ve conceded when we should have squeezed the pitch in that situation. Then we’ve got a battle on our hands.”

“West Ham with the way they play, it’s very stop-start. There are a lot of set-plays going into your box and it’s fragmented.” “They had a little bit more power on the pitch. But we still created loads of chances.”

“One looks close to being over the line. We needed a break but we didn’t get that today.” “We have had nine efforts on goal today and that’s enough for two goals really but the shots were just lacking in quality and the final pass was lacking imagination.”

“We’ve given everything we can and we’ve come off losing today.”

Alan’s right that we created lots of chances today, but we just couldn’t get the ball in the back of the net, and after West Ham scored luck was on their side.  But we also have to start these games as though we want to win them, and we didn’t start to play until we were 1-0 down and then we were the better side.

But it could be that we just don’t have a good enough or big enough squad right now, to cope with European competition in addition to the home program, and we still think that Newcastle will try to fortify their squad by bringing in new players in January.

It may sound silly but we think a defeat could be more positive for Newcastle today than another draw, because we are forced to face the reality of defeat at home against a mediocre side, and if we had managed a draw,  then local reporters would talk about 7 games without defeat.

That means nothing, and wins are what count in football these days , and draws are not what gets you up the league table – and to that end – defeats are not much worse than draws.

This could turn out to be a positive for Newcastle – although we agree – it doesn’t seem like that right now – this defeat is hard to take.

What do you think?

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278 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 11, 2012 at 6:47 PM

    I think Pardews luck has finally run out

  • 2 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 6:48 PM

    LMFAO

    i can not understand how so many of you can come on here week after week and stick up for pardew,,

    at the end of the day this is his team, he sets them up to play his way,

    he has not got any balls to drop players, instead he tries to fit everyone into one neat little system that is no use to anyone,

    there is a few of us on here that has been saying it from day one, pardew is shit, last season was a fluke, we played shit, but had lots of luck, some of you said we played well,, sorry, we played crap, even against man u, 3-0 it was long ball football,

    some of you think its the players,, well if it was not for BA we would be in deep shit right now,

    CISSE is not a great footballer,, but he is a great finisher, give the guy service

    cabaye, plays amazing for france,, but its hard for him to impose his game in his own half

    HBA, most teams just stick 2 on him now cos we dont play with a left winger, jonas is our 3rd DMF whis he is shit at

    now you lot who like pardew,, its plain to see only 1 of 2 things is happening,

    1, pardew has no clue
    or
    2. the players are not playing for him,,

    i can see no other reason for us playing so shit,,

    take your pick, but both will get him sacked soon

  • 3 toonLYF // Nov 11, 2012 at 6:49 PM

    tads – Exactly mate, Pardew has made this lot think they will be starting every week regardless. Drop 2 or 3 for a few games and they’ll sharp get bored of sitting on the bench.

    I know Jonas has been getting stick recently, alot of it unfair, but christ he had one of the most shocking 15-20 minutes i’ve seen live from a professional footballer. Cant remember him making a single pass/dribble or tackle. A central midfielder, he is not.

  • 4 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 6:49 PM

    Nout to do with not getting the breaks we just didnt turn up and any team that creates that many chances at home without taking them can have no excuses other than a poor performance

  • 5 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 6:49 PM

    nice to see you beattie

    you have been missed

  • 6 stuart no9 // Nov 11, 2012 at 6:51 PM

    “we didnt get the breaks today” we did get the breaks, but our docile manager decided not to put bodies in the box, and get on the end of those breaks , what a tosser.

  • 7 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    hahahaha

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20196343

    watch it

    newcastle at home, we must score 1/2/3/4,, when has any game undre pardew looked like we will score 4

  • 8 davis_toons // Nov 11, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    1. Goalline show the Ball cross-over the line.
    2. The West Ham goal, Shane (LB) could have done more, he didnt notice that O’brien was just behind him. (Needed more games to get experience)

    Is so much the team can do..with limited “purple” players

  • 9 Magpies-till-d3ath // Nov 11, 2012 at 6:54 PM

    that 8 year contract was an awful decision!! Pardew hasn’t a bloody clue! We have to put up with his stupid management for 8 years!!!!!! Also, when Cisse isn’t on form he really is crap!! Something needs to be done or we’ll be the laughing stock of the league again.

  • 10 spitfire_ // Nov 11, 2012 at 6:54 PM

    “West Ham with the way they play, it’s very stop-start. There are a lot of set-plays going into your box and it’s fragmented.”

    Said again? Isn’t this also our style of play? Isn’t we play with a lot and I mean A LOT of long balls and cross in the box… just like West Ham? Pardew is blind or retarded… no offense to those who are blind or retarded.

  • 11 donegalmag // Nov 11, 2012 at 6:55 PM

    anyone else rather see Sammy than Shola at half time..we were to predictable today, didn’t really change the system enough to trouble west ham..too easy for them to defend long balls..

  • 12 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 6:58 PM

    players i dont want to see come on

    shola
    obertan,,

    nothing from them

  • 13 Rotonda heights // Nov 11, 2012 at 6:58 PM

    worst managerial performance I have ever seen.
    Chasing a game and hardly anyone in the box in the 95th min.

    Is it good enough to keep pardew just because no one else would work for ashley? if so we’re f….d for the next 8 years.

    Hughton got us to a level, pardew got us to another level, has he now hit the buffers? People keep saying it will change. Well it didn’t when Pardew had the best striker in the world (tevez) at the time and the best DM (mascherano)

  • 14 Conaldo (The Wizard) // Nov 11, 2012 at 6:59 PM

    Catchy and rotonda –

    Run off? Where am I going to run off to? THIS IS THE INTERNET!!! It’s not an actual geographical location, running off? No im sick of people like you slagging off my football team. People like you are the ones who sacked bobby Robson and I hated the people for that.

    And catchy saying that he wasn’t even happy with the 3-0 vs Man U, not only do I find that personally offensive as a Newcastle fan, it shows he is not a Newcastle fan, and that he will never be happy with anything so there is no point in talking to him.

  • 15 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    We didnt deserve anything today we have nothing in the middle

  • 16 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:02 PM

    Pardew doesn’t pick the best team. Anita should’ve started and Abeid and Marveaux should’ve also played. Xisco should at least be on the bench. Street or Good should be in place of Williamson.

  • 17 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:03 PM

    Moyes will only leave Everton,for a man utd,Man City etc.

    And there’s no way he would tow the party line,like Pardew does.

  • 18 tequilamag // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    Conaldo just logged on to catch the reactions. Hysterical sums it up

  • 19 Marty-Toon // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:05 PM

    He won’t get the sack,not for a long time.
    We got lucky against west brom and played rubbish in most of our games now,especially from the start.
    We don’t seem to boss the midfield in any of our games,and today our passing was pathetic.
    Ap is dodging bullets,we created chances(yes we did)but we didn’t look hungry and couldn’t keep the ball at home.
    Alan,we’re at home and expect things to happen.
    He sad before the game that both teams ave been playing good football but we haven’t at all.
    We’re gettin shwn up by mediocre sides,Swansea will have us chasing shadows.
    To blame Europe is wrong,we ad 9changes from Brugge game so our team was “fresh”,I understand that our squad is small but we had a lot of rested players on.
    So what’s wrong with our attitude ??

  • 20 Conaldo (The Wizard) // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:06 PM

    Tequila – who needs to pay for comedy! Or a psychology of the clinically insane lesson.

  • 21 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    Conaldo
    LOL

  • 22 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    conaldo

    i never said o wasnt happy with the win against man u,, what i said was, it was long ball football that got the 3 points, that is pardews game

    you can be as unhappy with me and few others as much as you like, but its pardew that is killing YOUR TEAM, NOT ME

    wake up you fool

  • 23 blew // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    This ‘mediocre’ West Ham side are 5th in the PL.
    The midfield has not functioned again, which suggests it is imbalanced. Jonas is useless and would struggle at any level of English football, but he is an AP favourite., I would go as far as to say if AP had a straightforward choice between him and Messi, I think Lionel would be on the bench.

  • 24 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:09 PM

    the players have stopped playing for pardew,,

  • 25 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:10 PM

    Did someone mention the clinically insane? Good, I’m not late then….

    Missed the game today, looks like that was a stroke of luck.

    Anything constructive out there? Let’s just assume we all know it’s all Pardews fault, he hasn’t got a clue and is getting fired, blah blah, anything else to report?

    Finally, what’s this about Beattie returning? Which Beattie was it, medicated or not?

  • 26 tequilamag // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    Conaldo. It does have it`s comedy value. It`s the glee with which defeat is greeted by some I find disturbing. Some people find it so important that their views are validated that they would rather lose just so they can scream Look I told you so.

  • 27 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    blew

    your right,,

    messi will not track back
    lmao

    and ppl like conaldo would still back pardew

  • 28 davis_toons // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    Swansea is a good team, with not many stars in them but they pass well and keep the ball well.

    Are we hoping to win them by free kicks, set-pieces, corner kick, or penalty?

  • 29 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    Pardews killing the team?

    I know better than coming on here game day.

  • 30 IFC.Toon // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    We have officially have Europa-League-Syndrome, I have said it loads but I am sure Ben Arfa is a complete waste out wide. Give him the no.10 role. Two strikers is outdated in the prem.

  • 31 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    The Pardew out crew never ever suggest a replacement lol

    If you could suggest a better replacement,I might agree with you… 😉

  • 32 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:13 PM

    Conaldo

    I like your posts and think you offer a lot to the blog.

    But surely you cannot be happy with this season.

    I’m not on for jumping to conclusions and I think a manager should be judges season to season, no snap decisions to a few bad results.

    But do you not think that this season we have played some terrible stuff and scraped points with hard work, not skill.

    Our starting 11 is surely as good as evertons and they play some brilliant, fluent stuff.

    Pardew isn’t clueless from what I can see, he just seems cautious and I cannot put my finger on why.

    With the talent n our squad he should be sending them out to dominate and win games. He has some big decisions to make soon with a few top players under performing.

  • 33 tequilamag // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:13 PM

    Evening Ibiza, missed a pretty awful game to be fair. But yeah your pretty much bang on with the reactions.

  • 34 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:14 PM

    I heard Mourinho was available??

  • 35 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:15 PM

    Ibiza
    All there is to say is that was a truly dismal display today mate fo yourself a favour and dont watch any highlights there painful!
    Sacking pards seems to be the war cry but seems drastically OTT personally think the players have more to answer for than the coaching staff today

  • 36 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:15 PM

    Belfast….It’s funny that, isn’t it? Seems it’s easier to just whinge about things.

  • 37 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:16 PM

    Tequila

    In fairness to these fans who scream look i told you so……..

    …I would say they are not happy with the defeat, they would much rather be proved wrong.

    The defeat and general performance of the team this season goes some way to vindicating their argument.

    I’m sure if pardew got the team playing fluent attacking football and winning games at a canter you would say “we told you so”

  • 38 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:16 PM

    tequilamag

    its not about being vindicated, not at all,

    i hate it when my/our team loses, but some find it hard to point the finger of blame, when, its there for all to see, he has the team playing shit football, yet some chose to look at the table and point out we are 4 points of europe,,, get real ppl, we will finish bottom half

    but the players we have i think can get us in the top 5 with the right manager

  • 39 toonLYF // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:18 PM

    Ibiza – for what it’s worth, my take on things today.

    toonLYF // Nov 11, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    don’t usually like to criticise, but after a showing like that i can’t even begin to put a slightly positive spin on things. We were completely dismantled in the centre of the pitch, Diame controlled the game, and Jonas, Cabaye and Anita are at entire fault for that.

    We have players not performing all over the pitch at the moment and it’s causing other players to wander in attempt to try and cover – however, in effect it’s just leaving us looking like a disjointed//disorganised team who can’t even put 3 decent passes together.

    This persevering has to stop now. I want to see players dropped on Saturday, with some fresh legs in the XI.

    Oh and some pass//move drills in training wouldn’t go a miss, cause our lads looked like a bunch of 11 year olds today minus Ben Arfa and Ba.

  • 40 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:18 PM

    martinez
    jol
    clarkie

    there is 3 names

    all will have us playing football

  • 41 nickfish90 // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:18 PM

    I very rarely single anybody out, but i’m afraid to say that Catchy in Norway needs to get a life.

    Every time i come on here its negative post after negative post, and is always flamboyant and overjoyed when we lose a game – are you a Mackem?

    Cheer up, get behind your team, and post something constructive in the future rather than constantly slating everyone at the club.

  • 42 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:18 PM

    Why does this blog always descend into the same argument.

    If anyone is positive about anything they are accused of treating pardew/ashley like a god.

    if they criticize anything they are accused of not being a real fan.

    This is a blog to discuss the negative and positive aspects of the club.

    Everyone has a right to an opinion as long as they aren’t stating it as a fact just have a debate or if you think the other person is just making things up don’t bother with them and engage with people you do like and respect.

  • 43 woodsee // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:19 PM

    Im worried because nearly every game we dont seem motivated or interested especially in the first half,and it seems to take an opposing goal to get us started.This isnt a one off so its got to be down to the management

  • 44 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:19 PM

    fishsticks

    i could not give a flying foook what you think

    good day sir

  • 45 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:19 PM

    Im far from happy with this season too.

    But I put it down to the lack of investment in the summer transfer window,Rather than it being all Pardew’s fault.

    If they had of backed him in the summer,we would have a better team,in my humble opinion.

  • 46 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    All I need to know is do I need to jump off my fence quite yet? If so, do I reach for my pitchfork or daffodil?

    Belfast…..Pep? I think he’s out of work.

  • 47 Conaldo (The Wizard) // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    Transfer – of course I’m not happy with the season so far. However I believe there is a reason for it, we’ll several reasons. I haven’t the time to go in to it as I actually must go now, but I think we can turn it round, and we need stability.
    As the saying goes, form is temporary, class is permanent. We have some really high class players. It will come good, people just need to believe, be patient and support the team win lose or draw

    Anyway I have to go.

  • 48 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    fish head

    do we have a team right now,, i dont see a one,, 11 players on a pitch with no direction

    you have a go at me for being negative, and yet that guy who gets paid millions to run the club, is the most negative man we have ever had, and you like him,,

    its u that needs a life

  • 49 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:22 PM

    Belfast

    You can put it down to summer dealings if you wish, that would have helped, of course it would but at the same time look at teams around us.

    West brom barely spent, everton the same, these teams are not just above us but are rightfully above us.

    The payers we have we should be doing much more.

    Europe can’t be a huge factor either as we usually make 8/9 changes for those games.

  • 50 seancavaz // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:22 PM

    The issue I have with the lads ATM is the route one approach. To many long balls that are aimless! Ben Arfa ended up having to take the ball in his own half and pass four to five men and then looked for the pass. Other then that he wouldn’t get a touch coz the ball was going over his head! Why have the likes of benny and Cabaye in the side if we ain’t Ganna pass through them? If we can start to play through the midfield rather then by pass them then maybe we will see us getting hold of games and find that penetrating pass or run, because Simmo willo and Saylor can’t find a 50-60 yard pass

  • 51 davis_toons // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    diego simeone – a good coach that can get AT Madrid play good and football.

    Player on the ball will always find team-mates to pass, with different option as well.

  • 52 tequilamag // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    TS it was a pretty poor performance even by the mediocre form we have shown this season. But it`s like a white noise of hate on here after a defeat. Seems like a weird way to support your team imo. People are very quick to jump on an easy fix and I don`t think football works like that. Would sacking the manager after a poor performance really make things better? To put it in perspective a win today would have put us seventh. It`s normal to be unhappy with a defeat I dont think it`s a normal reaction to go so over the top. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but all teams have poor runs of form at some time .

  • 53 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    We can pick this up another time Conaldo…be good to hear your thoughts.

    I am always support the lads when at the game and only criticize here as it’s nice to share thoughts.

  • 54 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    Martinez
    Always in a relegation battle
    Jol
    Lol
    Clarkie
    Have you seen brum this season?
    Clarke@WBA
    Behave
    Redknapp
    Needs millions and million and millions window after window
    Moyes
    Decent but would be a sidesteo couldnt see him coming

    Looks like belfasts right
    Mourinho but also heard pep guardiola is available im sure they would both jump at the chance to work at a club with limited funds!

  • 55 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    BelfastMagpie

    lack of investment???

    really is that why the players arnt playing well,, they want to be replaced,

    its a squad full of top internationals,,

    its pardews job to get them ready for the match

    if he can not get them ready,, should he be the boss??

    if the players are not doing it for him,, try other players in the squad,,

  • 56 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:26 PM

    LYF….Cheers, seems a likely honest assessment. To be honest, apart from flashes here and there, none of the players have really looked the business this season. Even Krul and Colo have looked occasionally shaky.

    No idea what it’s down to, I personally don’t think it’s the lack of incoming players, but could be wrong. All the players seem to say the right things, they’re happy, love Pardew, etc etc. Don’t know what is up, maybe as you say, they don’t feel lack of performance will get them dropped.

    Incidentally, how did young Fergie do out on the LW with a start?

  • 57 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:27 PM

    Thank you Catchy at last 😉

    Martinez: Wouldn’t leave Wigan for Liverpool,so I doubt he would join us.
    Plus Dave Whelan hates Ashley.

    Jol: One of Hughton’s best friends and correct me if im wrong??
    Wasn’t Intrested in the job when we sacked Chris??

    Steve Clarke. Maybe he would be interested,not sure. First managers job & he’s doing great,Couldn’t really see him jumping ship,if im honest mate.

  • 58 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:28 PM

    Tequila
    Woah woah woah hang on
    You mean normal teams dont sack there manager after a bad result?

  • 59 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:28 PM

    tequila

    I certainly am not calling for pardews head (not implying you accuse me of that) just that I want him to learn.

    Do I think a better manager would improve us…yes…do I think we would get a significantly better manager if we got rid of Pardew…probably not.

    I want pardew to start to drop under performing players, soon need a harsh wake up call as they are not good enough.

    Is the long ball stuff krul/simmo/willo’s fault? not in my opinion.

    I see them all look up for the pass and what do they say…nothing….none of our players are currently wanting the ball except ben arfa who ends up dripping too deep to get it.

    I think by sticking an extra man in midfield it gives the defence more options and makes it far easy to retain possession.

    Pardew can say all he wants about us having 9 shots on goal today but most of them were not good chances, just hit and hope from a distance.

  • 60 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    BelfastMagpie

    i caould go on with names, but you could give me reasons why they would not or should not take the job,, its pointless,

    but even you must see his brand of football is not good, and for me,, needs a lot of luck to get points

  • 61 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    I think the sane people on here are not calling for Pardew’s head but think that we should be playing allot better with the caliber of players we have in the squad. Is that not a fair assessment. I also think the overly positive people can be just as bad as the neggars on here IMO

  • 62 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:32 PM

    Tequila @52…Well said.

    Look, at the end of the day Pardew is paid to be the manager, so us as fans and the players will look to him, he isn’t faultless. However, as Tequila says, all teams will hit bad form. A win today and we’d be looking in decent shape in both the PL and EL.

    I think the issue here is bigger though, some seem to be saying they haven’t been happy watching us since Pardew arrived…at all. Not really sure what to say to that, as I’m pretty sure Pardew and the team were getting praise from all sorts of corners of the footballing world, not just us fans – must be something in it….oh sorry, I forgot, it was just luck.

    Right, getting wound up. I am off. Happy posting everyone.

  • 63 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:32 PM

    Ibiza

    Fergie was ok…..not many chances to get at his fullback and put in the ball.

    His delivery was mixed for me, a couple decent balls but with only 1/2 in the box its hard to get right.

    He sometimes looked a little lost I thought but it’s early in his senior football at the club and also the team as a whole had a shocker so not a lot he could do really.

  • 64 Dannyo // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    Surely this calls for a bit more drastic moves by AP?
    We all know he can do better, and he should know that too. But it’s time vary the team a bit more in the league too.
    Playing the same type of players as last season makes you predictable.
    And get off the god awful 4-4-2.
    Also, stop making players happy and start making supporters happy.

  • 65 davis_toons // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:34 PM

    8 years contract was a long one…

  • 66 tequilamag // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    TS not suggesting for a moment that that was your view mate

  • 67 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    Catchy

    I said weeks ago we play the worst football in the league at the moment.

    I’m just being honest mate,Ashleys name is muck in the managers world,in my opinion anway. (could be wrong)

    We dont have the big transfer budgets anymore,that would of maybe tempted a top manager in the past.

    I just dont see any good manager like Moyes,or who ever else working for Ashleys’ mob.

  • 68 stuart no9 // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    belfast @31 ” a replacement for pardew” whos out of work?

  • 69 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:36 PM

    catchy

    I think saying he needs luck is a bit disrespectful.

    Luck can get you points over the course of 5-10 games.

    Pardew got us a good points tally in the whole of last season.

    Yes AVB ruined chelsea so we finished above them but we still had to take the chance.

    I don’t think we are lucky we are just defensive.

    Our players seem to all sit behind the ball, we are difficult to break down and when we are we have a good keeper who saves well most of the time.

    We created few chances but we had good finishes who can take a half chance and score it.

  • 70 seancavaz // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:36 PM

    How much better a manager? Maybes one who’s won LMA Manager of the year? O wait…..

    Other then what I’ve posted earlier about playing through the midfield rather then over their heads, I felt this season was always gonna be a reality check for us all, throw in Europe and it was gonna be a challenge. I’m disappointed like the rest, if we can somehow regain that confidence to play the ball through the midfield rather then the long ball, which yeah will work if we could aim (maybe line up a few birds from the bigg market and see if any of them can hit them with a ball from 50 yards) then we will be fine.

    Trust

  • 71 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:38 PM

    I don’t think our transfer budget is as bad as people make out.

    its not like man utd, city, chelsea, arsenal, spurs but its on par with everton, west brom, swansea, all teams around us really.

  • 72 ash1001 // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    ED, you are been far to kind to Pardew, he has totally lost it and has been found out in just about every game this season, you watch it on TV we see it for real is it a different view, -yes it is. We see players when they have not got the ball just standing around, no movement or anything like that. Give the ball to Ben Arfa and ‘we will all watch’, seems to be the plan. On today’s performance only 3 players were worth a mention Krul, Stanton, and Ben Arfa. and possibly Demba Ba. The rest struggled all the game, some are so far been off Premiership level, they should be discarded.
    Posters on here may say I am not a supporter but as a 73 year old I have now been a season ticket holder for over 50 years so that I think gives me the right to see it as I do, and do not have to cast my mind back to far i.e Shearer, Ferdinand, Lee, Beardsley etc to see how far we have slumped. Even on a bad day the effort and running was there, which its not now, that’s down to Pardew.
    Things are far from good and its no good papering over the cracks.

  • 73 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    Dannyo

    442 does work…just not for our players.

    man utd do it well with rooney and rvp up top.

    they do however have players like valencia and young on the wings who can beat a man and deliver a good ball.

    they also have 2 full backs who both get forward to support the attack

  • 74 tequilamag // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    BPC I dont think anyone pro or anti Pardew has said we played well today. Difference comes down to proportionate the reaction is to a defeat. It happens mate but it`s a long season and still a hell of a lot to play for.

  • 75 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:43 PM

    tequila

    i know you didnt suggest it…i just wanted to make it clear i wasnt having a go at you.

    But I will say in fairness to posters like catchy he is not just reacting to today…..he is reacting to what he has seen all season and what he has seen since pardew arrived.

    whether we agree or not with him at least he has thought his post through and balanced it over the 2 years pards has been here

  • 76 North Atlantic Magpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:47 PM

    A home team is attacking, the away team is looking for the breaks.

    Looking for breaks at home, shame on you Pardew.

  • 77 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:48 PM

    Goodnight ladies off to watch the Psg match on espn.. 😉

  • 78 tequilamag // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:49 PM

    TS fair enough mate, my stance on this is I have been going to SJP since 75 and have seen it much much worse than we have it now. Don`t have rose tinted spectacles on and concede the football has been pretty dire at times this season. Catchy is entitled to his view but I have seen all this before, fans get up in arms the board panics and brings somebody else in and it rarely improves .

  • 79 sirtoongospel // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    We lack direction at the minute. A real leader to drive us forward is missing. But we can improve. I am sure we can reel in 2 or 3 teams above us and finish top 7. We can do it. Hopefully we can invest in January. 2 players in could make a huge difference.

  • 80 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    transfer spending in the summer

    club spend net spend
    newc 8.1mil 3.1 mil
    evert 14mil -4.8mil
    wba 3.5mil 1.5mil

    so looking at that there isn’t a huge difference

    so the lack of money argument doesn’t fly with me

    it’s an argument as to why teams like spurs, man city, man utd, chelsea are so far ahead but it’s not an argument as to why those teams i stated are playing such better football

    source: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/

  • 81 Gudmundsson // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    We didnt deserve a win out of this game. Anita, Williamson and Obertan dont belong in PL. I can’t understand why Pardew picks Anita ower Bigi. Obertan ower Marv. But it showed the real team quality today compared to other PL teams. We need new faces in jan or we will not get top 10.

    Ok Anita scored 1 goal last game and Obertan game before but Anita is useless and so is Obertan.

  • 82 nimo // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    can someone tell me how its pardews fault that cisse decides to shoot from nearly the half way line week in week out.. he could of ran into the box and finished today but chose to have a 40yard shot… all these saying hes a great finisher hes not.. how many simple finishes has he put away for us,, not saying hes a poor player just more a good player playing poorly,

  • 83 nimo // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:53 PM

    to say anita is useless is a joke of a comment hes only played 7 prem games and people getting on his back.. your probably the same people who slated enrique and collo off first season, enough said

  • 84 davis_toons // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:53 PM

    The team should be making runs for one another. In order for movement to form.

  • 85 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:54 PM

    Sirtoongospel
    On or off the pitch mate? Because we desperatly need one on the pitch imo

  • 86 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:54 PM

    jesus catchy from norway your as infuriating as that commentator 2day! are you enjoying this loss cause it certainly seems so you c*@t!
    i believe we’ve got a full first team that can challenge the top 4 but how often have we had that available?
    we’ve played wat? 18 – 19 games this season and lost 4!!! wat a terrible manager and team we’ve got get real FFS!!

  • 87 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:56 PM

    tequila

    difference is with this board is they wont panic.

    Sacking a manager costs a lot of money when he has an 8 year contract, unless the stadium empty’s and costs the club too much in gate receipts I cant see pardew going.

    So love or hate him he is here to stay I think.

    And yeh I remember us playing some terrible stuff under people like souness and dalglish.

    I’m not overly concerned with pardew as it stands, I think he makes strange decisions at times and I would like us to attack more but this defensive brand of football did get us to 5th.

    Look at chelsea last year……di matteo had them playing some dire, defensive football but it won them the champs league….fans might not have enjoyed the mtach but I bet they enjoyed the cup….and in 20 years time they will never remember the style of play they will remember drogba scoring that penalty to lift the cup.

    I know we probably wont win anything, it would be difficult, but if the team consistently finishes in a good spot in the league then it’s job done for pardew even if it bores the pants off us.

  • 88 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM

    and transfer sage are you seriously sticking up for catchy he was saying the same last season when we finished 5TH!!!!

  • 89 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM

    Nimo
    Maybe he has the same contract as martins had!

    Gudmundsson
    Anita is not shit mate hes adjusting to a new league santon took a good half a season to settle

  • 90 sirtoongospel // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM

    Tequila, agree with you completely. We were poor, and haven’t really fired this season, but anyone who watched us regularly under Charlton and even Jim Smith to an extent will know that we have played some truly awful stuff.

    Things are a bit disjointed at the minute. But if you want cheering up, look at the filthy mackems!!! Lol.

  • 91 nickfish90 // Nov 11, 2012 at 7:59 PM

    Catchy, i will apologise for my original remark that you need to get a life – i appreciate that it is just your opinion that you’re expressing and you’re entitled to that.

    I just think more constructive posts wouldn’t go amiss rather than just moaning non stop. It gets a bit boring after a while.

    Were you happy with last season by the way?

  • 92 tequilamag // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:00 PM

    Sirtoon, i remember Jack Charlton being furious with Pedro after the final whistle when he had just scored because Jack had wanted him to play time out in the corner. Still makes me shudder

  • 93 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:00 PM

    I know it sounds illogical in a way but here me out.

    I watch football to be entertained.

    i enjoy a good performance as much as a win.

    So if we get a scrappy win I am happy.

    But if we play some brilliant stuff and lose 3-2 I can enjoy that, I’m a football fan as well as a newcastle fan.

    Arsenal fans may always complain but they see champs league every year and they watch some brilliant players, trophy is the icing on the cake for me, the performance is the cake.

    both would be ideal but I enjoy to watch my football played well not just a hoofed 1-0 win.

    I’m not saying that is all we do….but I think we do it too much.

  • 94 santonthenewmaldini // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:01 PM

    I said on here a day or 2 ago that Big Sam would be prepared for us and West Ham would win with minimum fuss and i was proved right unfortunately!!!

    When i seen the team defense to midfield looked good and then Ba and Cisse up front again????

    Cisse is playing dire right now he needs to be dropped and we need a 5 man midfield with Arfa in the middle and Obertan/Sammy and Fergy on the wings!

    Also on Carroll hope we never bring him back he looks a shadow of the player we have Nolan looked dangerous in our box would kill for us to have that fox in the box in the team!!

    Diame looked fantastic he is EXACTLY what our midfield needs wins the ball and then drives with it i mean Tiote will win the ball but he never really does anything offensively hope we do get Sissoko or a similar player in January

    I know its not cool to see a player get injured but Jonas going off for a couple of weeks could be a good thing for us as it will mean we might have to try something new

    Same with a defeat we have been riding our luck all season and this defeat may make him have a serious look and make some changes heres hoping!!

  • 95 Gudmundsson // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:02 PM

    All the games Anita has played he is just useless gives away the ball to easy and in defencive way he is not good enough. Bigi is ALOT better. He has not gotten as many games as Anita but he shows alot more class in his passing and keeping the ball and not giving it away.

    And we need too look at the attack there are only 2 men in the box when we are attacking all others just stay back. When we are 0-1 behind we need to get guys in the box to score not just pray the HBA will show us magic

  • 96 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    manxpie

    I am sticking up for catchy.

    It depends what you watch football for. Do you watch it just for your team to win or to be entertained.

    Catchy obviously wants to win but also wants to see his team play the way they are capable.

    He has every right to say that he thinks a different manager could get more out of the team.

    It may not be everyone’s cup of team but can we all honestly say that if pep guardiola or jose mourinho offered to take over we wouldn’t want it?

    I know thats the extreme example bu obviously there will be a middle ground somewhere.

    I personally like pardew I just want it to click for him and for him to get the best out of the team.

    none of us know what he deals with behind the scenes and in training….maybe the players we all scream to get starts just dont put in the effort or have an attitude problem…we simply dont know.

  • 97 Gudmundsson // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    Sorry for the negativity just all worked up since watching this dissaster of a game.

    on the bright side Santon is the best player by far this season. he is just fantastic got to love him

  • 98 sirtoongospel // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    Toonarmydownsouth – on the pitch mate. Every team we have played has a player who wins the ball and bursts forward, and then releases a pass. We have cabaye who is a pass master, and Cheick tackles, but we miss a bit of drive. Maybe if we had a rapid striker to use as an option, then we could mix things up better. But as it stands we are very static and other teams seem to be able to work us out. Personally, a bid for Walcott would suit us perfectly, but we wouldn’t pay his wages. The fee won’t be much as his contract is almost up, but we wouldn’t pay him what he wanted. Pity as he has what we lack and could be a great striker.

  • 99 djbigjefflmag // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    These things happen just because we got a top 5 finish last season does not mean we will do it again points wise apart from the top 5 we are only a game or so from the same position. It was always going to be one of those games having nolan and carroll back at Newcastle but its not the end of the world too many knives come out as soon as we lose. Playing on two mny be three fronts FA cup coming we may not have the depth to cope but at least its not relegation

  • 100 boater // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:07 PM

    Gidmunsonn… Anita is a dutch international and product of the ajax youth system who we just spent £7m on. That’s why he’s playing over a rookie who has 25 starts in the championship to his name.

    We are terrible in the league. We’re just waiting for things too happen. Cisse isn’t banging in stunners like last season but we create so little chances it’s depressing…and obviously started to affect his form. Goals from thin air last season papered over the cracks but without them our lack of midfield control and creativity is being exposed.

    Still need to give Pards our backing to turn it around.

  • 101 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:08 PM

    Gudmundsson

    Bigi has come from the championship, fast paced, english type of game and he played in a terrible team so is used to being on the backfoot.

    Anita came from a dominant team in a country where you have more time on the ball. Ajax have players which move and create options. he has come into a team in a handful of games and we have played poor, he doesn’t have the options he is used to so it will take time for him to settle

  • 102 NewcastleMole // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:09 PM

    Pardew sets his team to be disciplined. The problem with this tactic is that it stifles creativity and attacking flair. We live on the hope that we’ll score via counter attacking, set-pieces or pot shots.

    My view on the 8 year deal pardew got which is being mentioned on here. People will say its brilliant we’re focused on a long term plan and will allow the manager to manage the team. On the flipside an 8 year deal allows managers to take their foot off the gas so to speak. There isnt the fear of losing their job. And the fear is what drives managers. Either way it’s highly unlikely he will see out 8 years.

  • 103 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    sirtoon

    I know what you mean.

    with tiote breaking up play and cabaye passing and shooting we just lack that player all good teams have had.

    We need a viera, a yaya toure, a gerrard, a player that can drive forward with the ball and open up the game.

  • 104 jasper // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:11 PM

    Went to the game. Positives. Santon and Fergie down the left and our attacking the byline more than in most games this year.
    Negatives. The gaping hole where and advanced midfielder should be. A glaring deficit all season long. Long balls to Cisse and Ba, neither of whom can get the ball down under pressure. And if they do neither passes to the other and as there isn’t an ACM or winger anywhere near they lose it.
    I’d like to know how many times we worked the ball from Krul or a CB up to their area on the ground – perhaps on the fingers of one hand?
    I don’t like bashing players but when comparing Obertan to Fergie the former looked woeful. With Fergie one had a strong sense that he would make something happen, that he knew what to do. Obertan just brings the phrase blind alley to mind.
    But it is the absence of anyone in the hoe tat is the problem. Either to get into the space between defence and midfield and pass into the channels or to break into the area – when have we seen any midfielder get into the position that Nolan did today for the one he sliced wide?
    The ACM hole means that when our LNG balls are pumped forward and the ball is headed out by the defence it invariably falls to an opposition midfielder under no pressure.
    It is also striking how infrequently one sees even two or three first touch passes – such as Swansea will demonstrate and WBA did so well. What do they do on the training ground?
    I am starting to get worried by the lack of willingness to make themselves available for the ball, especially on our throw in when we seem to loose the ball more than we retain it. Shades of the relegation season.
    Anita made some mistakes – like when he took on Diame and lost – but he needs much more match time. I think he will come good. Indeed I would be tempted to drop a striker and move him forward into ACM and go 4-5-1.

  • 105 sirtoongospel // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    Tequila! Lol that’s right! Bloody hell he was a nightmare! Sucked the life out of me ha ha ha ha ha!!

    Remember everyone that this is the “bounce” season that experts said we would be found out in. It’s up for us to find a new level. But we can do it. Top 10 is no disaster and I still think we can reel some in and get top 7.

  • 106 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:14 PM

    jasper

    got the same review as you but i only saw it on tv.

    What I will say is that when west ham go long to carroll they usually have nolan, vaz te and jarvis around him to give the ball too.

    If we are going to insist on going long we need shola on the pitch and to get the midfield another 20 yards up the pitch to win the second ball

  • 107 Rotonda heights // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:17 PM

    Nimo

    because the way we are playing cisse has no confidence at the moment

  • 108 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:18 PM

    transfersage you talk about middle ground but stick up for catchy who has never EVER had any middle ground!
    so are you blaming 2days performance on pardew coz wat i watched was cabaye (arguably our best mf) having an absolute shocker, cisse (a £9mill player who took the pl by storm last season) have an absolute shocker, fergie (1 off our most promising youngsters who most posters on here wanted to start) had shocking deliveries and ben arfa (easily one of our best players) again a shocking game!
    so who would you have started instead of these players who pardew obviosly should have known would have had stinkers!
    again i’ll say we’ve lost 4 games all season but again fans think they know so much better!!

  • 109 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:21 PM

    nickfish

    no,, i was not happy with last season, 5th was great, but the football was nearly as bad

    i also felt he panicked in jan, when BA/tiote left us, he went really defensive,

    i feel he says one thing, building players up, then plays them not to there strengths,,, he is a very strange manager,,

    and i believe not just other managers have figured him out,, but also lots of fans have to,, but there some fans that will not back track,

    now just for the record, i did not like Chris H at firsrt, but he did win me over, we where never going to win the league, but i could see what his teams where trying to do, a lot off long ball football, but barton on the right and jonas on the left, nolan coming from midfield, there was some football,

    now we dont have anything, the players look clueless, and i will repeat myself,, this is all pardew

  • 110 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    Manx

    Our players have had shockers all season. How many games have we dominated in the premier league this season.

    I have said since the game my view on today.

    It is a combination of us playing a formation which does not suit the players and top internationals not managing to make a simple 5 yard pass.

    We can’t give pardew the praise for last year but no criticism when we do badly.

    It’s a two way street. Either this mess is all down to the players and last seasons success was all the players doing and not Pardews.

    Or what I think that our poor performances (results have been ok) are a combination between pardew and the players.

    It is both faults in my view, can’t put all the blame on one.

  • 111 Rotonda heights // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    It’s funny people used to say allardyce would play better football with better technical players when he was here. But he never did. What’s to say with more technical defenders pardew will change.

    Pardew is basically a 442 long ball man
    and will sacrifice good passing football and flair for grafters and route 1 hoof ball every time.
    Pardew has shown nothing to suggest he will change whatsoever.

  • 112 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    oh and them 4 games we lost was chelsea, man u n west ham lets all slit our wrists!

  • 113 Ashton // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:24 PM

    “We have had nine efforts on goal today and that’s enough for two goals really ”

    This just shows how negative and clueless he is. He is just implying that we were unlucky today. And the reason we lost was because our shots “lacked quality”. He is implying that attacking wise we did enough and is quite content with nine efforts on goal!!
    This guy is a moron and is not fit enough to manage the players we have.

    We got totally dominated in every aspect of the game by an inferior team managed by fatSam in front of our own fans. We deserved nothing from that game because your whole tactics were wrong you mumbling idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 114 yorkymag // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:25 PM

    Let’s face it we were absolute crap today from back to front same a west brom some as Aston villa same a man u same as Everton we are very lucky to have the points we have.
    Worst of of the great mr Carr/ pardew who ever buys plays has dropped a b…….. With Anita ,by the way is he purple ,7 million he isn’t worth it and to be ever so naughty not as god as Danny guthrie who would have done a job in central mid today.but he is English after all
    Can anyone explain why obertan runs the wron way? He always looks like a scared rabbit
    But most of all when will Pardew the t…. Realise Ba and Cisse are not able to play together

  • 115 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:26 PM

    Manx

    I’m not complaining about results only.

    The performances have all been scrappy.

    That’s fine if that’s what you have but we have players capable of playing better. The system we use means we are often overran in midfield.

    And when we aren’t its because both tiote and cabaye both end up defending and we lose cabayes main threat which is in the opponents final third as we say at Liverpool.

    He just doesn’t get the chance to get their often enough

  • 116 Matt // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:27 PM

    We have the player to drive forward in Ben arfa if we were to play him behind the strikers and not on the wing we need wingers who get ball in box and a striker with pace seydou doumbia would be perfect

  • 117 Matt // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    We have the player to drive forward in Ben arfa if we were to play him behind the strikers and not on the wing we need wingers who get ball in box a striker with pace seydou doumbia would be perfect

  • 118 Conaldo (The Wizard) // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:29 PM

    Can’t stay to chat.
    Without sounding like Kets, in January, I’d like to see
    Sissokho, Debuchy, and possibly a young powerful cb (I’m not sold on Douglas).
    These can really take us up a notch.
    We lack the box to box midfielder in our game.

    Sisokho will be cheap, Debuchy is unhappy at Lille.

  • 119 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    well transfersage thats exactly wat i’ve been saying but my point was about catchy blaming pardew lol and continuiosly !
    but again i’ll say we havent had our full 1st team for most of the season so ofcourse thats gonna effect the way we play!
    under the FULL cercumstances i think we’ve done pretty f@ckin well
    just read catchy’s comments above your last post to see why i question his oppinion?

  • 120 magfly // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:31 PM

    Pardew here to stay but the pressure may start to build in the coming weeks he is a top manager and will come through rough patch

  • 121 Barras // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    I sound like a poor fan for saying this but Newcastle United have become so stagnant. I have not been excited by one of our performances this year. We play hoof-ball. I could not see the difference in how we play football in comparison to how West Ham play, apart from we are less dirty with our challenges.

    We have players who are superb at keeping the ball, players who are inventive, deadly and inventive such as Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Ba, and yet you can tell that our manager is telling our players to play hoof-ball starting from the back.

    Main culprits = Krul, S.Taylor, Williamson, D.Simpson, Gutierrez, Cisse etc, but yet Santon, Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Ba and others also do it regularly, I believe its because Pardew is telling them to?

    If so then how have we progressed as a team from the days of ‘Big Sam’? We have much better individuals but yet we play in the same stagnant style.

  • 122 Peter // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:34 PM

    pardew doesnt know how to construct tactics for 2 games a week but we are still in and around the top 8 about to qualify to the stages in europe.
    once we start winning games in premier league we will be laughing and destroying teams comfortably and I’m confident we will have a couple 5-0 wins soon 😛
    All that is needed is pardew to bring back 4-3-3 😉

  • 123 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    Manx

    I don’t agree with catchy that its all Pardews fault.

    But I don’t mind him saying it. He has got some good points.

    And ultimately the manager is responsible for the team. He is the one who’s head is on the line when things go wrong.

    What I want is just for him to try something different.

    From what I have seen we haven’t controlled a single prem league game this year. We have battles our way through them all.

    In Europe he uses a different system and players and I would like him to give maybe a couple of them a bigger chance in the league.

    11 league games is enough for the current lot to have got back into it, they maybe need dropping just to give them the drive to get back into the side.

  • 124 colwell // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:36 PM

    IMO the reason we are so poor is down to the fact our team/squad isn’t that good. Most of us think our players are better than they actually are.

    This season was perfect to build on last years success, improve on the areas we are weaker in. Down to MA it never happened while all others improved their squads it was obvious we wouldn’t see the heights of last season.

    Then Pards/Carver WTF do they do at training? I can imagine 1 touch passing and moving and set plays are never thought of. Surely we would work on players weaknesses eg Simmo backing off, Willo hoofing the ball endlessly, but no we just seem to be stuck playing the same football.

  • 125 Barras // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:36 PM

    And the worst thing about that is when I think about potential signings I then realise, hold on a minute, if we do sign someone, they are going to have to fit into our lethargic style of football. I just don’t understand it, we have skill, we have pace, we have superb passers of the ball (Cabaye is one of the best in the world at the minute for this), yet we play in a style which lower clubs do because they cannot afford the type of players that we have. We are ruining talent. I feel so sorry for players like Coloccinni, Cabaye and Ben Arfa (and a few others) at the moment.

  • 126 Rotonda heights // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:38 PM

    conaldo

    sorry for slagging off YOUR team ffs!!

    If you are really happy with the way we are playing and have been playing then you are very easily satisfied and maybe you don’t get the disappointment and anger in all the other comments on here. But maybe they aren’t REAL fans like you either!

    Calling people p…ks from behind your keyboard just because they have a different opinion to you doesn’t show you in a very good light does it?

  • 127 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:40 PM

    Colwell

    Our players are pretty good.

    Krul – one of best keepers in league

    Colo- very good
    Ben arfa- real talent just lacks consistency
    Cabaye- compare to xavi bus pains manager and a key player on France team

    Cisse and Ba- good stickers, both score plenty

    I know we shouldn’t be competing for the title but we should be playing as well as teams like west brom and Everton

  • 128 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:41 PM

    Hi kids had a happy day? :)

    Well that was fun. This is what happens when your mainstay players are off and you start merging your tryout euro team with your PL side – you get beat by virtually the only serious attempt on goal by virtue of a fluky bit of drifting positional play by yet nother old boy. Why? because your disjointed midfield has no bite to close down and command, has no incisive pass forward, and your forwards get in each others way or position themselves too far back to anticipate the ball into the box. Fr a side which had more crosses into the box in this one game we somehow contrived not to meet up with any. heard a nugget behind me slag obertan off for being useless because his cross to the back stick found nobody, a mindless numbnut (singular) who didnt question why nobody got themselves in there to meet it. Obertan should have come on earlier his pace and es his crossing were causing them more problems than ever. HBA had a good game, kids, you just need to watch to appreciate he has nobody of equal skills to bounce off. He produced half of our credible attempts and won a few FK’s too. Anita still getting to grips but blandly useful. Saylor ok, Willo good, Santon consistently effective. A word for the total and utter slack jawed knuckle-dragger who said ferguson was no good, go away to your mackem blog you fifa nerd. More driven runs and crosses than I have seen any of our players produce for months. He should be a regular he will get better. Joans will be missed and I am sure today was the start of that just keep watching that big space forming and you will see. Cabaye is just playing nowhere with ineffective linkup with his peers in midfield. Shola was pretty good but the assumption that Timmy should stop playing it out from the back and start his aimless punting straight to AC (NOW he can do it…) was stupid. Toothless up front due to the patently nullifying effect of playing Cisse and Ba at the same time, this needs to stop now, sell one if you have to Alan.

    That being said it is pretty tough to blame the manager when the core of his team is not there, and his options are severely limited. We were poor today, beaten by an even poorer team. Never mind, its a rough patch, we are not the mackems so suck it up, act like men and cheer the lads against swansea. We will pour our fury on them I am certain.

    Howay the Lads!

  • 129 yorkymag // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    Peter
    Can i have a glass of whatever you drinking !L
    Hope you right but tiote has another ban coming soon for 5 bookings only a gam awayvandthen ten before jan a well ascafrican nations so midfield continuity is miles away last year we were Able to field the same team regularly and had a decent backnup in Guthrie ,we need to give the lad from Coventry a chance otherwise all we will see of cabaye is him chasingbtecball like a headless chicken Anita is simply not an option

  • 130 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    Apologies for the spelling in the last post

    My phone “corrected” words

  • 131 jawballsaswallwell // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:43 PM

    Alan, we were toothless and knackered and deservedly beat. I was not expecting that. Really taken by surprise by it. Shocking.

  • 132 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:43 PM

    and another point is i think fans think we are a team of man u’s and chelsea’s ilk we are not!
    people underestermate the power of playing the “big teams”
    lets face it we and most of the prem play defensive against these teams only coz of there names as big teams
    arsenal are suffering now coz i believe teams believe they can get at them they’ve lost that presence and where the same we havent got the big team presence so teams constantly try to get at us!
    so where gonna have to try twice as hard in some games as the “big teams” imo!

  • 133 colwell // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:45 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Yes mate thats why I put team/squad some of our players are very good like the ones you’ve listed.

    I watch us with my tinted glasses thinking our players are the best but talking with friends etc they can’t see what I think I do lol.

    Everton I feel have a better team atm, don’t get me wrong with a few players we would have, but it hasn’t happened.

  • 134 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    I’m afraid its looking like a lot of home truths are coming out now, and its probably about time some of the “possers” took a reality check. I’m afraid we dont play good football, despite utterances to the contrary. We didnt invest enough – so please – no more excuses from the Ashley fans. Worryingly, for whatever reason ( and this may well be Pardew’s fault ) , almost all our players are getting worse. That is odd, and unusual. Despite my best hopes that they could work together in 4-4-2, it looks like we have purchased badly in Cisse. Beautiful finisher, but cannot seem to fit this team anymore because as the Senegal team shows, he doesnt work well with Ba. Its up to Pardew to design the system and buy the personnel to fit it. Finally, it really does worry me that Pards talks about controlling the game more – this is beyond a joke. We cant control anything except the ball boys if we just hit long passes all day. I was a huge fan of Pardew but am beginning to get very concerned. Hopefully Tiote and Co will make a difference, but to be honest – I doubt it hugely as he has also regressed. At the end of the day, if you dont invest in the first team, complacency kicks in, and we failed the acid test by failing to invest – now we have about 8 players who are practically guaranteed their place. Worrying times indeed but this bad defeat has been coming for a while, and I cant see Swansea being fun, although Pardew will feel justified with his cautious defensive approach there.

  • 135 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:50 PM

    Colwell

    I don’t think Everton have a better team, they just play to their strengths….we currently aren’t.

    I would take baines, jagielka, pienaar and felani off them to start in our team.

    I imagine they would take colo, cabaye, Ba, tiote, Ben arfa, possibly santon to play RB but maybe not.

    I think the rest of our team is similar to there’s, we have 4/5/6 top players then effective others like Neville, osman, Steven Taylor, jelevic similar to our pair of forwards, players like Jonas is our Neville.

    The difference is they are getting at teams and trying to dominate the full game.

  • 136 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    oh and i nearly forgot catchy actually said that jonas’s injury was a blessing in disguise thats a really good point ain’t it sage!? jesus

  • 137 Jinky Jim // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:53 PM

    you can bring in as many new players as you like,but if AP does not change his Hoof Ball tactics we are Championship bound and that’s not the Europe one either.

  • 138 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:54 PM

    Munster

    Did you see my post earlier this thread about transfers?

    I put forward the figures and we spent less than west brom in total spend and Everton net spend.

    What I will say is that to compete near the top we need to spend more.

    But we spent a rightful amount to compete with the likes of Everton, west brom and teams around us.

  • 139 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    Manx

    It is a good point in a way.

    It’s not good we will be without him.

    It is a good thing in terms of it might give somebody else a chance as Jonas has been poor this season, although he does give his all.

  • 140 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    I dont think I will purchase any of the ‘failed to invest’ theories thank you very much. Especially seeing as mainly it was all about buying defensive players and that was not the problem at all today. Our biggest problem is not sussing that last season Ba and Cisse had stormers – why? Because they rarely played together up front or even at all. Shaky shaky wakey wakey! I doubt fielding more up and coming players would work, unless you like the idea of more excitement with your beatings. We need to ride out the injuries and take a game-by-game assessment of how our ‘new’ team can gel, but it needs to be quick before it gets demoralising.

  • 141 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:57 PM

    For those who got to the game, was our football much the same at Fat Sam’s as I suggested it would? the big man must have loved stuffing one to Ashley with his team of average Joe’s now in 5th. I was delighted when we dumped him, but Pardew has morphed into Sam II with all this long passing / long balls. Remember when we took Stoke apart last season in Stoke ? When did we decide that we should move towards their style?

  • 142 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:58 PM

    Mistake on my transfer post

    We spent more not less than west brom in total and Everton in net.

  • 143 tinytoon // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:58 PM

    Today’s performance is the worst I’ve seen in a while from the black and white. It says a lot that we are the lowest scoring team in the top 10 in the league. Teams like Fulham, Everton and West Ham, who do NOT possess talent much better than ours (most likely worse) are scoring more goals and are higher in the table than us. There needs to be more belief going forward. It is not a lack of talent as we showed last season, it is a lack of belief. Last season, when we played at home, we had the ball and attacked in waves. Even if the quality was not always there, we made up for it in effort and scored scrappy goals. This season, I have barely seen any of that. If you put enough balls in the box, with Ba and Cisse around, we will get a goal. I don’t know what the change this season is down to, but something has changed and I do not accept the Europa League as the sole reason.

  • 144 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    manxpie

    the sooner he is not playing the better it will be for the team,,

    he is not a bad player, but pardew is making him look a bad player,,

    his best position, is left wing, but i feel he is no longer the best player we have for that position

    sorry,, sometimes it takes a player to make the decision for the manager, and that is sad

  • 145 Barras // Nov 11, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    @JinkyJim

    Agreed.

  • 146 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:00 PM

    Hey Munster

    But we wont be held to ransom anymore,It’s fantastic, I love It… Haha

    That extra few quid we wouldn’t pay for Debuchy will make us top of the league,when these financial fair play rules come in.

    So It’s all good in the hood… 😉

  • 147 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    catchy is a dyed-in moaner, celebrating a mag injury? Pathetic.

    Jinky jim – ever heard of the phrase ‘level-headed’? No, didnt think so.

    Another thing. Anyone know why we are the only side in the prem that doesn’t close down when we lose the ball? Anyone?

  • 148 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    FFS I can’t be arsed arguin now well gutti was playing well today and stopped a 1 on 1 wit the keeper and put his foot in where it was gonna hurt but arfa gets praise thats why i hardly post on here anymore
    lunatics and asylum come 2 mind sometimes :)

  • 149 south coast toon // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:02 PM

    it just looks so hard, disjionted, ba and cisse just dont seem to hit it off, we,ve got alot of players out,we should have enough cover being in europe but purse has kept it in the pocket, they all need a rocket up the backside and drop the purples ie cisse if there not at it some of the others might take note, we havent played the football this team is capable of.. i dont know why just wish they played better than we are, thank god there r no west ham fans around here and when we sale a player lets make it so there not allowed to score against us lol

  • 150 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    Barras – as in EMbarrasSSING? Championship bound? Where are these people from? oh right, no nursery on sundays.

  • 151 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    1 more well said tsunki!!

  • 152 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:05 PM

    It is a really strange one the hooooooooof tactics,considering the spell off playing good football we had at one point last season..

  • 153 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:06 PM

    Manx

    At least Ben arfa tries to make something happen.

    Jonas camps in our half and defends.

    This may not be his fault, maybe pardew tell Jonas to sit in our half an defend. That could be his job he is given.

    What I want to see from the wide men is a player who attacks.

  • 154 yorkymag // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    Munster
    To be air west ham played more football than us today and the best centre forward by a mile was andy Carroll good hold up play etc .ba and Cisse in first half may as well as been west ham defenders. Cisse was awful as bad as you can imagine and Ba no much better.whilst our midfield struggled it must be frustrating when the front two give the ball back to the opposition all the time just as you have bust a gut to win the ball ,I think that is why we were better in the second half with Shola holding up and winning heads .
    I hate the long ball but believe it is a function of two poor footballing centre forwards great finishers but not great footballerss

  • 155 nico // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    I’ve been to every homw game this season, being a season ticket holder. I have to say I’m bored with watching us now. All the excitment has gone. I enjoyed the days when Carroll and Nolan played for us. Our team is crying out for an attacking midfielder who actually gets forward, like Nolan.
    And I’ve tried to give Anita the benefit of the doubt, but my patience has gone. He is rubbish.

  • 156 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    How did Carroll do today,out of interest??

    Did he get much stick??

  • 157 nico // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:10 PM

    He got some stick, not by me though. Nolan got a good reception. Wish they were both back for us

  • 158 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:12 PM

    Yea I read Nolan didn’t celebrate,so fair play to him.

    Think I’ll be giving match of the day a miss 2nite,considering the comments on here.. 😉

  • 159 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:12 PM

    Reality here – thought I’d just pop in for a couple of seconds. But for Nolans opportunistic effort, today would have passed off as a very bland Goalless draw. Anybody Noticed Fat Sam turning his awful dreary tactics against us at all? OK thats me, I’m off, continue selling HBA, Cabaye and Jonas, sacking Pardew and updating satnavs for doncaster etc.

  • 160 yorkymag // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:13 PM

    Give me Nolan and caroll anyday ahead of Ba and Cisse

  • 161 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:17 PM

    transfersage wat was jonas’s job today?
    defend in our half !
    wat was his job on the wing? to go forward but has been hampered by our problem leftback position!!
    but anyways he might be badly injured now so it doesn’t matter!
    if you can’t see where my anger has come from (and why your sticking up for someone who doesn’t answer his own challenges of oppinion) i don’t know!

  • 162 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:17 PM

    i would like to see this..

    simmo——-saylor—–saylor——santon

    ———–anita/jonas—-tiote—————-

    —ben arfa———-cabaye———sammy
    ———————Ba————————-

    I just think we could control more games with this, we would have more options to play the ball out from the defence as there is an extra man in midfield to collect the ball.

    We could then have Ba further up the field with cabaye in behind him to play through ba and the wide men as well as get himself in the box.

  • 163 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:19 PM

    Er well Nolan was OK but I doubt we would improve with him, And Carroll was unfortunately ineffective and 2 seasons ago would have destroyed Krul with that glaring chance. He got stick but not from me, personally I have let that go, I am over it.

    Nolan applauded the gallowgate and got a round of applause back, top bloke.

  • 164 yorkymag // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    Transfer sage not Anita
    Ferguson instead of sammy

  • 165 jasper // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    Belfast,
    Carroll got some half hearted boos. Want was apparent was that he had he beating of Willo in the first half and Taylor in the second. In fact they frequently dropped off him and left him to jump unopposed. As other posters have pointed out the midfield backed him up and were there for the knockdown.
    They played hoof ball with a hoof ball team and we played hoofball with an unbalanced team including two CFs who were mostly at risk of running slap bang into each other as they both want to be exactly the same place.

  • 166 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    and so you put jonas in your possible team priceless sage!

  • 167 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    manx

    stop being so defensive because somebody doesn’t agree with you, people are entitled to an opinion.

    I said on the wing jonas was a waste, i never said there was a problem with him as a DM.

    I think that we have better DM’s than him so for me he shouldn’t be playing, thats just my view.

    But santon is not a problem at left back…….he attacks and defends. That is what a full back does, he may get caught out the odd time but that is inevitable…all top full backs get caught out.

    He cant be that much of a problem seeing as he played for inter when mourinho was there and has italy caps.

    When jonas plays left mid he is shockingly bad going forward, i hate saying it as i respect him as a player, his effort cannot be questioned but his quality can.

  • 168 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:23 PM

    yorky

    i like anita, think in a 3 man midfield he might do better than a 2.

    it more about the system and not the players really.

  • 169 Jinky Jim // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:23 PM

    TSUNKI
    when you get to 99,change hands!

  • 170 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:26 PM

    manx

    if you read my posts correctly you would see that i said jonas was ok as a DM but not my preferred starting DM

    I put him in their as an option as that is what I think pardew would go with

  • 171 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:26 PM

    jasper – thanks for being the second person who can see that 😀

    I am afraid that Cisse’s lack of form is down to Ba frustrating his Positioning. I propose we (drops head preparing for salvo of half-bricks) drop Ba play him in europe and prepare to sell him. Try Obertan right and HBA just left and forward of him. Look at the beginning of last season and see how we were doing then eh eh eh?

  • 172 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:28 PM

    tsunki

    why cisse over ba?

    any reason?

    just curious as i prefer ba?

    is it the fact ba seems stroppy on the left and wont get rid of his release clause?

  • 173 drivershigh // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:29 PM

    Seems like our midfield is the problem from the comments on here, and I’m inclined to agree.
    Cabaye and Tiote are good enough (although Tiote’s cards are starting to hinder his play somewhat), and Ben Arfa will blow hot and cold but has the spark we need.
    Jonas seems to be having a bad season, maybe age and a lack of clarity regarding his role?
    Marveaux hasn’t had the game time for me to make a judgement, but I’m not sold at all on Obertan.
    Ferguson, promising but raw, similar to Sammy.
    Anita hasn’t had time to settle in, especially as he is being asked to play a range of positions.
    Abeid appears to be way down the pecking order.

    Think we need that dynamic midfielder to push on from Tiote when he wins that ball or for Cabaye to pass to. HBA might fit that role, so we’d need a right sided midfielder, but I’m gonna throw Keisuke Honda in as the type of player I can see there, although hopefully Carr has a Ligue 1 player scouted and ready to go. Maybe move HBA in there and go for Boudebouz at Sochaux?

    Also, if Jonas continues to have a bad season, we need Marveaux to have a string of games to prove himself. If not, then left midfield is another area we need to look at in January.

  • 174 Carryingcoals // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:29 PM

    hello one and all, as it’s matchday on the newcastle united blog I take it the world is about to come to an abrupt end?!

    sage

    You’re 100% right about Jonas and through skimming through posts made over the past couple of threads you make some very good points.

    I echo your formation at post 162.

    For all those who need cheering up after a poor defeat today, enjoy this snipped of entertainment…

    Ketsbaia9 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    Didn’t blame Simpson for the goal, it was Willo’s fault.

    Cabaye has had only one outstanding game and that was against Villa away. We need to sell Cabaye and Tiote and sign up Boudebouz, Sissokho and Kim Kallstrom.

  • 175 jawballsaswallwell // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:29 PM

    I had thought that the extra games in Europe had improved the depth of the squad, but based on that and recent performances I think maybe it’s simply weakening the mojo of our 1st choice 11. Our best players can handle more game time, surely. I’d like to see us play a more settled side in all competitions. That was pretty clueless stuff.

  • 176 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:30 PM

    But transfer sage, we didnt invest, and now we have no real competition for places across three quarters of the team. The club has become obsessed about finding guys like Bigi ( well done ) and Amalfitano ( I doubt he will be making a serious contribution to us to be honest ) , rather than spending a decent amount of money on 2-3 players. I’m not concerned re Anita ( mind u I wasnt there today!!) , but Pardew wasnt backed. I cant understand how we have morphed from a standard British style team to a Sam Allardyce clone. He must be laughing all the way back to London. The sad thing is, the English top flight is no great shakes, but we wont get near the top 5 again by failing to invest, despite the protestations of the happy clappies to the contrary. I have said for a long time that Ashley doesnt care that much where we end up, once we are safe and advertsing Sports Direct. Hopefully he’ll prove me wrong, but he had all summer to act, and didnt.

  • 177 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    Tsunki
    Just out of intrest why prepare to sell ba?
    Not saying sell cisse but why cant we have 2 top strikers why sell one?

  • 178 hotdog // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    Cisse or ba with hatem playing off one of them. He has to start beating players on the half way line. Get him doing it on the edge of the oppo box and watch the fireworks.

  • 179 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    jawballsaswallwell

    spurs play basically the same team in europe (only 3/4 changes) as the league and it seems to work well for them

  • 180 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:35 PM

    munster

    why do we need to spend that much?

    Everton (and to a lesser extent west brom) are both playing some good football on a very similar budget to what we have.

    The reason the current players are playing badly can’t be solely put down to a poor transfer window when everton are playing so much better with a similar standard team and similar squad depth.

  • 181 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:36 PM

    Thought Nolan would of got a decent reception.

    Carroll certainly isn’t the same player,goal scoring wise,but ideal for fat sham and the way he plays.

  • 182 Carryingcoals // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    tsunki @ post 128 – thanks, appreciated that comment.

  • 183 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    As I’m at it, I’m gonna go into negative mode. Is our much vaunted scouting and transfer system overrated?
    Obertan – No thanks
    Tiote – Getting worse and spending too much time out
    Amalfitano – I’m not jumping yet
    Gosling – Nope
    Abeid – He is alive isnt he?
    Anita – has a huge number of critics
    Cisse – Doesnt fit in much as i love him.
    Simmo – Hugely limited on the ball
    Marveaux – Liverpool made the smart move

    Sorry if thats seems a bit unfair , I’m feeling a bit dejected but that does put a whole plank of our club’s set up in a far less rosy light….

  • 184 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    munster

    that’s not me defending ashley…just saying he gets a lot of stick when in reality other clubs don’t spend a great deal either….there is only 6/7 teams in the league that spend a higher level than the rest.

  • 185 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:39 PM

    transfer you said “AT LEAST benafa tries to make something happen and jonas has camped in our half and defended and if you think jonas has not helped santon in his way into the first team then your deluded!
    and have you forgot he was playing with raylor for alot of last season!?
    again holding him back from his actual duties!
    but don’t let facts get in your way sage
    and i’m not being defensive at all i’m challenging a serial moaner which has pent up my anger over a long long time!! wher am i being defensive?

  • 186 felling mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:39 PM

    Don`t normally comment but that was piss poor today! there was nowt in the middle of the park we have Cabaye an Anita in the engine room and we just bypass them with the long ball. i`d be pissed off if i was them Pardew goes on about controlling a game more how are we supposed to do that when it just gets brayed up top to ba/shola or cisse. he needs to pick 1 striker (Ba for me) and give ben arfa a free role and play with two wingers with the three in the middle (counting ben arfa) 100% we`d be able to keep the ball better! this 8yr contract is scaring the shit out of me with what av seen this season. anyhow were all toon fans so we should probably know better.

  • 187 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:40 PM

    Transfer, we havent freshened the team up. Everton have. Dont know about Brom but I guess a new manager is like 3 new players. If you defend teh lack of investment ( and i’m not having a go at you ) , then its time we started questionning Pardew ?

  • 188 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:42 PM

    Carrying
    Evening mate are struggling as much as me to try and find some positives from today?
    Hopefully will look marginally better in the morning when the red mist has cleared!

  • 189 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:42 PM

    I would actually play Marveaux behind Ba next week,pack the midfield against them.

    They’re a much better team than West Ham,which is a worry.

  • 190 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:45 PM

    manx

    i’m not knocking jonas for helping santon and raylor

    what I am saying is he should be doing more going forward when in that role.

    it’s all well and good saying he helps defensively, but he need to do more going forward.

    That is the attitude that has us in this poor run of form. All 11 players are not in the team to defend.

    We need to let the players who play in attacking positions attack. It’s not good spending the whole game on the backfoot as we have now.

    And why make such silly comments as don’t let facts get in the way? I haven’t gone against any fact, where have a I done that?

    I am simply criticising a player who plays in an attacking position for not doing his full job which is too attack.

    We have 4 defenders and a holding midfielder to defend, the whole team does not need to defend.

  • 191 Carryingcoals // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:45 PM

    tads

    hello mate, tough to take today. Don’t want to type anything up as of yet, really downbeat after that and going ot force myself to watch MOTD2 soon.

    Let’s be honest, we have been poor this season and whatever formation we seem to play we aren’t clicking.

    Next saturday’s game is huge. Tiote to come back and save us? or red mist from him too?!

  • 192 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:46 PM

    Jinky Jim, just saw your post and my tablet powered down :( so here is my belated but technically snappy reply:

    When you get to 9, get your mam to give you a star and a smiley sticker.

    Sage/Tads = One of them must make way for the other. Why Ba? I believe Cisse is actually the more astute player currently being absolutely stifled by Ba being where he is trying to be but dropping off in deference. Ba is good, no mistake, but looking at Ba’s record of moving clubs, his preference to go where any better offer takes him, his knee which wont get any better and I think Cisse is the keeper out of the two. If its true he wont play wide left where was when Cisse was on fire last season, then that seals it. I would rather keep him in rotation with Cisse but I am certain if he wasnt first choice every week he would go of his own accord. Give Cisse a run of five games and all the idiots calling him a one-hit wonder would retreat down their holes fast.

  • 193 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:46 PM

    carrying goals can i just ask the selling cabaye was ketsbias post wasn’t it?? plz god :)

  • 194 hotdog // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:47 PM

    What happened to “buying from a position of strength” and “getting in Europe will attract better players”
    Can somebody clarify that Nolan outpaced cabeye when running for a ball into the north east corner or were my eyes deceiving me!

  • 195 Carryingcoals // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:48 PM

    Hi Belfast,

    I agree – they are a better team. Unfortunately I don’t think Marv is the answer, we can’t afford a player who could go missing in a game – which is exactly how I think it would go with Marv.

    I’d go 4-3-3 with cabs anita and tiote in the middle. HBA and Sammy either side of Ba and try and get at them as much as possible.

    It was scary how much Ba and Cisse got in eachother’s way today. They looked like complete strangers.

  • 196 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:48 PM

    Everton sold Rodwell & re invested in the team.

    Thats the difference between them and us.
    Miralles,Pienarr,Naismith and a left back.

    We dont do that.

  • 197 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:48 PM

    Carrying
    Brave man not sure i can face MOTD2 tbh cant deal with seeing fat sam being interviewed and then lawro too much for a sunday!!
    Lets hope tiote comes back with a point to prove but goes about it in the right way did someone mention he’s only a booking away from suspension??

  • 198 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:48 PM

    munster

    everton have added only one player to their starting 11 (mirralas), pienaar was there on loan since jan.

    We have added to our squad and players like sammy, fergie and bigi are there to hopefully push the first teamers.

    I am criticising pardew today as well as the current established players.

    I think we are stagnant in our play and movement, our formation doesn’t help the players either.

    I’m not jumping to a conclusion of dropping everyone or sacking the manager, i just want players and pardew to try something to freshen it up.

  • 199 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:50 PM

    Or maybe Ben Arfa behind Ba?

    Sammy on the wing?

  • 200 Carryingcoals // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:51 PM

    manx

    yes I was quoting kets, not my words!

    He wants cabaye sold and abeid to start in his place. I just thought I’d provide some light humour amongst the blog’s animosity!

    As for Cabaye, he wasn’t great at all today but he needs help in there and people he can pass the ball to. Three man midfield next week with Tiote and Anita to help him out.

  • 201 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:53 PM

    belfast

    I appreciate that about everton and accept it as an explanation but surely a manager must find other ways to freshen things up if he cant do that with transfers.

    I say what about west brom? new manager but the football they play is nice to watch.

    Its not just like they are giving a 110% for the new man, they are genuinely impressing with some football.

    I think a loan move or two would have been good, somebody like lukaku.

    If it held back a player like adam campbell from getting a chance i would be against it, but campbell doesn’t to be getting a chance anyway so surely it would have been a good move.

  • 202 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:54 PM

    And thats with the Bank on Bill Kenwrights case.

    We made no effort to push on,and seem to be happy to pick up a bargain,every so often.

  • 203 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:55 PM

    Tsunki
    Fair enough mate personally think ba is the better all round player and can be just as instinctive
    I get were your coming from as for a player refusing to play somewhere but i think the same could be said for cisse and his perhaps lack of effort this season?
    I mean he’s a cf its not as if he’s really playing out of position tbf theres an arguement that they both need to sort themselves out and put in that extra effort to learn each others game

  • 204 Carryingcoals // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:55 PM

    tads

    I know, if you don’t see me comment tomorrow you know lawro/fat sam got the better of me and forced me to put myself out of my misery…. ha ha

  • 205 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:56 PM

    carrying

    cabayes game is all about the killer ball or shot in the final third.

    with us having him in a two man midfield he spends too much time away from the opposition third and we therefore lose what he is good at.

  • 206 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:58 PM

    Carrying
    Oh well dont rush think there might be a que on the tyne bridge!!!

  • 207 bettyswallocks // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:58 PM

    After considerable reflection I have to agree with Rotonda.
    The team is picked and set up by the manager and despite grinding out results we have not looked impressive or consistent for a lo9ng time.

    We dwell on the ball far too long and then passit back to krull who hoofs it long back to the opposition or we play a hesitant pass that has no attacking quality.

    We never have enough players around the ball or in the box and we do not look like a coherent attacking unit
    Sorry lads but this has been the case for a long time and we will never progress with this system.

    I M SICK AND TIRED OF WATCHING THIS FRUSTRATING SHIT AND IF YOU WERE ALL HONEST YOU WOULD AGREE.

  • 208 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:59 PM

    Manx ha ha just take a breath and have some warm sugary tea its just Ketsy-talk :)

    Carrying – what was the thanks for? the HOO-RAH! rallying cry at the end?

    😀

    Just a though – to play wide and through the middle you need pace in your team.

    To play hoofball you need a couple of strong tall hold up players who can knock down to a pacy AM or head on to each other.

    Which of those have we got?

  • 209 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 9:59 PM

    transfer right this is my final f@ckin post wit you on this!
    you clearly used jonas in a negative in that post against arfa
    and i’ve give you a very obvious reason why gutti has been held back for the last season but no its coz he’s a terrible winger but again don’t let facts get in the way :) he’s helped enrique’ taylor and now santon and i think its a disgrace he gets dogs abuse on here now thats my oppinion which you disagreed wit all night when it wasn’t you i was aiming my disagreement at but again thats my OPPINION!!

  • 210 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:00 PM

    Dont get me wrong,I love a bargain signing like Cabaye lol

    But it aint possible to get every player on the cheap.

    Maybe if we hired a chief exec with some football experience,Mr Ashley would realise this.

  • 211 Carryingcoals // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:01 PM

    sage

    Sorry, I disagree. When Cabaye was essentially ‘made’, he played in a three man midfield for Lille, excelling in the team that won the league and cup.

    Imagining the central three midfielders as a triangle, with Cabaye at the tip (and therefore closest to the forwards infront) he is at his best.

    With two other CM’s ball winning, Cabaye is able to have the time to pick that incisive pass, of which his game is most effective.

    In a 2 man midfield he can’t play to the best of his ability as he has to focus on other responsibilities.

    That’s why I want to see him in a three man central midfield with Anita and Tiote marshalling so he can flourish. It’s also worth noting Anita and Tiote are more than capable of a short passing game and will benefit Cabaye to the best of his ability/potential.

  • 212 Ashton // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:02 PM

    BelfastMagpie post#31

    Rudi Garcia
    Laurent Blanc
    Christian Gourcuff
    Slaven Bilic
    Rafa Benitez
    Massimiliano Allegri
    Roberto Martinez
    Marcelo Bielsa

  • 213 Carryingcoals // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:02 PM

    sage

    I apologise, just re-read your comment and realised you concur with me

    tads

    it is very long, maybe i have time to jump before the end of the program though haha 😀

    tsunki

    Just for generally making sense and saying what I was thinking, the rallying cry topped it all off!

  • 214 nick_9 // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:03 PM

    Is selling our top scorer of last season and the current season really the answer? I don’t think so.

    The team look clueless, void of any movement ideas or direction. Pass sideways, give to Williamson, hoof, concede and start to look more urgent, aim pointless set piece to one defender on the edge of the box when the rest of the players are at the other side, opposition counter, shola comes up for his link up play and the hoofing begins, the end. Shocking play from a team who finished fifth last season. Pardew what do you train the guys? I’m all for consistency so I beg you to make changes and crack on, these performances are unreal. All you super happy positive fans love papering over the cracks when we gain a point or three but a bit of realism wouldn’t go a miss, our performances are very telling, no ideas and lost sheep.

    Lack of strengthening is an issue and that’s not Pardews fault, we have less prep time, more games and I don’t think a better squad than last season. Amalfitano? Hardly features, bigiriman? Good player but will not dispossess tiote, good? Who? Anita? Couple of good performances but can he make the eleven? Who knows.

    We all knew on the window we needed extra players in Defense and attack and we signed three midfielders as let Guthrie go, how does that make us stronger because some players are a year older? Gabriel obertan had an extra year experience in the prem but he is an absolute stinker. Aimless passes, flicks and punts in the box – my patience is done with him, I won’t Boo him but he still has everything to prove as does marveaux.

    Ben Arfa today is getting some stick from fans, what for? For trying to grab the game by the neck and do something? Take that lad out the team and what us create something then!! The lad is unreal and with some colleagues who had the ability to shift their behinds into some space he would excel.

    Ferguson was easily the motm for me, the kid gave his all especially in the second half. He tried his best whipping balls in and was positive in his play.

  • 215 magpiepoot // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:03 PM

    I was at game today – all I see we need is attack from midfield- like what Nolan offered us! We have no one coming forward when a shot from our centre forwards is knocked clear

  • 216 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:05 PM

    transfer blackpool were also playing some very nice football at the start of there pl season
    west brom won’t last ther in my oppinion

  • 217 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:05 PM

    Belfast

    Llambias for me is a joke….whether he is a good negotiator or not is irrelevant if he does not understand the value of what he is negotiating for.

    He either needs to be replaced or given advisors who’s values he follows and can judge early on in negotiations whether he should just get out and move on or persist and get the deal he likes.

    I do think spending more would help, it always does, if you scout well and spend more you will either have more players or a higher quality of player.

    I think what we really need though is for pardew to figure out the best way for these lads to play. I don’t care at all whether we spend 10 mil on each player or 1 mil as long as we sign good players.

    what i do want is the players we have to play to their potential and not look like a group of players who have just met.

  • 218 hotdog // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:08 PM

    Nick – spot on kid

  • 219 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM

    thank god tsunki i thought ketsie might actually be a disease that you could catch n carrying i’m glad you ain’t caught it! :)

  • 220 nick_9 // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:11 PM

    We have signed several players from champions league teams that are good technical players but still insist on either bypass them or not playing them to there strengths. I don’t want Pardew sacked but I want him to get some fire in his belly and be ruthless. If I have to ensure another 90 minutes of that subdued performance and atmosphere at sjp then I will probably suffer from very high blood pressure.

    Ba and cisse because they are big players we insist on high balls in, it’s nigh on impossible to control and retain possession with some of these balls in we play, no help for the man on the ball and an attitude of give it to Ben Arfa or santon to do something. Mark them out the game and what do we have? Ba, cisse, Ben Arfa, cabaye and Anita are all players who want to keep it on the deck and favour it.

    It’s so frustrating when we have so much potential to do better. I just hope hba and others stay around long enough for it to materialise. How long does it take for the gel to dry?

  • 221 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:11 PM

    manx

    west brom seem quite solid at the back too though…blackpool always looked capable of conceding 4/5

    and i think we can just agree to disagree on this.

    I will say though that I think enrique didn’t need help off jonas, he was one of the best fullbacks in the league defensively and offensively

    And i know and appreciate the help he gives to santon, but as a winger that is his secondary job.

    his primary job is to attack, hence him being a winger and not a full back.

  • 222 NewcastleMole // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:11 PM

    For those wanting to know who that tosser of a commentator was it was Ex Forrest & Man Utd – Garry Birtles

  • 223 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:12 PM

    Dont get me wrong sage, I agree with many things you say but you seem to be missing the point about jonas and how he is played, it is essentially why he is now finally injured, his remit this last season and a half since raylor-minding has made him a covering do-it-all utility man at the expense of his wing game, it really isnt his fault its the way he is being deployed. He is (sorry-WAS) covering for the shortfalls of a makeshft defence and an indecisive midfield. A few games down the line we will see if he will create a hole or not.

    AND Carrying is right about this Cabaye thing, he is in the wrong place at the wrong time. Given another midfield with him at point, he would score double figures from edge of box shots and set pieces, with numerous assists. I am trying to resist the ‘Pardew the Inept Tactician’ school of thought in preference to there being little in the way of options due to injuries and lack of first team experience of backup players, but I am opening up to offers……

  • 224 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:14 PM

    Ashton

    Do you honestly think Benitez and co would agree to let Graham Carr sign all the players?

    Dream on mate.

  • 225 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:15 PM

    Tsunki

    I said in an earlier post that jonas may be not attacking anywhere near as much as he should due to a tactical issue of what he is being told to do.

    It is on this thread but I can’t be bothered to find it….just look through my comments if you like.

    I want to add, so people dont get the wrong idea, that in no way a I blaming jonas for our poor performances this year. The team as a whole have not turned up for long periods of most games this year.

    It is a problem with all players not just jonas.

  • 226 Jail for Ashley // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:16 PM

    As a non season ticket holder I manage to get to about 8-10 games a season and sit somewhere different every game, and those in favour of Mashley are few and far between I’ve yet to meet a bills son or beefman in the real world.

  • 227 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:16 PM

    Manx – Kets is no disease but he does suffer from Scharners himself. And Panninis. Heartbreaking.

  • 228 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    Pardew tows the party line no matter what mate.

    Hence the 8 year contract.

    Match made in heaven.

  • 229 bettyswallocks // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:18 PM

    Nick 9.

    TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOUR ANALYSIS.

    Can t add more other than to say its not nice to watch

  • 230 Klam3r // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM

    Why doesn’t Pardew do what i do in FM13? I sold Jonas, Williamson, Obertan and brought in players like Wellington and Rakitic and played 4231/433. Won PL first season. Easy peasy!

    I think there are a lot of wannabe managers on here(me included), and that’s great! But when i see people slagging of fellow supporters because they are negative… come on guys. Of course there will be criticism when we play like this. Deserved criticism that is!
    But i do challenge the critics to sing out their praise when we get on route again :)

    For now Pards is our problem. He should tell Ba to pi** off if he does not want to play on the left in a 433, a formation that created chances last season and even dominated games. He forces himself to play 442 i’m afraid.

    Can’t really criticize Jonas. He always put in a shift, but i criticize Pardew for using him in a starting 11, if that makes any sense…

    Yeah, we got a manager problem at the moment. Maybe Pardew can turn this thing around, but on the other hand… maybe not. I really know too little about what’s going on in training and behind the scene to write Pardew off.

  • 231 Ashton // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM

    BelfastMagpie

    Carr isn’t signing players. He just suggests a number of players in a certain position and Pardew decides whether to sign them or not. He has said so himself on numerous occasions. Also there are 6 more managers on that list and I would be ecstatic with anyone of them.

  • 232 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:25 PM

    Sage fair enough mate I am probably doing that thing where I morph two posts together, pee myself, regroup and slaver on about Jonas. :0

    You are right though, there is something seriously missing and its in the middle somewhere, otherwise why would our forward line be so reticent at getting into that final quarter in good time?

  • 233 stuart no9 // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:25 PM

    jail@226 thinking about it bills is an extremist when it comes to our owners, and no, i havnt met anyone with those same extremist views. so , luckily there is only one.

  • 234 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:26 PM

    Do you honestly believe that mate?

    Pardew has very little to do with transfers,in my opinion.

    Same as Hughton.

    They tryd it on with Keegan,and he told them were to go.

  • 235 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM

    transfer well i’m positivly raging here to be honest :)
    enrique’s 1st season was shocking and eventually with JONAS’S help he got better and as a team we were safer and taylor and santon has held him back ffs his position as a left winger for the last three seasons has 4 me been more defensive than he ever wanted BUT needed so again i’ll say my anger is again people who blame him for not doin his job and especially catchy who moans even when where 5th!! it angers me wit not much substance!!
    i quite like your points usually but your picking on my points which have very rational reasoning against someone who has been negative and very irrational thoughts on our team and our play!!!!

  • 236 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    Klam3r – define ‘critical poster’ for me. I think I am a critic today. But I cant be bothered to fart when see in type the calls for a new manager and the fatal malaise in the boardroom nonsense. Its OK to criticise what you see, but some here like to put their own perennial downward spin n everything, even when we are winning, thats just fatiguing mate.

  • 237 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:34 PM

    lol tsunki lets prey for ketsie poor lil bugger

  • 238 Ashton // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    BelfastMagpie

    Even if you are correct in your presumption. In general only PL managers have total control. There are 5 or 6 more managers on that list who could work with such a system.

  • 239 nick_9 // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    Manxpie I don’t really agree with you that Jonas is being held back as a winger by our full backs. It’s natural for players in some positions to fill in for others. I see jonas’s inability to now beat a man and put a ball in as the fullbacks fault. I love the guy for his effort and commitment but for us to play a strong eleven I do not see him in it anymore unfortunately. It’s got to the point where it’s look like he has been included just for the sake of being in the team, the captaincy or vice protects him from being dropped as does our fear of losing. For me in a 442 he doesn’t make the cut, you and Pardew disagree but each to their own. No name calling from me, that was easy.

    I ask some fans how long or how many performances do you give a player before cutting your losses? Obviously it will differ for each players scenario I.e a foreign player differs to a youngster

  • 240 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    Klam3r – forgot to add though that you will have to wait a long time for certain posters to turn on the charm. A very….long….time……

  • 241 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:36 PM

    Catchy eats to many magic mushrooms if you ask me.

    The really wild ones that nobody else eats. 😉

  • 242 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:37 PM

    manx

    maybe i am doing jonas a disservice with my complaints.

    I think I am mixing both my points about him.

    One point is that he should get forward more, but I do understand your point that this may not be his fault, he is maybe told to be defensive by pardew.

    I criticised pardew for being too defensive so there is a possibility this is his doing.

    My second point is that this and last season jonas hasn’t really created much when he has had the chance. I know he scored and set up a couple last year but I think he has lost the quality in his final ball.

    So you are right, maybe I have been harsh on him, but he has still disappointed me when he has been forward in terms of not putting in a good ball.

    But again to counter my own argument, if we only ever have 1 or 2 in the box against 4/5 opposition players most crosses will look bad as they wont find one of our boys…not like crossing a ball for man utd where they might have 4/5 in the box.

  • 243 OhSholaAmeobi // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:38 PM

    Been a season ticket holder since 2003, seen the best and the worst, and without any doubt today as the worst performance of the Pardew era.
    Lack of basic ball control, movement and passing ability. Willo and Simmo either whacking it forward or going back to the keeper as per, which doesn’t work whatsoever unless Shola’s playing, even then it’s a poor tactic.
    Set pieces still awful, can’t remember the last time we scored a corner, the hoik to willo in an attempt to hit it back across goal NEVER works.
    Sorry but simpson is shocking. I appreciate what he’s done, the blocks last season etc, but he’s out of position every game, he doesn’t know how to pass forward, or run at people, or overlap, or cross.
    Willo needs to be improved upon. He has the most clearances in the league for a reason, he whacks the ball upfield every time. He’s also incredibly uncomfortable on the ball, weak in the air for a tall guy, and has the bramble-syndrome in heading every clearance straight to the opposition.
    Cisse last year was holding the ball up, turning people, moving into space. What’s happened?
    Only Ba, Ben Arfa and Santon can escape criticism today. Ba for his work rate and being our only goal threat. Ben10 and Santon for their willingness to actually have a go and attempt to take people on.
    Rant over.

  • 244 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM

    manx

    continued from before

    the fact we aren’t playing well means that final ball has to be even better as we need t take advantage of the odd time we have a good chance

  • 245 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    I think if Anita was up to speed cabaye was pushed forward of the DM’s, obertan on from the start and HBA free roaming behind cisse we would have had a very different game today.

  • 246 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:46 PM

    to be honest tranfersage i really havent been arguing with you with your actuall views on the team but with you supporting catchy in his very very irrational oppinions of our team lol
    and i believe strongly that jonas has been held back over the years because off our left back problem !?

  • 247 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:48 PM

    manx

    I’m not agreeing with catchy but I think he has a point in there.

    I dont think we usually play badly under pardew, far from it, we play very well, but we play defensively. It is not bad play, it is just boring and dull to watch.

    We achieve what we seem to set out to.

    I just find it pardew says things like he wants us to pass the ball then the team seem to do nothing but go long.

    Either pardew lies to the cameras or the players seem to totally ignore him.

  • 248 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM

    Ha ha I can see that match days are very definitely not the friendliest place to be, I mean you dont see the likes of Jesper and Ibiza with their frivolous frippery do you ha ha bleedin’ ha. Where are you, you lightweights? Joke your way out of this one! 😀

  • 249 warwick // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM

    Today was terrible and mediocre.
    In the real world away from footy manager its got to be 5 plus games in terrible form to really be considered a slump.
    Do you sack the manager for a single slump?
    Lets wait and see how they respond, big game next week, up the toon.

  • 250 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:50 PM

    right last post I am off to watch motd before bed.

    Manx

    I accept you think jonas has been held back, could well be the case, we are defensively minded as a team.

    but do you think his final ball, especially crossing has been poor the last season or so.

  • 251 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM

    Ibiza waš on earlier,then ran away.

  • 252 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    I’m off as well. I think it can be fixed and we will bounce back with fire in the belly. In Pards we trust. Nighty night peeps!

  • 253 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM

    Belfast – :)

    Like I said, lightweights…

  • 254 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:57 PM

    mind you this thing has a touch screen but I was a little shy of getting my fingers near it tonight

  • 255 Carryingcoals // Nov 11, 2012 at 10:57 PM

    Lee Ryder does it again…

    http://www.nufcfans.co.uk/kevin-nolan-lee-ryder-newcastle-united-west-ham/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

  • 256 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 11:00 PM

    Carrying – well done thanks for that I can sleep with a smile on my face just having confirmed that all is well with the world seeing as Ryder is reaffirmed as a complete prat.

  • 257 Tsunki // Nov 11, 2012 at 11:00 PM

    definitely off now bye

  • 258 Carryingcoals // Nov 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM

    haha as will I. Catch you soon

  • 259 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 11:02 PM

    well transfersage i wish you said that at the first post lol
    but what do you think of my point i made before?
    and another point is i think fans think we are a team of man u’s and chelsea’s ilk we are not!
    people underestermate the power of playing the “big teams”
    lets face it we and most of the prem play defensive against these teams only coz of there names as big teams
    arsenal are suffering now coz i believe teams believe they can get at them they’ve lost that presence and where the same we havent got the big team presence so teams constantly try to get at us!
    so where gonna have to try twice as hard in some games as the “big teams” imo!??

  • 260 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 11:03 PM

    Tsunki

    I usually just put my hard hat on,and tryin put out all the fires one by one.

    Ibiza is a little pussy.. lol 😉

  • 261 thai-mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 11:17 PM

    the toon got all the breaks, because if we didn’t we would have finnished 3 0 down, how long will it take for Pardew to see that Ba and Cisse is like starting with 10 men they just cant play together ,

  • 262 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 11, 2012 at 11:21 PM

    MOTD sum it up perfectly. We have somw very good playrts in our squad and should be performing better. Over to you Pardew

  • 263 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 11, 2012 at 11:27 PM

    Also Williamson played Nolan on side for their goal and made a shocking pass that almost let Judas score, not to mention he hoofed the ball upfield aimlessley all game. We need to improve on players like him if we want to go to the next level

  • 264 woolerbill // Nov 11, 2012 at 11:31 PM

    We were lucky last year, some teams from the top 8 had bad seasons. We are a average team with a average manager, playing average rubbish football. Swansea will be looking forward to next week.

  • 265 woolerbill // Nov 11, 2012 at 11:43 PM

    Par dew reckons Williams is underestimated, all he can do is head the ball. There is no football in him, he is substandard.

  • 266 BigKirky // Nov 11, 2012 at 11:55 PM

    I which we’d pass and move more and limit the direct punts. Santon easily best player for us today. Ben Arfa lost the ball a bit but I’d much prefer him to be attempting to take players on and have that happen than not attempt it at all. Passing and moving and 1-2’s is what is needed. Putting Shola on so early is an easy way out and a ticket to just crack balls up field hoping he’ll hold it up. We needed those 3 points today.

  • 267 LeedsMag // Nov 12, 2012 at 12:04 AM

    NewcastleMole @222 – thanks for the info re Gary Birtles – watched the footy 1st on Sky – the performance was bad enough but where do Sky get some of their pundits – this guy is just as much a dick head as Ray Wilkins
    Bit worried now 1/3rd season nearly gone and not one decent cohesive dominating performance.3 scrappy wins in the league and the loss of form of Cisse is frightening.The passing & movement and therefore chances may be less but his basic control, ball retention & movement are awful.
    Was expecting a bit of a reality check after last seasons over acheivement but not this much.Time for Pards to start showing he is as good a coach as he thinks he is

  • 268 joeytoon // Nov 12, 2012 at 12:05 AM

    bettyswallocks totally agree with you,
    we have been found out,
    1, we are aiming to compete with man utd ,chelsea man city ,arsenal are we not , if not then why not, how could we possibly think that when all of these teams strenghened in the summer, we didnt need to
    simpson, willo,obertan are simply not prem players,and shola god love him is better off at hartlepool or carlisle
    2 please dont cite injuries or suspensions for our plight,we had a bunch of inexperienced kids on the bench today,chelsea etc have a bench full of internationals every week,
    anyone who couldnt see that we were nearly as bad for most of last season is blind ,qpr, villa ,norwich , fulham ,crap in each game some exposed us and in others we got very lucky because we didnt look good in any sense,
    the fat one has shafted us all again,he is happy to let us have a crap season as long as we dont go down and he can save his money
    you simply cannot expect inexperienced young kids to come into a team that is playing so poorly and make a sustained difference ,let alone come off the bench and expect them to change the game for you,not in the epl

  • 269 brobrotwins // Nov 12, 2012 at 1:21 AM

    1 word sums up my feelings today GUTTED can not believe how poor we were today i really thought this could be our turn around game instead we got to play a inform swansea team who i could see spanking us, i think personaly pardew has got to play 433 sooner or later as it worked well last season for a long time and some fans saying we was poor all last season and playing hoof ball all season and we got lucky is this a JOKE i mean ffs dont you remember the stoke game ? man u ? swansea ? many more not always most possesion but some accurate through balls this has got to change soon for the better ! ( hasnt it ?)

  • 270 darthkir // Nov 12, 2012 at 2:13 AM

    I dont like it but i agree with Catchy In Norway’s post no #2.

  • 271 jawballsaswallwell // Nov 12, 2012 at 2:38 AM

    Pards is always banging on about our close knit group, but honestly, how many of the following players seem fully committed to the club, based on performances this season and contractual issues.

    Tiote
    Cisse
    Cabaye
    Ba
    Simmo
    Marveaux
    Abeid
    Gosling

    Cabs, Cisse and Tiote for example, are having strikingly poor seasons so far, relatively speaking.

    How can such a talented group seem so collectively uninspiring?

    One or two heads turned perhaps.

  • 272 Santon03 // Nov 12, 2012 at 3:48 AM

    I already know we will lose this game when I saw the formation. Again we play with stupid formation 442, FFS AP doesn’t know any other formation to change the game. There are no positives in this game, even Mancini changed the formation with 3 defenders when they were behind. I thought when Obertan came in for Simpson finally he changed formation, but NOOOO!!! He stuck with 442, put Fergie as LB and Santon as RB. Even the commentator said “I don’t understand this team, they are at home and trailing 1-0, yet only 2 players inside the box most of the time only 1 player inside the box”. I agree with the commentator, it’s stupid formation. I can try to see positive sides when we lose any other games, but not this time, this time I had enough of this shit. We will be lucky if we finish in top 10. I also had enough with AP’s excuses.

  • 273 Santon03 // Nov 12, 2012 at 3:55 AM

    Jaw

    It’s his system, his tactic, the way he set up the team to play is what causing those players playing poorly. IF AP keep playing those players, they must have done what they were told to do and AP must have satisfied with their job. It’s starting to annoy me the way they played.

  • 274 Santon03 // Nov 12, 2012 at 4:13 AM

    joeytoon

    I don’t blame MA, I blame AP for this. I blame his tactic.
    You are being ridiculous, you are asking MA to compete with the likes Abramovic and rich Arabs and American tycoon, MA’s financial power less than 1/10 of others, and you asked him to spend money like those clubs. Whose money going to pay those kind of players? yours? I don’t think so, if you don’t put your own money in it, stop complaining. We nolonger have debts and the club is self financing.
    All we need is AP to gamble more, to change his tactics, because other teams already recognized us as a strong team and they already studied how we play.
    Look at Everton, they don’t invest big money like others, but Moyes changed his tactic and they scored more than we do, win more than we are.

  • 275 tweaked // Nov 12, 2012 at 6:19 AM

    disappointed at the result and think AP needs to look a different playbook from time to time, that long ball is out dated and really doesn’t bring anything to the table, we have a few sparks of brilliance then poor final play.. hope cisse spends the off season learning\practicing his first touch, ben arfa seriously needs to stop showing fear and run @ defenders, also stop trying to dribble yourself out of a snookered place every time you get the ball, try passing and making space so that you can run @ them first :-)

    I still think we need quality CB’s so that we are not worried that when the opposition has the ball everyone has to get back to bloody defend.. a few times yesterday we get the ball up into the box and there is no-one in support to put it in the back of the net

    @60min AP should of reverted to the 433 as then we had fuckall to lose anyways

    hope we get better and finally start clicking otherwise we can be lucky to get a mid table finish

  • 276 hazzy // Nov 12, 2012 at 7:19 AM

    glad guti is injured hes the worst player in the league. people are going to have a go but he can’t and never has had any quality at all. he works hard but never seems to tackle or block anything. His passing, first touch, movement, dribbling, crossing, shooting and anything involving kicking a ball is absolutely awful. I am genuinely disgusted he is even a professional football player

  • 277 Ian Toon // Nov 12, 2012 at 7:24 AM

    Tsunki- @128 8.41 pm
    You may not now much about fitting kitchens but you displayed a good knowledge of football in general and an understanding of yesterday’s game. A sprinkling of quality in a sea of dross or an alter ego!! Mind you I would prefer not to lose Ba but recognise the dilemma of both playing in same team. I could not agree with you more of the quality Cisse possesses and your appreciation of Jonas and Obertan’s contribution convinced me that you know what your talking about-LOL Pardew’s real task is to get the best out of undoubted quality. In football as in life there are followers and leaders. When things aren’t going well it’s often difficult to stand out against the baying mass posters. Your my sort of NUFC fan have as good a day as you can under the circumstances.
    Jesper- good morning up and at them.

  • 278 JP...from The Rock // Nov 12, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    The game on Sunday was disgusting to watch. One of the most boring an uninspired matches I have seen from us. WTF is wrong with Cisse? He looks less than a shadow of his former self. Long balls and our complete lack of imagination is unbearable. HBA was the only one making us tick in the game but even he can’t do it alone. We need BETTER FOOTBALL BRAINS ON THE PITCH!

    The only players in our team with a good football brain are: Cabaye, Bigirimana, Saylor, Colo, HBA, Ba. That’s it!! That is not good enough for a top 6 let alone a top 4 side.

    We need more players capable of playing the quality pass that is needed. It seems our players don’t even see some obvious defense splitting passes and keep playing it back or lumping it long all day every week! It’s so annoying to watch and it’s becoming a real drag. It’s not Padew’s fault as he clearly sees the problem it’s our players they aren’t clever enough on the pitch.

    Haven’t you noticed that EVERY TEAM looks better than us at passing the ball around the park?

    We need to sort it out and quick before we lose even more points.




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