Now we know what Shane Ferguson played not part at all in the game on Thursday night – as the Northern Ireland International has been handed a starting position this afternoon in the home game against West Ham.
This is Shane’s second start in the Premier League this season, as he continues to push for a starting position in the Newcastle team.
Danny Simpson comes in at right back, and it looks like Jonas Gutierrez could be playing in central midfield this afternoon, unless Newcastle play in a 4-3-3 formation.
There are none changes made form the side that started on Thursday evening against Club Brugge in Belgium, with only Tim Krul and Mike Williamson keeping their places.
As expected both Kevin Nolan and Andy Carroll will start for West Ham United.
This is a game Newcastle can win (and should win), and we need all 3 points and we could climb to 7th position with a win today.
Howay The Lads!!
Teams:
Newcastle United (4-4-2): Tim Krul; Danny Simpson, Mike Williamson, Steven Taylor, Davide Santon; Hatem Ben Arfa, Yohan Cabaye, Jonas Gutierrez (c), Shane Ferguson; Demba Ba, Papiss Cisse
Substitutes: Rob Elliot, Vurnon Anita, Gael Bigirimana, Romain Amalfitano, Sylvain Marveaux, Gabriel Obertan, Shola Ameobi
West Ham Jaaskelainen, O’Brien, Reid, Tomkins, McCartney, Noble, Diame, Nolan, Benayoun, Jarvis, Carroll
Subs: Spiegel, Demel, Collins, O’Neil, Hall, Maiga, Cole
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383 responses so far ↓
1 shirtonapole tinooo // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:07 PM
Interesting. ..
I’m sure someone put this as their lineup, but said pardew wouldn’t have the balls to do it
2 nufc786 // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:08 PM
Don’t tell my heart, my achy breaky heart
I just don’t think it’d understand
And if you tell my heart, my achy breaky heart
He might blow up and kill this man
Ooo
Don’t sell Cabaye, Yohan Cabaye
I just don’t think you understand
That if you sell Cabaye, Yohan Cabaye
you’ll have a riot on your hands
Ooo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PbXm52JnQ7Q
courtesy of the fans from brugge
3 Dannyo // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:08 PM
Sammy apparently has a knock.
I can understand the pick for Jonas today. He’s the only player eligble for that spot that has been rested.
Anita played two in 4 days, Abeid just not there yet.
Gosling and Vuckic injured, Biggie played Thursday.
Great to see Marveux and Amalfitano ready to go tho.
4 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM
Don’t like Jonas as part if a two in the middle.
As a three it’s not too bad, as a two it will mean cabaye won’t be forward as often as he should be.
5 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:11 PM
But I like te pace and quality on the wings. Should provide good service for Ba and cisse
6 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:12 PM
TS…about your post in the last thread, I would say I agree very much so.
Money play a major part when a player chooses where to play, but other aspects should as level of play is important. I would think a player and his agents have certain demands (both money and level og play) and those who meet those demands are in contention.
But I would state that there is probably a big difference between a player in the beginning og his career and a player at the end of his career
if you get what I mean!
Disclaimer: this is not an atemp to make a generalization even though a generalization is merely a foundational element of logic and human reasoning. It serves a purpose.
7 Dannyo // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:13 PM
@Transfer Sage
It’s easily flexible to a 4-3-3, and Jonas and Cab are really the only CMs available.
As i said in my last post, Anita has played 2 in 4 days, Biggie not quite there on the PL start for me yet, and Jonas was rested during Europe.
Abeid a non topic yet.
8 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:13 PM
dannyo
jonas, should not be playing even if he has been rested, anita should get that spot, and if he tires later, maybe bring jonas on, anita has had 2 days full rest,
9 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM
Jesper
Yeh agree about players at end of career.
Look at Anelka fr example.
Won trophies on England, Spain and euros and World Cup.
Now he is in his 30s nobody will begrudge him going for a couple years of a huge pay check in china.
He wouldn’t have done this early in his career but at the end it’s totally understandable.
10 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM
silly line up. Ferguson is best used as an impact sub. His ability to keep possession and make intelligent short passes is severely lack at this stage of his career. Jonas and Cabaye in midfield will leave our back four terribly exposed. |I fear the worst today. You heard it here first
11 Rotonda heights // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:18 PM
I really hope it’s a 433 because otherwise in a 442 we’ll keep our record of hitting more long balls than any other team which is a disgrace.
We know what to expect from allardyce but I thought we were better than that these days.
12 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:20 PM
Dannyo
It could be 433 but I bet we start 442. Same as all season, play badly in 442 then at some point in the game switch to 433 and play better. (442 works a lot better when shola plays)
Jonas may be rested but I’m sure Anita could manage it.
And even so with Jonas offering nothing attacking wise when he usually starts on the left (I know he won’t today) he should be the one playing in Europe and we should be bringing through Anita into the first team.
Anita was a regular in the Ajax midfield last year and you saw how well those lads passes and moved against man city in Europe. He will never adapt tithe league if he gets 15/20 mins at the end of a game. He needs a few starts.
13 Dannyo // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:20 PM
@catchy
I wouldn’t want to play Jonas either.
But if you play a tired player, u highten the percentage for injuries.
You could say to do your suggestion, but i think AP still sees Jonas as an easy pick, and therefor risks nothing.
14 jamesnufc86 // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:21 PM
Toonbrother – Ferguson is a tidy player – I haven’t noticed him losing possession too much at all, plus with his crossing ability we should be in good shape , is it raining where u are ?
15 toonking // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:23 PM
well well even when ferguson is allowed to start we still get people stubborn on the blog.
this team today looks a decent one and i am happy with it myself. now it is up to the player themselves to show they can do it especially HBA and jonas who both have been poor with their passing. also what i think there is no excuse for today is holding back BFS is a long baller so all we need is two defender to stay back the rest can get forward.
16 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:23 PM
Hmmm, intriguing line-up. Hopefully some swift attacks and dangerous deliveries, all too often we’re laboured in our build-up and give chance for the opposition to get set in their shape, which particularly limits Cisse, but him and Fergy have shown signs of forming a great understanding.
17 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:23 PM
Rotonda
The long ball can work and at times it is essential, players need to know if the short pass isn’t on that a long ball should be played, Liverpool often get caught out playing it short when it’s too risky.
My problem is our forwards (except shola) can’t do anything with a long ball, often lose it.
If we are going to go long it needs to be more of ball into the channels to run onto, not just launched forward with no thought.
I think there is a difference between a long ball and a well though out long pass. We seem to hit and hope too often as you rightly say.
18 Dannyo // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:24 PM
@Transfer
Oh i won’t argue the Anita vs Jonas cause.
After the series of poor performances Jonas has had, it should be a fairly easy option imo.
I’m just saying what i think is going through APs mind.
19 JAMSHA // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:24 PM
good line up….but should have played wit one striker n 5 mid….anyways fergi n.hba on the wing…would b great to c some more crosses for ba n cisse…3-1 to the toon.army
howays
20 BelfastMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:24 PM
Todays game really worries me.
This is the most unconfident i’ve been all season. lol
Diame,Noble,Nolan. v Cabaye and Jonas by the looks of it?
21 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:24 PM
Dannyo
Jonas is a safe pick for pardew.
He may not deliver going forward but pardew knows he will work hard and make the team tighter defensively.
22 Hatem's better than Messi // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:26 PM
Not a bad line-up.
Jonas is a clever player hopefully he’ll attract lots of fouls and avoid seeing red …
I prefer him in this position rather than on the LW.
Great to see Fergie get a start this lad is quality.
Willo & Saylor v Carroll should be fun.
Willo scares me.
I think an easy 2-0 …
HWTL
23 Dannyo // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:26 PM
Atleast Saylor and Willo doesn’t have pacey forwards to keep up with.
We’ve got hight and strength at the back today and i think that will show. Carroll and Nolan far too slow to pose a threat in that manner.
24 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:27 PM
Belfast
We may struggle against the 3 in midfield but west ham often go long over them or play it to the wide men to cross so hopefully cabaye and Jonas won’t have too much to do in the middle.
25 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:30 PM
Dannyo
Ah right, thought you were putting out your opinion not Pardews reasoning.
Yeh fully agree with you then.
Pardew is just a little cautious for me.
Against a lot of teams we should be more dominant and really go for it.
Too often our players seem too concerned with hanging back to defend and not attack in numbers to kill games off.
But before I get slated….I like pardew, don’t want him sacked, I just want him to acknowledge the quality in the team a bit more.
26 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:31 PM
One important facet of Jonas’ game, is his willingness to track and to plug gaps, his awareness of danger. Think he’s ideal to keep tabs on Nolan and his use of pockets of space. Although diminishing, he still retains the ability to wriggle out of tight spots (something Tiote tries and more often fails) and burst over 10 yards, which could set-up counter attacking opportunities.
27 JAMSHA // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:31 PM
GUTTED THE MATCH IS NOT LIVE IN.INDIA,,, FK ESPN.STARSPORTS
28 tequilamag // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:33 PM
Don`t think many people doubt Jonas hard work, as long as he keeps \Nolan quiet he will have earned his money today.
29 niafron // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:34 PM
Bonjour messieurs.
30 Dannyo // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:35 PM
@Transfer
You could call AP cautios, but i think he just wants the games under his control really, he runs an organized team, he’s very clear on peoples exact jobs aswell.
He still speaks of improving on passing, but we’re really thumping it long this season, but it’s due to our less ball secure players.
He also values grit and hard work, he respects that and he gives those who have that chances.
Hence Jonas never ending involvement in the team.
31 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:35 PM
Hope to see us squeeze further up the pitch too, with no real threat of pace in behind.
32 Gateshead-Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:40 PM
any1 got the build up on???
33 Dannyo // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:42 PM
@Ruddy
Carroll isn’t exactly a goal scoring threat these days and Nolan has no pace.
If Willo and Saylor can communicate well, those two shouldn’t provide much of a threat.
But i worry about the lack of organisation when Collo is not there, so there is a higher room for errors today imo.
34 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:43 PM
dannyo
I too like players who work hard and battle in games but I also want a bit more flair and attacking intent.
In my opinion the balance is not quite right and I would like to see other players involved more.
Having said that I only see games, Pardew sees training as well so I know fine well he knows more about the lads and what he wants from them than I do.
I just think that we would control games more in a 433 than a 442, an extra man in midfield could free up cabaye whilst allowing us to keep the ball better and therefore limit the possession of our opponents and ultimately the amount of time they have to create chances against us.
But like I say….we are still getting points and I am sure the style will develop over the years.
I think it takes a manager anywhere between 2 and 5 years to get his style on the team depending on how much he is backed in the transfer market.
35 Rotonda heights // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:43 PM
Sage,
As you say big difference between a long hoof and a thought out Hoddle type pass that finds it’s intended target. The other night Saylor was just launching it every time to no one in particular.
36 belgrade fan // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM
SOME GAME LINK PLEASE?
37 laurille // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM
If Taylor/willo gets sent off or gets hurt, we will be in trouble with a bench like that. I have a bad feeling about this one…
Howay!
38 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM
this is a bad line up especially if its 4-4-2. Im surprised more people dont see it. Pardew makes peculiar decisions sometimes. We will struggle to keep possession today. just watch
39 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM
for anyone who doesn’t have the links already her you go
http://www.footballstreaming.info/streams/todays-links/?option=com_lsh&view=lsh&layout=webmaster&tmpl=component§ions=35&bg_color=ffffff&font_type=Verdana&font_size=12px&font_color=000000&link_color=0088b3&link_hover_color=5500ff&actab_body_color=ffffff&start_time_eventtitle_font_size=12px&slides_color=5e6eb8&starttime_color=e1f54c&event_title_color=ffffff&inside_slide_bg_color=e7e7e7&tvname_font_size=14px&tvname_font_color=42312a&tvname_bg_color=d6d6d6&tz_name_bg_color=ffffff&tz_name_font_color=000000&tz_name_font_size=14px&offset=7&ling_hover_bg_color=c0c0c0
This has our link as well as other two prem league games…barca and real too.
plus a few others
40 kt97toonarmy // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:46 PM
we need to take the game to them today i think
41 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM
we have 2 quality defensive midfielders on the bench and he picks today to start jonas in that position . shocking.
42 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:49 PM
Rotonda
Yeh, I thought saylor was poor with that on thursday….for all the criticism willo gets he seemed to try and keep it on the floor when he was comfortable.
The long ball can work if you have a carroll type player but you need 2/3 players around him at all times to collect the flick one or give him an option if he brings it down.
We dont play like that….our strikers are isolated a lot of the time o even if ba/cisse wins the long ball they only have one option to find which is too difficult and rarely works.
43 Dannyo // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:50 PM
@Transfer
All very true.
There’s still Sammy, Marvuex, Obertan and Amalfitano wanting to ply their trade on the pitch.
Sammy and Obertan has done well this year, one perhaps better than the other.
But they’re both starting to look like players.
Marveux has shown a complete lack of form, but redmeeded himself somwhat on Thursday, Amalfitano seems to be closing in.
I do wonder what the team would have looked like today had Sammy been fit. Maybe swap him and Amalfitano is my guess.
But still, it’s not like there’s not options for Jonas their, especially out wide.
As u say, the team will continue to evolve and with some backing in January, there will most likely be players to be added to help AP keep the ball and sort the passing better.
Right now, i think he’s running a 4-4-2 to add goal threat via Cisse and Ba. Also it’s about keeping players happy, imo.
44 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:50 PM
Toonbrother
I think jonas is best suited to being a DM at the moment….however I said before….I think he is suited to that as a part of a 3 man midfield…not as part of a 2 man midfield.
45 Belgian // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:51 PM
I’m a Newcastle supporter since ’96.
Thursday I went to Bruges with 4 neutral supporters.
First we went to the market place where we drinked some beers and talked to a few other supporters.
We walked with them to the stadium. Unfortunatly we had tickets in the Bruges end, but it was still one of the best days ever. We where all very impressed by the Newcastle support. Can’t think of anything else since.
C’mon Newcastle!!!
46 lukes26 // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:53 PM
any sopcast liinks
47 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:53 PM
Dannyo
spot on with keeping ba happy.
It’s easy for us as fans to say “drop him if he wont play out wide”
but if Pardew does that and Ba decides in January to leave with that release clause then Pardew is left with Cisse and Shola.
We would get little money from that sale and knowing how the club operates we might get a new striker but only if the price is right, we wont pay over the odds even if we are desperate.
I think if we had signed another forward or if Ba signed a contract without a release clause we might have seen more rotation with 1 up front or Ba being made to play left.
48 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:55 PM
transfer sage. Exactly my point. playing him as a dm in a 4-3-3 is completely different from playing him as an out and out anchor man in a 4-4-2. Anita, Bigiramana wouldve far better options from a tackling and ball distribution standpoint.
49 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:55 PM
lukes26
will struggle for sopcast today
most people have created links for city spurs and chelsea liverpool.
the browser ones might be the best available.
50 niafron // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:56 PM
At least, a ride for Fergie.
Let’s hope we will be able to make a better use of the wings with him on the pitch.
I’m worry for the midfield however, Cab and Spidey alone seem a bit light.
Especially with two very offensive wingers and Colo out of the game.
51 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:57 PM
transfer sage, so what do you suggest? We let him hold the club hostage to his demands. I say play him out wide if he throws a hissy fit ,let him go in january and bring back carroll who would
1. be compatible with CIsse in a 4-4-2
2. Have a better attitude
52 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:57 PM
toonbrother
I think bigi and anita would struggle in a 2 man midfield too though.
Tiote, for all i am critical of him, is capable of playing as an anchor in a 2 man midfield, dont think we have another play who can do it well enough.
I would have preferred us to use a 3 man midfield today with say cabaye infront of jonas and anita.
53 Dannyo // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:58 PM
@niafron
It’s not impossible, that after AP saw West Hams formation and tactics, that he’ll push Ba out left right away and run a 4-3-3.
54 YorkshiresFinestGeordie // Nov 11, 2012 at 2:58 PM
Despite not having such a good start to season, I think were bound to get some goals today. 6 – 2. Ba 3, Ben arfa, taylor, cabaye. Nolan, Noble. Gunna be optimistic
55 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:00 PM
toonbrother
I dont like him holding the club to ransom (not saying he is definitely doing this by the way, just a possible reason)
But Pardew has to think of all possibilities…..we may be playing bad but we are getting points so for now pardew will probably keep it the same.
I think Pardew is caught between a rock and a hard place really, its difficult.
I think though with cisse’s form he would be better off dropping him and using Ba as the lone striker, make cisse earn his place back by coming off the bench or plying well in europe.
56 lukes26 // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:00 PM
thanks Sage!
you seem to be right
57 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:01 PM
dannyo
if ba goes left that means fergie plays centrally which would be a total waste and he would be lost I think.
58 ian7523 // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:02 PM
No defenders on the bench…
Worried about one of our CBs being injured, which unfortunately isn’t that remote of a possibility considering Staylor’s injury record.
That being said, think we’ve got this one. More worried about Nolan than Judas.
HWTL
59 niafron // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:02 PM
You know, in France, Half of the stadium would have shouted, without any kind of respect.
THis is also for this kind of things i like english football.
60 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:02 PM
toonbrother
also it’s easy saying bring back carroll but we didn’t pay for him in the summer so why we Ashley suddenly stump up the cash in January.
61 niafron // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:05 PM
I suspect we will have trouble with recovering the ball.
62 niafron // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:08 PM
Fergie clearly bring something concerning pitch spreading ( i hope it mean something in english, but anyway, i’m sure you get my point!).
63 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:10 PM
Benny is unreal like
64 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:11 PM
ben arfa what an amazing player
65 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:12 PM
Better ball from benny and a great chance for Ba.
Good counter though
66 dannyhunt // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:12 PM
is anyone else having streaming problems? my usual link is blocky and cant get a steady stream!!
67 Jamesthefirst // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM
Those saying we should buy Carroll in Jan:
We can’t. He is not allowed to play for 3 clubs in one season. We have to wait until the summer before placing any bids.
FA rules
68 Oleg G // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:16 PM
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69 niafron // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:18 PM
Exactly what i feared, our midfield is too lightweighted, so we are running after the ball.
70 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:18 PM
how many more times do i have to come on this board and say that gutierrez should not be in 1st team!he’s giving the ball away too easily!already on several occasions in this game..
apart from commitment i don’t understand why some of you like him as a player
71 JAMSHA // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:20 PM
I WANT DZEKO AT SJP…. WORLD CLASS
72 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:20 PM
ben arfa amazing but his final pass must be better!that pass to cissé should’ve put him one on one with the keeper but it did’nt…he needs to improve on that
73 PonderingSnail // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:25 PM
Simpson lacks imagination, his floaty crosses that never lead to anything are SO FRUSTRATING
74 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:25 PM
sorry to see jonas off injured but its for the best
75 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:25 PM
And the Injuries continue. Its getting beyond a joke now
76 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:26 PM
Snail
Agree on that.
I know it is a lot to work on beating a man and putting in a cross under pressure.
But in sure Simmo could learn to put a bit of pace into crosses when he has time. It’s not that hard if you are stood in 5 yards of space
77 niafron // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:27 PM
Ba rather than Saylor or Cab?
78 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:27 PM
blessing in disguise
dont want any injureys to anyone
79 PonderingSnail // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:28 PM
TS,
Precisely. It’s not that he lacks the skill to do it, he just doesn’t think about the pass. He’s more about getting rid of the ball than creating something realistic.
80 JAMSHA // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:29 PM
Toonbrother
Ur happy jonas is out? who do u wana replace him with? Alan.Smith?….
81 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:30 PM
Toon Brother, its for the better to lose a player. Are you mental?
82 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM
Munster
I think toon brother means that Anita will bring more to te game than Jonas.
Not that he wants people injured our missing just than Anita could influence the game more
83 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM
Catchy, if you mean re Guti, thats a ridiculous comment too.
84 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:32 PM
Jeez
Are we back to being happy about our lads getting injured?
Give your heads a shake for ffs theres no blessing in not having jonas
85 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:34 PM
we’re playing terrible. doesn’t matter who’s on the pitch or injured! apart from ben arfa we have no creativity
86 Honoured2BNUFC // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:34 PM
You call yourself a “toon brother” but is happy one of our players is injured. Go support another team.
87 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:34 PM
simpson :solid as usual.
88 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Tads
It not a blessing to be without a player as it weakens the squad.
It is a blessing he has left the pitch as this season he has done nothing with the ball.
I appreciate he works hard and defends well but at the same time he lays mainly on the left and that position requires attacking threat too, he hasn’t offered that at all this year.
89 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:36 PM
@munster mag. You’re obviously retarded.
90 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:38 PM
We look so much steadier in midfield with Anita on the pitch. Top notch player
91 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:38 PM
Yes, I’m obviously retarded Toonbrother, you genius.
92 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:38 PM
Inspiring stuff so far.
93 Blaydon-Toon // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:39 PM
Hey people what’s the reflection on the game so far ?
94 niafron // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:39 PM
You, know, my english isn’t perfect, but do have the commentator something against NUFC?
95 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:39 PM
Is anybody else watching Fox Soccer plus. Any thoughts on the commentators?
…I am speechless at times!
96 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM
Munster
I’m not having a go here, just wonder your opinion.
Would you have Jonas starting in the team based on form this year?
97 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM
bollocks
98 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM
boring game both teams not able to pass the ball see fkin hell
99 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM
Sage
Up to this point in the season niether has tiote, anita, cabs n benny on a regular basis in fact none of our team have played well this season but jonas has been made the scapegoat, even for colocinnis shocking defending against pool it was jonas getting blamed
Oh well he’s off now but thats okay cos atleast ferguson is on who apparantly should now be a starter and has revolutionised the way we play now jonas is off i fully expect to win 5-0 possibly 6-0 if ba decides to stop being selfish and just leave the pitch
100 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM
Argh that hurts
101 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM
FFS man. What is going on, are we acyually going to ever start playing this season
102 JAMSHA // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:41 PM
Transfer Sage
Hasnt he offered extra defence cover this season…? wen we play shit atleast the lad helps the defence…runng up n down whole 90min…giveng his heart n soul for the team
103 mattnufc // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:42 PM
We must not practice passing in training, it gets worse every game.
104 Steve_48 // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Explayers always scoring against us …
105 nufc786 // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:42 PM
arhhhhghhhh
106 TheToonKing // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM
I agree about the commentators…. so arogant, anti nufc, i wanna punch them..
107 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM
Shit they scored but jonas isnt on the pitch who do we blame!!!!
108 nufc786 // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM
thts tough to take
109 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:43 PM
aaah my eyes it’s killing me to watch this game and this newcastle team!
what’s this with pardew’s long ball tactics??!
110 Marty-Toon // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:44 PM
We deserve to be behind,not that they’ve been better than us but we don’t look bothered and don’t look like a home team.
Passing is useless
111 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Tads
My criticism of Jonas was him playing on the left as I said.
So therefore I can only compare him to other wide players.
From what I have seen I think fergie has put in much better crosses and been more influential in attacks during his time on the pitch.
I also feel obertan and sammy, whilst not being consistent through a full game have also offered more attacking wise.
I’m not saying we will win or even play better with a different man on the left but I am saying Jonas has had 10 games doing it and hasn’t impressed so therefore I think somebody else deserves a run at it.
I think Jonas is better in a defensive midfield role but only as part of a three man midfield not part of a two.
112 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM
@transfer sage youre wasting your time. Anyone with common sense understands the nuanced point you’re trying to make. Unfortunately many NUFC fans only see things in black and white (pun unintended).
113 PonderingSnail // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM
I tell you what, whoever this co-commentator is, he’s an absolute pr*ck! Just whinging about bth sets of players, not adding anything at all to commentary. Dogsh*t.
114 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Transfer Sage, I’d have him in my team a lot, but centrally rather than on the wing. Pardew is a defensive manager and Jonas puts in huge yardage tracking back and he is , without a shadow of a doubt, one of his fav players. I would play Santon at right back and get a decent left back in who can attack and defend. I dont have an issue with 4-4-2 at all, as it gets both Cisse and Ba on the pitch up top, but we dont use good wingers to make that system work. As for people slagging off 4-4-2, Ferguson has used it for years and hasnt had any problems has he?
115 Klam3r // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Awful tactics, awful play… and Ba and Cisse must not play together!! 442 is ancient, a formation i expect norwegian teams to play. Not us! I’m afraid Pards is playing this just to please Ba :/
This is not control Alan Pardew
116 JAMSHA // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:45 PM
1-0.down good goal.nolan…respect to.him for not celebratng….. still 2nd half to come sure we gona score 2 goals….
many teams did a come back after going goal down….so
time for a come back…howays
117 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM
cabaye is not in form and ba plays more in midfield than up front!pardew has been smoking something u guess
118 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM
I can’t even make a synopsis of our game plan/approach, it’s just a hodge-podge of nothing in particular.
119 Marty-Toon // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:47 PM
Why do we have to wait to go behind before starting to play
120 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:47 PM
Jamsha
I have never being critical of Jonas defending. I said in my posts he does this well.
My point is that if Simmo gets criticism for not attacking enough as a full back why is Jonas not criticised for not attacking enough when played as a winger.
I think his defensive play has been superb but as a winger that’s a secondary job, his primary job is to get forward and help with attacking.
121 Manx Magpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:47 PM
This co-commentator on Fox Soccer plus is shocking, can’t bare to listen to him anymore.
122 dmac // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Sometimes its painful being a toon fan.
123 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Ferguson is putting in a mature performance i have to say
124 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:49 PM
Sage
Come off it how many games has jonas played as winger this season??
He’s prob started 6-7 there but has dropped middle in every single game and has finished there
Fergie can cross but thats it his positional sense is shocking and the lad gets pushed off the ball by a strong wind he’s certainly not the player a few on here build him up to be
125 NUFCarter // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Fox soccer commentators won’t stop moaning we know it’s a bad game shut the fuck up ‘what’s he doing there’ ‘again he runs off side’ ‘see look you can’t do that in the premier league’ bloody dick head I’m pissed off as it is seeing us play like this every week but to have u rambling on in the background makes me even more pissed off
126 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Transfer Sage, Guti has more influence on the teams defensive strength that Simpson. I’m beginning to get worried about Newcastle but hope to improve.
127 PonderingSnail // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:50 PM
And the play by play cmmentator just said that BenArfa’s shot had gone in. How are these men broadcasting?
128 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Munster
I think any formation works providing the players you use suit it.
Man utd and city both have played 442 this year and done well.
What I think is 442 with Jonas left means we have no width. That’s why I would play fergie/sammy/obertan to try and get forward more and deliver a cross.
Jonas has had 10 league games and not done enough on the left. Centrally like you say he can offer something but no longer out wide other than defending
129 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:50 PM
santoon excellent as usual
130 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:51 PM
mike dean what a disgrace
131 hotdog // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:51 PM
we are clueless going forward! apart from Ben Arfa. This is worying as West Ham are very average and if we cant get at that back four we need to start dropping these purple players.
How many blind alleys does santon run down – The kid has not got a clue when he gets to the edge of the box.
132 breno95 // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:51 PM
By all accounts it appears to be another pretty poor showing at SJP today.
Fergie gets a start but plays LB and AP moves Santon onto LM. AP persists with the Demba’s up front which has yet to work all season – how much longer until he realises it’s no good.
If they want to win this game then this needs to happen:-
Cisse off at half time for Obertan. Ba on his own.
Take Fergie off for Bigi and drop Santon back to LB.
Going into 2nd half we will flat back 4 a 5 man midfield with Anita and Bigi holding play with width and pace re HBA and Oba and push Cabaye higher for a less shackled role to play balls in behind fir Ba or direct into his feet.
If that happens we will win and play better football. If it stays the same steady yourselves for another dismal display and poss defeat.
133 TheToonKing // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:52 PM
poor again.
134 JAMSHA // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:52 PM
Transfer Sage
dats bcoz santon.loves to attack…n jonas is coverng him in defence…if we hav a LB who will defend more than.attack…den suerly ul.see jonas back attackn..;-)
135 niafron // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:52 PM
At least, we reacted.
Wich leave us with a painfull question:
Why the hell didn’t we play like that since the start?
136 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Sage
Jonas has not played 10 games on the wing he was central vs liverpool he’s central today, dropped lb vs WBA played very central in the majority of the game vs manure chelski
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138 mattnufc // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:53 PM
@breno95
I wonder how you’re not a manager.
139 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Tads
We have played 442 every game as Jonas has started in the league so 10 games, today was his 11th and he played centrally so I think 10 is the right amount.
And when he has started there he has done nothing offensively, he rarely gets forward and when he does the final ball is shocking.
I’m not trying to be awful to the lad as I like him and think he puts in a shift, playing for the team, I bet the defence loves him.
But if we continue to play him wide he is being wasted. Play him DM if pardew wants him on the pitch
140 NUFCarter // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Fox soccer commentator won’t stop bloody moaning we can see its a shit game I’m pissed off as it is. The other commentator is bored of it as well
141 toonking // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:54 PM
well i am starting to think when you have a player as ball greedy as HBA is then it’s no wonder we do so much hoofball.
142 Oleg G // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Why are we playing for 5 minutes better than the previous 40? Where all this passion, speed and will came from?
We can play better, so why don’t we?
Weird. Just Weird.
143 Toon Tang // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:55 PM
a little half time trivia question for yous – what do you see?? a testicle, an udder or an ear??
144 josh // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Why do we always turn up late. Every match without fail has been like it. Surely we can sort it out. And does anyone know how to get rid of the adverts on the streams. Mine will not go
145 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:56 PM
breno pardew hasnt moved santon to left midfield or fergie to left back. Ferguson isnt comfortable carrying the ball so he simply defers to Santoon when play switches to that side of the pitch.I think both have played well today but I’d like to see marveaux come on for fergie. meanwhile the Demba ba , cisse partnerhip continues to flop
146 stuart no9 // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:57 PM
dire, dreadful, a joke really. very very worrying times.
147 hotdog // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:57 PM
toonking – can you name me another player that looks like he can beat a man and create something?
148 Graeme // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:58 PM
This is just so bad to watch, we are clueless. Neither team deserve to be in front but, shit happens!!
Stat of the day. The last time NUFC came from a goal down, to win the game, was in October 2010, against WHU and our Goal Scorers? Yes, you guessed it, Nolan & Carroll
149 Rowan Milsted // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:58 PM
Hmm.
I thought the first 15 mins were really good, especially for 2 teams continually accused of playing hoofball.
Then we lost our way a bit and WH looked the better team. I think we’ve defended well but once again we just don’t have the cutting edge going forward. We’re simply not creating enough chances for Ba and Cisse. Their goal was a bit lucky but Nolan adjusted well and, fair play, didn’t celebrate.
We looked good in the last ten mins – again it takes going behind to rally us – and had a couple of decent chances, Cabaye and Fergie both unlucky. For me HBA has been our MOTM so far, such a dangerous player and so great to watch. I love Fergie’s battling spirit, he gives it his all. Just hoping he can get one of his great crosses in – we know he can do it.
Carroll’s been marked very well, really pleased with Stevie T and Willo so far. But we have to do better going forward.
Come on boys, big second half please. Hopefully WH will sit back and invite pressure on. HWTL
150 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:59 PM
I’m bored of the Jonas argument now and exactly where he plays.
Ill state my point one last time.
This season and last season he offered next to nothing going forward. Barely any goals or assists. That’s more than enough games to show if he still has it, he just doesn’t.
He defends and works hard, therefore if he is to play get him in dm, that’s where he has done well this season and the end of last season.
Try playing people out wide who get forward and cross a ball.
No other good teams in the league have a left winger who camps in his own half and doesn’t get forward.
No criticism of Jonas as a player/man, he is trying his best and working hard he just can’t deliver as an attacking player anymore.
151 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:59 PM
the main reason we’re behind is because lawrenson predicted us winning. The man is a jinx. Best we can hope to get out of today is a draw
152 colwell // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:59 PM
Well once again we start the game with 2 players (HBA,Santon) and the rest walk around punting the ball any where they can.
We are so poor this season, I can understand a European hangover but most of them don’t even play in it. We have look so unfit in every game WTF is going on?
153 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 3:59 PM
Also want to add
I may be critical of him here but at the games I support every single lad on the pitch
154 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Perhaps Pardew, behind the scenes, is putting too much emphasis on not being beat, which is leading to this complacency, as we’re on target for that at the beginning of the match. Where’s the ruthlessness a d desire to crush the opposition from the outset? It’s bizarre and the disconnect I feel watching a timid, cautious NUFC is very repelling – I don’t identify with it, it’s not our way, particularly when we have the roster of attacking players we have – something is inhibiting them and its hgt to be the managers instructions, methodology etc.
155 Rowan Milsted // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Oh, and we should have had a f***ing penalty.
156 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:01 PM
@hotdog THAT WAS NOT HIS POINT!
157 AusMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:01 PM
Why does it take a conceded goal for us to start playing? Every week.
Pardew needs to wake up and smell the roses. Jonas can’t play anymore and Ba & Cisse don’t work well together. I’m sick of Cisse trying to do something flashy every time the ball comes near him – this is why he doesn’t score.
—————— Ba ———————–
Sammy ———————- Ben Arfa
——– Cabaye — Amalfitano ———
—————– Anita ———————
Santon – Saylor – Willo – Simmo
——————- Krul ——————–
I’d love to see this lineup to start the second half and have the lads PUSH instead of lobbing all these dead-end balls.
158 NUFCarter // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:01 PM
I really think we can win but if we play shit like we normally do every second half then I can’t see it can’t get much worse than the first so c’mon lads Pardew give an encouraging team talk and send the lads out on high Williamson and ba to get the win it for the toon. There goal was so jammy it’s not like there playing good
159 @timuJ // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:01 PM
I think the point has been reached when nobody can accuse anyone else of being a negger. This is truly alarming. There is a fundamental problem with this team. It has to be a mental issue because we have some excellent players in the squad.
Out-passed and out-thought by an average team who are themselves playing poorly. Second half better give us something to faintly smile about.
160 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:02 PM
I’m still sticking with my 2-2 prediction, but I’m very concerned about how we are regressing . And we are. Unfortunately to say that means I’m called a Negger. How daft.
161 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:02 PM
btw cabaye is having a shocker by his standards
162 Graeme // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:02 PM
I’m using first row sports, its a fox re-broadcast but so far it is excellant
163 Blaydon-Toon // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:02 PM
Ffs my Sunday is going from bad to worse missed a pen this morning and got a red card and now this … Had a gut feeling we might come unstuck today hope I’m wrong !
164 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:02 PM
What did I say? Who was at fault for the first goal? Who played Nolan onside? If we lose today 1-0, who has cost us the game? We need to bring Marveaux on and bring off Simpson. Everytime Simpson gets the ball he does a poor dink into the box.
165 El Sleeve // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:02 PM
8 years of this…. dear lord
santon and fergie need switching, get cisse off for obertan, hba supporting ba, fergie and gabby wingers, simple.
this is west ham, not barcelona, pèlease for the love of god, just attack them!
166 breno95 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:03 PM
@mat
Oh but I am or should say was.
Football is a piss easy game my friend made out to be harder than it is.
Even you must see the Demba’s together don’t work, that Anita is a very good footballer, Fergie is too slight for this league and constantly asking players to play out of position ain’t going to make for good football.
The performances to date mate are the proof of the pudding because as yet out of 18 or so competitive games not one has delivered a good display.
167 lukes26 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Cisse is the weak man at this moment…unfortunately…offsides most of this season and trying too hard.
Shola on after 10 minutes if things dont change
Newcastles bossing this game, just need some luck
168 niafron // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:03 PM
They are lucky to be honnest, but we made nothing to deny them this luck.
By our lack of agressivness, we let Miss Fortune decide of our fate.
169 stuart no9 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM
is it coincidence or have we got progressively worse since AP got that lucrative 8 year deal that he thinks hes earned.?
170 josh // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM
@kets. Why have you not killed yourself yet? Just curious.
171 toonking // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM
hotdog
why can people give simmo and jonas so much critism with lack of crosses yet give HBA praise for trying to mimic messi and forget how many times he wastes the chance to do a good pass.
to be able to do messi you need to still pass more than HBA has been doing because if player stay greedy then opposition will know they just over crowd him.
172 El Sleeve // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:04 PM
who came on for jonas?
173 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Cabaye is overrated by many on this site. Was being valued at 25 mill last summer by some of the goons on here.
174 Newcastle for alltid // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:05 PM
This is just hopeless. No attacking plan whatsoever. Waiting for a brilliant moment from Ben Arfa is no game plan. And how many teams nowadays play effectively with two strikers in a 4-4-2 system? I would work if the strikers were very different, like one fast and technical player, and one larger, strong header of the ball. We have two of the latter playing together. They make the same runs, and both wants to finish the attacks. The problem with this is that we don’t have anyone to occupy the areas behind the strikers. We should revert to a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 system as soon as possible even though we have two egosentric strikers who both want to be in the middle scoring goals. Put one of them on the bench or sell one of them! The midfield suffers, Ben Arfa suffers, and the team as a whole suffers.
And what is the point in aiming for Williamson when we have corners and free kicks? He may be tall, and that makes it statistically probable that he will reach the ball, but what use is it if he has no clue as to what to do with the ball?
And don’t get me started with Jonas. He’s way over his prime, and it may be time for him to move on.
The team which I think would be the most effective for us today would be in a 4-2-3-1-system:
Krul
Simpson – Saylor – Williamson – Santon
Anita – Bigirimana/Cabaye
Obertan – Cabaye/Marveaux – Ben Arfa
Ba
175 Rowan Milsted // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM
ketsbia
To be fair I think Simmo’s played well. Has made several good tackles. It’s harsh to blame him for the goal – it pinged its way to Nolan and caught everyone (except Nolan) off guard.
I do agree with you about his crossing though – it’s shite.
176 geordie1892 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Chin up lads, we always turn up for at least one half so it has to be the 2nd!
3-1 Ba, Hba and Cisse
HWTL !!!
177 PonderingSnail // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM
here ye gan lads
http://lsh.lshunter.tv/streams/1/lshtv21.html
178 hotdog // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM
toonbrother – so what was his point?
179 JDdubai // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Same as all season, no idea, nosmoothness in passing, feels like every pass is forced, cisse is horrendous again, afraid he’s gone all torres.
Dont know what to do, who to bring on, will be more of he same, only option is shola and play long ball.
How have we regressed to this after the second half of last season?????
180 barkerslovesnufc // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Don’t worry lads/lasses… We ain’t played well but we still in it
181 geordie1892 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Well there goes my prediction hahaha
182 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:07 PM
Cisse taken off. Rightly so
183 El Sleeve // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:07 PM
ok so we finished with
krul
simmo willo saylo fergo
hba cabs anita santo
ba cisse
all we’ve done is replace cisse with shola, great hardly mixing it up
184 Rotonda heights // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM
just how many games has Pardew had and how many more will it take for him to realise the dembas don’t work in a 442.
They do in a 433 with BA out left, but we know BA won’t play there any more so for god’s sake why hasn’t Pardew got a plan B?
185 Toon Tang // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM
im gunna do 10 more min to see how it pans out then im sticking on chelsea whipping liverpoo hahah coomeee on tooonnn
186 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM
I think APs preoccupation with ‘control’ plays a large part in it too. I think it tends to put the reigns on our natural high-tempo at home, that the crowd responds to and can get behind. Just allow for some natural self-expression! It’s HBA or bust at the mo’.
187 hotdog // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM
we dont play to cisse’s strength he is a poacher and reacts quick in the box. The problem is we dont create pressure and chances in the box.
188 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM
Didn’t blame Simpson for the goal, it was Willo’s fault.
Cabaye has had only one outstanding game and that was against Villa away. We need to sell Cabaye and Tiote and sign up Boudebouz, Sissokho and Kim Kallstrom.
189 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM
ferguson has earned his place today.Really impressed
190 NUFCarter // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:09 PM
Fox soccer commentator ‘I can see why cisse has come off bhe just runs in straight lines and doesn’t do anything.’F off u ain’t got nothing nice to say about nufc
191 El Sleeve // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:10 PM
shouldve bought on oberatn for cisse and bigi for fergie
krul
simmo saylo willo santo
anita bigi
hba cabs obertan
ba
why wouldnt he just play something attacking like this istead of rehashing his crap formation
pardewsaurus indeed
192 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:10 PM
I’m off for today chaps.
Going to enjoy the game in peace.
I am sick of people on here being either overly negative or overly positive.
Criticising players for nothing is silly.
Thinking the sun shines out of our teams behinds and that they are all above criticism and doing so makes you less of a fan is also silly.
Enjoy the game fellows and I predict a fighting 2-1 win to the toon
193 NUFCarter // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Guiterez on his way to hospital not good news
194 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:11 PM
eXCELLENT RELEASE BY KRUL
195 jimiley // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:12 PM
I had a feeling Nolan might score. He may score a dozen goals or so but he is not in the same class as Jonas who cannot score for toffee. Spidey suit is mothballed. We just need to be patient and it will all come good. Come on Captain Jonas, score one and break the habit of a lifetime!!!
196 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:12 PM
Has anyone ever thought of playing Marveaux in a more attacking midfield role just behind the strikers? I’d put Ben Arfa on the left, Obertan on the right and Marveaux on for Cabaye.
197 El Sleeve // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:13 PM
ba is such a selfish player, shouldve played fergie in for a decent cross
198 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:13 PM
we look a far more balanced team with Shola and one of Ba/Cisse on the pitch. Which is why im in favour of bringing a Carroll-type striker in January and letting one of the senegalese fellas go
199 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Pardew has made a rod for his own back in signing Cisse. A beautiful finisher, but doesnt appear to offer much else. Reading about how our transfer system works internally, I’ve often worried who is running the show. In a proper set up, the manager dictates all. From what Pards has said publicly, Carr first sees the player and they go from there. So who is dictating how the team plays football, and is the transfer system being designed to find talented youth, and players who have “fallen off the radar” , rather than being dictated by the managers footballing beliefs. I’ve liked Pards from day 1, but I am getting concerned. Beyond creating hard working teams with good shape and ethic ( all important ) , what else is his football philosophy?
200 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:14 PM
we should practice simple technical stuff like short passes on the ground, movement off the ball
201 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:15 PM
@kestbaia or you could play him in front of Cabaye and Anita. I agree he’d make an excellent attacking midfielder
202 niafron // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:15 PM
All these balls falling from the sky…
Would have make cry of joy a german air force general.
203 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Diame is looking a shrewd signing, have to say.
204 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:16 PM
munster mag
i think your living in the past, jonas, does not cover the ground he once did,
and i think your mad if you would put jonas in your team
when 1, he is no longer our best left winger 2. not one of our better DMF, perch bigi and anita all do this job better, bigi and anita are both better at tackling and passing, perch better at tackling,
both sammy and ferg are better on the lft wing, , santon at left back,, where would you put him???
205 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:17 PM
if we’re lucky well get a draw today
206 hotdog // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:17 PM
Munster – Pards cant do eveything thats why you have the scouting network headed by carr. He will guide them on the type of players he is after though.
207 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:18 PM
It ain’t pretty, but, howay King Shola!!
208 Toon_Jock // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:20 PM
Anita is Rapid… must be a way to get Gabby’s pace linked in with his?
209 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:20 PM
Munster Mag
pards likes a hard working team,, but his teams lack shape,
you like obertan,, please do me a fav,, watch when he plays, he is every where esle other than where he should be,,
when he is in the right wing, he cuts in to midfield way to much for a guy with his speed, his game should be stretching the othe team
210 dubzy // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:20 PM
soooo poor 2 watch
211 davis_toons // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Diame was good…
212 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:22 PM
we’re being outplayed by an awful west ham team and that sums up everything
213 NUFCarter // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:22 PM
1-0 to Chelsea suck on it Liverpool
214 dubzy // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:24 PM
8 years of this sh*t …no thanks
215 jimiley // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:24 PM
I think we are playing more long balls than Allardyce. Sack Pardew and bring back a proper long ball exponent. Only joking but in all honesty we are a long ball team.
216 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:24 PM
Catchy, thats rubbish. You may be right that Guti may be fading or isnt as good as before at the moment, , but clearly Bigi isnt trusted yet to defend midfield in prem games, and Fergie hasnt shown himself to be a better left winger yet either. And Anita hasnt shown himself to be a better defensive midfielder either. Players valiue guys like Guti and ave said as much this season – he takes up good position, is always available for the ball, works his socks off, cons refs all day long with frees , and wins plenty of fair free kicks too. Santon isnt a good defender ( although he is clearly a good player ) and I think Pards’ defensive mindset like Guti there.
217 hotdog // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:25 PM
we are not having much luck with the ball dropping but how many corners and crosses have we had ffs
218 NUFCarter // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:25 PM
So many Newcastle matches have been so frustrating this season
219 geordie157 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:26 PM
Some fresh faces are definately needed in January, ones that can pass a football and create chances. Sissoko and Boudebouz please! We are becoming one of the most frustrating sides to watch
220 NUFCarter // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:26 PM
Newcastle can’t do short corners so why do we do them!!
221 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:26 PM
222 niafron // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:26 PM
Oh my…
Waht exactly said Pard?
223 jimiley // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:26 PM
We always play poorly after a midweek game. I think the lads might be tired.
224 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:26 PM
Catchy, if you can find a post where I rate Obertan, you’re a better man than me. I dont think Obertan will make the grade ( 1st team ) at NUFC, not unless we get worse. He may be needed today though, if we stick with 4-4-2.
225 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:27 PM
we cant we just pass the ball to each other??that’s the essence of football
226 TheToonKing // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:27 PM
If this stays the same, I wouldn’t want to be one of the players in the dressing room, Pardew is absolutely fuming!
227 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:27 PM
Well said before the game we miss nolans fight and goals today were missing both qualities we have no fight in that midfield no determination need someone to take the game by the neck and go for it
228 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:27 PM
We need Obertan for Ferguson.
229 niafron // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:28 PM
You, know i feel like being on a lost plane. Wich is strange for a plane who still have to get off the ground.
230 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:28 PM
ben arfa isn’t so amazing! needs to play it simple sometimes
231 NUFCarter // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Bloody hell HBA sometimes you have to look for the simple option
232 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:29 PM
exactly:)
233 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:29 PM
TheToonKing
As well he should be pards will cop the blame for the display but the team have been shocking
234 geordie157 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:30 PM
I don’t like to be too negative, but so far this season i havent seen one good performance from,
Cisse, Jonas and Tiote. I’d sell all three in January if good offers were made.
Swap Cisse for Siem De Jong
235 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:30 PM
I know I said I was done for the day but have to say this.
Pardews tactics may be questionable but my god we have some very talented players who cannot seem to pass a ball 5 yards and put 3 together. The players are more at fault for our poor form than pardew.
236 davis_toons // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:30 PM
barkerslovesnufc // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Don’t worry lads/lasses… We ain’t played well but we still in it
We all hope so …as well…thats all Newcastle United…
237 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:31 PM
we’re slipping away in the table…what worries the most is our style of play and our lack of chances and goals!
i think it’s about time the likes of vuckic,campbell and so get their chance
238 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:31 PM
i have to disagree there munster,,,
and although i dont have access to the stats,, im sure they would back me up in saying , jonas dont run half the distance he did last year,, he gives the ball away a lot,
but your right about pards not trusting players,,
and your also right to worry about pards, he has no plan b, we are a very poor football team, but we have some good players,
hot dog
carr scouts and brings players to the club,, pards has to shape them into a team,, this i feel he is failing big time,,
cisse, get balls to him in the box, and he will score, hmmm not many balls going into the box
all free kick directed to williamson,, he never looks like scoring
239 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:31 PM
Was branded a neggar etc, during the summer, because I dared to suggest that AP has reached the summit of his arc at NUFC and was entering a downward trajectory. Unfortunately I was correct. Think he’ll survive this season and will be packing his bags, early next season.
240 dubzy // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:33 PM
omg shocking
241 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:33 PM
we only rely on individual skill, our tactis are no tactics at all. i think pardew’s only talent is he can motivate players but we are so poor it’s schocking
242 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Catchy
From what I read of Carr.
He scouts players, brings a list to pardew who says I want a forward and a right back (example) and Carr says this is what I have seen.
But as Carr said in an interview, pardew has final say in the name he gives to llambias to go and negotiate for.
243 NUFCarter // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:34 PM
I could actually cry it’s so frustrating
244 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:34 PM
cabaye non existent
245 davis_toons // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Why did Simpson PAss back when there is no Newcastle player behind him?
246 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Sage
Completly agree mate cant blame pards for full internationals not being able to pass a ball 10 yards ffs!
247 hotdog // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:34 PM
who the fu** was picking up nolan there. the ball got played out and 5 newcastle defenders were 20yards off him, switch on u muppets
248 Sambo from belgium // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:34 PM
This is the worst game I’ve seen this season…
249 darrenfletcher88 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Shit
250 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:36 PM
game lost again
251 dubzy // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Swansea gunna murder us nxt wk lol
252 davis_toons // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:37 PM
A SUPER Save by TImKURL!! Counld have been 0-2
253 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:37 PM
Tads
It could be argued that we aren’t dominating games due to formation, etc
But at the end of the day the guys should be able to pass a ball.
The Spain manager compared cabaye to xavi a couple weeks ago so he is clearly good.
None of the lads in the team offer any movement.
Early in the game Williams played a long ball which went out for a goal kick then mouthed off at players around him as not one have him an option.
No wonder we go long if nobody is showing for the ball.
254 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:37 PM
ts
i read that to,, but in the summer i started to dout that,, if that where the case we would have a RB or CB,, we ended up with midfielders,, pardew will not say anything,, he has a job to protect
255 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:37 PM
ben arfa is also very poor today he’s too individual on several occasions!
256 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:38 PM
I certainly think we have some decent players and that puts its own pressure on Pardew , to make them play. I’m beginning to wonder of we have had one decent game yet this season in the league? If we sell Demba Ba, we could be in deep do-do. Has Cabaye picked up a yellow yet – he’ll surely do something cynical soon?
257 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Catchy
From what I gather pardew asked for debuchy and Douglas.
It wasn’t his fault we didn’t get then. Llambias an Ashley had a price for then and couldn’t negotiate it.
I bet behind the scenes pardew is tearing his hair out that these players weren’t brought in.
258 nufc1984 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:38 PM
1st time I’ve ever turned off a match but that was shocking. If ap is playing this way just to accomodate ba then he wants sacking!! The whole team looks disjointed and not even half as dangerous as last year when we made chances for fun. If this is the dross on offer at sjp this season I think I’ll be staying at home!!
259 jimiley // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:39 PM
Its easy to be critical. Pardew got us 5th last season so we just have to be patient and keep the faith in the manager and owner. When our players are back in form we shall race up the league. Who knows what we might win in the next 8 years. Keep the faith!!!
260 davis_toons // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:39 PM
We does have some good players BUT so does West Ham.
261 breno95 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:39 PM
AP wants to get a grip of this. No positives to pluck out of this for the post match comments.
Poor again.
262 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:39 PM
we need to take cabaye off fast
263 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:40 PM
this team is nothing like last season clearly there’s something else going on
coloccini was awful thursday
tiote not as good as he can be
cabaye out form
cissé ridiculous
gutierrez even worse than before
krul sometimes tactically bad decisions
ben arfa doesn’t seem to be learning to be a TEAM player
almost all our top players have become worse
264 davis_toons // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:40 PM
Diame should be in our team (cant believe we have not buy it from wigan) was he over price?
265 dubzy // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:40 PM
y wiv 10mins left
266 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Ts
I know what you mean its like 11 statues how many times today has ba cut the bsll in only fir no one to be in the box
Benny needs to start passing more he’s putting us under huge pressure with the amount of possesion he lose’s
267 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Presumeably Swansea will have about 60% possession and pass the ball all round us and make lots of chances. And we’ll do the usual passing around midfield, only for the end product to be a long ball, or a hoped for Ben Arfa mazy dribble.
268 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:43 PM
In fairness to Ben arfa
Half the time he has lost the ball he has had no options.
Same for all the players.
Nobody is showing for the ball at it results in either a long ball or somebody trying to do it themselves.
The players need to make better runs and movement to give people on the ball options
269 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:43 PM
Davis
No he was a free transfer!
270 geordie157 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:43 PM
right now Stoke are better to watch than this rubbish! ok that might be pushing it a bit, but at least Kightly can cross a ball
271 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:43 PM
allardyce’s team passes more than pardew’s
272 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:43 PM
But people have to be fair here. Lots of fans murdered Pardew because he didnt play Ben Arfa enough. The reason was that he loses the ball and doesnt work hard enough to defend. That seems to be coming through again.
273 dubzy // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:44 PM
sums it up nicely ………..
274 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:44 PM
looks like cabaye cannot cope with playing midweek
275 davis_toons // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:45 PM
The players need to make better runs and movement to give people on the ball options – good one..
276 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:45 PM
Munster
I said that earlier too.
I fully believe you be to give a manager 2-5 years to mould a team, the time is influenced by how much he can spend in the transfer market and how quickly he gets people in and settled.
277 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:45 PM
TS
come on,, do you believe that,, anita is a good player,, and he cost 6.5,,
douglas, many stories behind that one,
debuchy, said many times he wanted to come,, they could have done a deal,, they offerd 4 mil, ( acording to the papers) i would have paid 8 for him,, he was one of frances best players in the summer,,
its not just the transfers,, pardew is crap full stop,, we finished 5th last year,
3 reasons
1 chelsea , the players did not play for AVB and got him sacked
2 liverpool,, KING KENNY killed them
3, blind luck,, we did not play well many times last year 2
278 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:46 PM
Nufcursed
There’s some underlying fundamental reason, I agree. Some discord behind the scenes between various parties, whether that be about ethos, signings missed (both AP and the top players disgruntled about it) etc – seem to be pulling in many directions, illustrated by the lack if support the players give each other on the ball – there’s an alarming change of attitude simmering beneath the surface.
279 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:46 PM
all these comments point to the same thing: pardew’s has got his tactics all wrong
this is no way to let a newcastle team play!
all our attacking intent is gone
against brugge also
we could’ve beaten them 5-0 if we would’ve wanted to
but again we opt to go for the draw
pardew is a very defensive negative manager
280 dubzy // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:47 PM
THE NXT 6 GAMES
SWANSEA
MARITIMO
SOUTHAMPTON
STOKE CITY
WIGAN
BORDEAUX…..IF
281 darrenfletcher88 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:47 PM
Where not going to out this season,so poor it’s untrue
282 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:47 PM
Catchy
I do believe that.
Pardew said he wanted debuchy.e cannot do the deal, that’s up to llambias. If he undervalues him or messes the other clubs around then what do you expect.
Llambias was well publicised meeting FC twente officials for Douglas and de Jong and we never got them.
Pardew cannot be blamed or that, it is the money men.
283 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:48 PM
Catchy
A lot of truth there. Whether people like to hear it or not.
284 davis_toons // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:49 PM
ITs a very fair challenge! (Shola on Carroll, Nolan should not have complain)
285 El Sleeve // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:49 PM
enough of this negative tactics. i cant watch. might switch to rugby this year. save my time and energy
286 AusMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:49 PM
This team will be the death of me. If we don’t bring in raw quality during January I think I’m going to have no hair left!
287 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:50 PM
and btw anita isn’t that good as most of you think
he’s technically better than the average newcastle player but he won’t be a star player for us,
neither will obertan or marveaux
and another thing why do we have so many french players???
Newcastle United French Club
i think the best tactic these days is to play local players english born players who can identify with the fans
all these primadonnas earning big money but dont give their heart for the cause!
look at ferguson he’s the only one working his socks off
288 geordie1892 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM
Easiest 3 points westham will get all season. Absolute bollox!
289 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM
I think no matter what goes on behind the scenes, whos unhappy disgruntled what ever these players are payed more than most peoples annual salaries weekly and they are paid to do a job, there not doing it tactics formations etc shouldnt effect your ability to be able to make a 5 yard pass
290 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM
Transfer Sage
well someone needs to have a word with LLambass, he knows nothing about football,
again, anita is not a bad player,, i like him,, but debuchy is a better player,, so how he works values out is beyond me,,
but regards pardew,, he trains the players every day,, and that does not come accross when i watch them, we can not play football at all right now,
now that is pardew
291 hotdog // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM
if obertan is as lightening quick as some fans make out – how come he couldnt outpace his man there its a falesy!
292 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:52 PM
Shower of shite. If Pardew can not get international level players to pass the ball then there is something seriously wrong. I would love to see what Martin Jol could do with our squad
293 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:52 PM
we deserve to lose so it’s a fair scoreline
294 dreamboat // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:52 PM
How come we always lose against Sam Allardyce?
295 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:53 PM
91 mins,, obertan shit ball into the box, slowly jogs back,, clasic
hmmm,, who says he tracks back
296 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:53 PM
4-4-2 not good enough
297 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:53 PM
Nudcursed
Local lads won’t work. Not enough who are good enough.
Man city, man utd, Chelsea….all won the league using “overpaid primadonnas” as you put it.
The problem is they just aren’t playing well.
Catchy
Yes we did benefit from Chelsea and Liverpool last year but we earned that position too. Have to take the chance when you get it.
I agree we rarely looked good but got points.
Pardew now has the foundations and some talented players. He needs to get he balance between being solid and attacking.
298 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:55 PM
So much for fortress st James. Getting beat off promoted clubs now FFS. We were playing better football than this under Hughton other than a handfull of games last seadon, what a joke
299 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:55 PM
If it finishes like this, this’ll be the first really painful result this season. No positive spin or excuse will cut it and make me grant the benefit of the doubt.
300 nufc1984 // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:55 PM
playing like this just to accomodate demba ba up front? absolute crap!! dont deserve a point never mind 3! am glad sam alardyce has come back and taken a victory cause alan pardew has been shown up today! its a joke. never should be losing games like this. 442 is worst formation ever.
301 nufcursed // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:55 PM
there is no balance with pardew
it’s defend 100%
attack 0%
it’s clear to me pardew will never achieve something spectacular.
he might be a decent manager (still doubting that but ok) but that’s it nothing more
302 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:55 PM
Catchy
Dont think this is a game to single out individual players simply that apart from the defense who did ok everything up from them were a shower today
303 Spreadthetoon // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:55 PM
disgusted at the performance. Team has no belief, no shape and is a disgrace. Gutted we’re gonna loose at home to last years last place championship team to get promotion…..oh and the icing with f:king nolan scoring!
304 colwell // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Fu’k me we are shite
305 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Catchy
It’s well known llambias has no football experience. Therefore how can we expect him to accurately value players and the influence they would have on the team.
We need a chairman who is a football man to negotiate or at least be involved with it.
306 Ben3arfa // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM
SCREW PARDEW, SCREW ASHLEY , SCREW NOLAN ..
307 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Transfer Sage
the trouble for me is,, pardew has great attacking players,, but with his defensive mindset, he will never get the best out of them,,
308 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM
Pardew needs to think hard about this. Terrible showing.
309 jimiley // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM
The squad is too small to play in Europe. The players are tired. Perhaps two players from WHU would get in our team but they have been much better. I knew we would struggle as soon as we lost our best player and captain.
310 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM
Tide is turning on AP. The skeptics numbers will only swell from here on in. It’s terminal.
311 davis_toons // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM
We should have started defensively if we have known that West Ham was that good.. We are just not good enough for West ham..
312 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM
Nufc1984
Dont buy that at all you telling me that cisse would start scoring for fun just for tweaking the formation?
313 TheToonKing // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM
this was, i think, the worst game of our season. West Ham are crap, we should win these with ease…
Problem is were just getting worse and picking up injuries. I have no idea what next..
314 Toon_Jock // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:57 PM
that was the worst thing I’ve ever seen. Appalling display
315 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:58 PM
Pardew has to be the most negative manager in the PL. We never dominate games and sit on 1 goal leads. Pathetic
316 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:58 PM
Agree TADS
It was a poor team display today
317 catchy in norway // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:58 PM
TDS
it wasnt the players at fault,, its the manager,, he has no clue
318 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM
We don’t really create much do we; and when ever we do create something (Benny) it never really does get that dangerous!
Disclaimer: this is not an atemp to make a generalization even though a generalization is merely a foundational element of logic and human reasoning. It serves a purpose.
319 Tiote4PM // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM
Anita – Add zero to the team. Like playing with 10 men.
Boy is a joke.
320 Jam only For H.ben Arfa // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM
Santon, best player today again…& only HBA create solution with ferguson..it’s not enough!!!
321 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM
*attempt
322 jimiley // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM
Europe is def affecting our league form because we have a small squad. Its prob best not to be in Europe. I cannot see us finishing any higher than 6th this season. Real shame because who gives a monkeys about playing Maritimo. Who? Its a duffers cup and wrecking our league form.
323 Baro // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM
that was the worst game/performance/tactics game i have ever seen… wtf was that?
324 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 4:59 PM
Catchy
I’ve said that all season.
Pardew needs to let these lads of the leash and let then attack not make them ALL defend
325 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM
Gutless pretty much sums that up the players played with no fight or pride should have there heads hung coming off that pitch
326 El Sleeve // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM
nufc1984, this is the crux of the issue. we play 442 to accomodate demba ba when we should play him on the left so we are the most effective as a team
play 433, 4231, something adventurous. if it upsets ba, sod him and flog him, not having the club held to ransom over one player, no matter how good he is
327 AusMagpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM
Please sack Pardew. I can’t take another minute of his tactics.
328 niafron // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM
A painfull defeat.
The bonfire of vanity Savonarola would have probably said.
I sense an oncoming (and exhausting) argument over here, so i prefer to take the french leave ( in France, would you believe it, we say: “filer à l’anglaise” or to run in the english fashion).
Bonne soirée messieurs.
329 toonbrother // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM
lawrenson does it again
330 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM
When was the last time we dominated a PL game ?
331 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM
I agree that Pards is turning oit to be a very conservative manager, but as I posted before, how the hell can he talk about controlling the game when our poor long ball game just gives possession away. Sadly, guys like me have been heavily criticised on this site for blasting Ashley and Llambias for not getting the players that Pards so openly hinted that he wanted. Of course I dount that Debuchy would have made any odds today, but i’m afraid at NUFC , the powers that be see the cost of everything, and not the value. If you take the piss by offering 4mill for Debuchy, dont expect to be taken seriously, and do expect the sellers to become defensive. Of course, plenty of tools on this site will say that its great – because no-one will take the mickey out of NUFC in the transfer market. Yeah guys, whatever.
332 Marty-Toon // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM
That was the biggest piece of rubbish
333 NUFCarter // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM
Newcastle, top 5 side hahahahaha what a joke this was an imbarresment I’m normally positive but how can I be I said at half time we would win this how wrong am I. looked like Newcastle didn’t want to score they were just holding on to a 1-0 loss I always wander y fans predict we will lose on the poll but they got the right idea. We play like this every week so next time a voting for a loss against swansea
334 IITianToon // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM
Thanks Mr Pardew for ruining my Monday before my boss does..
335 El Sleeve // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM
jimiley, no its not! we play an entirely different team in europe and these are professional athletes getiing paid millions, if they cant play 2 games a week, what is the point?
336 Baro // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM
Krul
santon—–perch/streete—–tayls—–fergie
bigi—tiote
cabaye
ben arfa—-ba—-sammy
337 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM
Back to the drawing board I say and think hard about ‘killing your darlings’!
…is it just me but did Benny more or less disappear when Obertan came on and we changed formation? A real shame ’cause we need him visible to succeed!
338 qtoon // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM
We had a system that worked a treat last season at 4-3-3 so why persist playing 4-4-2 and float long balls and crosses in all day. It makes players like cabaye and anita look shite as there is no focus on passing and we’ve not played a decent match all season using it.
339 kingcarty // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM
Absolute garbage today.
To be fair, this reflects how we have been playing all season.
Can someone please tell me what Williamson is good at?
340 hotdog // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM
You cant fault the effort it is the quality that is lacking and movement. Fair play to West ham they worked hard to keep that lead but we have got to beat them at home.
Right im off cant debate that shite, maybe tomorrow, when im calmer!
341 MagPieMan // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:02 PM
Pardew was a F*****G muppet today. West ham are known now for hoofball and being physical, so why Did pardew not tell them to keep the ball down and pass? Terrible tactics, terrible display and no points. I’m convinced now that we aren’t even going to finish in the top eight. F*****G RAGING.
342 dreamboat // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:03 PM
I seriously thought the team would be up for this match. This was the chance to push on from the four points from last two matches. I thought we’d go on a good run now but looks like we fell at the first hurdle. Couldn’t beat a newly promoted team, these are the matches we should be winning.
343 Rotonda heights // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:03 PM
worst performance of the season.
Pardew well and truly found out. No plan B. Chasing the game and only 2 people in the box against a crappy west ham team!
Why was fergie left on? why doesn’t the midfield support the attack. week after week this awful negative 442 and endless long balls, it’s worse than watching Stoke. Totally totally clueless.
I think the players carr bought in over achieved last season but instead of building on it and playing fast flowing good passing football we’ve gone back to this complete and utter b…….ks. WHY…..!!!
344 Rowan Milsted // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:03 PM
We need:
1) Better wingers
2) A partnership between Ba and Cisse
3) Better offensive play
We’re solid and work hard off the ball, we play as a team but we haven’t had enough going forward all season. That’s a really disappointing result (though in my opinion West Ham being a promoted team has nothing to do with anything).
345 Ben3arfa // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:03 PM
A team with no depth and tired players .. FFS how do we go into a season in europe with 3 centre halves and 3 strikers ..
combined with average wingers (apart from ben arfa) ,, ashley that moron wanted us to ride our luck again ..
im so pissed off
346 nufc1984 // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:03 PM
Toon army down south – I reckon he’d have a better chance of scoring with Ben arfa pushed far further up the field. You trying to tell me Ben arfa flinging balls in the box rather than obertan, ferguson, etc would help cisse score more? I don’t think so. Hba was most effective roaming last year behind cisse when he didn’t have the responsibility of tracking back as much. It’s jut negative tactics. Mostly it lasts on Half and we pick up 2nd half but today we were crap from start to finish. I worry about Swansea next week, they can actually pass and will tear us a new one.
347 Beattie25 // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:03 PM
Sorry,
But I fcuking told you so!!!
Bye bye everyone!!
348 Spuggy // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM
No Collo, No Tiote (our two best players), Cisse way out of form, no super utility players like perch and raylor and this is what you get!
We don’t have the depth to play in Europe – it was a bad day when we got that, because the team needed strengthening and we didn’t.
349 JDdubai // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM
Nothing new here, been same all season. Luck had to run out eventually.
Also we dont score enough as we only have 2 in the box, both wingers dont get in the box when the ball is on the other and neither CM tries to get in there either.
We only have 2 people who want to score, hence why we are one of the worst offensive teams.
We need a rob lee type in CM, none of the ones we have will get more than 3 goals in a season in a 442.
350 2_goal_tino // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM
Absolutely diabolical performance, depressing to watch. The sad thing is that apart from Europa League that performance was only slightly worse than usual for this season. Pardew needs to turn this around, they just look lacklustre in everything they do. Games like today are when we miss tiote!
351 jimiley // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM
Pardew will come good. We just need to be patient. You have seen the teams today. In all honesty, would you rather have Pardew or Allardyce. Its a no brainer. Pardew got us 5th last season and given time we will soon be in the Champions league.
352 darrenfletcher88 // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM
Jonas not good enough!! Should be 4-3-3,if ba is not happy playing on the left,he can go for me!! West brom away last season,ba left cissie middle,Ben Arfa right,unplayable they were,solid 3 in the middle,easy, poor result today,realy poor,it’s going to be mid table this season!!!!
353 MagPieMan // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM
Ahhhhh, I’m F*****G RAGING, I need to break something.
354 NUFCarter // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM
Watching nufc will be the death of me I regret watching them all that time waiting for nufc to score and it never came to the want of not trying absolutely abysmal
355 FollowFollow // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM
I don’t know where to start so I’ll just add one thing. Amongst everything else the performance was tentative from the start. There was (was) no reason to lack confidence but it looked a bit like that.
356 colwell // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM
If Pards wants to play so defensive surely he should buy a fuc#ing defence first? Except Santon!
If this game doesn’t show how much we need a new striker I don’t know what will. We have not one striker who can run in behind and because of that we are easy to defend against.
Last point is how thick are our players maybe Cabaye,Santon and HBA pass and move all the rest stop after passing. Fu#k Pards get back too basics what ever you are doing hasn’t worked all season!
357 toonking // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM
this game today is has to be the worst game yet and after what i have seem from them i think last season was certainly a one off unless we have become the new everton.
some of the things that’s making us so poor are
1 so few players in the box
2. players like HBA wanting to show off which makes me wonder if they want to leave newcastle
3.the midfield ATM is clueless i don’t have a clue what the formation and position of the players are.
4.we probably are too short squad wise for both europa and premier league games together.
358 geordie157 // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM
Roll on next season, what a load of cr** that was!! i dont mind losing, but at least lose playing some decent football. Tactics are wrong, far too many players under performing.
359 Special K // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM
Genuinely one of the most atrocious games I’ve had the misfortune to watch, that’s been coming. We’ve been nothing short of pathetic this year, we abuse Sunderland for having Fletcher score all their goals but we’re no different, only Ba and Ben Arfa have scored this season (not counting Cisse’s fluke) and when West Ham took them out of the game we were well and truly f##ked.
Also what in the Lord’s name is up with our bloody set pieces, a lofted ball to Williamson that never gets won and if does is tame enough to be booted away. Pathetic. What’s up with playing long ball 442 after the success of that free flowing 433? That’s on Pardew. Pathetic.
How can the board justify not investing in our squad last summer in a bid to cement our place in the Top 6? Teams have figured us out and as a result we’ve dropped back into that Third Tier of the likes of Fulham & Everton.
Finally down 1-0 at home with West Ham sitting back and letting us have the ball…GET MEN FORWARD for Christ’s sake!!! It was unbelievable to see so many players jogging up, I’m not expecting all out Keeganesque attack but at least a bit of effort.
360 Transfer Sage // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:06 PM
Munster
I think in the transfer market we need to get the balance right.
Instead of spending 6.5 mil on anita why didn’t we just offer that for debuchy.
I understand Anita signing to play 3 in the middle bu we play 2 in the middle and he isn’t going to play ahead of cabaye and tiote.
I seriously think Llambias needs to go.
He clearly isn’t a football man. We need somebody who knows the value of the player.
nobody is annoyed we didn’t meet the valuation of debuchy…..its the way we went about it.
We should have had other targets ready if we weren’t going to meet the price and then pulled out the deaal much earlier and moved on.
361 NUFCarter // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:06 PM
If we don’t buy 3 or more players in the transfer window I’ll be hugely pissed off
362 toonheroes // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:06 PM
I seriously think we are getting worse game by game. When we have the ball there is no movement. We work hard when the opposition have the ball but when we win it back we just give it away again because there are no options.
It’s becoming so easy to play against us. Our strikers aren’t scoring and that’s affecting the whole team. Confidence is very low at the moment. We really do need a dynamo in the middle thats going to drive us forwards and no-one is taking up that mantle. Cabaye is a shadow of himself from last year. Perhaps still smarting from us not getting his mate over.
That’s my rant over. Very disappointed. Pardew needs to sort it out quick.
363 Munster Mag // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:07 PM
Miley – 6th – are you having a laugh? Are you one of those hopelessly positive guys on here who cant see problems no matter what you look at on the pitch? Thats as pointless as being relentlessly negative.
364 Tiote4PM // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:07 PM
Anita is diabolical. Doesn’t challeneg for the ball, weak, gets caught on the ball, slow at collecting and distributing, poor positioning…
This boy has been an awful purchase.
Does anyone agree?
365 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:07 PM
It is time to eat at the Birdsong household
Until tomorrow!
366 @timuJ // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:08 PM
I’d be interested to know our conversion rate from corners. It must be about 1 in 300 at least
367 keeganjr // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:08 PM
BORING BORING NEWCASTLE… Jesus christ.. West ham is shit.. Diame ruled the midfield alone.. we cant pass,cross,shoot,run etc.. Santon was good again.. i almost feel asleep.. so disapointing
368 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:10 PM
how the hell can pardew be blamed for that!!
cabaye was shocking fom the 1st whistle, ben arfa was shocking most of the game and fergie did nowt aswell even though most of the posters on here have called for him to start!
but ah well it looks like jonas has got a bad one so most of you’ll be happy with that!
shockin performance YES but not pardews fault at all!!
369 brighter // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:11 PM
This result was f*****g awesome.
We didnt work with stick together as we relied on the looooooong ball for the most of the play!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SHAMEFUL.
370 jimiley // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:11 PM
Munster,
Fact: we are a top 6 team. But we are rubbish at corners.
371 brighter // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:11 PM
This result was awesome.
We didnt work with stick together as we relied on the looooooong ball for the most of the play!!!
SHAMEFUL.
372 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM
tiote4pm eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmm NO!
373 Rotonda heights // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM
Aus magpie
ask west ham fans how they felt about pardew at the end!!
The guy has 1 good season and then is back to sh..te again the next.
With all our ball players we should be having a system that suits them.
In a sense pardew got lucky last season when a quirk of fate meant benny came in to the team when Raylor got injured. Pardew had to change the system to accommodate him and it worked a treat for Benny and cabaye and Cisse.
This defensive 442 is killing us and we’ve been awful to watch this season.
Losing at home to allardyce really hurts and carroll was very little threat in reality and fluffed his one good chance.
374 jimiley // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM
When did we last score a header direct from a corner. How many hundreds of games ago?
375 Gosforth Phill // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:12 PM
Time to stop this 442 borefest.the players don’t believe in it,you can see it.Midfield miles away from front 2.Lob it up,fingers crossed but no support from midfield.
I’m not bothered about losing,when we are this poor but I am bothered about trying to win the goddamn game.NOT GOOD ENOUGH.IN ANY LEAGUE!.
376 jimiley // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:14 PM
Rotonda,
Prepare for Carrolls return in the summer because thats the way we play. We will prob pay 15 mil for a player who will score half a dozen goals for WHU this season.,
377 NUFCarter // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:15 PM
I’m sorry Pardew but your time is over I haven’t been negative about you much at all since your time here but although I think your a good manager as seen last season but you’ve lost the plot this season. Nufc can play well I think you could be the problem that’s stopping them I can’t see how it’s changed so much from last season but the expectations r high and you can’t withstand but we can beat f****g west ham at home c’mon
378 Rotonda heights // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:16 PM
manxpie
pards is paid the big bucks to play a formation that gets the best of the phlyers. Benny, cabaye and cisse arguably our 3 best players don’t function in a 442, period.
We have seen that every game this season. It’s like Pardew will flog 442 to the death and hope something changes.
379 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:17 PM
and people saying long ball in the first half we hardly did it at all! second half yes wit shola on and thats why we did it but for me that was cabayes worst game he’s played for us he didn’t look bothered from the first whistle
380 manxpie // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:21 PM
well if you watched the game rotonda in the 1st half we were playin 443 for most of it with ba on the left!
it was a shockin performance by the TEAM full stop!
the only player that can hold his head uphigh is santon
381 Rotonda heights // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:23 PM
manx
it was
benny Guti cabs Fergie
Cisse Ba
382 magfly // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:46 PM
Cant belive the pardew bashing dont get on his back he could be sacked then you would be sorry give him time.
383 HullMag6 // Nov 11, 2012 at 5:46 PM
Glad I was at work then. Omg
Investment in January is critical. No competition for places = complacency. Or pardew needs to try something different or ask his mate fergie on hairdryer management techniques to sharpen them up
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