Has Newcastle Star Learned His Lesson Yet – We’ll See


Cheick Tiote, Newcastle’s Ivory Coast warrior, will likely return to the Newcastle side on Saturday against Swansea, now that he has served his three match ban in the Premier League for being sent of at Sunderland, when Newcastle were coasting in that game and 1-0 ahead through a Yohan Cabaye goal in the 3rd minute.

Cheick Tiote – in action against Norwich City

Cheick has played in the Europa league games but he picked up a yellow card last week in Brugge and will now miss the next game at home to Maritimo next Thursday night.

And the stats on Tiote’s yellow cards this season and the Evening Chronicle is reporting he’s played in only two games when he has not received a yellow card or a sending off form the referee in the nine appearances he’s made this season.

That’s not good, and coach John Carver has talked about the Ivorian today in the local press and says he’s learned his lesson:

“He’s learned his lesson. His record is not great and we keep talking to him about it.” “It’s no good talking anymore, it’s now down to him to go out and do it himself.” “We can only put so many conditions on him in training.”

“Now he has to go out and show us when the muck and bullets are flying.” “It’ll be a boost to have him back because of the way he is.” “He’s got to control himself.” “Even if he has got a reputation or referees do pick on him, he’s got to control himself in the manner where he’s not a liability to the team.”

“We don’t want to lose him again.”

Carver’s talking about Cheick being a liability to the team, because of course he was sent off after 25 minutes at Sunderland, and Newcastle finally drew that game 1-1 but with 11 men we could easily have won that game, so Cheick has to control himself on the field.

But to be honest we haven’t seen too much control from the Ivorian at all, and he continues to commit silly fouls that keeps getting him those yellow cards from the referees.

We’ll see if he has learned his lesson, by how he plays on saturday against Swansea and whether he picks up yet another caution from the referee.

We still have to be convinced by Cheick on the discipline side of things, and what’s the betting he’ll pick up a yellow card against Swansea?

What do you think?

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67 comments so far

  • jawballsaswallwell

    Nov 15, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #1

    I suspect Cheick fails to even attend his lessons, much less learn them.

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  • Indian Magpie

    Nov 15, 2012 at 11:15 AM

    Comment #2

    How do you shoot yourself in the foot, dont ask me ask NIGERIA

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  • catchy in norway

    Nov 15, 2012 at 11:23 AM

    Comment #3

    it wasnt so long ago they said they wuldnt wwant to change his style

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  • studsy

    Nov 15, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    Comment #4

    True catchy, but it was so long ago his record was 5 cards per 10 games. It’s now 7 in 9….that’s a big difference.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 15, 2012 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #5

    He needs to control himself.

    To be a top player you need to maintain your aggression but control it and not let it ruin your game.

    Once tiote has been booked he always seems to settle and do much better. If he could be like that from the start it would need it himself and the team.

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  • Blaydon-Toon

    Nov 15, 2012 at 11:42 AM

    Comment #6

    Hi guys some advice please from people that go to the games …. Looking at getting tickets for the Wigan game where is the best place to sit ? Ps would there be tickets on general sale night of the game ?

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  • toonLYF

    Nov 15, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    Comment #7

    eplforecast…Sorry like but Carroll probably couldn’t be much more of a different player than Zlatan. Ibra is a flair player, and always has been since his days at Ajax. He was mostly known for his goals where he took on 5-6 players back when he was Carroll’s age. Only over the last few years has he began to use his physical qualities more prominently due to being less mobile.

    Carroll is a fantastic talent and i would love to see him in black and white again; but just cause he’s tall and has a pony tail, he ain’t nothing like Ibrahimovic nor will he ever be. 🙂

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  • Ian Toon

    Nov 15, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    Comment #8

    MagpiesFlyHigh- I know you don’t like the word fickle but it really does sum up football fans in general not just ours. Take Spurs fans and Harry Redknapp, up until last Xmas he was the dogs but thereafter they couldn’t wait to get rid of him. There was little reflection on maybe circumstances had conspired against him and the club just that he was at fault for their run of poor form and his time was up. Well the same spurs fans who phoned 606, agitated at the ground, abused anyone who stuck up for him are the same fans who inform through the same medium that Spurs should never have sacked Harry. We all know the types, the we were right all along types.
    Rotonda and Catchy- The Batman and Robin of daytime blogging.
    If your doom scenario does materialise will you high five one another.
    Are you two the only fans capable of predicting future events?
    Is the crystal ball that you both use the same one that saw us battling relegation last season? You of course will be right all along . When we start winning it will be thanks to you two because Pardew took your advice. Anyway your covers blown. Or does Catchy disappear
    and Beattie reappear as either Batman or Robin. Either way your pathetic fans because we’re your doom scenario come to pass NUFC
    would suffer. Don’t give me the firmly held conviction line because I prefer the attention seeking- Drama Queen ‘s.

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  • toonLYF

    Nov 15, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    Comment #9

    Blaydon – yes you would be able to get tickets on the day of the game, however you couldn’t be picky with seats by doing so.

    I’d personally say the Gallowgate is the best place to sit (mid/upper), however for optimum view of both halves of the match… the centre of the east stand is the best option.

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  • sirtoongospel

    Nov 15, 2012 at 11:58 AM

    Comment #10

    When Cheick is flat out and in amongst the other team, we always have a foothold in the game, and a platform to build on. Without Cheick at his strongest and most commited, we look awful to be honest.

    I would rather have Tiote all guns blazing for 40 out of 50 games a season, than have him half hearted and worried for all of them.

    He isnt half the player when he is frightened to tackle. What should be a worry to our management is why no one else can be as committed as Cheick.

    This weekend we will see him back and personally I cant wait. We would have beaten West Ham with Cheick in the team. 2 more games without Colo, then hopefully we can kick on. Add 1 or 2 in January and top 6 or 7 is still there for the taking. We have had injuries and suspensions stop our fluency so far but that can change.

    Hopefully PArdew will realise that playing to the strengths of Cisse also helps the rest of the team. We can win this game and win it well.

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  • Blaydon-Toon

    Nov 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM

    Comment #11

    Toon LYF thanks for your advice … Prices on website range from £51 -£31 but when It sat choose your seat nothing comes up ?

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  • 9

    Nov 15, 2012 at 12:18 PM

    Comment #12

    Tiote will get booked on Saturday, because he (almost) always does. It’s a 1/4 shot, He has learned nothing. He gets booked in friendlies, for heaven’s sake!! Because of this, I don’t mind whether he plays or nor, gets transferred (for FAR less than some people on here have fantasised over the last year) or not. The team’s record isn’t any better with him in than without him, in point of fact. So although he is thought to be God-like in his abilities, for me, even though I was a very early convert to him (his performance away to West Ham shortly after we signed him switched me on), I’ve lost patience. Yes, he’s good, no, he’s not invincible and “Has he learned his lesson?” I don’t think so. I would be delighted to be proved wrong, but I’m not holding my breath.

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  • eplforecast

    Nov 15, 2012 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #13

    ToonLYF

    I am not saying Carroll is as good as Ibrahimovic

    But if the boy knuckled down and trained his close control to be as good as Ibra – he would be a clone

    He looks the same, has the same build, equally as good in the air, and has same upper body strength

    Just lacks the technique and calmness of Ibra

    His goal against Man City last season was similar to what Ibra scores on a consistent basis

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  • eplforecast

    Nov 15, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    Comment #14

    In fact

    If i were Big Sam – I would personally sit down with Andy and make him watch all of Ibrahimovic’s games recorded and goals

    He even has the ponytail already – nothing more to add but just some skill

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 15, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    Comment #15

    9

    Good call. I have said this before.

    Last year we got the same points with or without him over the season.

    Look at all the top sides worldwide? How many have a guy getting a booking every other game in the team? None.

    Te best DMs in the league/world are seen as busquests, Parker, makelele, de Rossi, etc

    All do a good job defending, maybe not as hard in the tackle as tiote but all influential and bring many more attributes to the table

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  • Tsunki

    Nov 15, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    Comment #16

    The answer to this is no. Next question please.

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  • bills-son

    Nov 15, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    Comment #17

    Ian Toon @ 8., spot on post, summing up the actions of fickle fans very well. It will never change either.

    The classic at NUFC was the totally overboard reaction when fans turned against Ashley. 90% on here believed “the unambitious FGB only wants to finish 4th bottom so he can keep the Prem dosh, constantly sell our top players, and milk the club dry.” Ashley isn’t perfect by any stretch but that was (and has been proven to be) a million miles from the truth.

    No fan will ever admit it now but there were many who werren’t displeased to see Sir Bobby sacked for ‘only’ finishing 4th and starting the next season off poorly. Now the same type of nonsense is starting about Pardew because we aren’t in the top four.

    Fact is its always far easier to criticise than take a balanced view. The current set up at the club is IMO the best we’ve had in years. However, we are only in our third season since relegation and it won’t be plain sailing all the way – it never is. We need continuing stability not a jump back on the managerial merry go round. Remember, after Sir Booby we got Souness to ‘take us forward’. Pardew has done brilliantly overall since he came, any fan wanting him out after 10 injury and suspension ravaged games is just plain daft.

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  • Tsunki

    Nov 15, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    Comment #18

    Indian magpie – Really? Digging up the shola bashing thing again?

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 15, 2012 at 1:04 PM

    Comment #19

    So if pardew pardew got us relegated would it still be fickle to say he should be sacked??

    In not suggesting he take us down for a minute but fickle is a nothing word for me.

    People didnt like him to start with, then he did well. Is it fickle to change your mind to start liking him?

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  • chris_g

    Nov 15, 2012 at 1:13 PM

    Comment #20

    Mark Douglas ?@MsiDouglas
    Cabaye out for weekend, apparently. #nufc

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  • chris_g

    Nov 15, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    Comment #21

    Chris Conway ?@Chris_Conway
    Pardew confirms Cabaye out of Swansea game with a groin injury & says Cissé may miss out due to an “ongoing issue” with Senegalese FA. #NUFC

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  • toonLYF

    Nov 15, 2012 at 1:20 PM

    Comment #22

    for god sake man, when will we be able to field our strongest 11? We have yet to do so this season. Injuries at this club are an absolute joke – and a really not funny one at that…

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  • sholas left boot

    Nov 15, 2012 at 1:21 PM

    Comment #23
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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 15, 2012 at 1:22 PM

    Comment #24

    Most teams have injuries to their first 11.

    I don’t think ours are higher than the average.

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  • toonLYF

    Nov 15, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Comment #25

    Transfer – Aye but i bet every other team has fielded their strongest 11 atleast once this season!

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  • AMEOBI

    Nov 15, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    Comment #26

    Blaydon, just say near away fans.. You’ll love it

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  • catchy in norway

    Nov 15, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    Comment #27

    bills-son & ian

    batman here

    can we get a few things straight here

    i have no problems with mashleys plan, i think it is quite sound accutaly,
    the problem i have there is his implementation of the plan,, most of the time he does things backwards

    next, the squad and the coaches,, again not any real problems there for me, yes i do not like obertan, very overated and imo we have better kids with real ability not just speed,,

    i think if you read my posts you will see my main problem is pardew, its his brand of football, the things he says and never backs up with actions, his stuborness,

    i have backed most managers, but pardew i have never liked, i think he is worse than SAM A, at least sam never tried to hide the fact he plays long ball football, pardew says time and time again we never got our passing game going today,, bt its quite hard to have a passing game when nearly every game he plays its a long ball game,,

    i think your so wrong to liken me and others to the guys who wanted SBR sacked, as to this day i think he has been the best manager we have had,,

    i never once said to any of my friends we should sack sam a, other than pardew, kenny d is the only other manager i did not like

    i dont see how me saying we have a great squad and wishing they would play more attacking passing football comes accross as being negative

    and i think i am right in think that clarke at WBA, laudrup swansea, are both new to managment, and both of them have there teams playing good football, dont win every match, but i bet there fans are happy, they have been in there jobs only months, yet there players get the ball down, and infact if you think about it, the players they are using are mainly players from the manager before them,

    pardew has had 2 years to get them into some system, and right now he still dont know if its 442/433/4321,

    he dont know if jonas is LW/DMC, demba B, left winger striker,,

    no im not a manager and yes i do think he has a hard job, but playing our best 11 in there right positions is a great start,,

    i know for a fact not one of you would play DEMBA out on the left,, he went 14 games at the end without scoring, and pardew did that for the good of the team,?? i think not
    cisse was scoring for fun, main ppl assiting, HBA Cabaye, nothing came from the lft,, hmmm why

    if you read this and think im negative for wanting us to play a bit more attacking, them maybe its you who are the negative ones, who want to sit back and stay were we are,,

    me, id like to move forward, now that is positive

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  • Pushy Pardew

    Nov 15, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    Comment #28

    Ian Toon
    Excellent really hitting the right notes.
    Yes we do know the fickle types who come to quick verdicts on players and managers without due consideration. Many of our fans are relucant to acknowledge that they were prejudiced towards Pardew. He’s a southerner and because of their regard for CH. Catchy is dangerous because he appeals to fans base instincts of we want success now and he blows hot air in suggested there is an alternative. No substance rhetoric. He also seems to have something personal against the manager- weird.
    bills-son
    You have a common sense approach. I recall
    the build up to SBR’s departure and it spread like wildfire on grounds of time for a change we can kick on again with fans not thinking consequences through. The club is in arguably it’s best state ever. A sound financial state and being well run. We have a game plan towards self sufficiency and are ahead of expectations. Fans tend to want instant success and to hell with longer term planning horizons. I too haven’t bought into everything Ashley has done but he’s light years better than Freddie.
    Transfer Sage- I didn’t have a preconceived view on Pardew. I form my own opinions on players managers. The media try and stereotype based on the past not what their capable of doing in the future. It’s often said
    that every successful manager’s career ends in failure. But it’s what happens inbetween. As for fickle, AC should he re-sign would be cheered by the same fans who booed him previously.

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  • geordie157

    Nov 15, 2012 at 2:06 PM

    Comment #29

    Catchy, spot on there! My only concern is fits Pardew really have better options than Obertan? Fergs and Sammy yes, but I can’t think of another young winger, unless moyo or Lopez step up. Ah amalfitano, wouldn’t mind seeing him play more,might be slower but good really and he can probably cross!

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 15, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    Comment #30

    Pushy

    I am not implying anyone here is fickle.

    Just saying that it is often a cop out of a reply.

    Of pardew won 10 in a row then we lost 1 and people called for his head I bet 99% would say fickle fan response.

    If pardew got is relegated this season after a good year last year and people called for his head I bet 99% wouldn’t say it was fickle.

    Therefore there must a point where previous success cannot make up for the current problems.

    I am not saying that time is now, I continue to say pardew should be given more time. See if he can get the brand of football he talks about actually on the pitch in a game regularly.

    I am just saying that some fans have higher and more urgent demands that others, I’m not saying which set is right or wrong

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  • Blaydon-Toon

    Nov 15, 2012 at 2:18 PM

    Comment #31

    Ameobi – Wigan do not have any fans !!!!!’

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  • catchy in norway

    Nov 15, 2012 at 2:24 PM

    Comment #32

    geordie157

    obertan get on first as a left winger or right winger,

    both sammy and ferg are both ahead of him in all departments other than speed,

    and after watching the reservs the other night, there where putting in lots of crosses, and yes i know they may not be ready yet, but nor is obertan,,

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  • Pushy Pardew

    Nov 15, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    Comment #33

    Catchy/Beattie/Rotonda/Batman and Robin
    Your a snake oil salesman . I follow the Toon home and away. Only missed the last Europa away game and our group regularly chat to Pardew for around 10 minutes. Something which rarely happened with previous managers. He seeks us out quite often as other travelling fans would confirm. He’s a very likeable personable type and just be patient on alternative formations etc. We have a small squad which has to be managed against a backdrop of more games. With all due respect your an armchair critic with it seems an axe to grind. GET BEHIND THE TEAM AND MANAGER.

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  • catchy in norway

    Nov 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM

    Comment #34

    Pushy Pardew

    what have i said that is dangerous,
    please play more attacking football, or please get them to pass the ball to each other,,,

    is it a comonsense aproach or a stand still aproach,,

    sound finacial footing, ???? the loan is still there ,that hasnt gone anywhere, infact its probably more we owe him because of the season in the championship, which was cashleys fault for putting JFK in chrage for so long

    do i like the aproach there taking on transfers ,, yes, every player at every club has a price, 35 mill for carroll was great business, the timing was poor,

    i also can not see how the club are not making money right now, we have lost so many high erners at the club, but it is reported we are making a loss still

    and i would love to hear your explination as to why pardew says in most interviews, we wernt at our best today, we never got our passing game going,, that straight away to me suggests we try and pass the ball,, but please try and explain that to me,,

    yes i dont like pardew, but my reasons have been the same since day one,, thats not being fickle,,

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 15, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    Comment #35

    pushy

    An arm chair critic is a bit of a worthless statement.

    Obviously none of us here are top level managers but we can make observations.

    For example we can all say arsenal have suffered from not having a top keeper or from having no leaders in the team.

    We can all comment that on the positive and that is never deemed to be an armchair fan….so why is negative criticism deemed to be more worthless than positive comments? they are both made from the same level of knowledge of the club and the game, just have opposite opinions.

    I don’t agree with everything catchy says but he does make some points.

    Are the players we have used this year incapable of playing a more fluid style? I don’t think they are, the teamwe have put out is better than swansea, wigan, etc……and they play some nice stuff.

    Obviously they havent got the points so there is a balance to be found between hard work, grit and flair but I think the emphasis of our current team is too much towards the hard work.

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  • spitfire_

    Nov 15, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    Comment #36

    Without Cabaye and Cisse at leas Pardew will have one more excuse… for the West Ham’s game was Tiote.

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  • catchy in norway

    Nov 15, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    Comment #37

    Pushy Pardew

    i see now,, he is your friend, and carnt do no wrong,,

    next time you meet up for a pint, ask him why carnt we pass the ball,, does he only work on us being the fittest team in the league, and that was last season,, this season, they dont look fit or interested,,

    who is responable for that??

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  • Pushy Pardew

    Nov 15, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    Comment #38

    Transfer
    But don’t you appreciate fans on here and at games can make a positive or negative difference. Of course previous success doesn’t give a manager a blank cheque but it gives me the confidence that he’s a good manager going forward. I believe you can make a case for why were currently mid table. Do i believe we’ll do better, well yes. Should circumstances change dramatically over a period which cannot reasonably be accounted for then i would re-evaluate the standing of the manager. Given player issues that tends to be before January window and at end of season.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 15, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    Comment #39

    Pushy

    Oh yeh I do agree that a manager can buy more time for himself by having a good run.

    I am just suggesting that the balance is different in everyone’s opinion.

    As I said the last few days….give pardew until the end of the season, see where we are then and evaluate the best way forward.

    I don’t think you often get a good manager as a replacement mid season so gettign rid then would be worthless anyway.

    I think managers and clubs like ours, everton, west brom, fulham, etc where big signings very rarely happen need a good 3 years at least to build the squad and fully imprint their ideas through out the club, ideally 5 years to get things totally in their mould.

    The problem with the way we have changed managers is that they all have totally different styles which leads to no consistency.

    Swansea have only done so well because they have had the same type of manager for nearly 10 years….martinez, rogers, laudropp

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  • dinosaur

    Nov 15, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    Comment #40

    Against Brugge Tiote gave a clinic in how to play dirty. Either his hand was forever bunched up in his opponent’s face, or his studs were stamping down on the top of his opponent’s foot. Can he learn to clean up his act? I fear not.

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