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Match Preview – Newcastle vs Swansea

10:48 am, Saturday, November 17th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 93 Comments

There are important Premier League games and important Premier League games, but this one is extra important, after we lost to West Ham United last Sunday – a team we hammered 5-0 in the corresponding fixture two years ago, and we have only three wins in our first eleven league games, compared to seven at the same time last season.

This is almost a must win game today for Newcastle, and the thing we’ll be looking for is some energy, enthusiasm and determination from the Newcastle players as soon as the first whistle blows.

But it could be another frustrating game for our fans to watch, as Swansea play a possession game, made famous by Barcelona, and it could be difficult for Newcastle to see much of the ball today.

And we have some doubts as to who can play today.

Yohan Cabaye is definitely out with a groin problem, and Fabricio Coloccini is suspended, and Jonas Gutierrez is out with his knee injury, although is expected to return at Southampton, in our next league game.

And there’s some nonsense going on about Papiss Cisse, with Senegal upset the player pulled out of the mid-week friendly game with Niger, and they may activate the five-day rule which will rule Cisse out of the game today.

Dan Gosling, Ryan Taylor, Haris Vuckic and James Perch are all out injured.

And Alan Pardew talked yesterday about today starting a hectic spell of games for Newcastle:

“I think we’ve got four games in nine days form Saturday.” “It’s a tough schedule for us and we’re feeling the pressure of that with the injuries we’ve got at the moment and the squad depth and we’re going to have to make sure we come through this period stronger with some solid results.” “It’s a big week for us.”

Cheick Tiote is back today, and he will start in central midfield and we hope he provides the energy we have been missing, but we also hope he can go through this game without picking up yet another caution from the referee.

We’re not sure whether Sammy Ameobi is fit, but we’ll assume he isn’t – so here’s a possible team Alan Pardew could start today:

Simpson Taylor (S) (c) Williamson Santon
Ben Arfa Tiote Anita Bigirimana Ferguson
Subs: Elliot Tavernier Marveaux Abeid Ameobi (Sh) Obertan Cisse

With Newcastle failing to take control of midfield in many games this season, and with Yohan Cabaye missing through injury today, we think Pardew has a chance of starting in a 4-5-1 formation, to flood the midfield so we can get a grip on the game.

He may also elect to play in a 4-3-3 formation, after severe criticism of the 4-4-2 formation he habitually plays, and we really cannot afford two strikers up front, when we cannot get the ball in the center of the park.

We have to hope we can win this home game against a side below us in the Premier League table.

Let us know how you think the game will go – and what team would you start today?

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93 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Jail for Ashley // Nov 17, 2012 at 10:52 AM

    Having his piles cream replaced with fiery jack is too good for Ashley .

  • 2 BelfastMagpie // Nov 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM

    I actually think these injuries might help us.
    Freshen up the team a bit.

    Hope to see Marveaux start today,behind Ba.

  • 3 JDdubai // Nov 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM

    From last thread

    Its not the results people are angry with, its the performances.

    If we had got the same results but looked like we knew what we were doing and were trying to play good football then people wouldnt be as bothered.

    Its the utter crap that we have played in EVERY game that is the issue, i just wish whatever miracle happened last season that saw him go to the 4231 happens again as so far this season I havent seen a game plan this season other than hit it long or hope HBA is on form.

    Here’s hoping it changes today, for the record I would have HBA, Sammy and Marveaux as the 3 behind Ba a la Chelsea formation. We are at home and should attack……

  • 4 BelfastMagpie // Nov 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM

    Apparently Simpson is injured.

    His missus cut his d*** off last nyt… 😉

  • 5 dmac // Nov 17, 2012 at 10:57 AM

    Swansea are a much better team than West Ham. If we do not buck our ideas up we could be in for some trouble.

    People predicting us thumping them need to get a grip. I really hope that you are right but with the level of injuries and the fact we havent played well as a team since last season im not fancying our chances.

  • 6 IITianToon // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

    @bELFAST if thats true Simmo’s not only an adulterer, but a jackass for even opening his fly with his missus around. 😀

  • 7 fray bentos // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM


    Table standing would suggest otherwise

  • 8 mattyNUFC // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM

    really hope you’re wrong ed. three DCMs? Where does the creativity come from??? Remember when it was tiote and anita? or even worse bigi and tiote? two DCMs only work if you have the third further upfield.

    But, you’re probably right because based on all APs comments this week, he wants to do anything but less. Scared and should be with the sh!t he’s been putting out

    Anyway, hoping for the best…..HTL

  • 9 mattyNUFC // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:04 AM

    but lose*

  • 10 BelfastMagpie // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:05 AM

    Today’s game will be difficult,but I think if we get in they’re faces from the off & stop them playing,we’ll get a result…

    That was my team talk right there… Haha

  • 11 woolerbill // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:08 AM

    Obertan in, Ferguson out, this would be a start for me. He is twice the player Ferguson will ever be.

  • 12 JDdubai // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM

    with Eds team, there are only 2 people who are likely to score a goal, HBA and Ba. This has been our problem for a while, our midfield do not contribute enough goals. Fergie, Bigi, Tiote and Anita are not going to threaten, they wont get into the box to help Ba or bust a gut to get onto the end of a cross a la rob Lee would.

    Need someone in CM to be like Nolan was for us, to have the desire to score goals as none of the current lot do. If it is that team that ed put up Ba will be isolated, if Fergie puts in a cross there will be 1 man in the box to aim for etc just like the West Ham game (Dont count Cisse as he did eff-all). Really think we missed the boat with Sigurdsson in the summer.

  • 13 catchy in norway // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM


    everything is sorted,, your invertation was sent,, but im at work 🙁 and now the vessel is delayed until 2 :(, may even miss the first half, driving home

    went for an optimistic draw

    belfast,, i am in your camp thinking/hoping this will freshen up the team and give them some much needed spring in there step

    what i read in the last thread is there seems to be a lot of guys out there like me, if it was just a small number un happy as is suggested all the time, he wouldnt need to send his players out begging for time or feel the need to come out himself,,

    i think what he fials to grasp is last season the position in the table masked over the shit football that was on offer most weeks, and a lot of fans only looked at the table and thought all is ok,

    it was only a matter of time before the poor football was matched with poor results
    he said we played poor only a few times last year, i can flip that and say we only played well a few times last year but still got results

    i was told many times last season, it is the sign of a good team that they can play poor and still win, normally these are good teams that play well most of the time and have an odd bad game but win with quality bits of skill

    what the guy also fails to see is that this is football, if you are a good team the more games you will play, and use the squad and if that means drafting in some kids from the reservs then so be it,
    man u and ars both do this every year

    i fear for him, but i think this 8 year contract is his saving grace,

    for me, my campiagn is startimg right now for OLE GUNNER SOLSKJÆR,,

    won the league 2 times in a row with a team a team that had not won it for over 100 years

  • 14 bills-son // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    Looking at Ed’s team shows how seriously short of creative CM players we are. I’ve said for a while that this is our biggest weakness, not defence or attack.

    Even last season on the 6/7 game winning run we didn’t create alot of chances we just stuck away, Cisse especially, most chances that came our way. That never lasts.

    Unless Cabaye and HBA are on top form we are always going to struggle to provide much ammo for Ba and Cisse. I think it will be another tough game today, especially if Swansea score first.

  • 15 catchy in norway // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:13 AM


    in waht way is obertan twice the player of ferg

    as i see it ferg is 5 times the player obertan is

    if this is the line up ED, we are doomed,, 0-0 all over it

  • 16 catchy in norway // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM


    from yesterday

    no i dont ever think you have been joking with me, no tongue and cheek comments, all you have ever been is nasty towards everything i have ever said because im not a pardew fan,, or obertan for that matter

  • 17 LewSpi v2.0 // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    Anita Saylor Willo Santon
    ——-Tiote –Perch
    Obertan -HBA– Ferg


    Simmo’s not starting, I’ve heard.

  • 18 Jail for Ashley // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:19 AM

    I do like to have a moan especially when I get the chance to take a swipe at Mashley,but haway show a bit of faith man.

  • 19 mattyNUFC // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM

    here’s a question:

    If YOU were picking the team and realizing we have no one in the middle who could create things upfield, would you start Abeid ahead of Bigi?

    I would. I mean, it’s not like anything else has been working….

  • 20 catchy in norway // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM

    Jail for Ashley

    as soon as pardew does i will 😉

  • 21 mattyNUFC // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM


    i agree with you most of the time but fergie has a LONG way to go. I’m not an obertan fan either but i think he’d just edge out fergie for me….but i’d still rather see Marv given a go ahead of both

  • 22 catchy in norway // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:22 AM


    every day, no question

  • 23 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    Christ ed really hope that isnt the line up personally think hba will start in ACM with gabby and sammy on the wings

    Anyone seen the stupid rumour of the day?
    Walcott +£8 mil for sterling

  • 24 BelfastMagpie // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    Well I really hope we don’t start Tiote & Bigi together in a 4-4-2.

    That would be a painfull watch.

  • 25 catchy in norway // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:25 AM

    i like ferg for his directness, and his crossing, he still has a long way to go for sure, but look at santon, looked shakey last season, but is comming good because he is playing against good players every week

    obertan, has lots of pace, but you dont see much end product from him,

    marv for me isthe better choice too, i think like obertan he suffers from confidence, but has more abilty and has much better link up play as well as crossing

  • 26 bills-son // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:26 AM

    Catchy, grow up man. I’ve never been deliberately nasty to you, you might not understand my sense of humour but that’s the price we all pay for posting on blogs. I took some vile stick from solano and his cronies when I was defending Ashley a while back and I just got on with it. The few tongue in cheek comments I’ve made about your opinions on Pards, Oba and Simmo are nowt to get so worked up about.

  • 27 Spotlight Kid // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:26 AM

    Swansea play football on the deck, NUFC have forgotten how to do this judging by the number of wasted or misplaced passes of late (Tiote, Jonas & Cabaye all guilty as charged). So there’s no way NUFC are going to outplay the Swans at ground level. Accordingly it’s gonna be another play-for-percentages hoof-fest which will be overlooked if it works or criticised severely if it doesn’t.

    If so, what is the point of having Ben Arfa – a genuine talent that needs to play pass and go – other than he might pull out a bit of individual magic? What a waste!

    It’s looking like Harvey’s 1970s team to me at present – but without the goals or solid defence. With Green or Smith doing the Ben Arfa bit to bamboozle the opposition (if fit) but most time just hoof it up to the No9 to head down (the Wyn version) or run onto (the SuperMac version).

    For this to work to the max you also need a proven goal scorer/poacher to sniff out rebounds and half chances around the box, in the 70s it was Pop Robson and until recently it was Nolan (both sold to West Ham).

    PS: You also need brown muddy pitches (to prevent teams playing it on the deck) & shorter shorts (makes you run faster….).

  • 28 Jail for Ashley // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:26 AM

    Catchy,I think your blind hatred of Pards is on par with mine toward Mashhey and Dastardly ,I’m going to have to step up a gear.
    Shame Im home but unable to go today sister could have waited full the fixture list was announced before choosing her wedding day.

  • 29 Conaldo (The Wizard) // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:28 AM

    Catchy – I reckon obertans head is twice the size of fergies, don’t really know if that’s relevant to anything or not.

  • 30 Jail for Ashley // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    Ha ha,vile stick,you can give it just as well back.

  • 31 Conaldo (The Wizard) // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Just noticed no one has congratulated you on your fiery jacks comment. Bravo, that may be one of your best yet.

  • 32 mattyNUFC // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    well, whatever we think of fergie let’s be blunt:

    If simmo really isn’t playing and AP decides to play santon RB and fergie LB, fergie will get slaughtered by anyone of Rangel, Routeledge, Dyer or Pablo

  • 33 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    True he’s a promising winger but not in a million years is he a lb

  • 34 mattyNUFC // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:35 AM


    in defense of Catchy

    I don’t think it’s ‘blind’ hatred. I wasn’t a fan of him or his blatant arrogance when he arrived. After that first 3-1 Liverpool win at home, I decided to settle down and see how he made his mark. I’ve still been waiting, all the while seeing his ego get larger and larger. His notepad, his arrogant fist pumps, his cocky interviews. I’d accept it all if we were playing well (note i didn’t say winning every match) but it’s all just confounding in these worst of moments in regards to the football we’re playing

  • 35 mattyNUFC // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    ….and I also think it should be mention that (catchy, correct me if i’m wrong) he (catchy) was, like me, a supporter of Hughton. Did I think he’d ever take us to 5th? Not really, but I appreciated the honest, hard work he and his team and the football they produced were exemplary of.

    I don’t think catchy, nor myself, are full-time pessimists. AP as a person and a manager just irk us to no end

    Hope i wasn’t too forward including you, catchy 🙂

  • 36 bills-son // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    Jail, you seriously still hate Ashley?

    Strange, very strange.

  • 37 Jail for Ashley // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    I know where your coming from but I haven’t got enough hatred in me for three people.

  • 38 catchy in norway // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    jail for ash

    them 2 are on my list 2 haha

    but at least i can see the plan mashley has, and that is not a bad plan, just his exicusion of it,
    from the way lameass runs a club i am surprised he passed his test to drive a car

    have a great day regardless of the football, at least you got a good excuse to get hammerd if we lose

  • 39 JDdubai // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    My team for today


    Depends on fitness etc but at least on paper I could see us trying to play football and Abeid seems to have more of an idea where the goal is than any other CM so would offer another body in the box as I would predict otherwise Ba will be very lonely in there today….

  • 40 Klam3r // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:46 AM


    Totally agree with you!

  • 41 seantoon // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    GK Krul, RB Simpson, CB Taylor, CB Williamson,LB Santon, RM Ben Arfa, CM Tiote, CM Anita, LM Sammy, ST Ba, ST Ameobi

  • 42 bills-son // Nov 17, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    Matty, if Pards is such an arrogant useless pr%ck how come he has never got any stick from players, even those who have left like Barton?

    Just this week Santon came out and said what a good coach Pards is, he isn’t the only one either who has praised Pards.

    Pards biggest problem is that we are short of creative midfield players plus we’ve never had a settled side this season. I agree we’ve played cr%p in most matches but that doesn”t mean Pards is a cr%p manager. If Pards and Ashley don’t combine to bring in a quality creative CM, preferably in Jan, I’ll be the first to criticise.

  • 43 sirtoongospel // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    A few have spoken about a goal scoring midfielder, and I know people will say that he isnt ready, but Brad Inman is a free scoring box to box player. Strong, athletic, creates, scores, and is ready to be given a run out. Probably nowhere near starting but in these Europa league games I would love to see him get 10 minutes here and there. I am convinced he has the tools to eventually threaten the first team.

  • 44 Transfer Sage // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM


    creative midfielders…really?

    HBA, cabaye, anita, marvoux, amalfiano

    hba and cabaye both have killer passes and a goal in them

    anita passed the ball around like a pirlo or alonso in hollamd…obviously not to the same standard but he dictated a lot of the play in the middle

    then marvoux can play wide or central mid….same as amalfitano.

    not saying they are world beaters but if you want creativity they bring a lot more than bigi (i like him but he is a defensive player, not criticizing before people complain, thats just his position)

  • 45 catchy in norway // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM


    that is exactly it,

    CH for me, is a true hero, he had a hard job todo, i accepted that we where in no position to demand a jose type manager, we had just got relegated and lost lots of key members of the squad,

    so from a guy that had never really run a team, he took a team that was so low and turned them into winners,

    he did all the hard work

    pardew comes along into a settled team, no noises being made regarding coaching, first season back in the prem, playing ok, bang sacked,, no reason,

    after jan in his first season, mashley hung him out to dry over the AC sale, and for me pardew has told so many lies i will never like him,

    his first full season, he got rid of all the mouths that might chalange him, replaced them with better footballers, ( obertan not in this group) first few games im thinking i may be wrong about pardew, but then he should me i wasnt, he is so stubborn and persisted in playing obertan, who was not doing a good job

    HBA sitting there saying to the french press im ready, pardew saying your not,

    pardew saying i see his as a no 10, he has the lot,
    pardew saying, well if im honest, he dont work hard enough for the team,
    one minut building him up , the next nocking him back
    all the while saying obertan is a confidece player, every week you could see the crowd getting on his back and him sinking deeper and deeper into his shell,,

    now there is a lot of fans at that ground all noticing this ,, so i know it wasnt just me, but every week i said something,
    lots where asking for HBA to play,in the end it took an injury to obertan, and he never got back in the team,,

    jan was the bigest eye opener for me,, BA went to africa, and best replaced him up front,

    thats when pardew really started with his defensive football, cabaye was so deep it was untrue,

    cisse came, and cabye moved up a little, linked well with cisse, but pushed BA out on the left,, i really thought that 3rd place was up for grabs, and pardew bottled it

    now pardew, has no ideas, but lots of excuses

  • 46 catchy in norway // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    bills son,,

    forget creative midfielders,, he has plenty to chose from when cabaye carnt play


    a RB and a CB,, that is priority,,

    HBA can drop into the cabaye roll, sammy right marv or ferg left side,, so there are options

  • 47 mattyNUFC // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    bills-son, hyperbole? embellishment? please quote me again on me saying pards was a useless pr!ck? you just spent the last however-long talking woe-is-me BS about ‘solano and his cronies’ and are back to spewing vitriol again

    and to answer your question, someone (forgot who) mentioned it yesterday. the difference between Pardew and ‘good’ or ‘great’ managers is that we change our tactics EVERY SINGLE GAME. Is this tactical know-how? Well, not when you’re losing or playing sh!t each week it’s not!

    We need a system instilled. why is that so hard to grasp? from the youths to the u16s trickling all the way down from the first team. it’s an issue Jose Mourinho was raging about just last week; his reserve manager is more content with winning games in the second division than preparing the players for seamless integration into the first team; i.e. not playing the same formations or tactics. it doesnt do anyone any good when there is no rigid ethos at the club. say what you will about l’pool or brendan rodgers, but that is what he’s trying to do there.

    instead, we set up to play against every single team we’re up against. they are not worrying about us with the same emphasis AP is because they have a system and play to it and believe in it. what is our system, bills-son?

    well, let’s look at the stats. we have more ‘long balls’ than any other PL team this year, our possession stats are distinctly relegation fodder, and our pass-completion % is even worse

    *cue the real bills-son to step up now

  • 48 bills-son // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    Transfer Sage, imo not one of the CM’s you mentioned is good enough to regularly impose themselves on a game. Even Cabaye rarely does this. Take Paul Scholes, even at 38 he can still dictate the play, is alwsys available to take and give a pass and he scores goals.

    I’ll give you another example, Fellaini at Everton. Him, and to a lesser extent Pienaar, are players who can impose themselves on a game – pass, tackle and score a goal.

    If we want to move to be genuine top 6 contenders we need another top class creative CM. We’ve got Cabaye, but he doesn’t perform consistently and if he’s injured (like today) we haven’t got anyone of his quality to replace him.

  • 49 sirtoongospel // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    Being honest, I can’t knock Pards for what he has achieved so far. But my one gripe is that we found a system last season that suited the squad, team and as a result he whole club. Defensively decent, and devastating on the break, we were winning and winning well. We dismantled good teams both home and away, and that system would win us 6 games out of 10 without fail. Over a season that is top 4 form.

    Let’s be honest, Demba Ba unsettled everything, spat the dummy out, and has basically refused to play on the left, even though it was helping the team. PArds wants him to sign a new contract. So instead of telling him to do what he is told, or replacing him with a player that can do that job, he has completely changed our system, from one game to the next we have had no rhythm whatsoever. Some of this has been enforced, injuries, suspensions etc. But quite a bit is self inflicted. Pardew needs to give us an identity, and stick with it. MAke us the best offensive team that he can make us in to. The players work hard so they would never forget the defensive side of things, but we need to be able to express ourselves. Demba has had a good start to the season but when we were at our best last season, we were playing to Cisse’s strengths. Surely we need to get back to that? HBA in advanced positions where he can torture full backs, Cabaye just behind our front 3 pulling the strings, where they can see the runs that Cisse makes. You can’t hit Cisse with a good ball when you are 60 yards away rom him. Let Cheick handle our defensive work, help him when we need to but get forward as quickly as possible as a team when we win it. We are devastating when we play with tempo. It will come if Pards took brave decisions and decided what our best team/formation is and give them a run of games. When changes are forced fair enough, but if not then stick with it, have faith in HBA, Ba and Cisse to win us games.

  • 50 Jail for Ashley // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    Thankyou Conaldo ,quite fond of that myself.

  • 51 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    With the players available I am just hoping for a 4-3-3 or if Pards feels adventurous a 4-2-3-1 with Benny in the #10 spot!

    …please, just no 4-5-1 formation with the likes of Tiote, Aita and Bigi in MF. We are never getting forward.

    Mind you the biggest problems we have had this season, besides players with two forwards who we don’t create enough chances for, is we don’t have enough players moving forward and making themselves available in the box.

    4–5–1 is a defensive formation, usually used to grind out 0–0 draws or preserve a lead, as the packing of the centre midfield makes it difficult for the opposition to build-up play. Lets just hope this is not the case 🙂

  • 52 Tsunki // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    Hyperbole is the best blog word so far today imo. I’ve said it a thousand times….

    If Anita is dropping to RB instead of simmo, does that mean a start for marveaux? Would that mean pushing hba just behind ba? wheres the team going today then? No, dont tell me….I’ll find ut when I get there.

  • 53 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    See you at game time 🙂

  • 54 Mo Drysdale // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM


    Simpson——-Taylor—————- Williamson——-Santon


    Ben Arfa———————–Ba—————————Samiobi

    Subs: Harper Tavernier Marveaux Abeid Ameobi (Sh) Obertan Cisse Bigi

  • 55 bills-son // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    Matty, you say Pards is an arrogant, fist pumping and cocky manager – I’ll withdraw the pr%ck comment as not yours but it doesn’t really make any difference to the gist of what you obviously think about Pards or my question – why aren’t current or former players criticising him?

    As for me spending the last whatever time on woe is me BS – now THATS embellishment! I made one brief comment in response to catchy accusing me of being ‘nasty’.

    There aren’t half some drama queens on this blog.

  • 56 sirtoongospel // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    mattyNUFC, completely agree. Thats my frustration too. We are different every week. The players don’t have cohesion. We should have a system where whichever 11 play, they know their responsibilities. The personnel can change, ut they system shouldnt. We will never have a better chance to instill it (Pards has 8 years!!!!!!), but he needs to drive it from the top, stop looking after individuals (Demba Ba) and get us firing again. The buck stops with him. We have lost our team spirit slightly, and Demba is the one who caused that by making it a rivalry with Cisse, rather than a partnership.

  • 57 catchy in norway // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    Bills son

    I think we watch different footballers

    For me scholes is a good player but he don’t dictate games that often he carnt tackle never wins many one on ones,

    His game is all about movement and breaking into the box

    Cabaye is a better all round player , bu it is hard for him or anyone to break into the box when he is playing around the half way line as a DMC, scholes could not even do that

    The manager has to be brave and move his midfield up the field instead of having 3 DMC to cover his defenders

  • 58 catchy in norway // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:33 PM

    Marty I been saying for weeks now , he waits until game day to see how the other team will line up, then sets up his team

  • 59 mattyNUFC // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:35 PM


    i agree completely re Ba. He was the catalyst and is the cause.

    We may not have the best team in the world or the best youth set-up, but we’ve got a pretty damn good first team and a pretty decent academy that will improve. It’s time to give it the respect it deserves and quit these busch-league tactics.

  • 60 Tsunki // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:35 PM

    Isnt this Ba vs. Cisse thing just a product of vivid imagination though? If it is, and also the idea of team spirit being lost, what is the problem then? is it not possibly down to a lack of options for teams selection? could be blamed on lack of investment, but if financial stability is a priority theres really nobody to blame there.

    I think its no more sinister than injuries and suspensions causing selection problems with a well-documented small but formative squad. Maybe the only answer is not quick-fix signings which are not guaranteed to work anyway, but simply a matter of watching and waiting for new personnel to get to grips with their place in the first team. Not great, but, that may be it.

  • 61 mattyNUFC // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:38 PM


    to me at least it was apparent AP, right or wrong, was catering to Ba and still is to some degree. I don’t believe there’s a rivalry between him and cisse, but I do agree with sirtoon: play to the teams strengths in our best (results-wise) formation (433/4231) or find players that will.

  • 62 hattambenarfa // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:38 PM


    i have to say i completely agree with what you are saying, we lack cohesion and an identity; we try to adapt to other teams weaknesses rather than playing to our own strengths- exhibit A Stoke away 2011 then 2012. Pardew needs to realise playing to our strengths, the teams strength, and not buckling to one individual is much better long run, players come and go but the club remains intact. we need a team that if players left a la swansea the system would be the same. I can categorically say if Ba left we would play completely differently. Therefore i think we should stick to the team that worked for us last year, with a couple of additions.

    Simpson Taylor Colo Santon
    Anita Tiote Cabaye
    HBA Cisse Obertan/Sammy

    There is a good balance of attacking and defensive qualities there, Obertan is twice the player on the left and by freeing the defensive shackles on him or sammy, HBA and cisse, and to a lesser extent cabaye, we could be devastating on the counter attack and still be able to soak up the pressure at the back like our unbeaten run last season. Give us the identity of a tough to break down, counter attacking team, as, whilst it may not always be free flowing passing football, it is what i believe we are best at

  • 63 mattyNUFC // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:41 PM


    hear, hear


    I could be pro-Pardew, I could, but these are some pretty intelligent posts about our lack of identity/club ethos

  • 64 bills-son // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    Catchy – we are watching different games if you think Scholes can’t still dictate the play. Thats why Fergy brought him out of retirement.

    My biggest problem with Cabaye is that he doesn’t follow the ball after a short pass. I hardly took my eyes off him in the West Ham game and he constantly stood still after passing the ball. Players like Scholes, Mata and Silva pass the ball and are constantly following it to play one two’s and look for the killer pass. It doesn’t matter whether Cabaye is playing forward or deep he should still do this. Half the reason why defenders hump the ball forward is that they don’t have an easy option to pass to.

    Cabaye needs to do far more to justify the sky high reputation he has.

  • 65 Tsunki // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    I think whatever the system, it should not immediately stop professional and international grade footballers from playing the ball skilfully along the ground and keeping possession for large chunks of the game. Changing formation will not suddenly address that or the lack of closing down when we lose possession. What will do it is lack of confidence in each other due to having to play alongside someone different who has a different style and anticipation than the previous guy who is out injured/suspended. Also being out of your ‘normal’ position due to manning problems.

  • 66 mattyNUFC // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:46 PM


    agree a bit on cabaye

    but he’s not and will never be a Mata-esque player with quick one-twos, much as scholes isn’t. that doesnt mean they are inferior though. he is best in the final third and we should be incorporating him in the set-up to be there, not 25 or 30 yards outside on a counter

  • 67 Tsunki // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    Ha Ha I got a bit of derision for suggesting that we might actually not do badly if Ba was sold. Stand by it too.

  • 68 mattyNUFC // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:47 PM


    the bigger question is whether the tactics would change without ba. if not, no sense in selling our most lethal striker in nearly a decade. if it means more what many of us think it could (better system, more composed counter-attacking, etc) then so be it

  • 69 sirtoongospel // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    I feel that if Ba left then we could replace him with a left sided attacking player, ideally with loads of pace. Neither will happen though so we need to see if Demba can do a job for the team. Well, off to the game, enjoy it lads. Hopefully 3 points to talk about later on.

  • 70 Tsunki // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    matty – I proposed the idea because I think that is exactly what would happen – I think we were starting to look like something last half of last season, whereas Ba spearheaded a surprise surge at the beginning. The worst thing to happen to Cisse this season is for Ba to be muscled in up front and for him to grab the first goals. It would not be a calamity in my view if somehow Ba was only eligible for euro games for a while so we could see how we would shape up with Cisse at point.

  • 71 toonheroes // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    Anita Fergie
    Benny Sammy
    This would be my starting 11 given our injuries. If Simpson isn’t playing give Tav a go.

    I would let benny a sammy interchange around Ba as a sole striker. I think that looks very balanced. What do you think?

  • 72 Tsunki // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    I too must fly, got to pick someone up for the match. Well ok I am driving not flying ha ha.

    BTW how about singing today you miserable gets its been like a morgue recently – thats another good reason why a team will drop its head collectively.

    Howay the Lads! 😀

  • 73 toonheroes // Nov 17, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    Like your team. Should have seen that before i posted. Could have saved me the time.

  • 74 Transfer Sage // Nov 17, 2012 at 1:01 PM


    I think a few of our players don’t move after they pass.

    I said yesterday out movement is in a downward spiral. When your team don’t find you with a pass you make less movements, therefore less passes, leads to less movements, and so on. They are all playing themselves out of form.

    And spurs are showing how you play 442.

    You have to use two wide men who hug the touch line most of the time, bale and Lennon for them. With HBA and Jonas we don’t have the width for 442 as they both come in field too often.

  • 75 bills-son // Nov 17, 2012 at 1:13 PM

    Transfer, I agree on the wide men in a 442. Fans forget thats what we played for the first 10 games last season when we were unbeaten. We also had Best ( an unsung hero imo) who closed defenders down and ran the channels creating space for Ba.

    One of our big weaknesses now is defending the flanks. HBA comes inside and Santon still gets out of position too often. That forces the CM’s to go wide to cover the flanks and the result is we are often all over the place in midfield. I’ve long said we should play 4411 or 351 because it best suits the players we have.

  • 76 Conaldo (The Wizard) // Nov 17, 2012 at 1:17 PM

    Santon Willo Taylor fergie
    Sammy Anita tiote obertan

    That would be 4411 but with 2 wide men. This wasn’t particularly my sugestin for today, but that’s how we would look with wide men. Or fergie on the wing.

  • 77 hattambenarfa // Nov 17, 2012 at 1:20 PM

    We could be the first premier league team (apart from man city experimentation) to successfully deploy a 352 formation, but we would have to experiment with it in europe first, and then buy two cbs in jan

    Taylor Willo Colo
    Santon Anita Tiote Cabaye Jonas/Fergie

  • 78 Transfer Sage // Nov 17, 2012 at 1:21 PM


    Yeh. We need to find a way to get the best out of the majority of our top players Ben if that means sacrificing one or two from the starting line up.

  • 79 mattyNUFC // Nov 17, 2012 at 1:22 PM


    a fair few times last season we played both 433 and 4411 during our run. Ba was our lone striker on numerous occasions and besty played out wide-left a handful of times as well

    but this is all apart of the larger discussion: we need a formula (it’s already been tried and tested, call it 433 or 4231, not too different) and we need to not only stick to it but start implementing it at the reserve and academy levels as well.

  • 80 Transfer Sage // Nov 17, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    Another issue that we often overlook is the lack of pace in the team.

    We don’t have really any players who have genuine pace to stretch the game which means teams can step up a bit not leave much room for our midfield.

    If we had a Walcott or the likes upfront there would be much more room for the other striker, cabaye and Ben arfa.

    Barca creat space for messi in the middle by having pedro, Sanchez, Alves and alba out wide. They force the opposition to play deeper and stretch across the pitch.

  • 81 Transfer Sage // Nov 17, 2012 at 1:30 PM


    At our level I think we need a settled formation for most games.

    Games against man utd, city, Chelsea then maybe change to suit the opposition but most teams we should just back ourselves to either dominate or compete with using an attacking style

  • 82 hattambenarfa // Nov 17, 2012 at 1:33 PM

    I honestly believe if we signed a rapid rb, a beastly box to box athletic cm and an electric pace lw/st we would have a far more complete team. for names sake say it was debuchy sissoko and remy. combined fee around 20m?

    Debuchy Taylor Colo Santon
    Sissoko cabaye tiote
    Hba Ba Remy

    Tell me that wouldnt get top 4 haha. Investment!

  • 83 Transfer Sage // Nov 17, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    It would have a good chance of top 4.

    Nothing is guaranteed as there are 4/5 teams who could also get top 4.

    Would allow is to compete with arsenal, spurs and Everton for 4th.

    It’s a lot of money to spend though. Most clubs don’t spend that amount

  • 84 hattambenarfa // Nov 17, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    It doesnt have to be those players as im not into the business of creating a dream team, since if we added messi ronaldo and ibrahimovic we would prob get top four too, i was just illustrating the type of players who could take us to the next level

  • 85 JBax97 // Nov 17, 2012 at 1:42 PM

    4-4-2 is suicide without Cabaye, although we shouldn’t be playing it with him in any case, but doubly so now. We have to utilise the creative players we have left so I would suggest:
    Simpson, Taylor, Williamson, Santon
    Tiote, Anita,
    Obertan, Ben Arfa, Ferguson,

    4-2-3-1/4-5-1 is a must against Swansea.

  • 86 likeajediknight // Nov 17, 2012 at 1:49 PM

    Simpson Williamson Taylor Santon
    Anita Bigirimana
    Ben Arfa Ferguson

    That looks strange in a 4-1-2-2-1, but its just a more graded 4-3-3, Tiote holds the area in front of the back four, while Anita and Bigirimana can double as RM & LM when defending, or sit in front of Tiote depending on where the attack comes from, this continuously will hold a 2 man central pairing, with support where its needed- they can sit in front of the full backs while Tiote holds the middle ground (requires taylor to work hard) On the occasion we need men on both sides, ben arfa and ferguson can rarely drop back but primarily their job is as wide-men with less defensive duties than at present. the 4-3-3 in this way could be out best option against a fluid Swansea team; but whatever happens Taylor and Tiote have to have good games or we wont win. Williamson will need to deal with aerial threats but supposedly Taylor will need to be making the important tackles, tiote too in their build up play. rant over

  • 87 mattyNUFC // Nov 17, 2012 at 1:51 PM


    for this game, i think that formation is our only chance at getting 3 points

    i’ll take a hundred though that it’ll be 442

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Nov 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM


    Oh yeh I knew you just meant 3 quality siblings would help in those areas.

    It’s just look at how much more than us spurs have spent the last 3 years and they only had 1 year in the champs league although they finished top 4 two years.

    Only man city have cracked it and guaranteed a top 4 finish but that cost 300+million

    I don’t mind that we don’t spend big and look to get younger players in.

    What I don’t like is the fact we seemed to waste so much time on deals for de Jong, Carroll and debuchy when we could have sacked them off earlier and gone for other targets.

    We need to be looking at South American markets like Chelsea seem to now. Oscar was one and they are also reportedly after a right back and centre back too.

  • 89 catchy in norway // Nov 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM


    i think we are only a few players short of a top four team too,
    and a manager who is brave enough to go for it,,

    Bills son

    im not saying shcoles is a bad player, i think in world football he is very underated,
    but your point about fergy bringing him back just showed what a good manager he really is,, he seen his team was not good, brought a 38 year old reired footballer back in and was seconds away from winning the league,
    last season i would have picked our squad over his

    you know what fergy said at the end of the season,, he was gutted they never scored enough goals, he said if we lose the league again, it wont be because we didnt score enough goals,

    attacking is is key, not defending

  • 90 toonking // Nov 17, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    ed anita out obatan or sammy in 3 CDM is just one two many and if pardew plays that team it just makes things worse for him with these negative tactic fans think he is doing.

  • 91 FollowFollow // Nov 17, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    Prem points over the last year. Fulham 58, West Brom 56, Newcastle 54. Shows we haven’t been any good since the run at the beginning of last season.

  • 92 toonking // Nov 17, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    ed anita out obatan or sammy in 3 CDM is just one too many and if pardew plays that team it just makes things worse for him with these negative tactic fans think he is doing.

  • 93 Transfer Sage // Nov 17, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    Not sure Anita, tiote and bigi is too defensive.

    Anita can play the ball nicely and tiote has shown this year he has some good final passes in him.

    It would give a solid base to allow the front three to really play in the final third and worry Swansea

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