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Poor Newcastle Side Lose 2-1 To Swansea

5:29 pm, Saturday, November 17th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 52 Comments

For the second home league game in a row Newcastle were unconvincing and this week went down 2-1 to Swansea with all the goals coming in the second half, but if things were bad after last week’s defeat, they are going to be even worse now – and we can expect the gloom and doomers to be out in full cry – in fact they already are – and the sad fact is that we’ve now lost more games than we’ve won in the Premier League to date.

Demba Ba in action this afternoon

Newcastle were without Papiss Cisse because the Senegal FA stopped him from playing, and we were also without the suspended Fabricio Coloccini and the injured Yohan Cabaye and Jonas Gutierrez, and once again it shows the Newcastle squad is just not big enough and we cannot handle European football with this squad.

And Swansea were the better side and probably deserved to win but they were gifted a goal after 58 minutes when Tim Krul hoofed a clearance and Swansea came right back and Michu headed the ball strongly into the back of the net.

Newcastle tried to come back into the game but a second goal on 87 minutes from Jonathan De Guzman sealed Newcastle’s second home defeat in a row, after Tim Krull had made a decent save to block an initial shot, although three minutes into injury time Demba Ba did score for Newcastle as he headed to make it 2-1, after Ben Arfa had set up the chance.

But Newcastle did have their chances in this game, and after 33 minutes Hatem Ben Arfa almost scored an opener in the first half, but goalkeeper Tremmel made a good one handed save to keep out Ben Arfa’s left-footed strike, after the Frenchman had cut inside.

And Demba Ba missed a number of chances during the game, that he usually takes for Newcastle.

But in the first 30 minutes Swansea had  proven they were a good and skillful side who pass the ball around in great style, and in truth they were more than a match for a docile looking Newcastle side this afternoon,  without some of our best players.

And at the final whistle for the first time for a long time, there were boos from the Newcastle crowd, who had to endure another mediocre and uninspired game from the Newcastle side.

But on this showing Newcastle had better open the check book and bring some players in during January, because the side is simply not strong enough to have a European campaign and continue to do well in the league.

And we’ve been told the Premier League is the highest priority this season, but on this showing it doesn’t look like it.

It was another bad day at the office for Newcastle, and given it follows the poor display last weekend against West Ham, things will not be upbeat tonight on Tyneside – that’s for sure.

The wheels have come off in the league in the last two games, and next up is a long trip to Southampton next weekend, so surely we can pick up some points at St. Mary’s?

Newcastle United (4-4-2): Tim Krul; Danny Simpson (Gael Bigirimana 74), Mike Williamson, Steven Taylor (c), Davide Santon; Hatem Ben Arfa, Cheick Tiote, Vurnon Anita, Shane Ferguson (Shola Ameobi 46); Sammy Ameobi (Sylvain Marveaux 80), Demba Ba
Subs not used: Rob Elliot, James Tavernier, Mehdi Abeid, Romain Amalfitano

Swansea City (4-3-3): Gerhard Tremmel; Angel Rangel, Garry Monk (c), Ashley Williams, Ben Davies; Jonathan De Guzman, Leon Britton, Itay Shechter (Kemy Agustien 66); Pablo Hernandez, Michu (Danny Graham 82), Nathan Dyer (Wayne Routledge 62)
Subs not used: David Cornell, Chico Flores, Dwight Tiendalli, Luke Moore

Referee: Phil Dowd
Attendance: 49,403



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52 responses so far ↓

  • 1 boater // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:31 PM

    I’d have Ole in too. If he was winning us games every week I would come on here and say Woohoo we are the bestest team in the whole world. But if he dropped my favourite player, or we start losing I would come on here and mouth off about how he’s clueless and needs to play the kids…. maybe start a petition or a protest. Then I’d ask for another manager and keep going around in circles like that until we got relegated – then blame that on someone else.

  • 2 t00ntime // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:31 PM

    @mattynufc u mean last season when we won 6/7games in a row? Funny that we were playing 4-3-3 then.

  • 3 toonking // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:31 PM

    top managers need lots of top player 5-6 is not enough and with an owner like ours no matter how good a manager we get we still will not change
    england when they brought in capello who won lots of titles with his former teams could not do that with england, why? because england lacked quality.

  • 4 mattyNUFC // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    poor swanswea.

    they surely deserved the clean sheet

    boater

    **crickets**

    it would be different if we were showing some promise. we have not shown any in a very, very long time.

  • 5 Transfer Sage // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM

    Very few on here are calling for his head.

    Most want improved performances with the current manager and players.

    Only a couple people have called for his head and in fairness to them they have never liked pardew, they aren’t just wanting him gone cause of two home defeats.

  • 6 Transfer Sage // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:34 PM

    Toon king

    Funny how teams like Swansea, Everton and west brom all play better football with arguably less quality players.

    Nobody is calling for us to win the league. Just for us to play to the level we are capable of.

  • 7 Alan Pas-de-clue // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:34 PM

    Even with three in midfield we cannot dictate games, we still need a ball playing, quick passing cf i feel

  • 8 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    TS
    Repeated posts of pardew out is a fair few calling for his head like

  • 9 Toon1978 // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    FFS, Whta is there to be cheerful about Ed? Of course the doom and gloomers are out in force. 2 home games and a defeat in them both. Yes, i must admit i am a barrel of happiness atm. Lets just ignore the fact that we are not doing it at all. Its all opinions, when we are up then NUFC get plaudits but when we are sh1t then people we say so. Free speech n all :)

  • 10 Toon1978 // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    As for Pardew, then he must pull us out of this bad run. Be madness to sack him.

  • 11 Transfer Sage // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    Tads

    Wouldn’t say there are many in relation to total posters on here.

    They are definitely in the minority.

  • 12 IITianToon // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    Wow our young ones got HAMMERED BY SIX against the Mackems.. what a sad sad day aint it?

    Time for some alcohol and Pink Floyd..

  • 13 El Tino // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    Whats happening lads? Ive been reading this for a long time now and thought id put in my opinion. I guess a problem shared is a problem halved. N after the last few matches quite a few ppl are on a bit of a downer, like myself.

    As a (injury prone) winger myself, that’s the area I tend to focus more on and I genuinely think that area is the solution to our problems. Namely solving our lack of creativity. (I also think that we’ve had very few matches where cabaye,tiote,colo n taylor were all playing in the same match)

  • 14 boater // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    Having said that, something is wrong. Pardew hasn’t been helped by the non-performances of Anita and Cisse.. both of whom could have helped us start better had they hit the ground running.

    We were better when Pardew had us in his sacred 4-4-2 and working our socks off. The 4-3-3 was fun to watch but went against Pard’s cautious instincts, we’re neither one thing nor the other now – some shapeless blancmange waiting for things to happen.

  • 15 catchy in norway // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    boater

    pardew has himself to blame,,

    for me this is not about just this season, we have played poor football for 2 years under him,,

    so if ole came in, and we moved forward on the pitch, i guess most would give the guy time,

    this is 2 years of shit, masked by a table that said we where the 5th best,,

  • 16 toonking // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    TS
    is this everton WBA and swansea team in europe do they have lots of bench players ?

  • 17 toonking // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:40 PM

    bench players starting*

  • 18 G // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:40 PM

    Just seems the lads can’t string more than 2 passes together at the minute. I think even Southampton and QPR are passing the ball round better than us. Sacking AP would be a huge mistake, but we definitely need to work on the teams cohesion and motivation. Agree with everybody since Aug that we need at least 3 new bodies in the team too. We don’t have any depth at the back at all.

  • 19 archaeomag // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:40 PM

    The good news is fewer games next season – unless we win the Euro-disney Cup – which would also be good news.

  • 20 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:40 PM

    TS
    Lets hope so!
    Really hoping we get that sissoko lad in we need some composure in the middle of the park

  • 21 colwell // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    Pards has to take some of the blame as do the coaches, the way we set up, pass etc is poor. If Swansea can have average players being able to play good football surely we can?

    Its down to MA mainly we NEEDED more quality players and they never came. If anyone out it should be him before Pards.

  • 22 dead man walkin // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:42 PM

    Boater you have a good point there

    We carnt pass and we don’t look fit, I’m in my car fuming , he just doesn’t learn,

    Said it last week , fans around me are not happy to, all fingers are pointing at him, 8 year contract is to long ,

  • 23 yorkymag // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    We all knew that the team was weak and needed a significant amount of improvement in the summer but the owner and his yes men continued to hide their head in the sand andvles face it those bought have been very poor

  • 24 thebionicMAG // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    From last topic:
    I do think sacking pardew would be crazy and just add more fuel to the ‘soap opera’ tag we’ve had since the days of Keegan.

    I just dont know what he should do as I dont know enough about football to comment . However I think there should be some sort of meeting where ALL the team members (coaches included) should sit around the table, talk, study past performances and come up with a serious game plan, then take it to the players on the training ground. Its a start I suppose, and they’ve probably already done that…

  • 25 boater // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    Catchy – funny because you were saying how Pards always picked his favourites – and we needed to start Sammi and Shane. They were out of their depth today .. unsurprisingly as they are still developing.

    Just curious how you could get something so wrong.. when you seem to have all the answers?

    Sage – You think the fact that Catchy and Rotonda were calling for Pards head when we were hovering around the top 4 gives them MORE credibility?… interesting.

  • 26 boater // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    I miss Obertan

  • 27 catchy in norway // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    colwell

    pardew said he would be happy if no one left,,

    anita is quaility but not the posion we needed,,

    has anyone seen money ball?

    our club is money ball right now,, carr getting players no say from the coach and has to get on with it, if those players where in the right positions, we could win more, but pardew is playing hard ball and saying ,, hey this is my team and il play shola if i want to,,

    sack him tonight

  • 28 Toon1978 // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    Can’t believe some people are talking about sacking Pardew lol. To many players out of form and a lack of ANY support from the board to Pardew is to blame. Pardew can only f..k with the c0ck he has got so to speak. What can the man do when the chairman spends 3 million pounds in the summer? Really really poor from them at the top. If i was Pardew i would walk nevermind getting the sack. Madness from the tight maniacs from the top.

  • 29 Magpies-till-d3ath // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    Ba really needs to play on the left again, him, cisse and Benny were unplayable at times last season! It’s what’s best for the team! 12 games in, and we still haven’t got going!

  • 30 Slank // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    Colwell @ 21

    ‘..If Swansea can have average players being able to play good football surely we can.. ‘

    So you advocate buying players from lower leagues and not from teams who have won their respective leagues and have players of international and European experience?

  • 31 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    Bionic
    It couldnt hurt like
    We need the lads to step up and start to find some form we cant seem to string more than 2 passes together atm

    Boater
    A bit harsh on anita played well today and dont think you can expect a new signing to hit the ground running straight away

  • 32 woodsee // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:49 PM

    Lets get real,we were incredibly lucky to finish were we did last year,i can recall numerous games when we got lucky wins and flukey draws.This season we are finding out how mediocre we are,oh and give someone an 8 year contract,and they can very easily take there foot off the pedal

  • 33 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:49 PM

    I don’t understand how some can have such a warped view.

    Last season we played awful mostly and finished 5th. Very few said they were unhappy and most were caught up in pro Pardew mindset that saw him credited with the position, results and individual brilliance losing sight of how terrible we were as a football team.

    Now we are showing the true nature of the tactics deployed by Pardew and some are saying it’s an overreaction to call for Pardews head after a 2 game blip.

    A 2 year blip more like.

    Tell me a technically better nufc team and I’ll call you a liar!

    We have a continental squad that could easily challenge top 4 through skill, ability and quality alone yet here we sit talking aboutsoloute balls trying to stoutly defend our very poor manager.

  • 34 archaeomag // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    I see too many poorly executed passes, chips and lay offs which concede possession – Tiote is as guilty as anyone, but they all do it.
    All too casual.

  • 35 yorkymag // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:51 PM

    We all in dream world unfortunately if we think that the fat controller will sack Pardew.
    Our onl hope is tha he sees the need to invest but i do think there are now serious questions about Carr more weak signings than success at the moment

  • 36 Rotonda heights // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:52 PM

    Rotonda heights // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    ibiza

    i wasn’t being deliberately rude. As 99.9% of the time you are being ironic and sarcastic, it leaves little time
    to distinguish serious debate.

    I have never been a pardew fan. I think he is a smarmy spiv type, but that apart, I think last season we did well in spite of him, not because of him. Raylor getting injured when he did was a blessing in disguise for pardew as he was then forced in to playing Benny and a 433 system.

    But pardew is an archtypal english 442 long ball manager and even though 433 worked for him i guess he never felt really comfortble with it.

    So now we have a very talented squad (simmo and Willo apart) being managed by someone who is not at ease with a continental system which would suit most of our players.

    I would loved to have a laudrup, Rodgers, martinez type footballing manger. having a low league position when playing good football you can stomach. Having one when we are playing as badly as we are now is a different thing. Last week no Tiote was the excuse, what will next week’s be?

  • 37 El Tino // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:52 PM

    Our most creative player is ben arfa who teams are doubling up on, followed by cabaye- who is as important defensively as offensively. He is also usually the most available player in midfield including the near pass for the wingers. Not forgetting he often plays against a 3 man midfield and is outnumbered. Our next attacking-creative threat is santon and for a full back that is too much pressure unless you’re Leighton baines n a set piece specialist. (Jonas is a fantastic player although it’s a complex situation,which ill leave for another time). So that leaves our strikers. They are out and out goal scorer’s n not creators. Attacking threats but not creative threats. Cisse is suffering most with our lack of creativity as his runs are not seen etc and gets few chances. While ba n shola are more effective with our more direct/long form of play which happens more when we re off form n running out of options. We tend to go long when we’ve run out of ideas, more than it being a tactic that we mix into general short passing. We re not like a west ham or stoke who are built for a long ball game. Ba n shola might not have cisse’s pace but their superior physical aerial ability means they have been more effective this season, due to the way we are playing. But our 3 strikers are not creators unless they are from flick ons (which shola is the best at).

  • 38 Slank // Nov 17, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    One of our biggest problems are at full back. As good as Santon is he doesn’t have a natural left foot. On the right Simpson is very poor and ineffective going forward. Santon needs to play at right back with a quality left footed left back on the other side.

  • 39 yorkymag // Nov 17, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    Ba ,Cisse,Shola
    All decent in their own way but let’s get real they are all too similar and pretty average footballers room for only 2 of them Shola and Cisse get rid of Ba he is not good for the team ,we ar now seeing the same problems west ham had
    I for one hope he deploys his release clause and bring in a ootballing centre forward who can like with our very good midfield not by pass them

  • 40 Marty-Toon // Nov 17, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    Get real lads,
    No ne is gonna sack AP.
    He’s an ok manager,tactics haven’t been great but the way our teams playing is absolutely dire
    I’m so glad I didn’t see the game today,I said beforehand that we’d lose and we did.
    We look like a losing team,we are so easy to read.
    The only one trying to do something imaginative is Ben Arfa and if this rubbish keeps up a few of our boys will be off.
    Don’t wanna hang any one player out to dry but Kruls kick out was terrible for the first but where was our full back?
    Willo was the closest as the ball went free yet he let Tiote cover it and himself then was left in no mans land for the goal.
    The second goal again Willo was the nearest man to the loose ball and again didn’t get quick enough to it.
    The guy is championship material and that’s it.
    It’s not his fault he’s being picked for the team as we’ve no one else so he tries his best but every game he has one or two glitches that just give me the shivers when he’s near the ball.
    Get in a couple of replacements and sell Willo off.

  • 41 woolerbill // Nov 17, 2012 at 6:25 PM

    I have been proved right, I and other use our brain not our hearts when we say what we see. Come Xmas we will see who is over reacting. Action is what we need not words. Start kicking ass, or pay the price.

  • 42 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Nov 17, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    I does not matter which formation we play. Every team this season that has come to the Toon have been able to pass and move of the ball much better than us. We stand aroond like statues waiting for something to happen and that is usually a pass back to Williamson who hoofs it up field aimlessly or to Krul who’s distribution is woeful. Is there OPTA stats for the team with most back passes. If so I know who will be top. Take Ben arfa out of the team and we are knackered big style !!!!!

  • 43 Nufcjoss // Nov 17, 2012 at 6:46 PM

    the last couple of games have bin a cry for help! At this moment im more concerned about how the teams below us are doing it, than the gap up too the top.. 0 point in 2 home-games.. we need a miracle, or just a owner hwo is willing to pay a litle more than whats fare, for these top players who allready should have bin here..

  • 44 The Reverend Coyote // Nov 17, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    Well what can you say about that?!

    What a shambles! I don’t think I have seen a worse performance from Newcastle for quite some time – but it is sadly unsurprising because of the poor quality football we have been playing this season.

    I think Pards has a real problem. I have just listened to his interview with the Beeb and I am not sure whether he was at the same game!

    Shocking defending, no creativity in the midfield – January shopping needs to happen.

  • 45 The Reverend Coyote // Nov 17, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    The league is very much like cycling I think. A quarter of the way through the season you have break aways and when that happens you need to up your game to keep in touch with the pack and that is generally what keeps teams going.

    The bottom of the table has the same effect but in reverse. Find yourself in the bottom half and you can be dragged into this demotivating turf war which before you know it your playing Bristol City on a Tuesday night . . . but that would never happen to us right?

  • 46 West Lancs Geordie // Nov 17, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    R U really surprised by the last 2 home defeats (games we should be winning comfortably)? The club still lacks ambition. The squad we have IS big enough but it is sadly lacking quality. To be competing in PL, EL, FA Cup & League Cup we needed to be adding quality players in the Summer. Lots of rumours. little action & therefore no Douglas, no Debuchy & no quality striker – but MA & board really satisfied by hanging onto Tiote, Cabaye,Colo, Ba & Krul. We won’t keep them unless performances change dramatically. Gosling, Obertan, Williamson, Marvaux, Amafiliano, Perch to name just a few are simply not good enough when called upon. Birigama & Ferguson show promise but are just kids. Pardo is happy – he’s got a 7 year deal & knows we can’t afford to get shut. Will probably just swap Ba for Carroll in January – by no means enough. Utter Shite – no passion!

  • 47 Ian Toon // Nov 17, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    Rotonda- It appears to me that you almost want Pardew to fail because you don’t like him. You don’t know him but I suspect you’ve bought into the picture some in the the media and southern fans have painted of him. On the non selection of HBA until Raylor was unavailable couldn’t it have been because of his need to get him both mentally and physically ready to compete in the PL after a serious injury. You chide Ibiza but I don’t see excuses but explanations. We have a talented squad but one that lacks depth. Our fans inflate youngsters ability but almost all are not ready to play regularly. Disjointed performances are the outcome- today Krul was arguably at fault for both goals but we had enough opportunities to comfortably win but lacked composure( particularly Ba) in front of goal. Defensive weaknesses have been there for some time but the manager is hardly at fault for us not securing a full back and centre half. This is a time for cool heads and I don’t agree that Pardew is stuck in a time warp . He can hardly be at fault until such time as he can field a technically better team playing 4-2-3-1 something like:
    Krul-
    Santon. Taylor. Coloccini Jonas
    Tiote. Anita –
    HBA. Cabaye Marve (fluid)
    Ba/ Cisse
    The lack of replacements for Simpson and Williamson have restricted a move towards getting the team to play a more fluid style from the back and not surprisingly the manager has stuck with largely 4-4-2 . My comments have been consistently aired and not changed by recent disappointing home performances. I had conversation with some fans at the game who share your views but I don’t sense that Pardew has lost the plot( if he ever had it according to you!) and he will know that once the technical types return so will our form. It’s probably good that were away at the Saints because the support was poor today.
    Who is it who says we’re the best fans in football. Maybe when things are going well.

  • 48 croftus5678 // Nov 17, 2012 at 8:47 PM

    o…k… sadly i missed the game but we played poor so i understand……fair enough !
    but why is ba still getting stick ? again he scored and he’s still not good enough and cisse is better ??? i mean ….am i missing something here ?
    ba is a striker who said he does not like playing as a winger as he’s a goalscorer …which obv he is with 8 goals so far
    so …if the arguement is he should be playing on the wing …why doesnt cisse play on the wing (because he’s pony on the wing) but is that ba’s fault ? would it be better if ba went on the wing and was pony not trying for the team ? it makes no difference …he’s a striker and he’s one of the prems top strikers be gratefull and stop crying because if it was not for him we would be a lot worse off !!!!!!!
    all i can see in these results lately is not a formation problem its the players motivation and self belief and i can not see it helping anyone in boo’ing our own players ! we are supposed to make the other sides uncomfortable not our own players.

  • 49 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    Croftus
    Its disgusting the level of support ba gets wouldnt blame him if he left in jan

  • 50 croftus5678 // Nov 17, 2012 at 9:17 PM

    @49

    nope me either

  • 51 dannymacnufc // Nov 17, 2012 at 10:51 PM

    first time commenter here…after being at the game today and that appalled/angry/upset at what i saw i thought it was time i joined in the fun of venting….completely agree with what Transfer Sage (6) said…i dont expect newcastle to win the league but i want us to play the style of football that made us so popular during the mid 90s and early 2000’s…as soon as i read pardews match day comments in the programme about how he expected swansea to dominate possession i expected the worst, completely wrong attitude and should be unforgivable

  • 52 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:51 AM

    Here we go again!

    So we lose two games in a Row, “So What”!

    Our Cofidence must have tave dipped and we have problems, of that can there be no doubt. But i am not panicking, “Yet”!

    To even suggest or even talk about getting rid of Pardew on here is pure folly, but then i never expected them to sack Hughton but they did.

    The Problem is not the Manager, it is a number of things together, Injuries, Suspensions, plus the fact that we are having to give some of the youth players their debuts when maybe they are not ready. We are creating chances and not scoring!

    We are in a dip, but not in a crisis!




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