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Pragmatic Pardew – Let’s Concentrate On Next Two Hurdles

2:54 pm, Sunday, November 18th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 129 Comments

Alan Pardew is under some pressure at the moment,  after seeing Newcastle lose two home games in a row at home against what we would consider mediocre sides in West Ham and Swansea, and no disrespect to those two clubs but it’s not like we were beaten by Chelsea and Manchester City for instance.

Alan Pardew – challenges players

Alan Pardew has today done the only thing he can do –  and that is to challenge the players he has available to do well in the upcoming games, on Thursday night against Maritimo at home,  and at Southampton next Sunday afternoon.

If we can win on Thursday night it will give the lads a bit of a lift, because we will have qualified for the final 32 and the knock out rounds of that competition, and put the team in good stead for what may be a difficult game at Southampton next Sunday.

This is what Alan Pardew said today:

“We certainly don’t want to lose three home games on the trot, that would be a blow.” “Maritimo is a big game for us because if we can win it, it guarantees qualification.”

“That’s what we need to do, get one hurdle out of the way and then look for our first win away from home in the Premier League in the next game.” “They are the two immediate hurdles in front of us.”

The Newcastle manager will also see how his players react when things are not going well, and we’ll be able to see who the players are who will rise to the occasion.

And we saw yesterday that Hatem Ben Arfa did his utmost to turn things around for Newcastle, and the French International is easily our Man of the Match with over 67% of the vote.

The Frenchman is  followed by the ever improving and consistent Davide Santon and third is Cheick Tiote, who made a good return to the side, and he didn’t even get a yellow card yesterday. :D

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129 responses so far ↓

  • 1 jayphoto // Nov 18, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    very pro pardew, but I gotta agree with Matty! GC’s a scouting gets a lot more credit than its due! We were and recommended Tiote my Steve Mclaren, Cabaye had been the best central midfielder in Frances champion team for a couple seasons, the world and his dog knew about HBA’s talent from Lyon days and papiss had one of the top goal records in Germany! Doesn’t take a genius to unearth these players! Il be more impressed if amalfitano or abeid or good come good but as yet they haven’t!
    Infact if you look at it, the players threatening to make the first team – Tavernier, Ferguson, Sammy, vuckic, Campbell all came through the youth set up, maybe we should be praising Beardsley or donachie who were responsible for coaching these young lads

  • 2 G // Nov 18, 2012 at 2:59 PM

    AP should concentrate on going back to the drawing board on both selection and tactic, so he can try to work out why we cant string 3 passes together.

  • 3 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    Unfortunately I think it’ll be three home losses in a row. We hardly deserved the win in Portugal. Maritimo couldn’t finish to save their lives but man can they play some nice football

  • 4 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:01 PM

    jay

    glad someone else agrees. I’d hate to have Neil Taylor or Maiga (to name a few among many) anywhere near our team

  • 5 shear-class // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    Why not go back to 4-3-3 with Ba on left Ben Arfa on Right And Cisse through Middle it served us so well last season itlooks like pardews trying toaccomodate Ba but its not winning us Games

  • 6 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    cool hand luke, a few threads back….

    I agree. when looking at the stats and nearly 90% of our attacks came down the middle, what other player would you want controlling it other than HBA

    the only problem in my mind is where do you put Cabaye? on current form I’d drop him…..if we had any suitable wingers to replace HBA in a 433. you could always play two attacking CMs but i think it negates the advantage of two deep holding CMs. Get Cabaye in his best position (CAM), tiote and anita shoring up the attack and HBA will do what he does best, wherever he is on the pitch

  • 7 ONLINE GUY // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    I think Football is shagged ..Why ?

    Money at the top and Howard Webb

    Is Howard Webb A cheat ?

    And do Man Utd receive.. at least… the benefit of
    15 points per season from Ref’s who think twice about giving major decisions against them?.

    RE : Ferdinands tackle on Ba in the box , right in front of Webb

    The world and his wife said pen, Webb said play on !

    We Had to beat 12 men that night

    Howard Webb .. Cheat.?

  • 8 Marty-Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    We’ve changed ur team for Europe and played those on the sidelines..so I don’t understand your point of it affecting our form.
    It’s Lear we shoulda strengthened but that doesnt excuse the facts such as:
    Jonas can’t cross a ball
    Willo panics in defence
    Tiote loses the ball too often
    Obertan runs around like a headless chicken
    The team pass the ball like its hot
    Apart from Santon and Ben Arfa the rest of the team have been poor in too many games with lots of individual errors,that isn’t because of Europe or lack of options( apart from Willo).
    AP chooses players that are consistently poor on the field

  • 9 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    marty-toon

    it doesn’t change anything. only the last game or two have we had to have a few more first teamers in the europa league. I’m sorry, but if you can’t perform with 2-4 days rest in between maybe you should be doing something else

    far from a valid excuse but i think we all knew if the season transpired the way it has, this would be APs scapegoat. pretty poor one if you ask me

  • 10 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    Great. Cabaye could be out untill january with his injury.
    Fecks sake.

    Is anything gonna go for us this season?

  • 11 OhSholaAmeobi // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:22 PM

    Europa league isn’t an excuse, however injuries and suspensions haven’t helped. I don’t want to see simmo and willo near the team again.
    The only reason I’m concerned is the performances have been shocking. Seen lack of basic control and passing, which isn’t good enough. No communication at the back etc.

  • 12 OhSholaAmeobi // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    Don’t know if people remember but last year we started off with obertan on the right (who i don’t rate but he was good at tracking back etc) and best playing the hold-the-ball-up role. Would like to see this given a try with ben arfa pushed forward and a left winger like marveaux or sammy (4-2-3-1). And football played ALONG THE GROUND.

  • 13 woolerbill // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    It’s not only the players reaction, It’s pardew’s, he should be pulling his hair out and balling at them, get some balls, or get out

  • 14 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Ameobi

    i think most fans want that. sure many are content just with results but swansea played some beautiful stuff yesterday. in the end this is about entertainment. we’ve hardly been entertained by the team for the past two years, save for occasional individual brilliance from a select few.

  • 15 woolerbill // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    It’s not only the players reaction, It’s pardew’s, he should be pulling his hair out and balling at them, get some balls, or get out.

  • 16 Marty-Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    Matty,
    That’s true.
    To be honest I didn’t expect a win yesterday because there’s too many error prone players in the team and our style of play is easy to read of late.
    Apart from Ben Arfa that is.
    Even when Collo and Tayls have been there,it’s like we had nothing going forward and seldom look like breaking down other teams.
    Weve just been playing poor.
    I love Jonas in the way he gives everything but this season he has given us so little going forward and isn’t that what a winger is for??
    Willo is our 2nd choice defender and is very capable of doing a titus bramble in every game,it’s not his fault that he’s in te team as there’s no one else but he’s not PL standard.

  • 17 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    as for entertainment, i think it also has to be said HBA is probably the most entertaining player in the league. I’m hard-pressed to think of any player who can produce the magic he’s capable of. Hazard, Suarez, Mata, they are all world-class but who would you rather see at full speed with the ball at their feet, be it one on one or one on ten?

    really hope this guy stays happy here and is with us for a while longer

  • 18 Marty-Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    Didn’t see the game yesterday and wasn’t shocked to see we lost unfortunately :-(
    But having eardrum on hear that we actually played well in long periods.
    Is this true?

  • 19 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    Marty

    really think Guti should be our new LB, move santon to the right where he’s proven a bit more potent with the ball at his feet. saves money on a wingback and maybe can then finally address our CB, striker and winger issues

  • 20 Marty-Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    I think we will get a couple of good players in january and that’ll make the difference and keep the other players happy.
    Just right now we’re difficult to watch

  • 21 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    marty

    we had a lot of the ball but don’t buy into the notion that we weren’t that bad. It’s what you do with the ball. Our attacks were disjointed, our defending obsolete and holding onto possession seemed more difficult than should have been with our at-times erratic passing. HBA ran the show and even he could have played better

    if this sort of form continues over the xmas break, i think you will be hard-pressed to find many folks in support of pardew

  • 22 Marty-Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    Could also push santon to LM as he likes to cut inside and attack

  • 23 toonLYF // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    what’s this about Cabaye being out until the new year, anyone? :( FFS!

  • 24 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    Cabaye out untill January apparently. Not good.

  • 25 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    Woah… Toonlyf – creepy.

    Yeah apparently he’s out untill January with his groin injurie. He needs surgery I think.

  • 26 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    and on the pardew situation, marty,

    my opinion is that i want him gone. BUT he needs more time. sacking him now could have very good repercussions, but they could also be very bad. I don’t like his style, his arrogance or his excuses but i think it’s too soon to call for his head. this is his toughest test yet; fan unrest, injuries, suspensions and not meeting basic expectations. I’ll give him til the new year until I personally call for his head. It’s just such a shame as on a player-to-player basis, we easily have a top six team. we’re doing anything but utilizing them though

    I don’t think we will get three points against Maritimo b/c we hardly deserved them in Portugal. they are a very good passing, attacking team. I think the slump will continue and it’s up to Pards to see how he will react against a very good southampton side

  • 27 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    ok, so, if cabayes out this is it for me:

    santon……colo…..saylor……guti
    …………anita……….tiote…………
    ………………HBA/Abeid…………
    HBA/sammy…………fergi/marv/ba
    ………………..cisse/ba…………….

    alot to choose from there. no need to panic. when cabaye plays a deep CM role he doesn’t offer anything any way

  • 28 OhSholaAmeobi // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    Not bothered how we play against maritimo as long as we get the win, get through, can put that to one side, play a youth team in the final game.
    What has to improve is how we play in the league. First kick of the game yesterday was williamson hoofing it forward, just like west ham did the week beforehand.
    We desperately need coloccini back. And perch, and cabaye. Anyone know how long they’re out for?

  • 29 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:52 PM

    Ameobi

    does it matter whether Perch is back? For whatever reason Willo is ahead of him in the CB pecking order and if he plays at CM, we’ll essentially be with two DCMs again in tiote and perch. not exactly promising

    sad thing, he clearly deserves the third CB role of will

  • 30 catchy in norway // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:54 PM

    matty

    forget about the game on thursday, we will get through to the next round and get nocked out then, we have had 3 teams in our group that wouldnt get in our league 1 right now,

    our next 8 fixtures

    Southampton V Newcastle Sun 25 Nov 15:00
    Stoke V Newcastle Wed 28 Nov 19:45
    Newcastle V Wigan Mon 3 Dec 20:00
    Fulham V Newcastle Mon 10 Dec 20:00
    Newcastle V Man City Sat 15 Dec 12:45
    Newcastle V QPR Sat 22 Dec 15:00
    Man Utd V Newcastle Wed 26 Dec 15:00
    Arsenal V Newcastle Sat 29 Dec 17:30
    stoke and southampton willbe hard because there away games and other than the QPR GAME,, I DONT SEE POINTS BEING ADDED TO OUR TALLY

    i think infact our goals against colom could look very bad come jan 13

  • 31 OhSholaAmeobi // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    Matty

    Can’t understand how or why we haven’t got a better option than willo, he cost us a few points last season, we always look much better with colo-saylor partnership.
    Been impressed with perch, he’s definitely our 3rd CB, and 2nd DM, and arguably our best utility player. Like you say though, who can we play alongside tiote while cabs is out that isn’t defensive-minded. Bigi/Anita/Perch/Tiote/Gutierrez are all pretty much the same player in that position, tiote being the better of all of them.

  • 32 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    catchy

    that is scary, man

    on current form

    southampton – loss
    stoke – win
    wigan – loss
    fulham – loss
    man city – loss
    qpr – draw
    man u – loss
    arsenal – loss

    pretty pessimistic but going off of what i have seen. ffs the reality only set in this morning when i read that we’ve won ONE out of our last TEN league games. that, whether it will continue or happen or otherwise, is easily relegation form

  • 33 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:03 PM

    ohshola

    well, if we stick to 442, which i’m assuming we will, might as well consign ourselves to a very bad run until cabs/reinforcements get back. If pards can sack up and play a 433, we could easily have tiote and anita holding CM and either HBA or Abeid in the CAM role

  • 34 catchy in norway // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:04 PM

    matty

    4 points out a possible 24, takes us to 18 for half a season,
    :(

    i dont see it much better,, is there a better time for the likes of stoke or southamton to play us,,

    god forbid qpr beat us, i think they will have a new manager by then :(

    this is why i have been saying JFK all over again

  • 35 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:06 PM

    you know what catchy

    I had to reason and say ‘there’s no way we’ll lose all these games’ but stoke will always prove tricky and qpr will find their feet, whether it’s under Hughes or someone else. there is a very real possibility, on current form of course, that we could pick up 0 points

    highly unlikely but you never know with this football club

  • 36 OhSholaAmeobi // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    matty

    agreed, 4-4-2 is an awful formation for us, we play 2 right footed men on the left wing, who both can’t cross and cut inside (slightly better with fergie there) and on the right wing we have ben arfa who clearly doesn’t want a fixed position, and a right back that can’t get forward/overlap/run at the defence and is constantly out of position!
    Add that to the fact that cabaye can’t get forward and play through balls while he’s having to defend the midfield, and cisse/ba try and do the same thing, it’s a mare!
    Our defence is incredibly poor at the moment, something the return of coloccini, the signing of a full back/debuchy and a better back-up CB will improve.

  • 37 catchy in norway // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    matty i know,,

    we could beat man u man city, who knows,,

    last thread,,

    when will ppl realize that is has nothing really to do with who we didnt buy in the summer, we could have bought messi and ronaldo, but if the manager decides he dont want to put them in the right position, they wont have an impact on the team,

    the players have no direction, full stop, this can not be argued against,

    we have a gem of a player, HBA,

    big teams build there teams around such players, we just play around him,

    sad

    so sad

  • 38 catchy in norway // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:13 PM

    any way one of the hurdles is pardews EGO, the second is pardew

  • 39 Marty-Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    Simmo is in decent form I think and has got forward well but again very few deliveries.
    He’s been caught out of position of late,otherwise I think we should try keep the guy

  • 40 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    very good point catchy

    it’s not about who we didn’t sign. would it be nice to have a better CB and a better RB? of course, but both of those problems could be solved with personnel we already employ

    it’s so unimaginative it’s cringeworthy.

  • 41 catchy in norway // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    can i just say that when transfer time comes in january,,

    NUFC will be held to randsom, every man and his dog know we need a CB, and with simpson being free to talk to anyone he likes, we will need a RB

    oh what a tangled web you weav LAMBASS

  • 42 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:18 PM

    Marty

    i’d have no problems retaining simmo as a second choice RB. In worst-case scenarios it’s better to have a replacement than not (cough)

    but I’d like to see santon RB and guti LB personally

  • 43 Marty-Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    Catchy
    If we had Messi on the lw or up front he would pass the ball in consecutive one twos with Cabaye and Ben Arfa without his position being a problem as the opposition wouldn’t be able to stop his dribbling.
    It’s the same for Hba that had we one more classy passer of a ball in there then those 3 guys would destroy other teams of course when Cabaye has to ly so deep it doesn’t give Hba any back up and no outlet

  • 44 catchy in norway // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    mattyNUFC

    i said that weeks ago and got shot down,,

    i dont see a place in the team for jonas other than LB or RB like he plays for his country

  • 45 catchy in norway // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:22 PM

    Marty-Toon

    pardew would pass the ball over them,,

    we have cabye and HBA now in our team, and he does it to them,

    sad

  • 46 catchy in norway // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    you see the problem
    i see the problem
    many others see the problem

    but it flies over pardews head

  • 47 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    marty

    that’s precisely where the most obvious problem to me atleast lies.

    we have to have a 3 man midfield in order to free up cabaye so he can do what he does best.

  • 48 OhSholaAmeobi // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM

    Pardew’s not the one playing CB or RB though, if willo/simmo were good enough they’d be far more comfortable in possession, be able to head it sideways or to one of our players, not get outmuscled by little twits like nathan dyer, not hoof it forward instead of passing it, not get caught out of position every single time the opponent breaks.
    Willo needs replacing. Simmo can rot on the bench or in the reserves, especially now he’s going out with that chav.

  • 49 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:27 PM

    i don’t think cabs will ever be a quick one-two type of player but he can be a 10-12 goal a season midfielder with just as many assists. his return since he’s been here is not where it should be

    look at lille. he played in a 433 just behind the front three and in front of two holding CDMs. does the same for france

  • 50 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:29 PM

    haha, ohshola,

    i pull better than that and i’m not even a professional footballer. c’mon simmo, if you can’t do it on the field, at least up your game on the women you associate with!

  • 51 catchy in norway // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    mattyNUFC

    cabaye is the thread neat through balls type of player,, he loves players moving in front of him given him options, he has a fantasic shot on him, also he play place the ball with finess, he never just lashes the ball,,

  • 52 jasper // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:33 PM

    I’ve been skimming through the comments. i agree especially with Sav (one very pertinent one), Graeme, Bill-son and TS as to the tactical shortcomings of the current team.

    I was in the ground yesterday. Positives were increased pressing – note that we had equal possession with Swansea, something we didn’t expect. Anita was getting more involved whilst he was in midfield. We had a good period at the beginning of the second half when we were getting well in top of them and the noise went up at last. And Tiote was being much more sensible than in earlier games.

    Downside: pundits criticise some sides for being too narrow. We seem to be the first ever side to be too wide. We try to go down one or other side but never ever through the middle (at least not on the ground). And when we go down the side only two or three players participate (e.g. Santon/Fergie or HBA/Simpson. The midfield seems to vanish so options for interplay are very limited and predictable.
    This is an example of the way that the ball carrier is not supported. Our players pass and then don’t move. In this respect the contrast with WBA and Swansea’s performance was glaring. No one wants to receive the ball at a throw in and we seem to lose it more often than we retain it. Whereas the Swansea players seemed to hold on to the ball in the most unpromising situations (from their point of view) we lose it all to easily. Our players don’t seem to be able to find an outlet due to the absence of movement by their colleagues.
    The worst example of non-movement was when we regained the ball deep and I counted no fewer than seven of our outfielders WALKING up the field watching HBA, Ba and one other getting on with it.

    As a result of this we have only two strategies. One is hoofball or at least a long pass into a channel for Ba to try to run on to. The second is for either HBA, Santon or Sammy to run at the opposition. That’s it. Little evidence of interplay to release another player into space.
    The lack of coaching here was demonstrated by Ferguson’s poor display. On several occasions where was space in front of him for a pass he was back on his heels when he should have been going flat out saying pass it here. So he got the ball 20 yards + from the byline when he could have received it level with the last defender and make use of his outswinging cross. In this respect Simpson did a lot better with his movement – but then he still has to cross it effectively…….
    There seems to be a culture of taking on opponents instead of passing and moving. But when Ferguson tried it he found that he was not up against the Maritimo fullback this time and lost every time.

    As others have said the absence of a driving midfielder was driven home by Diame’s performance for West Ham. Perhaps this has been recognised and the interest in Sissoko is real? Certainly we need to do something about the perpetual absence of any player getting into the zone between the opposition midfield and defence.

    Frankly I don’t know exactly what they should do about the set pieces but when they hit the ball to Willo at the back post AGAIN I could have screamed. When will they notice it doesn’t work? This is the sort of thing that really makes me wonder if they know what they are doing.

    None of these are issues to do with formations. Other than the “Diame” requirement neither are they about new players either. They are about coaching, tactics and motivating the players. The management team are not delivering on this at all and need to wake up big time.

  • 53 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    great post, jasper

    I think every NUFC fan the world over IS screaming when we waste our set plays on that hallow head of willo.

    no matter what pardew thinks, willo will never be that 5-8 goal CB pardew said we’d get in the summer.

    one good thing about willo this year though: not QUITE as many longballs as last year.

    downside to that: he thinks he can dribble

  • 54 seancavaz // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:42 PM

    ‘Rome wasn’t built in a day. But I wasn’t on that particular job.’

    ‘Players lose you games, not tactics. There’s so much crap talked about tactics by people who barely know how to win at dominoes’

    ‘If God had wanted us to play football in the clouds, he’d have put grass up there’ -

  • 55 Marzy // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    There is several problems with our team, but the biggest is the fact we cant play decent football. From the back Krul will rarely throw the ball out “good keeper though”, Williamson hoofs the ball, simpson has no attacking flair whatsoever, the midfield rely on picking up scraps instead of creating for themselves, wingers can’t cross & the forwards are struggling to get into the game so have to come deep to try…!.
    One thing I have noticed this season is the massive gaps we are leaving in the center & at the back when we havnt got possession??,CB’s are far to distant away from each other & thats why are difence is crap..!!.
    But I will always love the toon.

  • 56 catchy in norway // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    1000000% right

    Now who deals with that ;)

    2 years to get to this level, have we moved forwards or backwards ?

    Is the club more stable now, just because we have not sacked a manager

    Bills son was just saying how great Mashley has done, I think he sent the club backwards with the sacking CH and appointment if Pardew

    Maybe CH wasn’t the man to take the club to the next level, but that level we were on with CH was better and more stable than this one

  • 57 Graeme // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    Jasper @ 51 Absolutely spot on mate.

  • 58 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:50 PM

    catchy

    i find it harder and harder to criticize the regime. they’ve been pretty blunt about what they will and won’t do

    excuses from the manager though, now that just irks me. if all i gave were excuses for underperforming to my bosses theyd replace me with someone who could work within those confines

  • 59 OhSholaAmeobi // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    It’s alright everyone. We’re going to sign Mateo Musacchio, Cheik M’Bengue, Moussa Sissoko and Loic Remy in january, I had a premonition last night.

  • 60 G // Nov 18, 2012 at 4:57 PM

    Off subject, but is anybody else sh**ing it about playing Southampton? Always think of them as a massive thorn in our side in the Prem.

  • 61 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    G

    Lambert, Lallana and Ramirez have the ability to tear our backline to pieces

  • 62 G // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:01 PM

    @ post 60, very true, however, I don’t think it would matter if they fielded the 76 cup final squad and their zimmer frames, I still think they would do us over at their place!

  • 63 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:02 PM

    if we play like we have all season, we don’t stand a chance. I don’t care what the table says, they have a very good team. If they got another CB to play with Fonte they’d be cruising.

  • 64 Santon03 // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM

    I don’t understand when people blaming MA for our bad results, how come you blame someone for not being as rich as the arab owners or abramovic? We are probably have the same financial power as Wigan, Swansea, Everton or Fulham, but people want the owner to spend like Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs or MC, it’s insane.

    The problem lies with the tactic, we don’t play to our strengths. We lose against WH and Swansea because simply they are more equiped to play long ball than we are. Our players are quicker and better skills, but they were too deep to start counter attacking. Playing long ball, their players are stronger than ours and taller, it’s very easy to deal with. Cabaye is not underperform, he just confused, he is a great passer but there is noone to pass to. Unless AP willing to try something new, we will be losing a lot more games.

  • 65 G // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:07 PM

    @ 63, I’m not blaming the owner, manager, or even the players for our current slump, I also don’t hold with this blaming injuries malarkey. The club should have cover for every position, but we don’t, but I’m not even blaming that. I don’t know what’s gone on recently, but confidence seems low, team ethic seems almost non-existent, and motivation doesn’t look too clever. The wheel has fell off somewhere, and it needs addressing fast.

  • 66 Graeme // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:08 PM

    And just to really piss us all off – scum take the lead at Fulham through Fletcher.

  • 67 G // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    @65, wouldn’t worry too much, Fulham scoring for fun lately, and the mackems are about as tight at the back as the village people.

  • 68 Graeme // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:12 PM

    G – Mate that’s a priceless comment pmsl

  • 69 G // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    @ 67, would love to claim it as an original comment, but was shamelessly stolen from a Gordon Ramsey interview about the Scottish national squad.

  • 70 Graeme // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:20 PM

    62 mins and Fulham just equalized – took the scum apart in some style, with ease – phew lol

  • 71 t00ntime // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    I dont think fulham are going to beat the mackems which means they are 1 point behind us and a game in hand (against reading) so 2pts ahead of us.
    We are quater of the way through the season and 13th place! I dont care whos fault it is, i dont care weather its tactics, motivation, formation, MA, Ap, training schedule etc. it has to be fixed before it becomes unfixable. Thats all i care about because thats all thats important, us as fans can speculate but we cant know what the problem is and i think we all agree as long as it gets fixed we dont really care. But unfortunatly even if its MA’s/Dl’s (etc)fault, AP will get the blame because he is judged on results.

    Just my opnion anyway

  • 72 Graeme // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    BUT scum make it 1-2 in 64 mins

  • 73 Graeme // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    Oh shit, 1 – 3 ; a scorcher from Sessingnon

  • 74 G // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    Right, the crystal ball is going back in the cupboard and I’m going to shut up with my predictions now.

  • 75 mot7 // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    Best make the most of watching ben arfa because he will soon get sick of of playing in a team that are at least 2 steps behind him .As for the rest i wouldnt be to botherd if any of them go in the summer none of them seem to want to take control of the game they all seem to go through the motions and are waiting for a team mate to do something Ben arfa is the only player to force his game on the opposition the others just try to contain the opposing team

  • 76 Rotonda heights // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:42 PM

    shear class @ comment 5

    That’s been abundantly clear to every man and his dog since the get go this season.

    But because Ba won’t play out left any more Pardew inexplicably felt the need to jack in that successful system and play the painful 442 which we really struggle at and has already cost us doing anything in the league this season.

    All pardew had to do was put Cisse on the bench, play Ba in the middle with Benny right of him and any one of Marveaux, Sammi, Obertan and Ferguson left of him and let Cabs get forward in an advanced role.

    A blind man can see 442 has negated all of that and at a time when we could have really moved forward. we went back to 442 for the last 4 games of last season when CL was beckoning.

    Yes having 2 non footballing CH’s like Willo and Simmo has hindered progress, but I still think with our players playing to their strengths we are a match for anyone

    krul

    santon Colo Saylor Jonas

    Tiote Anita

    Cabaye

    Benny Ba Marveaux

    Take yesterday for example. One player who could have played the cabaye role, Abeid nowhere to be seen. Pragmatic is a good word for Pardew, ie boring , dour, defensive, negative kill joy.

  • 77 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    last year it was benny not playing (still have heard no valid excuse when he probably would outperform most of his teammates with his arms tied behind his back)

    this year it’s formations.

    such a stubborn pr!ck this guy

  • 78 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    Graeme…don’t beat yourself up mate!

    …we need to sort ourself out first (it is not a crisis yet. We are in a slumb, but there are afew things we need to adress)

    It is still a long season and I think we will bounce back…Pards is no dummy I am sure :-)

  • 79 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:49 PM

    Catchy – I don’t want to misrepresent you but is it your view that we’ll get a maximum of 4 points from our next 8 Premier league games. Just want to be sure I have understood or possibly not what your forecasting. Is this futuristic forecast from the same crystal ball that you used last season when you said, before a ball was kicked, that we would be playing Championship football this season. Just thought it would be helpful to clarify.

  • 80 hoppernufc // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:49 PM

    Krul
    Simpson colo Taylor santon

    Anita. Tiote
    Cabs
    Benny. Obertan
    Ba

  • 81 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:52 PM

    Jesper- Sorry I couldn’t deliver on your birthday present. I have not forgotten . Just remember something worth having is worth waiting for. Mind you if you believe Catchy you could be waiting a long time.
    Hope your making the best of the weekend.

  • 82 Graeme // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    Jespar, I’m cool mate, just thought watching scum lose would be suitable relief after watching at SJP yesterday, my Sister & Hubby are avid Fulham fans.

    It wasnt to be, so cooking dinner while enjoying a glass of very nice Red is just as soothing lol

  • 83 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    What bemuses me is the amount of long balls played by every single member of the back four barring Santon and maybe Collo. If I was made manager tomorrow the first thing I would do is tell Krul & Williamson to cut out hoofing the ball up field and conceding possession, its a no brainer and a blind man could see it is bad for the team.

    If we keep the ball and frustrate the opposition it will draw them out and create space for the likes of Ba & Cisse. I sometimes wonder why Pardew brought in ball players like Cabaye & Anita if we are just going to lump it over their heads every time and totally nullify the way they want to play, absolutely baffles me

  • 84 Graeme // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    Big Pappa – surely the 1st thing you would do is put Williamson in the reserves. He has a turning circle bigger than the Titanic – after it hit the bloody iceberg!!!

  • 85 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    Ian…all good things come to those who wait :-)

    …I am also confident we will turn it around; maybe it is good to get a reality check – maybe we as a club and a team have been a bit arrogant of late :-)

    …complacency is there for all to see (even from Pardew)

    Did you go to the game? It is fun to read different posters view on the game – both from thos who went and those who saw in in the telly just like me :-)

  • 86 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 5:59 PM

    Former Prime Minister Harold Wilson believed anyone that rejected change was the architect of decay. It’s those wise words that seem equally applicable to both Swansea and Newcastle – with the latter failing to adhere to his warning.

    from soccernet.com

    pretty telling article if you ask me. 90% of journalists think of our league position last season and that alone. the football was never that great in the first place.

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/1229524/heneage:-newcastle-paying-for-lack-of-investment?cc=5739

  • 87 Rotonda heights // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    Big papa

    yep drives me bonkers and cabs and benny must think they’ve been brought in under false pretences.

    Pardew is making allardyce and Pulis look like purists!!! Still he is the genius who thought hoof ball to marlon harewood and playing him and mullins ahead of Tevez and Macherano was the way to go.! Says it all. Nothing to do with money or resources, just a mind set.

  • 88 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:02 PM

    Graeme…so we have a case here of no one being happy ;-) lol

    …okay, we have to hope for a better week to come. It havent gone our way lately.

  • 89 mot7 // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    Big pappa
    Agree 100% pards bangs on about controling the game so it seems he either doesnt know how to coach a passing side or certain players arnt taking resposibility and showing for the ball in the right areas maybe there just not good enough and revert to the big punt when under pressure

  • 90 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    Play this formation/lineup
    4231
    Krul
    Simo-taylor-colo-guti
    Tiote-anita
    Benarfa-cabaye-santon
    Ba/cisse

    Santon should be played in an a more advanced role, he is too good going forward to be kept at left back.

    There is great chemistry at the back with 2 english and 2 argentines, it makes sense as guti is also a left back.

    Tiote and anita should be partnered in thw middle of the field. Tiote with his brute strength and anita with his technical ability and they both can pass and keep the ball well.

    Have benny boy cutting in from the right and santon from the left and cabaye in an advance role feeding those killer balls to either of the dembas.

    Pardew neess to sort out his negative tactics amd start playin with a bit more confidence and passing football. Hes taking quality players and turning them into typical premiership survivors.

    If i had my way is have pardew managing the team and have someone like myself running the tactics for the team.

    The reason i say that is because i like pardew and think is man mangement is top class but tim after time i have seen his shit defencive twctics make us look like an average premiership team!!

    We are miles better than this!!!!!!

    Come on pardew, lets show the boys at the top we can compete!!!!!

  • 91 hoppernufc // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:05 PM

    Makes me wonder if pardew knows what he’s talking about when he says we didn’t control the midfield/ game, what does he expect playing 2 CM players? It’s basic Maths our 2 CM get overrun ever game because most the time there playing v 3 CM on the opposition team, it’s simple things like this that makes me wonder if he’s knows what he’s talking about

  • 92 BelfastMagpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:05 PM

    We actually look a decent team,when we pass it around.

    That’s the most annoying thing about the hoooooof ball.

  • 93 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:08 PM

    Rotonda@ 75—– Looks a familiar post!! So you have come around
    to my way of thinking. See @47 yesterday @ 7.23 pm on Ed’s article and verdict on our defeat.

  • 94 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:10 PM

    Jesper- yes I am a glutton for punishment.

  • 95 hoppernufc // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:10 PM

    Cockneymagpie- totally agree about santon, I mentioned that on here a couple of days ago, spurs converted bale from left back to winger n we should do the same, santon would be a force on the wing.

  • 96 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    @Jasper 13 previous article
    Nov 18 – 4:10 PM

    Completly agree with all that great post

  • 97 ONLINE GUY // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    Berbatov would have been the perfect player in the present Newcastle team either up front or a little deeper in the middle ..perfect .

    Newcastle fan .

    Ho much did Fulham pay for him ?

  • 98 BelfastMagpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:16 PM

    4 or 5 million for berbatov I think.

    I heard he was a newcastle fan as a kid too.

    Would of been a great signing.

  • 99 Alan Pas-de-clue // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:21 PM

    our problem is we dont score enough ‘normal’ goals, every goal is a wonder strike, a piece of individual brilliance, or a complete blunder by the opposition. our build up play is non existent, we have noone to effectively link central midfield and attack, especially when cabaye comes deep

  • 100 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:21 PM

    Jasper…a very long post but valid indeed :-)

    …some of it I have been voiceing lately as well. Especially after the Swansea game!

    …there are more than one aspect to blame, but for me Pards need to take responsibility for Swansea defeat.

  • 101 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:21 PM

    mattyNUFC@85—- LOL Wilson was arguing against restrictive practice in scientific technological change. Not whether Pardew should adopt 4-2-3-1 or variations thereof.

  • 102 mot7 // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    Our team doesnt work hard enough we dont press teams when they have the ball. Not enough players show for the ball when we have possesion our midfield does not seem to want to get past the forwards and drive the team on our forwards only ever get to flick the ball on or pass backwards not that they can do much else because outside the box there shite but if they dont score no one does .

  • 103 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    U know that hopper!

    And online guy, i totally agree WTF?

    It seems like we make great decisions buying players but the obvious ones that stare us in the face that would make our team a whole lot better e.g berba, johnson, remy dont get a look in.

    Absolute joke.

  • 104 ONLINE GUY // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    Belfast ..Berbatov is a thinking player with a great level of skill..easy to see ..class player not lazy like some say, a thinker..up front, magic ..and playing slightly withdrawn role ,brilliant.

    But we don’t sign old men policy, rules.

  • 105 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    Belfast
    His transfer fee wasn’t that high but think his wages are well above our salary cap shame though he looks to be a great signing for fulham

  • 106 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    Cockney
    There the obvious signings to some fans but dont know why we all know the club has a salary cap right berba and johnson were on tonnes more than our cap both raking in 6 figures a week
    Remy weve been constantly linked with no proof we not intrested

  • 107 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    Pardews tactics = JOKE

    Its funny because im not the only one moaning about it. People that dissagree are deluded dreamers and unless something drastically changes with the way we play our games, you can expect a mid-table finish for sure.

  • 108 BelfastMagpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:32 PM

    I would break the wage structure for the likes of Berbatov lol

    Even if it meant getting rid of a couple of fringe players,to fund it..

    We’re crying out for a striker like him,in my opinion.

  • 109 ONLINE GUY // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:32 PM

    Iv picked up on the fact that each of our players likes to fanny with the ball for a few seconds before releasing it.

    That gives the opposition time …when none should be given .

    Have you ever played against a one touch team ?
    It is an absolute Bast*rd to play against ..awful ..and Swansea do that a lot and applied it yesterday ,,really difficult to counter.

  • 110 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:32 PM

    Matty sorry@ 85

  • 111 BelfastMagpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:35 PM

    Ben Arfa and Berbatov in the same team,Now that would of been nice. ;)

  • 112 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:35 PM

    And im not sayin this because weve lost our recent games, iv said it since game 1 this season and will keep sayin it until something changes.

  • 113 ONLINE GUY // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    Cept Mike Willimson ..He IS a Fa**y

    I hate having a pop at players but he really is off the pace and was without doubt like a big girls proverbial yesterday against Swansea. He was a nightmare to watch.

    I shudder when anything tricky approaches him.

  • 114 mot7 // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    Our forwards are that shite outside the box they dont give our team time to push up and keep the opposition pushed back in there own half they only want to run one way towards the oppositions goal and when they do show for the ball the generaly give it away because there touch is crap caby cant push up because when he gets there the ball is already on its way towars our goal,

  • 115 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    433
    Simmo-saylor-colo-guti
    —cabaye-tiote-anita—
    Benarfa-ba/cisse-santon

    How can pardew not see this????

  • 116 Alan Pas-de-clue // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:45 PM

    we really do need a ball playing cf/lw as much as i love hba he is too precious to us to be restricted to a position so when he goes wandering we have noone with a decent touch in attack to hit

  • 117 check the toastie // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:46 PM

    This season review by my eyes so far.

    Spurs (h) – outplayed 1st half totally, lucky, 1point max.
    Chelsea (a) – lame performance. 0 points.
    Villa (h) – outplayed at times by shit team, 1 point max.
    Everton (a) – shud hav been 4 down at half time. 0 points
    Norwich (h) – defensive uninspriring win. 1 point. deserved.
    Reading (a) – oh my word, horrendous. 0 point.
    Mackems (a) – 10 men did OK. best of season. they are as bad as us in passing and moving. maybe 3 points.
    West Brom (h) – terrible lucky win. deserved nothing.
    Liverpool (a) – rubbish, lucky defensive point.
    West Ham (h) – Poor but a little better, cud hav had point.
    Swansea (h) – bit better but still not good enough.

    Personally our performances deserve 7 or 8 points for me, relegation form.

    Number of points that nark me about Pardew and should annoy others.

    His eagerness to bring Shola on and start hitting it long as soon as it looks like we may not break a team down.

    The free kicks onto Williamsons head smacks of a lack of coaching ideas and tactics based on foundless results.

    The continual reliance on Jonas to actually contribute anything of any note.

    I would sack him in the morning if i was Ashley and go and get Martinez, I honestly believe Pardew could take Man Utds squad out of the top 4 as clueless as he is. We have been shit and have gone backwards under his useless brand of football. Talks a good game but doesnt actually know how to implement it.

  • 118 ONLINE GUY // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:46 PM

    Ba was doing the strikers job last week against West Ham

    He was also doing the Center back’s job , and looked the part. .

  • 119 Alan Pas-de-clue // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:48 PM

    online guy very true

    Ba on his own is no problem but we cannot have two lumbering forwards even if they are world class finishers

  • 120 check the toastie // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:49 PM

    If Hughton got sacked for having a team with so much less talent in 11th place, then surely Pardew should start to feel very nervous, hope he has some clauses in that contract of his.

  • 121 Graeme // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

    Cockneymag, Why not modify that slightly by pushing Cabaye up in front of Tiote & Anita? Would give him so much more space to dictate the play at the base of a 4 man diamond.

    It would allow him to shine; provide through balls all over the park and with Ben 10 outside him, Cisse OR Ba in front, the options would make any defence ubsure of where he was going to play it – or take it forward himself!!

  • 122 davis_toons // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:51 PM

    ED Questions: … But even if we get knocked out of Europe, why wouldn’t we still fortify the squad the try to help climb the league table – we are now in 12th place in the league?

    The problem is DL have already explain very clearly that we are going for self sustaining and in the mist of this process, we are not able to afford any more PURPLE coded players. If you consider VA as one.

  • 123 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    Spot on check!

  • 124 ONLINE GUY // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM

    Maybe we should be thankful we are in mid table ..almost ..

    We maybe expect tooo much on little outlay and because of last season .. just trying to be rational here ..

    Calm down folk’s, we are all disappointed methinks.

    Cant help thinking we should have added some quality to the team and build instead of stagnating …suppose we just got lucky eh ?

  • 125 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:03 PM

    @graeme

    Yea man, if u scroll down a bit further i put a 4231 with ben arfa and santon either side.

    Krul
    Simmo-tayla-colo-guti
    —-tiote——anita—-
    Benarfa-cabaye-santon
    ———ba/cisse——

    Thats probably our best line up atm, santon in an advanced role is a no brainer.

    Great chemistry throughout and rotate the two dembas.

    Couldnt believe pardews excuse the other night was that evwryone was dissapointed about not having cisse in the squad.

    What a joker.

  • 126 Robinio // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:06 PM

    no surprise we re in the state we are with the FCB in charge – no prospect of any improvement until fatty sells up

  • 127 Graeme // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:13 PM

    Robinio, FCB has us in the best shape I have ever seen this club in over 40 years supporting the team. You are SO WRONG with your statement.

    Sorry mate!!

  • 128 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:32 PM

    I really wish we had just been taken over by the Arabs that bought City. Just look at them thumping teams, winning things and being linked with the likes of Falcao. Anyone who says they would rather the way it is now is either deluded or happy with mediocracy. Having said that I would not swap being an NUFC supporter for the world ;)

  • 129 obatoyou // Nov 19, 2012 at 3:32 AM

    Never know big pappa, we might yet buy some top notch hitmen in Jan!




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