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Yohan Cabaye Could Be Out Until January

6:50 pm, Sunday, November 18th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 180 Comments

We had mentioned earlier today there was some bad news on Yohan Cabaye and that he may need an operation to clear up his groin injury. The bad news now is that the injury has turned out to be even worse than first thought.

Yohan Cabaye – may be out until new year?

It seems that Yohan Cabaye was injured while training with the French squad for their game with Italy last week, and he didn’t play in that game, and the initial prognosis – if there is surgery needed – is that he could be out until January.

We don’t know how accurate this is, because there are surgeons who do groin surgeries and the players can come back very quickly, and Michael Owen, when he was at Newcastle had such surgery in Germany, and he played within 10 days, but of course we don’t know how bad Yohan’s groin injury is.

And what Alan Pardew said is that the club will get a second opinion and that surgery may be necessary, but that’s not certain yet.

One of the top groin surgeons is Dr. Ulrike Muschaweck, who operated on both Michael Owen and Oba Martins when they were at Newcastle,  and she has her own clinic in Munich, Germany.

We have to hope that Yohan’s groin injury is not too serious, but it’s  a bad time to be out injured, as Newcastle have eleven games through January 2nd in all competitions.

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180 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Graeme // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM

    I so hope this is not true, we have nobody to cover his ability, If it is true, I hope the result gives him his full ability back and he is pain free.

    Good Luck Yohan

  • 2 paddythemagpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    looking at the next 8 r 9 fixtures i think wer screwed without him

  • 3 ONLINE GUY // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    Time to give Abeid a run. For real.
    Is he on loan someplace ?

  • 4 davis_toons // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    When any fans talks abt the our game on interplay, movement, creating space for players on the ball, receiving the pass or creating a run to attack. Playing 1 2 passes.

    All theses goes down to a manager, how he wants his team to play more often and his coaching team.

    Of course, with the players that he have bought in he must consider what kind of team he is trying to built.

    And play to their strength with the existing players he have got.

  • 5 jimmysmith // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:13 PM

    I don’t subscribe to the theory that Ash is not ambitious for the club. I’m more inclined to believe he wants to achieve growth and progress by implementing a lean business model, but it does look as though he badly under egged the pudding during the close season. The more telling point is what he does from here. The problem for me is that he doesn’t seem to have the stomach to pay the market price for the quality of player needed to take us forward and bringing on the youth may not bridge that gap. His business model may not work and if it doesn’t I’m not sure he’ll be prepared to alter it to the extent needed to make it work..

  • 6 Super Magpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:13 PM

    We are in deep trouble if this is true. It’s unbelievable how we seem to pick up more injuries than anyone else.
    At our current rate we’re going to be lucky to be in the top 10 in January.

  • 7 Neun78 // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:13 PM

    now i fear relegation serious.
    no spirit in the team.
    i was dissepointed with last season and no one understand me,but now we see that 5th place last year just gives us europa league=bad premier league season.

  • 8 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

    Krul
    Santon hoofy Saylor fergie
    Jonas tiote marveaux
    Ben arfa ba cisse

    I don’t think we are in a relegation battle. I think fans are massively over reacting.

  • 9 ONLINE GUY // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

    Just had an email from me mate Neil Young , few weeks ago actually..

    Look out for a new music system and player called Pono
    should be on the market soon ..IPod’s will become extinct

    You will hear music just like standing next to the artist singing and playing the instrument..Just like it was first heard in the studio at conception ..you will be shocked at the reality of it .. carry on . Rust never sleeps.

  • 10 Super Magpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    January Window-
    INS-
    Sissoko £2/3m
    Debuchy £5/6m
    Douglas £3/4m

    OUTS-
    Simpson £1m-£2m (Since contract is running out)

    £8m-£12m net spend?Is that really too much to ask?
    I know it sounds like Kets but I think it’s a bit more realistic.
    We can get these players if we really want to.
    Hopefully we can keep players too.

  • 11 ONLINE GUY // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    Neil helped the development and was part of everything from the onset of this new system, Instigated it all, and funded it.

  • 12 jimmysmith // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    We fielded Sammy, Fergie, Bigi, Anita, Marv, Simmo and Willo in that game, collectively that’s a lot of inexperience and proven mediocrity at EPL level. The result is not that surprising, more of a reality check than anything else and in that sense a good thing potentially..

  • 13 BelfastMagpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    We didn’t invest in the summer & it’s now coming back to haunt us big style.

    January window should be very interesting..

    A chance to redeem themselves & back the manager.

    And they’ll probably not do it..

    Im sure we’ll all hear the…

    “players are harder to sign in January ”

    Phrase many many times… 😉

  • 14 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:22 PM

    Super – seems fair enough and should keep us in the right half of the table.

  • 15 davis_toons // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:22 PM

    …we still got to recall that we are still a promoted team trying to stand grounds, with many new young players coming into the 1st team and with self sustaining plans and balancing the books policy, things could take times to form.

    Which can be frustrating at difficult times.

  • 16 Super Magpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:22 PM

    Conaldo

    Not a bad team, but Pardew’s reluctancy to change from a 4-4-2 to a 4-4-3/4-2-3-1 will continue to hinder our progress.

  • 17 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    Jinky Jimmy- if the business plan doesn’t work heads will roll. The good news is that the 5year business model current outcome indicates that we’re ahead of target. Although reading this blog you could well be surprised to hear it.

  • 18 Graeme // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    Super Mag, I, for one, would be more than happy if that’s what we ended up with come February!!

  • 19 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    Jimmy smith- the average age couldn’t have been above 23-24.
    It shows our squad isn’t really big enough to not play our best experiences players.

  • 20 ONLINE GUY // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    Back to the footie

    Creative midfielder is what’s missing with Cabaye out …..either Jonas in there or give Abied a chance. eh ?

  • 21 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:34 PM

    I am really starting to wish we had just been taken over by the Arabs that bought City. Just look at them thumping teams, winning things and being linked with the likes of Falcao. Anyone who says they would rather the way it is now is either deluded or happy with mediocracy. Having said that I would not swap being an NUFC supporter for the world 😉

  • 22 Super Magpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    Graeme

    I think everyone would, the question is that do Ashley and Llambias have the ambition to do so. There is certainly money available, there is no doubt about that so there is no excuses not to bring anyone in. Our fixtures in December are not good either.

    Southampton (A) – Draw
    Stoke (A) Draw
    Wigan (H) Win
    Fulham (A) Draw
    Man City (H) Loss
    QPR (H) Win
    Man Utd (A) Loss
    Arsenal (A) Loss

    8 points from 8 games doesn’t look good. 22pts from 20 games is distinctly average. I’m not saying we’ll end up with that, because we most likely wont. But it’s not looking good atm. We’ve dropped 6 massive points in the last 2 games.

  • 23 BelfastMagpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:36 PM

    Bpc

    I would be basking in the glory mate… 😉

  • 24 Super Magpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:37 PM

    Sorry, 9pts from 8 games leaving us with 23pts from 20games*

  • 25 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Super – 9 points

  • 26 MacToon // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Ian Toon is Ruddy’s new moniker?

  • 27 BelfastMagpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Them fixtures dont look to good..

    Next week against Southampton will be difficult,after them winning yesterday.

  • 28 jimmysmith // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    Conaldo, I agree, Sammy, Fergie, Bigi, Anita, Marv, Simmo and Willo are all players of merit in a 1st team squad, but surely you can’t hold on to a player of Hatem Ben Arfa’s quality if those guys are collectively getting regular games.

  • 29 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM

    Who’s Ruddy?

  • 30 Super Magpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:44 PM

    Ian

    My mistake, already corrected myself. Still, not looking good is it?

  • 31 BelfastMagpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:44 PM

    Take no notice of Mactoon Ian…

    He usually just comes on,if the gay chat room is empty.

  • 32 MacToon // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:47 PM

    I seen you’d logged out of the gay chat room belfast so headed here 😉

  • 33 BelfastMagpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:48 PM

    Haha

    Keep quiet about that will you ffs,I’ve not been on there in ages & you know that..

  • 34 MacToon // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    Belfast, you guessed Catchy’s other moniker, think you were right lol

  • 35 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:51 PM

    Super
    It doesn’t look good no but thats a purely hypothetical scenario i mean southampton picked up there first win of the season yesterday now there going to beat us?

    Southampton (A) – Win
    Stoke (A) Win
    Wigan (H) Win
    Fulham (A) Draw
    Man City (H) Loss
    QPR (H) Win
    Man Utd (A) Loss
    Arsenal (A) Draw

    Personally think thats a more likely looking scenario time will tell but still think although are form is worrying theres a huge overreaction we hit a huge dip in firm last season where people were predicting we would free fall down the table and it didnt happen dont think it will hapoen this season either

  • 36 check the toastie // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:52 PM

    seriously bad news about Cabaye, we need him back quickly, shit hitting the fan shortly.

  • 37 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:54 PM

    This is bad news as he is a top player although not in great form for us this year.

    Hopefully somebody else will step in and make his place their own to create competition.

    Is lack of investment costing us in league form? Well yes and no….

    Yes as we could have done with a better quality defence, new RB and CB would have been good.

    No as I dont think our squad is too small for europe, we rest 8/9 every europa league game. The problem is not so much the extra games, it’s more that we have an interruption to the weeks training. We have two games not one to focus on and thats the main problem for me.

    That is something which will come with experience, pardew and the coaches will have to learn how to deal with less prep time and find a way to make training more focused.

  • 38 MacToon // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:54 PM

    Check, it’s going from bad to worse but we should just hope we keep gaining points atm. Time for some youngsters to make a mark on the first team I think.

  • 39 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:55 PM

    Super- your a lot more optimistic than Catchy. We’ll do a good deal better after Thursday’s game. Total focus on PL with albeit a depleted squad. Trust me .

  • 40 BelfastMagpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:57 PM

    Who dead man waliking?

  • 41 BelfastMagpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:57 PM

    Walking

  • 42 Jail for Ashley // Nov 18, 2012 at 7:57 PM

    Well Cabaye coming back in time for the January transfer window,that will be like a new signing it should save a few quid.Might even free up a bit of cash for a CB,but then again the seven million for Ba should do that.

  • 43 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    Transfer- It’s a yes but. The Europa must have a disruptive impact on
    the training and drilling of the team for forthcoming PL game.
    Your working on very different training programme, routines and even if your not playing but travelling it impacts on sleep patterns and rest recovery. I think we’ll benefit after Thursdays game. Aside from Fulham who seemed to flourish!!

  • 44 MacToon // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    Yeah think so, it was strange reply, to Ian I think it was, meant to be catchy but used a different name for the reply earlier this afternoon. Give me a minute and I’ll check.

    and Catchy, I’ve personally got no problem with you or your opinions m8, I also like the way TS has been defending everyone’s right to voice their opinions, it is an open blog for all to voice their thoughts aslong as Ed’s rules are followed even if we suffer from mental issues or have learning difficulties!

  • 45 jimiley // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    Its not good news but we have a great deputy in Jonas who is every bit the equal of Cabaye. I still believe we can get that 6th spot and stay in Europe. Keep the faith. Current problems are just a blip. Pardew will sort it out.

  • 46 toonLYF // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:08 PM

    when’s Perch back? He’s matured into a good passer of the ball and is an excellent tackler. I’d like to see this in Cabaye’s absence…

    ——————-Krul——————-

    Santon—Taylor—–Coloccini—Anita

    ————-Perch—Tiote————–

    Ben Arfa———-Ba———Marveaux

    ——————-Cisse——————

    As i’ve said before i really think Ba works well as a CF//withdrawn striker//advanced no.10, whatever you want to call it role. For example Man United at home last season.

    I think Jonas could do with a little bit of time as a 20-25 minute substitute, he’s offered nothing this season to be realistic.

  • 47 BelfastMagpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:08 PM

    I new it was him lol

    I should be working for MI5 😉

  • 48 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:08 PM

    Mactoon
    Are there many with mental health problems and learning difficulties? Not sure how people tell from words on a screen like?

  • 49 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:11 PM

    LYF
    Would like to see that team would be good to find a system to fit ba and cisse
    And spot on about perchinio he’s really pushed himself to develop in to a valuable member of the team

  • 50 AsprillaCartWheels // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:17 PM

    This is what you get for being cheap, almost half the of first team squad are out due to injuries or suspension. Surprising thought, Chris Hughton boys are currently level on points with us. So did we really move on to the next level with Pardew? I don’t think so. Ashley, time for you to use thaf cheque book or you will find yourself seating on the bench in 2 weeks time!

  • 51 MacToon // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:17 PM

    Belfast, it was dead man walkin replying to Tequila (not Ian, sorry) but Teq had originally asked catchy the question, I think you got it right 😉

    tads, only repeating what’s been said a couple of times on here now by another poster.

  • 52 jimmysmith // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:21 PM

    The North East has higher than average rates of learning difficulties and the longer you follow the Toon the more inclined you are to develop a mental illness, if you didn’t have one in the first place that is, so it’s probably a fair assessment.

  • 53 woodsee // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:21 PM

    Heard that Danny Simpson had a massive argument with Pardew,and didnt want to play on saturday. That Tulisa bird hes seeing is a gooner ,and he wanted the weekend off to take her up the Arsenal

  • 54 AsprillaCartWheels // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    Europa League fixtures are a lame excuse for all our trouble, the real excuse would be being ill prepared for the additional european games that we wanted all so dearly. We are no longer a top 5 team, this season we are a top ten team at most.

  • 55 toonLYF // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    tads – I’d confidently say he’s the 3rd best central midfielder at our club, comfortably. Which means a fair bit due to our quality and depth in that position – including the utility midfielders such as Jonas.

    Marveaux was a bright spark for me in a eye opening game – in the bad sense of the phrase. He looked quicker, sharper, braver and more imaginitive than any other time i’ve seen him play. Very convincing and if we can get him up to speed we will have two very dangerous wingers who both offer great delivery, and the ability to change a game with a moment of class, whether it be skipping passed the final man into the box, or scoring from long range – which i have seen both do on many occasions.

    …and i certainly think it is worth deploying Ba behind Cisse is worth a try for a few games atleast. Papiss seems to like being a lone central frontman as his game is based around using the space he has round him and dragging defenders all over the place. However with Ba beside him in the 442, the space he has to work with is effectively halved, and he can’t play his game.

    Just a theory, but surely worth a shot, and surely Pardew must’ve considered this at some point. It’s a well balanced team and very realistic ratio wise in terms of defensive//attacking players.

  • 56 Graeme // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    Jimiley, I’m not at all sure on what you base your view that Jonas is the equal of Cabaye. Jonas hasnt the vision, the ability or the skills to emulate Cabaye in central midfield, not in his wildest fantasy.

    Jonas has demonstrated virtually no ability to cross a ball (He would struggle to cross the road to be honest), His vision is poor, he is unable to deliver a pin point pass to any of his team, from anywhere on the pitch.

    This season has not been kind to Jonas, he is a far better player than he has shown this season. He runs up and down that wing, yet delivers nothing. He is the most fouled player, but what does that gain us??

    If he could beat his man, reach the bye-line AND then whip in a ball to one of our strikers – he would be worth a starting place. As it is, he falls over, we get a free kick, but the opposition are now ready and waiting for it.

    I’m afraid that Jonas is rapidly approaching the door unless he can re-invent himself in a new role. Whether as a full back or in midfield, I don’t know – but Cabaye’s deputy he most certainly never will be!!!

  • 57 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    Mactoon
    Lol fair enough mate

    LYF
    The player that perch has developed into the last couple of seasons is a huge credit to his hard work and the coaching staff he really has turned into a cracking little player

    Still not convinced by marv but if cabs is out til jan which i really hope is B/S then there is a huge opportunity to make his mark on the team and the league

  • 58 MacToon // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:37 PM

    Dropping like flies atm but this time we haven’t got Raylor or Perch to plug the gaps because they are already injured, so it’s down to the young uns or newbies to stake a claim, until January anyway and who knows, maybe beyond!
    Let’s hope for no more injuries or suspensions, isn’t Tiote one yellow from a ban?

  • 59 Jail for Ashley // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:39 PM

    I’m not sure how the Europa league affects training too much top teams have been playing in Europe year after year and still manage to win leagues and cups during European campaigns, in fact a number of teams have won the treble, maybe the squad size is the factor but then again look how many players we manage to rest, I suppose it’s a learning curve for Pards being his first season in Europe and all.
    Somebody compared how spending power with Wigan and Swansea ffs no wonder Dastardly manages to spout his sh#te and get away with it when there are a few fans out there the believe that.

  • 60 jimmysmith // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:40 PM

    I think Perch is good enough now to be considered a defensive midfielder full stop now and to be fair to him and his career, that’s where he should be played when picked. I’m increasingly a big fan of his.

  • 61 jimmysmith // Nov 18, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    The final challenges or lack of, on the two Swansea goalscorers first by Santon and second by Willo are really quite disturbing if you look closely at them. A real lack of urgency there, if the players had been Tayls or Simmo, you’d think a challenge would have at least been made on each occasion.

  • 62 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 9:02 PM

    jimmy

    i picked up on that yesterday too…it was like the didn’t care if they got to the ball or not.

    Jail

    more so i think the learning curve than being too tired from the games.

    it getting used to having less prep time for each game and breaking what will have been a settled routine last year.

  • 63 ONLINE GUY // Nov 18, 2012 at 9:14 PM

    Woodsee

    Good job…she’s not a ports..mouth fan ?

  • 64 Jail for Ashley // Nov 18, 2012 at 9:24 PM

    On line guy,
    Don’t give up your day job.

  • 65 ONLINE GUY // Nov 18, 2012 at 9:30 PM

    Jail

    al get me coat ..ya reet !

  • 66 ONLINE GUY // Nov 18, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    Jail ……Bristol City Fan ?

  • 67 Munster Mag // Nov 18, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    Ah come on Ian, put the 5 year argument away. Lets not talk about NUFC as a business, lets talk about it as a football club. We’re going backwards, and sadly even the much lauded scouting system is now beginning to look completely over praised. As for Pardew, when a guy hides behind Cisse’s lack of involvement , we clearly have some very serious issues, or a very flawed manager. Someone said he chose Marlon Harewood over Tevez ( although God only knows what the ugly git was likes when he was less mature ) but thats a bit worryine. Even without that, he’s beginning to look a bit of a busted flush, who was happiest at the start of last season with his solid 4-4-2, and now cant adapt. Either way, blaming Cisse’s absence? He might aswell have blamed Obertans’s toe ffs. You can take it that we will be hearing LOTS of moans about Cabaye now. Pards fell in my estimations yesterday, and i have been full square behind him since he arrived. Both he and the MA/Llambias partnerships have failed the acid tests since the end of last season and we are going to need a big january to help us out. But then, arent players harder to get in January ? Hint: yes they are, if you offer 3 or 4 mill for players worth double that. A final sad thought – wouldnt HBA look utter class at Man Utd? Much more of this and we’ll be saying farewell to this wonderful talent.

  • 68 Munster Mag // Nov 18, 2012 at 9:33 PM

    Jimmy, Ive been saying for month that Santon is not a good defender – lots of problems have been caused by him not getting close enough to his man. Lovely footballer, but needs to improve defensively and I’d prefer him at right back.

  • 69 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM

    munster

    santon will get there i feel.

    what i dont mind is him being out of position the odd time cause he attacks, you accept that for an attacking full back.

    what i do mind is seeing him not bust a gut to get back and cover the attacker.

  • 70 Munster Mag // Nov 18, 2012 at 9:50 PM

    But TS, i’ve noticed this quiate a bit. Its not lack of effort or a bad attitude, its just bad defending. I dont like being negative about pardew but the cisse comments took come cheek. And now that Cabaye is missing we could be in for a rocky road. And i dont swallow the europa thing either – pretty nuch a smokescreen even if its a hindrance in some way. Given that we seem to play 4-3-3 in it , it isnt helping Pards mould a 4-4-3 team , which people have said is his aspiration.

  • 71 t00ntime // Nov 18, 2012 at 9:54 PM

    Why do people keep making sh*t up about simmo now that he is dating tulisa? Woodsee where did u hear that?
    Cause people on twitter were making stuff up about him quiting nufc cause of tulisa etc. and when asked where they heard it they said “my friend works at SJP”
    Of course he is -_-

    Unless u have solid proof he wanted to skip the game to take tulisa to the arsenal game (even though i’m pretty sure tulisa was doing a sound check with ella for xfactor) dont say anything.

    Did u know tulisa wanted to move to paris so simmo is going to paris and we are gettin ibra in return? Its true my friend works at PSG….

  • 72 t00ntime // Nov 18, 2012 at 9:56 PM

    Of course he does*

    Sorry just hate rumours and not to happy after losing yesterday and sunderland winning :S lol

  • 73 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:00 PM

    toontime

    I think the arsenal comment was a joke…she wants taking to/up the arse..nal game.

    Munster

    I have said before europe does no have to hider you. teams like spurs, stoke, liverpool…their form is/was no worse when they were in the europa league.

    The problem I think we have is we play two totally different teams. This for me makes the matter worse. Players like cisse and tiote who have played in europe a fair bit for us are struggling as they constantly have to adapt to different players around them in europe then in the league.

    It would be much better I think if we maybe made only 3/4 changes for europe, just rest the player if he is tired, not in case he gets tired.

  • 74 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:04 PM

    toontime

    but it was true simpson went straight to london after the swansea game

  • 75 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:06 PM

    tads

    can’t see us picking up a point at fulham. haven’t gotten anything since joey barton’s PK in the 92nd minute a fair few years ago

    LYF

    think we were talking about it earlier, love perch, but at CB. to close out a game, two goals up, hell, bring him on in a CM role, but please not from the offing. his passing CAN be very neat (which can’t be said for Bigi, Jonas, Fergie, Sammy, Cisse and, well, a lot of others) but if we start with him and Tiote we might as well consign ourselves to no more than 1 point. We’ve done it numerous times. If i had the energy/time i’d gladly look up to back my point that we’ve never gotten a win with them two. remember tottenham last year? ay, that was abysmal

    He should be 3rd choice CB, if not 2nd. saylor and colo have both had great games but they’ve also had awful games. Perch is solid and when I don’t notice a CB too often, to me that’s usually a good thing. would have no qualms with a colo/perch partnership but definitely don’t want him at CM along with Tiote

  • 76 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:09 PM

    Southampton (A) – Win
    Stoke (A) Win
    Wigan (H) Win
    Fulham (A) Win
    Man City (H) Loss
    QPR (H) Win
    Man Utd (A) Loss
    Arsenal (A) Loss

    Not saying this is what I predict but if we can get the performances improved (swansea wasn’t good but was better than west ham) i could see us getting 15 points out of those games.

  • 77 MagpiesFlyHigh // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    Bottom line is our purples are not purple enough in terms of form or consistency. Take the point about Perchinho as DCM but he needs to build up solid experience in one position to bring him on another notch, and not rotated roles quite so much.

  • 78 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    Transfer- A four game winning run only halted by a defeat against the Champions. I’ll take it and welcome to the other side where happiness abounds and Pardew is manager of the month.

  • 79 Munster Mag // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:18 PM

    Anyone read Toonbano’s blog? Pretty interesting piece where he absolutely slates Pardew, and I have to say, most of it makes a pile of sense. I think we only need to think back to some of the fortunate results against Brom etc to realise that we really are poor. Oh well, night all , time for a beer.

  • 80 Super Magpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:20 PM

    Transfer

    In all honesty, I can’t see how you think we’ll get that many results. We are not suddenly going to turn into a good team again. No doubt if ( not saying we will) we lose at Southampton next week Pardew will blame the EL and a long trip after. 3 away wins in a row? We can’t even win a home game…

    I can only see us beating Wigan and QPR and even Wigan will give us a game. We’ll do well to get anything above 10pts.

  • 81 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:23 PM

    Matty
    Not saying my predictions are gonna happen just think there alot more realistic than super posted

  • 82 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:23 PM

    Ian and super magpie.

    I am not saying we will win the next 4. I don’t think our form will allow it.

    I am just saying I think they are winnable games. They are games we should going into thinking we can come away with 3 points.

    The way we are playing I wouldn’t say we should come away with 3 points but that we can come away with the points.

  • 83 Super Magpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:24 PM

    That’s based on current form anyway.
    I’ll gladly say I was wrong if we do turn it around.

    And It’s got to start with Pardew getting rid of 4-4-2 once and for all. It’s seriously hindering our teams progress and the players don’t seem to like it either.I’m not saying we are guaranteed to play better in another formation but we couldn’t do much worse.

  • 84 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:25 PM

    Super
    Suddenly turn into a good team? We are a giid team who’s in bad form just cos were in a slump of form doesnt mean were going to turn into the whipping boys of the league

  • 85 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:26 PM

    Super

    In fairness to pardew he always says the Europa league will not be an excuse.

    He talks some rubbish at times but he doesn’t blame Europe.

  • 86 jimmysmith // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:27 PM

    I’m sure how much Pardew is to blame here. Get him the squad to do the job and then judge him. Also he’s not just working with a light squad but also an inexperienced one and of course his own lack of experience in Europe. I’d take aim at Ash and DL well before Pards or any of the players he’s got.

  • 87 Super Magpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    Transfer

    On paper I would agree with that, but form wise definitely not. If we win at Southampton I’ll feel a lot more upbeat the Stoke game though.

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    For me cabayes injury is the perfect excuse to get Ben arfa in a central role behind a lone front man.

    What I saw from Swansea was Ben arfa a couple of times coming into the middle, dropping around the half way line, then beating their centre mids totally exposing the defence to either shoot or play people through.

    He did that against Swansea and played a great ball to shola and if the cross wasn’t intercepted Ba had a tap in.

    Ben arfa centrally is just a must for me.

  • 89 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:32 PM

    Super.

    Those teams, Southampton, stoke, Wigan, qpr are all below us so could argue their season isn’t going well either.

    And Fulham are only 2 points above us but they are playing some nice stuff.

  • 90 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:34 PM

    Jimmy

    I don’t want to criticise pardew too much but I would say 12/13 managers in the league would kill for our squad.

    Regardless of any other issues he isn’t getting the best out of then and the players are performing well enough with the basics.

    Ashley really should have signed a CB and RB before we got anyone else I think. They were the key positions.

    Ashley hasn’t helped but pardew is under achieving this year so far.

  • 91 Super Magpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    Tads

    This season we have not been a good team, a total shadow of ourselves last season. Obviously there are lots of reasons behind that. But there hasn’t been much so far that suggests we are going to improve. I feel sorry for Pardew because he has a very limited budget and a small squad, but I also feel we should be doing better than we are. Consistently good teams don’t go on a bad run of form for 12 games and we have been average this season.

    I’d love nothing more to be proved wrong and for us to turn it around in the coming matches but atm we are not looking too promising.

  • 92 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:37 PM

    If we take 10+ points from the next 4 games we will be flying. If we take 7-8 points from the next 3 games, we will be mid table, but not too bad. Any less than 7 points and we will be struggling and in need of some serious investment come January.

    I think we can all agree with that

  • 93 DoddsyNufc // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:40 PM

    @ Transfer Sage

    I totally agree with HBA should be played through the middle, he is totally wasted on the right. I know this, you know this, even my dog knows this but we all know pardew will continue playing him out wide. He will play 442 to suit one player then when that fails he will throw shola on and just hoy long ball after long ball into him.

  • 94 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:40 PM

    Conaldo

    Yeh seems fair.

    I don’t like to predict results too much. It’s quite hard to judge how we will play not the day, how the other team will.

    If in our next game the opposition get a red card. We boss the game and end up winning it could turn us around.

    Small moments like that can have a big effect on the season.

  • 95 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:40 PM

    7-8 points from the next 4 games ***

  • 96 jimmysmith // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    I think Pardew is starting to find out exactly why so many of have gone before him have called being the Newcastle manager an impossible job.

    He has the added workload of Europe, which he has to take the greatest burden of, plus now he has the added pressure of an under performing team, an expectant fan base and a demanding owner.

    If he ultimately succeeds this season he should be given Manager of the Year again.

  • 97 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    Munster- Enjoy. I much prefer the futures bright, the futures is purple!
    That campaign didn’t cost a penny not surprisingly. DL worked it out on the back of a betting slip. Just refreshing the memory in case I get any difficult questions from bloggers. I could always pass to other devotees who are well versed on the life and times.

  • 98 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    I said we needed a driving player in the middle. A player who can beat the opposition midfield with either pace, power or skill.

    A player like yaya toure, Gerard in his pomp, viera, zidane it just opens up the opposition and puts you right in the front foot and makes finding that final ball so much easier than when you just play in front of their midfield.

  • 99 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    Transfer –
    Yeah, predicting results is near impossible. That’s why there are so many betting shops.
    If a team plays well on the day, a normally poor team like Wigan can look like Real Madrid.
    If a team plays poor on the day, a normally good team like manure end up looking like accrington Stanley.

    All you can do is hope the team plays well on the day.

  • 100 jimmysmith // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    Transfer, yeah, he’s obviously struggling.

  • 101 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    And we have that player in Ben arfa

  • 102 Super Magpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:45 PM

    Transfer

    Sounds all too familiar with the mackems today.
    It’s the 4th time they’ve played against 10 men this season with a combined total of over 3 hours playing against 10 men. We need a bit of luck like that to get us going.

  • 103 jimmysmith // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:45 PM

    But not yet beat.

  • 104 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:45 PM

    Jimmy – the way some fans are going on, if he is still here at the end of the season he deserves an award. If we qualify for Europe again, he definitely deserves manager of the year.

  • 105 t00ntime // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:46 PM

    Lol on motd sunderland looked like they got outplayed by 10men and were lucky not be beaten by 10men xD

  • 106 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:48 PM

    Super – and their fans are going on like they’ve won the FA cup. I had a mackem mate text me earlier saying that Newcastle were now a poorer team than Sunderland and that we were now relegation candidates. They think just because they won for the 2nd time in 19 games that they are going to get Europe.
    I told him exactly where to shove his phone :)

  • 107 Super Magpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:49 PM

    Jimmysmith

    There’s always been an expectant fanbase and that won’t change. A couple of defeats and Pardew is under pressure. Those who say he should be sacked are the ones who probably hounded Sir Bobby out.
    It would be suicidal to do such a thing and would throw is into turmoil once again.

  • 108 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:50 PM

    Conaldo

    Did you remind him they are still below us and couldn’t beat us at home even with 10 men.

  • 109 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:50 PM

    Super – I’ve been saying that exact thing for weeks now. Great minds eh? :)

  • 110 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:50 PM

    Super
    Aye cant deny were playing some poor football although i though yesterday we looked brighter and really got at them but still lacked any quality final ball
    I do think the next 3 games are our best opportunity to turn things around like

  • 111 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:52 PM

    Transfer – I certainly did.

    Anyway, I’m offskis,

    Till tommorow, and don’t sack Pardew whilst I’m gone. :)

  • 112 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:52 PM

    Super

    A little unfair to suggest they are the same who hounded bobby out.

    Some maybe but not all.

    I know a few people who have never liked pardew even last year. They said the result covered the performance.

    I disagree as you can be lucky over 5-10 games max, not over 38.

    But it’s a but unfair to generalise.

  • 113 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    Tads

    We definitely improved on the west ham game.

    What annoys me, and this is my main problem from last year too, we sit of teams until they get into our final third.

    It means that when we do win the ball back we are usually 60/70 yards from their goal.

    If we pressed higher up we could win it 30/40 yards from goal and have a good chance to score.

    Just like Swansea did for their first goal, pressed, got a mistake of krul then took advantage.

  • 114 jimmysmith // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:56 PM

    I don’t think he’ll get sacked for one second, it’s far more likely he’ll quit in a worst case scenario it seems to me, but I don’t think he’ll do that either. I think he’ll persevere and hopefully by hook or by crook we’ll qualify again for Europe.

  • 115 Super Magpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 10:59 PM

    Conaldo
    Let them have their moment, it will all come crashing down soon enough. 😀

    Tads
    In the 1st half I thought we played well. Like you said, it was the final ball that was lacking. We started the 2nd half brightly and the goal totally deflated us. Had we taken the lead I think we would’ve went on to win because they would have had to push up. When we go behind, we seem to lose all our shape and look clueless. That needs to be adressed.

  • 116 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:00 PM

    My view is that last season was great and getting back into Europe was fantastic but the football was never that great appart from a few standout games and the 6 game unbeaten run, everything else was mediocre at best. I would not expect a team like Stoke to start knocking it around like Barca but Pardew has some seriously talented players at his disposal but still has us playing poor stuff. Also we seem to have no killer instinct under Pardew and our biggest ever win under Alan is 3-0 which is not good enough and it is down to our over defensive set up.

  • 117 JP...from The Rock // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:04 PM

    Whoever thinks Pardew should be replaced needs a long hard look in the mirror. You must be mad to think that after a below par start to a tough season. Pardew is doing the best he can with what he’s got. Had he been given funds in the summer we could have bought more and be better off now but that is in the past. He knows the club inside out and who else do you people think we can replace him with?? Seriously. It’s the constant instability over the years that has made this club the yo-yo club it is, always ups and even more downs.

    Keep the faith and hopefully the players will start to perform and we will soon forget this stop-start to our season.

    All this negativity kills me!

    HWTL

  • 118 Super Magpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:07 PM

    Big Pappa

    We beat West Ham 5-0 under Pardew IIRC. I get your point though.
    Which is what Transfer Sage has pointed out partly above. We sit back too much and don’t capitalise on opponents mistakes. When we take the lead we seem to sit back. We need to press higher up the pitch in general and get on the front foot.

  • 119 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:09 PM

    Transfer – 12/13 managers would kill for our squad ?
    Don’t you mean for Krul, Coloccini, Santon, Tiote, Anita, Cabaye, HBA, BA and Cisse. Thought about including Taylor. We lack depth and quality in key positions elsewhere . 5 out of the 9 signed by Pardew.

  • 120 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:09 PM

    Jp

    I don’t want pardew replaced, I think you give a manager a full season then judge him. If he is to be replaced wait til the summer as no decent managers are usually available mid season.

    But I do think we could get a better manager.

    But saying that I don’t want one, a player is limited with physical attributes. A manager can always improve, they learn all the time. Given more time I think pardew will find his way.

    We are under performing but not drastically so in my view.

  • 121 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:12 PM

    Ian

    Yes those are the stand outs but if you take our squad as a whole who would you say is better.

    Man utd
    Man city
    Arsenal
    Chelsea
    Spurs

    They all have better squads. Do Everton have much more strength in depth? Possibly but not 100% sure.

    Then your on to west brom, Fulham, west ham, who’s squads I definitely would not swap for ours.

    im not on about mixing and matching players but swapping the whole squad

  • 122 jimmysmith // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:12 PM

    I think we did approach the Swansea game with greater attacking intent and on a couple of occasions found ourselves woefully exposed at the back. I can only imagine what any of the very top sides might have done to us.

    I agree we should play a more expansive attacking game with the players we have but it might take some time to successfully get there.

  • 123 Transfer Sage // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:15 PM

    Our defence is a worry this year.

    We kept the third most clean sheets in the league last year. We have struggled this year with shutting those out

  • 124 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:18 PM

    TS

    yes, a manager CAN always improve. They hardly ever do. How long did it take him to realize HBA was a better RM than Raylor?

    How long will it take him before he realizes keeping Ba happy is less a priority than winning?

    MunsterMag

    A very good article there (well, the points made, not grammatically)

    I don’t want to cause unrest by sacking the manager but f***, i sure as hell don’t want to see what we’ve been fed the last two years, that’s for sure

    all a moot point for now bc MA won’t sack him. I’ll give it til xmas though if results continue as they are, MA won’t have much choice. our form is very much relegation form.

  • 125 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:18 PM

    Transfer – the apparent weaknesses in the side and the inability to play a higher line and alternative formation are obviated by having inadequate players in key positions. Having made the same point on countless occasions I will not repeat. Pardew said pre last window the positional/ players coming in which didn’t materialise. He’s had to manage with what he’s got and his squad has been decimated.

  • 126 Super Magpie // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:20 PM

    Transfer

    I think that’s mostly to do with the fact Coloccini has missed alot of games this year through injury/suspension. Last year he only missed around 4/5 game’s in total and has already missed that amount this season. He brings a calmness to the team that others don’t

  • 127 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:21 PM

    Ian

    bad excuse. he’s got plenty of capable players. Sure, some aren’t as good as others who are out but you work within your confines, not make excuses for underperforming

    and as for injured suspended players….cabaye has been woeful this year, as has jonas, and colo, as many good games as he’s had, he’s had just as many howlers. perch is a sub as is raylor, gosling, and vuckic.

  • 128 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:23 PM

    Transfer – you would wheel and deal. You miss the point. We have blatant weaknesses which the manager seeks to compensate for. Simpson and Williamson would they get into 1-2 of the PL starting line ups. Would our 3rd choice s/t get into any starting line up on a regular basis.

  • 129 jammylambo // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM

    this blog is beginning to look like a meeting place for idiots. relegation fears, come on. you lot are a prime example of why our club is a joke to other sets of premier league fans. they laugh at us for our over dramatic reaction to both the highs and lows of our club. we win a game and you scream from the rafters that wre going to win the league. we lose a game and thats it , the end of the world were getting relegated , ashely out , pardews a fool. grow up guys, your embarrassing the club you claim to love.

  • 130 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    Matty- tactically as an opposition manager you would exploit weakness and defensively we have quite a few. Pardew is for ever filling holes. Jonas who’s so loved by our fans on here covers for slow ponderous types. Personally I would take a chance on Tavernier because Simpson is a disaster waiting to happen additionally he makes it easy to double bank elsewhere because you know he’s not going to damage you.

  • 131 Jail for Ashley // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:31 PM

    Jammy ,
    Mashley needs to sell up and take his tacky sports shop and heinous side kick with him.

  • 132 Ian Toon // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:32 PM

    Matty- there is no reason why you should read my posts. But don’t give me the manager manages with what he’s got. I have been talking of the art of the possible for months now.

  • 133 Brutooon // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:34 PM

    Bad News for Us

    Good News for Anita, hopefully this is his chance to PROVE HIMSELF

  • 134 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:38 PM

    ian toon

    why post then?

    jammylambo

    does it bother you when people laugh at you? didn’t think so. me neither

    and for the record, i’m more than happy with ashley. not so much with the 3x relegated and 4x sacked manager we have now

  • 135 mattyNUFC // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:39 PM

    and jammy

    how could you honestly be happy?? that to me is something to laugh at

  • 136 nick_9 // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:47 PM

    Every home game i look at the squad list on the program, you would be surprised how big our squad is compared to most. Quality in depth is our problem, if our youngsters dont come good then its going to be tricky to move some players on. Our second choice players are actually shockingly bad at times but we cannot afford better understudies according to Mr Llambias so its down to the youngsters and fringe players to step up when needed. That being said even our strongest eleven do not play like a fluid team and i think they should by now. I have never been one to get on the managers case but he has had plenty of times to improve the performances and hasnt. The team hasnt changed a lot since last season so its gone on longer than you think. Wonder goals and Ben arfa are what we are all about. It would have been nice in the summer to go out and sign the cover players we needed but Pardew had his hands tied, cannot blame him on that front. Its just some of the other choices of his that have me questioning him, those set pieces, his excuses/reasoning and our performances. I dont want him to get the sack but i want him to be honest and work on our flaws. Us fans can see them so surely he can, some players just arent cutting the mustard so if we have to buy to sell then ship out some of the rubbish and improve the squad. I think our starting eleven is two players short of being strong and the backup players are down a good two or three players. How long do you stay stubborn before you cut your losses with them?

    Those fans wanting rid of Ba for supposedly refusing to play on the left need to take a look at yourselves. Without Ba this season and at the start of the last we would be stuffed. Why should he move out onto the wing when he is doing his job just fine where he is? Cisse should be the one to make way, you dont try and mend something if it isnt broken. Ba is doing what he is paid to do and thats score goals, if he cant score goals on the wing then why should he play there so cisse can score the goals ba could be scoring? Same goes for ben arfa, fans calling him greedy and not a team player. At leat the lad is actually trying to create something and not being a passenger.

    Arsenal are the benchmark apparently, ask arsenal fans how they are feeling about it getting tougher for them to finish in the top four and not winning out. Their accounts look great though!!!! If we only spend what we make then when are we ever going to move to the next stage? We might make 5 million profit in the most recent accounts but what is 5 million going to achieve? Thats one vurnon Anita when we needed two or three to try and MAINTAIN our league position from the previous season. From failing to strengthen we have fallen further behind and have lost revenue in the process, we arent going to make enough money to compete unless 1) our youngsters come good 2) we become big in say Asia 3) we have a good season again 4) We sell a star player. Speculate to accumulate in this game.

    January window round the corner, a signing and more false promises seen as though its the deadline for opting out of your ten year season pass price freeze.

    Feeling down about the toon after the last two home games, a few good results/performances should raise spirits. Pards really needs to get cracking because the pressure is mounting and the team is underperforming. Several Techincal players that arent being utilised

  • 137 Mister Tuff // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:58 PM

    jammy @#129 hi there pleased to meet you.

  • 138 beddersmag // Nov 18, 2012 at 11:58 PM

    Hasnt cabaye got long arms?

  • 139 stuart no9 // Nov 19, 2012 at 12:11 AM

    jammy @129 we dont need to embarrass the club, the management and owner do a pretty good job of that themselves.

  • 140 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 19, 2012 at 12:36 AM

    Lets face it if Man U fans had to put up with some of the sh*t we have had to over the years they might have some sympathy for us. I think NUFC fans for the most part are sensible in our predicament, but sure there are the few nutjobs that want Pardew out

  • 141 NewcastleMole // Nov 19, 2012 at 12:58 AM

    Last 2 games were winnable had we done so we would now be joint #5th – 8 Points from top.
    Should Sunderland & Stoke win their games in hand we get pushed down to #14th – 5 Points from safety.

    It isn’t time to panic just yet but that is coming. And it will be here alot sooner if things don’t improve.

    I could really live with 14th at the minute with the squad and circumstances we’ve had with suspensions & injuries. If only we played good football. But we haven’t been we’ve been playing pub football and had alot of luck along the way.

    Come January improving the squad is vital – fck all this purple player shite.

  • 142 nick_9 // Nov 19, 2012 at 1:18 AM

    I think the worry is our performances have been very bad and we arent picking up the points, last season we had some very shocking performances but ba and cisse rescued us on many occasions. This season only one of the two strikers are scoring and the rest of the team barring a couple of players are void of any creativity and have no cohesion. Imagine if we had the guys moving into space all the time, we could tear times apart. Whilst we arent picking up the points and performing badly fans have every right to copmplain and to expect otherwise on a nufc blog is a little bonkers itself. Lets do the math:

    12 games and 14 points = 1.16 pts per game
    Multiply that by 38 games and its 44 points, not exactly what you would hope we would have.

    Our form needs to pick up sooner rather then later, its still quite early on and a couple of wins could catapult us up the league. A couple of defeats on the trot now and your almost half way through the season and looking over your shoulder. 3 wins from 12 isn’t great but the perfoamnces are very telling. Hopefully if we start picking up the points we can paper over the cracks again. Maybe we should think about renaiming the stadium so we can sign the extra defender we need…………

  • 143 89Norcal // Nov 19, 2012 at 1:40 AM

    Jesus, another player injured on international duty! I’m starting to hate the breaks, its almost too much football for the players.

    Hopefully Pards gave everyone except Ben Arfa a swift kick up the ass after that display on Saturday.

  • 144 jimmysmith // Nov 19, 2012 at 3:24 AM

    Debuchy and Douglas or players of similar quality are a must now. We have 3 avenues back into you Europe, all of them as things stand a long bow, and I suggest an impossibly long bow with Simmo and Willo playing regularly. If we make some decent signings, I’d even fancy us to win one of the cups, particularly the Europa, which should be incentive in itself to buy considering our now world reknowned barren spell.

    I have to also add that the success gained last season really is something that should be consistently achieved by a club the size of Newcastle and not something to harp on about. Even bearing in mind our recent dalliance with the championship, any finish outside the top 10 is a poor season for us.

  • 145 Krul Blow // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:40 AM

    10 points for a correct answer:

    Qn: In his last ever professional football game who replaced the substituted world-famous attacking midfielder Luis Figo?

    Clue: It wasn’t Shane Ferguson!

  • 146 davis_toons // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:10 AM

    I guess every club wish to be taken over by the Arabs, but im glad that the club have stabilise, and its almost time to move up a gear, but that needs alot money, and now, we are just trying hard to balance it.

    AP could be good at management skills (with players and owners) but in terms of technical abilities he is still lacking of it. Like a young player, he will have to learn and improve on it.

    e.g Free Kick, dead ball, guess who is always on the other end jumping for headers – Right! Williamson..which results to 0% of goals, 0% of win headers & 0% of assist. Is this good enough, if it is going to continue like this?

    It is better to have a technical manager/ coach or assist AP on this. For that maybe we can take a look at Spain coaches.

  • 147 davis_toons // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:21 AM

    On the other hand, Michael Laudrup was a very good attacking player himself and with the technical team he had inherited. It will only be easier.

  • 148 davis_toons // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:35 AM

    “but you have to admit,, pardew has no real pattern of football, unlike most other teams,, do you not ask yourself why”

    Its is fine not to a style of play. Just like JoseM, but this kinda of manager needs alot of knowledge on the game and lots of gut to make changes and 75%-80% done correctly during the game.

    e.g Real played Baca
    With defensive style, counter-attacking, man-marking style. With that, often there was a results of a positive return.

    So if AP wanted to have no style of play then he will have to make alot of changes during the game. But there is only 1 Special One.

  • 149 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:39 AM

    89 Norcal…I actually think Pardew reaccessing himself right now, he is probably more to blame for the Swansea game.

    …he messed up the tactics and got the subs and instructions all wrong. Bad decission making from Pardew.

  • 150 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:47 AM

    …and that can happen to everyone :-) The important thing is where we go from here!

  • 151 Transfer Sage // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:48 AM

    Ian

    You missed the point I was making about squads.

    I’m not saying ours is without fault, we have weak areas. But our squad as a whole is better than 12/13 others in the league.

    The positives in ours outweigh so many teams even if we do have the odd negative.

    Simmo and willo might not get into many other sides but how many players from most other teams would replace our better players? Not many outside the top 4 that’s for sure.

  • 152 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:56 AM

    CH got sacked for form like this just saying.

  • 153 Dannyo // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:57 AM

    @eastandgeordie
    CH got sacked cause they didn’t belive he could take the club forward.
    Just saying.

  • 154 davis_toons // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:59 AM

    Maybe Spurs and Fullham Fans might be thinking they have a good manager but an unlucky one.

    Spurs
    1-0 up, playing well, follow by a man down (redcard). What can the manager do, of course that manager can still do alot. Go on and attack away from home or all out defence and grind it out the loss. Results 5-3

    Fullham
    1-0 down, at home, still keen on playing their style of football and created alot of chances got a goal 1-1 before burning out 1-3. Still the more dangerous side with 10 man.

    For these manager, once the lady luck shin upon them, where do you think they can go?

    Of course TROPHIES!!
    (Which was no strangers to them)

  • 155 davis_toons // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:02 AM

    Sorry, routed 5-2 was the Spurs results…

  • 156 davis_toons // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:06 AM

    I think these are words more of technical abilities manager…

    ‘The result looks like Arsenal were a very attacking side but it’s down to circumstances in the game.
    ‘One team is losing, tries to invert the result, exposes themselves a bit more and is playing with 10 men, with three at the back.
    ‘That obviously makes a difference but we took on the challenge, we risked it and that’s why we are proud of each other.
    ‘It’s extremely difficult to play here. Had we suffered one more goal, it wouldn’t change what we felt.
    ‘We felt we had a go. We felt that things that could have fallen our way fell Arsenal’s way.
    ‘We compliment Arsenal for the result but we have a lot of belief in each other.’

  • 157 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:11 AM

    Dannyo both true im not saying to sack him i still think we will do well this season, just hope we make a go for a cup we have nothing to lose.

  • 158 jonobbad // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:01 AM

    Don’t agree with us having a better squad than 13 others. Many are overrated.
    Players I’d show the door:
    Simmo
    Willo
    Vuckic
    Gosling
    Abeid
    Obertan
    Marveux
    Sammy
    Tavernier
    Inman
    Ranger
    Amilfitano
    Shola
    These are all players that I think are not good enough.
    Sack em all and make mr Carr earn his money

  • 159 Spuggy // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:01 AM

    Wow a few bad result, not playing terribly, lots of injuries and suspensions and people start questioning players hah

  • 160 Ian Toon // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:05 AM

    Transfer- Good morning. Pleased you reflected which is credit to you. Pardew is having to contend with long time weaknesses in the defence with inadequate means to do much about it at present. He planned to replace half the back four it didn’t materialise through no fault of his own. It’s not his fault we lack depth in the squad. You mentioned Everton and then qualified your point. They are a good team to emphasise my point. They bought in players to immediately provide real depth which I would suggest went a long way to assisting with their good start. Pardew makes the best of what he’s got . You posted yesterday on the gap between defence and midfield and how when we win the ball were so far from the opposing goal. Don’t you think that it might also have occurred to Pardew . We lack pace in most areas of the team and particularly in CD . Oppositions spend a fair bit of time exploiting. You can get away lacking these fundamentals for only so long. The suggestion that I have not raised concerns previously is farcical. My attitude mirrored Pardew’s of there is know point crying over spilt milk( one for you Jasper- Good Morning) just get on with it. But it helps to explain why he hasn’t pushed ahead with 4-2-3-1 and variations thereof- yawn yawn. It doesn’t go down well with Geordies but I have been very disappointed with Saylor who three seasons ago was going to be the next John
    Terry. Injuries haven’t helped him but he needs to work on interval training sprinting and his movement generally. He’s appeared less gung ho but he’s not that much quicker in thought and deed than Willo. A higher line, squeeze the play and we would benefit at both ends of the field as you suggested. Coloccini is not quick but he organises. I am fed up with continually pointing out the obvious to those who just want to blame the manager for pretty much everything.

  • 161 Spuggy // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:05 AM

    Bottom line is we don’t have the depth and these teams from the championship have seen us and Swansea etc and are no longer afraid to have a go and play football.
    Reasons we are playing badly?
    Europa
    Squad depth
    Form
    Luck

  • 162 bills-son // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:10 AM

    If Cabaye is out until Jan this is where Pards proves his management ability, or lack of it. The squad, and especially our top players, will be pretty peed off with where we are in the league, our performances and possibly the lack of signings in the summer. Two ways that can go – heads go down, players start moaning and blaming everyone but themselves and results get worse – or, the manager rallies the troops, tells the squad we have the ability to win the next three games on the trot and put ourselves back in contention for the top 6.

    Lets see what happens.

  • 163 Ian Toon // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:18 AM

    Munster- Good morrow mucker- you have to talk and understand the 5 year plan. That’s what trickles through to the funds available to the manager to get players on the field. The problem is well understood by me and maybe that’s why I don’t blame the manager for everything when we lose a few football matches. I don’t listen to what most managers have to say not just Pardew. It’s more important to think about why he’s saying it. I never listen to all the tv build up before matches it’s the hear and know. I am never sure which camp your in but if your so easily influenced by an article you’ve read – wow. The factual part of the article Pardew acknowledged ie lack of success with dead ball moves etc at end of last season. . He didn’t get players through the door. He was disappointed but got on with it. He’s not going to say so and tell the squad that we’ve got to go with a much weaker squad. It’s not what he says but why he says it!!!!
    Enjoy your day.

  • 164 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:29 AM

    With cabaye out will we get to see HBA in the no.10 role we need someone who can get the ball in the middle and make something happen. Obertan deserves another shot when fit.

  • 165 Ian Toon // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:32 AM

    bills-son – when the going gets tough it’s not only the manager who gets going . Motivation comes from within and it’s not just down to Pardew. The fans could contribute and get behind the team . Maybe we should sing ” We only sing when were winning”. When we went behind too many threw in the towel. Pathetic.

  • 166 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:34 AM

    Ian

    Spot on mate we have to do our part aswell and its not happening everything seems flat at the moment.

  • 167 yorkymag // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:41 AM

    Morning bit behind but I hope the sensible approach is taken with Cabs ,get him the operation and get him proper fit .
    It’s a challenge for the selection ,but surely talk of relegation is way off,as long as we can keep mr t on the field.
    There are options and sometimes out of want seems real despair a golden nugget will emerge,let’s face it Liverpool had not planned for sterling to be thrush onto the stage
    Maybe Iam sick of the dome and gloom merchants or just in a bubble .

  • 168 Ian Toon // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:41 AM

    Jesper- Humble apologies for calling you Jasper I was thinking of the story I sometimes read -LOL

  • 169 Ian Toon // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:42 AM

    east – well that’s two!!!!!

  • 170 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:51 AM

    Ian

    We can start our bit on thur, we need to get right behind them to get the win to qualify and to give us a boost for sunday.

  • 171 Transfer Sage // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:53 AM

    Ian

    What did I reflect on? not sure what bit of my posts you mean?

    My whole point is that Pardew is not an idiot, he may not have us playing attacking football but he certainly made us effective last year. Some great tacticao (some defensive but very tactical) displays away at swansea, home against man utd, home and away to stoke and a few more.

    I know he is capable of more. Yes he hasn’t got the players he said he needed, CB and RB, a clear weakness.

    He could still make the team press more in any formation, we let opposition players have too much time on the ball. Also if we struggle to link play between defence and midfield then midfield and attack he needs to change things.

    Have a midfielder sit a bit deeper, let him provide a simple link to the rest of midfield. Then get somebody one attacker to drop deeper to link with midfield.

    I have never asked for pardew to go, want him to do well, sure he will if given time. I just want him to identify the problems, we need to find a way to link our team as currently we are very disjoineted.

  • 172 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:59 AM

    Ian…no worries mate :-)

    …I lived in London for a year and my boss always called me Jasper. Everybody did except the French people I knew 😉 lol

  • 173 Pushy Pardew // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:07 AM

    Transfer Sage
    There are always things to improve. The point you have missed is that there’s little depth to the squad. The Players who would make it happen.

  • 174 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:10 AM

    It’s easy yo say get behind the team,when they’re playing well and go behind the team volume definitely rises a notch or two,when were playing like this it is very hard to get yourself in the mood for the Blaydon races.

  • 175 Pushy Pardew // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:13 AM

    Ian Toon
    Three. See your fighting the good fight mate. Pity our fans can’t see the light and realise that support is needed more when things are not going right. Some of the abuse Santon got from idiots after we went behind. For me he has been one of our best. I am going on thursday like to think well be back to winning ways.
    eaststand
    i’ll stand by you mate.

  • 176 Transfer Sage // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:14 AM

    Pushy pardew

    I have not missed the point our squad is thin. I accept that it’s thinner than the top 5/6 teams in the league but not that different to the other 13/14 teams.

    My point is we have players capable of stepping up.

    It’s the way we are set up which currently means we struggle to link between the 3 areas if our team.

    I think pardew has a difficult job managing without the defenders he needed, and seemed pretty confident he would get, only to be let down by the board.

  • 177 Pushy Pardew // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:15 AM

    Jesper
    That explains why your so cosmopolitan. Is that when you fell for NUFC?

  • 178 Pushy Pardew // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:22 AM

    Transfer
    The next time you buy a programme home or away i suggest you look at the playing squads as i do regularly. We have pretty much the most unbalanced squad from an experience, age, position etc in the Premiership. Just stop and reflect before banging off on here. We lack depth and cover which is why players are increasingly played out of position. Operate in the real world and think the issue through as i do without pounding the keyboard.

  • 179 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:25 AM

    Pushy…my love for NUFC came about a bit before; in ’95 more exactly 😀

    …I followed Shearer and was actually crazy back then with Blackburn, but NUFC caught my eyes cause they were playing football like no one else in Britain.

    So when they bought Shearer is was completely sold on NUFC :-) haven’t looked back since :-)

  • 180 Transfer Sage // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:26 AM

    Pushy

    I do consider things before I type them, thanks for patronising reponse without actually considerign what I said.

    So which teams in the league do you think have a better squad.

    I say, man utd, city, chelsea, arsenal, spurs, everton…..wouldn’t say others have any better squad depth and over all ability than ours.

    also how am I banging off? I am just suggesting a few things i have seen which I think could be improved on with out current players.




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