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Things May Get Worse Before They Get Better At Newcastle

4:43 pm, Monday, November 19th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 266 Comments

Alan Pardew has had even more bad luck following our two home defeats in a row, and Yohan Cabaye seems to be ruled out for a couple of months at least with his groin injury, and the decision about whether he should have surgery has still to be made.

Yohan Cabaye – could be out for two months – drat!

And when Yohan Cabaye does finally come back, it will coincide with our other top central midfielder Cheick Tiote, going off to the African Cup of Nations for the second year running.

The 51 year-old Newcastle manager, who is under considerable pressure with his squad having been decimated lately,  had this to say about the situation on Tyneside:

“It could be we run all the way to the end of January before I have my first team to pick from.” “When Cabaye comes back, Cheick will be gone. It is tough for us at the minute.”

“Cabaye might possibly have to have a little surgery on that groin. You have seasons when you lose players and you have to be able to cope with it.” “If I had everybody available then losing Cabaye would not be such a blow.”

“At the minute we cannot afford to lose anybody.” “We have been unlucky this year.” “We have lost Ryan Taylor and Haris Vuckic for more or less the season. One is bad and to lose two is tough to take and we have had suspensions.”

“I can only think of one occasion when I have had everyone to pick and that was at Sunderland when I had all my senior players. I know that is what we need to do. We need our best players back.”

“We are stretched this week and we have two big games and really that squad is only going to be added to by Jonas Gutierrez.”

The good news is that Papiss Cisse and Jonas Gutierrez are now both available, and it could be that things may even get a little worse before they get better on Tyneside.

But there’s no doubt that a win at Southampton on Sunday would lift the spirits of Newcastle fans everywhere, and that would be a huge win for the club, given where we stand at the moment.

And there’s no reason why that cannot happen on Sunday, given the lads get the full support of the fans, although we are a bit concerned about the negative criticism of Alan Pardew since Sunday.

What do you think?

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Tags: Injuries · Jonas Gutierrez · Newcastle News · Yohan Cabaye




266 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    Being used as an Aunt Sally at a village fate is too good for Ashley.

  • 2 nufc786 // Nov 19, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    time for abeid to step up

  • 3 GeordieTwo // Nov 19, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    What Pardew is really saying here is that the squad has no real depth in quality and Llambias is a hopeless moron.

  • 4 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 4:54 PM

    JFA
    Nice but not as good as your hit sauce one the other day!

  • 5 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 4:55 PM

    *hot

  • 6 Munster Mag // Nov 19, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    Ed, I’m not sure why you should be concerned or surprised re the criticism. I’m staying loyal to pardew for now but the more I rationalise, the more concerned I’m getting! The 4-4-2 ( and then saying it was 4-3-3 when many say that wasnt the case) , the poor first halves, the football worse than West Ham, not trying Santon more at right full back, the crap corners, the daft excuses ( eg Cisse, and Swansea’s experience ) the fact that most players seem to be getting worse under his coaching. Still we got 5th last year ( with a healthy dose of luck etc ) and he hasnt been supported by the owner this year so trying to be patient.

  • 7 mindshaft // Nov 19, 2012 at 4:57 PM

    Can’t see us getting anything at Southampton, they’ve played decent football and are very quick on the counter attack – something we have huge trouble with

  • 8 Super Magpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 4:59 PM

    This only makes matters worse and shows that we crying out for another CM. Sissoko should be a priority in January. Along with Debuchy and Douglas.

  • 9 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM

    Munster…Surprised, not really. Concerned, absolutely. That isn’t a reflection on whether it’s reasonable or not, but the fact it’s there is concerning for everyone.

    With regards to Pardews statements to the press. Some of them are bizarre, no getting away from that, however, I think the absolute honesty some fans want from him is completely unrealistic.

    He has the players he has for now. Coming out and saying that we desperately need new players in will do the following:

    1) Deflate the current players.
    2) Alarm all other clubs for our need, thus driving up prices.

    Sometimes, you need some BS to get through certains periods of time, it’s not nice or ethical when you examine it, but really, he has to do what is best for all aspects of the club. Not saying he definitely is, but some understanding wouldn’t go amiss from a fair few (not directly including you in that list).

  • 10 Constanstine // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    Hope to see Anita break through during this period. He’s been worth 500k so far.

  • 11 Toon GI Jordan // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:06 PM

    All Newcastle fans were saying all summer that we need to buy more players because we’ll be f**ked if we pick up a couple of injuries/suspensions, but no, we need the 11 ‘Purple’ players and a few fringe players. It’s a stupid policy that won’t work, every club needs depth in their squad and it’s even worse when your squad gets tested when you’re in the Europa league. We’ve now got to hold out until January and hope we pick up points.

  • 12 Graeme // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:10 PM

    Ibiza, I would be very surprised if the players were not fully aware of our weaknesses and that plans are afoot to bring in new players to improve the squad.

    We will still need cover for our new recruits, so those currently employed are unlikely to be given a P45 – no matter that we would gladly sign one for a few we have!!

  • 13 GeordieTwo // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    Although he hasn’t been at his best this season Cabaye is a huge loss for us. It will reveal the weakness we now have in midfield. Bigi is not yet ready for the Prem as a starter, we continue to see nothing of Abeid, Gosling hasn’t improved because he is repeatedly injured, Vuckic is out for the season, Jonas has become a defensive midfielder at best, leaving Tiote to do everything (if he can avoid injuries and suspensions). We have been badly exposed by a few injuries and suspensions. Not good enough. This season will be a hard rap on the knuckles for Ashley and Llambias (hopefully). We will be hard pressed to stay mid-table which won’t please the owner at all but is a huge reality check. Open your eyes Ashley.

  • 14 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    Can I pose another idea on the whole luck theory?

    Not sure why I’m asking, I’m going to write it anyway. Now, before I start, just thought about this, so not sure to what extent I agree. But hey, should beat discussing a footballer who is likely to be leaving and his sex life and whether or not we’re doomed.

    Is belief not a huge factor in how we do? Some people call it luck, whereas some will say you make your own luck. From belief and togetherness you get synergy, after that “luck” may seemingly be on your side.

    Which reverts me back to my earlier ramblings. What can we do now or what should we be doing now as fans?

    Please don’t think I’m preaching, you will all do what you want or can, just a thought.

    If we accept that we must wait until January to do anything about anything, shouldn’t we be getting behind the team more than ever? Install some confidence and belief.

    People say “me b*tch*ng on a blog wont effect the players, but I disagree 100%. Over the last week we have seen a major increase in reports of fans being unhappy, people leaving the stadium in droves, etc etc. Pardew is now out making excuses and trying to calm the fans. This will be getting round the club and it’s silly to think otherwise.

    I do understand that blind faith runs out, I really do, but is this the time to be losing it? The only thing that could happen at this time is forcing Pardew out, which many have said they don’t want to happen. So all I’m saying is, for now, should we leave the recent whatever you want to call it and get back to where we were a little while ago?

    Thought and abuse welcomed (more so the former 😉 )

  • 15 Graeme // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    From South Wales today – What they think of Pardew’s claims as to why we lost lol

    ALAN Pardew made the tenuous claim that Swansea City’s “experience” had been key after Newcastle United were humbled at St James’ Park this weekend.

    Michael Laudrup fielded a team which included teenager Ben Davies, untried goalkeeper Gerhard Tremmel and full debutant Itay Shechter. Six members of Swansea’s starting XI were playing on Tyneside for the first time, while not one member of the visiting line-up could be described as a seasoned Premier League player.

    Yet Pardew reckoned a lack of top-flight nous was central to Newcastle’s second successive home defeat.

  • 16 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    Graeme…Fair point, they must be as clued (or un-clued) in as we are. Still, there is a difference between that and the manager weekly telling people the current players aren’t good enough :)

    Let’s not kid ourselves, confidence plays a huge factor is sport and whilst criticism can be used to motivate, after a certain point it just becomes abusive and negative to ones psyche.

  • 17 Super Magpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:19 PM

    Pardew has to be careful with his words because if upsets the wrong people then matters only get worse. He couldn’t come out and say it was Krul’s fault for the goal and say that Williamson is not good enough. Using injured/suspended players as an excuse buys him time because the fans who don’t go/watch the games ( which there are a lot of) will think that’s why and give him more time.

    Obviously, the people who do can see straight through that. Blaming the absence of Cisse for Saturdays defeat was one of the most shocking things he has said IMO. His changing of tactics at HT is what should be blamed instead, he got it wrong and he should acknowledge that. I’m not saying that is fully to blame because it isn’t. But it certainly played a part.

    Pardew is very clever at manipulating the fans and media so he can take the pressure off himself. He can’t come out and slate players because they then won’t want to play.

  • 18 GeordieTwo // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:19 PM

    Pardew is trying to claim we played 4-3-3 against Swansea. It didn’t look that way to me. It had the smell of the never ending 4-4-2 with Sammy out on the wing for the most part. I think Pardew is getting a bit desperate now with all the difficult games in December coming up and a very weak and under-performing side. Mainly Llambias should take the blame for this although Pardew’s tactics have been disappointing to say the least. Of course all we needed for a successful season was our purple players and a few fill-ins which we already had according to Dekka. No wonder we didn’t spend anything and now we’re right where we deserve to be based on our play so far.

  • 19 barry_ben_arfa // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:20 PM

    I don’t see the logic in breaking up a team well suited to playing 4-4-2 long ball and a team that were happy to play that way to buy in some amazing players from the continent who are suited to short passing and then continue to play long ball. I can’t imagine Cabaye is happy being bypassed in midfield and Cisse doesn’t even challenge for headers. Is it any wonder both are suffering a loss of form. The fact we haven’t scored from a corner in over a year shows we have a team that aren’t an ariel threat. Only Demba Ba gains anything from 4-4-2 long ball and sure enough he’s started scoring again. It’s either sell Ba or get rid of Ben Arfa, Cisse & Cabaye and bring in Carroll, Nolan & Barton

  • 20 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    Super…Good point. Pardew would do a lot better to accept some blame himself at times. Even a half hearted “well, my subs could have been used better” or something.

    But yes, he does need to take pressure of the players and does so very well imo. He’s the head man though and should try accepting some fault, sometimes, even if he doesn’t believe it was down to him.

  • 21 Super Magpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:34 PM

    GeordieTwo

    We did in the first half, although it was more of a 4-4-1-1 for me, and we played well. In the second half Shola came on and we played 4-4-2. Swansea flooded the midfield and picked us off from there.

    Ibiza
    Very true. I can sympathise with him because he’s now got a very limited group of players and has to try and keep morale high. But he can’t make the same excuses every week and hide away from the fact some of it is his fault. If he came out after a defeat and took some of the blame for it then he would go up in my estimation because he would’ve acknowledged his mistakes and thus learned from it.

    If I was him I’d be screaming at Llambias for recruitments because he takes more of the blame for me by failing to get the players we desperately needed in during the summer. January is a big window for us, it will show if Ashley/Llambias have the ambition to see us competing in the top 6.

    I posted yesterday who I think we should get, I’ll repost it in a minute. Just a warning,It might sound a little Kets like though. 😀
    It seems the Ketsitus I’ve been diagnosed with is getting worse.

  • 22 Super Magpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    January Window-
    INS-
    Sissoko £2/3m
    Debuchy £5/6m
    Douglas £3/4m

    OUTS-
    Simpson £1m-£2m (Since contract is running out)

    £8m-£12m net spend?Is that really too much to ask?
    I know it sounds like Kets but I think it’s a bit more realistic.
    We can get these players if we really want to.
    Hopefully we can keep players too.

  • 23 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:42 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFTqA5pVvfU&feature=related
    It was from last season bit it shows Pardew can take the blame at times.

  • 24 stuart no9 // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    the sole person responsible for the rubbish being served up lately is AP – no one elses. hes in charge,or is it Ashlys. one or the other must – must take the blame.

  • 25 Super Magpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    Tequilamag

    He could afford to last season because we were doing well; Not that he did that often anyway.
    It’s when we are not he finds any other excuse. At the time of that game we were in 5th place. We are 12th now.

  • 26 GeordieTwo // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:49 PM

    Super Magpie I couldn’t agree more and yes the first half looked like 4-4-1-1 to me as well. The culprit in all this is Llambias. He was so sure of himself in the summer with the purple theory and the idea that all our squad players including Willo were brilliant. How does that look now? Not so good but since we have a group of brilliant stand-ins we should be fine, in fact aren’t we challenging for a Champions league place this season? And how is that working out Derek?

  • 27 Sawbuck // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:51 PM

    Non of us wanted to get shed of Hoots – now he’s pulling odd sweet victories. Who said he couldn’t have sealed a Euro spot?

    Still Pard has had a bad hand.

  • 28 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:53 PM

    Super magpie it was just an example. But if you can post me examples of other managers who consistently accept the blame when things go wrong I would love to see them. It`s just media BS to be taken with a grain of salt. It serves no purpose. Pardew rarely criticizes the players in public either because there is little to be gained by undermining the confidence of your players in public.

  • 29 Graeme // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    Super Mag – MA was quoted some while ago saying he would be prepared to put in “Maybe £20 million a year” on players once the club was self sufficient.

    Well, we are expected to make a profit this year, which pretty much confirms we have achieved self sufficiency and are living within our means.

    Hopefully that will allow our Illustrious Owner to be a little magnanimous towards new recruits!! I guess February will determine the reality of the situation!!!

  • 30 Super Magpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:55 PM

    Geordietwo

    Spot on. Llambias is like a fountain of bullsh*t. It never ends.
    I blame him more than Pardew for our recent failings, his purple player theory is just laughable.

  • 31 Sawbuck // Nov 19, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    It’s easy to predict what’ll happen in the window.

    Suarez to Man City
    Cisse Liverpoll
    Carroll to Newcastle

    and we end up jammed in 14th spot again.

  • 32 Super Magpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    Graeme
    We will see, I’m not expecting much though.

    Tequila
    Other managers don’t blame missing players every week either. If a manager came out after every defeat and said he got it wrong, then it would make him look bad. I’m not saying I want Pardew to come out and say he got it wrong after every bad result we have. It would just be nice if he came out and acknowledged his mistakes when appropriate.

  • 33 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    Sawbuck if it`s that easy you have a 4 bet accumulator with odds that could set you up for life. I take it you will be down the bookies tomorrow because it is so easy to see what is going to happen.

  • 34 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:02 PM

    Super….I’d say your ketsitus is on the mend….very reasonable wish list. The thing is, I imagine that is pretty much the shopping list. I personally believe they were trying to get those player, they even thought they had / would. If they come in January, I wont see it as them making up for being silly in the summer, but simply continuing with their plan.

    All these, what I deem, smaller issues, are somewhat easier to deal with. The more concerning of late is the “i’ve never like Pardew, he can’t get a style being paid, never has, never will and must get out of the club” that’s going around and is sadly picking up momentum. There is no quick fix for that, just Pardew proving them wrong, which will take time.

    I suppose one thing at a time, what will be will be. I’m going to go find myself a field of flowers to skip through.

    La de la de dah :)

  • 35 Sawbuck // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    I might .. I just might.

    I already asked for odds on Maudrup next Man Utd boss.

    Nobody got back to me yet. But I tell you they will be lower than I want.

  • 36 Sawbuck // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    Laudrup. not Maudrup.

  • 37 Sawbuck // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:06 PM

    Its the most likely scenario. Ashel and Llanbias would see that as a sweet deal.

  • 38 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:07 PM

    Super Magpie all managers try to pass the buck, it goes with the job. SAF once blamed the colour of their away strip because it made it to hard to pick his players out. Wenger has selective blindness every time his players make a bad foul. Pardew is hardly alone in this one. And would it really make you feel happier if Pardew put on the hairshirt and said it`s all my fault? All he would be doing is giving ammunition to the bedsheet brigade.

  • 39 Ian Toon // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:09 PM

    Ibiza- Delighted you managed to negotiate the increased deal from Ed.
    Even without the additional workload your worth every penny.
    Synergistically yours.

  • 40 Super Magpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    Ibiza
    There will always be the people who feel that way, nothing can be done about that. If they feel like that, let them. Pardew won’t be leaving anytime soon ( I hope anyway). At the minute it is only a minority and hopefully it stays that way.

    On January, I’m not as confident as you as to us bringing in those players. I’d love to be proved wrong however.

  • 41 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    Your all pointing fingers trying to find the culprit when each person at management level is as much to blam as the next.

    Ashley for not investing enough.

    Llambias for being rubbish at his job and knowing nothing about football.

    Pardew for god awful tactics, not motivating the team enough and talking absolute shite in the press so avoid admitting the truth about his own shortcomings.

    Basically we are fcuked for the next 8 years unless we get a new owner, a new managing director and a new manager.

    I think the Nufc the business is doing well so nufc the football club will rot in mediocrity.

    I wish to god the Arabs or the Russians or the Chinese or the Americans or the Mexicans or the Japanese or anyone else other than these cockney wide boys were in charge.

    I have nothing against cockneys just against business sharks, yes men and people who are quite simply terrible at their jobs.

    I just wish a billionaire could see the potential we see. Newcastle, a small city with ST James park as it’s cathedral and football as it’s religion. We could have a 100 000 seated stadium and if the football was exciting and successful we could fill it.

    Yet now we struggle to get 52 000 and it’s a dead place.

    Why? Many factors but I wouldn’t cheer and shout at a game of garden boules and that’s more exciting than Pardews nufc.

    You want the fans to sing? Play football and show us why we are fans of nufc and why we were once labled the best fans in the country.

  • 42 Super Magpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:16 PM

    Tequila
    Wenger is the worst I’ve seen at those type of incidents.
    Ofc it will fuel the fire, but its how he responds to his mistakes that has people moaning. At the moment his responses have not been great both on and off the pitch.

  • 43 Super Magpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:18 PM

    Alan Pard Who

    I’m sure we all would, but it won’t happen. I don’t think we would fill a 100,000 seater stadium either. 😉

  • 44 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:20 PM

    Sorry but I think some of you are totally deluded , how can you sit and think it was lack of signings, sure it wasn’t good , but he brought in a few players for the squad and one for the first team, how many more players do you think he would have got? I think his pot would have been around 10 mill, so he got vurnon and bigi, there is 8,5 mil ,

    He said he had a good enough squad in the summer and never lost a player that he wanted to keep, we have played 12 games so far and most of you are talking as if he has been down to the bare bones the whole time, now if we are talking about the fixtures coming up with what he has left, then yeh I think it’s will be tough, but right now the points on the board are directly Pardews problem, his lack of team management his lack of attacking imagination his choice to play defensive football,

    You guys are buying the bullshit that he spews after every match

  • 45 solano // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    Super @ 20…you make some decent points, but do we really need another transfer window for you to make your mind up about the ambitions of the peole at the top? Was the colour purple speech not enough to convince you that we operate a reactive recruitment policy, not a proactive one?
    The seeds of our present malaise were sown in the summer; and despite denials, there was some discontent from certain players and staff at our apparent lack of urgency in strengthening. I’m afraid the handing out of 8 year deals since then has exacerbated the feeling of complacency even if it did assuage pardew’s frustration.
    Pardew is indeed in a right pickle. His role as a regime patsy means that his excellent achievments of last year have brought him some respect (at least from me!) but no love from the fans who see the many contradictions in his interviews. He oscillates from saying he has the best bosses in the world to criticising the boardroom for failing to bring in new faces. These contradictions extend to his poor excuses for performance levels of late. I do not want to see our manager go – there simply won’t be another who could work so well under the most intense of conditions and who would be willing to work for relatively cheap stakes.
    It’s an all so familiar tale of pressure building up on one man when in reality, the club’s policy is intrinsically flawed.
    I’ve lived long enough and seen enough shite in my time at NUFC to know that the lame old rallying calls of blaming the fans themselves for not getting behind the team enough is the first sign that we could be in for struggle. It’s almost tragic this time round, simply because we do have genuine talent that could grace many a great team but we also have very limited ability players who are automatic choices because of a lack of ambition to achieve tangible success. The fans need to wake up and smell the coffee, because seeing the back of another manager will not help in the mid to long term. The real guilty parties are the one’s in the boardroom who have convinced many that spending little or nothing is the way to improve upon yourselves year on year.

  • 46 Transfer Sage // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    I don’t care what pardew says in front of the cameras, all managers protect the players and themselves. Try to create an us vs them mentality to bring them together.

    As long as he also is telling then to buck their ideas up in private all is well on that front in my eyes.

    We may want honesty but it won’t always help.

  • 47 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    Ian Toon ,you really are a tool.
    Ibiza,
    If those players do arrive in January at a saving of say three million pounds,then don’t you think that this plan of theirs is a little flawed,a whole season has possibly been jeopardized for the sake of a few quid.

  • 48 hotdog // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    Well after reading ed’s last view posts I have a feeling of “what the fu*k did you lot expect” I’m sick of hearing the shite that is getting spouted by players and management. “We are a force at home” “injuries are costing us” arghh. Pardew especially needs to cut out his waffle and manage the team employ a spokesman if needs be. It’s excuse after excuse. Get ya heads down, graft and turn things around and Ashley sign an experienced centre half pronto you muppet!

  • 49 Transfer Sage // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    I feel I need to reiterate this point.

    The squad we have now is not a top 4 squad so I don’t expect us to get that.

    But it is not a bottom half of the league squad either.

    Pardew needs to get then performing to the best if their ability which I believe is between 6-9th.

    We are only a few wins away from being 6/7th and that’s taking into account other teams winning too. If we win 3 on the trot, which we are capable of with our next 3 games we could be in a good position.

  • 50 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    Sawbuck

    can name 6 worse teams than us right now

  • 51 bills-son // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    Haven’t seen anyone make this point – for me the Maritimo match on Thursday is now a big game. If we win well and score a 4 or 5 it could be just the confidence booster the squad needs.

    We’ve still got Krul, Santon, STaylor, Tiote, HBA, Anita, Ba and Cisse available for Southampton. If these guys and the other three selected get stuck in and play to anywhere near their potential we can win next Sunday. This is a big week for Pardew and the players, they all need to stand up and be counted.

    I’m off the blog until next Monday, there’s nowt more to read or say. I want to see every player busting a gut in the next two games. Anything less is totally unacceptable.

  • 52 sirtoongospel // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    By all accounts I don’t think that Pards could be expected to slate every player directly to the press. His job is to protect them, make excuses if necessary, and deal with things behind the scenes. Personally I don’t care what he says to the press, it is matterless really. I just look at the way we play, as the proof is in the pudding.

    Humble pie time for me to an extent too. I have been a big critic of Jonas this season as there has been no end product. But since he got hurt, we have looked powderpuff. I would venture to say that we wouldn’t have lost either of the last two games had he played. Certainly not suggesting we would have won, but we wouldn’t have lost. His work rate will be welcomed this weekend, and I was one of the ones who wanted him rested. We missed his energy though.

  • 53 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM

    Super , I agree the mark of a good manager is how they cope when things are going badly. But I think Pardew should be judged on how well he deals with this current bad stretch on the pitch not in the press. Many have already decided after 12 games Pardew is taking us nowhere. I disagree with that assessment, I think Pardew needs time to show that he is the man for the job. Consatant complaints about every facet of his management achieves nothing other than ratcheting up the pressure on the players. Anyone who has gone to SJP can tell you when the team are playing well the crowd can be fantastic but when things are going badly and the crowd start complaining about every missplaced pass then some players can`t handle it and go into their shells afraid to receive a pass in case the make a mistake.

  • 54 Sawbuck // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM

    What, What

  • 55 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM

    Solano ,
    A very well written piece.

  • 56 Super Magpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:33 PM

    Catchy
    Top notch hypocrisy there. Well done.

    Solano
    The reason that I’m giving the board until January is that maybe they thought that we could get by and kept injuries to a minimum. Im still not pleased with them regardless of what they thought.Obviously we haven’t kept injuries to a minimum and now are in desperate need of some new players. 8 years is abit extravagant considering he already had 3 years left; there wasn’t really any need for it. Who knows what clauses are in that contract though.

  • 57 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:33 PM

    Ibiza…are you back from that ‘dafodil field forever’ mate 😉

  • 58 Marty-Toon // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:33 PM

    Can’t say I’ve enjoyed watching the team play football this year in the league.
    The only game was the spurs game,otherwise we’ve played better with a lesser team in the euro league.
    Don’t see us getting much against the Saints but this is when you need lads to step up.
    We’ve got Amilftano,Abeid,Anita,Marveau,Fergie,Bigi,Sammy and Tav so it’d be nice to see some of them grow some big ones and get some fighting passion in the team

  • 59 Transfer Sage // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:34 PM

    If pardew thinks we struggle for a passing game and wants to play hoofball (I don’t think that is his plan) then we should commit properly.

    Get shola a s Ba up top together.

    Get fergie or obertan left and make Ben arfa hug the touchline to deliver good crosses. Get the midfield further up to win the knock downs and play that way.

    If we want a passing game and we are missing cabaye get a forward off and have two men in midfield to help tiote out. Shove Ba left and tell him if he wants to play that’s his position.

  • 60 fray bentos // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:36 PM

    @super magpie – post 17

    But are you sure you were actually watching the game either?!

    You blame Pardew’s half time tactics, our best period of the game was the first 15 mins of the 2nd half (even Catchy was impressed by us during this period) and it wasnt untill they scored that we lost momentum a bit and they were able to play their guarded counter attack tactic even more so.

    Criticize Pardew if thats your opinion, fair enough but when it doesn’t even look like you were paying attention to the game, it doesn’t make your argument look very good, trying watrching properly next time

  • 61 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:36 PM

    Ian….I hope you don’t mind, but I’m going to steal that sign off for my business letter. Synergistically yours. Positive, albeit a little pompous :)

    Jail…..On the face of it, I know where you’re coming from. However, £2-3m saving is one of those players. So, the next question is, is it better to have jeopardized the season, to get an extra player? Probably the most important question (when thinking about who our owner is and how he wants to do things) is, do they view this season as importantly as some fans? (the word “some” isn’t meant to belittle or imply it’s the minority, just not all :) ).

    I know you don’t buy in to “the plan”, much like Solano (Hello, long time no see), so this bit is difficult to have any belief in whatsoever, but I think they view this season as a stepping stone. Don’t want to play with us in the summer? Okay, we’ll wait to the winter? The way they view it is, whether it takes one window, two, three or more, at the end they will get to where they want within the financial structure they want to use. Not exciting from a fans perspective in the short term and there is certainly good reason to think they may have underestimated how long players will stick around and wait for the plan to come in to play, however, I imagine the new signings were told this wasn’t an overnight or one season project, so maybe the majority of them will stay a while and see what happens? I haven’t heard any of them out trying to rustle up a move, only a couple of agents after their player has been played out of position.

    Obviously the quicker route is to get new owners and just buy the players we need now, then plan for the future, but that isn’t on the table and it doesn’t seem fair to judge our owner on those standards.

  • 62 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    ‘Let me take you down
    ‘Cause I’m going to Daffodil Fields
    Nothing is real
    And nothing to get hung about
    Daffodil Fields forever’

  • 63 solano // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    SuperMag…the cloour purple speech would try the patience of angels! Injuries are as inevitable as winter frosts. Having adequtae cover in all positions is something even a sunday league manager would aspire to – unfortunately Llambias doesn’t seem able to grasp the concept of what a squad is for.

  • 64 Super Magpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    Tequila
    Agree with that. Like I said above there will always be people who jump to conclusions too quickly and there is not much that can be done about that.

  • 65 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:39 PM

    Super Maggie,
    We have to give them until January as wehavewill have to give them until the window after that,and we’ll have the same people saying don’t worry there’s a plan we’ll spend in January\summer,amazingly in defence of the regime a few on here said we didst need to strengthen,I have noticed a few less Mashley apologists are around lately even bills is having a moan.

  • 66 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:39 PM

    Sirtoon
    Agree we did miss jonas vs swansea missed him breaking up play on there counters and missed him holding the ball up letting our midfielders get forward

    TS
    I wish you would stop changing your mind about are squad size ffs stop moving the goal posts

  • 67 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:40 PM

    Ibiza…that comment a few threads back, was that directed at me or just to me, if you know what I mean?

    …just wondering :)

  • 68 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:41 PM

    Super Maggie,
    We have to give them until January as we will have to give them until the window after that,and we’ll have the same people saying don’t worry there’s a plan we’ll spend in January\summer,amazingly in defence of the regime a few on here said we didnt need to strengthen,I have noticed a few less Mashley apologists are around lately even bills is having a moan.

  • 69 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:41 PM

    Super, true that mate, just hope we can get a win quickly so people can chill out a little.

  • 70 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    Jesper…Who told you about my secret place?

  • 71 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    Magpie,
    Sorry

  • 72 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    What points tally do you think we will have by the end of jan when the window closes

  • 73 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:43 PM

    Jesper…Which comment?

  • 74 hotdog // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:44 PM

    Transfersage – couldn’t agree more. We seem to be stuck Inbetween two styles of play. Even if fergies crosses reach the centre ba has three defenders on him and no one is gambling on the edge of the box for the drop down. Hopefully pards can change things around but he needs to clear his head and stop spouting crap

  • 75 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:45 PM

    Ibiza…that long one with the four issues 😀

  • 76 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:46 PM

    Jesper…The grow up one? No, it wasn’t, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply :)

    Jail….I think when people said we didn’t need to strengthen, it was more a reflection on where we were, what we were trying to achieve and in what time frame, rather than we don’t need any new players at all – I said I think, not know.

    I am off for a little bit, but I will be back later and look forward to engaging with you fine folk.

  • 77 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:46 PM

    Ibiza…I know where your quite place are mate 😉 (we all need that special place to recharge)

  • 78 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:47 PM

    Is Alan hodge-podge Pardew gone yet?

  • 79 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:47 PM

    Jesper….I may have been drunk when I wrote it, so not sure. Did it make any sense or apply to anything…at all? If so, then yes. Use my wise words and continue with your life as a better man :)

    Chat later.

  • 80 Ian Toon // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:48 PM

    Solano – I understand there is an emergency board meeting tonight.
    Because of the change of mood amongst fans and players purple players are henceforth to be black.

  • 81 hotdog // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:49 PM

    Ibiza with a long post I don’t believe it 😉 catch u later bud

  • 82 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:51 PM

    Ibiza…it was something about accepting where we are or move one…cannot rememebr it all, but had four issues of concern.

    …anyways (with your knowledge of sarcasm and irony I just had to make sure it wasn’t aimed at me ;)) lol

    Grow up you say? ….who am I kidding 😀 (you are probably right)

  • 83 solano // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    Ian Toon…. black and blue is the colour for Llambias 😉

  • 84 Ian Toon // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    Ibiza- Only a fool would ever think you were either arrogant or pompous. Only Mister Tuff with his moral outrage has out scored you
    today. Thought better of congratulating him just in case he was being deadly serious- smiley face .

  • 85 MagpiesFlyHigh // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:54 PM

    Catchy…….”I think some of you are totally deluded”
    Pot / kettle.

    I think the two ideas floating around this thread are both spot on:
    1: The board’s purple approach is a recipe for underachievment. They have saddled AP with the wrong strategy. In reality we have maybe half a dozen purples ;
    1: We are caught between two styles of play and are making the best of neither. I think this is confusing the players and may be one of the reasnos our play is just so disjointed and purposeless at times.

  • 86 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:55 PM

    hotdog…you better believe mate 😉

    …you know it was like reading on of them boring bucks when you are tired – you just keep read the same lines over and over again and it still doesn’t make sense 😀 lol

  • 87 MagpiesFlyHigh // Nov 19, 2012 at 6:56 PM

    Ian

    Black …. black with white stripes or white with black stripes

  • 88 Ian Toon // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    Solano- Word has reached me that your warming towards me. In these difficult times I reckon I need all the support going old friend. Did that sound sincere. Just wanted you to know that if ever you feel like saying I told you so it would only be to the detriment of the club.
    That same club you’ve supported man and boy and me just as a boy.
    Your back on my Xmas card list managed to delete one Catchy. You know him his material isn’t as crafted as yours.

  • 89 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    Krul
    Simo-Taylor-Colo-Guti
    Tiote-Anita
    Benarfa-Cabaye-Santon
    Ba/cisse

    This line up would rip defences apart!!

    Flat back four with great chemistry.
    Two great ball players and tacklers in Tiote and Anita sitting deep in midfield.
    Ben arfa and Santon running the channels and cutting in.
    Cabaye sitting behind one of the Dembas feeding them what they need to score.
    Rotate the Dembas for a number of reasons im not going to bore u with.

    This is why people are annoyed with Pardew because hes still experimenting with his team after 12 games this season, have a plan, have a formation, have a mind set and fuckin stick to it.

    Oh and please play Santon higher up on the pitch!!!!!

    Rant over.

  • 90 Super Magpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    Fray bentos @59

    I did watch the game, I said after the game on Saturday and yesterday that we started the 2nd half brightly and after they settled again, they scored within minutes. From there we looked despondent of belief.
    I don’t like being questioned if I watched the game either. He brought in the wrong subs at the wrong time IMO and got it wrong in the 2nd half

  • 91 hotdog // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    Jesper – I get ya haha. I think he is more riddler than skwirrel man myself :-)

  • 92 Super Magpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    Solano
    Read post 29, that’s my view on Llambias.

    Jail
    Don’t bother apologising for your ‘error’, I won’t bite. 😉
    On the board and January-
    They have the chance to amend some ( not all) of their wrongs. If they can do that then I’ll be happy, not holding my breath though.

  • 93 Quasi.modo // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:09 PM

    So have we calmed down after the poor result of the weekend?

    Extremely disappointing news with regards Cabaye, seems like it doesn’t rain but it pours.

    Need to knuckle down and rally round. It is at times like these where the boys become men (and we have a lot of boys in the first team squad) but I’m backing them to sort it out.

  • 94 solano // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:10 PM

    Ian… you touch on the ‘toon space/time continuum paradox’ of the realists (once known as neggers). I don’t have time to expound on my theory tonight but may return to it another time.
    As for the ‘I told you so’…I may be tempted to utter that phrase only when under the most extreme provocation – but prefer to refer to some wise words previously spoken. ‘History will absolve me.’ 😉

    Save the Christmas card and give the money to charity…or to our transfer benevolent fund.

  • 95 breno95 // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:10 PM

    Lots of bitching & moaning and self appreciation taking place on here at the moment.
    For all those pissed at Pardew and results in the last 2 games my question is what would you all do differently to creat better play and have gotten different results?
    Have to laugh at MFH comment that we appear to have 2 styles of play and the players (who by the way are professional footballers and have been playing professionally for a number of years) are ‘confused’. Bless them eh! Confused. That’s as ridiculous as those on here who see Shola as a legend and worse still a footballer.
    Will be interesting to read the views of those who can arrest the slump and impact style of play of which alot feel APs time is up!

  • 96 archaeomag // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    OMG
    Ranger has scored against Macams

  • 97 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    MagpiesFlyHigh

    your NO1 thought going around is total bull,, i think as well as you, that what we have is a good squad, that is not being used correctly,
    which links into your no2 thought,, is this really a manager who at 51 can not make his mind up, we have a reserve team playing with wingers, we have a euopean team that plays 433, and the most inportant team the first team have no style what so ever

    he is 51, he is the manager of a great football club, he does not seem to know what his right hand is doing, and yet some of you think he will lead us out of this,, what kind of leadership is this,,

    he is like the pied piper and most of you are dancing along to the clubs relegation dance

  • 98 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:13 PM

    Archeo it`s an early Xmas miracle.

  • 99 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:14 PM

    Archaeomag
    Behave

  • 100 archaeomag // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:16 PM

    TDS
    – Believe

  • 101 LGFUAD21 // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:18 PM

    It amazes me how so many on here seem to be under the impression that all problems can be solved by throwing money at them.

    Im not arguing for the clubs financial policy. It’s the lesser of 2 extreme evils bu some middle ground is needed.

    But those going on about how we needed to sign Debuchy and Douglas?

    Had we, we would be no better off.

    Our defence lacks depth but it is a solid first back 4. And there is only so much bombardment any back four can take.
    The problem is the middle of the field. And its nowt to do with a lack of quality. it’s that something is not be ironed out in the training ground.

    We loose the midfield battle and thats why we have lost games. Our off the ball movement is shocking. We cant string 2 passes together and even when we do we have 1 dimensional strikers that are being marked out of games or isolated by our own play.

  • 102 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:18 PM

    Catchy, we all know that your opinion of Pardew is pretty low, but consider this, his PL peers, the PL managers voted him manager of the season last year. either they are all idiots which seems doubtful as they are at the top of a very competitive coaching industry or Pardew does genuinely have skills. And to be fair what club/ team does not have rises and falls in form? It is part and parcel of football.

  • 103 archaeomag // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:19 PM

    mackem reserves 0 Ranger 1 @Stadioshitio

  • 104 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    LGFUAD21

    i hate agreeing with you,, but you are right,,

    ppl are starting to read pardews excuse book and blame anything other than the thing it is

  • 105 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    Archaeomag
    Im trying it would be easier if he was wearing his obertan anttenas!

  • 106 LGFUAD21 // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    Notice how we look half the team without tiote. only problem is he needs to calm down and stay on the pitch. He is one player that holds possession and builds play.

    The rest of our team needs to learn how to close down a player. We allow teams to play.

    The swansea result did not shock me. They may not have any “star” names and only came up 2 years ago but are a better team. Because they play better.

    If any money needs to be thrown into the club its to be invested in science so that we can bring back brian clough from the dead.

    A real manager who knew you didnt have to spend to build a good team.

    The whole is more the sum of its parts fellas.

  • 107 LGFUAD21 // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:22 PM

    catchy in norway

    Im not even saying “Pards out” i just think he needs to realise that whatever he is doing is not working. The blame rests on the team as well.

    A tougher approach needs to be taken. Can help but feel he pussy foots around people like Cissrather than screaming at him for not getting into the right positions.

  • 108 archaeomag // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    oops now 1 1 @mackem reserves

  • 109 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    LGFUAD, I agree partially with what your saying but defence is an area where we could do with more cover. Colo has only started 5 games out of 12 this season and although Saylor and Willo are not bad players , well certainly not as bad as some on here would have you believe they both look much better playing alsongside Colo. An extra CH would certainly have been of benefit to us this season,

  • 110 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    tequilamag

    so if he gets us relegated this season, what award will you give him?
    what good will last seasons award do him then

    does it mean that a guy who wins an award is aloud to have a poor season the next one,,

  • 111 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    LGFUAD21

    Your right to a degree do think we need to strenghthen at the back but once guthrie went we lost a runner in CM anita is still settling and looks better each game but we still lack another creative driving midfielder that can change a game or game plan when cabs isnt injured or midfields getting over run

  • 112 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:26 PM

    LGFUAD21
    i know your not saying AP out,,

    but its comon sense what your saying,,

    ppl blaming every one else other than him, he is the leader

    i have said for ages he is to weak and gives in to players

  • 113 archaeomag // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:26 PM

    TDS
    Shame about Ranger – potential in hair department;
    I think he should go for the Bo Derek beaded look – but with small bells – so people would here him coming.

  • 114 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:27 PM

    Pards is getting a lot of stick atm of of certain individual’s I don’t suppose he’s helping himself with the style of football and his forked tongue interviews,but what you have to remember is that he was badly let down in the summer to the point of embarrassment over the RTaylor injury,KK got lied to and let down and half the blog turned on a local legend Pards has been let down and I don’t expect he will get the same sympathy from the fans if things really start to get shitty.

  • 115 archaeomag // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:27 PM

    Word on the Street is that Sparky has been sacked . . .

  • 116 Quasi.modo // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    The responsibility for our poor performances lies with everyone, the manager, the players, the coaching staff, not one more so than the rest so anyone screaming “Pardew out” is absolving everyone else that is responsible for these displays.

    Why is Pardew more responsible than the players? People want to blame Pards because it is easier, but just because it is easier to blame the manager does that make it right?

  • 117 fray bentos // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    @super magpie

    You said half time tactics in your post, backtracking now eh

  • 118 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    Catchy I am not in the business of handing out awards as I am not a PL manager nor are you. I simply make the point that to slate Pardew as clueless does not square with the fact that people much more qualified to make those judgements rate Pardew. As for relegation well i suppose you could take satisfaction in that as you feel you have proved a point. For myself I don`t think there is any chance we will go down.

  • 119 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:30 PM

    tequilamag

    george burly won manager of the season for season 2000/2001 he got relegated season 2001/2002

    great manager him,, where is he now??

  • 120 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:32 PM

    Archeaomag
    But if he’s got bells on how will he rob pensioners? They will hear him coming miles off!
    And dont say sparkys been sacked to loud or some on here will be calling for him as our next manager!!!

  • 121 hotdog // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    LGFUAD21
    I think you will find not people will agree with your “solid back four” assessment!
    Every team needs an experienced centre half as cloughy would vouch for. Colo is not that IMO. How many of you lads played footy as a youngun and had an old head giving you guidance and experience. They see the big picture during the game and can impact on it not just in their performance but in organisation.

  • 122 fray bentos // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:34 PM

    @catchy

    “does it mean that a guy who wins an award is aloud to have a poor season the next one”

    yeah why not? Everybody in every profession the world over will make mistakes, go through bad patches, make bad decisions, make bad plans from time to time, i know i have, you not?

  • 123 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:34 PM

    i will have no satisfaction watching us go down,, its killling me now watching this train wreck happen, listening to some of you saying
    we should play 433, he could play obertan in 3 positions
    maybe he should have bougth him,, when he should be getting his head down and foooking practicing pass the ffffffing ball,, is it that hard,, we are 12 matches in, the football last season was shit, and it only got worse with the same group of players

    great guy him lets all buy him adrink

  • 124 archaeomag // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    TDS
    Never rated Sparky – scored some nice goals – but not a good manager.
    Perhaps we should play Ranger in a pirates hat with an eye patch

  • 125 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:37 PM

    Jesper…No, that wasn’t aimed at you alone. Not really aimed at anyone, just throwing some sh*t to the wall and seeing if anything stuck :)

    Hotdog…I’ve been practicing. It was hard to start using words with more than 4 letters but I got there. Paragraphs were easy once I got the concept!

    Ian….I think you may being giving me more credit than deserved. There are certainly times when I can be arrogant and sadly pompous – but life goes on – Take it easy.

  • 126 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:38 PM

    fray bentos

    he won that for finishing 5th, not because of the football he played, the football he plays has got him into this trouble now

    but we can give that because he is alan pardew and other managers no better

    mark hughs will be sacked very soon,, we are gona hear the same things from sir alex, he didnt get time to put it right, this is football, all managers will come out and back mark hughs

    you ask the QPR fans what they think,, should they sit there and think , hey SIR A thinks he is a good manager, we should keep him

  • 127 fray bentos // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:38 PM

    @Catchy

    The guy got us 5th and in europe ffs, yes lets all buy him a drink and give hime some time and patience to turn things round

  • 128 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Catchy, no idea where he is like I say to manage in the Pl you have to be have to be at the top of a very high skill pyramid and not many stay there for too long. Success in one season is no garuntee of success the next, football is cyclical for every team on the up there is one on the way down. Does George Burley getting relegated after the award prove he was a bad manager? Presumably he was at Ipswich a small club by PL terms and they did not have the resources to keep up. Is that comparable to Newcastle? I doubt it.

  • 129 hotdog // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Ibiza – paragraphs more like bloody essays 😉

  • 130 Quasi.modo // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    Catchy

    You have a personal vendetta against Pardew that clouds your judgement. You give him no credit when we’re winning and solely blame him when we’re losing. How can you be reasoned with in this conversation?

  • 131 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    Archaeomag
    Eye patch you say? I like your thinking there maybe xisco can sit on his shoulder and pretend to be his parrot?

    Ibiza
    Im suprised you have the front to come back on here after me and wizard discovered the shocking truth that your really a squirel

  • 132 Rotonda heights // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    I think in his heart of hearts pardew would get carroll back and not have to worry about buying in some competent ”footballing defenders” who could bring the ball out as he could just tell simmo, willo and saylor to just carry on hoofing.

    We are a worse watch than stoke now and that is a really damning indictment. If long ball 442 hoofball carries on, then it’s good bye benny cabs etc and back to our version of Harewood and Mullins, graft and no flair.

    Rodgers will and deserves to get things right. He and any one of Laudrup, Clarke, Jol and Martinez play the right way with far less resources than us. Pulis, Allardyce and pardew are anti football.

  • 133 archaeomag // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    Inman makes it 2-1 to NUFC

  • 134 fray bentos // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    @catchy

    how do you think he got us 5th? it was by playing football i believe, i don’t think it was scrabble

    As for Hughes, difference being is that they are bottom and they nearly got relegated last season, there is a big difference. Plus he has a dickhead owner, even worse than ours

  • 135 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:43 PM

    tequilamag

    but where is he now,, and if i remember rightly, they played great football

    i hope aprdew is sacked very soon, and id even buy his ticket back home, first class if he needs it to be

    his shit take on football is not worth paying money to see,, and im lucky im over here, or i would be feeling robbed

  • 136 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:43 PM

    Hotdog…Well, I didn’t get to put out my normal word quota today, so had to find a way to make up for it. Otherwise I get grief from Ed.

    TADS….What was that about Hughes for manager? Great shout, keep up the good work 😉

  • 137 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:44 PM

    Catchy I already answered that question but if you want me to elaborate I could not give a monkeys where he is now.

  • 138 BelfastMagpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    The Qpr owner is a clown like.

    He was always kissing Neil Warnocks ass in the press,then they sacked him.

    Exactly the same with Sparky lol

    I think who ever replaces Hughes,will struggle to do any better.

    Way to much money grabbers in that squad.

  • 139 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    tads….Wizard has known that for a while, it seems you’re just late to the party…as usual. Plus, I’m only part squirrel.

  • 140 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:47 PM

    Rotonda
    Clarke? Love the lad but have you seen birmingham play this season there shocking
    Jol is an okay manager but pissed off and sold half there squad and is the only reason he could bring in the players he could
    Martinez is in a permenant relegation battle
    Laudrup half a season in the prem and he’s a top manager? AVB springs to mind
    Rodgers wont get it right the squads playing okay but he’s still managed to make a twat out of himself on the transfer front and despite all there talk of having to not spend he still spunked a small fortune

  • 141 Rotonda heights // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:47 PM

    Fray @ 121

    No, he may be allowed to though.

  • 142 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:47 PM

    Stoke to win tonight btw.

    How do I know? 4-5-1 beats 4-4-2 every time. I do wish you people would read what was written on here, you’d learn quite a lot.

  • 143 fray bentos // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:48 PM

    @Rotonda

    I would say he definatley will be allowed to, a very sensible decsion

  • 144 Rotonda heights // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:48 PM

    TADS

    No the guy who’s got WBA 5th

  • 145 colwell // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:49 PM

    Harry Rednapp will no doubt take over at QPR give the guy money and he’ll get QPR into Europe.

    Glad Ranger scored tonight, we need a striker with pace and in our predicament any one with a pair of boots.

  • 146 Rotonda heights // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:49 PM

    Fray

    the spelling police are definitely out tonight !!

  • 147 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:49 PM

    Ibiza
    Damn it not again thought id broken some huge wildlife news :(
    Oh well back to my letter to ashley straight swap pards for hughes please

  • 148 BelfastMagpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    Think he means steve clarke?

    Lee Clark plays awful football too.

    He’ll be the next manager out of a job.
    Doing awful with birmingham.

  • 149 fray bentos // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    @Rotonda

    Footballer managers never allowed to make mistakes or bad patches then?

    Guessing you would sack Moyes at the start of every season then

  • 150 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    :) So we’re judging new managers to the league as better for getting their teams to 5th etc? Hmmm….Oh yeah sorry, they’re playing more attractive football, forgot why we were so angry at Pardew again.

    Get out you silly glasses, suit wearing, tactic changing, casino buddying puppet!

  • 151 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    Quasi.modo

    firstly im black and white though and through,
    2nd i love to watch football, i love to play football

    i am very against managers like pardew, sam aladice ,pulis, this is not football, its a recipie to to flirt with the relegation zone rather than trying to get to the next step on the ladder,,

    i hear you saying cabaye is shit this year, and i hear you say cabaye should be playing higher up the pitch, yet you wont say pardeew ,, what you doing, why are we lumping the ball over our midfield,

    yes i do not like pardew, for more reasons than just the football he dosnt play, i dont like his attitude towards us as fans, every interview after the game is an insult towards us, as he thinks we dont know anything, and should just believe what he says,, he makes as much sense as AVB,, and he is getting slatted for it,, but we all love pardew

  • 152 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:51 PM

    Belfast
    In that case same answer as laudrup half a season ffs! Like last season wasnt it pards for england? Now pards for the sack

  • 153 check the toastie // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:51 PM

    Pulis and Allardyce, notorious for long ball football, now play 4231, both are doing it tonight, thus we cant even control a game against these teams, we are in big trouble mark my words, we are now getting our just desssrts after in my eyes gaining far too many points based on moments of individual brilliance, we hace gained points desite Pardew not because of him.

    The man is a charlatan.

    Pardewasaurus is still stuck in the jurassic period and rooted in his pathetically dated 442 with no movement tactics, actually i believe he has no tactics, tactically bereft, he is still a tactical virgin, what about him still letting Krul boot the ball constantly upfront, and free kicks onto Willo’s head. its a joke, the players must think so. Why are our full backs the only ones in the league who turn their back on our keeper when he has the ball in his hands, shit, shit, shit.

    Sack him i say, never seen any progress in football performance since his 1st game in charge.
    Liverpool at home, Big Andy, Kev amd Jose, think old Enrique might be having a little giggle to himself currently. It is sad but i have seen it coming, think we have missed Best as he suited Pardews long ball game.

    I have took pelters for saying our performances were shit last year, people were excited about having 20% possession at Swansea, only luck and bits of brilliance get you through games with that amount of ball.

    This year is a true reflection of the managers ability.

  • 154 Quasi.modo // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:51 PM

    Rotonda

    The guy who has WBA 5th after 12 games you mean…fair enough let’s claim that guys with less than 6 months managerial experience are better than our own manager.

    Simply ludicrous but hey who am I to disagree with your sound logic

  • 155 fray bentos // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:52 PM

    @rotonda

    Couldn’t give a toss mate

    Always nice to fall back onto that one if you can’t win an argument with logic

  • 156 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:53 PM

    toonarmydownsouth

    it dont matter who we put in front of you as a manager, you will find fault

    but me, id go for ole gunner solksjær,,

    he took a team, that had not won the league in 101 years and won it 2 years in a row, that must prove he has something

  • 157 Rotonda heights // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:53 PM

    TADS

    I’m talking about good to watch. These are all mangers apart from Rodgers who don’t really have any money to play with yet are very pleasing on the eye.

    Think I would prefer being 13th playing some good stuff than 13th and being uglier to watch than Stoke and getting out footballed at home by Allardyce of all people. I could be wrong but I thought this was an entertainment business.

  • 158 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:53 PM

    tads…Yes, quickly, get writing. Let me know if you need an extra paragraph or two.

  • 159 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:55 PM

    pardew makes shit players like best perch look good,, but he makes cabaye look shit

  • 160 fray bentos // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:56 PM

    @Rotonda

    Entertainment business?!

    Nah thats WWE, this is a sport last time i heard

  • 161 Quasi.modo // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:56 PM

    Catchy

    That is all your own opinions on the man, nothing that is concrete and indisputable. You feel insulted by his post match interviews, some may also share that sentiment with you but personally I don’t, so where does that leave me and the many others who don’t feel insulted with his interviews?

    It’s a matter of opinion.

    With regards Cabaye, he has not been performing this season, even when he does play further up the pitch. His passing has been sub standard in most of the games he has played in, so how is that Pardew’s fault? You cannot blame a manager if a player is in a slump, it is up to the player himself to do the simple things right.

    Pardew has the responsibility to set the team up, ask them to play a certain way and try and correct it if it doesn’t work, it is then up to the players to put that plan into action. Pardew is not free from blame, he has to answer for certain poor tactics and questionable substitutions but like any man he isn’t perfect and has to be allowed some room for manoeuvre to learn from his mistakes.

  • 162 colwell // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:56 PM

    Catchy

    And Tevez and Mascherano

  • 163 Quasi.modo // Nov 19, 2012 at 7:59 PM

    Rotonda

    You are wrong. It is a results business and a results business only. Performances without results is like pissing into the wind.

    I’d much rather pathetic football and be top of the league than be bottom of the table but being entertained.

  • 164 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:00 PM

    Catchy
    Thats because all managers have faults buddy 😉
    Olé would be a good choice in a couple of years in a more competitive league maybe?

    Rotonda
    Yeah but your talking about managers who have been in the league for 6 months pards had us playing good footy last season
    Jol managed to piss off half the squad just like when he was at spuds he diesnt last in a job more than a season!
    Wigan have taken 5 seasons to start playing decent football yet your unwilling to give your own clubs 5 year plan even half that seems odd

  • 165 Rotonda heights // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:00 PM

    fray

    What’s you being a poor speller got to do with an argument. I didn’t realise there was one. I think you’re confusing me with someone who gives a rats what you say.

  • 166 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:01 PM

    Catchy….There is fault with every manager. Not one is perfect. The resistance you’re getting from most people, is not that we think Pardew is the greatest manager of all time or even this one, but he’s a decent enough manager and that the club needs stability. You would rather have more upheaval in the hope that a manager, who has had approximately two years experience in an inferior league can do the same in the PL. Not taking anything away from Ole, he’s done really well and I hope he continues to, but there is nothing to suggest he’s ready for the PL yet.

    As for other managers with what we would deem inferior teams normally and them playing better football. It is easier for them to let the shackles off a bit more. The job doesn’t have the same pressure as at Newcastle, it simply doesn’t, whether that’s pressure from the board or fans. I would like to see “better football” sooner, that’s a given. But we’re going around in circles here, as it is your belief he cannot and maybe even as far as doesn’t want to implement changes to our style. Then he really is clueless assembling a squad with more technical players than we had before. I have a fake vision, give me players to complete this vision, then I’ll revert back to the old teams way of playing. That is clueless, but not what I think is happening.

  • 167 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:01 PM

    Quasi.modo

    i have an idea,, if cabaye is playing that shit, why is he in the team, why is cisse in the team, why is jonas in the team,

    surley a lesser quality player that can pass would be a better option??

    pardew has no balls, no imagination, and only want to defend

    and if your happy with what he says,,good for you,, but i bet thousansds out sit and cring when he say ,, we missed cisse today, he is a big player for us,, have a laugh

  • 168 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:02 PM

    Catchy ,
    Be careful what you wish for as im sure the only way Pards will go is if we’re in serious danger of relegation and as for a new manager can you think of any that would work under Mashley and more to the point have to deal with Dastardly on a day to day basis.

  • 169 Transfer Sage // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:02 PM

    Quasi

    I understand for pardew it is results. He shouldn’t care how it comes. Same for the players, if they win a scrappy 1-0 every week and get champions league they will be laughing.

    However as a fan I also like to be entertained. I pay a lot of money to watch my team in tickets and tv subscriptions so for me entertainment is important.

    But ultimately the teams at the top of most European leagues aren’t there on scrappy, had working performances. They are usually there through flair and ability. Not all but most.

  • 170 hotdog // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:02 PM

    I still think mourinho is coming for the start of next season. This 8 year contract for ap is a smoke screen 😉

  • 171 Rotonda heights // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:03 PM

    TADS

    You kind of defeated your own argument there by saying he played good football last season. So even more damning that he’s kicked that in to the long grass to go back to what he’s happy with now. Progress, it isn’t.

  • 172 fray bentos // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:03 PM

    @Rotonda

    Why bring it up then? just contradicted yourself there, well done

  • 173 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    toonarmydownsouth

    you say that about every one , fergy,, arr he willl be good in afew years

    obertan,, he will be good in a few years time,, he wont 😉

    the guy plays good football, so who knows what he can do with better players???

    shearer rooney owen started at 17,, you would held them back,, maybe in a few years time son,, grow a tash first and il think about it

  • 174 check the toastie // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    Cabaye is class every time he pulls a french top on then he is anonynous for us at times, this is because of the lack of pass and move football we play and that is down to the manager, Cabaye is a truly superb player, and Pardew has failed him with his long ball shit to Shola.

    If you are not wound up by some of Pardew’s condescending patter after games you are either a simpleton or buddist monk, he comes up with some real beauties and treats what i would say are some of the most honest passionate and supportive fans in the country with contempt for me.

    The guy is a liar. Simple as that.

  • 175 colwell // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    Pardew should not be sacked ATM, however things have to change quick.

    How long can we go on this way before it is too late. If some how we were dragged into a relegation battle surely he should go then.

    MA is 90% to blame for being a tight tw#t but Pards never seems to take any responsibility when we play very poor and lose etc. This is the most worrying thing for me he comes out with excuse after excuse instead of admitting its his fault.

  • 176 OhSholaAmeobi // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    Team to face Southampton:

    Krul
    Gutierrez..Willo..Saylor..Santon
    Anita..iote
    Ben Arfa..Marveaux..Ba
    Cisse

    Performances have been shocking, injuries haven’t helped, but we need to get behind the team. I’m at every home game and it’s dead unless we have an attack or score, or go behind. Need to be behind them from the off.

  • 177 Rotonda heights // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    TADS

    I’m sure Jol got Spurs 5th, 2 years running and only left when they started flogging people off.

  • 178 nick_9 // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    solano @ 44 – My thoughts exactly. Any ambitious board would have seen the last window as an opportunity to crack on and have a real go of it. We signed one first team player purely because he was versatile.

    LGFUAD21 – Money doesn’t solve everything but in football it certainly goes a long way. hence why many teams have bought the league whether it be man city style or man united style spending 30-50 million every other season. I agree with your argument that the midfield is the problem but i dont think its the sole problem. I think we have flaws in every area personally. Granted the midfield are static and dont seem to want the ball, wingers arent really wingers and ben arfa is the only real creative force we have who has to backtrack and waste energy defending. Im pretty sure Sir Alex wasnt happy with Rooney for wasting energy dropping deep trying to regain the ball a good year ago.

    Our first team defense is good but i would prefer a more rounded fullback for simpson and our cover players are pretty substandard. If you was at the game at the weekend surely you can see how mike williamson is the least composed player we have, he was really struggling in that game. For you to say douglas and debuchy would not have made a difference is very questionable for me. Even our first team back four is susceptible to balls over the top and lacks pace. The midfield is unbalanced and doesn’t move off the ball. Ba and Cisse are both lethal but more often than not we are firing balls in at head height when it rarely works. Cisse needs the ball at his feet so service from the midfield is a big issue. I still feel that the ‘Partnership’ could be better if they both looked for each other. Communication is an issue as well, seen on three occasions in the past two home games good chance yet both strikers seem to run into each other.

    Pardew needs to cut the rubbish about chelsea losing torres as the same as us losing cisse. He scored one all season so why would you expect him to score at home against swansea? Silly excuses and his persistence with those silly set pieces is what really riles me. I’ll stand by him though but even with who we have available we should be playing better, unless i am overhyping the players we have….

  • 179 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    Sorry, I know this is a sore topic right now, but anyone care to read the SS commentary on the West Ham vs Stoke game?

    Never have I seen the word “long” used so many times to describe four minutes of football….and I’ve been watching Newcastle play this season!

  • 180 Transfer Sage // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:07 PM

    Tads

    Will you pay attention to what I say.

    I have been consistent with the size of our squad in all my statements. Why do people feel the need to make things up just to criticise people.

    It’s moronic comments like that which annoy a lot of regular posters like myself. It’s like arguing with a child. People just somehow read what they want to and not what is written.

  • 181 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:07 PM

    Rotonda
    So every game we played last season was shit and we were lucky?
    Im sure wigan fans are thrilled with every season going down to the last day and other results going there way because at least there entertained and thats what counts just ask there chairman vince Macmahon

  • 182 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:08 PM

    Jail for Ashley

    and thats where we are headed,,

    i dont see it getting better in the next 8 games, and that puts us in a relegation battle,,

    ashley will not spend money if he thinks we could go down again,, he spends to much on us when we are in the championship,
    they said it wouldnt happen last time,, who says it wont happen this time

    its not like willamson said earlier,, we just have to keep ploding away, we are doing the same things as before, the results will come,, they wont , and we dont have good football to get us out of this

  • 183 Quasi.modo // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:08 PM

    Catchy

    The problems with Cabaye and Cisse is not that they cannot pass or cannot score, because they have clearly demonstrated their abilities to do those things respectively.

    Pardew, like any of us, want to see them doing what they are good at but as it turns out, for whatever reason, they are not performing anywhere near their capabilities. Are you questioning Pardew for picking Cabaye or Cisse? He should be picking them because they are class players and probably play excellently at training, it is up to them to display that on the field in a competitive match.

    Cisse is a big player for us, perhaps not as big this season as he has been but that doesn’t mean he isn’t a good player, so obviously any team would miss him, how is that cringe worthy?

    Look past the vendetta that you have against him and consider the fact that we may have to play more long passes because we have less technically abled defenders that we may want, and the fact that our midfield isn’t working hard enough.

    These are issues that Pardew has little influence over, as I firmly believe he is drilling into his midfield players to work hard to be available for the short pass from defence but it just isn’t happening and that is down to the players.

  • 184 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    MA is 100% to blame,, he should not have sacked CH and gave a job to his freind who was unemployed, who isnt good enough,,
    5th place or not,, he is a shit manager

  • 185 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    TS
    I know you have it was a joke agree with most your comments breathe deep 😉

  • 186 Quasi.modo // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:11 PM

    Catchy

    “If you are not wound up by some of Pardew’s condescending patter after games you are either a simpleton or buddist monk…”

    In this phrase you have encapsulated your views. It is either black or white, there can be no middle ground.

    I am not wound up by Pardew’s post match comments, but I am not a Buddhist monk. Should I assume that you are calling me a simpleton then?

  • 187 catchy in norway // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:11 PM

    Quasi.modo

    this should have started last season not now,

    im offff

  • 188 OhSholaAmeobi // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    What’s with the cabaye bashing? I personally don’t think he’s been bad, he’s been deployed too deep and especially without tiote, has been defending a lot of the time. There’s also a massive lack of movement upfront and in general when we’re on the attack, there’s only Ba, Ben Arfa or Santon there in support.

  • 189 Transfer Sage // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    Quasi

    I think 12 games is enough time to give people a run before changing it.

    Cisse has been anonymous either through lack of personal for or lack of good service to him.

    To me that means we either drop him and see if somebody else can do it, or make a change to the midfield to try and get better service to him.

    I think pardew has tried to get him better service by bringing fergie into the side but so far it hasn’t worked.

    I think pardew could do more but he isn’t doing nothing at all

  • 190 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:13 PM

    Okay….so this could potentially be Pardews next post match comments.

    “Well, today was another disappointment. All I will say is we didn’t perform and that is 90% Ashleys fault, shared with that horrible tw@ Llambias and 10% mine for being Sh*t!”

    Love it.

  • 191 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:13 PM

    Catchy
    Nah youve lost me there i said ole needs to manager at i higher level what does that have to do with fergie or obertan?

  • 192 Transfer Sage // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:14 PM

    Tads

    Sorry for that. I had been away a couple hours and came back to that haha.

    I have had enough of people Kia reading thins all day haha

  • 193 check the toastie // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:14 PM

    Ibiza – the point is when we had Andy and Kev playing i didnt mind booting it long, it suited our personel, however to now do it with players that have been sourced with a remit of being technical and clever on the ball its a disgrace.

    Ben Arfa, Anita, cabaye, marveuax, Cisse have been sold out, and will become dissillusioned because of the managers ideas on how to play the game.

    Even Stoke mix set pieces up, as just shown, is Pulis a deeper thinker than Pardew????

  • 194 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:15 PM

    Qua.si.mpleton.modo!

  • 195 Rotonda heights // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:16 PM

    Quasi
    Jesus wept. If you could only read, I said if we were in 13th position playing good or bad, I would prefer to watch good. Of course anyone would take being top without necessarily thrilling anyone.!! Is your 1.Q so low you have to leave the house to change your mind?

  • 196 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:16 PM

    TS
    No worries mate saw you were getting a hard time earlier for no real reason so was trying to lighten the mood like backfired a bit!!

  • 197 Quasi.modo // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:17 PM

    Sage

    I think Pards has reservations about Fergie’s readiness to step up and has wanted to bleed him into the first team more so in the EL but now Guti’s injury has sort of forced his hand.

    Pards could drop Cisse, and probably should drop him based on form.

  • 198 colwell // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:18 PM

    ibizatoon

    Pards would never say that after all its the truth.

    It will be more like after the team found out Cabaye could not play until January they all felt down and he tried his best to get their spirits up.

  • 199 Transfer Sage // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:18 PM

    Not sure if anyone is watching the Monday night football.

    Gary Neville made a good point about qpr which I made about us.

    We don’t press the ball enough, it gives too much time for the opposition to play their game, what we style that may be having more time and space always helps.

    I think what we need mainly is to press more up the pitch and be more attacking.

    I think pardew is worried as we have lost a lot of key players this year. Tiote for parts and colo. two big defensive players.

    We have ended up sitting deep and then inviting pressure, getting even deeper which brings more pressure then leaves the two up top isolated.

    By being so cautious it is making us do more defending when that’s where we are weak. If we can press high and attack more we will have to defend less and ultimately expose our defenders to less pressure.

    Obviously can’t attack too much, can have 10 men forward but one or two more might create the balance

  • 200 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    Check…If we’re talking set pieces then I have no one to defend. Do you remember early in the season, they lined up for a freekick (I believe) and they had been working on some sort of training ground routine. There was some excitement about them. I thought from then on we may see something different, but apparently not.

    Look, I really am not saying Pardew is wonderful. He has made mistakes, is making mistakes and will make more.

    I just personally believe he does want to try something different, but as a team, we’re not there yet. Sure, he could just say “this is what we’re doing now, keep learning, don’t deviate, doesn’t matter so much if we lose”, but come on now, that would be short lived and we all know it would. I may be proved foolish for believing down the line, but as a believer, it is way too early to be thinking about getting rid oh him. But that is me. Shouldn’t we concentrate on getting rid of Simpson first? I miss the days when it was all his fault and his alone….

  • 201 nick_9 // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    Could do with a draw in this game, as it stands stoke have gone above us.

    Anyone seen that McClean has received death threats regarding his decision not to wear a poppy.

  • 202 Quasi.modo // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:20 PM

    Rotonda

    I know what you said, I extrapolated upon it to highlight the deficiency in the argument that results matter less than performances. I could take your response as idiotic and make you feel stupid for what is probably a genuine mistake on your part, so I am going to refrain from insulting you because….

    That aint cool :)

  • 203 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:21 PM

    Ibiza…I just really didn’t know what to reply to it that’s all!

    …opinions fly around in here and are directed in all directions. (I’ll just let it go for now…)

    On another note (it might have been reported) Ranger has scored for our U21 side tonight against ‘the unwashed’!

  • 204 Transfer Sage // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    Tads

    Well it worked…got their eventually haha

    Quasi

    Yeh I feel the same. I think pards is a bit cautious in general with the kids getting into the team. Sometimes you just have to throw them in and see how they do.

    I would live Campbell to get a go.

    I don’t think one bad game would really hurt him in his development. If he had a pro longed spell in the side playing bad that could hurt but they odd game here and there should really help motivate him to work even harder.

  • 205 nick_9 // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    Transfer Sage Last season we pressed the ball very well earlier in the season and barely gave the opposition time to think, it worked well.

  • 206 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:24 PM

    colwell..Sorry, I was only playing. Never in a million years, even if I believed it to be the truth, do I think there would be good reason to come out and say that. Ever.

    The occasional “Hands up, we weren’t ready, were outclassed today. We’ll be back on that training field and will put things right” wouldn’t go amiss though, just to stop it feeling like people were being fed bite size pieces of bull sh*t. But let’s remember, all managers will tell porkies to the media and fans, as generally, the masses are a bunch of drama queens who love a bit of excitement, the more negative and depressing the better, sad fact of life.

  • 207 Transfer Sage // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:24 PM

    Nick

    We certainly did press and in those games it made a real difference.

    All it takes is a spell of pressing for a minute and you can really lift the crowd.

  • 208 Quasi.modo // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:24 PM

    Sage

    I agree that Campbell should be given a chance but I think he is out for 2 months so we really really are stretched with regards options up front which does mean that Cisse is going to be used whether he is in form or not.

  • 209 check the toastie // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:25 PM

    Pardews tactics and team selection were baffling last year before being forced into a more expressive team due to injuries, this years performances and results are no surprise to me.

    To think that he is now pinning his hopes on Jonas who has contributed nothing but willing for 18 months is deluded and the sign he has truly lost the plot.

    Needs to get the fans onside by showing some ambition in his selection. Pick players in th eback 4 who can actually pass into our midfieders feet, it always helps when your players can actually pass to each other.

    Krul
    Santon Tavernier Saylor Fergy
    Anita Tiote
    Marveuax Ben10 Sammy
    Ba/Cisse

    Martinez or Rodgers would have this team having 60percent possession in every game, pass and move you dinosaur.

  • 210 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    Jesper…It seems that no one else did either :) Oh well, as I said, see if anything sticks – in this case, no, nothing stuck.

    Rotonda…Not sure if we’re talking anymore or not, but anyway, find me a person who wouldn’t rather see entertaining football if the finishing position was the same, it doesn’t really prove anything. Perhaps a better way of gauging opinion would be, what would you prefer good football, but finishing 17th or ugly football and getting top 10. Or perhaps I’ll just shut up….has to happen some time, right?

  • 211 hotdog // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    I don’t think we have the pace at the back to play a pressing game. Don’t understand the drop cisse comments. He is our £8 million striker that scored boat loads last year. You play him through his rough patch it’s the only way!

  • 212 colwell // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    Ibizatoon

    I know you were mate, but agree on the rest of your post.

  • 213 Quasi.modo // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    Catchy

    Tav and Fergy in the back 4? They would get eaten alive man, physically they aren’t up to it at the minute, we need to let them develop before we pin our entire hopes of playing better football on them, just my thoughts.

  • 214 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:31 PM

    Colwell…..I see. My bad :)

  • 215 colwell // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    Why the hell did we not go after Diame? he was well in or price range and is so talented with the ball?

  • 216 check the toastie // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    Ibiza – actually think Simpson hasnt done that bad this year, yep he hits hopeless percentage balls, and never does anything of any note on an attacking front, but he hasnt hod as much as last year, he is shit though and should be moved on for sure, however currently i find the Jonas selection the most frustrating.

  • 217 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:33 PM

    Ibiza…It was well put and an insightful ‘drivel’ 😉 lol

    …no, I though you were spot on about most of it and I agree with you in spirit (I might see some of it slightly different), but since you addressed it to both me and MacToon I wasn’t really sure what you were aiming at 😉

    I just see both side of the argument that’s all!

  • 218 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:34 PM

    As you all know I am an Ash basher and still have time for Pards as I think he will turn it around,but if things go wrong at Soton I really don’t want to hear it was the long journey down to the South coast when its just an hours flight.

  • 219 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    Colwell you say well in the price range but remember free transfers come with hefty agents fee’s 😉

  • 220 nick_9 // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:36 PM

    colwell diame was out of contract last summer if i remember rightly. We could have probably signed Diame and Debuchy for the price of Anita, Football manager stuff this is. Diame ran the show against us

  • 221 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:37 PM

    JFA
    How can you expect anyone to be up fir a match after an hous flight?

  • 222 nick_9 // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:37 PM

    On the subject of free transfers i am glad we didnt sign hoilett

  • 223 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:39 PM

    I don’t watch a lot of foreign football but the way this old guy raved about Anita on talksport makes me think we have a really good player on our hands.

  • 224 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    JFA a lot of people seem to have written off Anita as a bad buy and although he was a bit underwhelming first few games he played. I think he is starting to get to grips with the PL and looks a lot better.

  • 225 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    Nick9/colwell
    Have to agree though diame was a stand out player for wigan think we really missed out there

    JFA
    Seen anita a few times for ajax and was genuinly made up when we signed him, it is taking him a whike to settle but i believe he will come good and lets be honest with the biys form in CM especially tiote n cabs who havent hit top gear i think anyone would struggle to come in and find there a game

  • 226 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    And just a thought on Jonas, we bought Gary Speed as a winger when he was 29 but he looked very average in that position, when he moved to CM he played some of the best football of his career. Perhaps Jonas is in a similar position in his career. Lots of people have written him off but he clearly has the attributes to make it as CM player. Very difficult to take posession off as shown by the number of times he is fouled and rarely makes a bad short pass.

  • 227 nick_9 // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:48 PM

    I had not seen Anita play before he signed for us so i can onnly judge him on how he performs for us, granted he needs time to settle and we did sign him for a high fee by our standards so he must have something about him. I just struggle to see where he fits in with Cabaye and Tiote if we are to play 442. If we played a 451 or a 443 i think he could slot in. It would be interesting to see a midfield five of

    Anita Tiote Cabaye Marveaux
    Ben arfa

  • 228 mattyNUFC // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:49 PM

    sounds like he’s padding for the fall

    way to instill the confidence, alan

  • 229 hotdog // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:50 PM

    Tequila – really 29?

  • 230 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:51 PM

    Hotdog, pretty sure but correct me if I am wrong

  • 231 mattyNUFC // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    tequilamag

    jonas has played ACM and DCM this season to absolutely no avail. LB or bench in my mind

  • 232 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    Hotdog just checked he was born in 69 and joined us in 98 so yeah he was 29.

  • 233 beddersmag // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:54 PM

    Check what i think your missing is that you need defenders too. Your team is dynamic and attacking but would get thrashed more often than not imo. Fergie and tav haz been mentioned but a midfield with anita, marv, sammy and ben10 also lacks bite. What do jonas and simpson have in common? They were crucial members of a well drilled unit that won games by being solid 95% of the time. We dont have the quality of barca or chelsea so need to do the basics first and foremost. Its not tactics that has cost us this year- its injuries, big players out of form and crucially our luck has turned.

  • 234 Transfer Sage // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    Nick and JFA

    From what I have seen of Anita in Holland I am impressed but you can make anyone look good with highlights really. I haven’t see enough to form my own opinion yet.

    What I will say though is not only has he changed teams and leagues, he has gone from a dominant team in his league to a to 6-8 side so now he wont be in a side dominating 9 our of 10 games.

  • 235 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    Matty have o issue with Jonas playing FB either, don`t think he has played much in CM other than the WBA game when he was crocked early on, majority of time this season has still been on the wing. It`s either that or all the people who have been slagging off his ability to cross this season have had him in the wrong position.

  • 236 hotdog // Nov 19, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    Tequila. You are indeed correct never realised that must have been his boyish looks. Still can’t believe he took his own life, I shed a tear that morning bloody horrific :-(

  • 237 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:00 PM

    Matty and now I think about it when we went to 433 last season Jonas played in CM and we did not do too badly at that point.

  • 238 Transfer Sage // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    the team I want to see in europe thursday night, providing these guys are fit.

    Krul

    Tav——–Saylor————Colo——Santon

    ————tiote—————anita—————-

    —marvoux——–ben arfa——————-abeid

    ———————cisse——————————-

    give abeid a chance in europe. I know he played left wing a bit in France.

    The three behind cisse can all play across left to right in an attacking sense.

    Maritimo won’t prove a huge threat and anita and tiote can sit and pass from deep, getting forward when the time is right.

    If those 3 cannot create a chance for cisse nobody will now cabaye is out.

  • 239 tequilamag // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    Hotdog, very sad thing to happen. Seems a terrific waste.

  • 240 Super Magpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:09 PM

    Fray bentos @116

    Nope, I stand by the decision that Pardew’s half time changes were wrong. I know we played well for the 10 minutes after but we still lacked the final ball and didn’t score which is becoming more of a worrying problem too. After they missed a couple of chances they then scored. Our heads dropped and we returned to our lacklustre selves of late.

    That’s why it’s important for us take the lead in games because once we go behind, it’s near impossible for us to come back. We dont believe in ourselves enough to comeback.Which is also why we need to start games quicker because we haven’t in most games this season.

  • 241 hotdog // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:11 PM

    I’m off lads. Varied debate as always but I think we all need to get behind ap and the team through this tough patch because if it continues we are only heading in one direction!

  • 242 Dannyo // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:27 PM

    Poor results or not, this is the first time we’ve been stuck in a real rut with Pardew.
    And he’s been with us for near 2 years now.
    I have faith things will turn for the better, whatever the reasons for the current results.

    My only real concern is that i don’t know when, and that a poor league finish could hurt us if we don’t do anything with the EL or FA Cup. If we take too long to get outta this, we can kiss top 7 goodbye.
    Injuries, depth and whatever else, this has to turn soon.

    This is a shadow of ourselfes, several players has been a shadow of themselfes, the turning point is coming, the only question is when.
    Arsenal managed to pull out last season, we’ll manage now.

  • 243 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:36 PM

    I just got back from the u21 game vs Sunderland. Good game, not the most captivating but had a good laugh with the crowd.
    Points on the players, abeid looked decent. Played as a kind of deeper lying playmaker. Confident on the ball, but still making some mistakes. Not ready for first team yet IMO. But given time to improve, can be a real star.
    Inman looks decent aswell, as does one of the wingers, can’t remember his name. Might have been that sakta lad or something.
    Curtis good looked great at cb, handled the 8 million pound wonder player (whickam, and I’m using extreme sarcasm :) ) a real ball playing defender. One to watch for the future.
    And Nile ranger looked decent upfront. Made good runs and scored a good goal.

    The game was spoiled however, by the Sunderland fans, and the stewards.
    The stewards were kicking people out for everything, from standing up to laughing. A female steward, kicked out an entire row, of about 30 people, because some fans were singing “get yer tits out”.
    Power crazy.

    And because of about half the crowd getting kicked out, there was a load of trouble outside.
    When I was walking to the car, I turned round, and like some kind of zombie apocalypse movie, a horde of about 100 mackems running towards the metro station to assault Geordies.
    I would guess the average age of this horde was about 14.

    Hundreds of mackem kids trying to gang up and assault Geordie supported. There were police and dog units everywhere on the main road.
    Really dissapointing and easily avoidable by not kicking everyone out during the match.
    Poor show by the Sunderland lot, but what can you expect.

    On a whole though and enjoyable evening, shame about the result as we looked comfortably the better team.

    Oh yeah we drew 2-2. They equalised in the last minute but I didn’t see as I left to avoid trouble. Their supporters didnt see because they were outside causing trouble.

  • 244 darrenfletcher88 // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:39 PM

    Anyone after a golf hybrid in here ???

  • 245 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:41 PM

    Conaldo ,
    Fairplay to you,do you think Abeid should get a start against Bordeaux if we win on Thursday night.

  • 246 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:43 PM

    Oi Fletcher,
    Shut it.

  • 247 MagpiesFlyHigh // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:43 PM

    Things may get worse before they get better just about describes this thread.

    All you guys say is “I’ll be gutted when we go down” but you won’t ….you’ll be smug…self satisfied and post endless “I told you so” comments.

    Working on the principle of you can’t argue with a sick mind, I’m not going to engage any of the one track haters. Yes Catchy, that includes you… your judgement is impaired by hatred.

    Breno95

    If you read my comment you’ll see that I say we are caught between two styles.
    Anyone getting mixed messages is going to be confused. Professional footballers are not usually noted for their brainpower, anyway, however long they’ve been playing for… that is why they have a manager who decides the tactics, style of play and formation.

  • 248 stuart no9 // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:43 PM

    dannyo @241 ” its the first time we have been in a rut and hes been here 2 years now” now – if you had said ” hes been here 5, 6 , years ” i would have sai, – fair point, however ,, “2 ” in effect means his ” 2nd season ” and were in a rut now. so the reading lads, and the west ham, southampton lads were correct, when they said ” the first year was ok , the 2nd got worse. does anyone see a picture forming here?

  • 249 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:47 PM

    Wizard…that winger might be either Moyo or Maddison!

    …does any of those names ring a bell? Satka was an unused sub and a defender I think :)

  • 250 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:48 PM

    MFH ,
    I don’t think that’s really fair I think even the most one tracked minded fans (myself included where Mashley is concerned) would want to see us go down just to say I told you so.

  • 251 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:48 PM

    Jail –
    Yeah seems fair. He could play on Thursday as far as I am concerned. With more experienced players around him he will find it easier, but there were still basic mistakes he was making. Like misplaced passing etc, holding the ball too long. Looks a quality player, just not quite ready yet in my opinion. For PL anyway.

  • 252 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:50 PM

    Jesper – cant remember to be honest. I haven’t seen the reserves too much, normally just on bad streams. Today was the First time I went out to see them live.

    I think he might have been number 11? Maybes.

  • 253 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:51 PM

    Conaldo ,
    God forbid what Kets will say if he starts and plays well.=-O

  • 254 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:52 PM

    He may not have even been a winger. I can’t remember anything anymore…. :)

  • 255 Jail for Ashley // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:58 PM

    Conaldo
    Maybe its unfair to make any comparisons to other young players who have shone at an early age,that Sterling to make a few but do you think we have any genuine young stars on our books.

  • 256 BelfastMagpie // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:58 PM

    Real wizards dont drive home from games.

    They dissapear in a puff of smoke.. :-)

  • 257 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 9:58 PM

    Wizard…neither do I!

    …Moyo use to be a LW, but lately he has played LB. A black kid (can you say that or is that inappropriate?)

    Maddison got subed by Miele in the second half. There was also a kid called Riley playing, but I think he might be a defender.

    What about Conor Newton – ring any bell?

  • 258 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 10:00 PM

    Wizard…stop drinking those magic potions 😉 lol

  • 259 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 19, 2012 at 10:03 PM

    Belfast – I can’t just magic myself home because then people will know I’m a wizard…
    That’s like rule 1!

    Jesper – aye it was a black guy. May not have been a winger, just got forward in an advance position and looked really comfortable on the ball. I was really impressed.
    Disclaimer- that isn’t racist. Please don’t have me arrested. Pretty please. I have wizard stuff to do.

  • 260 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 19, 2012 at 10:07 PM

    Wizard…good wizard stuff their mate :)

    …Abeid might have a part to play for us now that Cabs is out injured :(

  • 261 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 19, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    Anyway, I must leave. Potions to brew, people to turn into goats.

    Untill tommorow.

  • 262 APBWA // Nov 19, 2012 at 11:01 PM

    I am confident that if Papiss got the chances demba had on saturday, he would have scored at least 2. The header was easy from hatem’s ball, the tap in from sammy’s shot… IMO Ba is overrated and Cisse is underrated… Cisse is a better finisher than Ba, should play in a more dominant role in the team

  • 263 nick_9 // Nov 19, 2012 at 11:11 PM

    I find that unfair to say Ba is overrated when he notched 16 league goals in just over half a season and already has 8 in the league so far. On amount of goals scored he is up there with the best in the league, that’s not my opinion but statistically. Imagine if we had a balanced team that created plenty, both Ba and cisse would fill their boots.

  • 264 APBWA // Nov 19, 2012 at 11:14 PM

    He takes many more chances to score than Cisse… He is a good target man, mobile, however i would say he is no more than a newcastle/everton standard player. Cisse i think would score many goals more in a team that supplied him with chances… He Scores When He Wants!

  • 265 APBWA // Nov 19, 2012 at 11:17 PM

    I am also of the opinion that a variant of 4-5-1 should be played- not because cisse and ba cannot play together, but that not enough chances are created to justify playing 2 strikers so one is made to look terrible (cisse)

  • 266 beddersmag // Nov 19, 2012 at 11:53 PM

    Im finding it hard to judge cisse. He was never going to keep up last seasons form but when things are going against them BA seems to plug away while cisse doesnt seem to have as much of an all round game, just goals. He is physically weaker than Ba with less agression and fight too. People turn a blind eye to him blatantly shirking challenges on big wages when any fan would glady put their body on the line for nothing. Thats just unforgiveable for me. Headings not his game but at least try your 6 foot man. On balance id take Ba. And id have him playing off Shola




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