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Can This Midfielder Step Up To The Plate For Newcastle?

10:46 am, Tuesday, November 20th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 203 Comments

With all the doom and gloom being reported this week, Alan Pardew has pointed to several positive things that came out of the 2-1 defeat against Swansea City on Sunday afternoon at St. James’ Park, although not much has been said about anything positive this week,  after our third defeat in the last four Premier League games at home.

Alan Pardew – still looking for the positives

Alan Pardew seems as upbeat as ever, and he had this to say today in the local press:

“There were also some positives from the Swansea game.” “Hatem Ben Arfa may not have scored or created the goal but he did threaten a lot.” “You have to say that he had some lovely moments in the game.”

“Cheick looked like his old self. I thought Vurnon did well too.” “There were positives – and we have to take that into the next game.”

Cheick Tiote did look good on Sunday, and he even managed to escape his usual yellow card in the game, which was good to see.

And Vurnon Anita is slowly but surely looking like the player we thought we had brought in last summer, as he is finally getting to grips with the physical nature of the England game, and he certainly can pass the ball, and seems to read the game well too.

And Vurnon will likely get an extended run in the side now that Yohan Cabaye is out injured with a groin injury, and since Yohan could be out for two months, a lot will depend on how well the Dutch International can step up to the plate at Newcastle during that time.

Vurnon Anita – in action at Liverpool

If Vurnon can start playing well and players like Ben Arfa, Demba Ba and Papiss Cisse can start rifling the goals in, we may not do too badly through the 11 games we have to play in the next 43 days.

We start on Thursday night against Maritimo,  and then have a vital game at Southampton on Sunday afternoon.

Two wins in those games would be fantastic, and would help sweep away the doom and gloom on Tyneside – well for a while in any case. 😀

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203 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Jail for Ashley // Nov 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM

    Having biscuits and crisps sprinkled all over his new bed sheets is too good for Ashley.

  • 2 toon1707 // Nov 20, 2012 at 10:50 AM

    I am confident we will win on thursday but worried about sunday we just seem lost in league games but it has to change eventually. Doest it???

  • 3 lucasnufc // Nov 20, 2012 at 10:52 AM

    It’s not about Anita stepping up. He, like Tiote is a defensive minded midfielder and so through no fault of his own, is not going to play like Cabaye. The key to our success last season was combining defensively minded Tiote with offensively minded Cabaye. We have no alternative to the latter unfortunately. With Anita and Tiote in midfield, we will be solid- but not many chances created.

  • 4 Graeme // Nov 20, 2012 at 10:54 AM

    If all we do on Sunday is play with purpose and conviction – it will be a good step forward from the last two games!!

  • 5 Graeme // Nov 20, 2012 at 10:55 AM

    Jail – don’t forget the toast crumbs lol

  • 6 countrylad14 // Nov 20, 2012 at 10:56 AM

    For me its far too early to panic. I think we definately need to get back to 433. I think the whole 442 thing is down to keepin Ba happy until he signs his contract which is fine if we could still win games playing like that. Pardew however knows alot more than me and he needs time to turn it around.

  • 7 Hebburn Mag // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:00 AM

    I can see where Pardew is coming from when he says he doesnt have a full choice team to choose from. Cabaye, R Taylor, Gosling, Vuckic, Obertan, Sammy, are all out injured. Tiote, Collo are banned. But out of all of the players above how many would actually get into our strongest starting 11, 3/4? We shouldnt be able to blame injuries for our poor form because at the end of the day we should have brought in back up in the summer to help when we did get injuries and suspensions, which we didnt. We’ve got a number of really good youngsters who when needed can fill in in games but only games where its worth the risk. Come January we need to bring in atleast 3 players that will see us through until the summer and help us to finish as high up the PL as possible, whilst trying to progress as far as we can in Europe because lets face it the where were playing unless we win it we wont be in Europe next season. An already made CB who can fit straight into the team when needed aswell as a FB and a CFare the positions we need to look at strengthening come January, if we do bring in a CF in in January he cant be African for the sheer fact that with Ba and Cisse and possibly Shola going to the ACOF for the next few years we need a striker who is going to stay and be able to play for that period. Hopfully Ashley digs deep in January!

  • 8 Indian Magpie // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    Pardew should play 7-3 formation, the defenders can hooFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF the ball and if strikers cannot score we can defend in numbers.

  • 9 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:06 AM

    lets all get behind the team for a few games guys and bring toon support back to life and give the players the motivation they need they will not let us down if we cheer them on as loud as we can.

  • 10 countrylad14 // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:10 AM

    Personally though id go 433 in both the upcoming games.
    Vs Maritimo… Gk- Harper,Rb Santon, Cb Good, Cb Collo, Lb Fergy, Dm Anita, Cm Amalfitano, Am Marveaux, Rf Obertan, Lf Sammi, St Cisse.

    Vs Saints… Gk Krul, Rb Simmo, Cb Willo, Cb Saylor, Lb Santon, Dm Tiote, Cm Jonas, Am Marveaux, Rf Ben Arfa, Lf Obertan, St Ba.

  • 11 giimps // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:14 AM

    Where the hell are we going to get 7 defenders from?
    This is our problem, we dont have enough quality defenders, we have Colo And Santon, the rest are squad players (maybe Simpson would get into 1st team but not if we get a proper attacking right back), Colo is suspended so in reality we have 1 available defender who would nail his spot in a prem game.
    Hopefully though , we will get a decent CB and RB in January if we qualify for Knockout stages of Uefa cup (which is looking likely) and maybe another creative CM as these are the areas we are short (as has been covered many times on here in the past).
    If we sort our defence, we can push up the league and possibly get top 5-8 if not we can stay where we are in the league or drop a bit more.
    Time to smell the Coffee Fatty.

    HWTL

  • 12 chanty // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    Maybe its the lack of consistency in team selection that’s causing problems, i know we have a fair few injuries atm but why not try playing similar teams (as we have suspensions) for the next 2 games. With the available squad i would go for:

    ………………….Krul
    Simmo Colo(Willo) Taylor Santon
    …………….Anita Tiote(Bigi)
    ……..Marv Ben Arfa Fergie
    …………………Ba

    IF players are getting tired the can be subbed at appropriate times, personally i think subs after 75 mins are a waste of time unless defensive options

  • 13 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:21 AM

    why do some you insist on thinking that this is a problem that has just started this season,

    is the problem suddenly hitting you because we arnt 4th in the table right now,,

    no amout of new signings whould have changed what and where we are right now

    as a squad yes squad, we have some gifted players and some with less abitlity that can play as lets say ACM, LW, but pardew would rather just shuffel his first team and not really use his squad to its full affect,

    if pardew is the right coach ( i doubt it but heyho) why didnt he spend hours on the training pitch with simpson and williamson,, remember these played best part of lsat season, so its not like they have been dropped in last minnut and can not cope,,

    it seems they do enough training for free kicks to always aim for williamson at the other end of the pitch, that never work,, but when will that penny drop, prob never,

    the problem is , they have to be coaching long ball football, for the amount they use it, and it never seems to get any better,

    i dont know about you lot, but i bet even i could pass a 10 yard ball, if a player is availeble it should be easy,,

    and the strange thing to me is why isnt the simple pass on,, for large parts of last season and this seasn we have had 4 df and DMC all in our half,, there is enough bodies there,,

    i think some of you are more afriad of saking the manager because it dosnt look good not because its the right thing todo

    if i could look back and say hey , this is just a bad spell because we generally play well i would not be so worried, but as i see it,, we are now getting results that actullay match our play,,

    we have the players, and he has a great crowd,, but there are turning, and the only thing he had going for him was his league position, now thats gone,, he will lose the whole game and be gone

  • 14 Robby Bobson // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    For me its a no brainer…stick marveaux in CM….one.of.our best technical players and used the ball well on saturday unlike the rest of the team.

  • 15 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:25 AM

    ooops

    and the strange thing to me is why isnt the simple pass on,, for large parts of last season and this seasn we have had 4 df and 3 DMC all in our half,, there is enough bodies there

  • 16 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:28 AM

    @11
    without being so down in the dumps about it i do think you’ve hit the nail on the head tbh colo and santon are top of the prem players but saylor has lost his edge after the injury and willo is good but at the same time bad and never an average game with him.
    and when cabaye is out its upto arfa or even though he should still be in the youth side fergusson to provide the passes (although i think abied will be great here) marvaux imo needs to sort his head out as he’s one of the most creative players with vision and a good pass i have seen but for some reason he has not hit it off at toon.

  • 17 Robby Bobson // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    Catchy in norway….when there isnt a simple pass on the centre halves should carry the ball more…..saylor.does it, colo.does.it, williamson hooooof

  • 18 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    Ibiza…I can’t take responsibility for that early post this morning – mind you it was incoherent and I haven’t slept all night ’cause the little one was sick this weekend and he was by no means cooperative last night :(

    …and I clearly needed coffee :)

    So you are telling me cannot win the EL this Thursday – thanks for ruining this week for me as well (when will I get a break) lol

    Any chance of Pards playing Benny in the EL game soon? If we are going to try and win it we are going to need him at some point…right? 😀

  • 19 stuart no9 // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    lets be realistic lads- there were no positives from saturday. to say ben arfa having a good game is a positive, is nothing but desperation . that s how bad it has got. what next ? how long will it be before getting beat 3-0 at home is going to be a positive? or – “we did have a shot at goal in the 2nd half “. Hearing about chelsea having a good old argument after getting beat at west brom on saturday, – thats being positive,- not walking awayfrom a shocker as if it is normal, saying that , it is becoming the norm to have shockers now at our club. that is why- chelsea are there where they are and we are where we are. that is the difference from being ambitious and being un ambitious if thats the right word.

  • 20 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    Robby Bobson

    i aagree,,

    2 of them think it is a hot patatoe,,

    and thats where pardew should earn his money

  • 21 Robby Bobson // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    sorry but werent we pounding there goal for large parts of the game….krul decides to pass to their qinger then we chase the game and get caught on the break…..there were some poor perfirmances.but that game could have easily been over and 3 pounts to us before thier first goal.

  • 22 countrylad14 // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    @Robby
    I agree. For me Marv has looked a little bit lost on the wing but when he is played through the middle in the Cabaye role if you like he has looked a much better player. We need his creativity and passing range with Cabaye out.

  • 23 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    stuart no9

    now come on there a big club arnt they????

  • 24 fray bentos // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    @lucasnufc

    But we created far more chances against Swansea with Anita and Tiote than in ay of the games prior where Cabaye played

    @Stuart

    We weren’t amazing but there is definate postives from the game if you compare it to theWest Brom, Liverpool & West Ham games, we played better which means we have improved, whether we build on that is a different matter. I honestly believe if we had of got the first goal instead we would have won that game 3-0 or something similar, we were unlucky

  • 25 Blaydon-Toon // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    No 9 think Chelsea are where they are at because they spend millions every season and they still get beaten by do called lesser teams … We all need to stick together and get through this bad run of form and results !

  • 26 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:42 AM

    il ask again

    if the unthinkeble happens and we pick up . say 4 points out of the next 8 games, thats a very real possibily, 18 points for a half season,,

    should we carry on with a manager who will take us down,, morral is low now, and its sinking fast

    how long should we wait???

    im only worried cos i dont want to go down again

  • 27 mattyNUFC // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    robby bobson

    i think that’s been part of the issue this year

    for whatever reason mike w thinks he CAN carry the ball out of the back. he’s tried it a fair few times and looks like a giraffe going forward with about as much ball control

  • 28 ash1001 // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    I thought Tiote had a very good game on Saturday, possibly one of his best yet, it did go a little astray in the last 10 minutes but think that was down to frustration more than anything as we were 2 – 0 down and none of that was down to him. That was when a couple of rash tackles went in but up to that point he was very good.
    As for Anita, forgetting about his goal in Europe he has a long way to go, he does not seem that creative and we only need one defensive midfielder, so the options are limited – think his main chance is going to be at fullback (right), as that’s 2 games in a row Simpson has been taken off, which for some unknown reason (other than by AP) has resulted in a non productive reshuffle. According gossip and the papers Simpson needs to sort his life out, which like it or not is not what we want to see in the newpapers, so its make your mind up time for him, in the meantime play Anita at Right Back and see how it goes.
    Digressing, and waiting to be shot down, here’s hoping Nile Ranger takes the chance he’s been offered. we were all young once, most of us conducted ourselves in the correct manner, but am hoping that Ranger has turned the corner for the better.

  • 29 Indian Magpie // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    me neither catchy

  • 30 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    fray bentos

    your reading stats from a page that said we created.. but in reality,, they were just wild shots or extra deep crosses,, in that second half, i can not remember many where i was thinking go on,, put it in the net,,

  • 31 mattyNUFC // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    catchy

    i’d say no.

    but think about this in context if we sack him (all inevitable unrest aside brewed up by the southern media)

    we went from keegan to JFK. Hughton to Pardew. Who would be next? I hear Steve Keane’s available.

    If you think that couldn’t happen, think back to how ludicrous we thought it was when the bookies were closing bets on Pardew or when JFK actually was announced.

  • 32 Indian Magpie // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    Apart from Sunderland i dont think there has been a game that we can say we deserved to win.

  • 33 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    @catchy

    unlike your view of things i think we played well for most part of last year and even most of the games this year we have played pretty well (based on most of our games not just the ones we lost) i agree we have weak points as does every team and i dont claim to have the answers as i am not personally involved.
    all i can do is choose to either stop going to games of which imo i dont believe mid table and topping euro table makes them a bad team or even a mediocer team or i can cheer them on and try give them confidence so they “think” we believe in them so they play better.
    i’m sure if at work you had 50,000 people booing you that you would not work so hard for them but if 50,000 praised you they would get more work out of you.
    and thats pretty much all “supporters” can do.
    dont get me wrong i would like to see arfa in the middle behind the striker but in honesty he has played there on an occasion and was not involved as much as he is on the wing so maybe i was wrong about him playing in the middle or weather he needs time to addapt there but if he does need time and we lose another game or 2 while he does we know what will happen on the forums dont we.

  • 34 countrylad14 // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    @Catchy
    I think its important to give Pardew and the team time to turn it around. Things are no way as bad as they were in the relegation season…..i think a few are getting a touch carried away.

  • 35 Indian Magpie // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    having played last night i dont think Abeid will play on thursday too.

  • 36 magpie6699 // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    catchy – yeah, changing the managewr worked last time didn’t it? we appointed JF then Alan Shearer kept us up didn’t he? Oh no, that was in my dream…..

  • 37 Indian Magpie // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    i know comparisons are tough sometimes.

    But MANU had 3 CBS missing Jones, smalling and Vidic.

    Still they had 2 specialist CBs. god forbid if we have 3 CBs missing. we will have perchinson and simpson

  • 38 magpie6699 // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    JFK

  • 39 Jail for Ashley // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    A good article from Solano and Mactoon yesterday in saying now is not time to get rid of the manager I don’t think there is even the remotest possibility of relegation and you might as well get used to him because a guy given an eight year contract isn’t getting pumped on the say so of fans.

  • 40 Graeme // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    Fray @ 24

    Yes, we did play better than against WHU. Unfortunately, despite all our huff and puff we just did not threaten their goal – the Swansea keeper made ONE save in the 1st half and the ball was going wide of his far post anyway.

    We had NO threat, NO end product, NO movement off the ball. HBA played his heart out trying to make something happen – where were our players? Mainly standing watching him.

    Nobody made a run for him, nobody gave him an option, nobody supported him. It was just abject indifference. We didn’t win the game – we didn’t deserve to win the game.

  • 41 Indian Magpie // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    So there will be no Manager that would want to work at SJP?

    all we can think off are JFK, etc.

    Not luis enrique, rafa benitez Rudi garcia paul leguen

  • 42 mattyNUFC // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:56 AM

    say what you will about getting relegated and its improbability (i’m not insinuating it will happen)

    but at this point in 08/09, we had one point less than this year. if you go to the 22nd of november (two days), we’re exactly on par.

    what undid us? a horrible, horrible xmas run-up

    that looks very likely this time round too with the incompetence shown by our manager and Cabs being out for two months and tiote and shola gone for a fair few games as well

  • 43 obatoyou // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:57 AM

    hey cisse and ba aren’t playing in januAry’s African cup
    and the next one after that is in 2015, so thats some good news.

  • 44 Pushy Pardew // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:57 AM

    JFA
    on the contrary most of us see it as a chance to get stability.

  • 45 stuart no9 // Nov 20, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    blaydon @ 25 i was waiting for the “money to be mentioned” a few seasons ago we played a preseason at orient. we got hammered 6-1. after the game in the dressing room it kicked off. nolan demanded , players who dont want to play for the toon, f//ck off. and they did. – sorted. went on to win the fizzy league. to me , saturday was no different, either perform or , sling it, if its pardews fault. sort it , or f///ck off. if its ashleys fault coz lack of funds. sell up- something has to happen , be said , or sacked , but something is not righ t and needs changing now. that dosnt cost money.

  • 46 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    Countrylad

    I think it reaks of the relegation season and there are a lot of parallels on the pitch to what happened that season.

    The next few games are massive. It’ll wither drag us into the dogfight or see is stbale on mid table obscurity.

    Wither way it is not good enough.

    We can blame nothing other than the manager.

    It is the same in all walks of life, in every job, the buck stops with the teams manager.

    If the team isn’t performing the upper echelons of management ask the team managers why?!

    It’s the tactics that they employ on the shop floor that’ll see a team succeed or fail.

    Yes we should’ve had investment, yes we could forsee injuries and suspension and that is pivotal.

    The team however is set up every game with the main focus on not conceding. Wenate bereft of attacking ideas but Pardew must believe that not conceding is the most important thing, but when did not conceding ever win a game. You win by scoring. Pure and simple.

    This joker of a manager needs the delorean to take him back to the 60’s so he can look like a forward thinking manager.

    For 2 years I’ve been saying he will take us backwards.

    Last year we owe to other teams failing, individual brilliance and heaps of luck.

    33 games we played poorly but somehow we finished 5th.

    Did we learn? Did we evolve? No, webstayed static on all fronts and now look at us. 2 games away from a relegation fight and all this with a poor manager who obviously doesn’t know what he’s talking about, a MD who is clueless and an owner not willing to invest.

    Bad times ahead unless Ashley realises.

  • 47 magpie6699 // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    I know people are quite rightly blaming the manager – after all, he carries the can, but how much can he legislate for players missing easy chances (Ba twice on Saturday), constantly unable to play a simple 10 yard pass without under- or over-hitting it, turning into trouble when the simple pass is on, goal-kicking straight to the opposition or into touch etc. Part must be due to the players themselves surely and only part due to the manager.
    The world can be a fickle place – Chelsea would have won the Champions League under Avram Grant if Terry hadn’t missed his (winning) penalty. Instead he missed it, the shoot-out turned round, Chelsea lost – and the manager was soon sacked!

  • 48 Pushy Pardew // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    matty
    Still quoting from your favourit blog. You could also point out that the last time we lost two consecutive home games WAS THE SAME SEASON.

  • 49 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    i would love to know how many on here supported the toon while we was in the championships because i doubt a few on here did with the crying we are getting when we are where we are now.

  • 50 dcarter90 // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    the whole problems with the team play, is the movement and activity on the pitch, we move slow we pass slow and we break slow, and we attack in straight lines across and up the pitch. football now requires players to interchange positions with each other especially your top 5 attacking players to allow the movement to creat space by dragging opposition players out of position even for a split second to send the killer ball in or through. its pretty simple if you know your business but do the Newcastle staff know there business or is it just the players not doing there job. thoughts?

  • 51 tequilamag // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    Just for perspective sake last season we had a run where we only picked up 2 points out of 18 and still finished 5th. Dips in form happen to all clubs and despite what Catchy says, although the squad is good injuries and suspensions do have an effect. Better cover in defence would have made a big difference this year. You just have to look at CH , Colo has only played 5 games out of 12.

  • 52 mattyNUFC // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    stability does not equal success, pushy

    a taxi driver, suddenly given more time as a football manager, will not stumble to a winning mentality with more time. no, there has to be something there beforehand, some promise

    SAF – Aberdeen
    Wenger – Nancy, Monaco
    Pardew – freshly sacked from a Division 3 team

  • 53 Pushy Pardew // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    tequila
    QUITE. You only need to look at Everton’s changing fortunes in recent seasons.

  • 54 mattyNUFC // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    pushy

    what blog?

    i got it from wiki

    does it make it any less true??

  • 55 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    ok so its the managers fault we are losing and as your saying “sort it” so have you lot actually thought of how that is solved and that it contradicts everything the fans feared and did not want at the start of this season ?

    we did not want to lose any players …yet if they are not performing for pardew ..your saying to sell them right ?

    so bye bye cisse who’s not scoring …bye bye tiote who’s missing games through suspensions…bye bye ba who nvm he’s top 3 prem strikers nobody seems to like you as you will not play on the wing where your no where near as good anyways…

    maybe we should lose the whole team and nvm blaming yourselves for not cheering them on and just putting everyone down …it must be someone elses fault ….i would expect this from sunderland fans not toon fans

  • 56 mattyNUFC // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:12 PM

    and for the numbskull’s who think i’m saying ‘we’re getting relegated’

    i’m not. i’m pointing out this is awful, relegation form

    why the abuse for pointing out stats, facts? at least i’m attempting to back i’m my argument

  • 57 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    You could say pardew has been sacked 3 times so let’s get somebody better.

    But at the same time pretty much every manager going has been sacked at some point in their career. Very few spend their career with being sacked at least once.

    I don’t think pardew is doing things as I think is best but he does see a lot in training and in attitudes of players we do not.

    I want to see more of marvoux and abeid but that doesn’t mean it’s the right choice. For all I know they may put no effort into training or be all at sea on training practice games.

    I think for most clubs outside the top 4/5 who have spent a lot there is genuine competition so whilst I think we could so better we are not relegation candidates.

  • 58 Blaydon-Toon // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    No 9 I totally agree on your point about the players coming together and bust up after the Orient game was the best thing to happen to us as we went on to have a great season … Think the team is lacking player who take responsibility when things are not going our way and when we go 1-0 down nobody expects us to come back and win … Leadership and fight appear to be lacking since Nolan even Barton left !

  • 59 Phatoon // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    @dearter90

    We did that last season though. The problem is not having a good big enough squad. Having the amount of injuries and Europa league commitments players get tired, training gets distrupted and some players don’t have any competition for their place (so they get complatcent – which I think can really kill a teams work rate).

    Another thing is to have a versatile squad, Players like Williamson and Simpson are good for some games but in other games get exposed.

  • 60 Pushy Pardew // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:15 PM

    Matty
    Your 6th form analogies leave a lot to be desired. You are not equipped to determine quality in a football manager. A good starting point is recognition from professional bodies and to take a side favourite for relegation into Europe. Anyway a taxi driver wouldn’t have the badges. You make as much sense as saying”what’s that got to do with the price of fish”.

  • 61 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    I think each season needs to be judges as a whole.

    The only time I think a manger should be removed mid season from a club like ours is if we are floundering in the bottom 3 with 10/15 or so games to go.

    Even if we finish 12th this year it’s a step back but not a catastrophic one

  • 62 Pushy Pardew // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    Transfer
    The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

  • 63 mattyNUFC // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    and croftus

    quit attempting to make 2+2=5

    nowhere has anyone said get rid of the players. no one said get rid of cisse (ok, maybe some, but it’s quite evident we’re not playing to his strengths as we were last season). No one has said get rid of Ba. No one has said ship off Tiote (though do i think he’s massively overrated on form this year, yup)

    i’ve never berated the board for not bringing in better players.

    my annoyance is that we’re not playing to our current team’s strengths. I don’t buy the pitiful excuses; cabaye and guti have been woeful ALL season. Colo has had as many blunders as he has MOTM games. Do we need better defenders, wingers, and another striker? of course, but Pardew said this squad is more than capable on September 1st, even with injuries/suspensions. I agree. He’s the one backtracking now, not me

  • 64 fray bentos // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    @catchy

    Im not basing my opinion on stats but on watching the game, you only watched 1 half and did say on here we were playing better while you were watching so you can’t really comment

    I admit there was a lack of a quality final ball and end result but thats partly down to have 2 kids underperforming attacking, the rest of our game was a improvement in attackign sense, the only part which wasn’t was our defence in the 1st half but you have to expect it more when your pushing bodies up

  • 65 mattyNUFC // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:20 PM

    ah pushy

    a little slight on me and what i do. ok, i can take that.

    i can sit here and say time will prove me right but i support this team and would rather have you pro-Pardew folks prove me wrong. I would love nothing more than that

    In my mind, with what IVE seen, i don’t see that happening. sorry

  • 66 mattyNUFC // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    oh, and by the way Pushy, pardew was a taxi driver

  • 67 Ian Toon // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    Pushy- hiya. I pointed out to Transfer yesterday that 5 of the 9 quality players have been signed by Pardew. You can mke a case that
    once the missing pieces to the squad are signed or developed then he can progress towards a more ambitious style of play.

  • 68 robertsleftfoot // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:24 PM

    I agree with Indian Mag, apart from the scum game I cant say we look like we have deserved any points let alone a win, Liverpool out played us and we clung on, west ham done what we expected and swansea simply passed their way through the game, I dont agree with AP saying swanseas team was much more experienced in the prem than ours, they had people making their debuts, they have a few new guys playing for them and they have only had a couple of season in the league now, they have made good signings for very little money at swansea, west ham also signed jarvis and carroll as their main buys, premier league ability and experience, even the scum got proven prem league wit johnson and fletcher, we bought a kid playing in league 1 with coventry, a free from the french second division and a dutch dwarf who judging by ajaxs game against man city seem to have better in their team already so is it any wonder they snapped our hands off for the fee we offered.

  • 69 tequilamag // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    Matty not saying you have said we should sell players but quite a few have written off half the squad and said we should sell players. Not speaking for Croftus but I think he is frustrated at a lot of posters going into panic mode and in that I share his frustration.

  • 70 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    @63

    you said to pardew to sort it did you not ?

    and would you not say that those were problems in those players ?

    if your calling for pards head now then he obviously can not sort it as you seem to have given him all the time you will give him now ! so what option does he have it is not 2+2=5 its just how this is looking.

    like i say stop blaming others look at how you can improve yourself first then you can lead by example.

  • 71 Pushy Pardew // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    Ian
    Good afters and all that. Good point i might have seen a future star in Good last night. He looked everything that
    Williamson lacks. Comfortable on the ball and quick movement and aware of need to cover play.

  • 72 dcarter90 // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    i think the players are tactically astute, but putting it together on the pitch seems to not be working. maybe its a lack of confidence as at times we have looked a good side. for sure we miss our main players like cabaye and colo for that backbone and strength in the team. Gutierrez for me is horrible and brings very little to the team, would much rather hav a natural left winger/mf in there with a bit pace and fizz about them to create a buzz going forward, santon does not need protecting anymore he is a quality prem player now, i also think when campbell is back i think he definately deserves so sub appearances as he will suprise teams with his movement and speed and catch them off guard as he will be relatively unknown but looks a top striker.

  • 73 mattyNUFC // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    i hope it’s ok if i post more facts. I know how much they love to be debated….

    robertsleftfoot

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/blog/_/name/newcastleunited/id/276?cc=5739

    that article points out we had 309 MORE PL games between our on-field players than swansea had, and he says we lacked experience (and then brings on an 18 year old cdm chasing the game)

    3
    0
    9

  • 74 stuart no9 // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    alan pard who @ 46 good post. and for fans who say we cant go down! we can. make no mistake about that. if we were playing well but just unlucky in front of goal i would think different, however ,playing like we are and gradually getting worse, where is our next 3 points coming from? bearing in mind everybody thought we would pick 6 points up from the west ham and swansea game, not forgetting the last 3 points we gotwas against west brom , at home again with a winner in the 94th minute that came off cisse s arse . a striker who couldnt find the goal with a sat nav at the minute, where is our win coming from?

  • 75 Ian Toon // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    Pushy
    Confused by good . I heard Brad Inman was class yet again. Just what does he have to do. What did you think your a good judge.

  • 76 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    Ian

    I totally agreed with you on that. Once Pardew has all his own players he can have the style he wants.

    My point, which is related to that, but slightly different, is that Pardew should have the current lot playing in one of two ways.

    1) be more adventurous like when he played 433 towards the ende of last year. it wasn’t perfect but it was better and got results.

    or

    2) if long ball is the plan (not sure it is) then fully commit to it until the players he wants arrive.

    At the moment we seem to have a hashed together formation.

    We might not have the players to play the perfect 433 but we certainly could have a go like we did last season

    or just set up for the long ball, get cabaye/ba/cisse around shol, go long, use wingers like ben arfa and fergie, make them hug the touchline not come infield.

    I want entertaining football but I fully understand for pardew entertainment is a long way down in 2nd, he is jusged on results not pleasing the crowd.

  • 77 BelfastMagpie // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    We miss Nolan’s leadership big time in my opinion.

    Colo’s a good captain,but not a Nolan/Terry type of captain.

  • 78 mattyNUFC // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    croftus

    not calling for his head

    i wouldn’t be so stupid. god knows who MA would put in after him

    i want PARDEW, the man with the job to sort it out

    I think him doing his job would have more of an immediate impact than any role i could play, no?

  • 79 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    @ pushy

    glad to hear that not seen much of the lad but read nothing but praise for the lad so would love to see a few games with him in the toon shirt for us

  • 80 Pushy Pardew // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    Good was the pick. Inman started well and looked sharp
    scoring and providing but faded as the game went on.
    Abeid worth a mention as comfortable on the ball but a bit lacking in tracking back. Still hear talk of Inman and Abeid going out on loan.

  • 81 Ian Toon // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:35 PM

    Transfer- I know we reached an amicable agreement.

  • 82 mattyNUFC // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    Pushy

    you think Inman could do anything in the first team?

  • 83 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    pushy

    do you think inman, abeid and good should be out on loan.

    I find reserve/u21 football decent but it lacks the pace and competitiveness of prem league football.

    for me a much better place would be the championship to give the younger lads experience once they reach a comfortbale stage in U21 football with us.

  • 84 Ian Toon // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    I guess that those playing last night are unlikely to play on Thursday.
    I might have to watch on tv as I am struggling to be home for game. Dicing with rugby saturday and football Sunday. Something will have to give.

  • 85 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    @77

    think your right tbh if tiote loses his head a little less i would think he had the characteristics of a leader someone to kick them up the backside when they lose focus nolan/given were the best at this imo over the past few seasons

  • 86 Pushy Pardew // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    croft
    He looks a proper defender not unlike Woodgate in style. Saw someone mention a young Ferdinand but you get the idea.

  • 87 Rotonda heights // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:41 PM

    Catchy,

    It seems awful for a club with 50000+ home crowds to be stuck with a mediocre manager, yet know at the same time Ashley will not employ anyone better.

    We can dream of a Rikjaard or Solskjaer or any one of a number of young up and coming ”footballing” managers but we all know the reality is someone like JFK again.

    I have supported Ashley on a number of issues but sadly his lack of footballing nous in being able to pick and attract the right personnel to run this great club are a daily source of annoyance.

    Apparently bids by Ambani were turned down 3 times so we are basically stuck.

    I think as we have so many continental players we really need a continental manager, not a dyed in the wool 442 long ball English one.

  • 88 stuart no9 // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    blaydon @ 58 totally right . no leadership or fight. no one expects us to come back from going a goal down,Why.? because we have a manager who has knocked all those qualities that we had, out of the players. by imo tactics. ok – if we had mourinio in charge for, say 4 weeks, would he have us playing better football with a different attitude? we all know the answer to that.

  • 89 martoon // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    I’ve just bought tickets for the Maritimo match – sitting in seats within the Sports Bar area. I’ve never sat there before does anybody know do you get any perks like free program or drinks or does it just give you access to the bar?

  • 90 Ian Toon // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    Pushy- have to split.

  • 91 Pushy Pardew // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    Transfer
    Problem as you know is a shortage of bodies. They would benefit from Championship football.

  • 92 Rotonda heights // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:47 PM

    sage

    You say when he has his own players he will have his own style. That’s what worries me. Tevez and Mascherano were world class yet he preferred Harewood and Mullins.

    All pardew had to do was keep 433 but alternate Ba and Cisse in the central role, not play them together in a 442 which has unsuccessfully been flogged to death.

  • 93 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:47 PM

    @86

    i loved woodgate by far our best defender upto the date he left if only he was not injured so much he would have definatly been englands perm defender.

    will be looking forward to watching him play

  • 94 Pushy Pardew // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:47 PM

    Ian
    Go man go.

  • 95 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    Rotonda

    I don’t think anyone here would be annoyed if we got guardiola for example. A manger known to be one of the best and proven.

    But in the past we have tried with all kinds of managers from sounesss, allerdyce to more flair managers like ruud gullit

    Selecting a manager is never an easy task. If pardew left there are plenty managers who are much worse than him I wouldn’t be surprised for Ashley to get.

    Pardew did use a 433 last year so obviously it is on his mind. He must have thought or still thinks about it but isn’t using it for whatever reason.

    I think given time he will turn it around. But he has an 8 year contract so unless there are. Clauses in there I can’t see Ashley paying him out for 8 years because we are mid table and a few fans complain.

  • 96 Rotonda heights // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:49 PM

    Sage you say ” I want entertaining football but I fully understand for pardew entertainment is a long way down in 2nd, he is judged on results not pleasing the crowd.”

    HE’S DOING NEITHER!!

  • 97 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    Pushy

    I accept we are short but I don’t think good or Inman will get a sniff of the first team regardless. Rightly or wrongly

    I understand abeid having to stay though.

    Rotonda

    Who knows the politics behind getting those players. Also tevez was uncontrollable at man city last year with a world class manager so pardew was bound to find it hard to handle him. I wouldn’t judge him too much on that

  • 98 Pushy Pardew // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    Croft
    It’s always dangerous to build young players up but he looks the business. Mind you this is only the 3rd time i’ve seen him and against weak opposition. he’s not afraid to put his body on the line and noticeably has been on the weights.

  • 99 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    I don’t know if anyone agrees but the guy I saw as a perfect manager for us going from his short managerial career was Gary speed.

    He had Wales playing great.

    Another couple years with then then I think Newcastle would have new perfect for him.

    It sad such a tragic incident has ruined what could have been great for him and a club he loved.

  • 100 Rotonda heights // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    On a completely different subject does anyone know of some youth football tournaments in Northumberland during the summer (July / August)? The nearer to Newcastle the better.

    I know there used to be a really good one where teams came from all over and abroad but I can’t remember what it was called. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

  • 101 Pushy Pardew // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    Transfer
    Footballers are no different from some posters. If they don’t get their own way they have a strop. Tevez is hardly someone who’s word you would trust.

  • 102 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    rotonda

    that was in response to people criticisng our performances last year.

    Pardew has every right to bore us if it gets results. We might not enjoy it but if he thinks that’s the best way to get results then he has do go with what he thinks.

  • 103 Pushy Pardew // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    Transfer
    Pardew is unlikely to let bodies out until he has a few in via window.

  • 104 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    pushy

    yeh tevez had the biggest strop i have seen from a footballer.

    and yeh i know he wont let them go til he has bodies….but do you think good or inman will get a game or place on the bench whether we get bodies in jan or not?

    I personally don’t think they will…but it’s not a definite

  • 105 Pushy Pardew // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    Matty
    The revelation that pardew was a taxi driver !! What a daft point what about aspiration. Try consulting with people capable of assessing managerial talent. Sources are important in reaching any conclusion. You don’t start with the answer you want and then find the means of justifying it.

  • 106 Pushy Pardew // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    Matty
    Clearly Pardew doesn’t. For me he’s been the pick of the reserves(under21’s) this season and linked well when playing with Campbell.

  • 107 Pushy Pardew // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:08 PM

    Thanks for the chat.

  • 108 lewytoon // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:10 PM

    team for thursday

    elliott
    tavernier – colo – williamson – santon
    amalfitano – bigirimana – anita/marveaux
    obertan – cisse – ferguson/sammy

  • 109 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    @transfer

    i think pushy was simply finding a very possitive point about our club buddy he’s not saying there 100% ready for first team just that they could well be great players for the future and something to lift our spirits a little.

  • 110 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:22 PM

    Croftus

    I get that.

    My point was surely if they won’t be given a chance in the first team this year ten surely te championship on loan (if a club wants them) is better than just playing reserve football.

  • 111 t00ntime // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:22 PM

    May i just ask what is wrong with simpson? Everybody says he isnt good enough and debuchy is a massive step up, but i dont see it :S defensively they are just as good (both back off to much imo) debuchy is just better attacking. He is also 27now and simmo 25. Imo debuchy is a step up but i dont see why there is all this hate for simmo. Just a quick explanation of whats wrong with simmo wud be nice 😛

  • 112 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    i’m thinking guti will play to get him a little fitter tbh
    but the team i would pick would be (bearing in mind its a euro game)

    ————-elliot—————-
    santon–willo—colo—anita
    ————-bigi——————
    ober——marv——–sammy
    ——–ba——-cisse———-

    reason for cisse and ba is that cisse needs to learn how to play with ba (ba is scoring so imo he’s doing right)

  • 113 tequilamag // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    t00ntime good question mate. Never got the Simmo hating.

  • 114 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    @110

    ah ye i see what you mean and completely agree.
    i see how tav has progressed since he was loaned out so it proves its the way to go with youngsters.
    if i was manager i would think its just precaution though not too much inman as we have millions of mf players ^^ but with good if he really is this good maybe it puts a second thought in pards mind that if he loses too many defenders to injury/suspension good is there (better safe then sorry) and he’s not been with us long so could still be getting to know the club maybe but i think next year he may go out.

  • 115 Ian Magpie // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:33 PM

    Ok lads! Whats going to happen come January if we don’t sign anyone??? We need 3 quality players but IMPO I just don’t see it happening. I really hope I am wrong but after what happened in the summer, Its not out of the realms of possibility that we will limp through the rest of the season with the squad we have now!
    So the question is………………….What will happen if we don’t sign anyone in January?

  • 116 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    @toontime

    theres nothing wrong with him buddy like you say he’s a good defender and not too bad going forward its just that on the other side we see a player far better and in honesty you need to improve on the weaker links in debuchy imo we would have a better player same with cb’s colo is a no brainer but if you take willo or saylor you tend to think yep ok there good defenders but i could do with 2 colo’s

  • 117 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:36 PM

    Indian

    Difficult to judge.

    I never saw us signing cisse last year so not sure what will happen.

    If the players we are reportedly interested in…debuchy, douglas, cissokho are available at a cheap/acceptable price I think we will get all 3.

    If they are all over the value of what we are prepared to pay I think we will get none.

  • 118 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    @115

    with reguards to me nothing will happen i will still support them and cheer them on every game.
    if we get relegated again in the future i will be upset ect ect just like last time but i’ve supported them from kk’s 1st riegn so that will never change for me

  • 119 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    I think everyone here would be cheering at games and supporting the lads.

    The criticism here isn’t too bad as it is away from the game and wont have a negative influence…better the fans vent anger here than on the stands.

  • 120 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:42 PM

    @119

    very true buddy

  • 121 Colo-Sus // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:49 PM

    Maritimo:

    =============Elliot================
    TAV=====Taylor====Wilo======Fergie
    =========Bigi=====Tiote===========
    Obertan======Marv========Sammy
    =============Cisse===============

    Southampton

    =================Krul==============
    Simo=======Taylor======Wilo======Santon
    ==========Anita========Tiote===========
    Marv============HBA============BA
    ================Cisse================

  • 122 stuart no9 // Nov 20, 2012 at 1:54 PM

    rotonda @ 100 what kind of tournaments tou talking about? professional or amatuer clubs.?

  • 123 t00ntime // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:01 PM

    @croftus makes sense. I still dont understand the hate, but i’m guessing thats more because he hasnt signed a contract mixed with our underperforming and lack of signings in the summer.
    Still hope simmo signs even if he becomes a back up defender, but i think he wants 1st team football which of course wont be for us if debuchy does come. Understandable if he leaves and i wont hate him for it

  • 124 Rotonda heights // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    stuart no9

    Amateur like u-9’s through to under 19’s. As I say i know there used to be a good one but can’t remember it’s name

  • 125 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    @123

    aye with ya on that 1 he would be great to have as backup as he’s currently i think our best leftback if you dont count santon playing at rb

  • 126 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:13 PM

    that should read rb if you dont count santon playing there >.<

  • 127 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    if we are talking about a good right back, watch southamptons this weekend, clyne, twice the player simpson is,
    me personally, i do like deduchy, for his attcking abilities, he is 27 got pace, not the best at defending but not the worst, sends in quality balls to the box,,

    also, this 6-1 to orient, 2 big factors in why we turned it around, 1,, CH, 10 times the manager pardew is, no2 the players with big mouths in the dressing room, in that dressing room right now,, i dont see leaders, players that will scream at players and tell them to get stuck in

    another point,, why was pardew apointed, no other prem club wanted him why??? because he isnt that good,
    read wiki, and tell me he has all the credentials to run a premer league team, filled with top internationals
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Pardew

    his record kind of sugests great at the start then rapid decline, then fired pretty quick

    southamton, low moral was the key,,, LOOK AT OUR TEAM

  • 128 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:19 PM

    t00ntime 111

    SIMPSON, is very poor at going forward, his crossingis slightly better than obertan, so there is a lot of wasted balls,
    his defending, he is caught out of position to much, unless he is on the line, then he is great

  • 129 tequilamag // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:20 PM

    So morale is the issue Catchy, strange how none of the squad has kicked up a fuss and none of the press have mentioned dressing room unrest. Also strange that Barton and Nolan have nothing but praise for Pardew. You might think they would have more cause than most to stir the pot against Pardew

  • 130 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:21 PM

    Catchy

    I watched Clyne a few times this year to see what the fuss was about as I haven’t been impressed.

    I know he is young so could improve but seems distinctly average at RB for me.

    Would put at least 3 right backs ahead of him for an England place.

  • 131 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    tequilamag

    moral is an issue right now,, they dont have to come out and say it,, we can see it,, how many players come out and say a bad thing about a coach right now,, not many,, did you hear rob lee complain about ruud?? no so why would any other player,

    tevez did,,, i think he has been proved right in the wway he moves players around out of position, just this summer BA said im off if i dont get my way

  • 132 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Tequila

    Don’t agree with catchy that pardew can’t motivate people, think pardew got the best out of a lot of players including perch and raylor who had been written off.

    I do agree there doesn’t seen to be a single player in the side who is a natural leader, commands respect and can get the lads to turn the game around.

    I think that’s shown by the fact we haven’t won for 40+ games where we have conceded first.

    The way Nolan and Barton pulled the whole team round when we were 4-0 down to arsenal was amazing. We don’t have that on the pitch now and it makes me worry.

  • 133 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:27 PM

    Transfer Sage

    then you have not been reading my comments properly

    i have ssaid many times, he can make pub players look great, but at the same time he can make great players look like pub players

  • 134 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:27 PM

    Newcastle are now master manipulators of the press so we wouldn’t hear about any unrest in the dressing room.

    It’s become the North Korea of the footballing world.

    Good thing or bad thing we won’t know anything but I’ll tell you this. If we the fans are unhappy then the squad (big name players) will be less than happy in my opinion.

    Why would Ben Arfa for example be happy struggling and fighting a one man battle whilst Pardews tactics enforce him to play a game that doesn’t bring out the best in him?!

    Got a feeling we are going to lose one and turn the dominoes will fall.

  • 135 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    turn is meant to be then

  • 136 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    Alan_Pard_Who

    exactly mate

  • 137 tequilamag // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    Catchy assumptions without facts are just assumptions. As for Tevez he is the biggest whiner in the PL. 200K plus a week and he goes back to Argentina in a sulk for 3 months.
    Also Ba said nothing of the sort, his agent made some statements which BA denied.

  • 138 tequilamag // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    Alan Pard Who you are making the same assumptions as Pardew, just because your unhappy it does not follow that the players are unhappy.

  • 139 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    tequilamag

    we both no jack shit about what was said,, but there is no smole without fire,, where does BA play now?? through the middle

    end of lsat season, still shit tacktics, but at least he was getting goals out of cisse , better play from cabaye, and HBA is HBA just a great player, but not a one man team

    lets change it so we dont lose 1 player,, dosnt need to be writen down on paper for you,, just watch the match

  • 140 tequilamag // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    Should have read the same assumptions as Catchy

  • 141 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    smoke lmao 😉

  • 142 Rotonda heights // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    tequila

    a lot of footballers are a..e holes.
    Tevez still helped win city the PL

  • 143 tequilamag // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    Well Catchy if neither us knows what was said why claim BA was unhappy?

  • 144 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    Catchy

    I read that before from you.

    I was just saying what I thought. I thnik pardew got the best out of players like cabaye and ben arfa too.

    Maybe not the best we want to see, as in them working magic in the final third, but has got the best out of them defensively.

    We may not like to see that, I personally would rather they had a bit of a license to attack more but Pardew got exactly what he wanted out of them.

  • 145 tequilamag // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:37 PM

    Catchy Tevez , great player agreed but hardly somebody to quote as a player about dressing room unrest when he is usually the cause of problems.

  • 146 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:38 PM

    143 tequilamag

    do you only read half of things

    i said no smoke without fire, BA’s agent said BA was not happy if it makes you feel better, not BA, he did not like being out on the left wing, so his agent said,

    new season, BA is no longer deploid on the left wing,,

    now to me that suggests ba was not happy and won as he now plays in the central position

  • 147 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:41 PM

    Catchy….On the other hand, he doesn’t appear to have ever been given a chance to get through a “rough patch”. Whilst he does well and all is ticking along everyone is fine, first sign of trouble and goodbye. Is that a reflection on the manager or the state of football today?

    Let’s look at those jobs.

    Reading (99-03) – Blocked his move to West Ham, so resigned. They clearly wanted him to stay which indicates he was doing a good job.

    West Ham (03-06) – This is a slightly tricky one, so let’s look at it season by season.

    03-04 – Defeated in the play off final – not a bad start.
    04-05 – Struggled for form, came under pressure….but….clinched promotion via the play offs – also, not too shabby.
    05-06 – Back in the PL, often a tricky adjustment for players and managers alike. Finished 9th and got them to the final of the FA Cup. Brilliant for a newly promoted team.
    06-07 – According to reports, started the season badly, in fact their worst string of results in 70 years. Not good, but I don’t know enough about the club, owners or players to know if this is down to Pardew. Anyway, he was sacked that December, 4 months in to the season. Sounds like an impatient owner or a weak one giving in to fan pressure.

    Yes, he would have made mistakes during his reign at West Ham, but overall, he improved the club and moved them along, but at the first sign of any real trouble was told to walk.

    Charlton (06-08) – Well, he took over mid season and they were 19th on 12 points with a -20 goal difference. Form improved that season, but he was unable to stop them being relegated. Bit harsh to put that one on Pardew, he inherited a huge problem it would seem. In the following season (07-08) his first full season with them, they finished a mediocre 11th, so was under pressure to do better in the 08-09 season. After a great start, they then went on 8 games without a win and was sacked November 22nd 2008 (day before my Birthday – take note for this Friday people 😉 ).

    Once again, I don’t know much about Charlton or what he had to work with, but it would be fair to assume that the squad weren’t that great, morale probably shocking. I think we could call that a bad one caused by the club and Pardew – I would need to research it further really.

    Southampton (09-10) – After taking the rest of that season off (was this when he became a cabbie?), he then started with Soton July 2009. This was after the club has been purchased by a new owner, so was in a major state of transition. The club had a 10 point deduction for that season and still managed to mount a play off challenge up until the final two games of the season. Not bad once again. Next season he won the football league trophy, but was then fired 5 months later due to reports of low staff morale (doesn’t say whether playing or backroom) and conflict between Pardew and the club chairman.

    So, please tell me, where in his credentials it implies that he is useless and that no one wanted him?

    He is not the best manager around, but we could be doing a lot worse. The one thing I can see looking through that lot is that no one gave him a real chance when the going got tough.

  • 148 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    ba’s agent said if he is played out of possition he may need to look for another club and he was right tbh ba would have been called utter rubbish if he had continued to be played on the wing as i think your forgetting the s**t the fans were giving him at the end of last season when he went 16 games without a goal..but now he’s up front and 3rd best prem striker ..only a fool would play him on the wing again when you have someone who scores goals like that.

    and just to even things out pards has done a great job of arfa who is one of the most tempremental players around yet we have not seen any of it at toon .

    barton as good a player as he was caused more problems than he solved and i was sick of reading the papers because of him tbh but nolan was a great leader and we do miss his leadership skills sadly saylor has not improved like we all hoped he would

  • 149 tequilamag // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    catchy you also said from post post 131 just this summer BA said im off if i dont get my way,
    Make your mind up

  • 150 jonobbad // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    Guardiola one odd the best and proven.
    Er no sorry.
    I could win the league with barca’s squad.
    IMO The fact that tito has brought them their best start in years adds weight to this.
    In regards to pards, he should be judged at the end of the season, not now.
    People wanting him sacked now are idiots.

  • 151 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    Transfer Sage

    well thats my point, perch still looks shit and scared at CB, in DMC he looks an animal, great at tackling

    CABAYE you know he has quality, we see it, but he is never high enough up the pitch for us to fully get the best out of him

    pardew is lost with what to do with good players,

    he is even more lost with continental players,,

    HBA is wasted out on the right,, sure he looks good, but if he options left and right in front of him, he could be better

  • 152 fray bentos // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    @Alan_Pard_Who

    “It’s become the North Korea of the footballing world”

    Come on, thats ridiculous, how is that the case? and how do you know?

    As for Ben Arfa not be shown at his best, i think last game he was practically put in the shop window considering how good he was, he was given the ball loads and our tactics were geared towards him creating, he had so many opportunites to impress and has done so since he’e been here. Unfortunately he will probably be gone by next season and i doubt are league standing will make any difference

  • 153 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    jonnobad

    sorry but guardiola helped put that side together.

    No matter how good a team is the manager still has something do to.

    Ideally a manager proves himself with greater competition as guardiola only has 1 rival in the league but he did everything asked.

    He also won a couple champions leagues, spanish cups, world club championships.

    If he isn’t that good why are all the top clubs keeping an eye on him so they dont midd out?

  • 154 t00ntime // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    @catchy i know simmo isnt good at going forward but i
    Guess i’m still living in the 80s/90s when FB’s were still defenders lol nowadays they are judged alot on by how they go forward which is definaty simmos weakpoint. Imo he doesnt lose the ball in stupid places as much as willo and tiote do (and hba used to). But if we are to move forward (which isnt looking likely but i’m goin to stay positive lol) he/they really have to iron that out because even if simmo becomes a back-up it will be no good if he keeps losing possession in his own half. (goes for everyone)
    This constructive criticism is better though because atleast now i understand what u think is wrong with him unlike a while back when almost everyone was shouting about how bad simmo and williamson are, without saying why lol.

  • 155 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    Catchy….On the Ba situation.

    Firstly, as a team, we were playing well and getting results with Ba on the left.

    Clearly he wasn’t happy with that set-up (Ba) and to some extent you can understand. You go from top scorer first half of the season and then don’t the latter when you’re moved to the left.

    So, what should Pardew do? Try and accommodate his 2 best strikers or sell the unhappy one? It’s trial and error and these things take time. Just some people aren’t willing to do that imo.

  • 156 Rotonda heights // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    Ibiza

    You rotate them

  • 157 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    Ibiza

    for me Pardew should bench one….on current form cisse.

    All top clubs have good striking options on the bench…we don’t when we play both.

  • 158 Rotonda heights // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    United often have chicharito coming off the bench plus we have way more games this year and it would save ba’s knees.

  • 159 jonobbad // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:55 PM

    Ibiza
    You give pards the credit for doing well at west ham at the start, but than you get to their worst start in 70 years and say you’re not sure if it’s down to him.
    If they take the credit for doing well then he should take stick for not doing well.
    Same as in all walks of life, but double standards are commonplace on here with some

  • 160 Rotonda heights // Nov 20, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    jonnobad

    I think it’s fair to say a lot didn’t want him here in the first place

  • 161 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    t00ntime

    he also just hoofs it when no one is around him,, santon will at least try to run at the player

    ibiza

    date noted 😉

    but look at the positions he has finished , nearly always play offs, CH pissed the league at first attempt with a ver depleted squad, at the first attempt,

    if padew had been the manager that had won that division many times with various clubs id say yeh, he has something, but he was even the best manager in those devisions

    i dont care what you think, ,, we are a big club , in every way other than the ttrophy cabinet,,

    every one said we are getting a better manager than CH, id love to see where they got that info from, in your opinion is he tacticly any better than CH??

    BA,, yes we got results with Ba on the left, but did he really benift the team by being there, he was like CIsse is now, but in there best positions there leathal,,

    is pardew doing the team a favour by playing them both if one is a passenger

  • 162 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    @160

    very true i didnt want him to start with either as ch did nothing wrong and i have the greatest respect for him but pardew has taken us forward from ch’s riegn got us from a relegation fight into a 5th possition and now into top of euro group with like many have said one of the best teams we have had in many a year not to mention the fact i dont get the p**s taken out of me anymore by manu/chel/manc supporters so i will not put pardew down or hope he does not do well like some here are preying for.

  • 163 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    i know wwe dont have this

    but if pardew had 10 great football players and they where all CF, he would play them all in the same team,

  • 164 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    Croftus

    Bit generous on pardew there. I like him, think he will get us better but we were predicted relegation but that was rubbish.

    He took over a mid table side, kept us there then got us 5th

    A good achievement but not the same as going from relegation to 5th. I know that was a media tip but it was rubbish, we both know that.

  • 165 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    On Ba….I did say all summer the two should be rotated. It just makes sense on so many levels, to me as an outsider anyway. I kind of lost the point I was trying to make there. I think it was people being played out of position. For me, Ba could or should have scored from the left, he was really close on a fair few occasions. As a manager, he should do what is best for the team, as of last year, playing Ba left was best for us or so it seems anyway. However, If a player is unhappy then he also has to try and accommodate that or morale will drop. Basically, it’s a balancing act, so people bringing up Tevezs words on Pardew are about as relevant to this as me saying I have size 11 shoes.

    Jonno….The reason I say that is I don’t follow them at all, so no idea what was going on or what he had to work with. Did they sell any key players that summer? I just don’t know about that. Not trying to have double standards, honestly I’m not. But rough patches will come along, some really bad, but never once can I see where Pardew has had a chance to deal with it (except maybe the 04-05 season at West Ham when he came under early pressure from fans, but they ultimately clinched promotion).

    I suppose what I am saying is, it doesn’t make for best manager ever reading, but it’s hardly terrible, is it?

    As for giving him credit for the good, I thought it was luck and not Pardew that got us 5th? Should we now be blaming bad luck then? In advance, i’m only playing and don’t expect an answer to that.

  • 166 t00ntime // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    @catchy yeah thats true, simmo williamson and krul do it non stop. The worst part is they lose it everytime and still try again :S. makes me think AP tells them to do it or sirely he would of stopped them by now. For me the longballs when there is an easier Option (dribbiling or passing) is stupid. Thats definatly a massive flaw for simmo :(

  • 167 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    Transfer Sage

    i hope your right,,

    but the next 8 games are very hard games,, tell me where u think pionts will come?

    and if we have less than 20 points come jan, would you worry,

    cos for me 5th last year was a poor result, i think 3 rd was well up for grabs, but pardew bottled it,, as he is doing right now

  • 168 tequilamag // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    Catchy @163 that is the most bizarre thing I have seen you post, what on earth are you using to justify that statement?

  • 169 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    Ibiza

    So you think pardew tries to get people playing in a Lot of positions instead of trusting some squad players he signed like obertan and marvoux?

    I personally think we play people out of position instead of trying somebody different in a natural position.

    I would rather see marvoux have a go let then let Ba play there if it doesn’t work that vice versa as we seem to do. If that makes sense.

  • 170 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    @164

    what i was getting at is that we were all saying as long as we survive our first season back in the prem after losing our bulk of prem players and coming up with championship players for part of the squad

  • 171 Munster Mag // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    Ibiza, looking at it neutrally, you eem extremely kind to Pardew in your analysis? I dont know a lot about it , but you look very generous on that account of his history, in patches anyway. Interesting comment by Wynsleap yesterday:
    Out of the players you mention there Ed,only the extremely underated Ryan Taylor is a miss. Vuckic and Gosling may as well stay unfit for all the use they are.
    The playing side of the club needs an overhaul as those two and the likes of Abeid, Obertan, Marveaux and Amalfitano are never going to cut the mustard here.

    Gotts say, I pretty much agree with that. Maybe Marveaux and Abeid, but the others offer little so far. Who says we have an amazing scouting machine?

  • 172 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    Catchy

    I would rule out city, man utd and arsenal as places to get points.

    Southampton, stoke, Wigan, Fulham and qpr. They are all Ames we can take maximum points from. Not suggesting we will get 15 points from them but if we improve and get near our best we could have 10-12 points from those of not more

  • 173 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Ibizatoon

    on the luck part,,

    he still had a masive chunk of luck this season in the league
    everton beat us, but the ref gave us some help there, 1 point,
    WBA where by far the better tteam, sammy whackk, straght of cisses ass, 3 points, when even 1 point for a draw was harsh on WBA,
    so for me , right now we are 3 points better off through luck,,

    ad if you take the sundeland game,, most other team would have lots past us that day,, luck was on our side because sundeland are shit in front of goal

  • 174 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Toon time

    It’s easier for the limited players to kick long than think about a proper placed pass

  • 175 tequilamag // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Catchy @167 we went on a bad run last season and only picked up 2 points from 18. Where did we finish again ?

  • 176 cyprus // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    @147, I’m trying to understand your argument, carefully read AP’s CV, not that impressive, wouldn’t u agree? And if West Ham hadn’t rallied under Curbishley (7 wins in 9 last games!) they would surely have been relegated. To be honest, I don’t mind his record, it’s average to ok, but what counts is now. This is new ground for him and he must learn fast. Do they (all the coaches) try different formations according to the opponent? Do they react depending on run of play or opponents’ game? Are they getting the most out of the strengths of the players? Why don’t we score from corners and set plays? Why does our midfield get bossed? We must improve, even though Swansea game was a bit better. (Still, we could’ ve conceded more)…
    There’s absolutely no need to panic, but we must be extremely alert: we need three (3) ‘ready’ first teamers in January, who can inject new pathos and creativity and competition. That’s about 20 million, as in that period one must pay a little over the rate. And these transfers must be secured now, not at the very last minute liverpool-style.

  • 177 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    Transfer Sage
    id agree

    city man u chelsea arsenal are tough game home and away
    liverpool fulham eveto and spurs are tough away games

    but we should be looking at the 4 above (not the top 4) and all other teams as home wins west ham and swansea wba qpr should be bankers and a lot of away wins and draws out of them,

    we dont look good enough to even get draws right now

  • 178 stuart no9 // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    croftus @162 ” pards got us out of a relegation fight ” when was that then? i seem to remember when he arrived, our position for just getting promoted was not too bad, i am sure that when you look at the table when he arrived , we were in a healthy position.

  • 179 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:22 PM

    Catchy….Don’t forget Friday, as a present you could sing Pardews praises for a day – even if it is lies! :)

    Look, I loved Hoots and was gutted when he was fired. I didn’t really know who Alan Pardew was and thought “here we go again”. So, I didn’t start off by thinking I’d be impressed with Pardew, but he did win me over.

    Can’t really compare the two managers, as both worked with a different core of players and it would be pure speculation. As I said, big fan of hoots and wish him well, but hand on my heart, do I think he’d get us top 6? No, I don’t.

    As for who wins the Championship being an indicator of a better manager, just look at who finished where last season in that league and where they sit now in the PL – I think that point has f.a to do with anything really.

    Difference between Chris and Alan as far as tactics go is, Chris had a season in the Championship to learn his trade with his team really, with less pressure. He was also using an old tried and tested method, which they performed to great effect. Not really the same task that Pardew has, is it?

    On Ba & Cisse, I agree. It isn’t working. Fair play for giving it a go,the idea of them playing together well is a lovely thought, but enough is enough, time to play one alone and just try these ideas on the training field until it makes more sense (maybe playing HBA behind them both would sort this out – but once again, speculation).

    Right good folks, I am off to a meeting, but will check in to hear your thoughts a little later.

  • 180 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    Thought of the day:

    Never criticize somebody until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes. That way, when you do criticize them you’re a mile away and have their shoes.

  • 181 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    Wow, that took longer to type than I thought. Munster I’ll get back to you later.

    Bye for now.

  • 182 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    tequilamag

    i said right then in jan, pardew showed us his cards, BA left, and he went ultra defensive, best was up top with shola and no support, cabaye played as a DMC, so we had 2 then,, this season, we have had 3 JONAS TIOTE CABAYE

    so whats your point,, he will switch to attcking when he gets new players in jan

  • 183 stuart no9 // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    rotonda- how far you prepared to travel? do you run a team or are you just enquiring about the tournaments. what team do you run.?

  • 184 woolerbill // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    Pardew keeps telling us he takes positives from the defeats, all season he said this but still keep getting beat.

  • 185 tequilamag // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    Catchy my point is that form changes, based on a run of 2 points from 18 which was in Nov Dec not Jan you would have thought we were relegation candidates but Pardew showed he had the nous to turn things round. Of course this does not fit with your view of Pardews abilities. But if your going to raise the panic levels with a load of waht ifs and assumptions , then it is only fair I counter that with some concrete facts.

  • 186 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    cyprus

    his record is not even just ok,, as i said above, he is an average manager in charge of a big club and failing badly,,

    its well documented, and he even said so himself, the fans here are no mugs, they love to see attacking players with flair

    read the comments
    these are not me and carnt all be wrong
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xle4toD_bzU

  • 187 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    By that pearl of wisdom I mean that we should all just reflect and give Pardew a lot more time to sort this out because he is a good manager

  • 188 cyprus // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    I don’t like to count eggs but….
    Southampton- nufc: we win, and,
    stoke (a): draw
    Wigan (h): win
    fulham (a) loss
    man city (h): draw

    This optimistic look would take us to 24 points (about what west brom has now, and what we had last year…) beginning of xmas holidays. Boys, we sure must rally!

  • 189 Ian Toon // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    Catchy- Good afternoon. I have read some of the voluminous material you keep quoting and would like to make some very brief observations. Firstly you have not been selective in your choice of material. Wiki Is remarkably unreliable and as with authorised publications your treated with a good deal more favour than if you don’t. I compared Sir A Ferguson’s material with our Alan’s. The first thing noted in Alan’s was a sub section headed controversies – there was no such material listed for Ferguson. The latter has achieved much and is viewed with due reference but it’s hardly a balanced account. As that great defender of the faith in NUFC implied earlier when responding to Matty you need to question your sources. If we were going to buy a player we wouldn’t just look in Rothman’s football year book. There is prejudice ( not on your scale!) in that you might well have formed a view previously of the standing of any of our signings. In my view many of our fans started off by not rating him simply because he was yet another London spiv, replacing CH and had been appointed by Ashley. Pardew probably gets on well with the bosses and having been told how things would be bought into the 5 year plan at the outset. Chris Mort did an excellent job but Pardew is left to his own devices. In fact he probably wishes DL would not come out with bizarre purple campaigns which just make us look foolish. As to whether Pardew is a good manager as Solano said last night history will absolve me. Managers when asked why things are not hunky dory will complain of injuries and when pushed say they need time and 2/3/4/5 (delete where appropriate ) more good players. I can see why your now on a mission to oust him because when he’s picking up awards and getting Europa places you would have been certified by me. I am reassured when the solid senior supporters on here take broadly my view that I am on firm ground. I don’t have anything personally against you but I won’t be going over the same ground. If circumstances change dramatically I will revisit but as someone pointed out Everton have rescued a fair few seasons when all looked lost . Ask yourself could I be wrong ? I have and compiled a for and against column. Have you?

  • 190 cyprus // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    sorry, 22 points, right?

  • 191 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    @178 stuart

    look @170

    yep we was in an ok possition thanks fully to ch the point i was trying to prove is that pardew has brought us forward not call ch in any way as i thought he was a great manager for us.

  • 192 karasu // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    I say we boo them off the pitch at half time and full time to show them how serious we are about this slump and how much they are letting us down. I’ll definitely be getting ready my missiles to throw at Tim, Steven and Mike if they so dare to make even a bad move, much less concede a goal. My pal told me he’s prepared to pitch invade the next time we fall behind to give them a piece of his very angry and frustrated mind.

  • 193 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    @192

    thats just childish
    its the one part fans get to contribute to the team by cheering them on and making them want to play for us.

    if we get people doing that all game whats the point of them even turning up to play for people who just boo them.

  • 194 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    Karasu

    Who let you out of the asylum? Now, now, let the nice men in the white coats take you “home”…

  • 195 Dannyo // Nov 20, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    @Transfer Sage
    It’s odd tho, cause u would think a pass near the ground and to a free player, a simple pass really, would be easier to hurl it long to a target man.
    Atleast when it comes to precision.
    Problem is, you get closed down quickly in this league, so the players with less confidence or ability on the ball, generally just hoofs it, hoping for some luck further up the pitch.
    You lose possesions 9/10 times, but give yourself longer time to regroup and defend.

    So unless we upgrade our players, like Simmo and Willo, you won’t improve the teams passing.

  • 196 mattyNUFC // Nov 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    sorry to join in mid-way

    but catchy

    perch has hardly looked sh*t at CB

    he looks composed in a holding CM role but really offers nothing offensively. neat passing, but much more astute at CB imo

  • 197 Transfer Sage // Nov 20, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    Dannyo

    Agree a 5 yard pass is easier than a 60 yard long ball.

    The problem is its easier to kick it long in a general direction than pick out a short pass.

    If we lose a long ball there is no immediate danger. Losing a short pass could put you under threat right away.

    The way our defence play the long ball requires no skill and is a cowards pass really.

    They aren’t helped by the midfield not always showing for the pass though. Players with less technical ability need more and easier options really.

  • 198 mattyNUFC // Nov 20, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    193, 194

    i’m not a betting man, but if i was, i’d say 192 is doused heavily in sarcasm

  • 199 catchy in norway // Nov 20, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    ian,, hello and welcome :)

    honestly a great reply,

    my dislike for pardew is not based on things i have read but my owen obsevations, in which i try to back up with stuff i try and find from the net

    however, based on what i have seen in 2 years from the guy i believe my first judgment was a correct one

    since the day he came i have not seen many good footballing matches, i have some of the best bits of skill from a player, but i have not seen many team performances
    this is all subjective to any one individual, as one might like defensive some might like wingers some like 433 and some like 442,
    me i like attacking football

    firstly CH, i said right at the begining, he would not be my choice, but i was willing to give him a chance, as we where not in a position to say hey jose you wana join my gang, if you know what i mean, my reason for not wanting CH was down to the fact he had never really maneged before, but i tell you what ,, that guy will alway be a top manager for me, a gentilman

    now pardew,, wiki might not be 100% but i tell you what the positions he finished in are corect on there, and well documented all over the web, he gets teams to play offs a lot, , thats just ok, nothing great
    he finished 9th in his first season at west ham, ok they got relegated the season after even if he was not the guy to take them down he sent them on there way,

    now if you take last season and this season, and dont look at the table,, for most of the matches, we played like a team that was in the bottom half of the table, and every week ppl said look at the table , look we are good, no one talked about how we played well as a team as we never played as a team, many moments f magic, iliverpool and chelsea both helped our position,,

    i sit and watch him move players around the pitch as if he is playing chess claudio got slated for this at chelsea, tinker man

    jonas is and never will be a DMC

    aita has played DMC RB LB

    does it make him a good coach because he can move a player around the pitch,, and most of the time to what affect?
    take swansea game, simpson goes off, fine
    why move santon from LB TO RB anita to LB from DMC to brin bigi on??
    i could understand simpson and anita to a degree, why not just sub anita for bigi 2 DMC players fresh legs
    why was santon moved, wich please watch the goal, anita was no where at LB, how often does he train there??
    that was just 1 of many crazy subs used by pardew that has no way of explaining
    he was trying to win the game so he made a defensive change

    the fulham game last year, i was in england with friends, first half not bad, secnd half we got hit by the same goal nearly every time, we could see it yet he couldnt,,

    sorry, the guy is not good enough and never will be,

    and ps i will not be the fan that says i told you so,, it hurts to much, he is killing my team, he is no better than JFK, JFK kept wimblton in the prem for many years with his shit football,, i hope we dont have 8 more years of this,

  • 200 croftus5678 // Nov 20, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    @196

    yep i agree perch has been decent at both cb and dm (much much improved) but i dont think i would stick him in regular

    and erm matty i think you have a good point about 192 there >.<

  • 201 mattyNUFC // Nov 20, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    but, 193, 194

    something tells me you just wanted that at 192 to be a real sentiment

  • 202 toonLYF // Nov 20, 2012 at 4:13 PM

    some fcker needs to ‘step up to the plate’. How much longer can we depend on Hatem and Demba?

    By the looks of it we’ll be lucky to start a total of 10 games this season with our first 11, due to Cabaye coming back to see Cheick leaving for ACON, probably within the same week.

    Come back Perchy! Anita or Bigi don’t really fill me with confidence in the centre of midfield just yet. Perch//Cabaye is alot more solid looking.

    Any more suspensions or injuries and my head will explooood.

  • 203 Rotonda heights // Nov 20, 2012 at 6:43 PM

    Stuart no9

    No what it is, I run a sports tour company http://www.sports-europe.co.uk
    and we have a team from Scotland (under 16?s) who want to play in a tournament in July / August and don’t want to travel too far. So if you know of anything that would be great. Cheers.




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