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We’ve Lost Two Home Games – That’s Unacceptable – Pardew

11:23 am, Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 264 Comments

Alan Pardew has come out today and said that Newcastle have entered the Europa League to try to win it, and he has also said that two successive home defeats is simply unacceptable,  for a club like Newcastle United

Alan Pardew – two home defeats unacceptable

Alan Pardew does not want to use the excuse of too many games being played this season, and he has struck a positive tone today in the local press, and the Newcastle manager had this to say:

“We have entered it to try to win it.” “That’s what we are trying to do so qualification is important.” “We didn’t have a philosophy to have it over and done with early.” “We just need to qualify.”

“We’re enjoying the Europa League.” “It’s the Premier League where we are slipping up.” “We have lost two home games which isn’t acceptable for us.” “We need to make sure we win.”

“It would also give us qualification so it is a big night for us.” “Southampton will probably have a day off then two nice training days leading into our game.” “For us it is a working day, it’s a game.”

“We get one recovery day and then Southampton so it makes it difficult for the squad and the staff to plan and it get it all right.” “But that’s the competition.” “We knew what it’s about so we have to do the best we can.”

Newcastle play Maritimo tomorrow night, and it seems like a win in that game will see us qualify in one of the two top places in Group D, and that would be a decent result, after losing three of our last four Premier League games at home.

But we also need to do well and play well at Southampton on Sunday afternoon, and try to get on a winning streak in the league.

Both the upcoming games are important for Newcastle for different reasons.

What do you think?

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264 responses so far ↓

  • 1 jayphoto // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:25 AM

    Amazing! Seen calls for pardew out and RDM in. Speechless! RDM plays some of the most negative football I’ve ever watched! Last night he started without a bloody striker! Baggies fans were glad to be rid of him!
    Wish this blog was for over 18s sometimes, might cut down the utter rubbish that’s posted!

  • 2 Indian Magpie // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:25 AM

    Mr Pardew? did u learn something or not

  • 3 Rotonda heights // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:26 AM

    Yes it is unacceptable but unlike poor old RDM we’ve got another 8 years of it!!!

  • 4 jayphoto // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    Poor RDM?? Chelsea spent 60m on attacking players in the summer and poor RDM went into a must win game against juve with no striker! There’s a reason he was fired from west brom too, very poor tactically, just sets out to not concede every game!

  • 5 Rotonda heights // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    jayphoto

    Sorry but that’s c..p RDM had WBA promoted playing fantastic stuff as he did at MK dons and unless I missed something did he not just win the CL and the FA cup and as we speak Chelsea lie 3rd!!!

    What’s a much older pardew won, oh yeah the johnson painter trophy!! Plus look at the stats we are the worst long ball team in the premiership and we are one of the the lowest scorers. That is real progress!!.

  • 6 Indian Magpie // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Jayphoto,

    I think they are all tounge in cheek comments

  • 7 Phatoon // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    Yawn,

    Anyway, back to game related stuff, what’s the best result for us tomorrow? A Bordeaux win, draw or loss? Discuss

  • 8 Rotonda heights // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    Jay

    Spain The most successful team in the world play 4 – 6 with no striker.

    You could give Pulis, Allardyce and pardew fortunes and they would all blow it on a dinosaur old fashioned target man like Carroll and never get higher than mid table.. Rodgers is no mug.

  • 9 Toon Tang // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    yes pardew WE KNOW

  • 10 rainrix // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    Rotonda…. WBA really weren’t playing good football under RDM, in case you forgot he was sacked in their 1st season back. Also give me the players chelsea have and i could have them 3rd in the league as well.

    Its hard to go to wrong when your 1st team breaks the 200mil mark.

  • 11 Indian Magpie // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    Rohan Kotiankar ?@Rohandgunner21
    Chelsea FC you are nothing Without Money…..

    How Rude

  • 12 roshan MAGPIE // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    I think its time for abrahmovic to become the manager of his team cause all the other things like transfers are done by him the only thing left to do is to manage the team which he bought

    I think its time for owners to become the managers ha ha ha ha

  • 13 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    Jay – the sad thing is some of these people would be normal adults that are expected to function in society.

    Some people calling Chelsea a joke for having 9 managers in 8 years, then go on to say Pardew out.

    Lets see…
    1. Sir bobby
    2. Graeme souness
    3. Glenn roeder
    4.Sam allardyce
    5.Kevin Keegans
    6.Joe kinnear
    7.Alan shearer
    8.Chris hughton
    9.Alan pardew

    9 managers in 9 years. And Yous want a tenth!!
    Sacking Pardew would prove that Newcastle fans are messed up in the head. You cannot get success without either having money or stability. It’s one or the other.

  • 14 Rotonda heights // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    Sorry phatoon,

    Do you have something useful to add to a forum or should you be back with the inbetweeners?

  • 15 jayphoto // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    Great stuff/? No, he got them promoted playing a defensive 4-5-1 with a big man up front in Bednar! I work in Birmingham 10 days a month, got a lot of baggie friends and they were glad to see the back of him and say Hodgson played better football! His team sheet last night was a joke, a squad like Chelsea should go to win any game, hes far too cautious and has now been found out in 2 jobs!
    The pardew out crap is ridiculous! He’s working without so many senior players, I guarentee if he’d had a choice in the summer he’d have brought players in! Its only November too! Don’t think any manager should be sacked before January! If we sacked pardew Wed go back to being a laughing stock

  • 16 Rotonda heights // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:42 AM

    Chelsea are the current CL champions so it really doesn’t matter who they have in charge does it, they’re still very successful so the stability argument doesn’t really hold. Especially stability with mediocrity.

    Over the same time frame we have had a succession of possibly the worst managers it’s been any club’s misfortune to befall. SBR and KK excluded. Souness, Dalglish and Roeder were initially successful but ran out of steam and ideas and up started all the excuses.

  • 17 stuart no9 // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    typical AP rubbish being spouted. already lining up his excuse in case we get beat off southampton ” southampton will have a day off then 2 nice training days” listen to his post match interview if we do get beat against saints. also the obvious excuses that we were tired , even though we are at home on thursday and we always play a 2nd team anyway will no doubt arise. i am beginning to wish we were knocked out f this europa league, just to hear what his excuses would be then, however, i dont think we will haveto wait too long, man c- chelsea- and more decent sides are about to enter the fray,

  • 18 Blaydon-Toon // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    Ashley will stick with Pards as we should even if we got a so called top name manager we would still have to abide by the financial constraints put in place by Ashley … So in a nutshell buying young and cheap with potential to sell on at a profit ! We would all like us to go and buy top players but we have done that in the past and it has got us nowhere ! 2 quality signings in Jan would give us a massive boost 3 even better but can’t see that happening !

  • 19 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    Stability doesn’t bring success. Stability brings stability!

    Other than Ferguson who has had success with stability?

    What’s Arsene won recently? Moyes too?

    Only investment in quality brings success. Pardew has neither!

  • 20 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    Why do we care so much what other people think?

    So we sack Pardew and become a laughing stock! So what?! I don’t care what other fans think of my club as long as my club becomes successful.

    The reason we are a laughing stock is because we never do the right thing!

  • 21 stuart no9 // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    RDM ” VERY POOR TACTICALLY ” so thats how you win the champions league and the fa cup. i wish pards was VERY POOR TACTICALLY ” we might win the league . ha ha ha , what a load of tosh.

  • 22 Rotonda heights // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:51 AM

    Jay

    If you have local knowledge of RDM I stand corrected.
    However, does Pardew’s record suggest stability? To me it is anything but.

    1 good season then followed by an awful one, 3 times in 3 different jobs from which has been sacked. No silverware to speak of.

    Let’s face it with an owner who no creditable manager will work for, this is as good as it gets.

  • 23 obatoyou // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    It wasn’t a must win game for Chelsea, they’ll still qualify, very surprising to me, last season they didn’t sack manager till far too late, guess they’re nipping it in the bud

  • 24 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    So were talking about RDM being poor tactically?

    Why defend Pardew then?! If RDM has been sacked due to poor tactics and results, why defend our manager who has worse tactics and worse results?!

  • 25 catchy in norway // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:56 AM

    catchy in norway // Nov 21, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    i think you can look at alan shearer and ruud boy,, they took a gamble and it didnt pay off,

    pardew should keep his nose out of it, esp when he has a big problem on his hands at our club

    but on RDM, was he really the guy for that job? hey he is 3rd in the league, and from that point of view it seems harsh, but the players he has, they could be 3rd without him,
    he won the ECL cup and when i talk about luck for our club, there was none more luckier than him,

    i think the job was to big for him

    on the shola from last thread,, does it surprise anyone, he is always injured,

    i know i said last night i wouldnt say anything about pardew, but he is at it again,, he is preparing us (fans) for the loss, they have had more days rest, they this, 1 day recovery,, all tosh, these should be amaonst the fittest ppl on the planet, we are not asking them to play 7 days a week, and lets face other than HBA and santon, how many in our team are doing much running lately?

  • 26 Rotonda heights // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    comment 24

    here , here!!
    a lot of hypocrisy going on

  • 27 jayphoto // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    Problem is, if you sack Pardew, who could you bring in? Not many candidates better than AP who would want it! Beardsleys got the reserves playing some cracking football mind, also think Gary Neville will make a top manager! Solksjaer turned down villa, its likely he’d also turn us down! Wed end up with JFK back

  • 28 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    Stuart – if you want newcastle to be knocked out of the Europa league just to see what Pardews excuses will be, that says a lot about you as a fan. Or moreso that you are not a fan.

    Seriously, you guys are ridiculous. All you do is slag people off and then wait untill you can say I told you so.

    You are so bothered with your “I told you so” moment, Yous are forgetting to support the team.

  • 29 fray bentos // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    haha more contradictions by the legion of doom

    Apparently Pardew getting 5th last season doesn’t matter as he played negative football

    But its fine for Di Matteo to do the same last season

    Yeah pardew didn’t win anything but he wasn’t managing Chelsea

  • 30 fray bentos // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:09 PM

    Stuart no9 = you should be ashamed of yourself

  • 31 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    You leave the blog for the morning and when you come all hell is broken lose…

    …Chelsea really are a puzzle (most be the worse working place in the line of football)

    If we could use this for anything, maybe it’s life in football is just too short for negative football – you never know what’s going to happen so why not be adventurous while your at it 😀

    …Pardew size the day my friend (do the unexpected the coming weeks and see where it takes us)

  • 32 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    *seize

  • 33 catchy in norway // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:12 PM

    Conaldo

    you can look at it as being messed up in the head, but you can also look at it as should you continue flogging a dead horse
    in my normal mood id be screaming right now, but im just trying to see both sides,,

    in some cases 2 years is not enough, a new guy wants to build his own team and be judged on that, at this minut i would say his team is 90% there, so i think he should be judged on what we see
    santon
    BA
    cisse
    HBA
    marv
    obertan
    bigi
    abied
    cabaye
    anita
    romain
    good
    are all his signings
    KRUL
    colo
    jonas
    tiote
    he rates as some of the best players in the prem(as do i) he made colo captain and jonas vice captain, premoted krul to no1 keeper
    and lets face it most of these deals where done last season, this season would have been nice to get replacements for both simson and willamson, well there didnt even need replaced , just upgraded and kept as back up,,

    so from a player point of view i think he is pretty close to what he wanted,

    i believe this season was more about him proving he can use the players and get them playing better football

    you know you can go defensive and play counter attack football, we dont even do this, it is and has always been route 1,,

    right now is al about his coaching abilities, not what he achieved last season or what and why he got fired from his previouse jobs,, its all about him

    i hope that this is a more balanced view frm me

  • 34 Rotonda heights // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    That’s the trouble we are stuck with mediocrity because no decent manager will work for Ashley.

    It sucks that a home crowd of 50000 have no control over our destiny or our appalling choice in managers down the years.

    It’s a horrible situation where a man who in reality has achieved very little is virtually unsackable just because no one better would take the gig.

    A club our size should have a top banana, not be a poisoned chalice.

  • 35 Rotonda heights // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:18 PM

    Fray

    Leaving our sharply contrasting opinions apart for a minute , do you honestly think pardew and his brand of route 1 will :-

    1) Really progress us to the top 4
    2) Stagnate us in safe mid table
    3) Go backwards

  • 36 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    Anyway, it’s been lovely chatting, but i have to go. Give me some warning if I need to sharpen my pitchfork please.

  • 37 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    Rotonda

    Do you not think we would get a good manager?

    I don’t think we would get managers like mourinho, Mancini, Capello, you know those regarded at the top of their field.

    But I think we could get a Martin jol level of manager. Or a good up and coming manager who has done well at smaller clubs.

    Ashley isn’t the best owner but he is not the worst. He rewards success.

    He may not give you 20mil a season but how many teams to get that? Not many.

    By the way guys….I am not calling for Pardews head with this post. I think he is the right man for us just saying if he were to go I think we could get a good alternative.

  • 38 catchy in norway // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    Conaldo

    also, im not saying this will happen, but it could, should we keep pardew if we go down, would this also go against the grain of looking silly,,

    if we didnt get relegeated and floated around the bottom, would this season be classed as a success ?

    you want to keep the manager, but what would it take for you to say hmmm,,, ye the guy has had a chance,, maybe we need a different way as this isnt working out,,

    us negers get asked who we would we replace him with and try and answer,
    it should only be fair for some of you guys to say what is your point of no return for him??

  • 39 stuart no9 // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:24 PM

    jay @ 27 why do you think no top manager would want to come to newcastle.?

  • 40 catchy in norway // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:24 PM

    Transfer Sage

    potential replacement , haha ,, ole gunner,, honest i think he would do great

  • 41 fray bentos // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    Rotonda i thought my views weren’t worth s**t to you so why you asking me a question

    regarding your multi-choice i can’t really answer with one option but i will comment on each option

    1) Possible but unlikely, as its so difficult to get into the top 4 especially with a lack of funds
    2) Possibly
    3) Possible but unlikely, give that last season he proved he can get results from nothing

  • 42 catchy in norway // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    fray bentos

    your views are as good as anyones, just cos there not mine or his dont make them wrong,

    stick to your guns if you think your right,, hold your hands up if your wrong,
    we all make mistakes, we all love the club

  • 43 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    The very fact that some people are looking at the RDM sacking as Chelsea showing ambition indicates just how ridiculously deluded some fans are.

    Someone says that they don’t care what are club’s reputation is as long as we’re successful, but as far as I can remember we have tried the whole “it’s not working out after 6 months so sack him” philosophy and that hasn’t brought us much success, so I think MA is, correctly in my view, trying the “let’s give the manager some time and stability” in an attempt to bring success.

    RDM being sacked isn’t a blueprint we should be looking to follow (because NUFC of all teams should know it doesn’t work) and let’s be real here, Chelsea have sacked a man who won 2 trophies last year!! So how can anyone think that Abramovich has done the right thing and that we should be looking to do the same.

    Some of you are just insane.

  • 44 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    Catchy – If we were in or very close to the relegation zone by the end of February, Pardew can go.

  • 45 fray bentos // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:39 PM

    @Catchy

    Haha don’t know if that last line was a sneaky little jibe or not but i liked it anyway

  • 46 catchy in norway // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    Conaldo

    ok

    good to know you wont just follow him blindly, just so we dont look bad sacking another manager

    feb might be to late, is my only concern,

    if we finished 15th, this season, would you look to replace him in the summer? knowing that hes had 2.5 seasons to get the team playing better football,

  • 47 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:41 PM

    In keeping with the “give Pardew a break” mantra I have stumbled across another article that backs me up in my assertion that we played much better against Swansea than the result indicates.

    http://www.newcastleunited.us/2012/11/mythbusters-ben-arfa-and-others-against-swansea-131.html?

  • 48 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:41 PM

    Ruddy

    I think the sacking was always going to happen really.

    He was only given the job as he won those trophies last year, not because of how he won them, if that makes sense.

    Abramovich liked mourinho winning everything, then after a few years he got sick as he wasn’t entertained enough through games and they parted ways.

    Since then he has spent a fortune on players and managers to get them playing a certain way.

    Think they fact they are almost out the champions league has turned the tide against di matteo.

    The difference for chelsea is they can still be competitive sacking the manager every year because they have the fudns to buy the new man players, we don’t, we need to build slow so therefore its crucial we have the right manager and keep him for a long time to build the club.

    I think Pardew is the right man and we will improve but I know some people dont. There is no history to suggest pardew sticks around and builds up a club over time but I feel there is someting about him which will do it with us, just a gut feeling.

  • 49 catchy in norway // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    fray bentos

    nothing sneaky, i ment it,, 😉

    we are all in this boat together, we just need to find the right direction and start rowing together

    where this is a will there is a way, no problems only solutions,,
    am i going on a bit now

  • 50 stuart no9 // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    conaldo @ 28 come down off the clouds bonny lad . let me explain . when i was a teenager , like you are now, i could not stand people slagging my team off, that was in the mid sixties. as you get older and wiser , as im sure that in time you will, you too will understand what it is like to support your team for over 45 years and have nothing to show for it. now my betting is you have supported the toon since, say-2005 and your still learning about being a supporter, nothing wrong with that, however try to make sure the comments you write are some where near true , or dont write them at all. will you be here on this blog in 45 years time ? some how i dont think so, why ? because when you get wiser and your team still havnt won owt , you would have had enough and bagged it. now getting back to the europa cup. i think thats a fair comment, as we havnt got the playing staff for the league and the europa cup , so by getting knocked out of europe would give our chances of climbing up the league a bit of a boost, whats more important to you.? so scrap all this ” your not a supporter “mullarky untill you have supported them for nearly 50 years. and im still here!

  • 51 fray bentos // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    Thanks ruddy!!!

    Completely justfies what ive been saying since Saturday, was starting to think i was losing the plot or something

    Also says something about Cabaye not being the team

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    Catchy

    for me I am with conaldo, if we look in genuine danger (points on the board not jsut playing bad) around february then maybe look to replace.

    As a season goal Anything below 12th then look for a summer replacement. Unless we are playing some good football and can see there is an improvement. It’s not a black and white decision for me.

  • 53 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    Sage

    Ok, I can accept that perhaps the Chelsea sacking of RDM may have been inevitable given the framework that Abramovich operates, but that doesn’t mean that we, as NUFC fans, should laud it as “ambitious” or a “step in the right direction” that we should be looking to replicate.

    Stability, if not guaranteeing success, will provide a strong foundation for either Pardew or his successor (whenever that may be) to try and achieve it. Snap decisions and rash firings are not the way forward as we should all well know.

    I too believe that Pards is the man who can do that for us, time will tell.

  • 54 catchy in norway // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    i said it was much better what i saw, until he started to make changes,
    i only seen the 2nd half, and yes shola came on then ,, i kow

  • 55 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:47 PM

    Also, get a does of the intense patronising going on between stuart and conaldo.

    How about you come to an agreement, Conaldo you come off your cloud if Stuart comes off his high horse.

  • 56 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:49 PM

    Fray

    I dont thin anyone really disputed the fact that we were better against swansea, it was clear I thought it was better than west hame.

    The problem was swansea had players who were maybe rated lower than ours but played so much better stuff.

    It’s not the fact that we didn’t win for me, its that for some reason pardew isn’t getting the best out of what is available.

    I dont wank him sacked at all, just tim improve.

    I accecpt 5th is not a target at the moment as we have had injuries but I think it would be realistic for is to be playng better and be around 8/9th. (i know we aren’t many points off that spot but its the performances too)

  • 57 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:50 PM

    Catchy

    The second half was a bit more disappointing, but unlike some, I say that Pardew is allowed to make mistakes and try and learn from them. Given that, however, we still had enough of the ball to win the game, and it was the inability to put the ball in the net that cost us the game against Swansea.

    Ba missed a couple of very scoreable chances, and HBA was unlucky with a couple of efforts, on another day we could have been 2 up by half time and sailing to victory. As it were, we were caught by a strong counter attacking side twice and as a result we lost the game.

    Personally, I don’t blame Pards, it was just one of those games.

  • 58 catchy in norway // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    Transfer Sage

    id agree, but if we dont finish top 10 for me, that is criminal with the players he has right now,

    as with RDM, i think its only time now, but i can wait, it would be very hard for him to start playing a more fluid attacking style, it would save his job, but it would also make him look a fool for taking so long to see the light,,

    i believe he has backed hiself into a corner and can not win which ever way he turns, he is to stuborn to back down :(

  • 59 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    ruddy

    yeh it isn’t the way forward for us at all sacking all the time.

    A club with our spending power needs a constant manager who runs things from first team to the under 10s to make sure his style is implemented throughout everyone there so yougnsters can come into the first team much easier when they are needed.

    A club like chelsea/madrid can be successful chopping and changing as the manager just buys 5/6 people a year.

  • 60 catchy in norway // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    i do blame him

    i thought his subs where all wrong,

    santon did not need to be moved from LB, anita was caught out for the second goal,, he just stud there,

    he made a defensive sub before an attacking one,
    bigi before marve,

    i thnk that had a huge part to play in us loosing the game

  • 61 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    Sage

    Spot on, my sentiments exactly. Thankfully, I think the powers that be at our club share those sentiments too.

    Now, this take on running the club, may not result in success but we owe it to at least give it a chance. If we were no further forward then I would be asking questions.

  • 62 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    A major problem is that nobody wanted Pardew at the start as we all though he was a poor manager.

    Now wears split into 2 groups, pro and anti Pardew.

    Pro Pardew people, would you not rather have a manager we could all unite behind?

    We all united behind Bobby in the good times and behind Hoots in the bad so surely the only way to unite again, get the terraces singing and bouncing once more, to bring back belief is to have a manger we are all proud of?!

    Take away the poor results and tactics, bizarre press statements and bull shit and surely we still have good reason to get a new manager.

    If we had a young exciting manager who said he wanted in the next 8 years to build a team capable of winning the title and brough a brand of quality football that saw us excited and at tones deflated, who sometimes managed top 6 and at others top 10 but showed progress and tactical prowess we would all be united and the greatness would be returned.

    It is the only way we can be Newcastle United again

  • 63 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    Catchy

    Well I disagree, and those subs were only like 5mins apart. If you think that was the reason we lost this game then I would suggest that you are nit picking at facts to twist them in an attempt to blame everything on Pardew.

    Defensively we were caught out for the second goal. LB or RB Anita knows how to play at FB and should have done better, that is a player’s mistake, not the manager’s.

    As for Marv, I have not been convinced by him at all so I was not up in arms when he didn’t come on. Pards is hampered by lack of options, if he had Obertan I think he would have brought him on before Bigi.

  • 64 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    Ruddy

    what is success for us though?

    i dont think the league is (too many teams have so much more money that us), i think maybe a cup is the best we can hope for with consistent europa league.

    I don’t know if pardew is right or not, I have a feeling he is but not 100% sure.

    I think there is obviously a point we would get to where he would have to go but currently I dont think he is anywhere near it.

  • 65 stuart no9 // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    ruddy @ 55 yep thats a good compromise, however i was just replying to conaldos initial comment.

  • 66 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    The decision to replace in the summer would depend on so many things its impossible to say now. If we finished in the bottom half, it needs to be talked about. But it would depend on how the season went. Were there long term injuries that affected us. How did we fare in the other competitions, was he allowed to improve he squad in January.

    I think we can all see something isn’t quite right. The cause of what is wrong is what is causing the debate.
    I think the blame rests on a combination of the players underperforming, the injuries so far, the disruption to training that Europa is causing, and Ashley’s reluctance to spend in the summer. After all that, I believe come Pardew. In that order.

    Stuart – yes, you have supported Newcastle for alot longer than I have, and I can appreciate your frustration. I was a young lad during the keegan era, and so wasn’t too involved with Newcastle. So the start of my supporting was under the keegan, and more so under sir bobby.
    I’ve still had 15 years of supporting Newcastle, and we haven’t won anything in my lifetime. All we’ve had in my time was the highs of keegan and Robson, and then the “revolving door” of managers started, resulting in our relegation. So I’m sure you can understand my reluctance to changing managers. I don’t blindly follow Pardew, I know that changing managers and having our 10th manager in 9 years, will not be good for the club.

    But saying stuff like you wish/hope (can’t remember what exactly you said) we get kicked out the EL to hear Pardews excuses just sounds like blind hatred of the guy.
    If you have supported Newcastle for 45 years without winning anything, what’s a couple more years sticking with a manager? Who knows, it might even bring us all a trophy.

  • 67 jayphoto // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    @ruddy- personally think they were wrong to give RDM the job in the first place! Abramovich didn’t want him and he only got the job after the champions league win! Regardless of his achievement, if the Chelsea board didn’t trust or want him then they shdnt have given him the job in the first place, he was always sat on a ticking time bomb!
    Pardew is a very different case,he has the backing of the board , we have had horrific injuries, you don’t go from being manager of the year to awful in 3 months

  • 68 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    Ruddy – I like it up here in the clouds though, it’s fluffy and warm :)

  • 69 Ian Toon // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:08 PM

    Transfer Sage- These are indeed strange times! Your posts increasingly appear well thought out and balanced. Which is more than can be said for :
    Rotonda- I gave you a chance to compare the fortunes of Ian Holloway with Pardew. But given that you always head for cover and an irrelevant post you chose Glen Roeder. You lack cedibility because you have no substance behind your posts. You go for the soft populism approach of “sack the board.”

  • 70 Ian Toon // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    Credibility

  • 71 fray bentos // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    @Catchy

    Big part of Santons game is his offensive play right?

    maybe he was moved over there to give the oppositions other side a go at defending against him, jsut a thought

    We can’t completely judge why some manager make certain decisions, quite often they might seem strange but if they were all so obvious then the oppositions will not know what to do to counteract it, again just a thought

  • 72 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    Stuart

    It just seemed that you were pulling rank, we are all equal NUFC fans on this blog.

    Conaldo

    If you;re happy there fella then by all means stay there, I am sure you’ll prob see some of the “Pardew out” brigade up there as a lot of them have their heads in the clouds….ohhhhh I went there! 😛 haha

    Sage

    That’s the big question, what are we willing to accept as “success” from Pardew? Well victory in a trophy would surely be counted as success, and I feel that if we stick with Pardew, by 2020 we’ll definitely win a cup. Some would argue that waiting until 2020 for a trophy is too long, but we’ve been waiting since 1969 for any trophy and since 1955 for a domestic cup, so waiting another 8 years with one manager isn’t all that incredulous if it meant it would bring a trophy.

    All clubs reach a point where the manager has brought them as far as he can go, Pards is nowhere even close to that point. Wenger on the other hand is very near that point (if not past it)

    Jayphoto

    I completely agree, RA had to give RDM the job after winning the CL, and he demonstrated how much he wanted rid of him by sacking a man after only 4 months into the season.

  • 73 Rotonda heights // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:17 PM

    Ian Toon

    Sorry I must missed your post

    Did your post lack any interesting comment as I must admit I never noticed it. Try upping the excitement level of your posts rather than the condescending, I know best drivel

    Why the hell would I run for cover????What the hell does Holloway have to do with Pardew and Roeder.

    I guess you are trying to make a rather laboured and random point but just for you Holloway never had the likes of Ba, Cisse, Benny, Tiote, Cabaye, Santon, Krul, Colo, Jonas et al.

  • 74 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:20 PM

    Ruddy – they keep popping in every now and then. Very rude.
    On the plus side, I can get a good view when the angry mob starts marching towards st James. I’ll provide commentary. :)

  • 75 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    Conaldo

    That revelation could put you in serious danger, you occupy what is known as an “essential strategic position” when the horsemen of the apocalypse rise up to tear the false God Alan “Silverfox” Pardew from his thrown in St James’ Park, you will be essential in the battle…

    Too much? 😛

  • 76 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    Ruddy

    Yeh pardew can take us further I feel. What I think may benefit him (although I like carver) would be to bring in a continental assistant manager like fergie did at man utd.

    Wenger is a strange one. I think he could have arsenal league and European champions if he was backed by the board.

    If they had decided to keep clichy, adebeyor, nasri, toure, fabregas and van persie and the added the likes of corzola, giroud, podolski, etc they would be brilliant.

    The problem is they sell the main man or men every season for nearly 5 years now.

    He may always say he has money but in sure that’s more to keep the players happy and think they can add if they want more so than actually having it.

  • 77 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Sage

    Wenger has nearly total control of that club, I think he is complicit with the “sell to buy” policy that is going on at Arsenal at the moment. I don’t think it is a case of not being backed, more than a let’s finish as high as possible with as cheap a squad as possible and I think it was this lack of ambition that forced the likes of Song, Fabregas and Van Persie to question the long term ideals of Arsenal football club.

    I could be totally wrong but it’s how I see it.

  • 78 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    Ruddy – we’ll just wait and see when the angry mob starts lighting there torches. :)

  • 79 Rotonda heights // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    Fray

    I like to give everyone a second chance to prove they’re not a complete dickhead.

  • 80 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:28 PM

    Who let the bully back on? Next he’ll be telling everyone to be happy. Sickening individual.

    So, how you doing Ruddy?

  • 81 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    Ruddy

    I see it as the board.

    It all changed when David dean left and the majority owner changed and too more control.

    Why would we get care about money? Surely any manager would take not rid offered it. At the very least not sell their own by choice.

    Also I think they are using player sales to help fund the new stadium. That’s when all these sales began.

  • 82 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    Who let you off your fence?!! I can see you from my cloud.

  • 83 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM

    We get should be wenger…useless phone

  • 84 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    Lets shape this forum up a bit 😉

    Okay, it’s sing a-long time. Try to follow – here we go:

    (The Captain sings):
    Nobody likes me
    It’s all my fault
    Nobody likes me
    Nobody likes me

    (The Lemon Crew sings):
    Oh yes we all like you
    We like you a lot
    Yes we all like you
    Yes we all like you

    (The Captain sings):
    I never get a letter

    (The Lemon Crew sings):
    We have no time

    (The Captain sings):
    Never ever get a call from you

    (The Lemon Crew sings):
    We have no dime

    (The Captain sings):
    Oh yes you do (x 3)

    (The Lemon Crew sings):
    Oh no we don’t (x 3)

    (The Captain the the Crew sings):
    Yes! No! Yes! No! (etc.)

    (The Captain sings):
    Never call, never write

    (The Lemon Crew sings):
    Yes we do always try

    (The Captain sings):
    Make me cry all the night

    (The Lemon Crew sings):
    Sorry we made you cry

    (The Captain sings):
    Make me mad, Make me sad
    Tell me true, what can I do?

    (The Lemon Crew sings):
    Way too late can’t make up
    All the hate has built up
    Ha ha ha ha aaah

    (The Lemon Crew sings):
    Right we all like you
    We like you a lot
    We like all your family
    We like your dog Spot

    (The Captain sings):
    Even Spot?

    (The Lemon Crew sings):
    Yes!

    😀

  • 85 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:32 PM

    Wizard….You must be seeing the wrong person. I’m still on my fence, the courts ordered it and I wouldn’t want to fall short of the law.

  • 86 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:32 PM

    Good afternoon comrade Ibiza, holding the fort while I enjoyed, yet another, sabbatical?

    I know, I understand the sentiments, sometimes I sicken myself with how positive I am, wish I could have somewhere to rest, something to sit on, like a fence of some sort. You wouldn’t happen to know of a good fence to sit on would you lad? 😛

    Just messing with ye! I’m not too bad, been reading the blog, conceded the name to the fake Ruddy but when he isn’t about I thought I’d use it haha

    How things over in Ibiza?

  • 87 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:33 PM

    I think Jesper has finally gone completely insane :)

    No he hasn’t

    Yes he has he has (x3)

  • 88 Ian Toon // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:33 PM

    Catchy- Your measurement of whether Pardew is a success or not!!
    Far too simplistic. NUFC has a 5 year plan and investment constraints which limits transfer purchases. All with a view to achieving self sufficiency. If the team exceed expectations and finish 5th and gain a Europa place with the manager then receiving an 8 year contract you have to assume that Ashley is delighted with progress. Not too much thought about the quality of the football factored in ! I would appreciate in your response if you could please just address the above pointers as I am we’ll aware of your other issues. Kindly avoid the temptation to put it all down to luck or happenstance and Pardew’s run out of both type of response because you lack credibility. I could even accept Transfer Sage’s let’s give him at least till the end of the season.
    To help you need to remember that AP is charged with building the whole club ie from the grass roots. So player development, success in transfer market etc should feature. Please no more than 1,000 words.

  • 89 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:33 PM

    Sorry Jesper…I’m not one to take part in sing a longs. Good effort though.

  • 90 fray bentos // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:34 PM

    @Rotonda

    Great im overcome with joy

  • 91 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    Wizard…this forum has gone slightly mad (it’s contagious) 😉 lol

    Ibiza…last time I checked you were part of the lemon crew, so sing damnit! Sing!!!

  • 92 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    Ibiza…is it because you don’t like me? :(

  • 93 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    Sage

    Like I said, it’s just my way of seeing it, I could be completely off the beaten path and from what you’ve said I think you could be closer to the truth than I am, I just find it strange how content he seems to be to sell his main players without replacing them with players of similar quality.

    Cazorla, Podolski and Giroud, while very good players are nowhere near the standard of Fabregas, Van Persie (although Podolski is better than Nasri)

    Santos or Clichy? Koscielny or Toure?

    Wenger has seen his title winning squad stripped and replaced with poorer players, and while Arsenal still get into the top 4 I think both Wenger and the board are happy, if they were to consistently fall outside of it then action may be taken.

    But Arsenal aren’t my club so I don’t really care but it is interesting to compare clubs at times.

  • 94 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    Dammit Ibiza you upset Jesper. Now sing along.
    Oh yes we all like you
    We like you a lot
    Yes we all like you

    Ibiza sing dammit!!

    :)

  • 95 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    Ian

    I think every manager should be given a yearly review then decide if they stay in the job.

    But like I say it’s more than just position. Either achieve a good position with poor football, a slighlty lower position with good football and signs it will improve, or middle ground. I do think we should not finish lower than 12th this year though and i’m sure we will be around 5-8th come the end of the season.

    But the only time we need to consider sacking a manager mid season is if their is a genuine danger of relegation post january.

  • 96 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    Ruddy….Sorry mate, no idea where you could find such a thing :)

    All good in Ibiza, sun still holding out somewhat and things are starting to slow down…at last. Perfect timing for the fight against negativity!

    Good to have you back, even if it is part time….you lazy so and so.

  • 97 mattyNUFC // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    same old same old

    i think i’m done debating (bar pardew spewing excuses again)

    I’ll support pardew if he gets this team, injuries or suspensions or otherwise included, playing the way it very well CAN

    If we go on a ten-game win streak and each of us know we haven’t changed a single thing and barely deserved a point in some of them, i’ll still hold harsh criticisms

    It’s his job. he’s getting paid to do it. Now, more than ever, he needs to find a new formula, screw the hoof ball/awful substitutions/faith in misfiring ‘purples’/excuses/arrogance and get us playing football again. the wins will come with the right type of mentality. If they don’t, hell, at least we’re being entertained

    let’s put out some good fringe players tomorrow and play ATTACKING football. Maritimo will make us pay if we don’t. We never deserved the full 3 at their place

    HTL!

  • 98 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    ruddy

    true, arsenal are like a second club for me, used to really enjoy watching them 4/5 years ago.

    I would say that none of us really know, your idea is as good as mine.

    I think wenger is similar to pardew on transfers, might try his best to get the players he wants but ultimately the board hold all the cards.

  • 99 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:49 PM

    Okay okay, let me do my warm up exercises first.

    La la la la la la la.
    Nnnnnnnnnn.
    MMmmmmmmm.
    do re mi fa so la ti do.

    Sorted.

    “Cause I like you,
    Yeah I like you.
    And I’m feeling so Bohemian like you,
    Yeah I like you,
    Yeah I like you,
    And I feel wahoo, wahoo, wahoo! “

  • 100 Ian Toon // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    Rotonda- Thank you for finding the time to respond.

  • 101 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    To the lemon crew…well done lads! 😀

    …now Ibiza…up on the fence again

    Wizard…go do some wizard stuff

  • 102 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:53 PM

    Sage

    Arsenal were like a second club to me too, remember the Invincibles? Quite simply the greatest team to grace the PL bar none (even the Entertainers) in my humble opinion.

    The reason I look at Arsenal now though is that I feel they are the club that we are trying to emulate and as such would be interesting to try and get a handle of how they run things.

    Ibiza

    Seems like the fight against negativity has come around much sooner than it did last year, and now we have to contend with the ridiculous calls for Pardew’s head, fuelled, not dampened by, the ludicrous sacking of RDM.

    Depending on whether fake Ruddy gives it a rest or not, I might have to even make a new name, slip under his ever so clever radar.

  • 103 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:54 PM

    Jesper

    Have I missed something? The Lemon Crew…. :O is there a clique that I am not a part of!?

    …. :(

  • 104 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:55 PM

    ruddy

    I would settle for champs league every year even if we didn’t get a trophy.

  • 105 Munster Mag // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:55 PM

    Transfer, I tend to agree, and want Pards to succeed although the more i read his excuses and watch his football, the more I think that this man got soooo lucky to get the NUFC job – I still wonder what the criteria were? Either way, Chelsea are mad.

  • 106 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:55 PM

    Captain….If you’re going to insist on coming up and down then I request a ladder.

    Matty….I think we all need to lay certain issues to rest for a little bit, let’s at least wait and see what the next few games gives us before we start again. It’s good to debate, but we also need to notice when we’re banging our heads against a brick wall or wooden fence and I don’t know about you, but my head hurts enough from the past week.

  • 107 mattyNUFC // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    my head’s throbbing

  • 108 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    Sage

    Continuously qualifying for CL without a trophy? Yes please.

  • 109 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    Ruddy…Under fake Ruddys radar? I don’t think it’s possible, so you should save your energy. He is a far superior being to you, time to face facts.

  • 110 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 21, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    I told my lass there was a wizard on the famous Newcastle United blog and to my dismay she revealed a wizards sleeve of her own :) . Thank you I’m here all week 😉

  • 111 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:00 PM

    Matty

    Frustration is understandable, while results aren’t going your way and the football isn’t necessarily great then it is obviously going to grate on you. Personally I thought the Swansea game was a major improvement in terms of style, we just lacked a bit of guile in the final third, but I am confident that we are on the right track, or at least making shapes to getting on the right track.

    Ibiza

    That is true, why hadn’t the penny dropped before? I mean he was clever enough to steal my name, it’s not as if that’s easy to do…

  • 112 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:01 PM

    Ruddy…we are not allowed to call it a clique in here (that means we are excluding someone) 😉

    …ppB started it! It’s a long story. When it is story-telling time I’ll tell it 😀 (take not people it doesn’t end with the sing a-long) lol

    Ruddy…I am always looking for hired deck; I need a Powder-Monkey 😉

    It is all just good fun – it takes the stream of things (like now…)

  • 113 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:02 PM

    *not = note

  • 114 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:03 PM

    Matty…. :) Let’s hope Pardew saves us having to go through it all again then…

  • 115 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    Jesper

    Ahem I’ll try again. Is there a totally open and non-restrictive group that I am not a part of!?!

    Jesper, I’d gladly be your Powder Monkey…some could easily mistake that for a euphemism. 😛

    Ohhhh what a feeellinnnggg
    When we’re dancing on the ceiling (of the ship) 😉

  • 116 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    Ruddy…Absolutely. He has shown us all how masterful he is, acceptance is the only way forward.

    Jesper…..I have news from ppb. He is safe, but is awful at fifa 13. That is all.

    ppb…If you’re reading, stay away, no one is interested in your version of events.

  • 117 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:10 PM

    I have got it.

    If people don’t all stay calm I am going back to posting constant rumours. All genuine but never reliable.

    Just you lot wait until the January window opens.

  • 118 Graeme // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:10 PM

    Why cant we just have the birdy song – keep everyone happy and contented??

  • 119 mattyNUFC // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

    never feel down, fake Ruddy. A number of people (myself included….i’m a big fan) really love your being here and serves as a constant reminder to the division the real Ruddy served up on this blog at one point and what a total pr!ck that guy was behind the keyboard.

    true he serves up only subtle bouts from time to time but you, fake Ruddy, are here to keep him in check, and for that i thank you

    and this is in no way facetious, fake Ruddy. I also really appreciate the first rule of fake ruddy: never acknowledge there is a ‘fake’ ruddy. Keep up the great work

  • 120 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    TS…..I’m actually surprised how often you comment at the minute. Shouldn’t you be resting up for your month in the spotlight? 😉

  • 121 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    Ibiza

    It comes from being bored and work and needing something to do when I wander around the office.

    Also nobody seemed to care for my transfer gossip so I just stopped.

    Although I do have some interesting but vague things to say, I will say them for that mad month after Christmas

  • 122 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    Well said Matty. That real Ruddy needs to be kept in order. Bloomin’ optimistic bully that he is. I can’t stand people that have their own opinion on stuff.

    I’m sure it’s clear, but yes, I am be slightly facetious.

  • 123 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    TS – it kept us all entertained in the summer anyway.

  • 124 mattyNUFC // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    ruddy (real, i presume)

    i read some earlier things you said about the Swansea game and i can honestly see how some might interpret that as promising…all opinion but whereas we did have a lot of the ball and were pressing, in the final third and even in the middle, we looked absolutely clueless (imo). never looked meaningful, our sole hope was HBA and even he could have played better, but of course there wasn’t a single person on his same wavelength. As much promise as could have been taken out of that game i did; some of our players are incredibly talented, natural footballers. to me it was clear they’re not getting what pards is saying or they are incapable of playing so defensively, and i think it’s an amalgamation of both.

  • 125 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    Matty

    If you are going to call me a prick, at least have the nous to actually call me a prick, instead of working around a construct that you are talking to “fake” Ruddy.

    Some would argue that it is cowardly. I wouldn’t, because I wouldn’t argue with anyone.

    Also, if it is division that you wish to avoid, why in God’s name would you deliberately try and antagonise someone by calling them a prick?

    Seems like the pot is calling the kettle black. Now, as for footballing points, I think you’ll find that I left you a comment surrounding NUFC, to which you responded with an insult so I shan’t be doing that again. Good day :)

  • 126 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    TS…..It’s only when people are desperate for incoming players that they turn on you….sadly, thats most of the time.

    I think people know what you’re about now, so hostility should be slightly less this time around…no promises though :)

  • 127 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:18 PM

    Ruddy…well since you ask that way…Yes! 😀

    …but now your our very own Powder-Monkey (and it’s not an euphemism, or is it ;)) lol

    Ibiza…good to hear 😉 (so the SOS worked) Fifa does have it rightful place doesn’t it!

    …did you ever kick Belfast behind in Fifa?

  • 128 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:19 PM

    Matty

    Forgive me, I genuinely thought you were being facetious, even more so when you claimed that you weren’t. Perhaps you were and this is still part of the ruse, either way, my head is now sore.

  • 129 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:20 PM

    Can anyone honestly say that they think Pardew has shown signs of positive evolution in his 2 years in charge? Can you say he looks like he learns from his mistakes? Can you say that he has been nothing bit honest with the fans? Can you say he conducts himself in a style befitting of a class manager? Can you say he looks like he can inspire a team to rally in times when it gets tough?

    He has shown nothing in his time here other than how to win ugly and how to take the direct style of play to a whole new level of crap!

  • 130 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    Ruddy – it happens all the time.
    When you disagree with their opinion, they say its a nufc blog and we are all entitled to our own opinions.
    When you post something that doesn’t fit with their opinions, they insult you.
    Wonderful isn’t it :)

  • 131 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    APW

    What are you gaining from this constant bombardment of Pardew? You have people who agree with you, you have people who disagree. Those who agree are doing so based on their own judgements, likewise of those who disagree.

    Your constant slating of Pards is pointless, you aren’t offering concessions that his hands have been tied due to the board potentially not backing him up, or injuries or suspensions, all you offer is a constant stream of bile towards our manager. Why?

  • 132 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:23 PM

    Well in that case Ibiza

    I have heard that the clud is currently very busy in expanding its scouting network in eastern europe and former soviat countries.

    Italy have done this a lot and are often the place these players begin at a top league.

    Not heard any names mentioned though.

  • 133 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:24 PM

    Conaldo

    The benefit of living in a free and open democracy, everyone’s opinions are equal…except those that conflict with their own 😛

  • 134 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:24 PM

    Alan…that also sounds like a song – I have the music score playing in my head (ala Black Sabbath…or Alice Cooper :)) lol

  • 135 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Jesper….I don’t wish to discuss anything further with regards to my recent fifa online campaign. Let’s just say there are similarities to my fantasy league team. However, I’m trying to put some of the fifa problems down to my poor internet connection and senegal banning Cisse from my team an hour before kick-off, even though he wasn’t part of the team I used…..

  • 136 mattyNUFC // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    sorry sorry all

    will be back later. flat clean time!!

  • 137 bettyswallocks // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Transfer Sage

    You made a very valid point earlier about bringing in a continental assistant to get the team playing how the majority want to see it.

    Rather than sack Pardew this will anable him to focus on his strengths and hopefully allow the team to develop an attacking modern style.

    The fear of the anti Pardews on here is having to watch his style of play for 8 more years.

    Our objection is the horrible cautious and nervous long ball style which we have never accepted at our club.

    The coaching staff must take responsibility for the tactics and set up of the team or else why are they there.

    We do not expect to win every game .
    We do accept injuries and lack of funds make it difficult.
    We have no issues with endeavour and team spirit.
    We realise that NUFC is work in progress

    WE JUST DONT WANT 8 MORE YEARS OF HOOFBALL.!!!!!!

  • 138 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    Alan pard who – to all of your questions.
    Yes. He has shown evolution, he has undoubtably taken us forward, he conducts himself well, he learns from his mistakes, he is honest with the fans, and can inspire players.

    People don’t realise he has never managed a team at the level that is now expected of him. He is learning as he goes along, as shown with the struggle to balance between el and pl.
    I think people assume the manager is at fault for everything, and don’t even think of the players underperforming.

  • 139 Jail for Ashley // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    Matty ,
    We never took all three points in Portugal it was 0-0.

  • 140 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    Ruddy –
    all animals are equal
    But some animals are more equal than others…

    … Except those with hooves, and they are certainly not allowed to play with footballs.

  • 141 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    Ibiza…I’ll probe no more 😀

    …I don’t even have a Play Station or X-Box and I am God awful!

    But you can always tell yourself at least I didn’t suck as much as ppB lol

  • 142 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    Conaldo

    I was subtly making an Orwellian reference but you came in, took it, and made it bloody hilarious!

  • 143 mattyNUFC // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    JfA

    touche

    we didn’t even deserve that. I thought we were abysmal and Maritimo looked great minus their inability to finish

    Hope we take it more seriously than the atmosphere within their stadium made it feel first time around

  • 144 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    Jesper….Time to come clean. PPB wiped the floor with me.

    Argentina 6 – 1 Ivory Coast. I spent the last 10 minutes of the game solely trying to stop him scoring with his keeper. Yeah, it was bad. Soul destroying. I have been contemplating early retirement and therapy.

    It was a tough evening to say the least and I hope ppb never returns :)

  • 145 bambams // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    The players are not playing with any confidence, that is down to two things.
    1. We should have improved the squad
    2. Pardew needs to use the players better.

    we start either terrible or just above terrible every game and this allows the other team to have a go and it builds confidence- then we try the long ball which just keeps coming back.

    I would love to see benny just behind a striker or a pair of strikers AND please get our strikers playing together and not twenty yards away from each other ….IMO

  • 146 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:37 PM

    Maybe you should read some of my other posts before blindly stating the things I haven’t said.

    It is my right to offer my opinion in the hope that someone can disagree and answer the questions that puzzle me.

    If someone can answer yes and give an explanation then maybe I can see where it is they are coming from in their support of Pardew so I can. Understand their view point.

    It seems as if a lot of people deflect away from this important issue choosing instead to talk about things untwisted to the one thing we all share. Our love for Newcastle United.

    The easiest way to win an argument is to change the subject and that happens all too much on here.

    It is a place for Newcastle united debate and discussions but you seem to use it only to defend your own ego. Go onto twitter and talk to your thousands of followers if you want to continue discussing how great your thoughts on everything are.

    Your intelligence should he used for good, instead you use it to be incredibly patronising.

    I would love to hear your thoughts on Pardews lack of progress but I’m sure I can expect a barrage of intellectual abuse aimed at my puny brain!

  • 147 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:37 PM

    Alan pard who
    Yes i can honestly say i think we’ve moved forward under pards and the club looks more like it did during the robson days than under any manager we’ve had to suffer since

  • 148 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:38 PM

    What about dark, what about light, what about wrong, what about right, what about death, what about sin, what about the web you’re trying to spin

    What about truth, what about life, what about glory, what about Christ, what about peace, what about love, what about faith in God above, what about war, what about hell what if I stumble what if I fell what about blood, what about greed and all of these things you’re offering me

    Yeah, what about me, little me, you lose and I win you couldn’t suck me in, it’s over, you have no power, you’re lost and I’m found and I’m Heaven bound. Go back to where you belong, to where you fell. Go to hell!

    …that was the song APW’s post reminded me off 😀 lol

  • 149 Paul Scharner // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    What about Paul Scharner!!!

  • 150 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    …he can go back to where he belong, to where he fell. He can go to hell! 😀

  • 151 Paul Scharner // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    Fine then. Paul Scharner away.
    Tell Kets I called.

  • 152 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    Do you not think that given the sane resources Chris Hughton could not of moved us forward equally or more than Pardew?

    I honestly think Pardew is the same manager he was at West Ham and hasn’t learnt a great deal. 5th was great but I still think we ad a hangover from the spirit that Hughton built.

    Now we look like a team without a heart and no way of getting to Oz to find one.

  • 153 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    PS…are you doing another Q&A?

  • 154 Paul Scharner // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    Okey.
    Everybody – welcome to question time with Paul.

    Over the next 15 minutes I will be answering all of your questions.

    Shoot.

  • 155 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    APW

    I’m assuming that is aimed at me. I am not trying to be patronising, if it feels that I am then I apologise as that is not my intention. I don’t understand what you mean that I use it only to defend my own ego, perhaps I am not as smart as others make me out to be.

    I am also not trying to deflect or change the subject. I was merely stating that these entrenched views that we have, either pro Pardew or anti- Pardew are based on our own judgements, and when people come to conclusions on something as emotionally connected as their football club then it takes something momentous for them to change these views.

    I am not going to be able to make you change your mind about Pardew with my opinions, and you cannot change my mind with your opinions. As Ibiza said earlier, it comes to a point where we are banging our head against a brick wall.

    I will give you my opinions on how Pardew has brought us forward, saying you asked so nicely. Pards has brought us forward as a club first and foremost as he has established himself as the main man in the dressing room, he has not allowed the egos to dominate in the same way that Hughton did. His man management is second to none (HBA) and he has demonstrated on ample occasions that with this team we can play good football and get good results.

    He got us to 5th last season and brought us to European football for the first time since 2006, if that is not bringing the club forward I don’t know what is. We have had a laboured start to the season, balancing EL and PL with a small squad and Pards needed the backing of the board, or we weren’t able to bring in players we wanted at the price we wanted, either way we didn’t bring in as many players as we wanted and now that injuries and suspensions are mounting up, the squad are under the cosh, and Pardew is doing the best he can.

    The season is 12 games gone, he has only been here for less than 2 years and in those 2 years he has undoubtedly brought us forward.

  • 156 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:51 PM

    Hangover from the spirit that Hughton built? Even though half the players who achieved 5th didn’t even play under Hughton!?!?

    Ignore my response to your post as it is clear that you will twist sense and logic to fit into your desire to blame Pardew for everything, give him credit for nothing mentality.

    Absolutely shocking.

  • 157 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    Paul….If you and the wizard are such good friends, how come we never see you together?

    Most importantly, why when adding two and two to people come out with five? We all know is seven….just bizarre.

    One more, if I may, would you like to work under Pardew?

  • 158 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    PS…Q: Did somebody say shenanigans?

  • 159 Quasi.modo // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:55 PM

    APW

    I must admit that I think, while we were all gutted to see Hughton go after he achieved what he did at the club, it would be hard to imagine that he would have been the manager to bring us to the next level.

    In response to your question, could he have got us 5th? I don’t think he could have. Trying to claim that he would have would be nothing but pure speculation there fella.

  • 160 Paul Scharner // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    Ibiza –
    First of all, thankyou for speaking to me. All of your votes are important. One man can make a difference. Wait…
    No, wrong speech.

    Wizard is very busy, and we hang out all the time, but it’s just sheer coincidence why we are never seen in public together.
    Two plus two is infact 7. It is common misconception that it equals 5, and only idiots think its 4.
    And I would never work under Pardew. He is clueless and only plays hoofball.
    Next questions please.

  • 161 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    APW
    I liked hughton we all did probably the nicest man in football!
    But there were to many players there that the club didnt want there, they almost had too nuch say in the dressing room, some we miss like nolan but others like barton we don’t imo i think theres a fine line between what pards does with the lads man managment wise and what hughton did they had to much say in the dressing room and the board didnt like it, right or wrong, but i think the players made hoits position untenable
    I also dont think he could of ‘sold’ the clubs plan to players like cabs and santon and ba which ever clubs pards been at he’s been well known to spot goid young players and i still think he will pull us out this slump

  • 162 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    You know as well I as I know Ruddy that in the great land of democracy there are still people who are undecided and I am offering my opinion as to why I think Pardew should be fired. Not to win them over but to give explanation.

    It seems at times that only the pro Pardew opinion matters and those people think they have right to monopolise the blog and tell everyone else they are being negative. You are all quick to fight your own corners whilst dismissing the views of those not sharing your vantage point.

    You asked me why I slated Pardew and I shall ask why not? The discussion for the past few days has centred around Pardews ability to manage the club long term and I am entitled as a poster to continue to express my thoughts.

    The discussion won’t go away just because you and ibizatoon don’t want to talk about it anymore. You are not lords of the blog and the only people aloud to bring up points of discussion.

    If you don’t like my insessent Pardew hatred then don’t read or comment about it.

    It’s a simple as that really.

  • 163 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    So if you have half a team that have the spirit it cant be instilled into the new arrivals.

    I thought you were intelligent Ruddy!

  • 164 Paul Scharner // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:01 PM

    Who said shenanigans. They are to be executed immediately, the rapscallions.

  • 165 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    I don’t think pardew is particularly better than houghton to be honest.

    But I didn’t want houghton to be sacked and I don’t want pardew sacked.

  • 166 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    Paul scharner
    Just a quick one
    WHY THE FCUK DID YOU SNUB US WE NEEDED YOU
    You could of had it all here and Kets gave you his body

  • 167 fray bentos // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    @alan_pard_who

    How do you grade progress and when do you expect it?

  • 168 rainrix // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    Paul Scharner…. Do you think people misunderstood hitler and his views on a totalitarian state?

  • 169 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    Alan Pard Who

    Where was I telling you that you weren’t entitled to an opinion? Where did I tell you that you could not share an opinion? I asked you “Why?” purely on the basis because you did not offer and explanation, not on the basis that you had.

    You didn’t offer facts or opinions, you posed the question “how has he shown positive signs of evolution” and I was merely stating that slating him, while not truly offering an opinion as to why or how he hasn’t shown positive signs of bringing the club forward is pointless.

    I have never once claimed to be a Lord of this Blog, and I sincerely don’t think that the positive people monopolise this blog, if anything it is very much the other way around.

    It is a matter of perspectives, and I am afraid that you, and others like you, are too fond of thinking that we are bullies who wish to drive others off the blog, but rather that truth applies more so to you than it does to me.

  • 170 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    PS…Q: Is Ruddy intelligent or in fact clueless?

  • 171 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:05 PM

    Also those commenting on Hughton not being able to take us to the next level.

    Well Pardew hasn’t yet.

    One good season doesn’t make him a better manager than Hughton.

    The whole dressing room under Hightons management is also Pure speculation as none of is were there.

    Its interesting to see that nobody has asked my opinion. Nobody wants to know if I think Hughton could have achieved anything more? You all fall into an assumption quicker than you can write, and you all write very quickly.

    If it matters no, I do nor think Hughton could’ve taken us to the next ‘level’ bit I don’t think Pardew can either.

  • 172 Paul Scharner // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:05 PM

    Tads – I’m sorry to have abandoned Newcastle in their time of need. I am well aware that if I had signed, Newcastle would have won the league by now.

    However, there were better opportunities for me in Germany (I think that’s were I went)

    And I am not a fan of greggs…

  • 173 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    Alan Pard Who

    Where did I say I was intelligent? That’s a mantle that’s been given to me by others I am afraid. You think the hangover of spirit from Hughton’s team was the sole reason for us finishing 5th and nothing to do with Pardew?

    I am not going to comment on your intelligence levels, I’ll leave that for others.

  • 174 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    Alan_Pard_who…..Seeing as you’ve mentioned me….

    Are we not? Should I cancel the Ebay order for matching thrones and crowns (I know Ruddy, I’m as gutted as you) then?

    What I was suggesting earlier and yesterday, was not that the people who don’t agree with me leave it be for a bit, but all of us, pro or anti Pardew just give it a little more time. We’ve all beaten it to death and I haven’t seen anyone bring anything new to the table, so what was the point? That was all, there are other things to discuss, unless you feel we can get somewhere by continuing this particular topic now?

    “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”

    Was just trying to suggest we all keep some sanity, we’ve got a long old season still ahead, shall we bench this one for now until we have further info?

  • 175 rainrix // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    Id consider getting into europa the next level up from premier league mediocracy.

  • 176 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    Alan Pard Who

    Erm…he already took us to the next level, we finished inside the European places in his first full season in charge.

    Or was finishing in the CL spots the next level for you?

  • 177 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    Paul…Cheers pal. Insightful as always. What do you think the result will be tomorrow?

  • 178 Paul Scharner // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    Rainrix – I don’t know anything about that, but I do know that there are 24 million pigs in Denmark.

    Jesper – ruddy is infact a Peruvian alpaca, and so the fact that he is on the blog, means he is a very intelligent alpaca.

  • 179 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    Paul
    Admit it, it was pards fault you didn’t sign

  • 180 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    Alan pard who

    I would say getting is a Europa league place is the next level.

    Then I would say the next step up is regular Europa league.

    The champions league, followed by regular champions league

  • 181 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Paul

    Just for that revelation, I am going to spit in your face, as is customary with my species.

  • 182 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Someone else mentioned earlier about bringing in a continental coach to work alongside Pardew. Would this be a number 2 type position? What are we suggesting we do with Carver?

    In the past, the club has been praised by fans for bringing in people to work with Pardew who would help him with the local aspect of the club.

    Not trying to find faults, as in theory, it’s a great idea. Where does Pardew fall short, okay, let’s plug that area rather than just changing the manager.

  • 183 rainrix // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Ok Scharner seeing how you know so much about them how many alpacas are there in argentina, also how would one join the british alpacas owners society?

  • 184 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    Paul….I’m thinking of a number between 1 and 100, which one is it?

  • 185 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    Ruddy

    You said:

    Your constant slating of Pards is pointless, you aren’t offering concessions that his hands have been tied due to the board potentially not backing him up, or injuries or suspensions, all you offer is a constant stream of bile towards our manager. Why?

    That hardly gives respect towards my opinion whether or not you think my opinion is right or wrong.

    Also on your ‘mantle’ (talking about it like it’s a duty and a curse), I never said that you said you were intelligent, nor do I care for peoples thoughts on your intellect, but it doesn’t take a quantam physicist to work out that you are intelligent.

    It’s how you use that higher brain power that matters. You wear it like a fluorescent badge that blind the eyes of anyone that has an different outlook to you when it comes to our club.

    I never insulted your opinion until you laid into mine. All I ask is for respect to talk about my views for I am very accommodating towards yours.

  • 186 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    TS
    Aye we’ve hit the next level and now as you say we need to consitantly hit in and around euro qualification each season although pards did say we’d hit europe a season earlier than was ideal i feel that was because he felt the team needed to shape the squad a bit more still believe that we lack quality in depth to compete in europe this season

  • 187 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    I’ve a question for you Paul

    Q. How do I get people to like me? I seem to be detested on this blog and that’s even if I leave for months!

  • 188 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    Ibiza

    It was me. I suggested the likes of Carlos quiros but was unsure because I do like carver.

    Maybe give carver a role with Beardsley and maybe some sort of training role linking between senior team and all your teams to ensure the same style is encouraged throughout?

    Just a though. It brings fresh ideas in for pardew. Help him learn new ideas he may not think of.

  • 189 Paul Scharner // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Ibiza – tommorow, the results will be as follows

    Newcastle vs maritimo – Newcastle 5-0
    Liverpool vs young boys – young boys win 170-1 (wishful thinking)
    Spuds vs lazio – spuds 2-1

    Tads – yeah, pards signed the wrong form. Instead of signing me, he took out a Wonga loan.

  • 190 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Ibiza
    Thats easy 63

  • 191 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    tads

    i dont expect qualification for europe this year.

    it would be good but difficult after our first season in it for a while.

    if we can improve our style a little and then get back in next season and then stay in it’s a good achievement

  • 192 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    Ibizatoon

    The heart and soul of this blog belongs to debate and it not going to stop after 2 days for the discussion has been going on for 2 years.

    We have no say in the matter ultimatley but you can’t stoutly defend your position on the matter and then ask not to talk about it anymore.

    All I want is a little more respect for the views of others. Not everyone can blog everyday so some miss the action, others are never invited into the clique and are abused for thier thoughts and some ate labled negative despite wanting the best for the club.

  • 193 Paul Scharner // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    Ruddy – please don’t spit in my face.

    Ibiza – 175

    Rainrix – there are approximately 2milliom alpacas in Argentina.
    Shine an alpaca shaped torch in the air and they will come to sign you up.

    Ruddy – get people to like you? That’s beyond my level of expertise.

  • 194 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    Alan Pard Who

    This is something that I have debated for months, do I come across as condescending or do people have such entrenched views on me that regardless of what I say they will assume I am being patronising, and I genuinely think the latter is true.

    I cannot control how you perceive what I say, only how I said it, and on reflection of what I said to you I fail to see where I was disrespecting your opinion? I wasn’t saying your opinions were pointless, and perhaps pointless was the incorrect word to use in that context, I was simply saying that it is futile and will only serve to stir up anger both in yourself and others.

    You are quite right, you are entitled to your opinions and whether you believe me or not I do respect them and I am in no way trying to censor them. But, like Ibiza, I am of the opinion that we have talked this topic to death and will achieve no further ground from it and as such we should let bygones be bygones, accept that Pardew is in charge for the foreseeable and if things don’t change then, by all means, pick up this hatred of Pardew once more.

    If any of this seems condescending, patronising, or feels like I am talking down to you then there is little I can do about that, it is a matter of perception.

  • 195 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:22 PM

    Paul….Oh wise man, you’ve just made me a ton of money. It’s good to be able to rely on someone, so thanks for that.

    TS…..It is a great idea and far more sensible imo. However, I suppose Pardew needs to accept that he could use some help before it could become available. I like it though, no one is ready made for anything in life, we get there through education and experience. Well, he’s getting the experience, maybe someone experienced to assist him is what is needed for now, but yes, we need to keep the local people in as well, as let’s face it, we want to evolve, but still be Newcastle United. Not an easy task, but certainly achievable with the right approach and time. I salute your out of the box thinking.

    Alan….Have you forgotten about me? I must admit to feeling a little neglected.

  • 196 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    Alan…Quick post, before I respond. Sorry, I no longer feel neglected, ignore my latest comment. Be back to you as fast as my fingers will allow.

    Paul & Tads…Wrong. How disappointing.

  • 197 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    ibiza

    it would work but only if pardew agrees to it like you say

    otherwise it would undrmine his authority if somebody just got appointed in that role

  • 198 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    Also on the matter of the Europe leauge being the ‘next level’, does that mean Moyes has failed in taking Everton to the next level after 10 years of management? Yes they went up a level but then came down a level and now might go back up a level.

    The next level is surely creating a good football team with the ability to play well and become a team people fear playing against.

    The next level is being able to beat poor teams eaisly at home. Something we didn’t do last year or this year.

    The next level is a lot further away than the leauge position we finished in.

  • 199 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    Alan….If that is the reality of it, it being that I have had my say and differing opinions have not been given the chance to be aired, then I do apologise. That would indeed be wrong, however, I don’t think it is the case.

    Since the West Ham game it’s been non-stop. We’ve had every possible opinion on the subject thrown around and I hope most people have at least listened to what the other has had to say, even if they don’t agree.

    I have tried to answer any questions that I can, but at the end of the day, a lot of this comes down to belief and that is often hard to prove, so what is the point in trying? That was all I was trying to do, save us all a headache for a while.

    If anyone has anything new to add, then great, but if not, why should we all keep going on?

    I’m not suggesting you crawl under a rock for a month and see if Pardew sorts it out, as I don’t think we’ll have the answers by then, more along the lines of, shall we discuss something else for a bit, as this topic has been beaten to death by everyone.

    Hope this clears up what I meant a little better, please let me know.

  • 200 Munster Mag // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    Ruddy, I think one of the problems with this blog is that too many people are in the passers or neggars camp, with few in between. For example, you have opined that the board have not helped Pards by not spending in the summer. When I slated the Fat one for this, I was called a neggar because i was anti Ashley. Its all a bit mad. I have been a big fan or Pards but my admiration has dropped off rapidly this season. In my books, he has till the end of the season. If we are doing worse than we are now, with no cup run, then i dont see a reason to keep him. I think thats fair, unless there are further mitigating circumstances ( eg severe injuries from now until the end of the season)

  • 201 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    Alan Pard Who

    Some would agree with you, some would disagree, it’s like the conversation I was having with Sage earlier, what can be defined as success?

    I think the next level for the board when they appointed Pardew was to finish inside the top 8, yet Pardew went one step further and qualified for Europe. In my view, they want to consistently finish inside the top 10, then push on for Europe and consistently qualify there and perhaps push on for CL.

    As far as the board is concerned I think results matter more than performances every day of the week, and Pardew would find himself out of a job faster playing good football but failing to achieve these “levels” than he would if he played poor football but achieved his targets.

    I could be wrong but this is my take on the matter.

  • 202 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    As for the next level debate. Surely this is something that is measured over time and takes small steps?

  • 203 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    TS
    Agreed would be very unlikley to qualify this season

    I’d be happy with say 6th-8th and a good run in europa league but that has to be backed with some sensible levle of investment in the summer on top of any investment needed this jan

  • 204 Munster Mag // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    Ibiza, how are you today? More olives on the veranda with a warm sun on your neck ? :)

  • 205 rainrix // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    APW…. I’d consider finishing in the european places regularly as the next step up. We could still play good football beat the lesser teams and still finish mid table, would you consider that progress? I don’t personally. Last year was progress. If we finish in europa places again id still consider that progress.

    You seem to have a serious problem with pardew which you are entitled too i for one believe this is a blip and we’ll pull through, to each his own i suppose

  • 206 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    Ruddy

    The great thing about believing totally that your opinion is correct is that you feel no anger.

    I am at peace with my decision to say Pardew isn’t the man for us.

    Like any fan I feel anger in poor results but no in the fact Pardew is still manager.

    I just believe that we are nor going in the direction we should.

    Also people with high IQ’s are often prone to mistakes in social scenarios so a little lesson in etiquette.

    You can have an opposite view to mine but to call my opinion bile is a little rude. You can dress it up and tie a bow around the statement with as many fancy words as you wish but it was still an insult that lacked any form of respect. That is why I feel the need to continue this discussion.

  • 207 catchy in norway // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    i dont think our club have a smakk squad, now we could argue about the quality of the squad but not the size,

    maybe if pardew focused on bringing players to the club that can play now instead of give them 3 years theyl be great, he might not have this problem now,

    as for plans, which plan are we on now, the original 5 year plan? the purple plan, or is it blue now,, forget about plans,

    we can all measure progress , but in our own ways, some want the CL cup, some want the PL some want the FA, some just want good football

    right now i sit firmly in the good football camp, iv always been there, what i find funny is, in every league evry division the are all types of manager, long ball, pressing , passing,, we have to face facts we have a manager who likes football played in the air, he believes that he can get the best out his players by doing this, there is no guyle or craft to our play, just hard working players,
    williamson is total proof of that, every frree kick or corner is aimed at him, hoping one day he will conect with one,,

    lets not knock pardew on him limitaions, as we all have them, but lets hope the powers that be show the same sort of ambition some of we do, ( im not saying pardew lacks ambition) i just think he is limited in what he can offer or get out of the players,

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    i think your wrong about CH and AP about man management skils IMO CH used the voices to help him with the team, where as AP seems to be dictated to by some players, i think both shola and BA have dissrespected AP and got away with it, to a degree we heard about both obertan and marv having a spat with Ap this season to
    BA with his agent, and yeh u can say it was his agent, but BA plays thruogh the middle now
    Shola ran down the tunnel at sunderland and was given a starting position the following week on the right side of 3,,
    so i dont think your right there

    also i think he is scard to drop jonas and cisse, both offering very little

  • 208 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    Munster (you part time neggar you)…..Warm sun on my neck, back, bot….Okay, probably should leave that one there. How’s things with you?

    I do agree, it did get a bit mad on here with labelling people and I do accept that a fair whack of that came from the optimists. It was a funny time, when names and tags were getting thrown around and at some point, we’re all going to have to draw a line and move on. Some have, like you and I for instance (except in the name of banter, in which case you’re a dirty neggar b*st*rd).

  • 209 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    Munster

    Well consider the position we are in right now. We are 12th in the league, but that correlates to only being 6 points behind 5th. If we factor in circumstances such as suspensions, injuries, and the very fact that we have a small squad to begin with (I am not sure if the fault lies with the board or because other clubs overvalued their players but I am willing to accept that the board may be to blame) then we can see why, perhaps we are where we are.

    It seems like it will be the end of January before we have a fully fit first team squad to play with so Pardew now has to make the best of what he has, and what he still has are quality players at his disposal. If it means sticking in a rigid 4-4-2 to get results then I am ok with that. I am not willing to see fluid attractive football but see exciting defeats, for me it is all about results, and I too will be unhappy if we don’t start getting them

    Pardew is good enough to keep us away for relegation, and I would even be willing to accept a 9th/10th/11th placed finish if it meant we had a good run in the FA Cup or EL along with it. If neither of this happens I will be unhappy, but not unhappy enough to call for Pardew’s head. I am not of the mindset that one bad season maketh the man, it is a learning curve and I think we owe that to the man who took us 5th (playing good football or not)

  • 210 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:40 PM

    Ibizatoon

    Regarding the ‘next level’ that is my sentiment.

    It is unfair and shortsighted to say Pards has gotten us to the next level. It is then up to the individual to decide whether he/she thinks Pardew can achieve that.

    I do not.

  • 211 cyprus // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:40 PM

    I must say, the intellectual level bar of this blog has been raised lately and I don’t mean this ironically. Many clueful (opposite of clueless!) posts and well and argued points… Is there a better football blog for any team? This is the Barca of blogs, congrats Ed!
    Won’t stand on the fence regarding AP. He has yet to convince me. I struggle to recall exciting games these days, even though moments of brilliance have given us the best group of goals, yes, in our history. We are still definitely a work in progress and, just like AP got the glory last year, now he must shoulder the blame for the dire football we often must endure.

  • 212 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    Catchy

    It was no secret that Nolan, Barton and Carroll were very big influences during the CH reign, and that they had a lot of control within the dressing room.

    Ba is playing down the middle right now, but ask yourself why? Look at his scoring record, would you be willing to drop him to the LW while he is scoring like that? If anyone should be played wide left out of Ba or Cisse I would put Cisse as Ba is on fire (or at least he was until the last few games)

    AP’s handling of HBA has undoubtedly made him a better player and I don’t think Hoots would have handled him as well as Pardew did. If Marv did have a spat with AP this season that could be a potential reason why he has not been in the team, (that would indicate that Pards doesn’t take crap) Shola is not renowned for giving grief, and I didn’t hear about him running down a tunnel, but Pards sacrificed him for Tiote’s mistake, of course he would be pissed, he is a Geordie playing against the Mackems, and maybe down to that fact AP felt he deserved to start!

    I can’t say I understand you sometimes but each to their own.

  • 213 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    If one bad season does not maketh the man, why does one good season maketh him?

  • 214 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    Alan…Fair enough. At the same time then, it is unfair and shortsighted to say he can’t (i know you didn’t say that).

    We can all have opinions on something, but only over time will we know. Pretty sure Solano used a nice one the other day…history will absolve me.

    What are your thoughts on my other post to you? Should I be getting excited at the idea of middle ground being found?

  • 215 cyprus // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    And Ruddy,
    I do like your optimism and the way you come across. Still, we are 6 points away from 5th just like we are 5 points away from the relegation zone! Surely you agree that we need to improve as much as others need to see we are not exactly in trouble.

  • 216 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    Alan…It doesn’t, it’s gives him time and a period of time of backing by some. Others that don’t believe, will obviously view it differently.

    I don’t think anyone has said Pardew will deliver success, just that we think he can or will. That is based on what he has achieved so far, but is in no way certain and anyone who says it is, is getting ahead of themselves.

  • 217 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    Alan Pard Who

    It doesn’t. If he consistently has bad season after bad season then I for one will join you in calling for a change.

    He hasn’t even had one full bad season, he has had a poor start to his second full season, if we finish 9th/10th/11th without any progress in Europe or the FA Cup then that would be a bad season, which would bring his tally to one good season, one bad season, does that mean he should be sacked? In my opinion no.

  • 218 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    Cyprus…Good point, we are as close to where we want to be as where we don’t. A few games down the line and we could find ourselves having a very different discussion, but which one will be having?

    I’m getting dizzy with all of this circling…where is my fence.

  • 219 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM

    *which one will we be having?

  • 220 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM

    Cyprus

    Good example of how one person sees one thing and how another sees something different haha I guess something in my mindset doesn’t allow me to see how close we are to the relegation zone! 😛

    We are at a bit of a cross roads at the moment with regards the PL, and yes we do need to get some points on the board and fast. Some, like yourself, want to see us play great football in order to achieve that, some will be absolutely distraught even if we start winning games by playing poor football but for me, we need to worry about winning games first and foremost and then start to worry about the quality.

    I do see the need to play better football but I think that will come in time, I think Pards is more concerned with trying to win games than with trying to please the fans.

    So, in short. Do we need to improve? Definitely. Do we need to play better football? Not necessarily just as long as we get results. Are we in trouble? Definitely not.

  • 221 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    Ibizatoon

    I share middle ground with you on many things but this one discussion we are on different continents. Does that make us enimies? No, just polarised on this particular issue.

    I’m sure when you look at history it’ll show you times when you dissagreed with Ruddy but agreed with Belfast for example (or this time may come).

    That is life and I feel no ill towards anybody who doesn’t share my opinion. Lifes to short for all of that and by the time we are proven right or wrong a new argument will have reared it’s ugly head.

  • 222 cyprus // Nov 21, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    It looks like Ed must throw in a hooligan among us to stir up some trouble, can’t disagree with what you Ibiza and Ruddy say. btw, looked up Barca blog(s) and I was correct, this one’s better and more active, Ed! Off to work… Bye

  • 223 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    Alan Pard Who

    Does that mean you and I can move forward amicably?

    I am bracing myself for the occasion that Ibiza disagrees with me, (he is allowed to as the guy has opinions of his own) but it just happens that people sometimes share more common ground than they differ.

    At the end of the day all we want is what is best for NUFC and if we disagree on what form that may take, all the better as how boring would life be if we just agreed all the time?

  • 224 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:01 PM

    Ruddy

    I understand that but we must take into account the quality of football last season.

    I’m sure you’ll correct me if I’m wrong but I think I rembrr you saying that whilst perofmances weren’t good the results were all that mattered.

    If the performances aren’t improving and now the results are dissolving surely that gives us ‘anti Pardew’ lot worthy ammunition?!

  • 225 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:01 PM

    All the best Cyprus!

  • 226 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    Alan….Glad to hear it. It is sometimes hard to differentiate between a person and that persons opinions, especially on a blog. I don’t think anyone could carry any feelings about a poster in to the real world, as it is not related, except in Belfasts case, he is just a tw@ :)

    To touch on our discussion again, i’m not trying to sensor people, more asking when do we stop repeating ourselves? That goes for all of us, not just peoples opinions I don’t agree with.

    Anyway, group hug everyone. There, that’s better.

  • 227 Transfer Sage // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:03 PM

    Alan pard who

    I think moyes has done a good job but Everton have stood still for years. Don’t think it’s just down to him.

    If the board won’t invest more for whatever reason there is only so far you can go.

    He has had then just around 8-10th for years.

    Not bad management but achieving the best with his resources.

    He has had the chance to increase his squad the last 2 years and he has gotten some decent results last year and very good results so far this year with them.

  • 228 catchy in norway // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    regarding BA, but it dont make it right that he is playing through the middle, i prefer him there, but it was the manner in which he got there, but to be fair to Cisse, did he deserve to be moved from that position, after all he was one of 3 main players to get us 5th position,

    pardew is acting like a dog with 2 cocks, and dont know what to do with them, keep them both happy and play them,, that is wrong in my opinion,
    there is no right or wrong with them both as they both have qualities that can make the team better, pardew gets paid big bucks to sort that out and is not doing a thing about it by playing them both

    also HBA, i think your so wrong, i dont think we get the best out of him un less you want him to pick the ball up in his own half and score wonder goals every week, he is great out on the right, but by getting him to track back and help the right back out we lose out on his ability to attack when the opisition is stretched,, IMO he should be uesed with BA or Cisse up front, more impotence should be put on him to attck not defend,,

    i think its hard for anyone on here to say his best position would be a true No10, not a makeshift right winger

    so is pardew getting the best out of him???? i wonder

  • 229 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    Cyrpus….Agree, Ed’s blog all the way.

    Ruddy….Am I allowed? I mean, really? No more beating me when no one is looking for making you look silly? A new dawn is here. Pardew out! Ashley out!

    I’m freeeee….. :)

  • 230 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:06 PM

    Alan Pard Who

    I wouldn’t say that all the results last season were poor, I distinctly remember some great performances, both in a fluid football sense and a dogged display sense. For example, when we beat Swansea away last season we didn’t play great football, but counter attacked brilliantly and were defensively sound. In my mind that was a great performance. Everton at home, Blackburn at home, Man U at home Stoke away, Chelsea away, West Brom away are to name but a few.

    Last season we also won some games with poor performances, and drew games we should have won as well as losing some awful games. Ultimately we had a combination of good performances and some dogged displays to achieve 5th.

    This season we don’t have the same quality, nor are our players showing the same desire as last season, with the exception of the Sunderland game.

    It is here that I put more blame on the desire and spirit of the players than I do on Pardew.

  • 231 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    Catchy

    As far as HBA is concerned, considering that we have frailties at RB HBA had to cover the RB or he wasn’t going to play. HBA’s lack of covering and tracking back, coupled with losing the ball time and time again against Brighton in the FA Cup last year was one of the main reasons we were beat in that game.

    As far as I can remember we got caught out time and time again down that wing and they destroyed us there.

    His handling of HBA was for to get the best out of him for the best of the team, not for his own personal benefit.

    Until we have a RB who is capable of standing on his own two feet defensively and doesn’t need a defensive winger covering him, we will not see the “best” from HBA.

    Did he get the best from him to benefit the team last season? Certainly he did.

  • 232 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    Cathy…..What a problem to have. Two c*cks. I may not know what to do with them, but I’d have fun finding out.

  • 233 Munster Mag // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:18 PM

    Ruddy at 216, nice patience there in fairness. Mind you, are you happy with the ineffectice long ball we are playing? Moreover, in our pparent efforts to capture Carroll, it would also suggest that Pards is mainly a long ball coach. And long ball coaches tend not to play 4-3-3 . His work re set pieces is obviously not working, or not happening at all. Personally, if i see a serious decline by the end of the season, I dont think I’ll have your patience, as I would tend to argue that the current season is more indicative of where we are going, than any other season. Lets hope for the best.

  • 234 catchy in norway // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:18 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    i dont think he did, he got some great preformances, thats for sure, but i dont see him as a right winger, ++++ i think pardew waited a long time to play HBA,, they seemed to be a bit a of cat and mouse game going on, all to prove obertan could play,
    HBA was telling the french press he was ready, pardew was saying he wasnt, saying he wanted more from him, when the guy who had his place right then, (obertan) was doing shit and sinking fast, it took an injurey for him to get his game, and he has been in team since,,

  • 235 catchy in norway // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    Ibizatoon ( shirly)

    id love 2 cocks , im sure i could work it out 😉

    im off home,, hate this 1 and a half hour drive , 110km :(

  • 236 Paul Scharner // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    Anyway guys, I must be off.

    Remember, there’s still time to vote for Ben arfa to win the Fifa Puskás award.
    Please google FIFA Puskás and vote Ben arfa.
    Now!!!

  • 237 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    Munster

    While I would love to see us playing the ball along the ground like Barca I can never envisage a point where we will do it. In the PL it is laudable to play the ball around the deck but it is not really effective. Arsenal play the ball around slickly but they have shown they are a more potent threat when they put the ball in the box, either from corners, set pieces, or crossing.

    And while the pursuit of AC may indicate that we are looking to play long ball long term, I don’t necessarily see it that way either. It could be possible that we are looking to amalgamate a system that includes both. AC is actually handier with a ball at his feet than people give him credit for and I for one would love to see him back, both for set piece efficiency and, if we need to change systems, someone to aim to in long ball.

    AC could have played in that Liverpool side, I have no doubt about that whatsoever, Rodgers saw him as a long ball player and nothing else but I think it is doing him a disservice to claim that.

    I would be willing to hold my hands up if we do end up signing AC back and we resort back to long ball football but like you said, I’ve got incredible patience 😀

  • 238 Indian Magpie // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    http://www.sportskeeda.com/2012/11/21/top-tweets-on-roberto-di-matteos-sacking/

  • 239 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:26 PM

    Cathy…Easy now, you can’t go round the place saying “I’d love 2 c*cks” :) Well, you can, but beware of the consequences….

    Try driving at 110mph, only an hour then.

    Catch you later my darling cathy.

    Yours

    Shirly x

  • 240 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    Hi Paul, hadn’t realised you were still about. Bye, missing you already.

  • 241 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:35 PM

    Hey, was Paul Scharner just here? Man I missed him again.

  • 242 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    Catchy

    HBA was put into the team and taken back out of it before Obertan’s injury.

    I am not denying he is a good player, and I am not saying he is a natural winger but he is good enough to play there. But if he is to play there he has to buy into the ethos of tracking back, that he is doing thankfully. To call for him to have a more expressive role in the team and not track back could have serious repercussions for our defence and could cost more points than it would gain.

  • 243 woolerbill // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    Please can somebody shut Pardew up, I am sick of the P.R. rubbish from him. He will be judged soon if things don’t improve.

  • 244 Dannyo // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:38 PM

    Jonathyn Quinn ?@JonathynQuinn
    Trained with the 1st team today, was quality! #nufc #bucketlistcompleted

    He’s a striker for the U-18s, no offence to the lad, but we are looking a tad desperate in the striker departement atm :)
    Anyone seen him play?

  • 245 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:39 PM

    Wizard…Yeah, what a gent he is. Doesn’t seem to think much of you though….

    Btw…what happened to the wizard news? I’ve gotten so behind in world events recently, I’m going to have to start another strongly worded letter soon.

  • 246 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:43 PM

    Ibiza – what can I say, there’s been so much going on, the wizard news just had to take a small break. Fear not, it will be back soon and better than ever. There may even be some actual news!! Probably not though :)

  • 247 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:46 PM

    Actual news? Nah, don’t ruin a good thing with real news. I have Sky to depress me, we need you’re alternative news.

    One bit of advice, don’t let your new friendship with the star that is Scharner make you forget about little old us. Neglect us and our news and you may find we move on. However, that is unlikely, where the hell are we going to go?

  • 248 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    In the spirit of not discussing Pardew and transfers anymore….anyone see this?

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/8265678/Newcastle-manager-Alan-Pardew-will-enter-the-January-transfer-window

  • 249 Munster Mag // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:49 PM

    Very true Ruddy. Also, if he plays right, and doesnt track back, and we buy an attack minded full back, it could get ugly.

  • 250 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:50 PM

    Also on HBA….He may be better suited in an advanced role, but he has played on the wing before coming to Newcastle, right?

    Now, before we think about moving him out of the RW position, who do we want there and would that be better for the team?

  • 251 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    Munster

    That’s always been my fear, that’s why Jonas, when he plays LW does have to play defensively because when Santon gets caught out of position we look very vulnerable if Jonas isn’t covering.

    However, when Santon gets to know his trade more and more and can pick and choose his moments to go forward wisely and be able to defend and attack in equal measure then we should be looking for a more expressive LW, and the same goes for RB, when we have a more competent RB we could either let HBA off the leash at RW or move him behind the striker in No 10 and allow whoever we bring in at RW to be more expressive.

    I genuinely think that this is the way we are moving forward, but I will be disappointed if this is not the case.

  • 252 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:54 PM

    Ibiza!

    What are you trying to do with that link!? Send the blog into meltdown! haha

  • 253 toonking // Nov 21, 2012 at 4:55 PM

    i hope for the sake of pardew himself that this either has been ajusted by the media in certain ways or he is totally honest to his word.
    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8265678/Newcastle-manager-Alan-Pardew-will-enter-the-January-transfer-window
    ATM no way can we have a manager saying these sort of things then not staying by them because not everyone is an inpatient person who expects everything at once some such as myself do have patience. so if pardew is saying things like this i would much rather he was honestly meaning what he says.

  • 254 Blaydon-Toon // Nov 21, 2012 at 5:02 PM

    So Ruddy your not a fan of Simpson then … ? Really think I would prefer Santon to switch to RB and get a decent lefty but not sure who we could get any suggestions ?

  • 255 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 5:03 PM

    Ruddy….It’s for the best. Bring it down and let it re-build. Sorry Ed, the time has come. Press the button.

    This blog will self destruct in 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2….Wonga!

  • 256 nufc786 // Nov 21, 2012 at 5:04 PM

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  • 257 Super Magpie // Nov 21, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    So then, what’s everyone’s team for tomorrow?
    Here’s mine

    Krul
    Simpson Williamson Colo Tavernier
    Anita Bigi
    Obertan Marveaux Sammy
    Cisse

    Trying to save most of the squad for Sunday ( not thats it’s worked so far) but that team should be more than enough to see off maritimo.
    I’ll go 2-0 to us.

  • 258 Graeme // Nov 21, 2012 at 5:10 PM

    Ibiza – It doesn’t say what Pardew is entering the window as!! Is he for sale? Are we looking for a swap deal on him??
    Is it a showcase of his talents?

    Hopefully, we will manage to hang on to our manager and star players, while getting 2 or 3 “New Players” “over the line” – as opposed to injured players coming back into the squad and pretending to be new players, but aint!!

  • 259 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    Blaydon

    It’s not that I am not a fan of Simpson, like I’ve said before I defend any player who pulls on the black and white and gives his best, and that is what I think we get from Simmo.

    Do I feel we can get/need a better RB in order to push on as a football club? Yes I do. I think Santon has said that he prefers playing LB because that means he can cut in on his right, while playing LB he complains of being limited to the touchline, so I think he would be better being kept at LB.

    So, given that I think we will pursue a RB I think we will either go back in for Debuchy, cut price of course, or scour the continent for a RB none of us have heard of…sorry my input isn’t that insightful haha

  • 260 toonking // Nov 21, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    teams for the two games this week
    __________elliot/hharper or krul
    ____tav_colo_willo_ferguson
    obatan___bigi___tiote___marvo
    ________cisse___xisco/ranger
    at HT switch tiote for anita and willo for saylor
    on sunday
    _________krul___
    simmo_willo_saylor_santon
    _____tiote___anita____
    sammy____HBA_____jonas
    __________ba___
    if he were to do something like this i can see us looking much more like the team of last season as
    jonas will be back as a winger rather than a CDM
    HBA can do what he does best and likes doing attacking running in at players
    sammy and jonas have the speed to run back and forth easier and can provide more space for HBA to dribble the ball.

  • 261 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 21, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    Graeme….Interesting. Who would want to buy Pardew though? :)

    In principle though, keep Pardew and the current players and then adding 2-3 would be a good step forward. I would be delighted with that in January.

  • 262 Blaydon-Toon // Nov 21, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    Fair enough Ruddy thanks for response … I like the way Santon gets forward but think he lacks a cutting edge in the final 3rd – needs to work on his left foot to give him the edge meaning he could go either way with an end product as I can’t really recall us scoring many goals from his forays forward .

  • 263 Jail for Ashley // Nov 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM

    Easy for anybody to say they”re happy with us playing shite and getting results when your in the comfort of your own home behind a computer screen when you”ve paid fifty quid plus beer it’s not that clever, and besides we’re playing shite and getting beat atm.

  • 264 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 21, 2012 at 5:23 PM

    JfA

    It is a matter of what you would prefer. Good results or good football. For me it’s results over performances every time. The frustration is that we seem to be seeing little in the way of either at the moment.




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