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Newcastle’s Creativity Simply Hopeless This Season – Fact

1:32 pm, Saturday, November 24th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 217 Comments

There’s a really good article out by NUFCSTATS, a Newcastle fan, a couple of days ago in EPLINDEX, where you get all the stats of both the players and the Premier league sides, and it points out the woeful creativity of Newcastle United this season.

Demba Ba’s handball goal at Reading the only one form set piece this season

If we eliminate the hand-ball goal that Demba Ba scored at Reading, Newcastle are the only side in the Premier League not to have scored from a set play this season.

And that’s so disappointing, because last summer, that was an area that manager Alan Pardew said he wanted to remedy by bringing in a goal scoring center-back, but that goal scoring center-back has yet to arrive on the banks of the River Tyne.

Maybe in January?

The two players who create more chances per game than any others in the Newcastle side are – not surprisingly – our two excellent French Internationals – Ben Arfa (1.9) and Yohan Cabaye (1.8), and the next player at Newcastle to create most chances in a game, is Vurnon Anita at 1.1, which is really surprising.

And when you see that Leighton Baines of Everton is top of the league in terms of chances created per game with 4.2 –  even our top two chance creators are low down on the totem pole.

And that may be why a certain Papiss Cisse is struggling to score goals this season, as we see far too many time high balls lofted in the penalty box and we don’t have Andy Carroll any longer – so what’s the point.

Newcastle are 9th out of 20 Premier League teams in terms of total chances created, but Sunderland are much lower in that league table, and it’s not surprising, since they have real difficulty in scoring goals.

But even Sunderland may have cracked the code, after scoring 3 goals last weekend at Fulham in a good 3-1 win.

Not only are the results disappointing this season for Newcastle, but our overall play and ability to create good chances is also less than stellar.

But the good news has to be that there’s only one way to go – and that’s up.

That’s true – isn’t it? :D

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217 responses so far ↓

  • 1 toonking // Nov 24, 2012 at 1:34 PM

    well it is getting so hard to pick a team now with injuries so big as for formation 4-4-2 seems the only choice we have unless we gamble
    the team i would say will be done to tomorrow
    _________krul_____
    simmo_willo_saylor_santon
    sammy_tiote_anita_jonas
    ____cisse___ba______

    if i were to choose i would go
    ________krul
    simmo_willo_saylor_santon
    ____tiote___bigi
    sammy__________jonas
    ______ba__cisse__

  • 2 Super Magpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    Mignolet :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • 3 ginkoh // Nov 24, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    No surprise at all, we play 2 DMC in 4-4-2 formation. Waste 2 players out wide and nobody link with striker at all. With our squad we should play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 like last season. We don’t need old fashioned winger.

  • 4 AMEOBI // Nov 24, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    Kets,
    On take me out I bet you’re into Lois, you poor sod

  • 5 ToonDownSouth // Nov 24, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    When did we ever play 4-3-1-2 last season..? :|

    We played it against Aston Villa this season, and it didn’t work.

    Everyone seems to think it’s all about formation… The problem is just as much down to the awful awful lack of movement from every player barring Hatem. No one wants the ball, and eventually it goes back to Simpson or Williamson or Taylor who whack it long.

    Ba said that they spend lots of time in training working on NOT playing long balls and instead retaining possession, but they clearly don’t work on it well enough.

  • 6 toonking // Nov 24, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    the way 4231 should have been done was this
    _______krul
    Raylor_colo_saylor_santon
    ____cabaye___ tiote
    ________hba_______
    obatan___________jonas
    ______cisse
    setting up like this gives the speed of the wingers HBA and cabaye can do the play through the middle tiote would have been used well at preventing play of the opposition while both FB were able to attack and cisse does what he does best score

    sadly it won’t be able to happen now as raylor is out for season and cabaye could be missing till newyear

  • 7 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 24, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    If only we had signed Paul Scharner in the summer we would be fine now. Isn’t that right Kets.

  • 8 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 24, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    And I think sunderlands code cracking might need a little work…

  • 9 archaeomag // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:01 PM

    @ED – are you becoming a negger?

    This season was always going to be disappointing, I think where we are is about pards for the course.

  • 10 toonking // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:03 PM

    i think some of the thing which might be reasons as to why this season has been so poor are
    ba wanted to be made the CF not wide while cisse did not deserve to be dropped from CF after his goal tally.
    HBA i am sure pardew wanted him to be more defensive on the wing as well as aggressive
    jonas played in CDM tiote being totally defensive probably ruined HBA and cabayes link up play and give HBA little option with passes because cabaye was made to play LW, tiote always stays infront of defenders and the forward are waiting in the box leaving HBA to either cross which i think is not what he likes so dribbles

  • 11 oldbobaycliffe // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    we are top of the hoof ball league at a time when most managers are trying to play football i.e. liverpool and wba

  • 12 davis_toons // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:10 PM

    Steve Clerk is a excellent coach, just look at how WBA ‘Cheap” Players are playing. Almost world class passing.

    Wish Newcastle players can thread a few passes before giving the ball away.

  • 13 Graeme // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:10 PM

    At least there is some good news around!!!!

    Scum are losing 0-2 to WBA lol

  • 14 davis_toons // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    3 WBA players = 1 Newcastle players Value.

    But Newcastle team cant stick passes together as a team. What is wrong with the training session?

    WBA players ON and OFF the ball movement, just look at it. Sunderland players on the ball was asking who can i pass to. But WBA player was passing the ball around like at home like nobody business.

  • 15 AMEOBI // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:16 PM

    I look at West Brom, Odemwingie has been outstanding today, the rest have been top quality. Looking at Ridgewell thinking now he’d of been a good signing for us, anyone agree?

  • 16 davis_toons // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:20 PM

    I think is more of an overall team effort that bring this Strengh and Believe to the squad.

    Sunderland just like Us, depends solely on Induv effort and Special Finishing.

  • 17 davis_toons // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:21 PM

    Not forgetting Corners and Free Kicks, which they just Score from. (Special Free Kick, not going to get every week end)

  • 18 ToonDownSouth // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:24 PM

    It’s worth pointing out that we did have more possession than Swansea last week. Teams just know that if they sit back we simply cannot break them down – then if they catch us on the break, our defenders run like tortoises.

  • 19 archaeomag // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Penalty at stadium of plight
    1 – 3 WBA

  • 20 AMEOBI // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    Gettin Brom! 3-1 killed the mackems

  • 21 ToonDownSouth // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    Terrible dive there…

  • 22 Graeme // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    It gets better – scum 1 – 3 lol and still 10 mins to go.

    GO WBA lol

  • 23 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:27 PM

    West Brom are playing a lot better football than we did last season and derserve to be in Europe if they keep this up

  • 24 AMEOBI // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    Tds,
    Can you complain? Haha

  • 25 davis_toons // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    Our players is lacking of CONFIDENCE, COMPOSURE on the BALL. When Closing down,

    Newcastle players will just Clear it NO matter the situation. (Or was it, the training Instruction? It pump it up, and let a “Michael Owen” chase after it)

  • 26 nick_9 // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    West brom play some quick passing football, we always take a second on the ball and have no options. Just watching then and they have made about ten passes in next to no time. Their players move out with the ball and always give an option. Surely we can play better with the likes of tiote, cabaye, Anita, Ben Arfa, colo and cisse. Cisse would have it easy in the west brom team, they can split open a Defense with once quick ball, they did I against us on several occasions but Lukaku couldn’t beat krul.

    Just had a look at the eplindex and the only noticeable differences in the stats I saw was defensive errors was once every 80 minutes compared to 270 odd last season and clear cut chance conversion was down from 48% to 24%. Two very telling stats. I haven’t seen the stats for chances created but if we are ninth then that is surprising, I would have thought we would be lower. Does lumping it in the box count as a chance created? Or a bad cross?

    Sunderland seem just as unhappy as us as fans at the moment. If it wasn’t for us losing those last two home games we would be looking at the league table much differently but performers are always very telling.

  • 27 Graeme // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    Oh dear – 2-3 !!!

  • 28 davis_toons // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    1st was FreeKicks (Special) then was Corner. That was it.

  • 29 ToonDownSouth // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    On Thursday, in the first half, Krul was throwing it out (and very quickly) to Newcastle players every single time he got it.

    Then after the break, he went back to (aimlessly) booting it up field.

    It MUST be an instruction from the manager, else he would simply send a message to Krul to stop.

  • 30 davis_toons // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    WBA as a team will close Sunderland down. That its!

  • 31 davis_toons // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    Unless it was another Stupid Free Kick or stuff.

  • 32 archaeomag // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    Scum 2 – 4 Wba !!!

  • 33 davis_toons // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    TEAM_WORK!!!!!!!!!!THIS IS WBA TEAM-WORK!

  • 34 ToonDownSouth // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    Wow. Calm down. Lol.

  • 35 davis_toons // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    Individual can only do so much, (Eg, Ba, HBA brillant is a Bonus) he is not going to beat the Whole team that have Great teamwork.

  • 36 davis_toons // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    Can we get Our Steve Clark back on Temp-Basis. (High Wages).

  • 37 BelfastMagpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    Some good news.

    Sunderland look worse than us lol

  • 38 Hebburn Mag // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    I’ll probably get slaughtered for this but if I was to go with the team tomorrow id go with:

    Krul

    Simpson
    Williamson
    S Taylor
    Santon

    Anita
    Tiote
    Biggi
    Sammy

    Ba
    Ranger

    The reason why ive put Ranger in there is because he has something to prove and he owes the club alot! If there is any team he should go up against its Southampton.

  • 39 BelfastMagpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    West Brom are probably the most entertaining team to watch.

    Never ever thought I’d say that. :-)

  • 40 ToonDownSouth // Nov 24, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    Belfast

    Sunderland seem to have exactly the same problems as us – just with less individual quality.

    What gets me is the amount of people I read last season saying we should have got O’Neill because he’d get us playing good football.

    *face palm*

  • 41 FollowFollow // Nov 24, 2012 at 3:05 PM

    EPLIndex shows that nearly everything is similar to last season. Passing is better all over the pitch. We create more (not less) chances. Only defensive errors and our finishing are much worse. This adds up to me. Ba and Cisse were banging in impossible goals last season and getting us out of a hole every match. That couldn’t carry on.

  • 42 Super Magpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 3:05 PM

    Just watched the Mackems/ West Brom game and have a few things to say. Ohh, and Get in You Baggies! :D

    First of all,
    no matter how bad we are we only need to look at the mackems to see how much it could be, they are f*cking dire.

    Secondly,
    West Brom have been absolutely brilliant this season and fully deserve to be in 3rd place. Their ball retention is excellent for the team they have and we could learn from that. Surely if they can play like that then so can we.

    They could have put have 5 or 6 past the mackems had they taken more of their chances but no discredit to them. I don’t think they will stay there ( although that’s what they said about us) but they look good for a top 8 finish atm. I hope they do well for the remainder of the season. Things can change quickly though and they could lose a few games and fall down the table.

    Finally-
    Not about the game, but do you not wonder why we pick up so many injuries? We have near enough 10 players injured, more than any other side by a distance, including the other teams in Europe. I put it down to our training regime. It can’t all be bad luck. Just because we have a small squad doesn’t mean we should pick up lots of injuries. It’s well known that our training facilities are not up to top standard compared to other clubs, which is disgraceful considering where we are and how much money we have. I bet if we improved the facilities injuries would decrease.

  • 43 Super Magpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    Just watched the Mackems/ West Brom game and have a few things to say. Ohh, and Get in You Baggies! :D

    First of all,
    no matter how bad we are we only need to look at the mackems to see how much it could be, they are f**king dire.

    Secondly,
    West Brom have been absolutely brilliant this season and fully deserve to be in 3rd place. Their ball retention is excellent for the team they have and we could learn from that. Surely if they can play like that then so can we.

    They could have put have 5 or 6 past the mackems had they taken more of their chances but no discredit to them. I don’t think they will stay there ( although that’s what they said about us) but they look good for a top 8 finish atm. I hope they do well for the remainder of the season. Things can change quickly though and they could lose a few games and fall down the table.

    Finally-
    Not about the game, but do you not wonder why we pick up so many injuries? We have near enough 10 players injured, more than any other side by a distance, including the other teams in Europe. I put it down to our training regime. It can’t all be bad luck. Just because we have a small squad doesn’t mean we should pick up lots of injuries. It’s well known that our training facilities are not up to top standard compared to other clubs, which is disgraceful considering where we are and how much money we have. I bet if we improved the facilities injuries would decrease.

  • 44 Super Magpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    How much worse it could be*

  • 45 BelfastMagpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Aye Sunderland are bloddy awful like.

    Though we’re not much better.lol

    If they get dragged into a relegation fight after christmas time,I’d fancy them to go down.

  • 46 mattyNUFC // Nov 24, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    sounds to me like there is more than one way to go and that it’s just not up

    some points from the maritimo game:

    thought cisse did well until he was pulled off. It should be clear to everyone that in a 442 with Ba, he’s never going to blossom. saw more our of him in those first 30 minutes than i have all season.

    HBA gone could have bigger consequences than we think….unless Marveaux can step up to the plate cause he’s pretty much all we have right now.

    fair game to pardew, before HBA came off we were playing what we wanted to see. it wasn’t great at times, but we were at least passing. last hour we seemed to either a)forgot how to pass or b) the players were told to knock it long….the culprit is pretty obvious to me

  • 47 catchy in norway // Nov 24, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    Matty

    I think you watched a different game or you want something different to me,
    Cisse looked good the other night , but even he was playing to deep , he had no real support, and when we scored we tried to shut up shop

    2 DMC again, . Marv scored but was quiet, I’d still have him in my team though , just get the ball to him more,

    I felt they played much better than us up until the last third of the pitch, 2nd half they where much better,

  • 48 mattyNUFC // Nov 24, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    catchy

    i don’t think you disagreed with anything i said there….

    i think most fans underestimated Maritimo, at least fans posting on here….they outplayed us in every facet the first time around….don’t know why anyone was expecting a large victory this time.

    …unless of course you are disagreeing with what the formation was. def 4231, not a 442. after the first 30 minutes, i think it’s still up to debate about which formation(s) were played from then on out, cause it was pretty horrendous.

  • 49 toonLYF // Nov 24, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    I think Pardew should persevere with Cisse as a lone striker with Demba just in behind him in an advanced CF role. As i’ve said before Cisse thrives when he has space around him. Having Ba beside him in 4-4-2 halves the space Papiss has to work with.

    Tomorrow…

    ———————-Krul———————-

    Santon——Taylor——Williamson—–Anita

    ————–Tiote——–Perch—————-

    Sammy————–Ba————–Marveaux

    ————Papiss Demba Cisse—————-

    No brainer IMO.

  • 50 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 24, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    Super – I’m sure when pards arrived he told Ashley to build a heated indoor training area as the pitch they were training on used to injure people because it was too hard. It wouldn’t suprise me if there were more facilities like the old pitch that are substandard.

    I think the injuries are getting ridiculous now, teams must love playing us at the moment. We’ve got what, 11 senior players out?

  • 51 Super Magpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    Wizard
    Yeah, I remember Pardew saying that, I don’t know if we have actually done it. I’d think by now we probably have.

    And yes, we have 11 players out.Although if Jonas, Cisse and Perch return tomorrow it’s down to 8 so that’s an improvement. However, knowing us with injuries someone will probably get injured tomorrow. We need atleast 3 players to be brought in January. I will lose all respect for Ashley if we fail to do this. I already had no respect for Llambias so he can’t go down in estimation anymore than he has

  • 52 toonLYF // Nov 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    WOW! Kieron Dyer is not only playing a game of football, but he got a f-ing assist at Old Trafford!! There’s hope for us all lads.

  • 53 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 24, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    We desperately need someone like Hernandez from Man U to run the channels and create space IMO. Campbell could do the job in a few years but none of our strikers have a great deal of pace at the moment

  • 54 catchy in norway // Nov 24, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    Matty

    It was the playing what we wanted to see bit, yes I think ppl underestimated them , but I think Pardew gives teams to much respect from the start,
    At times there was only cisse in or around the box

    I’m not quite sure what formation he plays these days , but it’s very adaptable ( tongue and cheek comment)

    I’m not surprised we are 9 th in the chances dept, we get balls into the box,
    The problem is they come from our defenders hoofing it in there

    And giving the ball away to easy ,

    And I’m sick o Pardew saying he didn’t know why, if he don’t know why , should he be the manager???

    2-0 to Southampton or worse :(

  • 55 catchy in norway // Nov 24, 2012 at 4:39 PM

    Also on the injuries

    Teams get more when there not doing so well,

    Teams are winning injuries clear up

    Strange that

  • 56 beefman13 // Nov 24, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    Super magpie, with respect our training facilities are very good been there many times and if they are poor then I would love to see ones that are a lot better, I notice virtually all on here would play sammy b4 fergie, even though fergie has not imposed himself that much he is still so much less wasteful than sammy who lost possession or had it taken off him just about every time he had the ball, I like y but fergie has been made a bit of a scapegoat for me he put in se excellent crosses even in the first half against Swansea, and got cacti gives for shola who did not do over much to be fair, the ameobi brothers are good kids but by they are inconsistent!!!!

  • 57 Transfer Sage // Nov 24, 2012 at 4:46 PM

    Big pappa

    Spot on there. The key element we lack is out and out pace either wide or up front.

    We need somebody who can run in behind, works the channels, for the opposition to drop a little deeper to give the creative boys more room.

  • 58 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 24, 2012 at 4:49 PM

    Sunderland 2 – 4 West Bromwich A.

    Everton 1 – 0 Norwich C.

    Manchester U. 3 – 1 Queens Park R.

    Stoke C 1 – 0 Fulham

    Wigan Athletic 2 – 2 Reading

  • 59 Transfer Sage // Nov 24, 2012 at 4:50 PM

    Beefman

    I thought fergie has been good most games but Swansea was disappointing.

    His crossing made the box which is better than half our team but not many found a man. He isn’t helped by the fact he only has one or two to aim for but the crossing was a little off that day.

  • 60 mattyNUFC // Nov 24, 2012 at 4:55 PM

    the injuries thing is and always has been a guise managers try to hide behind. are we depleted? sure, but what’s the excuse for the crap football when we did have a full squad?

    Look at Everton….same as us really. they’ve got their entire back 5 but have been missing key players up top and in the MF

    anyway, catchy,

    i agree. i think everyone agrees. if pardew spots a 1-0, that’s it. push for one more buuuut not too much, sit back, let me take a winger out of the picture for another CB or CDM. just boring, boring, predictable stuff.

    actually just had a read on the article when pardew was appointed. quite funny actually. all the pessimists saying this (the present ‘this’) is what we’ll get, the optimists assured CH couldn’t get us to the next level and AP was the man for the job. Charlton, WHU and SFC fans coming on and saying if we’re lucky we’ll get one good season out of him. kinda what it’s shaping up to be.

  • 61 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 24, 2012 at 5:02 PM

    Wigan Athletic 3 – 2 Reading

  • 62 davis_toons // Nov 24, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    WiGAN Playing playing another TEAMWORK Passing Football, Just like WBA, 3 good setup goals. The last was a really good team effort to pull it back for Gomesz 3rd.

  • 63 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 24, 2012 at 5:21 PM

    davis_toons

    I love you. Be my wife?

  • 64 Graeme // Nov 24, 2012 at 5:24 PM

    Jesper, scum 2 – 4 WBA is a far more satisfying result to see mate lol

  • 65 davis_toons // Nov 24, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    I think most of us knows that the Passing football played by WBA (Steve Clerk) and Wigan (Matinz) Swansea (M.Laup) was better football every week..

    I dont even mind we play like Stoke, but the players we have got don’t not even “take shots”. How are we going to play as effective as they does?

    Even Stoke does have a Style of play if you even notice, their corner was specially design to suit their style.

    Just hope that AP and his team can come out with better ideas to improve the team play

  • 66 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 24, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    Boudebouz, Sissokho, Debuchy and Alderewerield will sort this out.

  • 67 davis_toons // Nov 24, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    Our transfer policy maybe represent like Arsenal, but our play surly does not. they have a Wenger whom have lots of experience and knowledge of the game.

    All these years, whatever the players that goes into the Arsenal team (young, youth or old) play good football or passing football. Never was there a chance of Long Ball EVEN most of the 1st team was injury or not playing.
    NO EXCUSE from Wenger.

    I believe is the Manager and staff that program the team on how to play.

    Its good we can just win with any style for now, but how long can the good quality players take it? and the longer this style stays with us we will go nowhere.

    It only display the ugly side of us, for sure this current team can play better passing football , just like WBA, WIGAN, SWANSEA even some lower leg team.

  • 68 CisseIsALegend // Nov 24, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    There’s no point saying who we should buy. It’s not gonna happen. What we should do is get behind the team because the crowd at games clearly makes a big impact eg. When we beat man utd last season

  • 69 89Norcal // Nov 24, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    mattyNUFC

    I know we are capable of some entertaining football because last year we had a few great team goals. I’m not a fan of Pardew’s super defensive style to close games, but it worked well last season, hence why he didn’t stray too far this season.

    But this season has seen an unbelievable amount of injuries so far, and our backline has hardly been healthy for more than a couple games. Add to that the collective poor performances of our midfield and this is what you get.

  • 70 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 24, 2012 at 5:52 PM

    Graeme…lets just hope we can build on that tomorrow ;)

  • 71 Graeme // Nov 24, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    Jesper, I’m actually quite keen to see Ranger play – dont know why, but I think he and Cisse could be a very dangerous pairing.

    Despite all his history, Ranger has some blistering pace, knows where the goal is and it would be completely different to how we usually play over the last 4 months!!

    Maybe its time to try something a bit radical!!!

  • 72 ToonDownSouth // Nov 24, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    matty

    Glad you noticed the difference in our play for the first half of the Maritimo game – everyone on here was moaning about how poor we looked, but I thought completely the opposite. We didn’t look great, but when you’re retaining possession you’re only going to get better and more fluid.

    Krul was imediately throwing the ball out every time he got it as well. But in the second half, back to the old Newcastle.

    Does Pardew panic (just like those on here were) that we don’t look quite as solid defensively, or that we’re not getting the ball in the box enough, and tell Krul to start smashing it again?

    I don’t blame Ba for leaving in January if he does. The poor guy spends 60 minutes of every game chasing lost causes on his own. It’s embarassing.

  • 73 Transfer Sage // Nov 24, 2012 at 6:06 PM

    I think the crowd plays a much smaller impact than before. These players have played at bigger, noisier grounds than in prem league.

    It might help a bit but no where near as much as some think.

  • 74 ToonDownSouth // Nov 24, 2012 at 6:07 PM

    Graeme

    Ranger knows where the goal is?

    Where have you got that from haha? His finishing has always beeen horrific when he’s played!

  • 75 Graeme // Nov 24, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    I put it down to the fact his mind was elsewhere at the time mate – living in hope I guess lol

    But, he did bag a few for reserves I believe!!

  • 76 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 24, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    Graeme…change is always good and I am th first to advocate Pardew should ‘kill his darling” – hell he should have done that a long time ago.

    …most say I am a bit skeptical about Ranger to say at least! He’s been handed an olive branch sp lets see how he handles that – then I’ll give my verdict :D

    I am not so keen on playing with two forwards side by side; I prefer to play with two inside forwards and one in the box – I don’t think we can cross a ball to save our lives anyway so might as well do what we know we can do :)

    …hope we’ll thy something like what we tried in the first half against Maritimo, but this time make sure Cissé doesn’t go wide to often. We ended up playing 4-4-1-1 instead of 4-2-3-1, because of that (well not entirely just that :))

  • 77 Transfer Sage // Nov 24, 2012 at 6:13 PM

    Ranger played 30+ games for the senior team without a goal.

    I have no faith he will be of use and give him only a few weeks til he is back his old ways.

    But whilst he is on the pitch he will get my full support.

  • 78 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 24, 2012 at 6:14 PM

    …one moment – I am switching to my laptop (can’t spell apparently :))

  • 79 davis_toons // Nov 24, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    I still recall how Ranger, often slip and fall when he try to hold on to the ball…just like former Shola..whom keep having slip up because of some slippery boots that they wore that day.

  • 80 FatmanJoe // Nov 24, 2012 at 6:16 PM

    I don’t know if it’s been said already but ranger is terrible and it can only be one of two reasons why he’s in the squad a) mind games by pardew to wind up the home fans or b) punishment for ranger for being such a wally brain, as he’s gonna get loads of abuse by home fans.

  • 81 FatmanJoe // Nov 24, 2012 at 6:19 PM

    Worried about the next two games. Lose tomorrow ( and that’s probable), heads will drop in time to play Stoke who are confident and looking for revenge for last season. Can’t see us getting much except draws and that isn’t going to push us up the table.

    The negative side of me is predicting a 3-0 job tomorrow for the saints and a 2-0 to Stoke after. We don’t look like creating much at all – like the article says.

  • 82 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 24, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    Ranger to save our season! CL here we come :)

    How are we all doing?

  • 83 Graeme // Nov 24, 2012 at 6:54 PM

    No problems guys – I’m man enough to admit that I’m grasping at straws here lol – BUT, if playing Ranger pisses off a few of our other so-called strikers, I’m all for it.

    The team needs a bloody good shake up and maybe this is a way of doing it, I don’t know. If it works, its a stroke of genius, if it doesn’t, its cost nothing (Unless he scores in his own net). If its different to what we usually do, I’m all for it – cos what we usually do just isn’t working!!!

  • 84 Graeme // Nov 24, 2012 at 6:56 PM

    Ibiza – welcome back from your wanderings – hope you had a splendidly wicked birthday.

  • 85 catchy in norway // Nov 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM

    fatman,, watch it mate,, your starting to sound like me, ;)

    and wow, even belfast is sounding a little like me,,, may be he dosnt want him sacked,, but all the other noises are being made :D

    TDS

    i think most noticed some changes,

    but even in the first half it was a defensive set up, there may have been a bit more passing, krul should stick with throwing as his kicking is not that of full dutch international, or even a goalie from league one

    the sad part was CISSE was up there alone for the best part of the first half, and the amount of times he droped deep or to the wings was not right, i felt sorry for him

    i hope most agree, he isnt even on par with shola out side the box, but give him service in and around it,, he will come good,,

    anyhowz

    sack pardew, he is talking about these next 3 games being winable on paper, so where the last 3, all at home aswell

    WBA are 3rd right now, and for the right reason,, good football has got them there,, but player for player,, how many would you take from there squad ,, only 2 for me,, peter Olem and yosef malumbo,,

    amazing what a good coach can do

  • 86 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 24, 2012 at 6:58 PM

    Graeme….Many thanks. Had a very nice day, shame it can’t be that relaxed every day.

    How’s things been since Thursday night, did it go mental? Have people calmed down yet? Is there any hope for tomorrow?

  • 87 Graeme // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    err, balistic is one way of putting it!! I think a lot of people were ever so slightly miffed at the end result!!

  • 88 catchy in norway // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    IBIZAAAAAAAAAAA

    wow that was some party ;)

    Graeme

    good to hear mate,, i think most now are seeing the light, but you know what,, should it work tomorrow, its only gona last until his BIG players(darlings) come back, then it will be the same ol same ol

  • 89 catchy in norway // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:02 PM

    west brom sqaud

    nothing special
    http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/175

  • 90 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    Graeme….I imagined as much. I had to stop watching just before Marvs goal, so didn’t get to really watch the rest of the match. Haven’t even read peoples thoughts on it tbh. Whilst not great, we started well and looked the better team, was it a case of Benny getting injured? Still, that shouldn’t be throwing games like that.

    Anyway, that’s past, tomorrow is the next opportunity to turn things around. I guess the general feeling is that we wont do well?

    Catchy….Thanks for the various Birthday messages!

  • 91 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:09 PM

    Ibiza…well I was about to give up on you – but you deserve to be wished HAPPY BIRTHDAY :)

    And now to the song:

    Yesterday was your birthday, an occasion of joy and glee, A national holiday it should be…SOON. I can’t think of anywhere I’d rather be except for here to sing you this nice…TUNE. You were born… Long ago…

    I think you better just have a listen ;)

    http://www.americangreetings.com/ecards/the-singing-sock/pn/3117928?source=ag924&from_yh=0

  • 92 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    Jesper…Thank you. That song is…Epic!

    Thanks for not giving up on me :)

  • 93 ToonDownSouth // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:22 PM

    Sack Pardew?

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Who exactly would replace him?

    Secondly, why on earth would Ashley sack him? There’s not one possible reason I can think of for Ashley to fire someone he just gave 8 years to.

  • 94 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    Ibiza…well you deserve it! ;) lol

    …so how did you spend your birthday; with a bottle of Absolute and a few bikini girls?

  • 95 thepict // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    I have supported this club for nearly 50 years. I have never seen such negativity and criticism being spouted about the club. As for so called supporters booing our team they should be ashamed of themselves . Supporters negativity got our two best managers sacked – namely Joe Harvey and Bobby Robson. Maybe just maybe some “supporters” should try getting behind the manager and the team instead of criticising all the time.

  • 96 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    TDS…Long time no speak. Since when do we have to think things through to the realistic outcome? Pardew out, don’t worry about who would come in.

    Oh the joys of the internet!

  • 97 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:26 PM

    …I might as well come clean; I just don’t have the time so count me out!!!

  • 98 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:30 PM

    Jesper…..Too kind, too kind. The vodka stayed chilled yesterday, I struggled through with some bubbly throughout the duration – tough life and all that. Very chilled but nice day. Family, friends, steak dinner, what more could a man ask for? Well, maybe a win to talk about, but apart from that, it was a perfect day. Why can’t every day be my Birthday?

    Thepict….Well said. It’s as if we’ve never been through bad spells before.

  • 99 ToonDownSouth // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:30 PM

    Ibiza

    Hey mate, yeah I’ve been crazy busy with studying. Got distracted by the blog again yesterday unfortunately. How’ve you been?

    Watching the team has been pretty rubbish lately though to be honest. Fair enough we’ve had a lot of injuries to an already thin squad, but I don’t think that excuses the style of football we’ve seen.

  • 100 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    Aston Villa 0 – 0 Arsenal

  • 101 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    Ibiza…because then you wouldn’t appreciated it so much ;)

    …no bikini girls then?

    You’ll have my gift tomorrow – it’ll be shipped from Southampton :D

  • 102 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    TDS…..Not even the biggest of pardew fans has been claiming it’s been enjoyable football :) Something needs to get sorted, that’s for sure, but for me it isn’t changing the manager. Naturally though, that is the only answer for some, but I can’t keep asking the same as you just did, who would come in, realistically?

    All going well with me, thanks. Impressed by how long you’ve managed to stay away and I hope the crazy studying is paying off. It’ll be worth it in the end :)

  • 103 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:38 PM

    Jesper…No bloody bikini girls. Apparently it’s not warm enough so they’ve all been sent to some other warmer location. Next year I am going on the bikini girl world tour, it seems the only logical thing to do, 12 months of sun and girls in bikinis..

  • 104 Dannyo // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:38 PM

    So whatare we on about?
    And i will. Not take part in AP sacking discussions.
    Such discussions belongs with children and people with goldfisb memories.

  • 105 Dannyo // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Bloody ipad and its typing…

  • 106 BelfastMagpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Nasty rumours on the blog yesterday,that Ibiza was making romance with another man on his birthday.

    Care to comment Ibiza?

  • 107 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Ibiza…to the Venga mobile ;) lol

  • 108 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    Dannyo….I’m with you, anything but that discussion. It’s been discussed so much that even is he was fired tomorrow I wouldn’t want to talk about it. Never again shall the words Pardew and fired be used together!

    What else is there to talk about though? :)

    Anyone got any player updates for tomorrow? Who’s out? Who’s back? Has Pardew

  • 109 giimps // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    Moneal apparently tendered/offered his resignation, i think he deserves a medal for doing a great job

  • 110 north_country_boy // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    Krul
    Simpson Willo Taylor Santon
    Tiote Anita
    Obertan Marveaux Ferguson/Sammy
    Ba

    Should be enough to do a job tomorrow – what do you guys reckon? Prob best we can do at the min – maybe swap Simpson for Anita and bring Jonas into midfield if fit?

  • 111 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:42 PM

    vowed to never stray away from 4-4-2 again?

    Belfast….And why would that be a nasty rumour? All I will say is I had a very special day….but I’m walking just fine today ;)

    You pr*ck x

  • 112 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:43 PM

    I think Marveaux will start tomorrow…Pardew sort of game that away :-)

  • 113 BelfastMagpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:44 PM

    It wasnt me who started it.

    Without sounding like a grass,It was Catchy.

  • 114 Dannyo // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:44 PM

    @Ibiza
    Despite all our injuries, i have a tough time sorting out formations and starters tomorrow.
    I know who i want, but i just cant guess who AP wants…

  • 115 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:46 PM

    North Country….

    I wouldn’t mind seeing either of the following

    —————Krul—————
    Simmo-Taylor–Willo-Santon
    ——Anita—-Tiote—Guti—-
    ——Obertan—-Ba—-Marv—

    Or

    —————–Krul————–
    Simmo–Taylor–Willo–Santon
    ————Tiote–Guti———–
    —–Obertan–Marv—Fergie—
    —————–Ba—————–

  • 116 Graeme // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:46 PM

    Ibiza @103

    Do they all have to be so overdressed?? Surely not all the time lol

  • 117 BelfastMagpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:46 PM

    Apparently O’neil has offered to quit.

    According to Espn.

  • 118 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:48 PM

    It’ll either be a 4-4-1-1 or 4-4-2 – start filling in players :-)

    …I am naiv at heart so I am still gunning for some sort of 4-3-3 lol

  • 119 nimo // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:49 PM

    belfast just been in talk sport o Neil quit

  • 120 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:49 PM

    Graeme….You’re absolutely right. The bikini’s are just their going out clothes. They slip in to something a bit more comfortable when they’re relaxing.

    Dannyo….It’s Southampton. I think he’s going to want to bring his game tomorrow. Question is, can he? I know what you mean though, he’s a tough one to guess.

    Belfast…Thank you for bringing it to my attention. You are a good chap. Would you like a sticker or a balloon?

  • 121 Graeme // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    O’Neil has far to much work to do before he could even contemplating walking away. They are still in Prem, with 3 good divisions below them to try out first lol

  • 122 Dannyo // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    @belfast
    Really?
    Mackems aside, it would be a mistake imo.
    ONeill done well with Villa and Leicester in his time, needs more time imo.

  • 123 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:52 PM

    O’Neil…Don’t quit. Firstly, you’re doing a top top job, better than I could do myself. All toon fans congratulate you on your efforts. More importantly though, if you quit, there will be a small bunch of our fans that think you’ve set a wonderful example and that another manager should do the same. The truth is, we all know that if you decide to quit, it’s just because you can’t face having to live and work in that bog of a place. Anyway, i’m getting side tracked. Keep up the good work.

  • 124 BelfastMagpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:55 PM

    That was my exclusive,just before anyone else claims it.

    Autographs later boys.

  • 125 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:57 PM

    Belfast…Still pretending to be able to write?

  • 126 BelfastMagpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:57 PM

    I dont think O’neill is the problem.

    Most of there players are just rubbish.lol

    Anyways im off.

  • 127 BelfastMagpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:59 PM

    Ibiza get back to ur man friend you swine.

    Goodbye! :-)

  • 128 nimo // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:59 PM

    sorry belfast giimps got to it 1st

  • 129 Graeme // Nov 24, 2012 at 7:59 PM

    Ibiza, delighted to hear it; I trust they get lots of relaxing time, its good for them lol

  • 130 Dannyo // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:03 PM

    @Ibiza
    Mine:

    Krul
    Simmo-Saylor-Willo-Santon
    Anita-Tiote-Fergy
    Marveux-Cisse-Ba

    APs:
    Simmo-Saylor-Willo-Santon
    Anita-Tiote
    Marveux-Ba-Jonas
    Cisse

    Given Cisse being fit ofc, it still feels like a wild guess tho.

  • 131 Graeme // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:03 PM

    Question – Would O’Neil deserve the Manager of the Year award – if he manages to get scum relegated in just one season??

    My personal opinion – that achievement would take him above Agent Bruce on the all time list of Special Agents!!

  • 132 ONLINE GUY // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:03 PM

    Christmas shopping today with some American friends , Popped into a bar to watch 2nd half of Sland v WBA

    About 100 in the bar all rooting for West Brom apart from 3 mackems !… the rest of the guy’s, at least 90-7 ish people…(quick head count,) are Newcastle fans ..

    How we Applauded !!

  • 133 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    Belfast…Take it easy :)

    Graeme….The last thing you want is tense bikini girls. They need lots and lots of relaxing time. It’s good for everyone.

    Right lads, I will catch up with you tomorrow. 3pm Wizard time, right?

    Positive thoughts everyone. Use those jedi mind tricks, whatever, but let’s do our bit and try and make tomorrow and enjoyable one. I can hear the clanging of prongs twanging. Put them down! :)

    Night.

  • 134 ONLINE GUY // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    Sparky for S/land

  • 135 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:08 PM

    Dannyo…I’d be happy with that. Actually, I don’t care at this point who goes on the field, in what formation, I just want to see the same fight they showed last season. It may not have been beautiful football last season, but there was great spirit and belief and to be honest, that was a joy to watch in itself. Let’s get back to that for now.

    Bye for now.

  • 136 Graeme // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:11 PM

    Online Guy – he’s far too good for that shower down the road.

  • 137 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:17 PM

    Wow
    The blog seems to have finally calmed down a bit!

    Belfast
    Lennon has also offered to quit after celtic were booed off after another poor showing in the league which he claimed was due to the squad being fatigued due to the CL schedule
    Cant be true though as only pards use’s europe as an excuse apparantly ;)

  • 138 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:18 PM

    Ibiza
    Did you have a good birthday?

  • 139 catchy in norway // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:21 PM

    Dannyo

    your all hypicrits if you come on here and start picking teams for pardew, that suggests youthink he is picking the wrong team

    if you want to back the guy then back him, teams formations the lot,,

    but dont have a go at others for saying this isnt good enough and then you pick who he should play

    if you think he is doing a good job, even in these hard times then let him get on with it, and leave it to me to be the neggative one

    belfast

    you grass ;)

  • 140 Dannyo // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    @tads
    Europe has nothing to do with it, look at Liverpool and Tottenham, both having fenomenal seasons after having strengthened too…

  • 141 catchy in norway // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    TDS

    his BDAY was yesterday :D

  • 142 toonking // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:25 PM

    good to see it calm
    btw anyone heard the reports surrounding o-neil resignating

  • 143 ToonDownSouth // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:26 PM

    catchy

    Are you suggesting that there’s only 2 options here?

    Either support every single tiny decision Pardew makes, down to the colour of his tie.

    Or call for his head?

    You know there’s a middle ground – a middle ground in which 99% of fans likely lie.

  • 144 Dannyo // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    @catchy
    I back my wife through thick and thin, that doesn’t mean i agree with everything she does and says.
    One always hopes for the best no matter what the decisions.
    It’s not hypocritical whatsoever,

  • 145 Dannyo // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    @toonking
    The claims of Oneill possible departure has already been rebuffed.

  • 146 jimmysmith // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:31 PM

    But the good news has to be that there’s only one way to go – and that’s up.

    That’s true – isn’t it? :D

    Those words Ed, literally put a momentary knot in my stomach and sent a shiver down my spine.

  • 147 sirtoongospel // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:33 PM

    I have a feeling Ba will be moved to the left tomorrow. We are a bit thin on the ground and I have a feeling Pards will move him to left. We can play 4-3-3 when we have the ball, which instantly becomes 4-5-1 when we lose it. With potentially Jonas and Perch tucked in with Cheick, we should be rock solid, and we can unleash Demba, Cisse and Marveaux on the break. Ia fancy us for a 2-1 win, but them scoring late. Job done in Europe, I think that we will concentrate on the league now and improve things

  • 148 wreker16 // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    Anyone else heard Nathaniel Clyne say he almost joined Newcastle last year? Another one we might have had

  • 149 toonking // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:37 PM

    dannyo
    i like your team but i would go with bigi over anita but we have our choices and yours is still good.

  • 150 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    Dannyo
    Aye spuds and fool are lighting the league up ;)

    Catchy i know it was thats why i asked if he had a good ine instead of wishing him a good one!

  • 151 sirtoongospel // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:45 PM

    I like the team too Dannyo. My only change would be Jonas for Fergie as we are away from home. But the shape and everything is what I would love to see on a permanent basis. The odd player might have to be changed through injury/suspension etc, but for me the formation that suits us best should remain. I thought Papiss was looking sharper the other night and I am sure that goals are just around the corner.

  • 152 Hobs // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:45 PM

    Totaly agree that we lack creativity. I think most of our goals are not a result of good play, but 1 or 2 players that suddenly do something fantastic. I think we’re slow and predictable going forward, and we only score when Ben Arfa og Ba does something on their own. The rest of the team is basically defending and keeping posession.

    Maybe the reason we’re not doing as well as last year (when we had less injuries) is that other teams adapt to our play and try and take Cabaye and Ben Arfa out of the game. Without them there’s not much happening.

    Also I think we miss a hard working player up front, to make space for the other striker. Notice how Ba stopped scoring when Leon Best didn’t play? Cisse is a different player, so Ba must to the hard work and doesn’t get to as many chances anymore.

    I think we have a playing style that fits out best 11 very well. But when we have key players injured the backups find it hard to score goals. Agree?

  • 153 Dannyo // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:45 PM

    @toonking
    Biggie would be equally good, but i fear he’s more similar to Tiote than Anita. Anita has more pace tho than Biggie and Tiote.

  • 154 giimps // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:51 PM

    Wreker, Clynes choice not to come apparently.
    Im pleased Moneal hasnt actually resigned, dont mean he didnt offer though.
    He still has a long way to go to get them where they belong…..lol

  • 155 Gateshead-Mag // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    alreet lads

    agree with dannyo there like, bigi and tiote although both good players are virtually identical in styles. anita and tiote for me would be the better option

    nervous about tomorrow like. how long will ba and cisse be played in a front 2 and not gel before it is changed?? hopeing for something new tomorrow

  • 156 Dannyo // Nov 24, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    @Hobs
    You deffo have a few interesting points. Altho, at the same time, a few players just havent been up to par.
    Hba has been good, but is now closed down by 2-3 players everytime, and he’s not always going to create that magic without a bit of luck.
    Cabaye took a while to get going, then he did, but got injured.
    But we do perhaps rely too much on a certain set of players, forgetting the team game. And that has been showing tbh.

    Selection is too predictable now, we kept all star players and added little, giving opposition little new questions to ask, no matter the formations. And when we try to ask new questions, it’s with younger players yet to establish themselfes properly.

    All in all it’s a mix of form, injuries and inexperience.
    Ciss did look better against Maritimo tho, he worked allot harder.

  • 157 Ian Toon // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:05 PM

    It’s said that time finds you out! It’s not just a political career that ends in failure but that of a football manager. Maybe time will find out Pardew but if it is this season it’s hard not to conclude that we will be relegated. The flaky types, the negative bloggers, who could be accused of having a limited understanding, an almost armchair critic awareness of football. Certainly what the role of a true supporter entails. Those who gleefully talk, from their shadowy conclaves, of chickens coming home to roost eg Rotonda, Catchy and matty NUFC are being seen by the loyal true supporters ” Like Eddie the Eagle giving flying lessons to Humpty Dumpty”. They also don’t score on the grounds of educating, entertaining and informing. The big shame is those regular bloggers who don’t need the negativity like Bollance.
    Bollance – I thought of you when I learnt that Brad Inman had gone on loan to Crewe . Apparently he was an unused sub today. Your posts were always informative and welcomed by the more discerning fans. Don’t let the flip flop fans get you down. All the best your my kind of fan, mate.
    I personally see our fortunes improving which given the recent mediocre performances is not hard to believe . I also see Ashley protecting his investment by opening the financial coffers. Given the substantial tv money next season he recognises what’s at stake. I am still looking upwards at the league table. The diehard fans at St. Mary’s will be firmly behind NUFC will you!

  • 158 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:17 PM

    Ian i know are performances of late have been poor and i have not been confident about getting a point last 2 league games but i really do believe that we will get something tomorrow. We have to get behind them and do are bit not just sit back and wait for something to happen and the boo boys have to look at themselves and realise that its not as bad as it seems.

  • 159 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:19 PM

    *our

  • 160 Ian Toon // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:28 PM

    east – we’ve engaged before. I have good feelings going forward and I am fully attuned with your thinking. It would be good to get shot of the flip flop fans who have driven the loyal types away with their negativity. I can see us edging it. Jonas will give us a more solid presence. The saints will likely go 4-2-3-1 so it’s a good opportunity to match them.

  • 161 Jail for Ashley // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:34 PM

    I’d love to see Mashley spend a few quid in January and maybe he will but history tells us that unless some substantial money comes in for a player, big money or even reasonable money certainly won’t be getting spent,the magical 25M for Tiote isn’t going to happen so just who will be the sacrificial lamb to fund this next windows spending that some of our Mashley loving fans seem so certain will happen.

  • 162 Tsunki // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:34 PM

    Well said Ian @157. Its a war of attrition fending off the knee-jerk reactionaries. I am in no doubt that, if they were indulged their wishes, we would be a managerless championship side in no time and the only investment would be the fans’ in satnav updates to the ringroad and one way systems of torquay and bury.

    I really cant see Mike and Del taking such a beating over the last couple of years only to see what progress they had made burned to the ground by lack of commitment. The guy is a winner and does not contemplate financial disaster, so i expect signings in january. He incentivises, knowing that personally investing in an enterprise is the most motivating force you can give an employee, thats why Pardew must be given a good length of rope.

    Finally, what is a ‘fan’ or a ‘supporter’? What comes to my mind are faithful thick and thin supporters of clubs from major cities in the PL to unheard – of outpost towns you’ve never been to, supporting their team through all sorts of mediocre and awful times. Why on earth would the supporters of perennial underacheivers NUFC get so hot under the collar about elusive cups and winless runs of two or three matches? I am disappointed as any fan when things aren’t going great, but I can say that one of the best seasons I have enjoyed in many years was the Championship one, great atmosphere at games, cameraderie, expectation, triumph. And all we did was climb back to the bottom rung of the next ladder. Magnificent! The trouble is complacency – when the exceptional becomes the expected and we falter, the unrealistic ‘fans’ complain. But you wont see them typing their praise when it goes right, there’ll just be silence, waiting for the next slip so they can whine again.

  • 163 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:36 PM

    Ian

    I think pards might be forced to play 4-3-3 with ba on the left/right but only he knows and i think he will really want to win against these and we have a good opportunity to do so. The players know what they have to do and im sure the travelling nut cases will do their bit tomorrow, we play with no pressure away from home, last time we were saying how we miss a nolan type player in the middle to give others a good kick up the arse when needed you think tiote would be able to do it but hes not vocal on the pitch neither is cabs.

  • 164 beddersmag // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:38 PM

    Off topic but anyone have a stream for the hatton fight?

  • 165 solano // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:40 PM

    Ian Toon @157…an interesting post!
    The ‘flip floppers you have tagged, I hope you realise, were always those of the more positive persuasion when it came to the perception of where the club was moving under the infamous ’5 year plan’.
    Those dubbed ‘neggers’ for a longtime – were derided by some of those you name above. However, your inference that some are ‘better’ fans than others puts you on dodgy ground.
    Circumspection and even cynicism, comes from experience and a well founded knowledge of Newcastle history. ‘Getting behind the team’ when the match is in play has imo never been in doubt, but that shouldn’t exclude the right to voice opinions and concerns.
    I have rarely agreed with much that those you name have written, but I would defend their right to type it and would say it is definitely within the remit of what the role of a true supporter entails.
    The role of the fan has diminished massively not only as part of a general malaise in football but at our club in particular in the last 4 years, shown by a consistent contempt by the regime for its core fans.
    I don’t agree with the growing calls for an end to Pardew’s reign but nor do I agee with the ‘let’s just have faith’ in the team and regime side. My consistent stance is the root cause of our struggles is lack of ambition and flawed and complacent senior management of football affairs. ‘Opening of coffers to protect investment’ under Ashley and Llambias will never translate into genuine footballing success, but merely treading water and letting the so-called ‘bigger clubs’ compete for the prizes.

  • 166 Tsunki // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:42 PM

    Dannyo @156 –

    “All in all it’s a mix of form, injuries and inexperience.”

    That, people, is the simple observation that eludes the jeremiahs of this blog.

  • 167 giimps // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:45 PM

    A few players may be back vs Saints, Perch (who i myself have slated in the past) can and does do a job wherever he is put.
    Cisse, whom i believe will be better without Benny as the ball may get to him through the midfield.
    Gutti, has been getting a raw deal from some “fans”, when in reality, he probably draws more fouls than any toon player (If only we had a good dead ball specialist to get us a goal).
    Ranger, again, not everyones cup of tea but he has pace and power and can change a game (Hopefully he may get on to prove himself for a few minutes, it will be like having a new signing and an unknown entity, rather than relying on Benny for Guile and trickery).
    These are my reasons to be positive and I believe we can and will win tomorrow and may even see Cisse get a brace.
    I dont hold with the Pardew out brigade, we have had a bad run but are 2 wins from a European place, and 5 weeks from possible reinforcements.
    HWTL

  • 168 Tsunki // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:49 PM

    Solano – when you have stated your case clearly a number of times, thats fine, but when you plug it ad nauseam thats canvassing. Thats what I dont like.

  • 169 darrenfletcher88 // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:51 PM

    If we get beat tomora mr pardew will be under so much pressure to keep his job like

  • 170 Graeme // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:51 PM

    Solano, @ 165 Nice post.

  • 171 solano // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:53 PM

    Tsunki…I see your argument hasn’t changed either. ie Mike is a top businessman therfore we will be a top club!
    I’ll always defend the right for you to talk crap ;-)

  • 172 Tsunki // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:53 PM

    darrenfletcher88 – Really? From you?

  • 173 darrenfletcher88 // Nov 24, 2012 at 9:58 PM

    We’re u at the European game Tsunki???

  • 174 Tsunki // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:01 PM

    Solano – Touche!

    I dont think he is ‘Top’ as in my favourite money making fat bloke. He is the man who took the SJP sign down, screwed KK, sunk to a sponsorship with Wonga, plastered the ground with his tacky ads…. I will not go on, suffice to say that my logo of a Sports Direct Mug’ is a self-deprecating observation. But by business definition he is in fact ‘top’ by virtue of being successful whilst his competitors dwindle in a recession. I merely point out the fact that the loathsome personalities they must surely be i real life does not dilute their ambition to succeed, and that is what I base my assumption on. Whether I am talking crap as you say is something that has yet to be observed. But as you have just rightly defended, I am equally entitled to talk as much of it as you.

  • 175 Tsunki // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:02 PM

    darren Nope. next question.

  • 176 BelfastMagpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:04 PM

    Tšunki

    Red sauce or Brown sauce?

  • 177 Tsunki // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:06 PM

    Belfast – not so fast with the toughies mate!

  • 178 stuart no9 // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:07 PM

    tsunki@ 162 – what a heap of drivel.

  • 179 solano // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:09 PM

    Tsunki…and your definition of success? As a fan you seem to indicate above that it is ridiculous to even think about cup success, so is it balancing books and treading water? If it is, then I look forward to seeing you on the open top bus parade when the club finally shows a balck trading year on their books. Enjoy it, because they are unlikely to then miraculously ‘open the coffers’ but may indeed start paying themselves back for the £150m that we apparently owe the owner! Where did all the ambition and money go?

  • 180 Tsunki // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:09 PM

    Solano – btw I just thought I may have inferred that I didnt like YOU restating your case ad nauseam etc, I was referring to your point about other posters with negative views having the right to express views. Thought I’d clear that up.

  • 181 BelfastMagpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:09 PM

    Its always a tough question that one..

    Anyway there’s no fires to put out,or bombs to defuse,so im outa here. :-)

  • 182 Dannyo // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    @Tsunki
    I’m honored that you put my line in italic.
    It looks so profound :)

  • 183 solano // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:16 PM

    Tsunki..oh you misread me! I take it back now that you love me again ;-)
    Well, actually I still fail to see how the acknowledged ‘loathsome characters’ can take us any further, so maybe undying blind faith by the fans in their business acumen is counter productive?

  • 184 Dannyo // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:18 PM

    Reading interviews of a few targets we had in the summer, it doesn’t seem for the want of trying.
    Debuchy move simply blocked, Douglas wanted to remain to get his citizenship, Clyne opted for a move closer to his home and promises of regular first team football, De Jong going for an overrated price…

    Yes, there are probs other targets out there, but if we’re down to one or two in each targeted position, putting all our money on getting extensivily scouted and researched players firstly, then how long can you argue we wont spend?

    Looking at a huge increase in TV money in the UK and abroad (USA) and adding a much increased sponsorship in Wonga, and further decrease in wages, you have to think we’re now well on the plus side of economics and will have no problem going the extra mile if a deal is close.

    Two words: Watch January.

  • 185 ToonDownSouth // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:18 PM

    Pardew will not be under any pressure to keep his job if we lose tomorrow.

    There is absolutely zero chance of Pardew losing his job.

  • 186 Tsunki // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:18 PM

    stuart no 9 – how do you know?

    Solano – I dont hink you know exaclty what my expectations are but you seem to be having a good time interpretiing it so carry on. My stance is mostly that I dont particularly like the present ownership, and that Pardew is not the greatest manager we could have hired. nor is the squad we have the most connected, but its what we have. Closing in on sacking Pardew is specious and unproductive. Expecting the owners to sell up has been proved to be unlikely. So for now, I am hoping that the owners’ steep learning curve in this business will bear fruit in the long-term, and that the current manager will by virtue of less injuries and a consistent team selection turn results round and gradually we will see a continuance in what has been proved to a steady improvement since promotion. I just cant bring myself to panic over the current inconsistency of the team to the extent that some do. For the record, I think we may still finish top 6 but there will be no cups in the cupbaord this year. Thats reality and I expect it, for the moment. Its a work in progress and it needs time.

  • 187 Marty-Toon // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:19 PM

    Nervous about tomorrow’s game,I and many others don’t expect us to do any good and maybe that’s good for the team as then they can shock us in a nice way and give us a nice weekend for a change.
    Maybe the team can watch WBA game and see how they pass the ball to eachother and work as a team with pace and movement.
    Impressive for a team that has no “big name internationals”
    I personally whenever we get a CB in would like to see Collo in midfield,the guy is calm on the ball and has a good eye for a pass.
    This would help our back four as he doesn’t have the pace for defence

  • 188 Tsunki // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:21 PM

    Stuart no 9 was that drivel as well?

  • 189 FatmanJoe // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:25 PM

    That’s an interesting thought Marty. Could work. Colo has the attributes to be a decent defensive midfielder.

    We definitely need defensive cover come January.

  • 190 Tsunki // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    No reply @stuartno9. Whoa there had some trouble qualifying that statement? Ran out of crayons? Next time you make a noise…have a point.

  • 191 FatmanJoe // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    Alright tsunki? Give the jist of tonights conversation… What’s Stuart done and said?

  • 192 Tsunki // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:30 PM

    Well cant wait for that brain to stir into action I need sleep. Later everyone.

  • 193 Tsunki // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:31 PM

    FMJ – alright mate its his post @ 178. Thought he was ready to correct my erroneous thinking but the fuse obviously burnt out :)

  • 194 Tsunki // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:32 PM

    best thing is I agree with him but he needs to find out why himself, its for his own good.
    :D

  • 195 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:33 PM

    I think Tsunki must work for the NUFC press office, his posts read like bland appraisal brochures, contrived and put forth to appease fans.

  • 196 FatmanJoe // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:33 PM

    Ah I see, you’re talking drivel again ;-)

  • 197 Tsunki // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:34 PM

    Fake Ruddy – rumbled I see. Damn.

  • 198 FatmanJoe // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    Fake ruddy on hand to dip in, give someone a quick kick in the shin and then run off again.

  • 199 Tsunki // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    I’m only guilty of having low expectations but it has never let me down. Disappointment has always been a stranger :)

    Nighty night.

    Stuart – I’ll check on your reply when you have drummed it up in a day or so.

  • 200 BelfastMagpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 10:56 PM

    Hats off to Steve Clarke like.

    All them years as a number two seem to be paying off.

    They look a very good side.

  • 201 FatmanJoe // Nov 24, 2012 at 11:02 PM

    Hate west brom but can’t help but admire and cheer them on at the moment. Good on ‘em! And what a season for Clarke!

    And o Neil talking about quitting. Do we think the scum might be in real trouble at the moment?

  • 202 BelfastMagpie // Nov 24, 2012 at 11:24 PM

    You killed the blog fatman.

    Murderer..

  • 203 FatmanJoe // Nov 24, 2012 at 11:31 PM

    I’ve done it twice in the same thread if you look earlier on.

    I’m not proud of my actions and I apologise profusely.

    (going for a third time…)

  • 204 Gateshead-Mag // Nov 24, 2012 at 11:36 PM

    …………………..

  • 205 Marty-Toon // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:06 AM

    Anyone see leighton baines play today?
    One word,Quality
    We could even learn from wigan today with their deliveries into the box,something we’ve been lacking too much this season.

  • 206 stuart no9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:35 AM

    hi tsunki- i’m back. sorry its late but more important issues developed. First, drooled over MOTD – then just in case pards dosnt get his finger out, checked out the opposition for next season on the football league show.
    I see you were non too pleased however with my remark to your post @162. never before have i caused such a stir from such a short post. so bad, that it was followed by a string of childish comments and insults normally reserved for when one realizes that maybe his argument on whatever the subject they are discussing may be wearing thin,then a change of tactic is needed.
    Your thoughts on unrealistic fans not typing their praise when it goes right is bazaar.over the years i have met many NUFC fans, however ,i have never met 1 who would not give the praise deserved for an individual display or a team performance, however the opposite applies when we should be doing better , players/ managers do get slated, its what comes with their £1000s in wages, and my £50 entrance every couple of weeks, the fans you say dont give credit when due, must reside closer to your vicinity.

  • 207 Mister Tuff // Nov 25, 2012 at 2:24 AM

    Pardew statement to give Marveaux a boost (NOT).
    AP was recently talking about Marveaux -part of his statement was :-
    “He needs to be (a big player) because we are down to that sort of level where people like Sylvain are going to get a start.”
    I wonder if Marveaux believes from this statement that he is a “purple” player -I suspect not. Pardew might of well said something along the lines of :-
    “He needs to be (a big player) because we are now scraping the bottom of the barrel where people like Sylvain are going to get a start”.
    Pardew has a history of making verbal gaffes going back many years -he talks to much sometimes -in areas he should avoid- but he just seems not to be able to control himself/his mouth.
    The modern day managers of big clubs probably get sick of doing the daily PR briefing to satisfy the clamour for news by the press/fans -and probably put forward anything to satisfy the news requirement. Pardew should know when to shut up.
    When Pardew declared in the summer that Ba was to play 90% of the games he started as centre forward/central position – I wonder what another centre forward named Cisse thought about this public declaration of who was going to be playing in “his position”. I should think it was probably not positive.

  • 208 t00ntime // Nov 25, 2012 at 3:46 AM

    Mister Tuff, thats all taken out of context. Marveux knows he isn’t in a first 11 player atm cause we have better wingers. What AP meant (and probably what marveux thought) was: that because of injuries players who dont normally get a chance to prove them selves in the premier league now have the chance too.

    If you look at our team over the last 2 seasons you would know (like marv does) that this is what he means. He said pretty much the same about perch and after a few games he proved himself and even became a fan favorite. Marveux knows that AP meant now is a great time to show your worth and maybe even keep the starting 11 place for good.

    About Ba and Cisse. Both were brought in to by Strikers, right?
    AP wanted to play ba and cisse as a partnership as soon as he bought cisse. Due to certain things he changed formations a few times and Ba was left on the wing. The fact that AP said that a striker willl be playing as a striker is quite normal if you ask me… Cisse wont be angry because when he signed Ba was our striker so cisse knew he wud be partnerd with him or fight for a place with him. ATM ba is onform at rightfully starting, if cisse starts scoring i’m sure we will play with both upfront.

    Both ur statements of pardew not shutting up early enough are out of context and stupid.

    We have bigger problems to sort out than a manger who some fans dont listen too propely…

    O and imo if we cud starting making more chances Ba and Cisse upfront could work. The real problem is lack of chances(again imo)

  • 209 89Norcal // Nov 25, 2012 at 4:19 AM

    t00ntime

    well said, there hasn’t really been an abundance of chances for our strikers, who are clinical enough to turn half chances into goals consistently.

    Looking forward to the game, this is a real chance to turn things around. Hopefully Jonas comes back to life, he has been mostly impotent all season.

  • 210 Mister Tuff // Nov 25, 2012 at 4:34 AM

    t00ntime @#208
    thanks for responding.
    Firstly I do not think the contents of my post are taken out of context and stupid.
    My main purpose was to highlight the verbal gaffes by Pardew – he is well known for this -from his West Ham days onwards – slagging off West ham fans -recorded by newspaper at their training ground -I believe he later was sent on a PR course. Another famous one was saying one player had been “raped” by another -this was on Match of the Day. So no argument about those.
    Whilst it is certainly in order for the manager to say to a player they need to work harder or do this or that in order to progress privately – getting the phraseology wrong in a public article is not up to standard and can be construed in a way in which it may not have been meant.
    I have no doubt Marveaux knows how far down the pecking order he is -well if he didn’t he certainly knows now. We all hear about how players are affected by confidence -can you honestly say that if this was said about you your confidence level would not diminish.
    Unless Cisse is played in a central position (as centre forward) – he becomes somewhat redundant – he is a top class finisher – he needs a perfect ball from someone else -to be able to finish. I think that Ba and Cisse could play together -but thats down to coaching I suppose.
    Anyway – I’m off now.

  • 211 jimmysmith // Nov 25, 2012 at 5:04 AM

    He does seem to be babbling away a bit recently, to be fair to Mr Tuff.

  • 212 davis_toons // Nov 25, 2012 at 5:14 AM

    Whatever the style of football for now, we got to win a team like Soton. There are all championship players and settling in a upper league. Got to win it somehow. No excuses please. Be it home or away with our current available team of players.

  • 213 davis_toons // Nov 25, 2012 at 5:18 AM

    With millions of Dollars spend, a Draw will not be a good results! Unless, what we saw was good performance, good football by the team, be it long ball short ball.

  • 214 cyprus // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:38 AM

    Extremely interesting article on stats, with this conclusion:

    “Although Newcastle United currently find themselves in 12th place in the Barclay’s Premier League, they are not as different as many believe than the team that finished 5th last season. ”

    I think the naked eye could see this, if we don’t wear blinders. Even last year we bossed very few games. Only, then, we were deadly in attack. My conclusion: if we don’t want to experience a nasty adventure (won’t mention the word), we need luck, return to form of the man up front and to buy AT LEAST 2 ‘game changing’ Aguero-style players, who are immediately ready (a big ask) in January. Reality is, we ain’t good enough lads. We have some brilliant players but somehow not a cohesive team. This game must be viewed in cup-final mode, because it is! Players must work hard for 90+ minutes and they must realise that they’re no better than the opposition. A must win, against supposedly the weakest possible competition and a clear relegation candidate…

  • 215 jonobbad // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:52 AM

    Lmao@ tsunki, love the fact he insults someone for having something better to do.
    Wish all the regular ‘only my opinion is right because it’s positive’ would change the tune.
    Love the toon but I’d say at least 40% of the squad is not good enough.
    I feel like it’s 2009 again. We are playing utter crap

  • 216 jeff // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:25 AM

    would like to see this:

    krul
    simpson perch saylor santon
    anita tiote
    obertan marveaux sameobi
    ba

  • 217 catchy in norway // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:52 AM

    Good morning ppl

    Tunski , the trouble with having low expectations is you allow them to get lower, you settle for less , when in life we all want a little more

    Ppl think January is coming and all will be solved will be solved with a few signings ,
    A few obstacles in the way I that therioy
    1, all the good players will still be needed by there clubs because of there league or cup competition there in, clubs do not get rid of good players in jan unless the money is right,

    2, the money, sure it’s there , but going on what has been said and done in the past , I find it hard to think that lambass will suddenly say , ( example) hey lile, in the summer we offered you 4 million for debuchy and you wanted 6, but now it’s jan 2013 you wanna do that deal now? We offer u 5, they will come back and say yeh but we value him at 8 now ,
    Other clubs see where our problem lies, and will hold out for top fees, just like he did with AC
    I don’t think lambass is about to make a fool ov himself

    3, other clubs bidding on the few good players available, will also force the price high

    How many players do we need ?

    As it stands right now, I’d say between 3-5

    Good players , ones that will be ready for first team football , some how I just don’t see that happening

    If we do get these players, how will this change Pardews philosophy on how the game is played?
    I believe that is the bigger problem, we play negative football , we have since he got here so why would he change his beliefs ?

    So 2 things need to change , lambass’s policy on buying and Pardews philosophy on how the game is played ,

    Both wont because of there stubborn natures

    Hey but may be I’m just seeing it wrong




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