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Newcastle Need To Start Winning With Players Available

7:18 pm, Sunday, November 25th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 246 Comments

When you looks at today’s Newcastle side, we were only missing three players, who if fit would have started this game – Ben Arfa, Yohan Cabaye and Fabrico Coloccini -  so it’s not as if  we were short of a lot of our best players today, although those three could be the best we have in the squad.

Alan Pardew – at Southampton this afternoon

And then you think Vurnon Anita was filling in for Yohan Cabaye, who has a groin injury, and he was or best player today, then we should have done better than we did today – although Southampton deserved the win.

Newcastle are now 14th with just 14 points from our 13 league games, and we have Stoke City on Wednesday night, and we are just 4 points above Aston Villa, who are third bottom of the league.

We had better wake up and start playing somewhere near out best form fairly soon, otherwise this season could be a very bad one for Newcastle.   I’ll not mention relegation, because we have far too many good players for the club to be fighting relegation this season.

That’s true – isn’t it?

Alan Pardew has talked to the BBC after the game and he has said we are not playing well and also have had no luck – and that’s true enough:

“It was tough for us. I thought the intensity of Southampton was hard for us to cope with. In the second half, we should have equalized to square it up, although it might not have been deserved.”

“We are struggling at the minute. Southampton deserved to win today and we have got nothing to argue about. We are not playing with any great confidence.”

“Everything seems to be going against us and we have to be tough. We all need to grow very quickly because I don’t see many players coming back.”

Who would have thought we would be short of goals this season, but today’s clean sheet was Southampton’s first in the league this season,  after conceding 30 goals in their previous 12 games.

As we said, Newcastle are only 4 points above the relegation zone, but we are also only 7 points short of Everton on 21 points, who are in 5th position in the league.

Our players  need to start playing like their lives depended on winning – and a good time to start would be at Stoke City on Wednesday night.

It will be hard to take yet another defeat at the Britannia Stadium in three days time.

Very hard indeed.

What do you think?

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246 responses so far ↓

  • 1 BelfastMagpie // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    I think Ashley & Llambias think giving the manager a 8 year contract is a statement of intent.

    Signing 3/4 top players would be a much better statement of intent in my opinion. ;)

    I’m not actually really that shocked at the situation we find ourselves in,at the minute.

    It was always a possibility after the summer transfer window.

    Always a few injuries/suspensions away from a crisis with the current squad.

    It was the same last year,but we got lucky & managed to get away with it.

  • 2 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    We dont have a chance on wed night it will be 3/4-0

  • 3 Ashton // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    Just a gentle reminder “They hit the woodwork like 5 times and scored a perfectly good goal that was ruled out for an offside, and they should’ve had at least two penalties”

  • 4 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:26 PM

    Repost:

    Pardew and the team need so sort themselves out – that’s their job and responsibility.

    …everyone tries to find excuses, that being us fans or Pardew himself. He’s the silver supremo, he’s in charge and he picks the team, decide the tactics and chooses the formation.

    …If he wants help with that he can always call :D until then all I can do is support the team, but I will not say we play OK when we don’t especially when i got the impression after 30 min. that Pardew had given up!

  • 5 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:27 PM

    eaststand

    i don’t think it’ll be that bad, but, in reality, there is no better team to play than stoke to try to implement a good style of football against. now, as it has been every week, it’s over to AP and company to improve, because if we don’t turn it around at Stoke, who the hell in their right minds think we can get anything from arsenal or city, let alone a superior team-team, passing-team in Wigan with a far superior tactician at the helm.

    time to drop those balls you supposedly have, alan

  • 6 catchy in norway // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:28 PM

    3 players short of his best team,( not the one i would pick) his
    and we got taught how to play footbal by a team that has just came up

    and if he is talking about bad luck,, luck was on his side today. it should have been a hammering,,

    now thats lucky

  • 7 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:28 PM

    *this was suppose to go before my earlier post :)

    Wizard…it’s true we need to get behind the team, that’s all we can do, but…

  • 8 AJepson93 // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    Hi everyone, newcomer to the site, been a reader for some time…
    Worrying times indeed, but there must be some light at the end of the tunnel soon… Lets get behind the team at times like these. HWTL!

  • 9 PortsladeToon // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:32 PM

    Talk about short memories, reading back the last couple of topics on here is like reading the obituaries, I went to the game today as it’s not that far from me and yes i was disappointed but we will pick ourselves up we are just going through a bad patch with injury’s and moral is low but stick with it we will come through it.

    HWTL

  • 10 popscott // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:32 PM

    Hope he has learned his lesson once!

  • 11 MagpiesFlyHigh // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    A lot of mid ranked sides yo-yo from season to season and we are in that group.
    If managers and owners could work out why then they could find ways of sorting it out.
    As it happens, they can’t and the collective brain power on this blog is no closer to working it out either.

  • 12 pedro // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:36 PM

    Any fans saying they have put bets on us getting relegated and sold season tickets! Good riddance! You’re a disgrace to the club.

  • 13 Ashton // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:36 PM

    “I thought the intensity of Southampton was hard for us to cope with”

    Can’t believe how stupid he is! It’s Southampton ffs!! If we can’t cope with them why even play in the PL???

    This guy is not fit enough to manage us. And it’s our job as supporters of this club to realize this fact and voice our frustration. We are capable of much more. Even with the injuries and suspension. We had a better squad than Southampton today but they outclassed us so badly I’m thankful for a 2-0 defeat!.

  • 14 Mancgeordie // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:36 PM

    We was poor, we was lucky it was only 2 but playing 442 with BA n Cisse up top just doesn’t seem to work hopefully Ashley will back his manager with some decent funds to go with his 8 year contract if its really the utd n ars mould we are following but I doubt he will

  • 15 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:38 PM

    Pedro – ill drink to that :) good riddance

    Who thinks they should introduce standing areas again?
    And where would be the standing area at sjp?
    I think the obvious choice would be the gallowgate.

  • 16 check the toastie // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    JFA – i am not saying i am an Ashley fan, clearly we should have improved the squad in the summer, however the squad we have is still better with current injuries than most of the teams we play.

    Southampton were showboating against us today and i even seen Tiote just walking back when Soton were attacking, it reminds me of the time Gullit had lost the dressing room, it could be seen that we should be doing better and sure enough somebody (Bobby) came in and turned it around straight away.

    However the setup of the club will make it impossible to attract anybody who has a half decent managerial record, its all a bit of a mess.

    I do believe the squad we have is good enough for top 6 in the right hands, Ashley must be given a little credit for this, and it is better than signing old has beens like in the fat freddie era, ala QPR now.

    Ideally somebody who actually cares about the club would own it, however we are stuck with fatty until he sells, just hope he sacks Pardew as i have no faith in him and think the players need a shake up.

  • 17 pedro // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:42 PM

    Thanks Conaldo, I could do with a drink too!
    Would love a standing area at St James! The gallowgate would be immense

  • 18 PortsladeToon // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:42 PM

    check the toastie,
    So who would you get in as manager?, bearing in mind quite a lot of good one’s would think twice about coming here.

  • 19 NUFC STEVE // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:44 PM

    Love how pardew has more excuses than anyone after the match yet never says
    We need to change the way we play or
    I set us up wrong!!!
    Everyone new going into the game Southampton swamp the midfield to make themselves a good passing team yet that Pardew twat decides to play 2 up and hoof the ball up bypassing midfield and just swamp Tiote and make him look terrible. Just shite.

  • 20 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:44 PM

    Matty i really thought we would get atleast a point today today was our best chance to turn that corner, stoke will batter us on wed then its wigan at home and i think they will take the piss out of us we could really go on a massive loosing streak here, im fearing the worst.

  • 21 nick_9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:46 PM

    Conaldo also regarding atmosphere i think a lot of fans have forgotten that Ashley split up the singing section. Probably because of the FCB Chants. I would love a standing area but the government are about as stubborn as Pardew so it wont happen for a while yet

  • 22 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:46 PM

    Plus it would expand the capacity of the ground quite a bit. Anyone know what the capacity would roughly be with a standing area in the gallowgate?

  • 23 G // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:47 PM

    At least we are still above the mackems in the Prem, although that game in had they have is a concern.

  • 24 check the toastie // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:47 PM

    Ashton – maybe thats why the Europa league is so bad, all the teams we play against in the EL play at a lower intensity, so we have dropped ours to suit.

    It all makes sense now, that damn Europa League. What he should be saying is ‘i need to solve the problem why we are getting overran in most away games and cant match other teams workrate’, there is no excuse, we have so many problems currently, we dont enjoy possession at all and cant play our way up the pitch.

    Demba Ba for all his goals is contributing jack shit in general play, not even workrate, personally i would drop him and play Cisse up front by himself with pace or craft in a forward three, Pardew has even made young Sammy look terrible, we are currently a joke.

  • 25 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:48 PM

    Nick – yeah, but I hear that they are close to building a standing section down at villa, so maybes the rules might be changing a bit.

  • 26 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    Every club gets injury’s and suspensions Alan. Granted we have had more than our fair share this season but Pardews go to excuse seems to be “everything is going against us” really ?. Was Ba’s handball against reading going against us, or Everton’s disallowed goal. Pardew need to step and take responsibility by changing our system, whether it is formation or personnel and stop giving bullsh*t excuses every week

  • 27 Mancgeordie // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    Look I really can’t see pardew getting sacked with his shiny new 8 year contract unless he quits

  • 28 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:50 PM

    Personally would like too see pards throw down the challenge to the players to pick themselves up dust them selves down and get on with what there paid an obscene amount to do and play with some passion cos the i dint think it matters what tactics what formation we play the squad in half of them look like they cant be arsed if thats the case drop em give some one else a chance cos they cant do anyworse!
    I mean when did tiote forget that he is an athlete and is allow to run? Bloke was just walking around in parts!
    On the plus side anita looked like he’s starting to get to grips with the league and think we will see the best of him in the next couple of fixtures!

  • 29 check the toastie // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:52 PM

    I would go and try and nick Steve Clarke from West Brom, defo would have Martinez, however as i have said, we ended up with Pardew because nobody else would come on a shit wage working with such a tit as Del Boy.

  • 30 jimmysmith // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:53 PM

    “Newcastle Now Paying The Price For Being Too Thrifty”

    Another Mike Ashley clanger, but we know he does learn from quickly from mistakes that cost him money. So I think he’ll ultimately fix it, although I’m not convinced he’ll try to save this season for us in January.

  • 31 NUFC STEVE // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:54 PM

    FRANK DE BOER

  • 32 mkhalaf // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:55 PM

    I don’t care what anyone says about mike Ashley not strengthening the squad, we might have a sub par squad compared to the top 5 teams however the squad available is still much better than all of our last three opponents and we have no excuse not to get any points from our last three games,,, blame is 100% pardews,, even with all the injuries and the extra 1 game a week that everyone is making such a big fuss about smh we still should not lose three straight games to weak opponents (2 at home), any of our previous three opponents would be more than glad to trade squads even with our injury depleted squad,,, BLAME PARDEW

  • 33 NUFC STEVE // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:56 PM

    ALAN SHEARER

  • 34 Slank // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:56 PM

    The main problem is the team’s lack of confidence which is causing jitters at the back and a lack of inventiveness in midfield and risk taking in the forward line.

    It is affecting most of the players (Taylor, Santon and Tiote excluded). Within this downcast atmosphere some of the players are being exposed, some more than others. Fergie has a sweet left foot but never attacks his opponent. An occasional left wing cross just isn’t good enough. Sammy cannot control the ball and for such a big lad should be more intimidating but isn’t. Simpson poses no threat going forward. Williamson is an accident waiting to happen. Jonas is neither one thing or another and is therefore struggling. Anita has the skills but hasn’t found his Premiership legs yet. I’m not sure where Marveaux’s best position is. He clearly has the skills. Cisse has lost his confidence. He and Ba don’t / can’t operate together.

    The 4-4-2 formation just isn’t working. Having two strikers is a luxury and a risk when the players behind them are not functioning on all cylinders. We need a more cautious 4-5-1 until the confidence returns when the formation can evolve into a 4-3-3.

  • 35 NUFC STEVE // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:57 PM

    ROBERTO DI MATTEO

  • 36 NUFC STEVE // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:58 PM

    GLENN HODDLE

  • 37 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 25, 2012 at 7:59 PM

    I bet Pardew’s contract has team performance clauses i.e. if we are in danger of being relegated we can bring in someone else or that we need to finish in the top 10. We all know Ashley likes a clause

  • 38 nufc90 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:01 PM

    De Boer, Jol, Favre would do me. Maybe Martinez or Di Matteo but I really hope Pards just changes it himself. And cuts the terrible hoof ball boring tactics out

  • 39 woodsee // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:01 PM

    Peter Reid

  • 40 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:03 PM

    Give Pardew till the new year and if performances like today carry on I would like to see either Martinez, Jol or Clarke brought in

  • 41 croftus5678 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:03 PM

    on the point of what = us being the best fans in the world subject from the last post and saying things do not change overnight !
    just erm how long did it take to change ? as even though a few on here say i have never liked pards or ashley and that b*****ks about them saying the same last season when we finished 5th …so in reality its taken fans a matter of …what?…weeks?…month’s?
    3 seasons ago (championships) fans should stick through and cheer there team on through thick and thin not start booing at the first few defeats ….makes me think you have only supported them for a VERY short time and if not you should have learnt from the owen and co days that we are not all that bad ! we dont have high wage high fee wasters and putting everyone in the team down DOES not help.

  • 42 NUFC STEVE // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    Uni Emre

  • 43 Jail for Ashley // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    I had to watch the match on BBC teleprinter today,and read that.” Tiote gets fouled near the middle of the pitch.Krul takes the free kick.” this and their shots on goal compared to ours told me things weren’t going to be good this afternoon.

  • 44 Jail for Ashley // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:07 PM

    OI NUFC STEVE
    Shut it !

  • 45 Mancgeordie // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:07 PM

    I don’t blame Ashley or even Llambiss for what’s happening now for me the blame has to lie with pardew n this 442 sorry but 451 or 433

  • 46 unclepauly // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:09 PM

    can someone please explain to me why pards is not playing 4-4-3 ?

    last season we played 4-4-3 with cisse in the middle, ben arfa on the right and ba on the left. we were very attacking and were tearing teams apart.

    this season for some reason we are playing 4-4-2 with ba and cisse. clearly this is not working, why have the tactics been changed ? seriously can someone explain ?

    the only explanation i can think of is that ba has said to pards wants to play in the middle or he’s off, and to keep him happy pards is playing 4-4-2. i cannot think of any other reason.

    what do you think ?

  • 47 unclepauly // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    (sorry clearly i meant 4-3-3 !)

  • 48 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    NUFC STEVE
    Are you listing managers who you genuinly think can change the way we play and push in and take us forward or just random managers?

  • 49 Mancgeordie // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    Would love to see De Boer managing us though

  • 50 Jail for Ashley // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    Croftus,
    In the Championship we were seeing 3,4 and 5 goals a game,a lot of visiting fans had never been to SJP and were up for it,oh and there used to be a singing section that in a facist style dictatorship got disbanded to quell the natives.

  • 51 PapissSmurf // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:11 PM

    marveaux must play from the start. Only fit midfielder with an ounce of creativity. Don’t agree with Anita being MoM, Taylor for me. Only player who looked like he cared.

  • 52 jimmysmith // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    I’m not sure you can blame a relatively inexperienced Manager for struggling with the added responsibilities of Europe and the EPL with a clearly thin squad. He’s on a steep learning curve and our injury list to be fair to him has also been shocking.

  • 53 croftus5678 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    i just do not understand anyone who is blaming ashley or the manager or anyone else when clearly the players are not trying !!! surely the 1st stop should be them ?.
    its like saying my boss is at fault because i can not be ar**d to go to work ^^

  • 54 Jail for Ashley // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:13 PM

    Uncle Pauly,
    The only logical reason is that Pards thought he could keep them both happy in a 4-4-2 and now can’t go back on his word or Ba will be off,and as he probably knows the 7M won’t be reinvested and he is caking himself.

  • 55 Ashton // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:14 PM

    Mancgeordie

    100% agree. Also his substitutions are appalling.

  • 56 pedro // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:14 PM

    The problem with practically every manager mentioned as a replacement is that they would never come to us. Anyone currently in a job, like MArtinez, would cost too much and i think we know Ashley wouldnt pay it. Be careful what you wish for anyway because Im sure whoever Ashley did choose what be another unwelcome acquisition, like Kinnear!
    For now, its obvious we are going to have Pardew for some time so Im just praying for some kind of epiphany and we start playing some good stuff

  • 57 croftus5678 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:14 PM

    @49
    so whats the problem if we go down again you will get that again !

  • 58 hatemorloveit // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:15 PM

    whoever says Pardew should be sacked needs their heads checked in

  • 59 Jail for Ashley // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:16 PM

    Croftus man.
    If your boss told you he was going to get you a shiny new van,loads of new tools to make you get to the job in the first place,and when you got there he got your foreman to tell you it wasn’t quite true would you be arsed.

  • 60 gonufc (up and Hatem) // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:16 PM

    About the 20th time this season I’m asking this, but does Pardew literally tell his players: “whenever the ball comes near you just hoof it back up the pitch, then hopefully Hatem will do something good…..”

    because that’s how it seems, without HBA we look barely championship quality it seems.

  • 61 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:17 PM

    JFA…so we have to wait until February 1th to change system?

    …wonder where we are by then?

  • 62 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM

    I don’t understand people saying we are losing because of our thin squad. Yes we don’t have the biggest or best squad in the league but it is far from the worst. Let me ask you this, out of the two sides today who had the best players on paper despite injuries ?. Fair enough the team today should not be competing against the likes of Manure or City but to get totally dominated by a promoted team is shocking. I bet Clarke or Martinez could work wonders with the team we had today even without Collo, Cabaye & Ben Arfa

  • 63 Mancgeordie // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:18 PM

    Uncle pauly exactly if it ain’t broke why fix it get back to 451 away n 433 at home if BA doesn’t like it as good as he is no player should dictate if and where he should play and certainly what tatics to play no player is bigger than the team so if that’s the case then pardew should thank him and say goodbye would fergie or Wenger let a player dictate

  • 64 croftus5678 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    @57
    dont quite get what your saying there tbh !
    the players he has was from last seasons achievement so …he promised no new players (apart from anita maybe) anything as they have had to do the work themselves

  • 65 nufc90 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    The worrying thing is the same happened to Pards at west ham. Great first season in EPL, then second season struggling. I know some west ham supporters who said this would happen but I still think he can turn it around just change the tactics!!

  • 66 NUFC STEVE // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    A lot of people sayin pardew had a limited squad and other excuses but the way to beat the small teams is by keeping the ball off them and passing to create chances and whether we had our full team or not we would have still played 4-4-2 and hoofed balls up all day long and give Southampton the ball back all day. Pardew plays worse football than big Sam and if we want to well he’s not the man to take us forward.

  • 67 weg // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:20 PM

    I think this season’s problems started with the first EL games. I believe you should always play your best team – or close to it – in every game, and only change 2 or 3 players at the most for your cup games. (bringing on youngsters as subs in those games). Then, when you see a player is struggling with fatigue, or is picking up niggling injuries, then change things round. That way, your team finds a rhythm and players understand each other better. Wholesale changes for mid-week games have disrupted the team’s flow, resulting in bad performances.
    Tactics have also been a factor. It doesn’t matter what formation you play, the tactics have to be right! If you play 2 up top, you have to give them good service. The midfield has to move when in possession of the ball and it has to close down the opposition quickly when they have the ball. And the defenders have to know when to hoof the ball and when to pass it to the midfield.
    Pardew has to question his tactics, and he has to question his philosophy on when and where to blood his youngsters etc. Otherwise, I see some dark days ahead!!
    HWTL

  • 68 Jail for Ashley // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:20 PM

    I’m not saying that Pards has deliberately lied to the players,but with Mashley’s past behaviour,I certainly wouldn’t rule out that Pards has been duped a little himself,the fact that even though Mashley doesn’t seem to be playing straight but Pards has accepted an eight year contract all smells a bit fishy to me.

  • 69 NUFC STEVE // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:21 PM

    Pardew didn’t just have second season syndrome at West Ham, he had it at Southampton and Charlton.

  • 70 WWYCD // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    Well this is becoming a bit of a problem isnt it? Seems we were dire today(again)?

    Pards getting it in the neck again it seems surely the players should be getting as much stick? Little fight in any of them in the last few performances I have seen and likelyhood is we aren’t getting new blood to help out anytime soon time for Carver to stick a rocket up some ar$es imo

  • 71 t00ntime // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    I’ll be honest i’m not an AP fan atm and i wont be even i we win the next 2 games. The fact that we are trying the same tactic every game (for the last 20games) and AP still blames everything but his tactics, really grinds my gears. But sacking AP is not the right option imo. If we win the next 2 games half the people who wanted him sacked will be saying he is our best since SBR (like they were last season). We shud stick by AP and hope he realises his mistakes, soon rather than later :S

  • 72 jimmysmith // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:23 PM

    The thin squad stretches players physically and mentally, particularly during an injury crisis, you’d have to think that is contributing to these limp performances against opposition that is up for it.

  • 73 hatemorloveit // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:24 PM

    Ben Arfa’s abscence shows that without him, we have no creativity at all

  • 74 nick_9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:24 PM

    Croftus if the players are to blame for our league postion/performances then why do clubs have a manager? Now i am not absolving the players of any blame because quite frankly they should be doing better, they look lacklustre but Pardew is the Manager. He chooses the starting eleven, he chooses the formation and the tactics for each particular game. He is the one persisting with those ridiculous set pieces so he is at fault just as much as the player. He should have asked for defenders in the window yet he slept on it and said he was happy with the squad, that was his choice as the manager.

    Its obvious we could be playing so much better as a team yet for some reason we arent. Pardew has the stats and is the manager, its upto him to correct it. Why do we have coaches and train the players if its as simple as putting eleven players out on the pitch? Its not. Pardew needs to teach them to pass and move, he needs to ask for more composed players in the market and he needs to get them working as a team. Whatever they are currently doing isnt working, he and the players need to change it but at the end of the door the players do as Pardew says on the pitch so the buck stops with him….. QPR sacked Hughes because they didnt think he was getting thebest out of the players, Pardew has an eight year deal so he will remain in charge no doubt and needs to work on it before things get nasty. The more hostile is gets the worse we look as a club, who would want to stay or join us when we are as hostile as it has been at games.

  • 75 NUFC STEVE // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:24 PM

    If pardew gets beat say 2-0 on Wednesday vs Stoke (which is likely) does anyone think the sack is possible? 4 losses in a row against shite opposition would prob be about 15-16th.

  • 76 unclepauly // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:25 PM

    @Mancgeordie

    glad some else agrees, i was very surprised at the start of the season when we played 4-4-2, i went to alot of games last season with teh 4-3-3 and we were so exiting to watch.

    even tho ba is playing well in a 4-4-2, the team as a whole is not so if ba is unhappy with being put on the left i would rather see us replacing him with someone who is happy with playing far-left, cisse main striker and benny boy far-right.

    but i just cannot see this happening.

  • 77 croftus5678 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:25 PM

    lots of things we would change when its bad but not many when its good .
    think the only thing i would change in all occasions is the left winger as ferg came on 2 games in a row (and lets be honest he’s not prem quality atm) and put a few crosses in that lead straight to goals 4-4-2 but with real wingers who can cross

  • 78 nick_9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:26 PM

    Pardew is also the one who drops players when they arent performing….

  • 79 jimmysmith // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:31 PM

    I think it is fair to say that Fergie and Sammy are not ready for regular first team football at Newcastle.

  • 80 nick_9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:31 PM

    In the window i thought we needed a first eleven full back and a first eleven winger who could actually whip a ball in. I thought we needed a third choice cb and a third choice striker. Instead we signed Anita hoping he could cover a few positions and for cheick when the ACON came along. We went with the cheap option signing a versatile player. Its amazing how many of our choices are made solely in finances.

    We have a large squad but it is full of youngsters and inexperienced players, its a rubbish argument about our squad size. We have no strength in depth, a stubborn manager and an owner who doesnt grasp an opportunity when it comes along

  • 81 croftus5678 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:31 PM

    @71

    completely agree but its the players who are not performing so the blame is not pardews alone if pards needs sacking so do some of the players for not wearing the shirt with pride.
    nothing to do with ashley or transfers as from last season think 99% of us said we had an awsome team and keeping 1 player was as good if not better than signing a new player so they should be performing again.
    the thing that does scare me is not results as they will sort themselves out its that fact ba gets blamed for everything even though he’s been one of our best performers ! if i was him and read what we have i would leave the club.

  • 82 danuneek // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    I think the main problem is our players are overated and the fact we finished 5th last season has gone to their heads. We are no longer the underdogs. This combined with pardews reluctance to drop either cisse or ba as they clearly cant play together. I think this blog in particular has a tendancy to overhype our youngsters which for me dont look special. We lack any real technical players in the squad who can actually control the ball, are composed and can create something. We rely far too much on ben arfa, expecting him to dribble the ball round the entire oposition at times. We lack width in terms of crossing ability. Who can actually cross the ball? So this makes pardews 442 a pointless formation as our front two are getting no supply from wide areas resulting in hoof ball from willo and co. Its simple, get the ball down and play. Drop cisse and use ba through the middle supported by pace on either side; Whether thats ben arfa, obertan, even perhaps santon. Get some passers in the middle who can control and dictate the game; Anita, tiote and marveaux. So team for next game if benny is back…

    ————————–krul————————-
    Simpson——taylor————-colo——-ferguson
    ———anita———-tiote———marveaux——–

  • 83 Jail for Ashley // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:33 PM

    Croftus,
    Pards made it public knowledge that some quality signings would be bought in the summer,I think this spurred the players on to that fantastic run we had at the back end of last season not just Cisse’s goals but the lift a big signing brought to the club,so they all worked their socks of full of confidence and what was their reward,3/4 quality signings and the chance to play in Europe at least a couple of games,no they got a few youngsters and an unproven Dutchman (who I believe will come good mind ) and then the Europa spot they grafted for given to the hopes almost entirely of the reserve squad,this is not how you reward a manager,players or loyal fans after a great season.

  • 84 hatemorloveit // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:34 PM

    Stability is the key..alex fergieson, arsene wenger, david moyes..noone has instance sucesss in the space of 2 years, this guy got 5th place last year, the best since 2003, and ppl want him sacked? Im digusted by the lack of support. Pardew deserves respect, some of you should be ashamed to be NUFC fans

  • 85 NUFC STEVE // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    Pardew sacking date: 8th December after 6 consecutive losses. That’s my prediction.

  • 86 danuneek // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    I think the main problem is our players are overated and the fact we finished 5th last season has gone to their heads. We are no longer the underdogs. This combined with pardews reluctance to drop either cisse or ba as they clearly cant play together. I think this blog in particular has a tendancy to overhype our youngsters which for me dont look special. We lack any real technical players in the squad who can actually control the ball, are composed and can create something. We rely far too much on ben arfa, expecting him to dribble the ball round the entire oposition at times. We lack width in terms of crossing ability. Who can actually cross the ball? So this makes pardews 442 a pointless formation as our front two are getting no supply from wide areas resulting in hoof ball from willo and co. Its simple, get the ball down and play. Drop cisse and use ba through the middle supported by pace on either side; Whether thats ben arfa, obertan, even perhaps santon. Get some passers in the middle who can control and dictate the game; Anita, tiote and marveaux. So team for next game if benny is back…

    ————————–krul————————-
    Simpson——taylor————-colo——-ferguson
    ————–anita——-tiote—–marveaux———-
    –obertan—————-ba—————santon—–

  • 87 gonufc (up and Hatem) // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:38 PM

    No I don’t think Pardew would be sacked unless we’re looking like being relegated. The board don’t care about league position, as long as we stay in the league then it’s fine for them.

  • 88 Super Magpie // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:38 PM

    Is any one really surprised after today? I know I’m not. As soon as I saw the team sheet I knew we wouldn’t win. There is no creativity in the team to get ourselves forward. Our players lack confidence and belief and have deservedly had their arses kicked today. It’s hard for Pardew with injuries but he has to take alot of the blame for our defeats. He looks just as despairable as the players.

    Even Krul who was fantastic last season is playing below par and has cost us 2 goals in 2 games. This team are not unified at the moment. This is why we need a Nolan type character to lift the spirits because he would not have let this happen. It’s time to wake up and smell the coffee because until we get past the new year results like today will continue in the forecoming weeks. We are simply awful at the moment and deserve to be where we are.

    Pardew has got an even harder job on his hands and the pressure is mounting. An imminent defeat on Wednesday will only heap more misery onto us.

  • 89 hatemorloveit // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:39 PM

    I agree. Just look at west brom, as soon as they start doing badly, i guarantee you some stupid WBA would be calling for the sack

  • 90 nick_9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    @78

    The thing is Footballers are seen as assets with a pricetag on their head. I questioned the clubs decision to allow barton to leave for free when surely he was worth a million to some club? They just wanted rid of his loud mouth and wages.

    I was never one to see retaining our better players as a success but this window with the season we are having i think i will look at it that way. If hba was to leave i couldnt blame the lad, he gives his all and we are dire. It also amazes me how we are quick to turn on the players like Ba, Ben Arfa, Santon when they try the most yet one misplaced pass and thats it. Its those who aren’t pulling their weight we should be annoyed about.

    We need to be ruthless in the window and if we are on a one in one out policy then by all means get rid of some of the dross fringe players and replace them so we have better back up players. Upgrades if you like.

    Obertan
    Williamson
    Simpson
    Gosling
    Jonas
    Harper
    Xisco
    Ranger

    Are all players i think need moving on, i feel harsh saying that about Harper and Jonas but we cannot carry passengers.

  • 91 catchy in norway // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:44 PM

    qpr brought in
    Junior Hoilett (Blackburn, tribunal), Park Ji-sung (Manchester United, undisclosed), Samba Diakite (Nancy, undisclosed), Robert Green (West Ham, free), Ryan Nelsen (Tottenham, free), Andrew Johnson (Fulham, free), Fabio (Manchester United, loan), Jose Bosingwa (Chelsea, free) Esteban Granero (Real Madrid, £9m), Sam Magri (Portsmouth, free), Stephane Mbia (Marseille, undisclosed)

    hey there is some quality there

    where are they in the league??????? there chaiman backed the manager,, did he get fired ??? wonder why????

  • 92 Jail for Ashley // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:44 PM

    NUFC STEVE,
    My apologies for earlier post,
    I think an eight year contract wasn’t given without certain assurances from Pards and financial rewards for success from Mashley,so it will be interesting to see how this eight years Pans out,you have to remenmber Moyes has almost had Everton in the CL but has almost had them relegated without winning anything.after Cisse was signed I thought Mashley had more ambition (certainly more funds ) than Bill Kenwright,but I’m back to thinking he would prefer the status quo that Everton are in.

  • 93 Super Magpie // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:45 PM

    Also
    If we continue in this fashion then our best players will leave. And we won’t get big money for them either. Why? Because we are doing so poorly. The players will force themselves out ( which I would not blame them for atm) and we will have to sell at a cut price. Kind of ironic considering that’s what our policy is.

  • 94 Toon Tang // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    are we winning?

  • 95 BelfastMagpie // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    Would bloddy love the likes of Nolan & Barton to still be here at this point.

    Didnt miss them last season,but now it’s roll the sleeves up time,we sure as hell are missing them now.

  • 96 nick_9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    To sack a manager you have given an eight year deal to would make you look like a joke. I suspect Pardew is on peanuts but it would probably be very costly as well.

  • 97 Jail for Ashley // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:48 PM

    Catchy,
    In all fairness mate they are rooted to the bottom,not mid table and in the group stages of Europa.

  • 98 nick_9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:49 PM

    Super Magpie that grit we need is often seen in english players but would it work in a team full of french players? I often wonder if they talk in french or if they are leaning english etc.

    If we look desperate for players in the next window then we are bound to get overcharged by selling clubs

  • 99 Murray100 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:50 PM

    we need to sign players in January! simple!

    Wilfried Bony
    a CB
    Adam Maher (dreaming)

    these players would give our players a kick up the bum so they start to play well!!

  • 100 croftus5678 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:50 PM

    @80

    i dont recall him saying that but i do recall him saying newcastle are gone the days of big signings and that he expected 3 players t be brought in.
    anita was one but i will not count the others as signings as they are rightly for the development squad but this was not the fault of pards or ashley as they would not overspend on a player and if papers was right on the case of douglas and debuchy (the other 2 signings) they kept raising there price so even if it was £1mil short ect ect they was just taking the p**s + douglas was coming then staying then moving somewere else blablabla he doesnt seem to know what he wants.
    and if the team do so well in a season you kinda expect them to grow as a team and not the fact that they did so well so that we can get a few better players to replace some of them the year after ..thats not that rewarding either

  • 101 breno95 // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:51 PM

    @ nick 9

    Most worthwhile post to read on here amongst all the slagging etc that’s going on.

  • 102 Super Magpie // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:53 PM

    Nick_9

    I couldn’t care less of we get overcharged. At this rate we are heading for a 13-17th finish. Atleast 3 Players need to he brought in. I don’t think we will though, we’ll probably bring in the 1 squad player who can cover 4 positions.

  • 103 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:53 PM

    Nick9
    Agree that the players who genuinly giving there all are getting alot of unfair critism none more so than demba

    Also agree with super that krul seems somewhat off form, not pointing to the 2 goals (WBA & today) all keepers have a slip during the season its natural but his kicking is shocking this season its all over the shop even when he has time he punts it to nowhere and his decision making has also been suspect and i dont think that helps our mix and match CB’s some times he comes for the ball sometimes he doesnt either way theres been a massive lack of communication at the back this season and some games he’s seemed a bit david james the standout one bieng in europa against that greek outfit when we got lucky cos they should of had a pen he paniced and took the lad down when he was going nowhere
    Still a top keeper just needs to get back into a commanding mindset

  • 104 Super Magpie // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:54 PM

    If*

  • 105 catchy in norway // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    Fulam lost 2 of there best players last season

    look where thy are now,,

    Mousa Dembele (Tottenham, £15m), Dickson Etuhu (Blackburn, undisclosed), Marcel Gecov (AA Gent, undisclosed), Andrew Johnson (QPR, free), Danny Murphy (Blackburn, free), Pavel Pogrebnyak (Reading, free), Bjorn Helge Riise (released), Orlando Sa (released), Clint Dempsey (Tottenham, £6m)

    players respond to managers,, yes they have to look in the mirror and take some of the blame, AVB had a great team at chelsea last year, but they would not do it for him, yet RDM comes along and they rally for him and win the champions league,,

    something isnt working, the players are not putting it in for pardew,, do you blame players like marv being huffy playing second fiddle to the likes of jonas and obertan,, now when we are down to the bones the manager carnt get a good performance from them,,,

    football is a not the real world,, its a world where a manager can do shit and walk away with millions, and walk into another job,,,

    i have said it many times on here, our players esp the midfield area are getting by passed, and that has been for 2 years now,, you seem to think there not getting coached that,,
    pulis teaches his players to play that way and they do it

    fat sam teaches his players to do and they do,

    pardew dosnt teach them that and they do it, something stange about that, ???

    pardew will not be there much longer,, the manager is always the scape goat for chairmen,, no matter how long the contract is,
    once the chaiman starts getting the heat ,, the trigger will be pulled,, mark my words

  • 106 Mancgeordie // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:57 PM

    @ uncle pauly I have to agree completely it just seems we now play this way cos BA wants it and suits him but it the team suits a 433 n if doesn’t like let him go n replace him I would love a rodrigo on the left with benny right n Cisse through the middle the creativity movement would be perfect for cabaye n Anita to try n find tiote sitting cos when Cisse plays n ba doesn’t we tend to get the ball down n play some football rather than hoofball

  • 107 microbar // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:57 PM

    we are fooked back down to the champinship

  • 108 catchy in norway // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:58 PM

    Jail for Ashley

    pardew has been playing 2 teams until thursday,,

    and we are talking about the begining of a season not the end of one,

    we are talking about the playing style that was there last year,, how long is it sinse we scored from a set piece???

    we are 12 games into a season, and not one match has been any good,, not just the last 3,,

    please admit that

  • 109 jeff // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:58 PM

    Even a blind man could see that pardew needs to get out

    Terrible terrible formation. Wingers offered ABSOLUTELY nothing… How does ferguson start, let alone get close to the starting line-up

    Id love a suave french manager to go with our suave french players, in fact id like carver to manage

    WHO ELSE IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE PLAYS 4-4-2 EVEN STOKE PLAY 5 IN THE MId

  • 110 Jail for Ashley // Nov 25, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    Croftus,
    Ok then,what about the carefully worded statement that if a player we were after was too pricey we would go after plan B,C then D until we got a player we wanted.Are you telling me this famed scouting network we have could only find one CB,FB and ST in all thge time we had.

  • 111 catchy in norway // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    spurs have a much smaller squad than last year,,

    why is it not affecting them like us??

    IN
    Mousa Dembele (Fulham, £15m), Emmanuel Adebayor (Manchester City, £5m), Jan Vertonghen (Ajax, £10m), Gylfi Sigurdsson (Hoffenheim, £8m), Hugo Lloris (Lyon, £13m), Clint Dempsey (Fulham, £6m)
    OUT
    Sebastian Bassong (Norwich, undisclosed), Vedran Corluka (Lokomotiv Moscow, £5m), Steven Pienaar (Everton, £4.5m), Niko Kranjcar (Dynamo Kiev, £2m), Ryan Nelsen (QPR, free), Ben Alnwick (Barnsley, free), Luka Modric (Real Madrid, £33m), Louis Saha (Sunderland, free), Bongani Khumalo (PAOK, loan), Massimo Luongo (Ipswich, loan), Ryan Fredericks (Brentford, loan), Danny Rose (Sunderland, loan), Giovani dos Santos (Real Mallorca, undisclosed), Rafael van der Vaart (Hamburg, £10.2m)

  • 112 catchy in norway // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:02 PM

    toonarmydownsouth

    krul is off form,, but he kept the score down today

    im dreading playin the big boys in the next few weeks

  • 113 nick_9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    Super Magpie i would happily of spent the extra 1 million of Mike Ashleys money on Debuchy in the last window but then would one player really have made that much difference when we needed three or four? I dont think it would and Anita so far is evidence of that. It was probably a choice of Anita or Debuchy with them being in similar price range and we chose Anita because he can play Fullback and in midfield. Either way i feel we messed up by not upgrading our backup players in a few positions.

    This season we are going to struggle to qualify for europe so do we still need to strengthen as much as some would like? I still feel we need to strengthen to tackle the league and would love to see four players come in and some dross to leave. One counterargument some fans have is about spending mega money on signings and i think the majority of us dont want that we just want additional players and obviously the less we spend the better but we dont want to sacrifice quality.

  • 114 Jail for Ashley // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    Catchy,
    Along with a lot of games last season this season has served up some of the biggest dross I have ever seen at SJP,but sacking AP I’m afraid will not achieve anything as no other fu**er will come here,how the f*ck do you think we ended up with JFK,as I’ve said to you be very careful what you wish for, tbh while that FCB is in charge I think were better off with his patsy in charge as I don’t think anyone of any better quality would come or last if they did.

  • 115 Mister Tuff // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:05 PM

    Please excuse my language, but for the want of a better expression, we are in the shite and probably in freefall over the next few weeks. I see nothing from our play to suggest otherwise.I note some of the “anti neggar posters” said they would leave the site unitil later when the neggars have probably disappeared. The proverb about the three wise monkeys come to mind here -see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil. Denying the obvious in the hope a miracle occurs does not seem to me to be an appropriate stance in the middle of a crisis -well they probably will deny a crisis exists.
    Injuries, suspensions extra games will no doubt have a negative impact -as will the big summer “no buy gamble” -that is spectacularly backfiring now. (An extra million for Debuchy may not have been out of the question when Ashley lost nearly a million gambling one night – but I suppose it’s his money an he can do what he wants.)
    Does Ashley like/love/want Newcastle – probably not as he has tried to flog it twice and the police warned him and his family not to attend because of death threats (will he forget/forgive this episode -probably not).
    Some posters have suggested Pardew has lost the dressing room – if this is true -my suggestion of a freefall becomes more relevant.
    How to rectify the situation?
    Ashley will not want to lose millions by being relegated -so I believe we will buy in January – he needs to spend to safegaurd his future finances ie tv revenue, the sale of the club.
    Quality players may not wish to come to a club on a downward trend.
    Can Pardew himself rectify matters – I suspect he cannot but I hope he can.
    Things are not looking good.

  • 116 croftus5678 // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:09 PM

    @104

    nope i’m sure they did but it did look like we would get debuchy untill the last min when there chairman pulled him back as debuchy said he was very upset the move did not come off and clynn turned us down which was prob plan b with reguards to douglas i have no idea when the saga ended.

  • 117 sirtoongospel // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:12 PM

    Last season we outfought and outworked just about every team we faced. We put our bodies on the line and grafted for everything. Then when we won the ball we flew forward and stifled the opposition all over the pitch.

    This season I can say hand on heart that we havent outbattled ANY other team. Not one, not once. The commitment has to be questioned of several players. They are playing like they don’t care or that something has bothered them.

    I would bet good money that there is a massive issue with the board. As people have mentioned, Pardew stated that if we made Europe, quality would be brought in. That changed all of a sudden to “got to give the owner credit for not selling”. What? Credit? Are you taking the pi55 or what? We all knew what would happen in the Summer, and even the official site put out an article on Bigirimana going into the development squad. He has been in nearly every squad. Why? Because we bought no one.
    We were thin on the ground last season but we were lucky with injuries to an extent. This season we have an extra competition, yet we brought in Anita, Bigirimana and Amalfitano, for the departures of Lover, Best, Guthrie and Forster. Looking back, if Ashley was ever gonna back Pardew it was in the Summer. He didn’t. They quibbled over prices and 2 nailed on signings never arrived.
    Where is the 8 goal a season CB Alan? Where is the striker you assured us was coming in as a matter of priority? Where is the cover at full back we obviously need?
    Had we kept everyone fit then we might have had a chance this season, but taking things to chance is amateurish at best.
    In the best I have not really liked the grief directed at individuals, but if Ashley gets a bit then I will just keep quiet about it, as it is justified.
    Pardew has asked the fans to lift the players, that is unfair. We have been let down by him, the board and the players.
    Work rate is the minimum requirement of a succesful team. If Pardew checks the stats he preaches about, he will see that we have not been putting the yards in.
    The players need a rocket up their ar5e, so is he prepared to give them one, because last season he was so animated on the touchline and full of confidence. He looks like a different man now.
    The players need their manager first and foremost to lift them, and to set us up to play to our strengths. When that happens perhaps we might have a reason to get excited. Until then Alan, you are up against it pal.

  • 118 catchy in norway // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:12 PM

    Mister Tuff

    mr negga here

    nice piece :)

    looking back last year,, where you more happy with the position or the football,,

    i felt we had more to give as a team, and 5th was a poor season

  • 119 Jail for Ashley // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    Catchy,
    Including last season this year has produced some of the worse dross I have seen in a long long time at SJP but sacking Pards is not the answer how do you think we ended up with JFK,because no other fu**er would come,tbh while that FCB is here I think we are better off with his patsy in charge as no other manager of better quality would come here or last if they did.

  • 120 FatmanJoe // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    Terrible today. Really losing faith. Football isn’t fun anymore and that’s a shame coz like nearly everybody here it plays such a big part of my life. And my income.

    I’m not convinced sacking pardew will achieve much because there is no one I can think of any better, but he needs a kick up his arse and serious investment in January.

  • 121 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    right, so, can’t really do much wrong with trying something different on wednesday. anyone be opposed to this?:

    ……………….krul………………..
    santon…..colo….perch…..guti
    …………..anita….tiote………….
    ……………….abeid………………
    marv………..cisse……………ba

  • 122 catchy in norway // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    Jail for Ashley

    but if we stay with pardew we will go down, and if we go down, id hate to see this type of football for the next 8 years

    we have a good squad that is not getting used right,,

    players like jonas obertan shola williamson perch simpson are not the future of this club,,

    id rather play with kids with less experince, than gave these guys another second on the pitch,, its playing these guys that is getting us into trouble,, they have nothing to offer the team

    pardew said this about campbell,, “he is as good as shola @17 that means he should only improve, shola dont really move when he is on the pitch, campbell looked like a good player when he got his few minuts
    tav, from what i have seen, looks as good as simpson, will only improve,
    curtis good carnt be any worse than williamson,,
    your miles better than obertan and i havent even seen you play

  • 123 stuart no9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    breno95 are you another total idiot who thought if ash had not bought the club when he did NUFC and the world would be no more ?? haha. wake up bonny lad, there are still a few people around with a few bob to buy a football club. i despair mate i really do. nufc has been here longer than ash, and will be here when he is gone . get a grip fella.

  • 124 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    JfA

    exactly. i can’t stand pards, but i’d bet my bottom dollar his replacement i’d hate even more

    …and willo should be shipped out immediately. not hyperbole, the guy is a f****** joke and a waste of 10-20k a week’s wages

  • 125 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:23 PM

    Matty abied is not good enough mate i think willo will play just for his height.

  • 126 catchy in norway // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:25 PM

    eaststandgeordie1982

    he is no worse than you see right now

    jonas or him id take him

  • 127 nick_9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:27 PM

    A couple of weeks ago Pards was saying the team need to lift us but now it’s the other way round apparently. I do feel we tried to support the lads more at the last home game and I’m sure we will at the next, I just hope we don’t concede a couple.

  • 128 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:27 PM

    eaststand

    i’m sure that’s how pards looks at it too. ‘he’s tall’. ok, i can find plenty of tall mother****ers in Serbia. Gambia. Kenya. Russia. doesn’t mean they can play at this standard

  • 129 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:28 PM

    Catch no way mate abied is miles away and i never said play jonas there either.

    Tiote guti
    Anita
    Marv cisse ba

    And i would give ranger a run out

  • 130 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:30 PM

    Matty

    Thats what i was thinking how oards would see it but i would play saylor with colo

  • 131 ToonDownSouth // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    Did Pardew not say – only a few months back – “He (Ranger) will never play for this football club again while I’m manager” ?

    A bit like “While I’m manager Hatem will only ever play as a #10″.

  • 132 West Lancs Geordie // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    Remember -We’re shit & we’re sick of it! Well there’s sweet f all we can do about it. Other than really get behind the lads & hope they respond with gritty performances. It’s time to dig in & battle like hell. MA & Pards are here to stay & demonstations against them are not the answer. Let’s just hope they get the message & don’t once again feed us a load of shite about transfers in January. If there is no money to spend then just say so & then their “investment” can take the hit at the end of the season.

  • 133 ToonDownSouth // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    Also, Steven Taylor has been absolutely shocking this season. I’d honestly rather have Williamson at the moment.

  • 134 Ashton // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:33 PM

    mattyNUFC

    You need to forget about playing 433 under Pardew. The fool play’s 442 even when we have one fit striker in our squad.

  • 135 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:34 PM

    Tds

    We are crying out for someone to put themselves about and unsettle players and weve seen ranger do it, i dont think pards has a choice.

  • 136 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:35 PM

    Matty- abeid is no where near first team level.
    Apart from that your team looks good.

  • 137 Mister Tuff // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:40 PM

    Catchy – last season I was swept away with the excitement of our team shooting up the league and with the real possibility of qualifying for the CL – it was within our grasp -possibly. I assumed with the promise of summer signings that this season would be better. Last season I kept on thinking we would get beat here and there but we kept on winning – I must say I was not too bothered about the football -success seemed more important.
    The warning signs, which I shrugged off at the time, was when Pardew stated that we were ahead of the five year plan and that a placement of 8th (I think) would be where we would probably finish this season. (looking back – in any mans book this is not progression).
    Looking back to last season we were churning out some “ugly” wins but who cared.
    This season we have been awful – I suspect there is more to the situation than just injuries, suspensions extra games etc etc.
    I wonder if Jimmy Magpie was spot on following his report of rumblings/discontent within the dressing room -I wonder.
    Players can hide somewhat when a team are playing well.The converse is also true. Whilst most played rubbish today I thought Tiote still had a big heart and tried, Santon was ok.The usual suspects of poor play were also obvious – I’ll pick out Williamson – -panics and does not see runners/ball watches and also Simpson -same faults -with the added distraction that his mind is engaged elsewhere – probably thinking about his next bondage session.
    The future looks bleak.

  • 138 stuart no9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:41 PM

    west lancs@125 – why arnt demos the answer?

  • 139 Rob Hayes // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:45 PM

    Matty, there’s nothing wrong with giving that a go against stoke,

    I really can’t see us getting anything against them if we play like we did today! We were shocking and have been for the last 3 games at least!

    Can anyone remember a good performance this season?

    We are desperate for a creative spark, any hope that HBA will play Wed?

  • 140 sirtoongospel // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:46 PM

    I agree that Tayls has been poor. Along with a few others. Cabaye hasnt been himself, but we miss him massively when he isn’t there. Same with others when they don’t play. It shouldn’t be like that. We should have a competitive 11 every game.

    My biggest gripe though…….what the hell has he done to Cheick? All this rubbish about him watching himself has ruined him as a player. I would rather he was demolishing other teams and missing a few games from suspension than playing at 80%. Because he is.
    When he is fully on it everyone else lifts. A massive Cheick tackle in the first few minutes would give the crowd and his team a big boost. But he has been told to stop it. His one big asset taken away, because let’s be fair, he isn’t a technically great player.
    Next home game I would be telling Cheick to start the game like his life depends on it. As it stands, Pardew has ruined him. If they don’t want him to tackle and get stuck in then replace him with a better footballer who can drive us forward.
    It’s like Superman without his cape.

  • 141 Rob Hayes // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:50 PM

    Sir Toon, completely agree about Tiote, we need him giving his all every minute of every game, well said Sir

  • 142 cadete // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:51 PM

    Catchy
    Regarding spurs selling/ buying they only sold from your list 2 first team players and brought in 6 I think that’s the reason they are not like us!

  • 143 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:53 PM

    conaldo

    i think we’re pretty split on abed

    but on today’s performance, is there any team that could be worse? as catchy has pointed out innumerable times, we only were missing 3 first teamers.

    i want to see something drastic because, whether you are pro-pardew, anti-pardew, pro-ashley or anti-ashley i think the one thing we can agree on is that we all thought tonight was the night where something changed.

    not a f****** thing changed and I really hate how negative it’s made me but it is so glaringly obvious something had to change and nothing did.

    and, if i could, one last shout out for anita….all the people saying he was a waste of money, well, i agree…..if pards continues to play him as an ACM. it’s a joke to ask someone who was a defender for their entire life, recently converted to a very resourceful DCM, to be the creative spark for a stuttering team as ours. it is not his fault he is looking to some like a ‘wasted’ purchase

    this whole thing is becoming a bit hard to take. i really, honestly believe pards has lost the plot (not insinuating he ever had it, as i’ve always been critical of him) but i hasten to call for his head for fear of who MA would replace him with.

    this really is your proverbial catch 22

  • 144 Magpies-till-d3ath // Nov 25, 2012 at 9:59 PM

    Sorry Demba, but you have to wake up and see that 433 is when we are at our best, and unless you’re willing to play on the left, you or else Cisse will have to go! It pains me to say this, but it is what it’s best for Newcastle United and that’s what is important. No-one man is bigger than this club! C’mon Pardew! Just grow a set of balls and play 433 and bring the good times of last season back to St James’s!!!!!!!!! HWTL

  • 145 Alan Pas-de-clue // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:03 PM

    Repost:

    Ok guys ive been crunching some numbers and we are missing one crucial player. James perch. I have been a huge critic of him in the past but this cannot be ignored :

    With him providing stability in the midfield we have p5 w4 d1 2.6points per game (title winning form).

    with him in defence p8 w2 d4 l2 1.25 ppg (mid table)

    without him as of today we have played 8, w0 d4 l4 0.57ppg- needless to say relegation form

    They do say that with defensive midfielders they arent noticed until they have gone

  • 146 Magpies-till-d3ath // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:03 PM

    Krul
    Simpson Saylor Coloccini Santon
    Anita Tiote Gutierrez
    Obertan/Marveaux Cisse Ba

    Team for Wednesday night, even though there’s like 0.01% chance of Pardew going with it!!! :)

  • 147 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:03 PM

    til death

    i agree

    but let’s not kid ourselves. negativity has seemingly slipped into every facet. It’s going to take more than a change in formation.

    on top of tactics/formation changing, i’m not sure exactly what it will take, but i’m not the one getting paid to figure it out….no, no, i just help pay those lazy sons-of-b*tches ludicrous salaries

  • 148 Alan Pas-de-clue // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM

    * 0.5ppg now after southampton

  • 149 Magpies-till-d3ath // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:06 PM

    Krul
    Debuchy Douglas Coloccini Santon
    Cabaye Tiote Sissoko
    Ben Arfa Ba/Cisse Aubameyang/Remy

    That’ll be our team by end of Jan, if I have woken up by then that is! ;)

  • 150 sirtoongospel // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:08 PM

    That team is what I would pick, with Ba on the left. If he didn’t like it, looking at our situation right now, it would say enough about him. If he won’t do a job for a team in need then get shot of him. Surely he would be happy to do it based on our current form, and squad situation?

  • 151 cadete // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:09 PM

    til death
    I agree but I dont feel demba or cisse have to go we need a quality left winger we knew this last season and then play ba/cisse whoever is in the best form down the middle.
    Ba was moaning about playing there last year why oh why didnt pardew buy someone to fill that position and rotate the strikers as required. At the minute I wouldnt play cisse at all i would bench him and get fergie on that left wing and leave ba in the middle, he cant be dropped cause he is scoring goals

  • 152 sirtoongospel // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:27 PM

    Sometimes scoring goals is to the detriment of the team. Ba passes to no-one. Today he had his back to goal an the lay off to Anita was so obvious it was untrue. But Ba just wanted to turn, lost it and the chance was gone. It happened alot and has happened all season. Ba has to realise that personal goal tallies mean nothing. We all thought loads of him last eason when he played on the left. His agent said after the Everton game that he got no credit last season!! Utter rubbish! He was applauded by everyone for doing a team job, even if it was reluctantly. We were winning and playing well. Pardew has to sort the Ba situation out now. Sign a contract or leave. This clause is a joke.

  • 153 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    Wonder what Shearer will have to say ?

  • 154 boater // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:30 PM

    Cadete and others. Dropping Cisse – one of Europe’s best striking talents last season – for Ferguson (or Sammy) a very raw kid is complete madness. We must play our best players wherever possible, and find a way for it to work tactically.

    Lack of investment in the summer was an issue that annoyed the hell out of me, but it’s not why we lost the last 3 games. The team we’ve had out should have 7 points from those fixtures. I heard Southampton supporters saying when they saw our team sheet they thought ‘we’re getting beaten today’.. they were amazed at how hopeless we were.

  • 155 afrogeordie2000 // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:33 PM

    Evening fellow Geordies.

    Well I’m certainly fearful but hoping that Pardew can turn things around.

    Forget tactics and team setup. There is a problem, a severe problem with the players heads. The fight from last season is really starting to dissipate and fast.

    3 wins out of 13
    3 consecutive defeats
    No away wins
    2nd Worst amount of successful forward passes made in the final third in the league(Mackems no.1)
    Highest proportion of long passing in the league
    No goals from set play (minus demba handball)
    Never ever came from behind to win a game under Pardew

    Before we get to the much vaunted Jan 1st we have these fixtures…

    Stoke (a)
    Wigan (h)
    Fulham (a)
    Man City (h)
    QPR (h)
    Man Utd (a)
    Arsenal (a)

    Last season we would’ve been really optimistic, but suddenly we’re staring into an abyss.

    Stoke is now a masive, massive game. we must not get beat. A draw , followed by a win at home to Wigan and we’ll start to get our confidence back.

    If we get beat by Stoke, there’s a big chance we could descend into a relegation battle.

    Pardew has 2 days with the squad and he has to go back to basics. Pressing, working hard for each other. Support forward play. We have none of this going forward.

    I’m not calling for his head and will support this club to the hilt but something has to change on Wednesday otherwise Ashley and Pardew are going to have a very uncomfortable xmas.

    I just hope he can sort it out.

  • 156 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:33 PM

    I think Ashley realises he has to protect his asset. Mustn’t he? I hope he realises he needs to spend for us to be profitable long term.

    If he doesn’t blow it all on the casinos, we could really use Debuchy (cut price due to being unhappy) Douglas or other cut price cb, sisscokho (cut price) and a quality striker who offers something different to ba and cisse.

    Debuchy – 5 mil
    Douglas – 3 mil
    Sisscokho – 3 m
    Striker – 10-15 mil.

    Approximately 25 mil to protect his team.

    He won’t do it like.

  • 157 Munster Mag // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:37 PM

    And so the chickens have come home to roost. As I have said before Ashley and Llambias ( the chickens! ) FAILED the acid test that I said they would fail all summer. Right up until the last moment, the happy clappies said to hold off with the criticism, as we might be driving down the prices. Yeah whatever! I admit to finding it hard to explain why the hell the performance of almost every player has dropped, but I hang most of the blame at Ashleys door for failing to improve the squad and invest seriously. I believe this has annoyed the senior pros and I think Pards has been using his cockney window cleaner patter to sell a vision to guys like Anita that just doesnt exist in terms of the playing style that guys like Anita and Cabaye want. I have always liked Pardew’s honesty after games ( a beacon of truth compared to the Pulis’s of this world ) but something has deserted him, and I think its the players. Why else have we been rubbish in every first half this season – its because they arent bothered. Probably annoyed that we didnt invest, and totally relaxed that their places are safe. I also said months ago that we cannot expect to get lucky on guys like Tiote every year and the decison to invest in development now stinks of the kind of penny pinching that it smelled of ( to me anyway ) , at the time. I sincerely hope Pardew turns it around and Ashley sees the folly of his ways in January, but I doubt it. We have shown relegation form all season in reality, because luck has got us so much ( Cisse’s back etc ) but I have maintained for a long time now that NUFC is being ridden by Sports Direct. You CANNOT build a successful club without intelligent management, ambition, and ongoing investment. Ashleys only ambition is for NUFC to promote his shops and is we survive (just about) , every year in the premiership on limited investment and french 18 yr olds being fattened up for proper clubs, and i think that’s ok by him. He doesnt like the geordie public, and he has ridiculed the fans and the clubs icons and heritage consistentky. But many on here thought it was progessive. As I said often in the past – do you think Liverpool fans would put up with Anfield having the mickey taken out of it? Can I just remind some of you that we somehow managed to get Joe Kinnear as a manager? I mean …..how?????

  • 158 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:39 PM

    Sirtoon
    You talk as if demba is the only player with a release clause in his contract! Most players have them written in these days its hiw agents make there money it either garuntees a move or a re negotiation
    Also he’s not the only player not passing and losing possesion the whole squad have been including cisse, cisse doesnt pass shoots from anywhere and couldnt stay onside if his life depended on it!
    Demba was getting plenty of agro aswell last season loadsa fans saying he hasn’t scored since jan so flog him it’s ridiculous he’s a CF not a LW so why waste him there why should he be the only player to adjust his game? If cisse’s not scoring he’s useless and out the 2 of them he’s the one who has something to prove he’s the one who should at the very least be trying to adapt his game every other player in the league has the ability to change there game when there struggling he should be no different no one’s bigger than the team and that should apply to him just as much.
    Switching to 433 isnt going to suddenly see cisse banging in goals left right and centre because our midfield is non exsistent theres bigger issue’s than Ba not playing lw get off the lads case we dont have to play 442 just cos he wants to play central do you think cisse hasnt been demanding to play central too? Of course he has and theres a pressure to play him and he knows this any other team and cisse would be lucky to be making the bench this season

  • 159 afrogeordie2000 // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:42 PM

    It’s even worse on second watch and that’s just the highlights.

    The worst thing is I don’t think that Pardew has a clue how to sort the problems out.

    The players aren’t responding to going down, Southampton wanted the win more than us.

    There’s something up behind the scenes….has to be.

  • 160 Munster Mag // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:47 PM

    Matty, not defending Pards, but who would have been our attacking creative midfielder? Abeid?? As I have said before many many many times, Ashleys purchasing philosophy is wholly dictated by cheapness or discount and a nosebleed around 5 mill sterling ( not euro ) . The only reason Cisse turned up at St James was the 4 mill discount. I honestly believe that if Cisse was worth 10 mill and in the middle of his contract ( no discounts available ) , and Freiburg were wealthy, he would still be in Germany This, guys like Abeid and Amalfitano get signed up, but we cant pay up for guys like Debuchy at face value, in any numbers. In other words, we might sign Anita at proper value, but we cant do that two or three times in a window. So Debuchy becomes a major problem because we just wont pay the going rate. Derek you toad, learn some lessons.

  • 161 RonVanDam // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:50 PM

    Heres a few things that i think went wrong this season.

    1) MA and DL thought they could replicate last seasons success this season with a very thin squad and ruthless bargaining tactics which has now backfired. We shouldve picked up free agents atleast if they wanted to save money, that way we couldve tied them to short term deals and cut them off if they weren’t up to scratch by the end of the season.

    2) It looks like Pardew is keeping to his 4-4-2 tactics to keep Ba happy and its affecting the team.

    3) Reinforcements need to be brought in. We need no less than 6 players next window to have any chance of finishing close to when we did last term.

  • 162 Munster Mag // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:50 PM

    Afro, i said the same thing a few mins ago – there’s something amiss. They are demotivated in every game as shown by the first half – of every game. I reckon guys like Cabaye are a bit tired after their arduous summer and arent as bothered as they should be because we didnt invest, and guys like him and Ba dont give a monkeys now and Pardew cant change that.

  • 163 afrogeordie2000 // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:58 PM

    Munster,

    I totally agree with you.

    If I remember rightly at the start of the season Benny was talking about challenging for the title (over optimistic but it shows the ambition of what the lad wants to achieve)

    Cabaye after a succesful euros and probably of the belief that his best mate is joining him at a top English side is probably deflated at the football on offer and the lack of investment.

    Pardews has to be bold and try something completely different either on the training ground or with his setup of the tactics. If he doesn’t then he’s going to find out very quickly what it’s like to have the geordies on his back.

    I want it to work and hope things change, but if I’m honest, I’m very pessimistic about the future.

  • 164 JAMSHA // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:04 PM

    ANOTHER LOSS AN WE ARE DOOMD!

  • 165 afrogeordie2000 // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:08 PM

    Also anyone remember Pardew at the euros (pundit on bbc or itv) commenting on Spain saying he would like to pickup one or two things from their style of play and implement them into Newcastle’s play?

    For Stoke I’d go for this…

    Krul
    Simpson Saylor Collo Santon

    Tiote Bigi
    Anita
    Marveaux (doubtful but Benny) Guti

    Ba

  • 166 sirtoongospel // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:09 PM

    toonarmydownsouth, I watch the way we are playing with Demba up front. I have seen us show flashes of good football this season, and every time he hasn’t been in the team. The final straw was last Thursday when he came on and we immediately lost all fluency.

    We need to move the ball quickly if we are to get back to where we were last season. Cisse will do that but we have to have people up with him and even running beyond him. Cabaye, Ba and HBA in advanced positions will see that happen. Tiote back to his best is crucial too. But i make this point to you, and you can slate it if you want, when the ball goes to Demba, he dwells on it and doesn’t keep it long enough to allow support to get up with him. Not all his fault but it is a factor. Cisse tries the instant pass, which can be great for us but only if he has support up with him. The defensiveand negative tactics is stopping that from happening too. There a few things causing us problems at present but if you think that we can play fluent football and look good with Ba up front with balls put into him, then you are watching something different to me. The other night we had good footballers on the pitch and we got in behind a few times in the first 30 minutes. The injury to HBA was unfortunate but we started to play the right way. When Ba went on it stopped instantly. Now either the players are idiots and do it on purpose, or Pardew has told them to use Ba a certain way, but whichever it is, it’s not working. So it needs to change. I don’t have a personal thing against Ba, he is a massive asset, but we need to play to the teams strengths. For the record I agree with the Cisse offside thing, he needs to sort it out, I like how he tries to get in behind but it needs sorting. As for the shooting from anywhere thing, he did it once this season against West Ham, but how many times has Demba done it when he has players ahead of him? Loads. Cisse did it when he was the furthest player up the field with no one ahead of him.

  • 167 RonVanDam // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:14 PM

    What is holding Cisse back? Is it his lack of English? Is he injured? Is he a loner during training and is getting disliked by everyone? Is there bad blood between him and Ba? Why is the best striker of the 2nd of last years campaign so quiet this season?

  • 168 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:18 PM

    Sirtoon
    Im not disagreeing that 442 doesnt work cos it doesnt and maybe ive missed your point but for me demba has earned the right this season to spear head the offense preferably in a 433 and i dont think he should be played lw just because he can and because of this i think he’s bieng made a scape goat for the whole squads poor form.
    I also dont think we’d change the entire team set up just to suit ba to keep him happy we’ve never done that with players infact we normally show them the door when they start up trying to demand preffered positions!
    Also to get cisse scoring its depending on alot of factors, factors which arent happening atm mo, we need cabaye for cisse to be at top form and he’s out til jan, we need benny but need him to be able to play freely which he cant because of our poor midfield/defence and we need tiote back to tiote theres a lot of if’s and but’s and i think that fluent 433 from last season wont be seen this season because we dont seem to have fit players confident enough to execute it

  • 169 Graeme // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:18 PM

    From Pardew’s comments in the article by ED, I would suggest that our manager wants ragging with a shaggy bottle.

    Its just one excuse after another and its getting tedious. If you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

    Nothing has changed. WE are still NUFC, always have been, always will be. If you are unable to motivate your players for a vital away match, maybe you are in the wrong profession??

  • 170 sirtoongospel // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:22 PM

    Oh, and “get off the lads case”??? I am entitled to an opinion, you can slate Cisse, and say he has everything to prove. But that’s ok because it’s your opinion? Cisse would be lucky to get on the bench at any other club? Again fine because it’s your opinion? Cisse should be able to change his game like every other player? Who in our team have changed their game? The only one I see is HBA who works hard defensively now when it is needed. His work rate is great. Other than that not one player have changed their game. But Cisse has to?

    My opinion (which I am not allowed) is that we won’t ever play the type of football I like to watch with Ba playing as an out and out centre forward. I want my team to play well, I spend thousands every year following them and I want to see us play dynamic football. It isn’t a crime. Everyone on here has their own opinions and rightly so. If you don’t want to read mine, then as soon as you see my name just skip past the comment.

  • 171 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:23 PM

    Is it any coincidence that most PL teams play 4-2-3-1 or with one striker ?. Maybe that is our problem. I would like to see this
    —————-Tiote————–Anita————–

    —–HBA————–Cabaye——-Marveaux—

    ———————-Cisse/Ba————————-

  • 172 RonVanDam // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:27 PM

    We need a good left/right back. Depends on where Santon wants to play.
    We need CREATIVE MIDFIELDERS AND WINGERS (in Caps – yes coz we lack CREATIVE players) theres no one there apart from hba and cabaye and our wingers are shitty

  • 173 sirtoongospel // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:28 PM

    Demba Ba, 24 in 47 league games, Cisse 14 in 23 league games. Goal records are very very similar. They should both be a threat if our midfield is sorted.

  • 174 TINTIN // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:28 PM

    Cisse just whats the be in Ba place up front in middle and not on the shoulders. Problems is these 2 want 2 be in same place. They don’t want 2 play together but here the thing why does pardew not but let say shola in middle and cisse, ba just behind him so any knock on and one of them would get on 2 it

  • 175 sirtoongospel // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:31 PM

    RonVanDam, i agree on the wingers. When HBA is out, we have nothing in wide areas. We need 2 top class wide players. That would help us massively. Ba and Cisse could be brilliant together if we had people who could get to the bi-line and get balls in. We just don’t look like seeing midfield players get in behind just now.

  • 176 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:31 PM

    Sirtoon
    Get off his case as in every game we’ve played this season there’s been an implication from that its because ba is bieng selfish which is an opinion
    Cisse is playing poor thats not an opinion thats a fact
    As For whos changed there game or been asked to change there game?
    Gutierez
    Ferguson
    Hba
    Anita
    Perch
    Ryan taylor
    Marveux
    Vuckic
    Gosling
    Sammy
    Demba

    All have been asked and given 100% effort in to playing in several positions over the last couple of season and all have the ability to slot into different roles throughout a game

  • 177 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:33 PM

    *from fans that it’s ba’s fault

  • 178 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:41 PM

    Abeid’s one of the best players in the squad. Great player. Marveaux should’ve started today. I expect us to finish in the top 17 this season. Signing Debuchy, Alderewerield, Boudebouz, Sissokho and Remy will steer us towards a european place.

  • 179 Tsunki // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:43 PM

    What an embarrassing gutless display. I hope fans of other clubs have not been watching the performances lately, it actually makes you ashamed to be a NUFC fan. The mackems must be laughing their backs off, seeing never-heard-ofs putting in fleeting terrible cameos which end up in a demoralising spectacle.

    I’m talking about this blog. Spare us the self-aggrandising crusades and show some nerve – are we really mooting relegation NOW? When we start getting points again most of the posters here today will go back down the plughole we all know that.

    1/ sack pards and get who?
    2/ sell the club to who?

    anyone got any sensible suggestions? No I didnt think so. Look, Pards is not the manager we would most like. Ashley aint the best owner ever either. The team is thin and has a low-quality backbone, but investment was always promised to be slow and steady so its no surprise that time is required. Some of you show very little backbone when it comes to support, and one character talks about boycotting games, that old chestnut that can never possibly work.

    I dont buy the owner/manager/formation thing, its simpler than that – the squad is inexperienced, unfamiliar and largely not ready for a fight because of it. Our midfield is hopelessly disjointed and games pass them by. It has to be plugged and I am sure it will, until then unrealistic calls for heads to roll based on the supposition we are going down a league at this time of year are laughable.

  • 180 Tsunki // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:45 PM

    HA HA HA I was just going to say where in the hell is KETSY!!! Right on cue :D

    Priceless. Jump in Ketsy the water is warm, real warm. :D :D :D

  • 181 sirtoongospel // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:46 PM

    Playing in a slightly different position is not changing their game. If Cisse wa aske to play right back I am sure he would do it. Clearly though he hasn’t been asked to. Do you recall Shearer playing anywhere else? BA did a job last season and the team was winning and playing well. Why change it? Some changes are unavoidable but Pardew has done some of his own devices. I want to see a team that plays good football. That’s all. You talk of facts, is it not a fact that we have hit long balls to Ba constantly? Or am I seeing things? Was Thursday night a mirage? First half hour decent, last 60 awful. Everyone there felt the same.

  • 182 Brutooon // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:46 PM

    First half tactics
    1) put long ball to demba ba
    2) Demba ba lose the ball, other midfield nowhere to be seen. Therefore gave ball to opponents
    3) Let opponents attack. If possible get the ball
    4) get the ball. then repeat step 1)

  • 183 Tsunki // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:47 PM

    I also expect us to finish in the top 17. ;)

  • 184 toonLYF // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:51 PM

    afro @ 163…

    I agree with that fully. Every week this season when the next game comes around, it seems as if Pardew and the players haven’t actually worked on tactics, as in build up play; what happens if X doesn’t work etc.. We rely on isolated moments and it’s not good enough to be a top Premier League side.

    I want to start seeing clear changes week by week, and methods persevered with. I know i’d rather lose whilst trying different systems out, than watching the same old disjointed tactic every week. Southampton played some lovely football at times today, however going on technical ability not one of their players would make our starting 11.

    How hard can it be to start looking like an actual team?

    I too really like most aspects of Pardew, and i know fine well that we have some serious talent in our team, and i’ll keep supporting week in and week out the same as i would be if we were brushing teams aside every week.

    It’s incredible what one win can do in this league, lets get behind the lads, get our win, and things will begin to improve, and hopefully we can find some of that form we showed in the last quarter of the last season.

  • 185 hatemorloveit // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:52 PM

    Im i the only one who thinks anita is utter shiite?

  • 186 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:52 PM

    Tsunki…great post, but I think we all just see things differently. If you look at it from my eyes you would be saying something entirely different.

    …I think it is easy to pinpoint the flaws, but they come in numbers and there are no easy fix. Something can be done and should so a long time ago.

    and of course Pardew need to take responsibility no matter how thin or inexperienced you think the team is He said it was great back in august and it could do the job; it can’t, but his arrogance is also letting us done.

    I am not advocating we should sack Pardew or the board should sell up; I am not even saying we should sell our players, but if some one was brought in to pinpoint our misery what would you say it would be?

  • 187 afrogeordie2000 // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:52 PM

    Kets,

    I’m not one of those calling for Pardew’s head but I for one am not ruling us out of a relegation battle just yet.

    It all hinges on our next two games though. Pickup four points and our confidence will return, players coming back etc. and we’ll build towards New Year.

    Lose them however and we’re are going to be in for a helluva fight.

    We have lost three on the trot to ‘weaker’ sides and have the big boys to play in December. So if we lose the next two we will be talking about a serious relegation fight.

    I sincerely hope we don’t and hope we can draw at Stoke and beat Wigan.

  • 188 BelfastMagpie // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:53 PM

    I would take over no probs.

    But I’ve been out of the management game since championship manager 2003.

    So I’d probably just come on here,and steal everybodys tactics and team selections.

    And before you ask me kets,Abeid would not be starting.

  • 189 afrogeordie2000 // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:53 PM

    *Tsunki!!!

  • 190 Brutooon // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:54 PM

    1) Anita is a total waste of space. this guy is a midfielder but CANT pass. He should scores when we got the chance! Is he a defensive midfield? or an attacking? So far he is NOWHERE near a player called midfield.

    give him time? until when? until 10 defeat in a row?

    2) Our long ball strategy is useless. Demba Ba is not the best in keeping the ball. That strategy backfires us and make Southampton play like BARCA

    4) Williamson and Simpson – Both Championship quality. There is nowhere clubs at the top 6 will play them week in week out. play championship defenders = gave you championship position

    5) Gonna blame injuries and fatigue? Buy more players and get squad depth. If this Europe thing bother us, then lets get defeat in Europe and focus on the league

    6) We should be CONCERN. we got only 6 points out of 24 points available since AP signed the 8 years deal.

    7) 3 defeat in a rows. This three matches and against a team who head to head is lower than us. Southampton look like scoring 5-6 goals last night and what if when we play the top 4 teams? 10-0 maybe

  • 191 Brutooon // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:55 PM

    hatemoreloveit

    Anita is totally SHIT. this guy dont know anything about football.

    If you notice, our bad results starts when we play him

  • 192 Tsunki // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:57 PM

    Boater said it yesterday – cisse and ba arent the problem in themselves except for the fact they are dropping too deep to pick up crumbs and are very rarely in decent forward positions, definitely not before the opposition defenders anyway. They have no midfield channel to supply them, with hba gone (and even when he is playing there is no link-up) its glaring. We either play crap down the wings or boot it upfield, either way the opposition defence has had enough time to get ready for our next ‘attack’ When was the last breaking play you saw? Plus we still have the problem of flying fb’s loving to get stranded upfield while we are caught on the break. Midfield should all be tight in when we lose the ball, and make space when we have it. we do the opposite at the minute and I dont know why they do that regardless of formation.

  • 193 BelfastMagpie // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:57 PM

    Tsunki im on to you mate.

    Coming on late at nyt,when the insane people have all went to sleep.

    Your never here in the heart of the battle. :-)

  • 194 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:57 PM

    Williamson and Simpson cost us the game again today. Pathetic defending.

  • 195 Tsunki // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:58 PM

    oh great brutoon is back and he has found his new shola. even more wrong this time.

  • 196 jeff // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:59 PM

    the main issue for me is that pardew is too scared to drop players and blatantly has his players

  • 197 solano // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:59 PM

    I remember the late, great JimmyMagpie telling us a story of discontent among senior players and the manager and the MD back in the summer and he got jumped upon by the happy clapper brigade (2weeks before Steve Wraith got panned for telling the same story on twitter)
    A member of the SJP staff recently told me that the story was indeed true. The role of Pardew as a Patsy for his employers has lost him authority and respect from some of the players who really performed for him last year under the promise of building something progressive on the football side of things. Of course, that didn’t happen and with thecurrent crisis of confidence and injuries it has all blown up.
    I await with baited breath to see the list of names that will emerge to provide the short term fix for a longterm problem.
    The maggots at the very top have got to go!

  • 198 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:00 AM

    Anita’s been our star performer at the moment.

  • 199 sirtoongospel // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:00 AM

    Brutooon, exactly, it was very very poor. That is my point regarding Ba. I think he is the catalyst to our problems. He is a big lad so let’s just lump it to him. It doesn’t work!!!!! So either the team changes the way we play completely or you take away the option for a few games. Loads of people think dropping Cisse is a solution, loads think dropping Demba is a solution. I am convinced that they should both be playing, but with specific instructions. Being honest, Ba in a withdrawn role as a deeper striker would be my choice with Cisse higher. Tell Demba he has to play an all round game, including passing, tell Cisse to stay onside if at all possible!!! Centre midfield is good when we have first choice available, but we have no decent back up. Tiote is off soon too. A new top class CM player is surely going to be brought in?

    No exaggeration though, we are a full back, centre back, CM, striker and 2 wingers away from being a top 5 or 6 team. 6 players. We should have had the full back, centre back and striker in the Summer. This window we would have just needed to bring 1 in maybe then another 2 this Summer to make us very very good team. The squad just now though is threadbare in quality, not in numbers.

    Llambias talks about 11 “purples”, well after that we go to brown. Because we have a fair bit of 5hite!!

  • 200 Tsunki // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:01 AM

    Belfast you are spot on I cant take the heat.

  • 201 afrogeordie2000 // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:03 AM

    from where we are now in the league and the europa + fa cup.

    What would you guys call a good season?

    For me personally, I’d be happy finishing top 8 with a good run in either one of the cups provided the side (and Owner) showed progression in terms of football standard and investment in January

  • 202 BelfastMagpie // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:05 AM

    Expecting nowt from the stoke game.

    The wigan game is a full six pointer.

    If we lose that one we’re in trouble.

  • 203 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:06 AM

    Marveaux needs to play in every game until the end of the season.

  • 204 Magickit // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:07 AM

    Lets make a “Who ‘s the worst player against Soton?” vote.

    Sammy comes first. He offers NOTHING and loss possession every single time, and he cant cross as well !
    !!!

    Jonas comes second , he cant pass cant run.

    Cisse comes third, he offside toooooo many times, what happen to him ???????

  • 205 Tsunki // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:09 AM

    Actually its not the heat I have a problem with ;)

    I wonder why the dressing room of discontent did not shed a few top players in summer then? Maybe they will leave in january.

    Conspiracy theorists lol.

    I am going to bed.

  • 206 sirtoongospel // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:11 AM

    afro, that would be a superb season, and is what i hoped for before the season started. I am just wanting to see us pass the ball and at least try to entertain. We hit more long balls than Stoke, West Ham etc, and it doesn’t suit our players. Cisse is suited to through balls. Ba suited to crosses from the bi-line. We do neither. The game we play suits none of our strikers, both of who are 1 in 2 strikers. Between them, on strike rates since they joined us, are 20 goals a season strikers (thats league goals only by the way). They are both clearly devastating in front of goal. Problem is we never put them in front of goal!!

    Our midfield is either out of form or just not good enough. 1 win in 10 is too long for out of form excuses. Even that was from Cisse’s arse. We need changes. To style of play and most importantly desire.

    Tell Cheick to forget about cards and play with his usual hatred and we might just start to get a foothold in games for others to play. That was the secret of last season. Cheick dominating and the others were left free to attack.

  • 207 peterrwrightt // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:14 AM

    danuneek #82
    you put your team against stoke and didnt include Santon in the defence? he’s been our best defender this season.

  • 208 peterrwrightt // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:16 AM

    If we lose against Stoke & Wigan, i can see us finishing bottom 10. on the other hand, i can see us getting to the Europa League final.

  • 209 Jamiemac // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:18 AM

    God some of the absolute cr*p written on this blog is unbearablee! No way did we deserve 5th last year. We’re clearly a mid table team still in transition. We were in the championship not long ago for Christ sake! These recent results obviously aren’t anything to cheer about but there’s no reason for pretty much everyone on this blog to cry over it and call for pardew out!! A mid table finish and a decent run in Europe will do me for this season.

  • 210 Mister Tuff // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:20 AM

    Tsunki @#204 -you ask why senior players did not leave in the summer.
    Check out :-
    Premier League Gets New Astonishingly Rich TV Deal
    9:02 am, Thursday, June 14th, 2012 by Ed Harrison ·

    might give you some clues.

  • 211 croftus5678 // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:22 AM

    @180

    i agree with toon buddy take ba out or even put him on the wing and our team is ….relegation material.
    no matter what you say cisse is poor this season and putting ba elsewere you lose them goals not a case of not passing ! as no one else inc cisse atm in our team can get a shot on target nvm score.
    and if we are not carefull and supportive around him (as there have been a few toon fans on his twitter account who have spoke without thinking) he will not want to play for fans that treat him the way we are.
    ba is one of the ones i see who allways tries for this club we should be praising him for being a diamond in the roth not saying its all his fault

  • 212 sirtoongospel // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:33 AM

    Croftus, no one has said it his all his fault. What has been mentioned by a few people, not just me, is that we lump it to him constantly. Saying that without his goals we would be screwed is short sighted. Were we screwed last season when he never scored from January through May? Or did we go on our best run? We need to play what is best for the team. The system that was so succesful has been abandoned. We need to get back to it. 4-3-3 is the answer, if Ba plays up front and it works then great, if it’s Cisse then great. I care about my team and what is best for us as a club, not any one player. But the best football last season and the best run of games we had was 4-3-3 with Ba on the left. I am not making that up. We havent tried that at any point this season, and I would like to know why. My opinion is as you have read, others have differing ones, but who can honestly say that long ball to Ba is working?

  • 213 sirtoongospel // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:34 AM

    What has been said on twitter by the way?

  • 214 NUFC STEVE // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:39 AM

    If we lose against Wigan stoke and prob Fulham pardew will get the chop.

  • 215 RonVanDam // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:41 AM

    Somebody call Search and Rescue. Pardew is lost.

  • 216 Zangwill_Ho // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:41 AM

    Pls use 4-3-3. No more method now. Pardew, can u hear me?!

  • 217 Alan_Pardew // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:55 AM

    Yes i can

  • 218 brklyngeordie // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:03 AM

    Long time no post and like most very disappointed with the performances this year.. Although unlike most i believe the blame is to be spread around and that there are many factors in the shite we’ve been exposed to this year.. last years success certainly elevated the players and boards evaluation of last years team and therefore cost us dipping in to the pockets of the fat man (not that he ever opens them) this summer..our summer window was shit thats obvious and im sure a few of the lads did have there heads spun by a few agents and caused the team to lose focus as a unit…Pards has not been on his game this year…last but not least i know this is unheard of but Carr has not got us a few players over the years that with a little over-evaluation at the time could have got us a few players that would have the club looking so much better…those players im talking about are Moses,Long, Diame,Clyne a few more as well but those 4 in particular i felt like were the type of players we are going after in this current regime but cheaped out and now will all be priced out of our reach in the years to come sad.. Season will be a long one probably finish outside the top 10 not relegated though and depending on our draw in the europa league round of 32 will be knocked out of that as well.. O well still will be entertaining i guess

  • 219 Magickit // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:15 AM

    Soton 2 hitting bar, 1 hitting post, 1 nearly onside goal + krul make several good saves .

    We should ‘ve been lost 0-8 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    not only the problem of attacking.

    our def is really shocking !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 220 DG MAGPIE // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:17 AM

    I can see us slowly gain and take knee west ham Fulham Norwhich stoke and Swansea… Everton spurs and west brom are out of reach for now. So I think we in an 8th/9th battle with the bin dippers.
    That I however if we pull our head out our arses.

  • 221 Kyo // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:41 AM

    hahahah Europa League final?

    Napoli will annihilate us next round.

  • 222 Brutooon // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:54 AM

    Europa League – we will never win it. We can’t even beat to poor maritimo at home!

    Anita our best performance? – whoever said that need to have an eye check

    Cisse is constantly offside, can we teach him the basic of football?

    Its not the problem of 4-4-2 or 4-3-3. its our LONG BALL SYSTEM which is NOT WORKING. At 2nd half, we play more ground ball which lead us to several chances (10 times better than 1st half)

  • 223 toonin // Nov 26, 2012 at 2:21 AM

    January out:
    - Ba
    - Cabaye
    - Krul

    January in:
    - Some Championship League players

    We’re in a deep sh1T lads….

  • 224 RonVanDam // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:52 AM

    We had 3 first team guys out and still couldnt beat them. Players r either burnt out or Pardews Tactics arent working or both

  • 225 JDdubai // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:56 AM

    Its not just the injuries to blame, even the beginning of the season our performances were crap, not 1 good 90 min performance this season in the PL.

    Cisse and Ba in a 442, sadly before the match I said I now look forward to games with despair and expectations of rubbish brainless football and so it turned out.

    -Ba and Cisse do not work together in 442.
    -442 does not work without a dominant CF in the air(AC)
    -Fergie is not a winger in the PL, train him to be an attacking fullback, will never score enough goals to be a LW.
    -Please never again play a midfield of Jonas, Tiote, Anita and Fergie – no threat, no creativity, no pace and despite all that no protection for the defence somehow???? With that tram out, the least we should have been is solid and difficult to break down but Soton carved through us so many times, players werent sprinting back to help etc.
    -Cisse stay the F@ck onside!!!!!!!!!!
    -We need to wake up, we are in a relegation fight now, if we dont turn it round before Xmas we will be firmly in the doo-doo. Last time we had a talented team that played this horrifically we got relegated.

  • 226 obatoyou // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:23 AM

    Defeat is very easy for me to take to be honest, to cut it in the premier league one needs to spend money, we spend 0 or 1 mil, the premier league is very competitive these days, all the teams are very good. We need to spend like 40 million min in jan if we want to do well. Personally I made a bet on southampton to win by 2 or more, won’t be doing the same for stoke tho, good luck boys

  • 227 jimmysmith // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:27 AM

    Normally I’d say speak you’re mind but this mindless negative clamor will gain us nothing.

    Just as Pards should say less, so should we, this hysterical, ill disciplined whining serves no positive purpose.

    Man up girls, and ride this out.

  • 228 obatoyou // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:37 AM

    Not being negative in particular, don’t get to read the blog much so was just responding to Ed’s comment that defeat is hard to swallow, as this result has had remarkably no effect on me whatsoever. I remain positive of course, Tim krul was excellent again, colo will be back wednesday and the team will be a little more cautious

  • 229 obatoyou // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:42 AM

    Come to think, commenting to Ed once in a while may be very pointless, as he doesn’t reply anyhoo heh

  • 230 cyprus // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:24 AM

    OK, now he can hit the panic button. It’s not the 3 defeats, it’s the manner. We are playing the poorest football in the league, even our wins have been fortuitous, our coach is not good enough. That crazy 8 year deal sure looks a poor decision right now, not even fergie ever got that! We now need to spend the 27 million we ‘saved’ in the summer… even southampton spent that amount. Forrget about balancing the books right now, invest in survival, as we are playing worse than we did when we were relegated. To be honest, all of us were somewhat bemused when we kept winning last year, including AP.

  • 231 cyprus // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:01 AM

    So, what does hitting the panic button mean, apart from (a)the necessity for a big investment in January? (b)The Europa League must be abandoned, as AP can’t handle doing his HW twice a week. That must be left to Beardo and our reserve team. (Those who are often on this blog know that I was all for the Europa, but I now believe AP, he can’t cope).(c) A siege mentality: Every game must be played like a cup final. We are the underdog with ALL teams in the PL, so we have to scrap for any points we can get.

  • 232 cyprus // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:13 AM

    Last comment, then off to work. Jimmysmith, ‘man up’ is not pretending nothing’s wrong, like u do. ‘Man up’ means u have the strength to realise there’s a problem and to take it head on.

  • 233 valle // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:16 AM

    This team plays like the one that got relegated… The manager refuses to stray from his 4-4-2 which is clearly not working as well as the 4-3-3 we used last season and the oldtimers who arent performing like Jonas and Simpson are still 100% sure to get a game no matter how bad they are.

  • 234 karasu // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:17 AM

    I’m personally still optimistic about the Europa League. We have been undefeated in the Europa League thus far. Gritty, but victorious. However many panic buttons I’ve mashed for the Premier League, I’ve yet to touch one for the Europa League. If, lets just say if, we win the Europa League while ending the Premier League in 17th, I’ll be a happy man.

    Hey, that’s why it’s a dream, right?

  • 235 valle // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:24 AM

    Cyprus… 100% Agree… What this “man up” shit, people who refuse to see the problem are as bad as those who overreact.

  • 236 jimmysmith // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:26 AM

    Cyprus, “Man up”, is a jibe at those who I believe are over reacting.

    There is clearly something wrong, but some of the extreme stuff said on here is no more than self indulgent venting, and it can influence a general mood that at this stage is reactionary and ill considered.

    Pardew is trying to do a job, does he really need it or deserve it, I for one don’t think so.

  • 237 Santon03 // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:29 AM

    I can understand if we were up against Everton, Fulham, Liverpool, but against 2 newly promoted teams is too much.
    Soton has the worst defensive record so far and we can’t even score, the closest we got was a header from our fb (Santon).
    I think the morale is very low in the team right now, I don’t think the players want to play this kind of football. Even Soton play better brand of football than us, I can’t imagine if we are playing against Arsenal or City, probably 3 or 4 – 0 before half time.
    Again with the excuses not a full team, even with a full team I don’t think it could make any difference, even with 4 or 5 new additions in January. We play like Stoke, but at least Stoke has players suited to their style, they are land of giants, it’s normal if they play to their strength.

  • 238 shearermania // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:43 AM

    the reason we are playing long balls could be:
    1.the players have no confidence, our defenders and midfielders are afraid of having the ball and hoof it like its hot coal..best illustated in simmo and willo who has absolute no technical ability.

    2. our midfield is way too flat causing the midfielders to try the long pass as theres is no one around making it too easy for oppostion to mark- so only option is forward.
    our strikers are not making any diagonal runs – both are playing through the middle making our formation too flat and causing the huge gap between the lines so our wingers get lost-

    3. tiote is not the same as last year, he has had a few niggling injuries this season so i dont think hes quite up to speed. Anita has had a very poor start and looks deprived of confidence and how to adapt and where his position should be – reminds me a lot of obertan in that aspect.
    too many defensive midfielders when a bit of flair is needed. take any of these midfielders and they would all be defensive minded: tiote, anita, perch. abeid, gosling.

    4 . the system …whether its 442 or 443 the problem is still the same, we are too rigid and static…man u are playing 442 but its soo fluid and very attractive to watch cause their forwards are making different runs causing an overload on the wings.

  • 239 Mister Tuff // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:54 AM

    Karasu -the only thing you’ll be mashing is boiled potatoes in the kitchen at HMP Durham -after you get nicked for incitement to riot. Fool.

  • 240 Santon03 // Nov 26, 2012 at 7:03 AM

    Btw, Does AP know or realize that his system is the problem not the players?

  • 241 Ginger // Nov 26, 2012 at 7:51 AM

    Why’s everyone saying Anita is class? He’s constantly making runs in to the box, and improves a tonne every game. Once he loses the ball he tries his hardest to get it back, he’s quality. Still needs to improve his strength a bit more, but he was by far our best player yesterday.

    It’s Pardew that annoys me, I over-reacted last night because I was just sick of losing, but the fact is nothing he does makes any sense. Look at his subs last night:

    Sammy on for Ferguson – Why? Sammy had an awful game on Thursday, whereas Marveux scored…

    Marveux on for Anita – Why? Anita was our man of the match and looked like the only person that was going to actually attack them, where as the highlight of Guttierez’s game was, oh wait… Nothing.

    Perch for Steven Taylor – This was the worst thing. Were getting beat two nill, there’s two minutes left. Heck, bring on Ranger, he might have just got us a goal. But he swaps CB’s? Why? What was that ever going to achieve?

    The more I see Williamson and Simpson the more I think they’re not up to standered. Hopefully we can replace them in January, I’m up for keeping them as sqaud players but I no longer think they should be in the first team, which is a shame as I like them both.

    Jonas on the other hand, I don’t know why everybody sticks up for him. I understand that he runs back and forth for us, but what the hell else does he do? Win us Free Kicks that we waste?

    Anyhow, team for Wednesday although it won’t be played.

    Krul
    Simpson-Collocini-STaylor-Santon (Maybe put Santon to RB and play Jonas LB)
    Perch-Tiote
    Marveux- Anita-Ba
    Cisse

    Why? Because Pardew insits on playing both Cisse and Ba so just put Ba on the left wing. Perch and Tiote are both dangerous tacklers, and Perch is composed on the ball so can shift it up to Marveux or Anita who can create something for Cisse. Ba can hold play up and do the same. Since Anita will be working further up the pitch it gives him the chance to make more runs in the box.

  • 242 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 26, 2012 at 8:02 AM

    Ginger – Saylor got injured. A hamstring injury I think.
    He might not play on Wednesday now.

  • 243 bills-son // Nov 26, 2012 at 8:10 AM

    Tiote was shocking yesterday. The total opposite of his first season with us. There was no aggressiion, no work rate, no passion. I think some of the players have got carried away by finishing 5th and being touted as £20M superstars. Tiote is one of them imo.

    This is the classic second season syndrome. Last season some of the squad were trying to prove they were very good players. They started this season thinking they were great because of the 5th finish. And they’ve stopped doing the hard running and effort that got us there. Big problems to solve quickly now for Pardew.

  • 244 WesJameson // Nov 26, 2012 at 8:16 AM

    Pathetic, to be honest…relegation battle, here we come!!

  • 245 WorJordi // Nov 26, 2012 at 8:18 AM

    I love my team. I am proud to be a Geordie. I know we cannot win every game. I am realistic enough to know we are not strong enough as a team/squad to challenge for the title or CL.
    BUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Come on Pardew show a bit of wisdom here. You can see as clearly as we all can that our system is crap and every team we play have sussed us before a ball is kicked.
    Grow a pair Pardew, have the guts to admit you are wrong and change the system.
    If you do not we WILL be in REAL TROUBLE come May.
    Oh and if you believe your job is safe as MA handed you an 8 year contract ………….Think again. He is a businessman and will think nothing of shifting you out. Which is what most people on here want.
    Time to grow a pair and get us out of the mess you and your tired system has got us into.

  • 246 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 26, 2012 at 8:18 AM

    Morning all,

    Well, what a sh*tt*r that was.

    Had a quick scan through comments, much what you’d expect. One did catch the eye though.

    Solano….You mention someone at the club has told you about unrest with the players and a lack of confidence in Pardew, much like Jimmy Magpie and that good fella Steve Wraith. How recent was this?

    As a team we’re seriously lacking fight, very disappointing to watch and they all need to get a grip on this a.s.a.p, that’s manager and players.




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