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Southampton vs Newcastle – Match Preview

10:46 am, Sunday, November 25th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 115 Comments

Southampton are second bottom the Premier League, so we would normally expect to get all 3 points today at St. Mary’s, but with Newcastle’s form of late being so poor, and with so many of our best players out injured or suspended, we’d be happy enough with a draw.

Both our French stars Ben Arfa and Yohan Cabaye are injured, and Fabricio Coloccini is serving the last match of his three game ban for being sent off at Liverpool, and he will be available for our next league game, on Wednesday night at Stoke City.

But the good news is that Jonas Gutierrez is fit again and James Perch is also in full training, and both could possibly start today.

And Papiss Cisse seems to have recovered from the knock on his thigh that forced him off in the disappointing 1-1 with Maritimo on Thursday night, although with the point, Newcastle qualified for the knock-out stages of that competition.

This is a crucial game today, make no mistake about that – and another defeat would be the third in a row in the league for Newcastle, and will certainly bring all the doom and gloomers out in full force this afternoon, and Tyneside will hardly be a happy place.

It’s difficult to know exactly what side Alan Pardew will start today, but we are again going to assume the Newcastle manager will play in a 4-5-1 formation, so we can get some control of the central midfield, and build from there.

This is a possible side that starts today at St. Mary’s:

Simpson Williamson Taylor (S) Santon
Marveaux Tiote Anita Gutierrez (c) Ferguson
Subs: Elliot Tavernier Perch Bigirimana Abeid Ameobi (Sa) Cisse

We admit this would mean a more defensive formation for Newcastle, but we cannot go into games and attack like we do and keep picking up defeats, and if we can solidify the center of midfield we’ll have a much better chance of getting the win today.

Some changes to that side could be putting Demba Ba in place of Anita, and having the Senegal striker play in a more withdrawn role, and have Papiss Cisse the lone striker up front, and we would then have the goal scoring abilities of both Senegal Internationals on the field – and we need goals today.

Some stats about this game – this is the 85th meeting between the two clubs, and the 73rd in the league, and the first league game between the sides since back in January 2005, although the sides met in February 2006 at St. James’ Park in the fifth round of the FA Cup, with Newcastle winning that game 1-0, with a Kieron Dyer goal, and we saw Kieron played yesterday at Old Trafford for QPR.

This is an important game today and win would be fantastic, and a draw would be a decent result.

Let us know how you think the game will go today, and it’s interesting at the time of writing,  that 57% of fans think we’ll lose at Southampton, and only about half that percentage think we’ll get the win.

A defeat would be very very hard to take, and since it’s my birthday today that couldn’t possibly happen.

Could it? 🙁

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115 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Super Magpie // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:50 AM

    I agree with him. But like you said, telling the players that they will be tired will just give them an excuse to not play well. And as for not hoping the squad is stretched in February; get on the phone to Llambias and Ashley and tell them you need players brought in and no f**king about either.

    I would seriously consider resigning if I was Pardew and was not allowed to bring in any players. I wouldn’t blame him either because I couldn’t work with those two in charge.

  • 2 Rob Hayes // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:53 AM

    Gotta play Perchinho in the middle next to Tiote, fergie and Marv on the wings, if we’re gonna win this we need to win the midfield battle, Ba playing just off Cisse and Get Santoon bombing forward

  • 3 Super Magpie // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:53 AM

    Happy Birthday Ed,
    Lets hope we can put in a good performance and win. It’s a very big ask though and we’ll be up against it from the off.

  • 4 jasper // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:55 AM

    On Thursday Maratimo, no better than a championship side, worked out that if they press us we give them the ball, either by losing it directly or via a hoof upfield
    Soton will know this and will look to get after us whenever we have the ball. They know that lack of ball retention is our Achilles heel.
    In the second half I counted only two occasions where we made 10+ consecutive passes – and on each occasion we created a good chance.
    So if we support the ball carrier, move the ball around and look for the opportunity to get a pass to feet in the box, or to get to the byline for a cross into the 6 yard box we will win. If we fall back on long balls and ambitious over optimistic dribbling with the ball (exciting but how many sorties by Santon have produced a goal?) then we will be stuffed.

  • 5 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    Right team today

    Anita willo Taylor santon
    Perch tiote
    Sammi Jonas marv

    If obertan is fit I’d hav him in there, n I would consider Nile ranger like him or hate him we need him

  • 6 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    Happy Birthday Ed, I hope you have a great one/

    Newcastle United….Go get them three points, pretty please.

  • 7 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:15 AM


    as little as guti does on the wings, (knowing he’s the first name on AP’s team sheet no matter what fans think) i’d switch him and marv. no way guti will provide what we need in the ACM role whereas Marv, if he’s on his game, MIGHT.

    also don’t like anita at RB either. if it were up to me i’d put perch in mike ‘how can i screw this up’ willo’s place and put the second dead-on on his team sheet simmo at RB.

    Ideally i’d like to have guti at LB, santon RB but that’s never gonna happen. otherwise, i like that team, and def agree about having Nile on the bench. no time for politics

  • 8 keeping the faith // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:16 AM

    I don’t buy this playing Thursday then Sunday when champions league teams play Wednesday then Saturday and you don’t hear them complaining. I hope for 3 points today but fear we will struggle again unless we pick our game up.

  • 9 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    Matty – I wouldn’t have Gutierrez in at all but I know pards will play him if fit

  • 10 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    Champions league teams all have much bigger squads in terms of quality. They can deal with it. We struggle.

  • 11 check the toastie // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    Really looking forward to seeing us loaf the ball forward from deep and being outplayed again. Pardew out. Two years and no progress in playing style.

  • 12 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    Another birthday lad!

    Ed…happy birthday 🙂

    Ibiza…did you ever figure out how to login at fantasy league without having to reset your password everytime?

    …try this link: or

  • 13 keeping the faith // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    Agree they have bigger squads but we can field 2 teams of 11 plus subs. The real problem is the calibre of players we have and the weakening of the squad in the summer. We do have a few injuries but champions league teams don’t field 1 team for midweek and 1 for weekend. I know we have no Messi or Ronaldos but they both played about 70 games and scored bucket loads of goals last season? We just aren’t playing good enough.

  • 14 magpie6699 // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    People putting Perchinho in your teams – I thought he was still out? If not, totally agree but I thought he was still a couple of weeks away?

  • 15 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:40 AM


    agree 100%, though if i did, he’d be at LB

  • 16 nezzatoonmad // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    if we want to win today i say 4-3-1-2
    or maybe a defensive, attacking formation
    what do you guys think???????

  • 17 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:42 AM

    Check –
    Nice, you look forward to us playing badly…
    Do you hope we will lose?

  • 18 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    keeping the faith

    don’t feel we weakened the squad at all in the summer

    i think our biggest mistake was letting guthrie go though. fair enough, we all thought with Anita’s arrival pards wanted to play a 433/4231 from the off. But Guthrie was incredible for us last year. I think if you took it at a game-by-game perspective, Cabaye definitely had more man of the match performances than Guthrie but as far as consistency, Guthrie beat him every time in my mind.

    I know a lot of folks didn’t like DG but, if pards doesn’t think Abeid or Inman’s ready (fair enough, they may not be) why get rid of your only other CM who is capable of creating something, much less without replacing him?

  • 19 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    Santon Taylor Willo fergie
    Marveaux tiote Anita Jonas sammy


    Bring ranger on about 70 minutes in a 442, see how he does.

  • 20 hazzy // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    pardew says even citehs squad would struggle in the europa league
    Has he noticed they’re undefeated in the league and play on wednesdays and saturdays which is the exact same time between games as us. pathetic excuse

  • 21 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:49 AM


    c’mon, man. you are usually level-headed. why ask a question that will only further incite division? no NUFC fan in their right mind wants to lose. Check’s been on here for awhile and he says a lot of things that are loaded, but it’s just frustration boiling over. Can you blame him either? Look at the man supposedly running the team….he’s talked to no end about the EL being such a burden, the injuries, suspensions, and all of it is simply building up towards a worst-case scenario where we lose today so his post-match comments are shored up with earlier excuses.

    i’d say, on both sides, let’s see what he does today. If we do lose and if it’s more of the same both form-wise and the excuses bandied about afterwards, he’ll deserve all the criticism he gets. If we lose and there was real effort on display, real team-play, i won’t criticize personally, but you’ve got to at least recognize where this frustration is coming from

  • 22 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    Hazzy – he said they would struggle with 11 senior injuries. Which they would.

    And they aren’t struggling?! They haven’t won a game in the champions league and are sitting rock bottom of be group.

  • 23 YorkshiresFinestGeordie // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    Wow, it’s unbelievable how much some people are up marveauxs ars* because he scored one goal. Would much rather try sa Ameobi on right than him, he’s never played good and will always only be a cup player for us. Btw, happy birthday ed 🙂

  • 24 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:56 AM

    Matty – I recognise where the frustration is coming from. I am also frustrated. I am as frustrated as anyone, but also recognise the burden that injuries, Europa, poor form etc are having on the team.

    Check Isn’t the first person I’ve noticed who’s starting to post things like that. You hear them pop up around Newcastle whenever we go through a rough patch, always saying things like that. It just gets really boring really quickly.

    As loads of people have said, we are going through a seriously unlucky patch, and we need to just buckle down and see it through. Comments like that, and people booing the team off the pitch and all the stuff like that are not helping anyone really.

  • 25 nezzatoonmad // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:56 AM

    are you mad with the stupid tactics you’ve used have you been watching the games? those tactics never work and never will. The set play what PARDEW uses is long ball to ba or cisse up front on there own and it hasn’t worked at all they can’t hold the ball up.

  • 26 DarloGeordie // Nov 25, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    A nice comfortable 3-0 win today is my prediction… Cisse will come good

  • 27 keeping the faith // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    We knew in the summer we needed reinforcements which we did not get. If u compare our squad to other squads, they have improved and we haven’t so our squad is weaker. And 11 first team players missing? The majority of our first choice 11 are available. These excuses don’t not explain why since our first game we’ve played poor and got worse.

  • 28 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:03 PM


    whereas you think it is an accumulation of the EL, injuries, etc, people like me see them as they are, yes, a burden, but it doesn’t explain why we’ve played awfully for nearly two years now (fair enough, first five months he didn’t have his own team so not his fault)

    i’m content now with taking this game-by-game though. He has my attention. now it’s up to him and his squad to turn it around

    and Yorkshire

    I don’t think Marveaux is the be all end all, personally, but what would you rather do? play 442 with two holding CMs again? No thanks, give the boy a chance to do SOMETHING for this club. Adversely i could say why are so many ppl stuck up sammeobi’s a**? in my mind he hasn’t done a damn thing to warrant inclusion in the starting 11. I hope it’s just a case of injuries persuading AP, but the kid needs to go on loan to L1 or the championship to hone his skills before he turns into a younger, lankier, more erratic version of his oldest brother.

    either way, we’re stretched and I’d take both of them today to prove their worth

  • 29 nezzatoonmad // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    spot on mate I’ve had this gut feeling that cisse will be amazing today and hopefully gets a hat-trick that would be a major boost to our moral and hopefully start kicking off the season on the high

  • 30 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    When will toon fans learn that if things aren’t going well the answer is not to sack the manager, constantly sacking the manager is why we never hav achieved anything as a club

    First mistake you lot are making is assuming bcoz we hav a 50.000 seater stadium that we should b up there battling for all trophies this isn’t the case were miles behind top clubs like Chelsea n man utd

  • 31 keeping the faith // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    I’m not saying Pardew out yet and I am willing to be more patient but fans have watched 15 home games this season, paid lots of money to do so to turn up and watch complete and utter dross?? They have a right to boo if they’re not happy. But I also think one comfortable win could change our season. Hope it’s today. 3-1 HWTL.

  • 32 shearer 9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:09 PM

    At the game today !!!! Gonna be a hard game

  • 33 bro56 // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:09 PM

    whats with all the rumors. more young players to add to the ‘potential pool’ we already have. how about signing someone that can get us points not pounds in the future.

    2-0 to S’ton

  • 34 bro56 // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    happy b’day Ed. hope the toon get a result for you..

  • 35 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:12 PM


    i think everyone agrees on stability. if youwere to ask me if i want AP gone, I’d say yes. I’m tired of his managerial style as well as most other facets he brings to the table

    on the other side, if you were to ask me if i think it would be best, i’d give a resounding f*** no. more turmoil, more pandaemonium, more player and fan unrest and the biggest thing: MA knows no bottom rung. I agree with his vision financially, but we all know that vision requires quite the the subservient manager. I’d think long and hard about the potentiality of someone like Steve Keane being brought in.

    that said, if this form continues all year, do it in the summer, cause i wouldn’t wanna watch this tripe for another year in the name of ‘stability’

  • 36 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    Matty – for me there is no way we as toon fans can judge how good players like marveux n amalfitano n abeid are at prem level bcoz we simply ain’t seen enough of them to have a proper opinion

    Take marveux we’ve seen have about 60mins in the prem all season, a bad 45mins at Everton n then we don’t see the lad again till the last 15mins v Swansea were for me he looked brilliant, the question is why haven’t we seen him he’s been fit all season, n he weren’t the only player to b bad in that 45 mins at Everton

    Amalfitano shows glimpse of pure class the few times I’ve seen him his pace his touchn he looks creative yet we ain’t seen him once its a joke

  • 37 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    What time is the game today?

    …1600 Wizard time? (I am feeling a bit under the weather today :()

  • 38 nezzatoonmad // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    i agree mate sammy hasn’t been impressive enough to start the first 11 and a loan would do him good, we have no good wingers except form HBA and i still think hes better use as a attacking midfielder and fergie seems hes improving bit by bit and could come a top class winger for use, obertan well what the hell were we thinking he hasn’t changed at all hes got great pace to run players but cannot seem to cross or cut inside to cause any threat

  • 39 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    Matty – agree to a certain extent on pardew but imo we don’t play long ball football anywhere near as much as the fans make out, we get it down n play a lot more than we have other the last 4/5 year, the problem is we lack the flair players to unlock defences, actually we don’t we have them in marveux n amalfitano but he never bloody plays them amalfitano benny n marv behind ba would b amazing

    I think ppl forget that fat Sam set us backs years with his style of play n were still suffering from it now

  • 40 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:20 PM

    When obertan starts we rarely lose fact

  • 41 obatoyou // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    Happy birthday Eddy!!! Sorry made a bet on Southampton, but will still be barracking for the lads, hey gotta bet smart 😉

  • 42 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:24 PM

    Fans go on about Pards paying long ball but all houghton did was get Barton to lump it to Carroll n Nolan

    Krul n Simpson n Williamson are the players to blame for long ball football Simpson n willo aren’t good enough with the ball at there feet so they just lump it long u can solve this problem by playing tav or Anita instead of Simpson, krul well his kicking is shocking n the amount of times santon n Simpson stand in space asking for the ball short n he tells team no n lumps it is a joke

  • 43 WWYCD // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:24 PM

    Right backing the lads for the 3 points today, fairly or unfairly I could care less.

    Points are needed, confidence is needed, fit hungry players are needed and a win is needed so howay lads put the saints to the sword.

  • 44 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    Jesper – yeah, 4pm wizard time.

  • 45 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    Simpson has made clear we don’t want him after this season, I think we should either convert Anita who looks better at rb or blood tavernier the only way the young players will improve is by playing at prem level

  • 46 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    Southampton worst defence in prem history at this stage of the season we should b winning no matter who plays

  • 47 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:29 PM


    I agree re Marveaux. I don’t think he was brilliant in his cameo v swansea, but he sure as hell was a sight better than everyone else bar santon and HBA.

    personally don’t buy it about Romain. Don’t think he’ll cut it. there’s nothing there for me. He works hard but hell, if i was given a chance in a toon shirt i don’t think there’d be anyone in the history of the club who worked as hard as me. doesn’t mean i can cut it.

    i think the biggest travesty (besides marvs being hauled off at half-time v everton. that still irks me personally b/c we were outplayed in every facet and in essence he alone takes the heat for it, not even 15 minutes in the second half to try to redeem what was one of our worst TEAM performances) is the deal with Abeid. I know it’s pretty split on the blog but even if he is frustrated, would you not be either? this is his second full season with us after receiving assurances he’d be involved in the first team last year. ok, maybe he isn’t up to standard yet, but i haven’t seen anything in the few times i’ve watched him that would suggest that.

    anyway, very VERY interested to see what our starting 11 is going to look like today. i’m pretty positive on paper it will read a 451. whether that’s what we actually play will be even more interesting.

  • 48 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    Thanks Wizard!

    …could you please brew me a ‘feel better’ potion 😀

  • 49 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    Im sorry DavyB but that is one of the silliest posts I’ve ever read.

    How can being top of the ‘hoofball’ leauge statisically not indicate to you how often we play the long ball.

    Chris Hughtons hands were tied due to the players at his disposal, he found the right tactics for the squad’s talents.

    Pardew does not.

    Also to blame Fat Sam for the current tactics is the stupidest thing I have ever read on this blog.

    He had 6 months in charge for god sake and there is perhaps 4 players still here from his time as manager.

    Fat Sam doesnt pick long ball, Pardew does.

  • 50 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:32 PM


    never thought i’d agree so much with you

    tavs should be in ahead of simmo imo. i don’t agree about anita though. he was bought to play DCM, he should play there. I think it speaks more to our style of play than him personally. He was the lynchpin for a very very technical and astute ajax team. you don’t become incompetent overnight.

    my evidence: first 35 minutes v Bordeaux. tiote, anita and cabaye all playing in a 3 man defence. it was the best stuff we’ve played all season before pards tweaked it

  • 51 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    Matty…a 3 man MF 😉

  • 52 Rotonda heights // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    I was really please when we qualified for the Europa league and was really looking forward to it but to hear pardew bleat endlessly on about is really stomach churning. We went out first round of whatever league cup they call it these days and played virtually a different team in Europe.

    Changing managers all the time hasn’t hurt Chelsea too much!!! On the continent coaches rarely get longer than 2 or 3 years before moving on. It’s the norm.

    First half against Maritimo I was really pleased wth the seeming change in tactics in formation and style.

    Some of the suggestions on here like playing Obi and Marv either side of Ba or amaltifano, benny and Marv behind Ba are mouthwatering and exciting but you just
    know it’ll be back to Cisse and Ba in a 442 again today
    and that is truly worrying when Pardew has had 20 games to try and force it to work without success.

  • 53 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    Anita – won the leauge as a DM in a 3 man midfield with Ajax. Bringing the ball out from the back and starting the attacks.

    Titoe – Won the leauge as a DM in a 3 man midfield with FC Twente. Breaking up play and stopping the opposition attacking.

    Cabaye – Won the leauge as a CAM in a 3 man midfield with Lille. Dictacting play, finding the pass and providing creativity from the centre of the pitch.


  • 54 solano // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    Davy…Fat Sam to blame? It’s always someone in the past to blame and then promises of jam tomorrow from you!
    We have been unlucky with injuries and Pardew is struggling at the minute, but you will not face the fact that the overall strategic plan at the club is immeasurably flawed in terms of football ambition. Pardews reluctance to play the players you mention may be a little pig-headed but I am willing to go with his choices as he is the manager of the year and I have seen very little to suggest they will be the key to a turn around.
    The reason we cannot compete with the bigboys is because we don’t want to and you and many other fans have no ambition. And by ‘bigboys’ I mean the Tottenhams and Liverpools who AP consistently reminds us are ‘bigger’ than us.
    I hope to God we get a win today to stave off all those who are calling for managerial change, but three points today will not change what I fear will be a downward trend because of incompetent football planning at the very top.

  • 55 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    Matty – I don’t think Anita is bad in dm I just think he looks great at rb, agree about Anita tiote cabaye v Bordeaux they were class, but yet again this brings back to what we were saying b4 we ain’t seen that bcoz pards picks jonas

  • 56 Rotonda heights // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:45 PM


    agree with you on a lot but we are top of the hoofball league. Sad but true and very believable the way we’ve played this season.

    I can’t abide allardyce but we can’t blame him 5 years on.
    A new manager comes in and stamps his own style within months not years. A Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup or Steve Clarke type would have us passing it in no time

  • 57 North Atlantic Magpie // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    Spot on Alan_Pard_Who!!

  • 58 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:47 PM

    Solano – we all want to compete the trouble is fans like you want it now now now, u ain’t got the patience to see a team b built, we will never win bcoz the fans will turn on any manager we hav b4 he gets to achieve anything

    Solano we don’t even come close to Liverpool on a global scale when will u lot realise this, Liverpool shirt deal is worth more a season than ours is over 4 seasons n u can’t work out why can’t compete 50,000 seater stadium doesn’t mean we should b top of the league

    Yea Ashly is to blame aswell we should of invested in the summer but we stood still

  • 59 Graeme // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:47 PM

    Solano –

    “. . . incompetent football planning at the very top”

    Is it really that good??

  • 60 Alan_Pard_Who // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    I really honestly believe if we had started the season with 4-5-1/4-3-3 we’d be top 6 right now.

    Yes this is all guess work and yes injuries have hampered us but the start of a season is vastly important to find shape, blend a team together and get points on the board to stop the mid season turning into a freefall.

    Pardew caved in to the demands of Ba rather than thinking of the good of the team and the tactics he has employed to keep Ba happy have been nothing short of terrible.

    Those of you sticking by Pardew and pinning the blame onto Ashley/Llambias are the same ones whoe were saying ‘we have enough depth’ as the window drew to a close, referencing Bigi, Tav, Sammy, Good, Campbell etc… as reasons for this.

    If we had played our strongest 11 from the start in a formation that suits the team we’d have one of these issues.

    Instead now we stand at the precipice of a decline so sharp we wont survive it if we fall.

    We shoulda, woulda, coulda. It’s pointless really I know but you have to question why?!

    Also Pardew talking about how hard Thursday/Sunday is… show me 1 european game where our strongest 11 has played 90 minutes and then a Sunday where that team has played agian.

    The team has enough rest between them to attack 2 competitions, it is purely an attempt to shift blame from the manager and team to the Europa Leauge.

  • 61 Spotlight Kid // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:49 PM


    Specsavers, mate! Hughton’s preferred method is to keep the ball on the deck and retain possession while pushing forward (check the goals scored etc). It was a joy to see the ball being worked out of defense rather than being hoofed. However, as APwho@48 correctly notes, Hughton also sensibly played to the teams strengths and the opposition’s weakness. If that required long ball in the mix then so be it.

    We saw some of both the slickest and most pragmatic football ‘total football’ under Hughton. He brought in HBA to enhance the former and Tiote to keep it grounded. His core team was the one keeping Pardew afloat until recently, when it needed serious strategic input which is clearly well beyond Ashley’s ‘Whinging One’.

    Nailed on draw, So’t’on aren’t going to upset anyone, even pathetic Pards…

  • 62 cestriasteve // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:50 PM

    On the subject of Marveaux, I felt that he was rushed back into the team this year, he has had a long history of groin trouble which has kept him out on 3 long spells, i thought he was brilliant in what little i saw of him last season and hope he can get up to the pace of the PL as he is a very special talent when match fit.

  • 63 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    @ Pard_whoo

    Exactly m8. Its the equivalent of having an Aston Martin sitting in the drive and then taking the bus to work every day

  • 64 xfer // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    Happy Birthday Ed! Have a good one! Cheers.

  • 65 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    U lot are having a laugh if u think houghton played better football than pardew

    Am also sick of ppl saying if we play this formation n that formation use your eyes ffs we have played every formation possible this season sometimes 3 different formation in 90mins, we just ain’t played well all season n players are to blame as much as pardew, he’s using the same tactics n players u were all happy with last year, now we’ve hit a bad spell of form you’ve all turned what a surprise

  • 66 Ian Toon // Nov 25, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    Solano- Thank you for your thoughtful response to my post. Rest assured I don’t have you in the flip flop flaky fan camp. I have long thought that we both want the same things for the club. It’s just the means that are different. You are wrong though to chide Tsunki because there is a correlation between financial stability and success
    on the field. The only question is which comes first a sort of chicken and egg issue. Being a methodical type I like a plan and I’ll love it, just love it when it comes together.
    On your knowledge and history of the club point, I grew up learning from my grandfather of the Hughie Gallacher inspired 1927 League winning side . My father covered the winning the FA Cup 3 times in
    5 years in the 1950’s and Fairs Cup in 1968. Kids like to be associated with winners. Why else would i have become a fan! I also have my first recollection of football at SJP in our first game in the PL a defeat to Spurs 1-0 following a Sheringham goal. Hope I qualify. Knowledge is power at any age. Well I’ve got a game to help win. Enjoy.

  • 67 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    Come on then ppl who’s gonna put the crosses in after all this amazing build up play your talking about ill tell you no one we’ve no one that can cross a god damn football
    Ferguson maybe he wouldn’t even b in most ppl starting 11

  • 68 Novocastrian66 // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    Don’t fancy our chances today. If we lose we will be down amongst the dead men this season. We do not want to have to rely on circumstances to keep our heads above the relegation pack. In our relegation season there were consistently poor ref decisions that contributed to our downfall. We need to find some form and quickly.
    Lose today and Southampton are only 3 points behind us.
    Pressure is on.

  • 69 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    @67 n if we win we can go as high as 8th so how bad is it really Infact we could b top 6 by wed nyt if results go our way

  • 70 colwell // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    Pards said on SSN that with the players we have today we will have to try and grind out a result and thats not really our style.

    WTF the reason we did so well last year is because of it, that and hoofball are our main tactics.

    Pards needs to step back, stop giving pointless excuses and get on with it. Does he think we are all blind, the excuses he gives points to yes.

  • 71 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:06 PM


    speaking for myself, i was never a fan of the football on display last year either. injuries, suspensions and lack of an obscene amount of luck has taken its toll

  • 72 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:10 PM

    Colwell we have about 3 players missing who would start normally so that excuse pisses me off from pardew

  • 73 solano // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:10 PM

    Alan Who?…not all those blaming MA and Del now were saying we were well equipped back in the summer. You hint at their fickleness, but maybe they have just learned to listen, read and comprehend what is going on in the big picture.
    I think the ‘plan’ has actually come to an end now we are re-invented in Ashley’s business mould. I really would like to see a team built as DavyB suggests but Ap or indeed anyother manager will not be given the resources to build one worthy of the fantastic support the club still receives. More likely it will be a project that never ends in footballing achievement but always guarantees generation of income
    Sacking a more than competent manager to place faith in decision makers who know nothing about football is about as crazy as paying for a ten year season ticket!

  • 74 colwell // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:14 PM


    Exactly against teams like Saints we should not need to grind out results.

    He makes excuses before the balls been kicked.

  • 75 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    Matty – suspensions n injuries have hit us bad, not mention the players that are fit are not performing anywhere near the standard they did last season
    Yes pardew isn’t blame less in our form his constant changing of formations n well playing players who don’t deserve a place ie Jonas n cisse but also the players are as much to blame we all kno they can play better than they are regardless of how pards sends them out to do it

  • 76 Novocastrian66 // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    Davy. Love your optimism, but can you really see us winning two away games in a row when we couldn’t beat two teams, who I would have expected to finish below, us at home?

  • 77 toonking // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    from what some ppl are coming out with today i dout they know much about football i may be in my twenties but know lots of situations simular to ours that prove why pardew is not to blame and should not be sacked.
    for instance SAF had an auful first five year and fans wanted him sacked but thankfully the owners give him one more year and that extra year has made him the greatest manager ever
    look at stoke and fulham both teams had poor years in the premier league when in the europa league
    look at liverpool this season they have a manager who loves passing yet still they in the bottom half of the table
    think back to when we sacked the great sir bobby robson we dropping like a waterfall every year sacking managers and move further and further down the table.

    in real life football the manager of newcastle can only pick the team and formation he can’t control the players movement that is only done on fifa for the computer

  • 78 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:19 PM

    Solano – you don’t pay for your season ticket upfront for the full ten years, u do it season by season n u can opt out after first season so how crazy is it really? Not very crazy to me

  • 79 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:20 PM

    Toonking – finally someone talking sense n not thinking they are playing football manager

  • 80 catchy in norway // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:20 PM


    ferguson would be in every one of my teams i picked out of our current sqaud

    he is the only one who can put a good ball into the box,, he reminds me of kieth gilespie,
    id even try santon on the right side as a winger, i feel this could be his best position,

    id have simpson and jonas as LB+RB

    and id be saying get that ball into the box as much as you can

  • 81 catchy in norway // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    why do pppl keep compairing alex ferguson with pardew

    sir al attacks other teams , pardew defends,,

    today i fear a humiliation

  • 82 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:26 PM

    Haven’t even bothered looking through some of the comments because I know that it will probably be more negative than positive.

    We can only look to the next game and that next game is today. Results haven’t went our way but we can only hope for more from today’s game.

    I’d settle for a poor performance as long as we get the 3 points but let’s forget our pro-Pardew or anti-Pardew allegiances and get behind the lads and hope they do the business.

    Can’t spell Newcastle United without United eh? Sorry that was ridiculously cheesy 😀

  • 83 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:29 PM


    if you’d read most of the comments you’d see most people are putting that aside today and just hoping and praying for a win

  • 84 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    IMO the main complaint from NUFC supporters is that we should be playing a lot better football with the caliber of players we have in the squad. Some people will say “oh you have to blame the players not the manager” and this is true on occasion and all footballers have a bad day or two over the course of a season, but other than a handful of games under Pardew we have been distinctly average at best.

    A blind man could see we concede so much posession by the back four lumping the ball up field only for it to fall straight into the oppositions hands and what gets me is it is such an easy fix. As a die hard fan of football and not just NUFC it is a crime that we have the likes of BA,Cisse,Cabaye,Anita,Tiote,Collo & Santon but fail to outplay the likes of West Ham under Allardyce at home. Steve Clarke is showing at West Brom it is not the players you have but how they are set up to play and would anyone in WBA’s team get into ours ? .

    Rant over, HOWAY THE LADS 🙂

  • 85 solano // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:32 PM

    Nice one, Ian Toon @65…though we didn’t actually win the Fairs Cup until 1969…the same year Man landed on the Moon and discovered it wasn’t made of cheese.
    It will be so devastating for some when they realise our mythic plan to reach for the stars is actually more like that film about a fake Mars mission with O J Simpson in it ….Capricorn One.

  • 86 Spuggy // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:33 PM

    We lost collo tiote and ba for a spell last year and the wheel fell off. Cisse gave us 5th place with form that comes along once every three-four years. We have insufficient depth and experience.

    At times this season we could have done with a Nolan or a Barton – tiote and arcs can’t drive the team in their own

  • 87 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:33 PM

    Big papiss we beat WBA

  • 88 Spuggy // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:35 PM


  • 89 Rotonda heights // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    Big papiss

    I think you’ve expressed it very well how a lot of people feel. We probably have some of the best players we have ever had right now.


    WBA are 3rd playing great football with no big names at all.

  • 90 toonking // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    can’t you read, i said fans wanting him to be sacked when he first was made the manager as they were poor esspecially in 1988/9 not compare to how they are now
    1987/8 2nd GF71 GA 38
    1988/9 11th GF45 GA 35
    1990/91 6th GF58 GA 45
    1991/92 2nd GF 63 GA 33
    1992/93 1st GF67 GA 31

    so basically fergusons starting era is like pardews now the currant ferguson style is how pardew will be if he managers to stay that long.

  • 91 Rotonda heights // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:39 PM


    pardew is nearly 52 now. He’s leaving it a bit late to compare with fergie!!!

  • 92 jimiley // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    We should win this game comfortably now that Jonas is back. He never stops running. Great for the defence and his creativity will supply the bullets for the forwards to fire. His strike rate is a bit disappointing mind you. 3 -1 to Toon. Possibly more.

  • 93 toonking // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    well ferguson was in his lat forties rotonda

  • 94 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:42 PM


    are you trying to wind up about jonas?? 🙂

  • 95 jimiley // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    Cannot see how you would want to compare Pardew with Fergie. Chmpagne and stale beer. Pardew has never lasted more than two years at a club. Wonder why? He should consider himself lucky and will get multi millions when he does get tin tack. 8 year contract????? Some guy at Chelsea won the Champ League and got the sack 5 months later. If Pardew did that he would get an 80 year contract off Mr Ashley.

  • 96 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    Rotonda you don’t need big names to do well u just need good players technically, that’s what WBA, Swansea n Wigan have technically good players who are comfortable with the ball no matter what that’s why all 3 of them teams play good football, then we have Simpson, willo n Jonas who has the touch of an elephant

  • 97 jimiley // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    Are you kidding? He is the capt and first name on the team sheet. He is a top player and should be around for many more years driving the team upwards.

  • 98 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    Jimily – yea Jonas runs that’s all he does

  • 99 toonking // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:47 PM

    but who cares what age he is the main thing i am pointing out is patience is needed managers coming to a new team is no differant to a fottball player joining a new team think of colocini he had a poor start to his toon career yet now is up there with the best in the premier league look at arsenal the manager who won the title with arsenal now has to use top 4 as the target why is that well because like newcastle they can’t spend much money as they wasted too much on a new stadium.

  • 100 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:48 PM


    somewhere in the back of last year jonas just lost ‘it’. he can’t cross so he’s not supplying those ‘bullets’ you speak of, and he can no longer draw a foul the way he used to whilst retaining possession with 2 or 3 defenders on him. those were his assets. now all he has is his workrate, which is second to none but that’s all he’s got left in his locker

  • 101 nick_9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:51 PM

    Sarcasm at its finest right there. Envious watching Swansea today and west brom yesterday. They are certainly good at what they do.

    If we lose today we are in a right mess. 14 points from 13 games is unacceptable. On our day we can beat them but its going to be tricky. Little bit unsure on what midfield he can pick

  • 102 AlwaysTOON // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    Happy birthday ED! We will win today, maybe not impressively, but we get the result! Trust me 😉
    Anyways, is Nile Ranger a sub today?

  • 103 AlwaysTOON // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:53 PM


  • 104 toonking // Nov 25, 2012 at 1:58 PM

    everyone who is lost with ferguson pardew comparison listen
    the board still stood by him and so therefore he has now become a excellent manager
    so basically it is the FIRST 3 year of the ferguson manchester era that i am using to describe the pardew backing the rest of the fergie era is wait and see and not based on pardew winning the league but rather being a constant top 6

  • 105 mattnufc // Nov 25, 2012 at 2:02 PM

    We don’t want Pardew out, just to reassess and to up his game.

  • 106 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 2:02 PM

    Simpson willo Taylor santon
    Anita tiote Jonas
    Cisse ba ferguson

  • 107 davybtoon // Nov 25, 2012 at 2:03 PM

    Ranger on the bench

  • 108 colwell // Nov 25, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    I have never seen Enrique attack so much like he has today

  • 109 solano // Nov 25, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    Shout louder toonking!
    I don’t want to see AP gone but the comparison is very tenuous given the respective records of the managers beforehand and the relative resources put at their disposal by the clubs in the time period you are talking about.

  • 110 mattnufc // Nov 25, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    Simspon, Willo, Jonas, Ferguson..will be a long afternoon.

  • 111 mattyNUFC // Nov 25, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    just saw the line up

    what a joke

  • 112 niafron // Nov 25, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    Bonjour messieurs.

  • 113 nick_9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    Colwell is Enrique playing left winger and
    Downing left back? Most of the time Enrique is higher up the field than Suarez, hardly plying full back in this game. Did you see his goal? I thought he was on so it was a great call by the linesman

  • 114 nick_9 // Nov 25, 2012 at 2:16 PM

    Suarez is playing as the lone striker but is always getting support off sterling and Enrique

  • 115 thebionicMAG // Nov 25, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    West Ham Swansea ans now Southampton. We are in free fall against poor to average sides. By the time Wigan Fulham and Man City are through with us make no mistake we are going to be in a relegation battle

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