Alan Pardew Worried About This Aspect Of Newcastle’s Play

Southampton have leaked more goals in the league than any other side this season – and had conceded 30 goals before they got their first clean sheet yesterday, when they won 2-0 at the expense of a poor Newcastle side.

Papiss Cisse and Demba Ba – don’t complement each other up front

And in the last four league games, in which we have collected only a single point at Liverpool, Newcastle have scored only two goals, and that;s with both Papiss Cisse and Demba Ba in the side, and we seem to have very little creativity this season, compared to our barn-storming run last season in the league.

And Alan Pardew has pinpointed the lack of goals and the lack of chances created as being a particular concern:

“Up until they had scored, we didn’t really have too many clear cut chances ourselves. That is a worry for us.” “I think it is hard at the minute for us. The intensity of the home performance was causing us problems.”

“We were trying to be positive and trying to put some confidence into the group, but the first goal hurt us.” “We deserved to be beat. We can’t really hold our hands up and say that we deserved anything.”

“We’re in that sort of zone where nothing is really falling for us; clearances went straight to them and they hit us on the break. It was a tough day.”

Alan Pardew may have to change the system a bit, because whenever we have Papiss Cisse and Demba Ba up front, they seem to be a waste, and when Shola Ameobi returns – he would be better strike partner to either of the Senegal strikers, because he offers something a little different, but the two Senegal men are too similar in their play.

Maybe it’s even time to try a 4-3-3 system – because we cannot do too much worse than we’ve already done over the last four league games, which have seen us fall significantly in the league table.

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24 comments so far

  • Indian Magpie

    Nov 26, 2012 at 8:46 AM

    Comment #1


  • roshan MAGPIE

    Nov 26, 2012 at 8:50 AM

    Comment #2

    we must stop hoofball then everything will be right

  • Rotonda heights

    Nov 26, 2012 at 8:52 AM

    Comment #3

    It’s all very reminiscent of Souness. The increasingly bizarre excuses.

    the only way ba and cisse ever worked was 433 where ba played out left.

    Now if pardew has promised Ba he can play centrally, that is a very dangerous precedent for any manager to give to a player.

    To be fair Ba deserves to play centrally given his goal return, but why ditch 433? It’s been a disaster since the end of last season and in over a third of this.

    Cisse can’t play wide left in front 3 so you put him on
    the bench as an impact sub and put marv, Obi, fergie, sammi or amaltifano out wide left and play cabs or for now abeid advanced.

    I thought that was the quick easy fix that pardew has so stubbornly ignored. But there is something more worrying than that now. The fire and passion has disappeared competely and very much resembles the west ham team in Pardew’s 2nd season there with ”tevezgate”

    Maybe ashley might not be as patient as we think. He didn’t like allardyce’s style and this is worse.

  • fergies left foot

    Nov 26, 2012 at 8:53 AM

    Comment #4

    i know you shouldn’t but i cant help to think that we would have been in fifth place i we would have won three very winnable games.. oh well.

    I think our system is to blame (along with poor cover). We won 7 games in a row with 4-3-3 and now we have lost three in a row with 4-4-2. what to do? It’s not really rocket science, is it. Put Ba/Cisse on the bench or Ba on the left and take it from there. If they dont like it, move them out. Seriously, not even stoke plays a straight 4-4-2 nowadays.

    Team for wednesday:




  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Nov 26, 2012 at 8:54 AM

    Comment #5

    It is not just about changing striker partner since we don’t create chances; we need to address that!

    Another aspect we need to address is Pardew’s incisive infatuation with playing two forwards side by side. Very old school very ineffective – especially when we don’t create any chances.

    A third problem that needs to be addressed the fact that we seem to give away possession way to much and that we don’t seem to be able to be dominant in defense – which begs the question why are we still playing with two forwards side by side when we clearly lack presence in MF?

    Last by not least, why do we insist on wanting to have wingers who have to cross the ball? Our forwards are not winning the ball and not scorring; our wingers cannot cross! I is not a crime to change our approach and our tactics – it is actually a requirement at this point!

  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Nov 26, 2012 at 8:55 AM

    Comment #6

    * dominant in MF

  • jimiley

    Nov 26, 2012 at 8:59 AM

    Comment #7

    I am totally behind Pardew. This run of form is just a blip. We need to be patient. Rome was not built in a day. He got us 5th last season and there is no reason why we cannot achieve something similar as long as we keep the faith in the team and Pardew. Time to panic in March if we are still playing the same way. We should give the manager some slack and judge him in March or May. Even if we go down, Pardew is here to stay so you had better all get used to the idea. Big Mike is not going to give him an 8 year deal and sack him a few months later. Mike would look a tool. Why would Mike give a guy an 8 year contract who has never lasted more than two years anywhere else. Lots of conspiracy theories no doubt but the one about Pardew being a great manager worth 8 years is not one of them. How about Pardew is a mate and when Big Mike sells, the new owner will have to pay Pardew a fortune to get rid of him. A mate looking after a mate? No way Big Mike will sack Pardew. Cost would be astronomical. Back room staff as well will have to go and they are on stupid contracts as well. So we must get behind the manager and the team. Keep the faith in Alan.

  • Indian Magpie

    Nov 26, 2012 at 8:59 AM

    Comment #8

    we are dropping like a stone. if i were pardew, i would try and stop this landslide first and go for a draw may be a 532 with perch in CD.

    we all know he is not going to drop Vice captain Jonas.

    so jonas, anita and tiote in CM

    Ba and cisse

  • Rotonda heights

    Nov 26, 2012 at 9:00 AM

    Comment #9


    you said something very profound yesterday, along the lines of if people can’t see the problems how can we start to fix them.

    I said to Ibiza and others that pardew’s track record has been 1 good season followed by a bad one and so it is proving. Consistently inconsistent. You need a manager who can build on a platform.

    Hughton did that for pardew and ironically is probably now a better long term bet. Pardew has done his best but to get to another level you need plan B , C and D!!
    442 route 1 is pardew’s bag and he’s been found out.

    When you’re 14th it’s bad playing good football, but when you’re playing this dogs..t every week there’s only so much you can take.

    Alway support the club but supporting the manager as well aren’t mutually exclusive.

  • Indian Magpie

    Nov 26, 2012 at 9:01 AM

    Comment #10

    we will be relegated in march if we keep playing this way. better be proactive than reactive.

  • ash1001

    Nov 26, 2012 at 9:02 AM

    Comment #11

    Ed – what does Shola offer that is different?

    We have had 12 years of Shola yet to see what he offers other than keeping the medical staff busy., and from what I have seen up to now Sammi is not going to offer much more unfortunately, the same can be said of the rest of the squad players, reality is real, we are not good enough, forget the excuses that just allows Pardew to worm his way out.

  • yorkymag

    Nov 26, 2012 at 9:02 AM

    Comment #12

    If the players are so fed up ,I am not sure the formation will make a difference,a number seem to have stopped playing for the manager.
    Ashley may have to make a really tough call for ,that he had not anticipated
    Whilst we can scream and shout the chances of us getting what we want are unlikley
    If the players collectively decide change is nessecary then it will happen

  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Nov 26, 2012 at 9:03 AM

    Comment #13

    Has Pardew not noticed that the Senegalese manager vary rarely starts with both Ba and Cisse. Must be a reason.

    And if the rumours are true he has lost the dressing room then shit we’re in big trouble

  • jeff

    Nov 26, 2012 at 9:04 AM

    Comment #14

    ok i think it is honestly time pardew builds the team around ben arfa. he needs to accept that ben arfa is our most valuable player and is our messi / ronaldo. if ben arfa wants to leave in january, i will be heartbroken and if he moves to arsenal i might even begin supporting them.

    the reality is ben arfa is leagues ahead of any of our other players and needs to play in a position that suits him best. in my opinion, this is our best line-up:

    simpson – saylor – colo – santon
    —————– tiote
    ——- anita — cabaye – marveaux
    —————– BENNY
    —————– ba

    ba > cisse because he holds up the ball better and plays better with his back against the goal. ben arfa and ba are also good friends so should link up nicely. reasonably flat midfield three with tiote cleaning up the scraps. anita and marv are both capable of playing in the centre letting our wingers push up. maybe marv would be better on the other side as marv + santon seems a bit fragile defensively.

    ben arfa needs to play the 10 role and he is the key to anything we will achieve this season

  • Les Grossman

    Nov 26, 2012 at 9:07 AM

    Comment #15


    “I said to Ibiza and others that pardew’s track record has been 1 good season followed by a bad one and so it is proving. Consistently inconsistent. You need a manager who can build on a platform”

    So he got the backing he asked for to build upon this platform did he?

  • WorJordi

    Nov 26, 2012 at 9:09 AM

    Comment #16

    If we lose on Wednesday then watch MA.
    He is no fool. He will scythe AP’s legs as soon as look at him.
    If what Yorkymag states is true, it will not be long before we are looking for a new manager.
    Everyone can see this system is sh-t and if we can so can the players.
    I reckon he’s got 3 days or he’s a dead man walking as far as his job is concerned.

  • yorkymag

    Nov 26, 2012 at 9:14 AM

    Comment #17

    Not looking forward to the trip to stoke ,when I got the tickets was expecting to be on the back of three wins and pushing the top foure
    What a dreamer
    I fear the worst could be a real blood bath particularly with the way stoke play ,the one thing for certain they will be smelling blood

  • ryan24

    Nov 26, 2012 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #18

    We have to be the exception to the rule. Keep stability and dont sack the manager at the first sign of trouble.

    Ive had all of my red and white friends telling me that we were lucky last season, but i find it very hard to believe that we managed a whole season on luck alone.

    Obviously something that was there before is lacking now, for me its tactics. To try and incorporate both ba and cisse we are compromising tactics that worked very well for us last season. They are 2 almost identical players which is visible when they make the same runs (more often into each other), it has to be ba starting and cisse benched simply becuase hes scoring and cisse isnt.

  • Ian Toon

    Nov 26, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    Comment #19

    How about factoring into the thought process flaky flip flop fans who are temperamentally unsuited to supporting the team during difficult times. Confusion and panic reigns within these couch potatoes but they still feel able to offer tips on football management. Disparaging aside, the type of fans who already are considering switching allegiance. They’re understandably reluctant to commit support to Sunderland just yet. It’s so easy to pour scorn on bloggers who think that the answer to all our ills is to start playing the kids in a 4-3-3 formation. We’ve got a small squad decimated this season by injuries and suspensions. The manager wanted to recruit in the summer and the owner will want to protect his investment by spending in the coming window . We need to dig in with points being more important than style of play. Negativity weakens the mind and spirit. For every Ibiza
    there are Catchy’s, Rotonda and the callow mattyNufc. Hand on heart
    I wonder who these three want to win when we play Stoke. I find this innocent candour rather endearing. It’s easy to claim to be a realist, try becoming a proper supporter. Not the flaky flip flop variety.

  • Ian Toon

    Nov 26, 2012 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #20

    Tunski- good point on canvassing . Why does Catchy post everything twice!

  • ArtyH

    Nov 26, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #21

    Will be interesting to see who turns up for the Stoke game, player wise I mean. We are so down on confidence at this time, a draw would be a good result to steady the ship. A couple of months ago I would have expected a win.

  • barry_ben_arfa

    Nov 26, 2012 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #22

    we can’t play this entire system just to stop Ba from leaving. let him leave, go back to last seasons tactics with Sammy out left

  • Munster Mag

    Nov 26, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #23

    Ian, I’ve travelled all over England with NUFC when I lived there and would be at all home games and some away if I lived in Newcastle. I still want ius to hang with Pardew and see where we go. However people like Catchy make plenty of detailed arguments , just like yer man Toon banno ( Irish guy aswell i think ) about Pardew, substitutions, tactics, motivation etc, and he’s open to a lot of criticism. At the end of the day, I’ve made my point on Ashley many times, but how much blame do you apportion to Pardew yourself. Some would argue ( fairly ) that we had mre than enough quality on the pitch to hurt Saints but we didnt lay a glove on them. Thats is Pardew’s fault, and the players. And we thought we had gotten rid of the prima donna’s ? Did you see Ba’s attitude, and “warrior” Tiote? A joke. So how much do u attribute to Pards??

  • AJepson93

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    Comment #24

    @Jimiley – 7..
    Totally agree, these are difficult times at the minute but we need to get behind Pardew and the lads!..


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