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Newcastle One Point Better Off Than Relegation Season

12:23 pm, Monday, November 26th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 154 Comments

After 13 games played in the 2009-2010 season, which saw us finally be relegated, we had 13 points from our first 13 games, and even though pundits said we were too good to go down in that season, we were relegated from the Premier League for the first time in our history.

Yohan Cabaye - when will this man return to action?

And our latest slump has seen Newcastle on only 14 points from the 13 league games we have played so far this season, and that’s just one point better off than we were four years ago, when the club went through so much turmoil.

Newcastle is much more stable these days, thank goodness, and much better prepared for the challenge we now face to pull ourselves up the league table.

This is what Alan said today, in a number of interviews he has given, after Newcastle have gained a single point from their last four league games in a terrible slump:

“If we get to January and we’re in a vulnerable position, where we are now or lower, then we’re going to need to have a little bit more thought about how we’re going to go forward.

“We’re talking about West Ham putting a big puncture in our season. If we’d have won that game, we’d have been in the top six.

“Then we had massive blows before Swansea with Papiss Cisse being withdrawn and Yohan Cabaye’s injury. I’m not going to get too down about it at the minute.

“I still believe in this side. I still believe it’s a very good side when I put it out there. But the guys who are in and around the squad need to step up now and prove they’re good enough.”

Next up is Stoke City on Wednesday, and there’s no doubt that our next win, which we hope will come as soon as possible, will take immense pressure off the side and the players, and that will help the lads regain their confidence.

One final thought – we wonder how long it will be before Yohan Cabaye can return from his groin operation?

The sooner the better,  so we can get more class into the Newcastle line-up, and we already know Ben Arfa will be back within a couple of weeks from his slight hamstring strain.

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154 responses so far ↓

  • 1 G // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    One point better off, but playing at least 4 points worse in my opinion.

  • 2 rainrix // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    ….And still putting the blame on the squad! Come on pards just accept a little responsibility and we can all move on :)

  • 3 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    G

    I think mark hughes did well at blackburn and fulham, just didnt get the best from QPR and man city.

    He might be the type of manager who does well with players he already has and building slowly but struggles to knit together a bunch of players who all arive at once.

  • 4 G // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    Incidentaly, has anybody hear if Steven Taylor is out injured with the Hamstring? Or was his withdrawal a precaution?

  • 5 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    Sounding like a beaten spiv.

    To merely match CHs opening 16 game points tally, which resulted in him been sacked, the team has to gain 5pts from the next 3 games.

  • 6 G // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    TS, you could say Hughes did incredibly well with Wales at international level too? I still wouldn’t want him running my club mate.

  • 7 alex84 // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    Rotanda – agreed, we do need extra bodies (quality) to help this paper thin squad, But we need the style of play and Pardew has to really look at himself as a coach and admit his style of direct football has been found out! he needs to try and get with the times and modern day football as he has turned us into a predictable boring BIG Sam team.

    What I can’t understand is he talks of controlling the game, now how can he bang on about that on and on, when we dont keep possession of the ball , not because we cant but because Pardew wants the transition from defense to attack in one long direct pass to the forward, which then turns possession to 50-50 which we lose coz we can’t hold the ball up, We need to link up the play all round the pitch.

  • 8 mattyNUFC // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    repost (thanks to transfer sage who has simply confirmed the inevitability that HBA has suitors lining up in January)

    us labelled pessimists brought up that without a good season this year, right now, we stood the very real chance of losing some of our best players

    it seems to be unfolding that way. ok, we didn’t get the investment we all wanted, what a lot of us felt was requisite to keep us punching with the big boys, but it’s a bit comical how it’s all unravelling now

    i think i’m cracking. I really don’t think i can stand AP too much longer, but his sacking wouldn’t resolve anything. the owner will not change so we need a real, actual, experienced MD and a manager with a set of f****** balls to stand up to him and the owner and say ‘look, this is what we need’

    to all nufc fans buying the excuses about the injuries and suspensions that pards has been spewing for weeks: don’t you ever forget he was as happy as anyone on deadline day not to ‘lose anyone’ at the last minute, and that our squad was well-equipped to deal with the demands of four competitions

    i still believe that, he’s the one that doesn’t all of a sudden

  • 9 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:33 PM

    Scary stuff

  • 10 mattyNUFC // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    G

    think he’s out for a few weeks

  • 11 seancavaz // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    Repost:

    What’s noticeable is panic and heads dropping….now whether that’s confidence or something else who knows, but the average players are just that ATM and our star players just don’t appear to be interested, again why? Who knows. There needs to be a realisation soon though, that unless we pull our socks up and man up then a season of promise could well be a disaster. 442 just doesn’t suit us, the players we have are technically good, yet the need to panic and punt the ball to the front two, neither of whom could trap wind ATM, is frightening! A solid 3 in centre mid surely had to be the answer, even if its just to get a foot hold of a game, pass n move, once we can hold the ball, then these short passes and confidence surely will come back into the game, meaning the opposition running around wasting energy and creating holes for our players to exploit. Another note, Krul has been poor, again is that confidence or too much gone to his head, knowing if he plays crap he’ll still be picked? Maybe drop him for stoke and give him a reality check? N Williamson, he’s played so much, and all credit to him, but it’s starting to show, ball watching, loose passes, I mean stoke are going to pepper our box all game, are you confident the panic clearances are gonna go? At stoke maybes introduce a sweeper? Williamson and perch with colo sweeping? Who knows, but Pardew if you’re reading this, and I’m leaving myself open to insult, I trust you will get the best out of what we have and things will turn around….lets just hope it’s sooner rather then later

  • 12 G // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    Thanks Matty.

  • 13 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    matty

    I have just confirmed rumours…not confirmed that he will be off in jan or that even an officialy bid will be made…so no need to panic at all.

    G

    why don’t you like mark hughes? i’m just curious.

    Alex

    I think we need to follow spurs or everton’s model. If Ashley wont spend a lot of money in the summer out of his own or the clubs bank (which is fair enough) he needs to look at selling a player to fund another 2/3/4 and trust carr’s judgement.

    Spurs have done it with berbatov, carrick and modric

    Everton with lescott and rodwell.

    And before people complain, I have always advocated this….get players cheap, on long contracts, sell if a very good offer comes in (like carroll) and strengthen right away…not a season or 2 later so you can save 1 or 2 million

  • 14 mattyNUFC // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:39 PM

    TS

    ok, maybe i should have said rumour, but any NUFC would be deluded to think there won’t be real offers either in january or in the summer

    he deserves so much more than we can give him right now, and that’s the really sad bit

  • 15 G // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    Fair question TS. I think tactically MH is still very naive, and his management style reminds me very much of Kenny Dalglish (i.e. Football has changed since his playing days, but his tactics and formations haven’t). The big reason I don’t want him though is quite simple. Its gut feeling, just the unexplainiable feeling that he would be completely the wrong man for the job for us.

  • 16 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    G

    Fair enough. I think he is a good manager in terms of gettin the best out of average/good players but struggles with top players.

  • 17 check the toastie // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    Wish people would relax, its all about Stability, 8 more years, wooohooooo.

    I think Pardew is a good motivator of players iniitially and thats why they give him everything for a while, however he lacks any vision in how he wants his team to play, Bringing Shola on every time we need a goal, just proves that his PlanB is always go long from back to front quickly.

    I think the players have sussed him out as being a charlatan, and full of shit basically. And he has clearly lied to a number fo them on how he likes the game to be played,

    The constant preference of Raylor and Sammy over BenArfa was unreal last year, and ity wasnt resolved until Raylor got injured. The good football we played was despite Pardew not in anyway because of him.

    Totally Clueless, check out his CV if you want evidence.

  • 18 check the toastie // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    And yes, i wouldnt actually blame BenArfa for leaving if there was an offer, currently he is being let down by the manager regards his role in the side (Simpsons Babysitter), and how the manager is setting up the team.

    Love the lad, he is responsible for the best 2 individual goals i have ever seen at St James Park, also witnessed by my young un, Good luck Benny were ever you take your undoubted brilliance.

  • 19 G // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    ctt, it’s just a rumour mate, besides, I heard the same rumour all summer long, and nothing happened.

  • 20 ShaveyD // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    Cut and pasted from Sky Sports Football.

    This lad has it bang on.

    bobbybee says November 25, 2012 8:00pm

    This is quickly turning into a frightening situation. Thought it couldn’t get worse, but it has. Can’t pass, can’t shoot, can’t tackle, no movement and confidence totally shot at. In a previous post I mentioned trips we suffered to Wrexham and Hereford etc and I’m suddenly having flashbacks!! However, it does nobody any good reminding Pardew he should have done this or that in the summer. He wanted to buy, the owner and Llambias wouldn’t let him. That’s gone and we must look forward because we can’t change it now. He’s going to buy and we’ve got the best scouting system looking for targets for January. I know it’s horrible to watch right now, but we’ve got to get behind the team, no matter how hard it is. The word ‘loyalty’ has always been synonymous with Newcastle and if ever a team needed to know we’re with them, it’s this one and the time is now. Let’s not beat about the bush, we’re garbage right now, but at least we do know this team can play good football – unlike that lot across the water! Desert the team now and the damage could be terminal. Bite the bullet and prove we’re the loyalest supporters the world has ever had, by turning up in force next Monday night and giving the team 100% backing as only we can. The players are probably as baffled as we are as to how we’ve sunk so low – it’s beyond belief that this is the same team – and they need us now more than ever. Most other clubs want us to fail and want to see a half empty stadium – don’t give them the satisfaction. Yes, we are rubbish now, but we’re still the Toon Army and we’ve seen worse if we’re honest – albeit a long time ago. Supporting Newcastle isn’t just about winning – it’s a way of life. HTL!!!

    Come on my black and white brothers, unite and roar on the team!!! Pardew aint going anywhere any time soon and I for one think we’ll be ok we’re going through a rocky patch sure but things will turn and we have to believe that. Getting on our lads cases and booing people, did that ever make anyone try harder??? Encouragment is whats needed and a willingness to pull in the same direction so lets get on the same side.

  • 21 Rotonda heights // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    Ian toon

    When one person complains, you can let that slide, but when it’s closer to 90% of the blog who are less than enamoured with the antics of our silver supremo you kind of need to shut the f..k up, stop calling people idiots and garbage and listen and respect other people’s points of view, because frankly what you say doesn’t really offer anything except getting a sore arse sitting on that fence. Is that pithy enough for you ?

  • 22 Papi_Demba // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    We have an Average manager with a rigid brain and thinks that he is right and has a bag full of excuses….yaaawwwwn…did the same as WHU 1 good season and then the poo hit the fan.

    When he sleeps he thinks BA and CISSE can play together in a 4-4-2 and that HBA is a winger. He sees Jonas last season and fails to see he’s out-of-form.

    I really dislike Pardew with a passion and u can blame player’s performance all u want but these guys may just b realising they are just working with a numpty and have lost hope. When u decide to build a house before the rain ensure the roof is in place in time for the rain. Pardew here just waits to blame the builders

  • 23 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    shavey d

    I will cheer the lads on every game i am at no matter who is in charge.

    However I think questions needs to be asked of pardew and the players.

    Between them they are udnerperfoming and need to up their game.

  • 24 catchy in norway // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM

    check the toastie

    if there are some of us on here who spotted this was going to happen a long time ago, i think some of the players will have to

    he has said since he got here, we never got our passing game going today, the players train every day with him and it has never looked like they ever practice keeping the ball or passing it,,

    i dont care what anyone thinks of me, but his love affair with obertan, shola, perch , simpson, will cost him his job, he is sticking with players with little to no ability, and leeting good players just watch, that must be so dis heartinging for

    i dont think he has the squad with him at all

  • 25 Visten // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM

    Make no difference when Cabs is back as he has been dross this season. However this is not his fault. He is not suited to a 4-4-2 formation, ffs Pardew why can you not see this? Look we can’t defend so at very least let out attacking players play in their best positions to at least have an equaliser in game. People may say well we switched to 4-3-3 before and it did not work and they would be right but that is because we are not training in this formation day in and day out in training session like we were last season.

  • 26 Rotonda heights // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM

    mark hughes would hardly be an improvment. another british manager who’s never won anything and has a dour defensive style. Mancini very quickly showed what a good manager with unlimited funds can do.

    I would love a foreign manager but who is used to the english game, ie martinez, Di matteo, Laudrup or Solksjaer.

  • 27 G // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:08 PM

    RH, from that list I would only really go for Solksjaer, not really taking anything away from the other 3, just gut feeling isn’t there for them either.

  • 28 soundoid // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20494537

  • 29 warwick // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    Dramatic headline imo.
    Yeh we are one point better off but the whole set up of the club is a million times better than THAT season.
    Talking about relegation at this stage is helping no one associated with club; fans, managers/players etc.

  • 30 Ian Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    Rotonda- At least I am expanding your vocabulary if nothing else.
    When things go wrong the soft option is blame, it’s human nature. If you were to take the trouble the same thing happened with the demise of Sir Bobby. Then it was that he had lost the dressing room and couldn’t manage the younger players , largely Bellamy. Blogs and so called interest groups on blogs got the weight of opinion against him. In any event I question your 90% assertion because less pro blog when the bully boys come out – it’s the pied piper syndrome. Many fans feel intimidated and don’t stick their head above the parapet .
    I still believe your energy would be better expended on supporting the team.

  • 31 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    So where are in terms of our game on Wednesday away against Stoke?

    …Colo is back that’s it right?

    …Do we think Pardew has been shaken a bit (maybe he is starting to see the problem; as I have said before sometimes you cannot see the forest for the trees)

    Explanation: A person accused of being unable to see the forest may want to take a step back from the situation, to regain a wider perspective on a problem.

  • 32 warwick // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    We are in a rut and need to stick together to get out of it. I trust the manager right now, you have to after getting manager of the season.
    Keep the faith, the negativity is creeping back in and it always results in the toons demise, check the past.
    Rotunda has been on pards back even last season so its clear that he has no interest in seeing him get us out of this predicament.

  • 33 Ian Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    Rotonda- I didn’t call you an idiot. If you misrepresent you lose all credibility that you might have.

  • 34 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    Ian

    How are you?

    I am beginning to wonder if pardew can turn this around? I have a gut feeling he can but nothing more.

    It seems he is following his normal patern with clubs…a goo year followed by a poor year and then ultimately a sacking.

    Not sure if he will be sacked here, or if maybe after the poor year may come a good year and then growing success. We wont be able to tell until it happens.

    I hope he is given til the end of the year, as long as we aren’t in the drop zone anytime.

  • 35 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:43 PM

    warwick

    I dont want pardew out either..think he can still turn it around, all is not lost.

    What I will say though is people like rotonda and catchy have never liked pardew and been consistent. They didn’t think him or his style would advance the club long term, whether it’s right or wrong unless he is given 4/5 years we will never know if he could or couldn’t turn it around.

  • 36 warwick // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    Yeh being consistent in the dislike of a manger who got us 5th in the league last years shows some sort of personal bias over the interests of the club.

  • 37 warwick // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:48 PM

    They have been waiting in the wings for the wheels to fall off. Were on a shocking run but it can happen to teams who aren’t elite in the field.
    Fact is when things are going well they are never to be seen but a few losses and they are out in force, thats what gets my goat.
    I don’t think anybody associated with the club is happy right now and we realise the manager and players have to step up to the plate.
    Tbh stoke will be tough and I can’t see us getting point until colo or ben arfa are back on the field but I live in hope for a miracle.

  • 38 G // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    The Stoke game is going to be very tough, the style of play they have means they will give us no time on the ball, and as we can’t string 3 passes together with a bit of time on the ball, it doen’t look good. The worst thing is about it, is that Michael Owen is fit for the game, so may appear of the bench. Given recent history, I think I have a feeling how that one will end.

  • 39 fray bentos // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    Regarding Ben arfa potentually going

    Let’s be honest here, he’s that good technically that he was always likely to be bought off one of the big teams whether we had a good season or not. Despite his ability by all accounts he’s an unlikeable person, a team isn’t built around one player and as long as we get plenty of money then that’s fine with me aslong as that money is well spent which is akways going to be the biggest issue

  • 40 Ian Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:53 PM

    Rotonda- With your philosophy if you win Pardew gets sacked and the club gets relegated. You always go for the populist pap” The silver supremo” it’s just tabloid nonsense. Your fixated on formations and systems. You cannot blame the manager for the ever diminishing squad as he was let down by a lack of investment. We’re to dependent on a few players who at present are either injured or under performing.
    The prospects are not as good as Beefman and a few others believe.
    I share Tads view that once we get a few additional signings that Fergi
    Sami should go out on loan to learn their trade. Your contention that
    Pardew is a failure at 51 because he hasn’t won anything is plain daft.
    NB- that doesn’t mean I am calling you daft.

  • 41 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 2:00 PM

    Oh I don’t agree with pardew getting sacked yet…he still needs time to sort it.

    I just think that people like catchy and rotonda get a hard time.

    They said the success of last year would be temporary, so far they have been proved right this year…to an extent anyway.

    I even remember catchy saying he wants to be proved wrong and pardew to do well.

    Yes sometime people can be a bit over the top with criticism but a lot of people can be over the top in the defence of manager and players too (natural as we support them)

  • 42 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    Ian

    good points.

    I think this season is down to a few things.

    We didn’t strengthen the squad enough. And it key areas like defence where it wasn’t lack of depth, it was lack of first team quality.

    also injuries aren’t helping. we have 2 creative players in ben arfa and cabaye and they are both currently out….they make/score a lot of our goals.

    The players also aren’t pulling their weight and just being generalyl sloppy in play.

    Pardew is not without blame….but he is in no way solely responsible for this.

  • 43 Rotonda heights // Nov 26, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    Ian

    It’s not a fixation on formations but as student of the game I do take a keen interest.

    You say everything to put a favourable slant on pardew but won’t acknowledge others views at all. As I say if I was one person speaking out then forget about it, but the ever growing number of disillusioned people on here tells me that my belief is rather more widespread.

    It doesn’t take a genius to see ba and Cisse don’t work in a 442 for us or at national level where they have abandoned the experiment.

    It also doesn’t take a genius to see that cabaye is way more effective in a middle 3
    and yet if I the man on the street can see these things why can’t the man paid the big bucks?

  • 44 Novocastrian66 // Nov 26, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    We were terrible on Sunday. Ripped apart by a team who were in the bottom three. We weren’t just beaten we were outclassed and that is the worrying thing here. We have won no points from three games against teams we would expect to finish above.
    This is bad news. When Ashley gave Fat Sam the boot he was quoted as saying that he could accept losing to the likes of Man Utd and Arsenal but not to Wigan. Well here we are. Cannot see us getting anything against Stoke, then Wigan up next.
    Where will 5 defeats in a row leave us?

  • 45 Ian Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    Transfer- I am fine thanks in difficult times. Had a frustrating time yesterday as all fans did. On a seperate note, I was interested to hear what Redknapp had said about QPR’s chances of staying up. He put it down to the need for hard work and that’s how I see the need for us going forward. It was noticeable how lacking in confidence some players are with Tiote particularly off the boil. Against a very determined hard running and fluid side the defence was all over the place. Reminded me of the Wigan game at back end of last season.
    Coloccini’s return will help organise the defence. Games are won and lost in midfield and ours was shocking, lightweight . Poorest I have seen Tiote play and Fergi seemed overawed by what was going on around him. Would like to give you some comfort but we have to work and scrap a bit more. We should have bought Lallana who Pardew had bought for the Saints. He was just the type of player we need. Still it’s onto Stoke. See ya.

  • 46 Rotonda heights // Nov 26, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    ian

    How is my philosophy pardew goes and we get sacked. at the moment he is leading the charge with every gmae where he won’t alter his one tactic.

    yes I would love a better footballing manager but I’m not naive enough to know we will only get another bargain basement failure like JFK if pardew goes. It’s not really a good enough reason to keep him though, just the fear of getting someone worse. The hoofball we play at the moment couldn’t be much worse though in reality.

  • 47 Rotonda heights // Nov 26, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    ian

    the garbage comment aimed at me and othrs was acceptable then

  • 48 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    ‘…I need 11 players who will make an effort. If they do not, they don’t play and I’ll find 11 others who will. I have no time for people who lose the ball and stand with their arms over their head or with arms akimbo. We are in a relegation battle. They must realize that we are in this situation because they have not performed…’

    this could easily had been a quote from Pardew (not that he’s blameless, far from it), but it is actually from ‘Arry when he has appointed Manager of QPR, but it is so fitting to us as well :)

  • 49 Ian Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Rotonda- I have supported every manager except Allardyce because his brand of football was truly appalling. It’s quite simple that timing is all important in football and if it’s determined that Pardew is not the man for us going forward let’s get shot/ rid in the summer . Not now. He’s been dealt a bad hand and gets little support which means he takes flack from those that should be targeted. The side is unbalanced. Pardew wanted Clyne but was told he couldn’t then have Anita so with Simpson staying on a compromise was made. But your contention rests with the style of play and I firmly believe that given a few more quality highly technical signings we can play the way most fans want and Pardew wants. As a student of the game you should appreciate that.

  • 50 danuneek // Nov 26, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    There is no point sacking Pardew as who else is there to replace him? And the new man would want time and money etc … We may as well give Pardew time and then look at things at the end of the season.

    I don’t think we will get relegated once our better players return. And at least this is given Pardew a chance to really evaluate our squad.

    But for me the problem is simple. We can’t really see Pardews tactics working because our players are so poor. I think motivation, tactics and training can only go so far, but ateotd if you’re forced into using players that can’t cross, control, pass, dribble, create and lack pace then your in trouble.

    We were relatively lucky last season with injuries, but this season we have had injuries and suspensions to key players.

    For me, Sami, Ferguson, Abeid, Obertan, Vuckic, Amelifatano (whatever) are not ready for the first team. Then you’ve got Jonas, Simpson, Williamson, Perch and Strolla that are not good enough. Cisse needs to spend time on the bench and start pushing Ba for that ONE starting position. Cabaye needs to understand if he’s not performing he’s on the bench.

    We need 5 players in January to create competition for places. If a player isn’t performing they need to know nobody is guaranteed a starting position. Surely it would cost Cashley more to be relegated than spending £25m in January. Particularly with the new deal coming into effect next season. For me this problem has arisen because we didn’t invest when we should have. We need some more attacking/creative players.

  • 51 Ian Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    Rotonda – I could well put a favourable slant on all things Pardew. But if I am trying to make a case why wouldn’t I! Pardew is too cautious at times, as in the WBA game leading 1-0 we second half tried to close the game down. We were lucky to win. However, I think it’s as much that he doesn’t feel wholly comfortable with the defences ability to defend with current personnel. All talk of playing a different way is of lesser importance than actually getting back confidence and overall form. A dig in policy with a few astute signings in January and away we go. I am prepared to listen to your point of view but it doesn’t rest with a Martinez figure capable of transforming our fortunes by playing flexible systems. I have to go.

  • 52 jimiley // Nov 26, 2012 at 2:41 PM

    We need Jonas to step up to the plate and give a captain’s performance. When he plays well, the team plays well. A couple of assists from our winger and even a goal would be nice.

  • 53 Rotonda heights // Nov 26, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    Ian

    How am I a loud mouthed phillistine? I’m the opposite aren’t I? I want the beautiful game. I want to see the aesthete. A phillistine would appreciate Stoke.

    If you’re going to launch insults at least come up with something relevant.

  • 54 Rotonda heights // Nov 26, 2012 at 2:51 PM

    we have enough technically good players now to impose ourselves on the likes of west ham, swansea and southampton.

    tiote cabs Anita
    Benny Ba Marv.

    people moan about squad size we haven’ even seen amaltifano or abeid.

    I’m not convinced with better technical players pardew wouldn’t still go 442 route 1. It’s in his D.N.A Allardyce said he would change, but he never did.

  • 55 Ian Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    Rotonda- with respect you need to read what I actually said.

  • 56 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    I don’t know why people keep arguing. Everyone is making the same point.

    The squad is too thin, not enough Quality in the depth we have and also a very average first choice defence.

    But that said the players and manager are not doing well either.

    Sure everyone agrees this

  • 57 obatoyou // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:05 PM

    Pardew was recently given an 8 year contract, so..to sack him would be summat wounit

    wouldn’t be the end of the world, would feel for the guy, but with losing so much and drawing to rubbish portuguese teams at home, seems things couldn’t possibly get worse

  • 58 obatoyou // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    hmm, Roberto Di Matteo is available :)

  • 59 obatoyou // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    I agree Transfer Sage, but that’s the folly of a bad situation, there’s no where to run but repeat ourselves and whine :S

  • 60 ShaveyD // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Fair point I just think that some of our lot need to show support to the cause rather than berate it after what was only 2 defeats (albeit home defeats) in a row. I say only because as the well trodden (by Souness) goes, ‘there’s always a crises when Newcastle lose two in a row’. I see bloggers like Catchy who all have valid points but I just can’t get my head around why anyone would be so fixated on replacing Pardew when there’s no one else of any quality would take this job with the constraints there are in place. Pardew is however guilty of excuses and not playing the tried and tested 433 but I think saying he should sacked after 1 poor run, regardless of how poorly we are playing (winning or losing) is very very harsh.

  • 61 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Do you think we would be in this situation with tjis line up…

    —————-KRUL—————-
    SIMMO-TAYLOR-COLO-GUTIERREZ
    ———TIOTE—–ANITA———–
    BARFA——-CABAYE——SANTON
    ————-BA/CISSE————–

    If he played this line up/formation with attavking passing football, we would see better results.

    This is why people want pardew to leave beacuse he doesnt have a fxckin clue!

  • 62 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    shavey

    I think we could get a better manager than pardew. The constraints pardew has financially are no worse than the likes of everton, swansea, west brom, etc

    we wont get a big name manager, like benitez, mourinho etc but we could do better…not that i want pardew gone yet mind you.

    I think Ashley should be willing to spend that bit extra getting a good manager as it will mean he will get more out of lesser players meaning that he will need to spend less on players.

    But I just trust pards will sort it out, no idea why, just a gut feeling.

  • 63 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    cockney

    yeh i do unfortuantely

    I think that might have helped but the players have really let him down by doing even the basics of passing and defending wrong all season.

  • 64 jamieNERO // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    lets be honest guys. We need to see 3 or 4 players through the door in January. We all knew the squad was gonna be stretched and adding one player to the ranks wasn’t enough. Pretty sure Ashley knows this and I’m sure Pardew will be telling him that his point is proven given the last month’s results. Hope Yohan gets back soon, he’s our main man, creates everything and midfield looks dead without him. HTL

  • 65 nufc90 // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    We’ve played more long balls than anyone, including stoke. Says it all about the tactics to me just hoofing possession back to the other team. Pardew said previously he wants to play possession football I can’t understand why the constant long balls. Everyone can see this I just don’t get why he can’t and the Ba/Cissé partnership not working. Maybe it’s stubbornness but I hope he changes it soon looking at the fixtures we’ve got coming

  • 66 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    @transfersage

    I agree with you until the last bit.

    Its almost at the point where i actually want the team to lose so he will go.

    The only way he wins is with long ball tactics and gets lucky and wins by 1 goal.

    I cant remember the last time we scored more than 3, hes a terrible tactician, FACT.

  • 67 nufc90 // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    And there’d be hundreds of managers jump at the chance of managing Newcastle United, particularly foreign working managers as they’re used to working under these types of constraints.

  • 68 check the toastie // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:32 PM

    I would sack Pardew and Give Glen Hoddle or somebody with a fresh approach a chance until the summer, then replace with somebody like Martinez or De Boer, this is the time for Ashley to do the right thing.

    Hughton was sacked as he supported the players, Pardew supports the board and will remain, he truly is a slippery political beast.

  • 69 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    @transfersage

    Your wrong, how can you say that?

    Santon in an advanced position is a no brainer.

    The chemistry in the back line.

    Play Ba OR Cisse as a lone striker.

    And most of all, passing fluent attacking football rather than get it up to the top 2 straight away and by pass the midfield.

    Im finding it very easy to spot the flaws in our current situation but Pardew is stubborn and wont change for knowone, hes proved that every week and if we get a win its because we were lucky and have class individuals on the pitch such as Benny boy and Ba.

    He needs to be sacked if this carries on other wise you will see those star players leave, mark my word.

  • 70 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    @transfersage

    How can you say that?

    Santon in an advanced position is a no brainer.

    The chemistry in the back line.

    Play Ba OR Cisse as a lone striker.

    And most of all, passing fluent attacking football rather than get it up to the top 2 straight away and by pass the midfield.

    Im finding it very easy to spot the flaws in our current situation but Pardew is stubborn and wont change for knowone, hes proved that every week and if we get a win its because we were lucky and have class individuals on the pitch such as Benny boy and Ba.

    He needs to be sacked if this carries on other wise you will see those star players leave, mark my word.

  • 71 ash1001 // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    Ed you have dressed yesterdays result up about 4 times now with different comments from Pardew, your getting as bad as Pardew with spin doctoring. The truth is as a whole the current bunch of players are not up to scratch as far as the PL is concerned and that includes the so called stars of the pack with few exceptions.
    The management team are not up scratch as far as providing the resources to compete fully in the PL, that includes everyone from the owner downwards.
    According to most on this blog the tactics are also wrong, I just see it as we have only scored 13 goals in 13 PL games yet conceded 19, that’s going down statistics, like it or not.
    55 years on from my first game at SJP I have seen it all, will not go down the Shearer, Ferdinand etc road, that would be too painful but woweee. Will stick to current times and what is missing – easy answer, someone of the Kevin Nolan character (a leader, a shouter + a canny footballer), no one on the field is leading the charge, Jonas yesterday as captain was invisible but it does show what Pardew is looking for in a captain – NOTHING, then he comes out today and says he needs the support of the TOON ARMY, does he want us to organise the onfield tactics cos he is incapable – probably. who’s the best from the blog on Championship Manager -WE NEED YOU NOW.

  • 72 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    I think at home we as the crowd have to be that shouting, commanding player cos we haven’t got one so we will have to give everyone a kick up the arse, whos up for it?? Lets make a change and make things happen.

  • 73 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    Brendon rogers stuck enrique on the LW yesterday…. are you people not seeing potential in Santon makin that switch aswell because i certainly am.

    Hes our best crestive player bar Benny boy and plays at LB, says it all really dont it?

  • 74 Ian Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    ” I am looking forward to the next game and hopefully performing better for our fans. They came a long, long way and they are the greatest set of fans in the country in my opinion. Perhaps we need them more than we did last year because the team really needs a lift”.

  • 75 Irie-Magpie // Nov 26, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    Cockneymag90 – I agree with there, Santon would be hard to handle if he was in an advance role, he loves getting forward so this would be perfect.

  • 76 eaststandgeordie1982 // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    Buy a lb and rb put santon in an advanced role sounds good to me he would have to find the net on regular basis.

  • 77 Klatoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:10 PM

    have not watched many games this season and neither have I posted but I managed to catch the 1st half against Southampton and ve got to say, AP needs a drastic tactical rethink or we Ashley should start looking around for a new manager.

  • 78 nufc90 // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    Santon used to play as a winger when he was a kid anyway. Anythings worth a go but I’d rather play Marveaux there. I even think we could do with obertans pace in the side

  • 79 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    To lighten the mood, here’s our lovely export Joey Barton, doing a Schteve Mclaren, commenting on his Marseille debut – http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvdzlc_barton-la-ligue-1-est-ennuyeuse_sport?start=12

  • 80 soundoid // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:13 PM

    One player we should have hung onto was Danny Guthrie. He could have played in all of our europa league games and was the perfect understudy for cabeye when injured or suspended.

  • 81 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    Can’t tell if he’s been serious, or if he’s doing it with a nudge and a wink back towards our isles :lol:

  • 82 obatoyou // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    I think what we should do is sell a few of our top players for maybe 10-20m+ and buy a few more cheaper players, that way Mike Ashley gets some more money, he deserves it, and we will still stay in mid table which is fine, we’ll lose a few, but we’ll win some too, we might slip near the relegation zone, but it’s not about winning, it’s about the climb, supporting the black and white, until we get a new kuwaiti owner who can buy 15-20 players over 30 million like city have done, that will be just great.
    Discuss.

  • 83 bettyswallocks // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    A few years ago not long after Sam Allardyce was sacked he was in Qatar commentating on the England friendly.

    I was at a function he was attending and managed to speak to him about NUFC.

    He told me that the level of expectation was so high that when the team were underperforming the tension and crowd reaction transmitted from the crowd and made
    players become nervous and lose confidence.

    He went on to say that this along with other pressures made managing Newcastle a very difficult job.

    I believe as I have already stated on here that the Geordie fans will not accept the nagative defensive style of play that big Sam brought to us with the 50 – 50 hopeful long ball as our main attacking option.

    Under Keegan when the team attacked as a unit with speed and flair the crowd roared as one and the stadium was buzzing.

    When we hoof it and lose it the groans are starting to be heard and there is tension and worried vibes amongst the fans.

    This is now becoming a catch 22 .

    Without the crowd support and the nervous silences which are now appearing this will ultimately transmit to the players and create lack of confidence.

    Pardews call for more support isnt going to happen with this syle of play.

    We are not comfortable watching Pardews band of football.

  • 84 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    bettyswallocks

    I’ve alluded to that before. I simply don’t identify with this cautious percentage game, many others can’t either, particularly when we know we have the components to play with a bit of pizzazz.

    If they give us something to latch onto, then the noise will follow.

  • 85 lucasnufc // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:38 PM

    @soundoid definitely agree about Guthrie. We are definitely missing him as he was creative. Tiote and Anita = zero creativity

  • 86 89Norcal // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:39 PM

    bettyswallocks

    Well, Pardew already knows how to help us play good football, but he refuses to return to a 433 in order to appease both our strikers. However I’m guessing they would rather be winning (as opposed to both playing centrally and scoring f**k all).

    In some ways, Cisse’s arrival here has been a blessing and a curse, not that it’s his fault at all; but neither him nor Ba can play off each other or support in a Rooney-esque type way

  • 87 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    Guthrie was always trying to make things happen, I don’t think we really appreciated him while he was here, he was always considered a player that ‘keeps things ticking over’ not much else, but he was far more adventurous and inventive with his passing than he got credit for. Not always the most accurate, but towards the end of his spell here, he matured and was always looking for the ball, buzzing around and starting to become more consistent, sometimes outshining Cabaye.

  • 88 NUFC FOR SALE // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    We need 2 Centre Halves in January.

    Williamson is not good enough..period

    Steven Taylor needs to be moved on now…….you can’t build a central defence partnership with someone who is injured as much as him.

    Hes had his chance as far as i’m concerned, its time to move on, find someone who doesn’t get injured season after season after season so Colicini or whoever can build a partnership.

  • 89 stuart no9 // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM

    i read posts saying cabeye this – cabeye that, santon could play here – santon could play there- scrap the 442 bring back the433 or whatever, but i dont think that matters anymore the problem lies much deeper IMO. The players we have are not a problem,- maybe 1 or 2 who are not up to it but we have a squad who can without doubt get us into the champions league what we havnt got is a manager who knows how to do it. I am convinvced a decent manager worth his salt would take us to the next level without having to tinker with the squad too much,. Pards took us to the next level ( europa league) when he took over from CH, a decision i still think was a mistake,however, i sais months ago pards has peaked, i stand by that. he cant take us any further.W hen soton scored yesterday the lads must have got a shock because they didnt lie back at 1- 0 . they pummelled us . they wanted 2-3-4-5-6-7 and should have got them THATS where pards has lost it. closing the game at 1-0 letting the opposition come at us instead of going for the kill. Now we have a team of players whos confidence is in their boots, they dont want it, they wernt running for it. i think tactics is the least of our problems at the minute , we have to get that spirit back, that spirit that pards has shot to pieces – easier said than done. as forall the people on here who have blamed the players for this mess saying ” the players are on the pitch not pardew” note QPR in future. a watch how a manager can totally transform a team without spending much money, just having that tactical know how , something we havnt got. to stay up pards MUST go.

  • 90 curmon // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:49 PM

    Einsteins definition of madness ” doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting the outcome to be different”

    Pardew, I rest my case

  • 91 NUFC STEVE // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    Read this article you can’t disagree with it!! ( well maybe the bit about Cisse being good)http://www.newcastleunited-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/fans_point_the_blame_at_pardews_route_one_tactics_770210/index.shtml

  • 92 NUFC STEVE // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    http://www.newcastleunited-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/fans_point_the_blame_at_pardews_route_one_tactics_770210/index.shtml

  • 93 GeordieTwo // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    How can we continue to play 4-4-2 with Ba and Cisse up front? Each performance seems to get worse which is hard to believe at this point! Not a shot on goal in the first half. We gave them plenty of confidence to come at us after the first 15 minutes or so. What on earth has happened to reduce us to this pathetic level of play?Just don’t understand it after last season. The life seems to have gone out of the squad. I know we have injuries but this is ridiculous. How are things looking to you Derek? You were completely satisfied with the squad with its purples and brilliant stand-ins as far as I remember. Do you still stand by that? If so you should be out the door and on your way. Wake up Ashley!!!

  • 94 bettyswallocks // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    I m afraid I have to agree with Catchy and Rotonda that Pardews style has not produced many flowing attacking performances since he arrived.

    I will say again that even with a 5th place and some good results last season the fans have never completely accepted Pardew or sung his name with any real sincerity.

    I have felt this from day one at the match as though he s still on trial.

    He was tolerated because we were getting results with workman like football.

    Now we are losing and playing shit and with Pardews football philosophy so deeply embedded in him how can he change his style.

    The only solution I can see is to bring in an assistant who can get the players playing to their strengths as a unit.

  • 95 GeordieTwo // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:04 PM

    I can no longer see making excuses for Pardew. Where are his ideas for changing our tactics to suit the players we have available now? Ba and Cisse up front together doesn’t work Pardew!!! Surely you see it by now. Cisse is lost in this formation. He is almost permanently off-side. When he is caught he just laughs and does it again!! This is unbelievable for a professional footballer. Pardew you should tear a strip off of him! Willo and Simpson look terrible on the same pitch together. Simpson was 10 yards away from his man when the first goal was set up! He has to be replaced in January. Get it Llambias you moron? I think Pardew’s time is coming to an end unless he turns the ship around before January. This is hard to believe but we are clearly in danger of relegation now. Wigan is playing better than us!!! Again wake up Ashley!!

  • 96 Magpies-till-d3ath // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    Pardew Out! Di Matteo In!!!!!!

  • 97 GeordieTwo // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    I have seen some dim bulbs in my time but Llambias takes the cake. Southampton spent 27M pounds last summer and we had a net spend of 4M pounds. That’s a little more than Blackpool’s budget with an average attendance of about 15,000 for them! Llambias must go as far as I’m concerned. He is completely incompetent. Put some faith back in the supporters Ashley by sacking that waste of space!! Time is running out early for this season. The lack of form is frightening and it seems Pardew has lost the dressing room. No fighting spirit evident on the pitch now. What a fall from grace.

  • 98 woodsee // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    We were lucky last season,and if you recall when we got beat we often got hammered the cracks were thereand nothing was done to rectify the situation.
    Also i mentioned on another thread,every time we get a youngster,hes going tobe the next George Best and in my opinion there are far better young players in other teams than weve got,the last 3 games have shown me that,and can anyone tellme what pardew sees in sammy ameobi,as he is clearly no where near first team class

  • 99 woodsee // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    Pardew will only go when fatboy slim goes

  • 100 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:23 PM

    …so guys, what’s the word?

  • 101 Sav // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    We should have bought Debuchy. If we had, we would not be in this mess. Santon isn’t a bad wing-back (not brilliant either but…) but Danny Simpson doesn’t offer anything going forward and we haven’t room in the side for 2 wingers because our midfield 2 have been chopped and changed and usually aren’t good enough. Leighton Baines makes over 4 chances per game on average. Cisse and Ba need some of that and surely its time to try Ba on the left again, or drop Cisse altogether.
    As for Pards, he’s got to convince the lads they are better than Stoke. The noises he’s making so far don’t fill anyone with hope of putting fire into the bellies of the first team.
    HTL!

  • 102 LargeSadMenace // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    We should never have sold Nolan, Carroll and Barton

  • 103 LargeSadMenace // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:34 PM

    Pardew out? Llambias out? Are you people for real, the fat controoller is the one who needs to leave, the rest will then follow.

  • 104 Mister Tuff // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:34 PM

    Much as I do not think Pardew should have been given the job in the first place,I believe he should be given time to get things sorted out – at least up until the January window. I’ve previously said the November results and the run up to the transfer window and what we do in the transfer window will define our season. We will know whether Pardew is up to the job and what the clubs’ intentions are (by who they purchase).
    I’ve always thought we will be busy in the transfer market -buying. Pardew needs to do a “Arry” and lay the law down – don’t give 100% and you do not play.
    The other bit “Arry” said today was :-
    “I need people who work – when you lose the ball, chase it. It’s what you learnt in the playground. You chased after the ball if you lost. I need 11 people with ability who put effort in. If they do that, we’ve got a chance of surviving. If they don’t, I’ll find 11 who will.”
    I ‘ve noticed recently when some of our players have lost the ball, they either run a little bit and give up our do not run at all to get the ball back. This is not acceptable -ever. This rule needs to be enforced.

  • 105 Ashton // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    Our manager is so stupid he isn’t capable of coming up with at least different excuses!. He mumbles the same thing over and over again.

    At least be original and spice things up with your daily rations of whining and bitching, Pardew! you pathetic excuse of a PL manager.

  • 106 NottsGeordie // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    Its really stupid how before the season started people were mad at Mike Ashley for not investing in the squad, saying “Our squad is too small! If we get injuries we’ll be screwed!” and then when those injuries happen, all of a sudden we should be winning every game and playing well. If you wanted us to spend in the summer, it was obviously for a reason and that reason is that the squad IS too small, so it really makes NO sense when people are gettin on Pardews back when we’re effected by having small squad.

  • 107 LargeSadMenace // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    Sav

    You are taking the Debuchy saga to new heights of idiocy by suggesting that he could solely have prevented the recent diabolical run of results. REALLY????!!

  • 108 LargeSadMenace // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    Notts

    Those calling for Pardew’s head are probably the same morons who said our squad will be good enough because youngsters are coming through thanks to MA’s invesstment in the youth academy (£35m anyone?). Well, I don’t see any youngsters worthy of the places they now occupy in the starting lineup, the proof is in the results

  • 109 Catchy (from outer space) // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    Pardew out !!!!

  • 110 Magpies-till-d3ath // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    4231 is our best formation and will keep ALL players happy!

    Krul
    Simpson Colo Saylor Santon
    Tiote Anita
    Obertan Ba Marveaux
    Cisse

  • 111 GeordieTwo // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    Pardew says we were good yesterday until the game kicked off! At least he hasn’t lost his sense of humour. But maybe he has lost his sanity. How could he start 4-4-2 with Ba and Cisse at this point? He is making himself look like a fool. What has Carver got to say about this? Surely someone has pointed out 4-4-2 is not working by now? If not what do they do between games. Do they analyze performances of players and effectiveness of formations or not? I feel like we are stuck in the 70′s or 80′s with Pardew’s lack of tactical nous. But who would he be replaced with? I think Joe Kinnear is available for cheap Ashley (and he works really well with Derek as an added bonus).

  • 112 Catchy In a Straight Jacket // Nov 26, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    Pardew needs to go & so does Obertan!!

  • 113 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:05 PM

    Can we put Llambias in the home dugout for 1 match, in charge, so when we inevitably lose, we can maul him and tear him limb from limb?

  • 114 NottsGeordie // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:14 PM

    LSM

    Those people calling for Pardews are absolute idiots and dont even deserve to have their opinion heard.

  • 115 cadete // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:14 PM

    hi guys,
    As alot of the comments above say 4423 is not going to do us any good. Pardew will not be sacked as that would cost a fortune with his contract and also mike is going nowhere,
    I like the idea about swapping guti and santon, I like santon he is young but really has got a great future ahead of him and i could see him at left wing and as for guti he aint good enough for the wing and aint good enough for the middle so give him a pop at left back ya never know and get ba playing down the middle on his own.
    In jan we need a left winger, a centre half and a right back, and if possible another centre midfielder and play 433 which works as last season showed

  • 116 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:20 PM

    All I’m waiting for Pardew to come out with now, is the Tory line: “We’re all in this together.”

  • 117 jonobbad // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:21 PM

    Cadete
    Brilliant idea. We might get a point or two with a 4423

  • 118 Toon Tang // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    are we winning yet or what ??

  • 119 Toon Tang // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    …or shall i come back another time??

  • 120 GeordieTwo // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:25 PM

    I think we would need to play 4-4-2-3 to get a point or two now jonobbad :).

  • 121 Marty-Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:25 PM

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/8286439/Newcastle-midfielder-Yohan-Cabaye-undergoes-surgery
    Cabs just went under the knife in Paris

  • 122 Nufc-83 // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    Pardew’s contract will be full of get out clauses so i don’t believe it would cost a fortune as some of you think to get rid.

  • 123 cadete // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    lol
    edit 442
    lol fat fingers :)

  • 124 jonobbad // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    Nufc83
    I completely agree

  • 125 Ian Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    NottsGeordie-@ 105 — Seems a logical outcome . It gives the same people the chance to blame Ashley in the Summer and Pardew now. Our fans love a good Whinge even in the good times. Also there is another group who previously had said that we should have 4-5 of the youngsters as regular starters. There are still some people claiming that were not short on numbers because we haven’t used Abeid or Amal yet. Almost as if Pardew doesn’t want to field our best line up
    rather than him recognise that a struggling side does not provide the best platform aspiring youngsters. You only need to consider Fergi’s recent performances where he’s appeared like a rabbit caught in car headlights.

  • 126 bills-son // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:29 PM

    I’m not making excuses for Pardew because it’s his job to find the answers … but the injuries, suspensions and the EL have defintely had a cumulative effect that has reached a crisis point now.

    Pardew has gone on about the team keeping it’s shape, but we had no shape at all yesterday, and it’s been our biggest problem since the early part of the season. We are playing like eleven individuals not a team. Ba and Cisse don’t work well together, the midfield isn’t working as a unit, and the defence are all over the place. In some ways I feel for Willo, STaylor and Colo. None of them are blessed with pace yet, because the midfield aren’t winning possession or closing down, they continually have players running at them from the half way line with other players peeling off to either side. That is a defenders nightmare and it happened time and time and time again yesterday against a side second bottom of the PL.

    Even when we get the ball, as every fan knows, we constantly give it away. It’s one thing blaming defenders for hoofing it but if there isn’t an easy pass to make to a midfielder who has worked to find space what do they do, try to dribble it out like Messi?

    Midfield, midfield and midfield again is our biggest problem area. We are lacking creativity and pace and Tiote wasn’t even trying yesterday – he was an absolute disgrace to the shirt.

    We HAVE to get a settled side, and system and stick with it for a few games, barring the likes of Colo, HBA and Cabaye coming back in. IMO that means leaving Cisse out and putting an extra man in midfield. Never mind 442 doesn’t work, neither does 433 the way our midfield is performing. We need five in midfield and we have to work like fk to get and keep the ball and feed HBA and Ba. I couldn’t give a monkey’s about the EL now, don’t play the first eleven, keep them fresh for the Prem.

    Whatever Pardew has done to try and solve our crap play and form hasn’t worked for weeks now. It’s time for radical changes starting on Wednesday.

  • 127 The Prophet Of Doom 01.12.12 // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:30 PM

    Hi guys

  • 128 obatoyou // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:35 PM

    When we hoof it and lose it the groans are starting to be heard and there is tension and worried vibes amongst the fans.

    bettyswallocks // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    “This is now becoming a catch 22 . ”

    Without the crowd support and the nervous silences which are now appearing this will ultimately transmit to the players and create lack of confidence.


    This actually is not a catch 22, it’s more a self-perpetuating vicious diminuendo of our footballing team.

    we do cheer all the time, yet we still play like shite..
    A catch 22 would be more like..

    The crowd will only cheer if we are doing well, and we will do well only when the crowd cheers. unfortunately we don’t play too well either way :(

  • 129 obatoyou // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:36 PM

    then we play worse when we stop cheering :~(

  • 130 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:39 PM

    Is benny fit for stoke? Haven’t heard any updates on his injury and we need him back to put some drive back in our midfield!
    Also is obertan injured still?
    Given our injuries i’d quiet like to see us play something like this vs stoke
    Krul
    Simmo Willo. Colo. Santoon

    Tiote. Anita
    Benny
    Guti. Marv
    Ba

    Put given its an away game and we need points on the board can imagine we’d set up quiet defensively which you couldn’t blame us for when the lads our struggling for form!
    Also dont want to see fergie sammy abied amal or any of the young lads in the starting line up they shouldn’t be playing when the squad is struggling it makes them look bad, they panic on the pitch and will probably knock there confidence and development
    These boys need loan spells to get regular football where mistakes aren’t as heavily in the spotlight as they are in the top flight, its not there fault obviously that were relying on them so heavily but there being forced in to a bit if a sink or swim situation and its really not fair ob them because there not the answer to getting us playing better

  • 131 Ian Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    Nufc-83- Almost certainly it contains a loss of PL status clause. Which would dramatically impact on any settlement to Pardew on dismissal. There will be a number of target hurdle clauses based on performance outcomes over a number of years with bonus payments or penalties at set times from a basic salary. Unfortunately or fortunately players contracts will be likewise impacted by us playing in the Championship. Ashley learnt some harsh lessons in his early ownership years. He’s unlikely to make the same mistakes again. He who does not understand history is likely to repeat it.

  • 132 lee1892 // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:43 PM

    Joey Barton French-Scouse accent is terrible

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2238720/Joey-Barton-French-accent-Video-watch-midfielders-hilarious-post-match-interview.html

  • 133 nufc90 // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:43 PM

    I’m actually kinda hoping obertans back too (as ridiculous as it sounds to some) could really use his pace on the counter at stoke like last year

  • 134 soundoid // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:43 PM

    Not to mention the stoke will kick the young lads round the park.

  • 135 Ian Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:45 PM

    -For the second time today I endorse Tads point on our youngsters .

  • 136 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:46 PM

    TADS…I think Benny might be out until early or the beginning of December :-(

  • 137 soundoid // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:47 PM

    Pards said it’s the same squad.

  • 138 John Tudor // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:49 PM

    we are without a doubt cattle trucked

  • 139 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:50 PM

    I endorse Ron Zacapa 23 anos ;-)

  • 140 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    Ian toon
    Sorry been a busy day havent read through the posts but glad you agree!
    Starting to worry about a danger to seriously stunting there development in the long term, especially sammy and fergie when at 20 and 21 you would hope that they would have both enjoyed more time on loan at this stage of there careers and throwing them into the starting line ups only to be hooked at half time cant be good for them
    You go to alot of reserves games is there any particular reason around the club why are youngsters don’t get more loan time?
    Hopefully this agreement with st.mirren will see a few of them play at a more competitive level

  • 141 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:54 PM

    Jesper
    Gutted if thats the case we’re def going to need him back sharpish the december fixture list is packed solid!

  • 142 stuart no9 // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:59 PM

    nottss geordie@114 are you really a mackem who would love to see us back in the fizzy????

  • 143 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    TADS…if we are lucky Benny might play in the weekend, but I am not a big fan of rushing hamstring injuries – there are usually just going to be setbacks later!

  • 144 Ian Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 7:03 PM

    obatoyou- Quite. Joseph Heller would not have been impressed with Bettyswallocks interpretation . Just goes to show a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. A BandB she isn’t.

  • 145 stuart no9 // Nov 26, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    bills @126 is that really you writing that piece ? lol

  • 146 catchy in norway // Nov 26, 2012 at 7:13 PM

    I love you guys who think that this is just a blip and Pardew will pull us through this,

    I love the fact that for 2 years you have been watching that team not play as a team and you still it’s all great,,

    For me you guys who still think Pardew is the man to take us forward must know not one thing about football, you look at tables and think 5th ooooo he is good,

    You think fans like me and a few others like me( Beattie for one) just don’t like Pardew , and would not give him a chance or still won’t give a chance because we seen through all the bullshit early on in his career with us

    He says what he thinks ppl want to hear, he always has, he loves to point fingers and direct the blame away from him , making himself the victim ,

    He was telling you that players like obertan are players that this club needs , when the kid is in the top ten of the worst players ever at Man U and to prove his point he tried to ruin the kids confidence,

    Us negative fans where saying last year that 3 or even 2nd place was up for grabs , but Pardew was to scared to let his team attack,

    Players like jonas are lost, I don’t think I have ever seen players that are good look so bad in such a short space of time , the football has got so bad you even believe players like perch has proved so much he is now like tiote when infact Pardew has reduced tiote to perches level, cabaye omg what a talent , even this season I watch him and god we are lucky to have him , Pardew has made him look like a pub player because he is out of his best position

    Cisse and Ba can work together , but they need a supply line

    Why most of you think changing formation will work is beyond me, all formations work , it’s about putting the best players in the right positions to get the best out of them, not about putting your best player on the pitch,
    Get the players to do there job, you say young Ferg isn’t ready I say he is the best crosser of the ball at the club, feed him the ball and say just put quality into the box
    HBA is totally wasted out on the right,, he don’t see enough of the ball,

    Your more worried about losing Pardew than our top players , I just carnt get my head around that, players play how the manager sets them up, if they like the guy they will run through a brick wall for him , our players won’t even run for ours,

    Llambass he is equally to blame , the guy thinks he can walk into football and call the shots, fucking this and fucking that I’m no mug, he is the biggest mug in football , as now every team in jan will hold out for top dollar or why sell?
    You as fans are saying we need 3/4/5 in jan , think it over, how many top players are available in January?
    We got cisse as his team were about to be relegated and they needed the money, but think back to then we needed defenders , we got a forward, what made it wore was he was also goin to ACN, did we need him, I’m thinking Ba would have scored goals if he had of been in the centre and not left wing, we actually got to fifth carrying ba on the left,

    Think of the games we got hammerd , Pardew had no clue how to fix it, errr shola , long ball

    He needs sacked now

  • 147 Ian Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    Tads- aside from Tim our young foreign players have seemed reluctant to go out on loan. It’s rumoured that Abeid resisted a loan spell last season. I guess Pardew has been reluctant to let Fergi and Sammy go albeit temporarily, because of our small squad. I do agree that competitive league football is the way to go. I haven’t seen too much reserve/ academy football of late but I fully agree that we don’t have that many top draw youngsters capable of going into the starting line up just yet. Tavernier looked the business last season but the gulf in class to the PL is immense. Fergi has shown that of late. The best prospects for me were Abeid and Adam Campbell. The latter could well feature towards the end of the season if our fortunes pick up. Brad Inman is someone I have long rated but he’s been unlucky with injuries . He was a sub at Crewe on Saturday but didn’t feature. I’ve
    not seen Good recently but I ‘ve heard one excellent things about him and he’s at Bradford City. I think Pardew genuinely values loan spells as a means of player development . As you say the St Mirren link could help.

  • 148 obatoyou // Nov 26, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    toonarmy down south unfortunately, bennys out for another 2 weeks :((

  • 149 Ian Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 7:32 PM

    Some instead of one

  • 150 obatoyou // Nov 26, 2012 at 7:36 PM

    Right Ian toon, never been to a game myself to voice my voice, but hopefully one day will get there from aus.
    saw a prem game, west brom v norwich in 2005, norwich won 3-2 good game that was, suspect its harder/impossible to get a ticket to a newcastle game, or one of the top games

  • 151 jimiley // Nov 26, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    We need to be patient and calm down. No need to panic. We are two wins off fifth. Alan will deliver us to the promised land. We are playing decent stuff and just need abit of luck. Pep G? Forget it.

  • 152 numba9 // Nov 26, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    Should have bought in the summer to
    What we had but the gaffer is to scarred to ask4 backing hence he gets rewarded with a long contract 4 being the puppet fatman wants . I blame weak management and a change in systems

  • 153 LargeSadMenace // Nov 26, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    ASHLEY OUT

  • 154 numba9 // Nov 26, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    What team would finish top 5 and spend next to nowt ? Stingey. And it does show we needed to sign experience but club seems obsessed with kids . Bit worrying that lol




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