Newcastle One Point Better Off Than Relegation Season


After 13 games played in the 2009-2010 season, which saw us finally be relegated, we had 13 points from our first 13 games, and even though pundits said we were too good to go down in that season, we were relegated from the Premier League for the first time in our history.

Yohan Cabaye – when will this man return to action?

And our latest slump has seen Newcastle on only 14 points from the 13 league games we have played so far this season, and that’s just one point better off than we were four years ago, when the club went through so much turmoil.

Newcastle is much more stable these days, thank goodness, and much better prepared for the challenge we now face to pull ourselves up the league table.

This is what Alan said today, in a number of interviews he has given, after Newcastle have gained a single point from their last four league games in a terrible slump:

“If we get to January and we’re in a vulnerable position, where we are now or lower, then we’re going to need to have a little bit more thought about how we’re going to go forward.

“We’re talking about West Ham putting a big puncture in our season. If we’d have won that game, we’d have been in the top six.

“Then we had massive blows before Swansea with Papiss Cisse being withdrawn and Yohan Cabaye’s injury. I’m not going to get too down about it at the minute.

“I still believe in this side. I still believe it’s a very good side when I put it out there. But the guys who are in and around the squad need to step up now and prove they’re good enough.”

Next up is Stoke City on Wednesday, and there’s no doubt that our next win, which we hope will come as soon as possible, will take immense pressure off the side and the players, and that will help the lads regain their confidence.

One final thought – we wonder how long it will be before Yohan Cabaye can return from his groin operation?

The sooner the better,  so we can get more class into the Newcastle line-up, and we already know Ben Arfa will be back within a couple of weeks from his slight hamstring strain.

Howay the Lads!!

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154 comments so far

  • G

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    Comment #1

    One point better off, but playing at least 4 points worse in my opinion.

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  • rainrix

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    Comment #2

    ….And still putting the blame on the squad! Come on pards just accept a little responsibility and we can all move on 🙂

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    Comment #3

    G

    I think mark hughes did well at blackburn and fulham, just didnt get the best from QPR and man city.

    He might be the type of manager who does well with players he already has and building slowly but struggles to knit together a bunch of players who all arive at once.

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  • G

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    Comment #4

    Incidentaly, has anybody hear if Steven Taylor is out injured with the Hamstring? Or was his withdrawal a precaution?

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  • Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    Comment #5

    Sounding like a beaten spiv.

    To merely match CHs opening 16 game points tally, which resulted in him been sacked, the team has to gain 5pts from the next 3 games.

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  • G

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    Comment #6

    TS, you could say Hughes did incredibly well with Wales at international level too? I still wouldn’t want him running my club mate.

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  • alex84

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    Comment #7

    Rotanda – agreed, we do need extra bodies (quality) to help this paper thin squad, But we need the style of play and Pardew has to really look at himself as a coach and admit his style of direct football has been found out! he needs to try and get with the times and modern day football as he has turned us into a predictable boring BIG Sam team.

    What I can’t understand is he talks of controlling the game, now how can he bang on about that on and on, when we dont keep possession of the ball , not because we cant but because Pardew wants the transition from defense to attack in one long direct pass to the forward, which then turns possession to 50-50 which we lose coz we can’t hold the ball up, We need to link up the play all round the pitch.

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  • mattyNUFC

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    Comment #8

    repost (thanks to transfer sage who has simply confirmed the inevitability that HBA has suitors lining up in January)

    us labelled pessimists brought up that without a good season this year, right now, we stood the very real chance of losing some of our best players

    it seems to be unfolding that way. ok, we didn’t get the investment we all wanted, what a lot of us felt was requisite to keep us punching with the big boys, but it’s a bit comical how it’s all unravelling now

    i think i’m cracking. I really don’t think i can stand AP too much longer, but his sacking wouldn’t resolve anything. the owner will not change so we need a real, actual, experienced MD and a manager with a set of f****** balls to stand up to him and the owner and say ‘look, this is what we need’

    to all nufc fans buying the excuses about the injuries and suspensions that pards has been spewing for weeks: don’t you ever forget he was as happy as anyone on deadline day not to ‘lose anyone’ at the last minute, and that our squad was well-equipped to deal with the demands of four competitions

    i still believe that, he’s the one that doesn’t all of a sudden

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  • Big Pappa Cissé

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:33 PM

    Comment #9

    Scary stuff

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  • mattyNUFC

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    Comment #10

    G

    think he’s out for a few weeks

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  • seancavaz

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    Comment #11

    Repost:

    What’s noticeable is panic and heads dropping….now whether that’s confidence or something else who knows, but the average players are just that ATM and our star players just don’t appear to be interested, again why? Who knows. There needs to be a realisation soon though, that unless we pull our socks up and man up then a season of promise could well be a disaster. 442 just doesn’t suit us, the players we have are technically good, yet the need to panic and punt the ball to the front two, neither of whom could trap wind ATM, is frightening! A solid 3 in centre mid surely had to be the answer, even if its just to get a foot hold of a game, pass n move, once we can hold the ball, then these short passes and confidence surely will come back into the game, meaning the opposition running around wasting energy and creating holes for our players to exploit. Another note, Krul has been poor, again is that confidence or too much gone to his head, knowing if he plays crap he’ll still be picked? Maybe drop him for stoke and give him a reality check? N Williamson, he’s played so much, and all credit to him, but it’s starting to show, ball watching, loose passes, I mean stoke are going to pepper our box all game, are you confident the panic clearances are gonna go? At stoke maybes introduce a sweeper? Williamson and perch with colo sweeping? Who knows, but Pardew if you’re reading this, and I’m leaving myself open to insult, I trust you will get the best out of what we have and things will turn around….lets just hope it’s sooner rather then later

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  • G

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    Comment #12

    Thanks Matty.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    Comment #13

    matty

    I have just confirmed rumours…not confirmed that he will be off in jan or that even an officialy bid will be made…so no need to panic at all.

    G

    why don’t you like mark hughes? i’m just curious.

    Alex

    I think we need to follow spurs or everton’s model. If Ashley wont spend a lot of money in the summer out of his own or the clubs bank (which is fair enough) he needs to look at selling a player to fund another 2/3/4 and trust carr’s judgement.

    Spurs have done it with berbatov, carrick and modric

    Everton with lescott and rodwell.

    And before people complain, I have always advocated this….get players cheap, on long contracts, sell if a very good offer comes in (like carroll) and strengthen right away…not a season or 2 later so you can save 1 or 2 million

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  • mattyNUFC

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #14

    TS

    ok, maybe i should have said rumour, but any NUFC would be deluded to think there won’t be real offers either in january or in the summer

    he deserves so much more than we can give him right now, and that’s the really sad bit

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  • G

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    Comment #15

    Fair question TS. I think tactically MH is still very naive, and his management style reminds me very much of Kenny Dalglish (i.e. Football has changed since his playing days, but his tactics and formations haven’t). The big reason I don’t want him though is quite simple. Its gut feeling, just the unexplainiable feeling that he would be completely the wrong man for the job for us.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    Comment #16

    G

    Fair enough. I think he is a good manager in terms of gettin the best out of average/good players but struggles with top players.

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  • check the toastie

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #17

    Wish people would relax, its all about Stability, 8 more years, wooohooooo.

    I think Pardew is a good motivator of players iniitially and thats why they give him everything for a while, however he lacks any vision in how he wants his team to play, Bringing Shola on every time we need a goal, just proves that his PlanB is always go long from back to front quickly.

    I think the players have sussed him out as being a charlatan, and full of shit basically. And he has clearly lied to a number fo them on how he likes the game to be played,

    The constant preference of Raylor and Sammy over BenArfa was unreal last year, and ity wasnt resolved until Raylor got injured. The good football we played was despite Pardew not in anyway because of him.

    Totally Clueless, check out his CV if you want evidence.

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  • check the toastie

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    Comment #18

    And yes, i wouldnt actually blame BenArfa for leaving if there was an offer, currently he is being let down by the manager regards his role in the side (Simpsons Babysitter), and how the manager is setting up the team.

    Love the lad, he is responsible for the best 2 individual goals i have ever seen at St James Park, also witnessed by my young un, Good luck Benny were ever you take your undoubted brilliance.

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  • G

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    Comment #19

    ctt, it’s just a rumour mate, besides, I heard the same rumour all summer long, and nothing happened.

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  • ShaveyD

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    Comment #20

    Cut and pasted from Sky Sports Football.

    This lad has it bang on.

    bobbybee says November 25, 2012 8:00pm

    This is quickly turning into a frightening situation. Thought it couldn’t get worse, but it has. Can’t pass, can’t shoot, can’t tackle, no movement and confidence totally shot at. In a previous post I mentioned trips we suffered to Wrexham and Hereford etc and I’m suddenly having flashbacks!! However, it does nobody any good reminding Pardew he should have done this or that in the summer. He wanted to buy, the owner and Llambias wouldn’t let him. That’s gone and we must look forward because we can’t change it now. He’s going to buy and we’ve got the best scouting system looking for targets for January. I know it’s horrible to watch right now, but we’ve got to get behind the team, no matter how hard it is. The word ‘loyalty’ has always been synonymous with Newcastle and if ever a team needed to know we’re with them, it’s this one and the time is now. Let’s not beat about the bush, we’re garbage right now, but at least we do know this team can play good football – unlike that lot across the water! Desert the team now and the damage could be terminal. Bite the bullet and prove we’re the loyalest supporters the world has ever had, by turning up in force next Monday night and giving the team 100% backing as only we can. The players are probably as baffled as we are as to how we’ve sunk so low – it’s beyond belief that this is the same team – and they need us now more than ever. Most other clubs want us to fail and want to see a half empty stadium – don’t give them the satisfaction. Yes, we are rubbish now, but we’re still the Toon Army and we’ve seen worse if we’re honest – albeit a long time ago. Supporting Newcastle isn’t just about winning – it’s a way of life. HTL!!!

    Come on my black and white brothers, unite and roar on the team!!! Pardew aint going anywhere any time soon and I for one think we’ll be ok we’re going through a rocky patch sure but things will turn and we have to believe that. Getting on our lads cases and booing people, did that ever make anyone try harder??? Encouragment is whats needed and a willingness to pull in the same direction so lets get on the same side.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    Comment #21

    Ian toon

    When one person complains, you can let that slide, but when it’s closer to 90% of the blog who are less than enamoured with the antics of our silver supremo you kind of need to shut the f..k up, stop calling people idiots and garbage and listen and respect other people’s points of view, because frankly what you say doesn’t really offer anything except getting a sore arse sitting on that fence. Is that pithy enough for you ?

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  • Papi_Demba

    Nov 26, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    Comment #22

    We have an Average manager with a rigid brain and thinks that he is right and has a bag full of excuses….yaaawwwwn…did the same as WHU 1 good season and then the poo hit the fan.

    When he sleeps he thinks BA and CISSE can play together in a 4-4-2 and that HBA is a winger. He sees Jonas last season and fails to see he’s out-of-form.

    I really dislike Pardew with a passion and u can blame player’s performance all u want but these guys may just b realising they are just working with a numpty and have lost hope. When u decide to build a house before the rain ensure the roof is in place in time for the rain. Pardew here just waits to blame the builders

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    Comment #23

    shavey d

    I will cheer the lads on every game i am at no matter who is in charge.

    However I think questions needs to be asked of pardew and the players.

    Between them they are udnerperfoming and need to up their game.

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  • catchy in norway

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM

    Comment #24

    check the toastie

    if there are some of us on here who spotted this was going to happen a long time ago, i think some of the players will have to

    he has said since he got here, we never got our passing game going today, the players train every day with him and it has never looked like they ever practice keeping the ball or passing it,,

    i dont care what anyone thinks of me, but his love affair with obertan, shola, perch , simpson, will cost him his job, he is sticking with players with little to no ability, and leeting good players just watch, that must be so dis heartinging for

    i dont think he has the squad with him at all

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  • Visten

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM

    Comment #25

    Make no difference when Cabs is back as he has been dross this season. However this is not his fault. He is not suited to a 4-4-2 formation, ffs Pardew why can you not see this? Look we can’t defend so at very least let out attacking players play in their best positions to at least have an equaliser in game. People may say well we switched to 4-3-3 before and it did not work and they would be right but that is because we are not training in this formation day in and day out in training session like we were last season.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM

    Comment #26

    mark hughes would hardly be an improvment. another british manager who’s never won anything and has a dour defensive style. Mancini very quickly showed what a good manager with unlimited funds can do.

    I would love a foreign manager but who is used to the english game, ie martinez, Di matteo, Laudrup or Solksjaer.

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  • G

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:08 PM

    Comment #27

    RH, from that list I would only really go for Solksjaer, not really taking anything away from the other 3, just gut feeling isn’t there for them either.

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  • warwick

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    Comment #29

    Dramatic headline imo.
    Yeh we are one point better off but the whole set up of the club is a million times better than THAT season.
    Talking about relegation at this stage is helping no one associated with club; fans, managers/players etc.

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  • Ian Toon

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    Comment #30

    Rotonda- At least I am expanding your vocabulary if nothing else.
    When things go wrong the soft option is blame, it’s human nature. If you were to take the trouble the same thing happened with the demise of Sir Bobby. Then it was that he had lost the dressing room and couldn’t manage the younger players , largely Bellamy. Blogs and so called interest groups on blogs got the weight of opinion against him. In any event I question your 90% assertion because less pro blog when the bully boys come out – it’s the pied piper syndrome. Many fans feel intimidated and don’t stick their head above the parapet .
    I still believe your energy would be better expended on supporting the team.

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    Comment #31

    So where are in terms of our game on Wednesday away against Stoke?

    …Colo is back that’s it right?

    …Do we think Pardew has been shaken a bit (maybe he is starting to see the problem; as I have said before sometimes you cannot see the forest for the trees)

    Explanation: A person accused of being unable to see the forest may want to take a step back from the situation, to regain a wider perspective on a problem.

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  • warwick

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    Comment #32

    We are in a rut and need to stick together to get out of it. I trust the manager right now, you have to after getting manager of the season.
    Keep the faith, the negativity is creeping back in and it always results in the toons demise, check the past.
    Rotunda has been on pards back even last season so its clear that he has no interest in seeing him get us out of this predicament.

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  • Ian Toon

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    Comment #33

    Rotonda- I didn’t call you an idiot. If you misrepresent you lose all credibility that you might have.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    Comment #34

    Ian

    How are you?

    I am beginning to wonder if pardew can turn this around? I have a gut feeling he can but nothing more.

    It seems he is following his normal patern with clubs…a goo year followed by a poor year and then ultimately a sacking.

    Not sure if he will be sacked here, or if maybe after the poor year may come a good year and then growing success. We wont be able to tell until it happens.

    I hope he is given til the end of the year, as long as we aren’t in the drop zone anytime.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:43 PM

    Comment #35

    warwick

    I dont want pardew out either..think he can still turn it around, all is not lost.

    What I will say though is people like rotonda and catchy have never liked pardew and been consistent. They didn’t think him or his style would advance the club long term, whether it’s right or wrong unless he is given 4/5 years we will never know if he could or couldn’t turn it around.

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  • warwick

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    Comment #36

    Yeh being consistent in the dislike of a manger who got us 5th in the league last years shows some sort of personal bias over the interests of the club.

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  • warwick

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:48 PM

    Comment #37

    They have been waiting in the wings for the wheels to fall off. Were on a shocking run but it can happen to teams who aren’t elite in the field.
    Fact is when things are going well they are never to be seen but a few losses and they are out in force, thats what gets my goat.
    I don’t think anybody associated with the club is happy right now and we realise the manager and players have to step up to the plate.
    Tbh stoke will be tough and I can’t see us getting point until colo or ben arfa are back on the field but I live in hope for a miracle.

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  • G

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    Comment #38

    The Stoke game is going to be very tough, the style of play they have means they will give us no time on the ball, and as we can’t string 3 passes together with a bit of time on the ball, it doen’t look good. The worst thing is about it, is that Michael Owen is fit for the game, so may appear of the bench. Given recent history, I think I have a feeling how that one will end.

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  • fray bentos

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    Comment #39

    Regarding Ben arfa potentually going

    Let’s be honest here, he’s that good technically that he was always likely to be bought off one of the big teams whether we had a good season or not. Despite his ability by all accounts he’s an unlikeable person, a team isn’t built around one player and as long as we get plenty of money then that’s fine with me aslong as that money is well spent which is akways going to be the biggest issue

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  • Ian Toon

    Nov 26, 2012 at 1:53 PM

    Comment #40

    Rotonda- With your philosophy if you win Pardew gets sacked and the club gets relegated. You always go for the populist pap” The silver supremo” it’s just tabloid nonsense. Your fixated on formations and systems. You cannot blame the manager for the ever diminishing squad as he was let down by a lack of investment. We’re to dependent on a few players who at present are either injured or under performing.
    The prospects are not as good as Beefman and a few others believe.
    I share Tads view that once we get a few additional signings that Fergi
    Sami should go out on loan to learn their trade. Your contention that
    Pardew is a failure at 51 because he hasn’t won anything is plain daft.
    NB- that doesn’t mean I am calling you daft.

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