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We’re Worried, Of Course We’re Worried

9:24 am, Monday, November 26th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 123 Comments

Alan Pardew has admitted that both he and the players are worried about our recent form, after we have taken only a single point out of our last four league games against sides below us in the Premier League, and games which Alan Pardew had hoped to take quite a few points from those games and move up the league table.

Alan Pardew – we are worried

That has not happened, and instead we’ve gone plummeting down he league table,  and are now only 4 points about the relegation zone, but only 7 points from the position we finished in the league last year – 5th place.

Alan Pardew talked after the game:

“We’re worried, of course we’re worried, because we are Newcastle United and we’ve really got that dressing room to take into Wednesday night.” “It’s not like we can add four or five players from the squad into that group.”

“That is our group and they have been soundly beaten and are going to another tough place.” “We have three days to try and lift the team to try and get ready for another tough game.”

“I am looking forward to the next game and hopefully performing better for our fans.” “They came a long, long way and they are the greatest set of fans in the country, in my opinion.”

“Perhaps we need them more than we did last year because the team really needs a lift.”

We need some luck and could have easily score early in the second half when the score was just 1-0, but we also need to make our own luck, and now’s the time to get on with the game and cut out the excuses.

Alan Pardew is starting to remind me of Graeme Souness, although he’s not as bad, and Graeme seemed to have an excuse for everything when he was manager at Newcastle, but the injuries to the players finally did him in, and he was sacked in early February of 2006, after only a short 17 months as the Newcastle manager.

And to think – after Graeme took over form Bobby Robson in September of 2004, he won eight of the first 10 games in charge and drew the other two – but he still didn’t last long in the job.

We’re sure John Carver will be telling Alan today to cut out the excuses he is making in public, and Alan and the other coaches have to get on with it – and try to inspire the players somehow to start playing well – and winning again.

We live in hope.

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123 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Indian Magpie // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:28 AM

    Repost

    Jesper @ 9

    Surely he meant in terms of playing, and what is that lemon crew does exactly?

  • 2 jeff // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:29 AM

    ok i think it is honestly time pardew builds the team around ben arfa. he needs to accept that ben arfa is our most valuable player and is our messi / ronaldo. if ben arfa wants to leave in january, i will be heartbroken and if he moves to arsenal i might even begin supporting them.

    the reality is ben arfa is leagues ahead of any of our other players and needs to play in a position that suits him best. in my opinion, this is our best line-up:

    krul
    simpson – saylor – colo – santon
    —————– tiote
    ——- anita — cabaye – marveaux
    —————– BENNY
    —————– ba

    ba > cisse because he holds up the ball better and plays better with his back against the goal. ben arfa and ba are also good friends so should link up nicely. reasonably flat midfield three with tiote cleaning up the scraps. anita and marv are both capable of playing in the centre letting our wingers push up. maybe marv would be better on the other side as marv + santon seems a bit fragile defensively.

    ben arfa needs to play the 10 role and he is the key to anything we will achieve this season

  • 3 rainrix // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:29 AM

    They have been beaten soundly? Not to jump on the hate bandwagon, i think the players are at fault to a degree, but pards has to except some responsibility as well, something i don’t see him doing as he never does.

    The set up yesterday was all wrong, marv really deserved a start after Thursday and would actually bring a bit of pace something most of the team doesn’t have.

  • 4 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:30 AM

    Indian…the lemon crew is sort of a leisure for some of the bloggers, when all else fails and there is nothing relevant to talk about…

    …we talk nonsens and out of that the lemon crew was born (maybe a bit like the OV thing without the chaos) It’s just a prank really :)

  • 5 thebionicMAG // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:32 AM

    “We’re worried, of course we’re worried, because we are Newcastle United…”

    Yeah thats exactly why I’m worried because we are Newcastle United and this crap always seems to be the case with us. 1 step forward 10 steps back.

    I posted a comment a month or so back saying we would only get a few points from our next 5 or 6 games. I hoped I was wrong…sadly I was right.

    Is there a way of pin point searching past posts as I would like to see if my predictions of actual scores were right?

  • 6 Indian Magpie // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:38 AM

    Jesper,

    Leisure from blogging, i thought blogging was leisure

  • 7 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:41 AM

    Has anyine seen the movie ‘The Five Obstructions’ by Danish filmmakers Lars von Trier and Jørgen Leth? The film is a documentary and the premise is that Lars von Trier has created a challenge for his friend and mentor, Jørgen Leth, another filmmaker. Von Trier gives Leth the task of remaking ‘The Perfect Human’ five times, each time with a different ‘obstruction’ (or obstacle) given by von Trier.

    …maybe something similar could be a task for Pardew; How to remark our team with different obstructions or obstacle if you will.

    1. Don’t play Cisse and Ba side by side

    2. Have to be dominant in MF. If not, then at least be able to keep possession and don’t give away possession.

    3. Benny needs to be in a position where to puts pressure on the opposition.

    4. There most only be a certain distance between the different banks

    5. At all time should there be at least three players in the box

  • 8 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:41 AM

    Indian….not leisure from blogging, but leisure for bloggers :D

  • 9 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:43 AM

    …or something like that :D

  • 10 Indian Magpie // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:46 AM

    Today i am sad, very sad, if i got any sadder i will know how does it feel to be a mackem :cry:

  • 11 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:47 AM

    Indian…how come you are sad today?

  • 12 Indian Magpie // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    last night’s result

  • 13 WWYCD // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:50 AM

    When was the last time there was no real northern teams in the PL?

  • 14 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:52 AM

    Yo….when you say no real northern team, who are we excluding? :D lol

  • 15 mindshaft // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:54 AM

    So he should be worried, the team are not performing at all, squad is threadbare on quality
    Can’t see us getting anything at Stoke and can easily see us slipping into relegation zone especially given results thus far against ‘lesser teams’
    We simply have no midfield and our central partnership of Taylor and Willo is probably the worst in the league

  • 16 catchy in norway // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:54 AM

    is he sacked yet?

    he is asking all the wrong questions to the wrong ppl

    he should be asking the players to lift the crowd
    he should be asking himself why do i pick jonas
    he should be asking himself can BA Cisse work
    he should be asking himself how can i get them to work

    southamton flooded our box when ther attcked,

  • 17 WWYCD // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:55 AM

    Jesper
    Anything north of the fake ‘north’ of manchester haha

  • 18 Papi_Demba // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:58 AM

    Pardew is as ordinary a manager as they come not a world class manager. Warnock even better IMO and i hate Warnock. Getting the job through links to the club not on Merit. Gets lucky yes i said it luck to finish 5th and gets arrogant. You know good and well you are in Europa and and you know you need depth but hang on u dont strengthen coz you’ll need an excuse under your sleeve in case of injuries.

    If Pardew needs 5 years to realise he CANT play BA and Cisse together the way he does then we’ll be lucky to even finish top 10. He is a ‘Single-Minded’ rigid numpty who has no plan b and too proud to accept his failure and jus relies on luck and excuses if u ask me. Everyone with a brain in the WORLD can see that Hatem-Ben-Awesome should be our number 10 except for Pardew. He plays him on the wing and i think we’ve drawn and lost games we could have won had he been used correctly.

    Jonas isnt in form period and BA was falling over like humpty

  • 19 Indian Magpie // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:58 AM

    is leeds north

  • 20 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:58 AM

    Yo…I would actually like to have the Smoggies back in PL (maybe even Leeds)

    …then we don’t have to travel so far :)

  • 21 JDdubai // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:58 AM

    Pards has put together a team that has no pace at all, even when everyone is fit the first choice 11 are slow. As Soton showed yesterday even they understand playing with 3 men behind a CF and having pace in the attack will work.

    We are in a relegation scrap now and with 8 more games before the window opens(not that we will do anything until the very end anyway) then we could easily be deep in the relegation zone by the time we can get reinforcements.

    The side he could have put out yesterday should still have been good enough to either win or at least show some kind of fight and ability on the ball. The players dont seem to have a clue how to pass and move, been the same all season. Its not like we have a team of spazzers in the team, the majority who played yesterday are internationals and the reason needs to be found as to why they dont play like internationals for us.

    Sorry for those who blindly keep saying we will turn it round next game, but iv been hearing that all season and every match gets worse and worse and the fact is that there is nothing to back up any claims that things will get better in the near future other than blind loyalty which was what everyone was doing in our relegation season and how did that turn out……

    Last season seems a long way away :(

  • 22 WWYCD // Nov 26, 2012 at 9:58 AM

    Also is Colo back against Stoke?

  • 23 WWYCD // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:01 AM

    I’d love the smoggies back in our league! Would like Leeds around as well

  • 24 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:02 AM

    Yo…I think Colo will be back for the Stoke game :)

  • 25 wynsleap // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:03 AM

    “It’s not like we can add four or five players into that group”
    Should have been done in the Summer mate.
    You knew it, the players knew it and, more importantly, the fans knew it.
    Pity you didn’t tell your tightwad, unambitious, uncaring, boss instead of making pathetic excuses for him at the time.
    The words ‘roost home chickens coming to’ springs to mind but not necessarily in that order.

  • 26 WWYCD // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:07 AM

    Jesper
    Thank god for that he was a mug to get sent off against Liverpool our defence have looked a shell since, Taylor can’t lead a back line imo plus he’s crocked now

  • 27 Colo-Sus // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:07 AM

    Pardew is not using Excuses…He is stating facts:

    After his first 11, the backup is simply not very good, or too young and inexperienced. Its FACT!

    Here is a short evaluation of each player in our squad:

    Krul: Very good GK, still developing.
    Harper: Too old, poor reflexes, time to retire.
    Elliott: Have not seen enough looked better this season.

    We are ok in the GK dept,

    Colo: Our best defender by some distance

    Saylor: IMO hugely over-rated, get away with it from fans due to his effort. Poor decsion maker, poor positional play, lost without Colo.

    Wilo- Very average all round player, not a threat at corners etc, plays well very to infrequently.

    Santon: Very talented going forward, but also very very predicatble, had no left foot for a left back!

    Simpson: Average in all areas. bobby average.

    Summary: WELL WELL, look at that it would seem we are in dore need of a quality CB and a new RB………What an intersting conlusion.

    Perch: Good solid backup for Tiote, game closer thats all he should be in the squad for.

    Anita: has been thrown in at the deep end through injuries, had he had the same sheltered start as Santon he may have looked better. I think he has a good future but needs time we dont have at present.

    Jonas: As much as i like the guy and he has been a good player for us, HE IS SHOT, be realistic guys, we have another Geremi here, his legs have gone, falls over almost every time he gets possesion or gives it away. shoudl be sold in Jan imo.

    Cabaye: A quality player lacking a bit of form and confidence, not worried about him, apart from him being sold.

    HBA: Same as above

    Tiote: Same as above, apart form he seems to have lost confidence too, needs help in there.

    Bigi: talent, but not readu for first team yet imo, deciosn makign isnt the best.

    Vuckic: Sick note
    Gosling: As above

    Sammy: A slighlty better version of Shola ewhen he was young,. Forced into situations hes not ready for.

    Abeid: Not sure what the crach there is?

    Marveaux: Looks to be improving now fit, looks liek he needs a rocket up his backside mind! Does not display any fight whatsoever, never looks to bothered.

    Obertan: Decent Squady
    Amalfitano: Reserve at mo
    fergie: Potential, but not prem ready yet, cups and europa…Another example of pardews hand being forced..NOT AND EXCUSE

    Summary:

    We need, a good backup or rotation for Cabaye…..SISSOKHO screams ideal fit. We also need another winger.

    Cisse: Utter dross, terrible movement off the ball, does not look accross the line, runs in straight lines. offers nothign to the midfield. Last season was great but id we had the luxury Id serious;y put him in the reserves for a bit and sort out his off the ballplay as its shockingly bad.

    BA: need to work on is bloody forst touch, but as class palyer who will also come good

    Shola: In the squad for two games per season v the unwashed. keep on that Basis

    Shock horror we need a Striker

    We need a Shane Long esq player with some pace.

  • 28 The_Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:08 AM

    4-3-3 or 4-4-2 we just don’t have the players for those formations!
    4-3-3 reasons are;
    1. Requires full backs with technical and crossing abilities and therefore Simpson just doesn’t fit
    2. when we speak about 3 up front, the three players need to have the ability to rotate between each other (i.e Any one of them could be on the left/right or center) therefore Cisse wouldn’t fit because he has proven to play only in center positions, however Ba should be fine along with HBA.
    3. You need three creative players in the middle with defensive abilities (Tiote, Anita and Cabaye) which I feel that the more the play together the better we will get.
    Moving to he 4-4-2;
    1. Same reason as the first
    2. You need you’re four midfielders to track back for 90 minutes and this will work against HBA unless he had the stamina of Guti!
    3. The two up front have to be different in styles, Cisse and BA just aren’t and that is why Ba plays better with Shola on.
    Conclusion is very simple, get Debuchy for simpson, Andy carroll to fit into a 4-4-2 formation and an attacker that can play in a 4-3-3 formation and finally a center back (douglas) for cover.

  • 29 JDdubai // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:13 AM

    Can someone not send Pards an email or paint it on the ground…442 does not effing work!!!!!!

    Krul
    Simmo-Saylor-Colo-Santon
    Tiote-Anita
    Obertan-Marveaux-Sammy
    Ba

    Or even if we are expecting a high ball onslaught…

    Krul
    Saylor-Willo-Colo
    Santon-Tiote-Anita-Fergie
    Jonas-Marveaux
    Ba-

    A la Wigan, width from the kids, solid in the middle. If we know we are playing crap and not creating then at least we should be trying to be a lot tougher to get through than we were yesterday.

  • 30 rainrix // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:13 AM

    Colo… Whats annoying is that he wont accept any responsibility, i think if he just held up his hands once in a while and said ” fair enough i got it wrong today or i set us up wrong” but he doesn’t he always try bring something up like oh they were too intense for us.

    fair enough our squad is thin atm but its still better than most teams, pards got his game plan all wrong yesterday and has the last 4 games and yet wont admit any wrong doing, The quote up there is a perfect example. “My dressing room got soundly beaten” not we got soundly beaten, they got soundly beaten that just sounds like shifting the blame to me

  • 31 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:17 AM

    I have been toying the the though lately if you can play 3-4-3 in the Premier league?

    …if so, with our lack of defenders and Pardew’s reluctance to drop either Ba or Cissé, maybe 3-4-3 could be a solution.

    Benny of course have to drop down a bit at times, but it would be great I think against 4-4-2 teams. Teams that play with players between lines can cause us problems, but we just need to work on that.

    Just a thought!

  • 32 Colo-Sus // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:18 AM

    Truth is our average players are being exposed this season, everyone around us strengthened properly in the summer, we didnt, LUNANCY! more games to play….just lunancy.

    I refuse to believe there is no money there…

    In my view this is our best availabale team in formataion:

    ===============Krul==============
    Santon======Colo===Willo======Anita
    =========Perch======Tiote=========
    Jonas==========Marv=========Fergie
    ==============Ba=================

  • 33 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:19 AM

    Colo-Sus..our players are noot more average than any other team outside the top 6!

  • 34 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:20 AM

    Formations are not the problems.

    For whatever reason the team is not motivated. This is where pardew and his man management skills he rightly got praise for last year need to kick in.

    Get the lads together. All fighting for every point.

    At the moment it looks like the players are turning up not bothered if they win or lose.

  • 35 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:20 AM

    *not

  • 36 davybtoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:21 AM

    I was on here yesterday defending pardew no more will I do that, while he is making these pathetic excuses, when will he except some of the blame bcoz it’s not all him the players aren’t performing, yesterday was a shambles yet again he got his formation wrong from the start n his team selection we started 442 by half time we were 451 n 2nd half we were 4231 which is what we should b anyway.
    When will he learn ba n cisse don’t work together no matter what formation u play
    When will he learn n the fans that Jonas should b no were near the team
    For 2 seasons now ppl have been saying ferguson is a winger well he’s not he’s better at left back use him there n drop Simpson

  • 37 ArtyH // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:21 AM

    That game yesterday was a joke, the saints were all over us, we were just not up for it. Every time there was a loose ball they attacked it like tigers, we could not or did not match them in that department, they gained in confidence from that. Hey they could have got a hat full, a good goal chalked offside ( NOT ) and all the woodwork saves, disappointing to say the least. Is it tactics or have the team lost confidence?

  • 38 davybtoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:23 AM

    And he’s already making excuses for stoke ffs pardew were only missing cabs n benny, is he gonna moan we played Sunday so wear tired

  • 39 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:23 AM

    Colo

    Agree about the money.

    But it’s not even spending big. Why don’t we look at free transfers who were available like Diame or cheap players like michu who would have all added to the squad.

    We desperately need 2 defenders and a forward/winger with genuine pace

  • 40 rainrix // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM

    Jesper… Something like this?

    Krul
    Perch saylor colo
    santon jonas/fergie
    tiote Cabaye
    HBA
    Ba cisse

    Could work i suppose might be a bit narrow i suppose but we could go through the middle more to compensate

    The last time we tried that was against wigan, and we lost 4 0 :)

    Although that was pards fault that time, he tried to match their formation and it didn’t work, wether it could work against other sides is a mystery, although i doubt pards will ever be that inventive tbh

  • 41 davybtoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM

    Krul is class but that’s 3 goals he’s cost us in 2 games 2 of them from his kicking

  • 42 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:26 AM

    Of believe Europa made us tired if we disnt end games better.

    We start slow then go for it too late in the last ten mins.

    Fair do if we started well then tired but we start slowly every single game.

  • 43 Colo-Sus // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:26 AM

    Rainrix

    Thats the thing though, at the minute our sqaud is NOT better than most teams.

    The point I was making is that our backup players are not good enough or too young,

    With a fully fit sqaud last seaosn Pardew got us to 5th and was manager of the year, there have been times he has accepted responsiblity for expamle when we were beaten by West Brom, he took the blame as a bad tactical decision to set us up the way he did, also against Everton away ehen we drew but were utterly outplayed.

    Pardew needs support, he needs players fit but more than anything he needs MA and DL to go and get him 5 players in Jan, and stop pissing around trying to get 10% off lol!

    We need a

    RB
    CB
    CM
    LW
    ST

    And they need to be players who have abit of experience. Pref premier league

  • 44 rainrix // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:27 AM

    That didn’t come out like i wanted :) basically back 3 of perch saylor and colo, santon and fergie as wing backs, tiote and maybe cabaye holding depending on how the game is going, HBA in the hole and ba and cisse up top, whew!

  • 45 The_Toon // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:27 AM

    We need tall players to defend against Stoke city:
    Tim
    Guti——————Willo——Collo——-Santon
    Marv or HBA if fit–Tiote—-Perch———-Sami
    BA–Ranger/Shola If fit

  • 46 RonVanDam // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:28 AM

    If Pardew gets the sack, i think i’ll apply for his role. Im pretty good on Fifa Manager eh :)

  • 47 davybtoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:28 AM

    Ffs stop talking about spending money, u don’t need to spend big to improve like transfer has just said we should of got diame (oh yea wise fans think we don’t need a big powerhouse in dm WE DO), we should of got michu 2m, de Guzman n Hernandez on the cheap all quality, benteke 5m, clynne yesterday free was class

  • 48 davybtoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:29 AM

    If the players aren’t fit to play twice n 4 days then the training is wrong

  • 49 yorkymag // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:31 AM

    Just read the telegraph
    Ashley interested in buying a stake in house of Fraser
    Looks like he is really worried about the plight of his beloved team

  • 50 Colo-Sus // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    Jesper

    our first choice players I agree are top 6 quality, but simply put our first reserves so to speak are not good enough!

    The likes of west brom, everton etc have got it right with plenty of backup with experience too, I think we need a few older heads in the team, Id kill for Nolan and dare I say it Barton back right now!

    Sage

    Agree, Players like Diame are exactly what we need… he was a free with prem experience, no brainer and a body in the squad

    Dont get me wrong i like the fact we are financially sound, and that we invest in youth and value etc….its fantastic, but you also need that experience and quality in the first team squad so the young lads can develop properly.

    MAN U are the perfect example of Steady and gradual intergration, of youth team players into the first team…..beacuse we didnt invest properly in the summer Paardew has had no choice but to play young lads who at the stage are not ready for it

  • 51 stuart no9 // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    pardew said he is worried. that its self is worrying! you dont normally hear that from a manager. reading his article before the soton game , we were beaten before we came out the dressing room . no confidence at all. he mentioned the game on thursday , and how tired they were, and the fact soton had lots of time to prepare for the game. he was already priming us for a defeat. npw to say he is worried , tells me he dosnt know what to do. that tells me he should resign to make way for someone who can sort this mess out- and it is a mess. so come on alan – think of the club and the fans – RESIGN. you dont know what your doing. FACT.

  • 52 davybtoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    Marveux should b in starting 11 simple as that, we should b seeing amalfitano from bench not sammi, tavernier will b class should b playing

  • 53 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:33 AM

    Rainrix…I think I’ll construct it like this:

    __________________ Krul ____________________

    ____ Saylor ________ Colo ___________ Perch ____

    Santon _______ Anita ______ Tiote ________ Fergy

    ______ Benny ______ Cissé _______ Ba _________

    Benny could also play through the middle, but the important thing is that he drops down at times. Tiote needs to bridge the defense and MF. He is not to go forward at any time. Santon and Fergy are not wingers, but left and right MF :D

    You also construct the MF as a diamond :) It’s just a thought. I have seen Napoli play like this with success, but I am not u´sure how it will work in the EPL?

  • 54 Wor Shearer // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:33 AM

    Since most teams switched to using the Barcelona style 4-3-3 we’ve been left behind. In fact our tactics look down-right old fashioned!

    The main problem I can see is that most other teams brought in players who fit the 4-3-3 system, yet we have maintained a squad designed to play against a very rigid 4-4-2. Our defenders aren’t good enough and our wingers aren’t near fast enough to defend against 3 to 5 attackers (depending how attacking their 4-3-3 system is).

    I wasn’t too bother when we sold Routeledge as I wasn’t sure he’d add very much to our squad….I was wrong. With his pace and tenacity I can see how he fits the Swansea system perfectly, most teams have copied the Brendan Rogers game plan now (Landrup has carried it on at Swansea).

    West Ham are the team I’d say we’re closest to, tactically……which doesn’t fill me with too much happiness, but there you go. But Nolan’s still got that eagerness, strength and motivation to get forward at every opportunity and with Carroll they have a target to hit if they decide to go long-ball. Unfortunately, we have neither a Nolan nor a Carroll, which begs the question…..why re playing the same system as West Ham.

    I’d say that, atm, we have a squad that is stuck between the two systems (fluid 4-3-3 and rigid 4-4-2). IMO, we’re putting round holes in square pegs atm.

  • 55 rainrix // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:34 AM

    Colo… Fair enough but i still think that even the squad we put out yesterday should have been good enough to at least draw the last 3 games.

    Oh and we are terribly short of players as well like you said, it says a lot that when 3 players are missing we fall apart. I don’t buy this thing that pards isn’t trying hard enough to buy players, a lot of things went wrong during the window, twente and lille were being incredibly difficult with us even when we matched their asking prices
    although we really should have had back ups lined up as well.

  • 56 davybtoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:36 AM

    Stuart – I don’t think he should resign but I am very worried by the stuff he is saying nothing is positive its always negative

    I don’t want pardew out YET but if he did go only one person I would want in that’s roberto Martinez

  • 57 Colo-Sus // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:37 AM

    Rainrix

    Its not up to Pardew to try hard to buy players….he has said on many occasions that what happens is that Carr has a list and then LC and DL got to the clubs and try and do the deals.

    You are right, when Debuchy fell through we should have had a backup, same with douglas and de jong

  • 58 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:38 AM

    Colo-Sus…we probably are a bit thin in experience. We do need 2-3 players, but that’s nothing new.

    …last season we got 5th with Saylor out for the season, Benny not really playing a part before February and Cissé not signing before January and Tiote missing half of our games.

    I don’t think Pards can complain!

  • 59 alex84 // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:39 AM

    Davy, I have been reading this blog for a long time and you are always positive and i admire that, but I must agree that we can’t defend what is happening anymore, there were only 3 first teamers out yesterday, and the football is getting worse by the game, Pardew is being exposed as quite simply…average, which is a shame beacuse last season i was impressed and won over by him, but these excuses and decisions he is making are pathetic, Marv needs to get more games and we need to go back to 433

  • 60 rainrix // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:39 AM

    Jesper that looks better than mine :)

    For 3 4 3 to work you really need your WBs/wingers to be smart with the ball and not lose it out of position. Then you really need your CBs to be good in the tackle which is why id put perch and colo
    on the sides of the defence and saylor in the middle. Like you said as well tiote shouldn’t be allowed to move from DM just so that we have that extra man back.

    This is really what pre season is for, trialing new formations.

  • 61 davybtoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:39 AM

    Wor shearer I agree he’s trying to please players by giving them game time rather than picking a formation n putting the right players in I’ve said all season we should b more like this

    Krul
    Tavernier Taylor colo santon
    Anita tiote
    Hba cabaye marveux
    Ba

  • 62 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:42 AM

    Wor Shearer…that’s actually how Laudrup has always played – He hasn’t copied Brendan Rodgers.

    …Laudrup’s style is more direct (easier on the eye)

  • 63 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:44 AM

    Rainrix…I don’t know if you can pull off a 3-4-3 in the EPL? And as you say changing formation radically is something you need to test out in pre-season.

    …I am just trying to meet Pardew half way since he won’t listen :) lol

  • 64 rainrix // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:44 AM

    Colo… I know its not his job to do that, its just some people will pick faults with pardew in anything he does when things aren’t going well and I’ve seen a few comments blaming him for not buying players when like you say it isn’t his job.

    Some things that pards gets criticised for are justified some are not and transfers isn’t one that was the point i was trying to make :)

  • 65 davybtoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM

    Alex I just can’t take it anymore at first I was blaming the players bcoz no matter which we way u look at it they aren’t performing, but pardew with these excuses has pissed me right off, worst thing is he can’t see the problems we can
    1 never use 442 again
    2 never play ba n cisse in the same team
    3 never play Jonas
    4 play marveux
    5 while cabs is out he has to play tiote n perch with Anita behind ba n 2 wingers
    6 drop Simpson he’s not motivated knows he’s off
    7 play tavernier future right back would only get better with games

  • 66 rainrix // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:47 AM

    Jesper… Well i’d try it out and see how it goes but i reckon you need better players than we have to pull it off successfully.

    Oh and if pards wont compromise then set the old lemon crew on him, his sea voyages will never be safe again mwuhahahahaha :)

  • 67 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM

    davy…so you are a fan of the ‘The Five Obstructions’ as well? :D

  • 68 jimiley // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM

    No need to panic. Team needs a confidence boost. We are only 7 points off 5th. TWO WINS!!!!! We can still get 5th at end of season because the other teams are rubbish. Keep the faith in Alan.

  • 69 davybtoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:49 AM

    It’s actually not Brendan Rodgers game plan it’s roberto martinezs he got Swansea playing that way years ago n he now has Wigan getting there

  • 70 bills-son // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:52 AM

    Tiote was shocking yesterday. The total opposite of his first season with us. There was no aggressiion, no work rate, no passion – and that summed up more than one of our players.

    I think some of our players right from the start of the season have started to believe that they are £25M rated superstars who should be on £100K a week and think they can win a game just by tuerning up I’ve stuck with Pards because I believed he had the intelligence and man management ability to recognise this type of ego driven nonsense and sort it out. I’m peed off to admit he isn’t showing that leadership in his recent comments.

    The other thing we lack in a big way is leadership on the pitch. There wasn’t one player in our team shaking his fist and rallying the troops. Even when Colo plays he doesn’t do that. If ever there was a time when we needed two or three fist shakers in the team it’s now. We haven’t got one.

    I said before the game that this was far more about the character we displayed than the skill. We know our players have skill, some of them in abundance, but that skill is worthless without bottle, hard work, enthusiasm and a total commitment to the team and cause. If Pardew said anything like to them in the days before the game there are players who totally ignored him. Tiote being the most obvious.

    For the first time in a long time I was sick to the pit of my stomach watching the limp gutless displays of some of our players yesterday. And we’ve got Stoke, the biggest bunch of fist shakers in the Prem, to face next. Another performance like yesterday and it could be 6 or 7 for Stoke.

  • 71 jimiley // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:52 AM

    We would not buy Debuchy for 7 million but bought Anita for 6 million. What does that tell us?

  • 72 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:53 AM

    Rainfix…so what can we put together with what we got?

    …4-4-2 is not working (don’t have the players for that either)

    If Pards won’t bit the bullet and play Ba on the left in a 4-3-3 I don’t know what to do :)

    Sometimes it’s just like watching the movie ‘Groundhog Day’ when you watch us play – I keep asking myself when does he realize he has to change things or else the outcome will be the same and we’re are going to wake up the next day and repeat it all over again :)

  • 73 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:54 AM

    *bite

  • 74 rivettCatcher // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:56 AM

    Was at the game yesterday & it was dire.

    We can’t play a flat 442. We have 8-9 good first team players & a paper thin squad.

    Going to be a tough season if we keep 442.

  • 75 davybtoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:57 AM

    Jimiley – tells me your assuming you kno for a fact Lille wanted only 7mill when I would say they wanted a lot more, even debuchy has said we made several bids over 6mill

  • 76 WWYCD // Nov 26, 2012 at 10:59 AM

    From best manger since Sir Bobby to sack him and get the Wigan boss in within 6 months?

    Hell of a turn around

  • 77 rainrix // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM

    Jesper.. You know what they say about insanity ;)

    IMO the formation i’d play with everyone fit is this:

    ====================Krul==============================
    ======Santon======Colo======Saylor==========Fergie======

    ==================Anita====Tiote=======================

    ======================Cabaye=========================

    ==============HBA======Cisse==========Ba=============

    Basically what we played during the good run last season, only with anita in CM/DM to bridge the defence and tiote with cabye and the others. Switch cisse with marv or someone else and put ba in the centre is cisse is playing bad. Obviously not very practical atm with all the players we have out but yeah, its what i’d play.

  • 78 blaydonracist // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM

    http://www.crunchsports.com/category/Soccer/Chelsea-FC-target-Loic-Remy-available-for-10million-claims-agent-201211250018/

    if true, it is an absolute must, maybe try €12mil as then they would bite our hands off

  • 79 mattyNUFC // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM

    davyb

    agree with all of that except anita is a holding mid. he’ll never provide the creative spark we need on a regular basis

    love that shallow little cretan, blaming the players, nearly insinuating the fans are partly to blame. take some blame yourself ffs!

    and jesper,

    love the LVT comparison!

  • 80 alex84 // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:01 AM

    Im in the same boat Davybtoon, I am sick of the excuses and the fact the problems are so obvious to us fans its a joke,
    I think the players are fed up and the lack of summer recruits has effected them mentally, Pards wont start marv, he likes players who put a “shift” in not a player of skill and quality, which is why Jonas gets picked week in week out.

  • 81 stuart no9 // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:03 AM

    davyb@56- i come from a background of psychologists, even though not one myself
    .AP, as we all know is not great at post or pre match interviews, – meaning he dosnt give a true reflection of the game. depending what a manager says can , lift or deflate a team- again , it dosnt take me to tell you that. his excuses are running dry. he should never be saying to anyone “he is worried” not only are the players now worried, but that has given stoke such a massive boost- they now know what team pards will put out and how we will play coz pards ( sub conciencesly has told them. to say he is worried tells me and everybody who we play that he has no idea how we are going to sort this mess out- look- even with the players missing- does it really matter . we were bad before they got injured. pards has no plan to get out of it. go now while we are in a position to stay up. we have the players , we have no direction- fact mate.

  • 82 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:03 AM

    For anyone interested. It’s a great read and it does make me a little bit envy :)

    http://www.football365.com/f365-features/8029881/Philosophy-Is-The-Next-Best-Thing-To-Trophies

  • 83 mattyNUFC // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:04 AM

    oh jesper

    but the groundhog day reference is even better. it really is like that

    i said this last night, and i think the one thing ALL of us expected, EVERY single nufc fan, pro-pardew, anti-pardew, pro-ashley, anti-ashley, is that we all really thought that last night was the night pards changed something. he didn’t change a damn thing and that’s the worst part about this. if he had tried something inventive that gave just a hint of promise i would have thrown my hands up and said ‘well, he tried.’ he didn’t even try

  • 84 davybtoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:06 AM

    Wwycd – pardew has been the best manager since sir bobby, but all of sudden it’s like he’s lost the plot n he won’t except any responsibility for it, n I’ve said I don’t want him gone

    I said if it happened my choice would Martinez

  • 85 mattyNUFC // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:06 AM

    and alex84

    the same motive is behind why it took so long to play HBA last year. I loved his post-match interview at swansea last year when he muttered something along the lines of “i just didn’t feel this game was right for him. we needed something to unlock that defence.”

    one year on he was the only player who was providing anything resembling some sort of attack

  • 86 hotdog // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:06 AM

    Ive had a go at AP for his aftermatch comments but he called it correct yeserday not good enough end of!

    A couple of points -

    I am really impressed with the standard of football these so called lesser teams are playing. IMO there are going to be some big clubs slipping out of the premier this year.

    Secondly – All this talk of formations and how we should set up attacking wise is lost on me. We are shipping goals and look very fragile. We need to get a solid base first, stop conceding 2 or 3 goals and we should have a chance.

  • 87 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:08 AM

    Rainrix…basically you would have a 4-2-3-1 right?

    …with Benny, Cabs and Ba just behind Cissé? Cabs probably a bit further behind Benny and Ba!

  • 88 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:09 AM

    Matty…glad you like the LVT comparison ;)

  • 89 WWYCD // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:09 AM

    Davy
    Didn’t mean just u relax haha

    Can’t say I have seen him change much since last season though, same bloke with the same attitude just the fact its not working this season lucks not there, confidence isn’t there and squad isn’t there

  • 90 davybtoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    We hav a good enough squad lack of investment in the summer didn’t help but should not b used as an excuse
    The players are not performing add debuchy n Douglas to that team n it would improve bcoz there better than Simpson n willo but I don’t think would improve results bcoz the other 8/9 players hav been terrible all season

  • 91 rainrix // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    Jesper… Basically yeah, its a fluid formation, it’d be easy to drop back into a 4-5-1 a 4-3-3 or a 4-1-2-1-2 diamond or even a 4-4-2 if pards wants to induce mass rage into the fans ;)

  • 92 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    We saw this sort of gutless, lack of cutting edge display from sunderland in their last5/6 games.

    They didn’t create and didn’t look like they would.

    They may still be bad and getting beat but they took the fight to west brom.

    Something suddenly clicked for them, i’m sure pardew is working with them and I think things can be turned around.

    As I said before the points tally is disappointing but we can turn that around. We need to make sure we battle for all our points, scrappy wins will do until our better players return.

    In January Ashley has a decision to make.

    1. accept mediocrity and that we will be a mid table (at best club)

    2. buy a few players, even if slightly over the odds and back pardew

    3. sack pardew as he thinks the players are there but the manager isn’t

    He needs to do one, not just make no decision…unfortunately I think he will go with option 1 as he seems to have no desire or finances to challenge top 4 so mid table will be content for him.

  • 93 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    Matty…I wrote yesterday that after 30 min. it looked likes Pardew had given up already!

    …that really bugged me, cause at least he could try and take it serious! Gotta say I agree with you there.

  • 94 davybtoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    Wwycd – that’s the difference the players aren’t performing but pardew does need ditch 442 n quick n he needs to ditch ba or cisse n ATM it’s cisse

  • 95 mattyNUFC // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:14 AM

    sage

    we all know it’ll be the first option

  • 96 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:14 AM

    davy

    in theory adding 1 or 2 players shouldnt make a huge difference

    but you saw how much cisse’s arrival improved us.

    It gave the crowd, the city and players a huge buzz…the place was selling out, the results improved…it was special.

    Something like that could turn our season around just my mtoivating the rest of the players.

  • 97 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    hotdog…sometimes the best defense is an offense ;)

    …maybe I suggest the writings of Machiavelli and Sun Tzu!

  • 98 Rotonda heights // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    jesper

    I think 343 is for really great teams like Brazil with a sweeper and 2 hard working midfield players. It’s great to see Wigan being brave enough to try it.

    Although in reality it’s an extra defender you gain not 1 less as people think

    WWYCD

    best manager since SBR. not exactly a tough call: Souness, Allardyce, Roeder, Shearer!!

    Pardew had 1 good season when raylor got injured. benny couldn’t get a game before that and Ba agreed to play left to get him, benny and cisse all in the team.
    We were in pole position for CL before he disastrously bottled it and went back to 442 for the last 4 games

    Next best is 433 or 4231.

  • 99 Phatoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    I was at the game yesterday, I’m from Southampton (had to hide in the home fans…).

    Some things I noticed,

    Gutierrez should only ever play on the right. He does get back to help defenders but he is not a defender. He can however put in a pretty good cross from the right (deep/early crosses as opposed to getting to the by line).

    Cisse or Ba – not both. They are exactly the same player but with slight differences. Cisse kept doing some good turns then playing the ball forward but with no one to receive. If he goes out wide he will be offside….

    Anita – Quite good at making fast paced runs into the box, needs to work on his finishing as he should have scored his chance. Could be a good asset to build there.

    Tiote – Standard – “Does what he does”.

    S Taylor/Williamson – As with Ba/Cisse, they don’t work together. They need a decent commander (eg Coloccini) to guide them.

    Simpson, ok defender, nothing more than average going forward, he shouldn’t try to cross as they usually go to long or behind the goal.

    Krul – if he’s gonna rn out and kick (which is fine) then he should hit it off the pitch as the main priority. That’s twice in 2 crap kicking has directly resulted in the whole team being caught out and goal conceded.

    Santon – needs to stop complaining when he falls over, just get on with it. Alright at defending, good going forward IF he has the option to pass it to someone who can put in a left footed cross, otherwise it’s obvious what he’ll do.

    As a team we need to realise that conceding a goal isn’t the end of the world and stop falling to pieces. Both halves yesterday we looked alright and as soon as Saints scored we stopped playing alright and started misplacing passes and hoofing the ball.

    There are only 3 occasions when we can “hoof” the ball, 1) When Shola is able to flick it on to Ba
    2) When everyone is in our half and someone from out team is on the halfway line and good break.
    3) When we need to make a desperate clearence from a corner or freekick.

  • 100 davybtoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    Transfer I don’t believe Ashly wants us to b a mid table club I think he wants us to do well, but this is a case of not knowing about football, we can see we need to sign to kick on we’re as he thinks that team got 5th they can do it again
    Fans also need to get it in there heads that’s were a 5th to 9th place team ATM n were near champs league even with investment

  • 101 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM

    Excuses, excuses, excuses. No wonder the players look like they’re losing faith. What kind of pep talk is that? In one breath saying we all need to stick together, in the next implying he wishes he could have 4/5 new players, to replace some who’ll be turning out on Wednesday – fantastic morale booster that Alan!

    He’s becoming more and more desperate and just letting his motor mouth run away.

    The man certainly isn’t adroit, more a complete dolt.

  • 102 alex84 // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM

    Matty – Agreed, Ben Arfa’s displays gave him no choice but to play him, he is starting to remind me of an outdated english fa loving coach, Howard Wilkinson school of coaching, get to the front man as quick as possible, the sad thing that was being coached years and years ago…and still is on fa level 1,2 and 3 coaching courses, our style of play is so out dated…G.carr bought players who are technical, not hoofball experts, we are not playing to our strengths, we have the personel but not the manager for it…by the looks of it.

  • 103 mattyNUFC // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM

    and to add to that, transfer,

    i don’t think that’s necessarily wrong either. i honestly do believe our squad is good enough. sure, simmo and willo need replacing but outside of the top 4 or so teams in the league, what set of fans wishes they couldn’t have one or two player replaced? probably none, and most of them probably have closer to four or five in mind

    we have a great squad….one of the best, if not the best, in the past decade.

    now we just need a manager to match (NOTE* not calling for his head, and only out of fear of who MA would install afterwards)

  • 104 Rotonda heights // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:20 AM

    even the commentator said yesterday that pardew had to drop one of ba and cisse from now on.

  • 105 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:20 AM

    Rainrix…we wouldn’t want that to happen would we? ;) lol

  • 106 Rotonda heights // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:23 AM

    alex84

    You’re so right . I have EUFA part B just to get the paperwork but my god it really is something out of the dark ages and allows the likes of Pulis, Allardyce and pardew to make a living as also rans.

  • 107 mattyNUFC // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:23 AM

    alex84

    the craziest part is, look at our three main CMs:

    cabaye: played ACM in a 433

    tiote: played DCM in a 433

    Anita: played DCM in a 433

    all title winning sides when they left.

    what is not clicking with this manager? he’s played them together for a total of about 33 minutes v bordeaux and it was hands down, without a doubt the best football we’ve played through the middle this calender year, probably longer.

    pards solution to slick passing football? throw it all in a funk before the first half is even over and shift anita to wingback.

  • 108 Phatoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:23 AM

    I’ll translate that from idiot to English

    There are only 3 occasions when we can “hoof” the ball,

    1) When Shola is able to flick it on to Ba
    2) When everyone is in our half and someone from OUR team is on the halfway line and COULD break.
    3) When we need to make a desperate clearence from a corner or freekick.

  • 109 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    I dont even mind if we stick with 442, just use the right people for it.

    get fergie and obertan on the wing, (not the best but the best proper wide men we have. make the hug the touchline.

    get ba and shola up top as that is the best pairing we have.

    get two holding midfielders like tiote and perch to sit deep

    then get the fullbacks to overlap and attack.

    thats how 442 works.

    it dosn’t work if a wide man is jonas who never gets forward. and it doesn’t work with ba and cisse as a 2.

    Cisse play his best as a lone striker, he has more room to run into

  • 110 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    davy

    I think ashley can’t compete for the top 4..he hasn’t got the money, most of his wealth is in his company, not free to spend without taking loans.

    In reality, as he knows little about football (like most of us in the business sense of it and how dealings really work), he needs somebody as a chairman who does. Llambias does not know the product he is buying and selling. We need a chairman with experience in a football club, not so much as a player, but as a businessman in football.

  • 111 boater // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:28 AM

    Rotonda -The commentator was a pillock who had no understanding of NUFC aside from the cursory glance he had taken that day. What’s your excuse? Ba and Cisse both must play. We have no midfield creativity and passing – they get no chances whatsoever.

    I’m so sick of reading – drop cisse for sammi or marveaux – it’s forum tedium based on romantic notions as to how good are development squad is. Please give over.

  • 112 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    Outside of Britain 4-4-2 is not really that common anymore (it’s a new era and football have changed – it always does)

    …even with all the money in the world England fails to hang on in the top (the occasion surprise, but then again some clubs in England are spending billions)

  • 113 martoon // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    Like the rest of you I am disappointed and frustrated at the recent performances. However I really can’t see that changing the system to 4 3 3 is suddenly going to be a magic fix. I was at the Maritimo game where HBA played the number 10 role and also Marveau played as some of you suggest and we still weren’t great (even before HBA got injured). I think Alex84 @80 has hit the nail on the head – the lack of recruits in the Summer has not only left us short of players but also disallusioned the ones that are here – I really don’t know what the answer is but I hope AP can find an answer.

  • 114 Rotonda heights // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    rainrix at 77

    would love that line up, but I don’t think we’ll ever see ba out left again now and I wouldn’t mind trying Jonas at LB

  • 115 JDdubai // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    Id rather we lost with Pardew trying to play an attacking game rather than watching us being defensive and getting picked off while offering no threat.

    Every game day Im now not looking forward to seeing the inevitable crappy football.

    I honestly think there are a fair few managers who could get our players playing top attacking football, Am sure Guardiola would get along well with MA??

  • 116 Transfer Sage // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    boater

    If the players we have cannot create a chance for the 2 strikers maybe we do need another midfielder to help creatt more chances for them?

    it’s surely worth a go as this currently is not even looking like working

  • 117 WWYCD // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    I don’t claim go know all the answers its clearly a lot harder than a lot give it credit. I have my opinions on what’s wrong but really they are from top to bottom of the club for me (though am sure the tea lady has been brilliant throughout)

    Manager change would aid us in the short term (always tends to give a lift to the team) but long term doubtful. We were always going to get in a mess sooner rather than later squads been too thin for the PL let alone the extra comps, for me Pards deserves a chance to turn it round so he gets more time

    Board need to do more to aid in that as well too many unfulfilled promises and too many gambles. Reserves were sacked off not too long before the summer for being crap then we were told we had enough quality in the fringes to not bother buying players which doesn’t add up for me

  • 118 Rotonda heights // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    martoon

    if cisse had scored and benny not got injured it was a definite improvement with a lack of hoof ball up till then.

    That’s why I think martinez with some good players could work miracles and get them to express themselves and bring out the best in cabs, benny etc

  • 119 Rotonda heights // Nov 26, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    Boater

    For exactly that reason they can not play together in 442 and if you can’t see that by now no wonder you are a pardew supporter.

    Manu quite often have anyone of Rooney, RVP, Chicharito or welbeck on the bench. It’s formations not just your best 11 players, ie gerrard and lampard can never play well for England together.

    Tote, cabs and Anita is a great midfield when used properly, but no wonder they don’t create because they just get totally bypassed by hoofball (pardew’s instructions).

  • 120 obatoyou // Nov 26, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    Man u should play 4-2-4 with Rvp Rooney wellbeck and javier up front heh we should buy them all and play that actually heh

  • 121 JARRAMAG // Nov 26, 2012 at 1:30 PM

    This is my opinion

    1)Last year we knew Williamson , Simpson and Ameobi needed replacing and an attacking mf was needed.
    Outcome-none were replaced or added
    2)Carr identified the players Pardue wanted them but Ashley took a massive gamble and was not prepared to spend any money
    3)We have the players in midfield to pass the ball but unfortunately Williamson and Simpson panic and cannot pass a simple ball, hence “hoofball”
    4)Debuchy and a quality cb would of greatly enhanced out defence and attack(Pardue was let down big style)
    5)Pardues biggest mistakes
    All free kicks aimed at Williamson who is a jibbering wreck and cannot time headers anyway.(i cannot believe this is our only free kick and has been for 2 years.
    Our corners are shocking /our free kicks are shocking and Pardue even highlighted this and it still is apparent,so what is Pardue doing about it?Will we ever score from a set piece?

  • 122 curmon // Nov 26, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    Einsteins definition of madness ” doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting the outcome to be different”

    Pardew, I rest my case

  • 123 Catchy In Straight Jacket // Nov 26, 2012 at 6:08 PM

    The guy is clueless!!




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