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Pardew Talking To Cisse – Training Atmosphere Not Good

11:15 am, Wednesday, November 28th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 32 Comments

Alan Pardew has admitted today that he is continually talking to Papiss Cisse, and trying to calm him, so that the 27 year-old Senegal striker can somehow get his best form back, and start firing those goals in again for Newcastle.

Papiss Cisse – Alan Pardew talking to him all the time

There are lots of our players out at the moment with injury – Ryan Taylor, Haris Vuckic, Dan Gosling, Ben Arfa, Steven Taylor, Yohan Cabaye, Shola Ameobi, Gabby Obertan and Adam Campbell – that’s nine players and includes Adam Campbell, who is still a fringe player at the club at only 17.

The Newcastle manager is just pleased he has a player of Cisse’s immense ability to call on, and he had this to say in the local press today about Papiss:

“I am talking to him and trying to calm him, tell him that he’s still he same player and we are still very confident in him.” “It’s only been a small period if you compare it to, say Torres’ period, but you would have to say it’s something we are going to have to keep an eye on.”

“That’s because we don’t want it to end up like poor old Torres has ended up at times.” “He’s a great player, Papiss, and we want to get the best out of him.”

And Alan has also admitted that the training ground is not a happy place at the moment, because of all the injuries to the Newcastle squad, and he had this to say:

“It doesn’t help your mood. You have to lift yourself and look for the positives.” “The training ground is a negative place, to a degree, because everyone is feeling a little bit sorry for themselves, and you have to shake that out and be professional about it.”

“But it does affect your mood, you can’t help that, and there’s a determination on our training ground to put it right.” “We are going to Stoke, one of the most difficult places there is to do that, but that’s what we are going to try to do.”

The worst thing that players can do is to feel sorry for themselves when things are not going well, which invariably happens for any team in the Premier League during a season.

We have to buckle down and win or a good performance could be what we need to start turning the season around.

We hope that can happen tonight at the Britannia Stadium.

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32 responses so far ↓

  • 1 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:17 AM

    Repost:

    Can someone explain why we cannot contact a club about a player before January 1st?

    …and even agree terms with him! As far as I know a player is just not allowed a medical before the transfer window opens and cannot sign the contract before.

    Why wait?

  • 2 mattyNUFC // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:19 AM

    repost
    Ibiza

    I do credit the board with that. As our team has undeniably (i think….) improved, we know it’s more a job of upkeep now than wholesale changes, and I agree wholeheartedly with that and with where we are as a squad.

    and Transfer

    I hope it didn’t come off as Willo being the main indicator to Pardew’s lack of (imo) tactical know-how. Not at all. Even the best manager is incapable of making even in some cases the most subtle of changes in players.

    I look at Willo in our championship season (second half, of course) and our first season back in the prem and, having thought as to whether it’s simply been my own rise in expectation, have settled on the notion that he is not the same player he was. Given, I do think it’s mixture of both because I think we all recognized from the beginning Mike to be your run-of-the-mill no-nonsense English CH, but I still feel he is nowhere near the standard he was in his first year here. I also think it has a lot to do with the league improving and a lot of the promoted teams over the past two seasons playing more exciting, passing brands of football, but I do feel the difference in form is pretty glaring still

    and on this thread:

    i think this is all what we assumed. A bit worrying still and I hope this is not the beginning of bad news leaking out.

  • 3 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:20 AM

    Jesper… I think most teams are too focused on their league form to bother with transfers. I imagine a lot of them wait to the end of the year to assess where they are at and what they need to push forward than concentrate on transfers.

  • 4 nick_9 // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:20 AM

    Now we have qualified for Europe we know a bit more about the next window. I’m certain Pardew said progression I’m Europe was a factor when looking at players needed in the window? We need three of four players in to show us paying fans and our own players we want to achieve something. Perhaps Pardew doesn’t want to upset the apple cart by naming positions we feel we are weak in, whilst we have so many injuries I don’t blame him as such but sceptics will say he is just avoiding the question as he probably doesn’t know what he is allowed to spend yet. More often than not we have to sell to buy under this regime so the next window will be very telling.

    Tonight is a big game and a tough one at that, my heart says three points but looking at a midfield that consists of Anita, tiote and Jonas I just fail to see us getting the win. Stoke work hard and bombard your box (not as often as we do if I remember that stay website correctly). Head says a draw, the home game against Wigan is more important as we cannot lose three at home and that’s where we do need a better showing. 50,000 paying customers all their to watch it at face value. It’s going to be a cold one so we might need to pogo for 90 minutes….

    Collo is back now but unfortunately Taylor is out, the better player out of him and Williamson. So the only players we are amiss from our usual starting eleven is hba and cabaye, the two most creative players in the eleven. Once hba and cabaye are back I would love to see us play a 4231 formation:

    ———- tiote —– Anita ——-
    Cabaye —– Ben Arfa —- marveaux
    ——————-Ba/Cisse

    You could perhaps switch hba and cabaye or to accommodate both Strikers play:

    ——– Cabaye —- Tiote —–
    Ben Arfa —— Ba ——– Marveaux
    ——————Cisse—————

    Imagine that team with a bit of movement, it would destroy teams, now imagine it with a ball plying cb next to collocini, an attacking fullback in the same mould as santon so we have two glancing fullbacks. Add that box to box midfielder sissoko and a back up striker and we have a very good squad on our hands. Heck even obertan might look good in that formation with hba feeding him and the attackers.

    Oh to dream……..

  • 5 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:22 AM

    Jesper

    I think it’s more clubs, both selling and buying, dont want deals done too early in case something happens and they need to buy a player in a different position. If we agree a fee for a CB and CM, then ba and cisse injure themselves and are out for months we would need to spend more on top of the budget to get a striker.

    And the selling club wont agree on people going until they can sort a replacement and the replacement player’s club may not agree to negotiation yet.

    Transfers are a lot like dominoes so until the window starts and a few deals go through then nothing really kick starts.

  • 6 nick_9 // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:23 AM

    MattyNufc I’m not so sure it has improved and insaid that in the last window. We never replaced best and lovenkrands, not even with a young striker. Guthrie was settled in the prem and for me would have done just as well if not better than Anita, bigi is the only real plus and getting rid of 60k a week Smith

  • 7 yorkshire_magpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    Jon.c im with you on that. I think we have been playin the worst football in the prem this season. Utter disgrace. I think the problem we have is there is no players on the technical level of HBA apart from cabaye who is out. So it is really difficult for us to play the passin game.

  • 8 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    matty

    Sorry. I thoguht you were saying willo had reached his level and maybe pardew had reached his level and couldnt improve himself as a manager. And i was just saying managers can improve more than players as they aren’t limited by there physical attributes, pace, size, agility etc

  • 9 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    Pardew has roughly 30 players to choose from in and around the first team and he’s missing 8.

    Out of those 8, 3 are out for the season and 2 until February. The last three should be fit soon. And only three are regular starters.

    I just wanted to break it down to Pardew.

    Last season Saylor was out for the entire season, Benny didn’t play much before February, we signed Cissé in January and Ba, Cissé and Tiote left for the ACON. Tiote only played in half of our games.

    We are not worse off this season!

  • 10 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:25 AM

    matty….The form this season has really made it hard to stay objective, myself included. So many ideas being thrown around and just general chaos. As of September 1st, I felt we were a few key signings away from where we want to be, then as you say it’s maintenance from then on…in theory. It is all still possible, jury is out for me until end of January. Let’s hope all goes to plan – Oh how i’m starting to dislike the word plan :)

    Jesper….Where would the fun and excitement come from? Don’t be such a spoil sport ;)

  • 11 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    But someone needs to make the first buy don’t they? ;)

  • 12 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    I’d honestly be targeting a playmaker first of all in january. For me cabaye is the most important person in our team, we lack anyone else who can spray the ball around in midfield like him. We did have guthrie for that be we sold him. We really need another to fill his boots when he goes out. People say we have plenty of over in midfield, but thats for defensive midfield, no one else can replace cabaye and its hurting us badly.

    Once we have that then we can get a Cb. They should be equal priority really.

  • 13 IPToon // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Sky Sports stat for tonights game.

    •Newcastle (18%) are the only team to have played a higher proportion of long passes than Stoke (16%) this season

    18% WOW – Didnt Gutierrez come out this week and say the team know all about Stoke’s style of play. I reckon they do, they play it more than Stoke!

  • 14 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Sold him? Argh brain fart, we let him go sorry!

  • 15 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Jesper….Don’t forget to take that info to your relationship therapist when you and Alan next attend. I’m really behind you two and hope it works itself out.

  • 16 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Jesper

    Nobody can deny we have a big squad.

    The problem comes that we have a severe lack of depth in 3 key areas.

    defence – fullback and centre back…little to choose from

    ceative players – only cabaye and ben arfa are creative (fergie maybe for crossing and obertan but not genuine creativity)

    Pace- we lack any pace, none in defence and none in advanced areas, it means teams can push up and limit or space and easier to catch us on the break.

    Address these 3 problems over the january window and summer and we will see the best out of our players.

    Why do people think cabaye is so good for france? not just better players aroun him or an advanced position. The pace of ribery, benzema, and others means that the oppossition gets stretched and it leaves more room for cabaye to play his game.

  • 17 mattyNUFC // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    transfer

    in that case, i’d say a manager’s ability to adapt is about on par with a player’s. Yes, a player is hindered by many natural physical attributes, but i don’t think any one of arrogance, stubbornness, lack of education or ideas, etc proves less insurmountable.

    if that were always the case Gary Megson’s and Mick McCarthy’s would have changed ages ago

    Not saying Pardew can’t, but I think it’s more likely he will not change his overall approach

    But hey, that’s just my opinion and, as mentioned before, I’d be the first to gladly throw my hands up and say I was wrong if indeed he does

  • 18 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    matty

    I think it’s easier for a manager to change.

    The players have physical and mental limitations. the manager just mental limitations.

    I agree not all managers can change. Look at the best. Ferguson and Wenger in england, they both change their assisstant every few years, just to bring fresh idea’s into their clubs.

    for all I think John Carver is excellent I really think we would benefit if Pardew hired a continental assisstant manager.

  • 19 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    IPToon

    And the vast majority of our short passes, are made towards the opponents third, then in retreat back to Willo or Simpson to welly aimlessly forward. Sunday league tactics. I’m surprised our midfield aren’t all suffering from neck strains.

  • 20 sirtoongospel // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    I m absolutely gobsmacked at the quote I have just read in the Chronicle. Talking about Ba and Cisse.

    PArdew says they have to find a way to score goals “regardless of the service”.

    Is he taking the pi55??? They have 11 between them and Cisse has 2 wrongly disallowed, Demba at least 1. They should have a true tally of 14. In a team that hasn’t played more than 40 minutes of decent football all season.

    So go on Pards, blame the forwards, who single handedly fired us into 5th last season, sometimes with miracle goals.

    The team are not only failing to play to their strengths, but if i didn’t know better, would actually think they were trying to make it harder for them!!!

    Our strikers have 11 between them. How many other teams have strike partnerships that have scored more? There are 13 teams above us, I guarantee there aren’t 13 teams with more prolific strikers.

    Our problem is we have too many defensive midfielders (or they have been made to go this way) and our defence is woeful. Maybe the midfield are defensive because they know only too well how bad/slow our defence is.

    Don’t blame the strikers Pards, they are a shining light in the club that will give us a fighting chance if and when the rest start playing half decent.

  • 21 nick_9 // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:37 AM

    I for one am glad that journalist asked Pardew about set pieces, next questions is about 18% long passes. Higher than stoke who get slaughtered for it and have crouch upfront. Almost one in five of our passes are long, the other four are sideways

  • 22 Graeme // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    Maybe the “Boot – Arse” interface needs re-aligning??

  • 23 catchy in norway // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    ibiza,, your a loveble fool

    i love how your optimistic and want to give the guy a chance,
    but
    i really cant see how 2 more months will do him any good,,

    you see how he has been for 2 years, so why would he change in 2 months
    you either accept that from a footballing point of view, if we stay up and he stays, the football will always be poor, some results will be good, he will always tell us lies, regardless, he is always covering for the 2 fat men,
    i dont see how he can change his opinion on how football should be played when 1 of his main players is out until feb,
    13 matches in, he still has no idea what to do with BA/CISSE, but if you want take that back further, its jan 2012, he can not get the best out of those 2 in the same side
    history is reapeting itself , (yes just like me) we are a team on the way down fast, and if something is not done fast,, before the end of jan, it will be to late

    when the end of jan come your gona say,, well come on ,, he has only just signed so and so, let them settle, then how long,,
    you can see the excuses now, well if om honest,, the chaiman backed me, we got some tereble injuries that would hurt any team, the new players came in and needed that time to get used to a new league, bang, may down,
    just a though, harry got his first point last night, he only needs to get to 17th place, thats his cup final.. there club will spend in jan and back him,, PL is getting villa playing again
    its to scary to think, us , this big club will go down again,
    the 2 cancers at our club are prdew,, no footballing brain at all, you all think it was a master stroke beating man u 3 nil with long ball football,
    and lambass,, mr casino man, with no clue about football,,

    say what you like about FAT FREDY, but he backed the club, maybe he was running it wrong, but id have him back tomorrow

  • 24 nufc 11 // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:53 AM

    For me the defence is the problem since Taylor came back in its been a sambles, not to say Colo has been shakey too its the one area we needed to strenghten and we didnt. yoy can get ove not scoring buckets of goals and grind games out but were losing stupied sloopy goals at every oppertunity it has to stop we should try get samba on loan in Jan or buy Douglas all I hear Debuachy this and that we dont need a RB we need a CB, as RAFA wud say FACT.

  • 25 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    Sirtoon…..I don’t think he’s laying all blame at the strikers, but at the end of the day there will be some fault made across the board. Goal keeper, defence, midfield, attack, manager and board.

  • 26 HullMag6 // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:02 PM

    We need a pacy, techinically gifted cb in NOT Douglas that’ll be another to bracket in with willo/saylor that can be turned and left by a supertanker. Someone to challenge collo, he needs it I think odd moments of complancy creeping in. Hence why midfield is coming too deep and killing our game.

  • 27 magicmac // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Hi fellow Newcastle fans, our problems started in the last transfer window, it was not rocket science to know that we needed to sign at least 3 new players to strengthen the squad as we were going to be involved in the europa league which involves a lot more fixtures, but the sad reality is Mike Ashely does not have the ambition or desire to invest in our club, and iam sad to say he never will, mr ashely is only interested in buying young players for a small fee, and if they make great progress, then sell them to make a huge profit, he is first and foremost just a business man, so what iam trying to say is Newcastle will never make proper progress under Mike ashely, so everone needs to get real and understand that we will never move to the next level under mike ashely, yes we are a big club in terms of fan base, and the size of our ground, but in sheer investment of finance to go after better players, its simply never going to happen, the best we can hope for is that sometime in the future, an new owner will come along who is very ambitous and who has the financial clout to invest in our great club to get better players and also to get a better manager to be up along the big boys every season, i have nothing against Alan Pardew, he seems like an nice man, but mu own feelings is he is just an average manager and i dont think he could take us to the next level even if he had the financial baking of an new owner, these are just my own genuine and honest feelings, but i would like to know what my fellow Newcastle fans think about where we are as a club at the moment?

  • 28 Jan Stavik // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    Krul, Debuchy – Coloccini – Douglas – Santon, Cabaye – Tiote, Jonas, Ben Arfa – Cisse – Ba in a 433 with Ba on the left would be the dream line up from January on. If Ba leaves I’d like to see Remy up and down that left hand side!

  • 29 Premiership Manager // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    The problem with the team is simple:

    There is no heart.

    There is no passion.

    There is no leader on the park.

    Add the fact that the players are not playing for each other and it’s an unmitigated disaster.

    Our best performances have been the kids in Europe and the senior players have failed to insire each other or the crowds.

    Yes it’s a damning statement but it is also undeniably true.

    We need a clear out at Christmas and to be honest I wouldn’t be dissapointed to see anybody go. people rave about Cabaye and although he is a good player he isn’t brilliant otherwise one of the big teams would have been knocking on the door last year. If anybody wants to argue the point have a look at the player stats for last year and you’ll find that Cabaye just edged Guthrie on goals scored, with all other stats equal. It doesn’t take a genius to work out that Cabaye only edges it on goals because he played considerably more games but more importantly in his prefered position unlike Guthrie who was often filling in defensively for Tiote.

    People complain about Jonas but what they forget is that he covers the left flank breaking play down helping Santon.

    Look at the right, what help does Simpson get from HBA. The answer is simple, he doesn’t as HBA as good as he is going forward is one of the main culprits for giving the ball away. Simpson is one of our better players and that is backed by the stats despite some fans not being happy with him.

    Is Tiote half the player he was last year. To me he is like an angry bull in a china shop. Is it because he is pissed off because the £20M from Chelsea never materialised – I wouldn’t be surprised.

    Ba and Cisse alegedly a match made in heaven but for some reason they cannot play together or pass to each other. My guess is Ba will go at Xmas and we’ll see Cisse return to form but only if we buy one or two midfield palyers who can track back, cross the ball and add to the strength of the squad.

    To surmise it’s a mess and although I hate to say it Xmas is always our worst period of the season so there’s a very good chance that if we cannot turn it around quickly we’ll be facing relegation yet again.

  • 30 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    If pardew aint gonna go we need someone by his side to teach him tactics that will get the team playing attacking passing football so the strikers can have plenty of chances to score, they dont need many!!!

    I would rotate the two strikers for competition, injuries and just for general footballing reasons. They cant play together as the are both STRIKERS. They cant link with the midfield, they need to be on the end of everything and u cant have two of those kind of players on the pitch and expect many chances.

    Its not rocket science!!!!!!!

    My team if i got appointed as manager..

    4231

    ————–KRUL————-
    SIMO-TAYLOR-COLO-GUTI
    ——–TIOTE——ANITA——-
    BENARFA-CABAYE-SANTON
    ————CISSE/BA———–

    I know we have injuries but that doesnt affect the way play football, it should just give players a chance to play in that role.

    In this case Benny boy and cabaye can be swapped easily with the likes of sameobi, marvo, amalfitano, obertan.

    This is why people are calling for pardew to be sacked because at times like this there is no confidence in the fringe players that could come in an do a great job for a team.

    I could go on but my fingers and head are starting to ache!!

  • 31 Steve Dixon // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:59 PM

    My team for tonight would be

    hooper
    charvet marcelino dumas quinn

    kerr fumaca gavilan glass

    gallagher
    Cardone

  • 32 ash1001 // Nov 29, 2012 at 5:27 AM

    Yes the team is poor and it needs sorting, but why do people on here continue to go on about the same possible buys i.e. Debuchy and Douglas, are they the only two players out there. We do not really have a clue what the thoughts are of those in charge are.
    We have wasted loads of our time and energy on here chatting about buys, formations etc – does it make one blind bit of difference, does it hell.
    The football club we support does not give a toss about us, never has done since MA took over, do you think it ever will, he is now playing with a supposed bigger fish ‘Rangers’ so any money he wants to spend on football is going to be split two ways, that means even less investement for NUFC.
    It really is time we gave ourselves a reality check.




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