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Stoke vs Newcastle – Match Preview

11:35 am, Wednesday, November 28th, 2012 by Ed Harrison · 269 Comments

Newcastle have lost three games in a row in the Premier League, and we’ve had just one victory in our last eight league games, and picked up only six points in those games,  since we beat Norwich 1-0 at St. James’ Park on September 23rd.

That’s a slump for Newcastle to be sure, and we just have to try to turn things around tonight at Stoke City, which is never an easy place to get points from.

Newcastle currently have nine first team players out through injury by our reckoning – Ryan Taylor, Haris Vuckic, Dan Gosling, Ben Arfa, Steven Taylor, Yohan Cabaye, Shola Ameobi, Gabby Obertan and Adam Campbell – and some of those players are out for very lengthy periods.

So Alan Pardew doesn’t really have much to choose from for his team tonight, and we think it will be very much like the side that played at Southampton, but of course Fabricio Coloccini is back from his three match suspension, and will resume the Newcastle captaincy tonight at the Britannia Stadium.

This is the side we think will start the game tonight:

Krul
Simpson Coloccini (c) Williamson Santon
Gutierrez Anita Tiote Ferguson
Ba Cisse
Subs: Elliot Tavernier Bigirimana Perch Marveaux Ameobi (Sa) Ranger

Alan may find a starting position for the fit again James Perch, but we think that will be the starting line-up and James should get some playing time in the second half.

The Newcastle manager knows that Stoke’s a tough place to visit – at any time:

“They’re always very, very difficult to beat.” “Tony Pulis sets his team up and they’re a strong, physical unit. Set-plays they excel at and they’re very good defensively so it’s hard for any team to go and break them down.”

“That’s something that we need to try and achieve. We won there last year with one of our big results of the season and obviously we’re going to have to try and emulate that.”

“You need to play your own game but you need to be able to cope with theirs – that’s the question they ask. They find teams out by doing that and we have great respect for what they do.”

Newcastle played great in this fixture last season, and we won there 3-1 for the first time in a long while, and Demba Ba hit a famous hat-trick – and a result like that tonight would raise the spirits of Newcastle fans sky-high.

And it’s likely to be a low scoring affair tonight, with both teams finding it difficult to put the ball in the back of the net these days, and there’s only been six goals in the last six games at the Britannia Stadium.

Stoke also have their injury woes, and is it a surprise that former Newcastle player Michel Owen is out with another hamstring problem?

Owen has only recently returned to training but is unlikely to feature tonight against his former side, although he could be on the bench – and Andy Wilkinson is likely to miss out with a back problem, and Marc Wilson and Rory Delap have long term injuries.

Let us know how you think the game will go tonight – with Newcastle needing to get at least something out of this game to stop the rot.

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269 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    Was that Alan saying that whilst we need to think and contain the opposition but we also need to play our own game and make them ask some questions too?

    Progress or lip flapping?

    Can I convince myself to get excited for tonights game? Jury is out, but Newcastle get me every time, usually just before kick off.

  • 2 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    I will take to sunderland with a sniper rifle if that is the actual line up.

  • 3 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    I am going for a narrow newcastle win tonight.

    From what I have heard off pardew the lads will be fired up after the talking to they had after southampton. I think they will battle and get at least the draw.

  • 4 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    Nobody can deny we have a big squad.

    The problem comes that we have a severe lack of depth in 3 key areas.

    defence – fullback and centre back…little to choose from

    ceative players – only cabaye and ben arfa are creative (fergie maybe for crossing and obertan but not genuine creativity)

    Pace- we lack any pace, none in defence and none in advanced areas, it means teams can push up and limit or space and easier to catch us on the break.

    Address these 3 problems over the january window and summer and we will see the best out of our players.

    Why do people think cabaye is so good for france? not just better players aroun him or an advanced position. The pace of ribery, benzema, and others means that the oppossition gets stretched and it leaves more room for cabaye to play his game.

  • 5 mattyNUFC // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    transfer – last thread

    i agree re Carver. I don’t think AP is the only culprit with regards to the tactics on display. I really wanted (and I know it’s easier to mention in hindsight, especially now that he’s doing so well with WBA, but i’d chance to say most fans wanted him back) Clarke to come here before he chose Lpool

    and sirtoon – last thread

    seems the baffling, mind-bogglingly illogical utterance continue.

    doesnt he have a match to be preparing for? sure seems to have too much time press conferences

  • 6 Novocastrian66 // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    Dreading tonight’s match. We were battered on Sunday and I cannot see any other result than a loss and a heavy one at that. Hopefully we will salvage a point. A win is beyond us without a dramatic change in fortune and form.

  • 7 nufc.romania // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    why we don’t start whit marveaux ? if we loose we have big troubles :(

  • 8 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:42 AM

    Can anyone think of a possible reason we persist with 442 after the success of last year in 433 where we looked much better.

    I am struggling. The only reason I have is to appease Ba, to get him to sign a new deal with no release clause cause Pardew fears he would not be replaced if he left which would leave him cisse and shola.

    Has anyone got a better reason? I am just trying to explain why we stick with 442…but really cant think why…especially after we tried 433 and it worked so much better, not perfect but better.

  • 9 mattyNUFC // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:42 AM

    romania

    if he doesn’t start something is very, very wrong

    i don’t think he’s the one to win us the match single-handedly, but he’s our only potential creative outlet

  • 10 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    Matty

    Carver is still a good coach.

    I would like to see him involved still. Maybe a link between the first team and the junior sides. Overseeing the whole operation and working with pardew, carr and beardsley to bring in and develop kids and implement a style into the club.

  • 11 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    Sage… Ba’s the only reason i can think of as well. The thing is though even last year when we did play 4-3-3 ba was still getting chances, just a lack of confidence i think stopped him from scoring. Now that he’s in form i don’t see why we don’t move him left

  • 12 mattyNUFC // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    TS

    i think that issue has probably taken up a good 65% of the discussions on here since the season started, ha

    god knows, no use getting into it now. let’s just accept it and try to enjoy another match of 442 with two holding CMs and the two dembas up from with marv on the bench :D no, no :( very sad if it is

  • 13 Graeme // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    Given the way Stoke play, would it not be worth throwing Ranger into the equation and inject some pace into the attack? He is capable enough to give the Stoke back 4 a hard time, which, even if he doesn’t score, can leave openings for Cisse or Ba to exploit?

  • 14 mattyNUFC // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    rainrx

    and, imo at least, his contribution to the team, not just in fitting with the formation, was so so so much great on the left

    oh well, i’m done with that issue until i see the team sheet

  • 15 mattyNUFC // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    greater*

  • 16 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:48 AM

    graeme

    not sure on his match fitness so don’t know about from the start with ranger.

    The thing ranger has in his favour is he is our only forward who will run the channels and stretch the defence a bit.

    If he keeps himself right I think he could be an asset to us this season.

  • 17 catchy in norway // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:48 AM

    ibiza,, your a loveble fool

    i love how your optimistic and want to give the guy a chance,
    but
    i really cant see how 2 more months will do him any good,,

    you see how he has been for 2 years, so why would he change in 2 months
    you either accept that from a footballing point of view, if we stay up and he stays, the football will always be poor, some results will be good, he will always tell us lies, regardless, he is always covering for the 2 fat men,
    i dont see how he can change his opinion on how football should be played when 1 of his main players is out until feb,
    13 matches in, he still has no idea what to do with BA/CISSE, but if you want take that back further, its jan 2012, he can not get the best out of those 2 in the same side
    history is reapeting itself , (yes just like me) we are a team on the way down fast, and if something is not done fast,, before the end of jan, it will be to late

    when the end of jan come your gona say,, well come on ,, he has only just signed so and so, let them settle, then how long,,
    you can see the excuses now, well if om honest,, the chaiman backed me, we got some tereble injuries that would hurt any team, the new players came in and needed that time to get used to a new league, bang, may down,
    just a though, harry got his first point last night, he only needs to get to 17th place, thats his cup final.. there club will spend in jan and back him,, PL is getting villa playing again
    its to scary to think, us , this big club will go down again,
    the 2 cancers at our club are prdew,, no footballing brain at all, you all think it was a master stroke beating man u 3 nil with long ball football,
    and lambass,, mr casino man, with no clue about football,,

    say what you like about FAT FREDY, but he backed the club, maybe he was running it wrong, but id have him back tomorrow

  • 18 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    Matty… Yep he was doing really well, i don’t think he was ever unsettled, just really frustrated he wasn’t scoring, now he’s in form i wouldn’t back against him scoring from the left. Also i don’t think the fact he was always subbed off instead of cisse every time we were ahead helped.

  • 19 sirtoongospel // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    I m absolutely gobsmacked at the quote I have just read in the Chronicle. Talking about Ba and Cisse.

    PArdew says they have to find a way to score goals “regardless of the service”.

    Is he taking the pi55??? They have 11 between them and Cisse has 2 wrongly disallowed, Demba at least 1. They should have a true tally of 14. In a team that hasn’t played more than 40 minutes of decent football all season.

    So go on Pards, blame the forwards, who single handedly fired us into 5th last season, sometimes with miracle goals.

    The team are not only failing to play to their strengths, but if i didn’t know better, would actually think they were trying to make it harder for them!!!

    Our strikers have 11 between them. How many other teams have strike partnerships that have scored more? There are 13 teams above us, I guarantee there aren’t 13 teams with more prolific strikers.

    Our problem is we have too many defensive midfielders (or they have been made to go this way) and our defence is woeful. Maybe the midfield are defensive because they know only too well how bad/slow our defence is.

    Don’t blame the strikers Pards, they are a shining light in the club that will give us a fighting chance if and when the rest start playing half decent

  • 20 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    rainrix

    wide left last year ba only didn’t score because of a few very good saves…so surely if he kept getting those chances he would score.

    I dont think Ba is a good lone front man though, so if we went 1 up top has to be cisse for me.

  • 21 catchy in norway // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    why arnt we playing 424??

    play like tennis, watch the ball get hoofed up and down the pitch

  • 22 mattyNUFC // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    catchy

    we see eye-to-eye on pardews ability, or lack thereof

    but, for the morale of the team and fear of who MA might install afterwards, I could only see good reason to sack him before February if

    1) this awful form continues
    or 2) he loses the dressing room

  • 23 Indian Magpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:51 AM

    My prediction

    Ht

    SCFC 0 NUFC 1

    Pardew will then batten down the hatches

    FT

    SCFC 1 NUFC 1

  • 24 catchy in norway // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:51 AM

    Transfer Sage

    yes there where some good save, but he didnt et so many chances too,

  • 25 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    Catchy

    You say Pardew has followed a patter in every job.

    1 good year, followed by a bad year then sacked? yes?

    Well I don’t think Ashley will sack him. We will get to see the third year. Will it be a year he turns things around?

    We don’t know but it will be interesting to find out, wont it? It gives him a chance to learn from his mistakes.

  • 26 mattyNUFC // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:53 AM

    to elaborate on sirtoon’s post, here’s the quote:

    The post-mortem of the 2-0 loss to Southampton resulted in some observers flagging up the lack of service to United’s Senegalese duo.

    But Pardew said: “Regardless of the service they need to find a way to score goals.

    “We need to help them and they need to help us.”

  • 27 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    Today is a game for shola I there ever was one. If we play one up front, he will get isolated by stokes defence. Two upfront without any physicality, then we probably won’t be able to break them. Three upfront then you have two non-physical strikers and a small winger, or two small wingers.
    For me, I would like to see ba played with ranger behind him. Puts a lot of pressure on him, as ba will have to create holes in the defence and ranger will have to use his pace to latch on to every ball.
    But is ranger up for it? Is he ready? Only Pardew knows that.

  • 28 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    catchy

    ba didn’t get as many chances as he doesnt centrally…but surely one player missing our a bit for the good of the team is a sacrifice that shuld be made…at least tried.

  • 29 Jamiemac // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    Repost

    I was at the kc stadium tonight watching Hull vs Palace since I only live a couple miles away from the stadium.

    What I saw from Hull impressed me immensely. They created chance after chance and missed a tonne of sitters. Anyway how they did this was playing a 5-3-2 formation with 2 wing backs. The 3 centre mids were collecting the ball and all the time the 2 wing backs were hugging the byline and always in tonnes of space. This allowed them to either get down the line and deliver a cross or cut inside and shoot or make a pass.

    I can only recall Wigan playing this formation in the prem I think but I think it’s a great way to play possession football. From what I’ve seen of Hull this season Bruce has got them dominating matches but lacks a clinical finisher.

    So I was thinking would this work for Newcastle? Lets say we sign Debuchey and Douglas. We could play Colo, Taylor and Douglas as the 3 centre backs then Debuchey and Santon as the wing backs, Tiote Anita and Cab as the 3 in midfield then Ben Arfa playing just behind Cisse like Koren played behind Aluko for Hull.

    What are your guys thoughts on this?

  • 30 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    Sage… Exactly i dont think he’d be unhappy if he was scoring from the left and the team was doing well.

    I agree with you also ba really cant hold the line himself, he worked well with best as they were different type of strikers, the same with shola. But ba and cisse just doesn’t work, they’re both finishers and positional strikers, far to similar, although ba is better on the ball than cisse so i’d stick him left instead of cisse.

  • 31 sirtoongospel // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    Transfer Sage, I have said the same quite a bit, and got slated for it. Ba could have scored 6 or 7 more while on the left, and we looked awesome.

    Seems to me they are desperate to keep him through this window, regardless of the cost to the team, because the clause disappears.

    I just wish that we had brought 2 or 3 more in during the summer, we wouldn’t be worried noe and could easily have 6 more points on the board.

    Still, scrap a win tonight, however it comes, then all of a sudden we are a win against Wigan from looking decent again. The flip side is defeat tonight, failure to win against Wigan and we have a problem.

    Early in the season but “6 pointers” start to arrive in December, and we may well have one on Monday.

  • 32 catchy in norway // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:56 AM

    mattyNUFC
    matty we do, and right now id rather face the fear of an uknown new manager, than watch this for much longer,,
    its a slow death,

    i also thnk he has lost the players,

    if we can spot his lies, im sure we have a few smart players in there that will be saying ,, hold on,, we never got our passing game going today, they must be think what passing game??

    in fact , i think jonas said it the other day,, il go and find it

  • 33 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    I can’t see Pardew getting sacked this year. As TS says, he will get a third season. Dumb and Dumber at the top won’t talk about stability at every press conference, then make themselves look stupid.

    Also, I’ve just seen that they’re thinking of scrapping the Europa League and expanding the champions league to 64 teams. If it goes ahead it will take effect in 2015
    Thoughts?

  • 34 catchy in norway // Nov 28, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    Transfer Sage

    upi would think so,, but then he go to his agent to get it sorted, he is now where he wants to play,,
    play him where he want to play and play him what he wants to be played and he will play,

    but that is football

    ARS have jack wilt and theo, both demaiding huge pay rises, because they can, if ars dont pay them, then they will lose to good players

  • 35 mattyNUFC // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    conaldo

    read that too re CL

    won’t matter, will it? not to us anyhow

  • 36 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    catchy

    So pardew is stuck between a rock and hard place really.

    either upset demba and possibly lose him with a board that wont rush to replace him

    or

    play him in a system that doesn’t suit the team but somehow try to get it to work.

    I think he should just go for it and but Ba left, maybe let him and cisse rotate on the pitch a bit and just face the consequences if he leaves.

    At least then the blame would squarly be on ashleys door and not pardews.

  • 37 sirtoongospel // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    If they expand the CL to 256 teams then it might affect us eh?? Lol!!!

  • 38 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    Matty – don’t see any reason why it doesn’t matter to us. Yes we are not a top 4 team, we are a mid table side. Mid table sides get Europe every couple of seasons, followed by a bad season. Followed by getting into Europe, followed by a bad season. Don’t see why people think we are anything different.

  • 39 catchy in norway // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    jonas said this
    “At Southampton we deserved to lose the game because they were better than us. We have to try to get back to winning ways and be all together as a group. That’s the most important thing.” “Of course when you play in one position with the same players and the same team it’s better for the confidence.”

    he has played in about 5 different positions this season alone,
    and he isnt the only player
    anita the other day played 3 in 1 match

    how is this stability

  • 40 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    Okay where were we…

    Ibiza…It is not a matter of lack of trying on my part – Pardew just don’t want to talk about ;) he gets very defensive when I bring it up lol

    TS…I hear what your saying – basically that was the same problem last season and do remember the silver supremo saying in August that he was happy the the size and quality of the squad :)

    Ibiza…that’s another thing I have to bring up at the next meeting with the relationship therapist !

    So basically there is nothing in the way of us contacting a club about a player and agree terms with him? Just so we are clear!

    …it just comes down to that someone has to be first and that’s just not us it seems? …or is it because we don’t know who we want or who gets injured next? (I am just trying to understand it ’cause I know which positions we need to strengthen and I also know there are no guarantees in football when it comes to injuries)

  • 41 catchy in norway // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    Transfer Sage
    i guess you have to question the signing of cisse then, we have 3 CF that play the same game,
    he signed CISSE when we needed a defender,

    i like cisse, but he is a finisher, we need to dreate for him

  • 42 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    Catchy…..I am or it’s your opinion I am? :) Neither of us have been proved right or wrong quite yet mate, but thanks for saying im lovable, wanna hug, you seem to need a pick up ;)

    Sirtoon…..I don’t think he’s laying all blame at the strikers, but at the end of the day there will be some fault made across the board. Goal keeper, defence, midfield, attack, manager and board.

    This kind of highlights what I’ve been saying lately about people overreacting to Pardews comments. It’s all so dramatic imo.

  • 43 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:09 PM

    Jesper…Keep trying mate, he’s obviously been hurt in the past.

  • 44 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM

    Catchy

    Not so much question the signing of cisse. Question not signing a striker this summer.

    Adam Campbell, not matter how highly I rate him an think he is ready, is not rated the same by pardew so he went in to the season with 3 strikers.

    Shola holds it up, the two dembas don’t link play well, just finish.

    What we need is a Shane long, loic remy, thei Walcott, a player who has pace, can run in behind and work the channels to create space for the other forward, cabaye and Ben arfa.

    The player perfect for this was lukaku who went on loan to west brom.

    If we had him I think we would be much better. We would stretch teams then our other forwards and attacking mids would have much more room and be closer to the opposition goal as their defence would naturally drop off.

  • 45 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM

    Wizard…my thoughts about CL and other tournaments are that CL are for Champions and the EL is weak in its current form.

    …the money needs to be redistributed. There is too much empathize on CL and too much money in it.

    I liked it better in the old days of Cup Winners Cup and UEFA Cup!

  • 46 mattyNUFC // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    conaldo

    more to do with my opinions on pardew and where this season may ultimately leave us if it carries on as it has (player-personnel wise)

  • 47 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    Wizard…we could call the new CL the ‘Half Of Every Top League In Europe League’ :D (ohhh wait….it should be called that already lol)

  • 48 Jamiemac // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM

    God this blog has become boring. All the majority want to do is argue about who is more right about Pardew being sacked and when anybody actually tries to bring up a productive topic it just gets ignored.

  • 49 BelfastMagpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    I voted lose.
    Maybe they might shock me & win. lol

    Hard to see were the next win is coming from at the minute.

  • 50 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:3-2-2-3_formation.svg

    Thought anyone? :D

  • 51 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    *thoughts

  • 52 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    Zzz zzz zzz!

  • 53 Rotonda heights // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    sage

    You say It gives him a chance to learn from his mistakes.

    Surely after 25 matches with Ba and Cisse in a 442, I would beg to differ. The true sign of idiocy is to keep repeating something that clearly doesn’t work.

    There will be no abeid or marveaux or any spark of flair tonight. We will have a totally 1 paced midfield and the 2 up front as per.

  • 54 G // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    Still got that funny feeling that we are going to go out tonight and give the best performance of our season and smash 3 past Stoke without reply. I would settle for a point down there though frankly.

  • 55 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    How’s Hull today, Jamiemac. Still a wasteland?

  • 56 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    we don’t have the players for that jesper

  • 57 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    rotonda

    I didn’t say it was the right call…..I said it was the call the board will probably go with.

    We will just get to see what happens.

  • 58 Rotonda heights // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    Jamiemac

    there’s always an easy solution to that.

    God forbid people come on a forum to talk about the most current topic concerning our club. What can they be thinking?

  • 59 JDdubai // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:33 PM

    Even with the players listed above instead of the 442 he could try:

    Krul

    Perch-Willo-Colo
    Santon-Tiote-Anita-Fergie
    Marveaux
    Ba – Cisse

    Width from the 2 kids, 3 at the back with Willo protected down the channels and Tiote in front and then Marveaux to attempt to create with the FB’s allowed to bomb on due to the cover infront of the back 3. Plus Jonas could eithr go WB or midfield I suppose….

    Or

    4231 or whatever, just not 442 pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease…

  • 60 Slank // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:35 PM

    Ed, I don’t rate your side especially as it appears 4-4-2 with two strikers known to not gel.

    We should be going with a 4-5-1 formation to try and stifle Stoke, control the midfield and protect the back four.

    Fergie and Sammy are not ready to start a game. They could be second half impact subs especially Sammy and Ranger (both who have pace and will attack a defender) but definately not in the starting lineup. We need people like Perch to keep the Stoke players and crowd quiet with a no nonesense display.

    I would go with:

    Krul
    Simpson Coloccini (c) Williamson Santon
    Perch Tiote
    Gutierrez Anita Marveaux
    Ba

  • 61 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    what i want to see tonight

    krul
    simmo-willo-colo-santon
    tiote-anita-jonas
    marvoux-cisse-ba

  • 62 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    TS…that hasn’t stop us in the past has it ;) lol

    …no, I know we don’t, but I am just trying to come up with alternatives ;)

  • 63 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2-3-2-3_formation.svg

    How about this one then?

  • 64 yorkshire_magpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    Don’t think we will win tonight without HBA. Whose going to create anything?

  • 65 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:39 PM

    jesper

    Good thinking though. But a change in formation that drastic needs the right players and a lot of pre season to get it right. Even then you will have hiccups along the way until it is sorted.

    if we got 442 tonight I want

    krul
    simmon-willo-colo-santon
    guti-anita-tiote-marvoux
    shola/ranger-ba

    Shola and Ba link pretty well, Ranger would run the channels leaving room centrally for Ba to exploit.

    Ba and Cisse never have and never will work as a 2 in my opinion.

  • 66 Slank // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    Yorkshire @ 64

    Draw I think.

    If we play Ranger on the right and Sammy on the left as second half impact players they could create chances as both have pace and like to go past the defender.

    Also, no mention of Amalfitano and Abeid in the squad for tonight. Injured, surely not ?

  • 67 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    TS…In theory I agree, but we are in a situation where things have to change fast. 4-4-2 needs to go (even Pardew’s tweaks of it has to stop)

    …we need a fresh idea.

    Of course a tactic/formation need to pit the players we have (which begs the question why we are playing 4-4-2 in the first place…never mind)

    Taking injuries into consideration I’ll say we should stay clear of any formation where Ba and Cissé play side by side and with our current defense we might have to look into having only three at the back and maybe deploy wingbacks (Santon and Fergy/Jonas springs to mind)

  • 68 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM

    *pit = fit

  • 69 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    Jesper

    442 would be fine for us

    Just use wingers who like to stay wide and cross.

    Also play Ba or cisse with shola or ranger and it will work much better as their is a better balance.

    I want us to live away from 442 but if pardew insists he needs to get the balance of the aide right.

  • 70 mattyNUFC // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    i think our formation will be more of the same, as ed listed but more like this

    simmo…willo…colo…santon
    ………..anita….tiote…………..
    guit……………………….fergie
    ……….cisse…..ba……………..

    long ball v long ball. in for a cracker tonight!

  • 71 Indian Magpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    is obertan still out?

  • 72 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    Matty

    I would settle for that. 442 if cisse was replaced by ranger or shola.

    Ba and cisse just cannot play together

  • 73 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    TS…I view on 4-4-2 (in terms of Newcastle) is that we don’t have the players for it. You need a four man MF with:

    LM – CM – CM – RM

    You can play it as a diamond instead which I prefer, but we still don’t have a LM or RM.

    Wingers are just a horrible idea if you ask me, cause the only one who can cross is Fergy and he is just not ready for it and there is no one in the box to do anything with the delivery.

    In 4-4-2 we lose possession easily and we create no chances. Against SOTON we had 0 shoots on
    target and 1 off in the first half.

    Did you count the crosses?

  • 74 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    *I = my

  • 75 Indian Magpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    another question?

    what the hell is wrong with Amalfitano?

  • 76 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    Obertan is still injured

    Amalfitano isn’t supposed to be a first team player yet. When they bought him, they said he probably wouldn’t be ready until next season. He’s very much a development player.

  • 77 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    jesper

    It’s not the best way we can play.

    You also need the team to play properly for it.

    when the RM crosses you need the two forwards and the LM in the box, and vice versa when LM crosses have RM in the box.

    Fergie can cross, that is fine with me. Obertan/ben arfa can on the right but it wastes ben arfa as he is betting drifting in the middle.

    So yes, 442 not our best, but if we insist in using it we should do it to the best of our ability not just hashed together.

  • 78 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    Indian…I think it was said that they didn’t expect him to feature much this season, but he was one for the future. Wouldn’t read anything in to him not being included etc.

  • 79 Indian Magpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    Conaldo,

    Ibiza

    man we are short on manpower

  • 80 seancavaz // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    Krul
    Simpson. Williamson. colocinni santon
    Perch
    Anita. Tiote
    Jonas. Ba
    Cisse

    Gut feeling that this is what we’ll see tonight

  • 81 Graeme // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    Stoke v Newcastle – The “Hoof-ball” experts playing the “Hoof-ball” stats leaders!!

    Should we not just play 6- 0 – 4 and have done with it?? Will save having 3 or 4 in the middle, watching the ball whizzing over their heads for 90+ minutes.

  • 82 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    Indian…..We are indeed and as such, he may feature at some point, but to date and with my limited knowledge of the player, would he have helped very much so far? He may well get drafted in sooner rather than later, but I doubt it would have been by choice but circumstance.

    The next little while is going to be tough. Personally, style and points are not what I’m going to be judging Pardew and the boys on, more their fight and determination. We need to see they care, that is probably the biggest thing about our relegation season, no one seemed to give a monkeys, if we have a repeat of that attitude then you’ll see me turn pretty sharpish.

  • 83 seancavaz // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:08 PM

    Spent ages laying that out lol.

    Basically 4-1-2-2-1…….or 4-1-4-1 or 4-5-1 depending how you view it

  • 84 Indian Magpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:10 PM

    effectively 1 player signed for first team. wtf

  • 85 cyprus // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:10 PM

    Is there anyone here NOT afraid of tonight’s game, including the super-optimistic, including the players and manager? I think not. But that’s ok, it means whoever plays must bust a gut for graft, they must break PL records in terms of running. What a lot of players do is shirk responsibility once the ball is 3 yards away. In midfield, they must snap at the heels of whoever has the ball, break down their play. Then, hope that a moment of individual brilliance from our forwards or someone else will bring the 0-1, which is the best case scenario. AP, tell the players, running off the ball, closing down, providing an option for players to pass to.

  • 86 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    TS…4-4-2 is just lost on me I guess :)

    …If I were to look at our games so far this season the stats that would spring to mind are the lack of chances created, loss of possession, goal scored from crosses (or in this case the lack there of), the ability of putting the oppositions under pressure (or again the lack there of), goals conceded and finally our passing ability (short ball contra long ball)!

    Basically I don’t care what formation we use as long as these stats are looked at and Pardew asks himself which tactics or formation will help us in these areas. It’s no secret I don’t think it’s 4-4-2 :D

  • 87 Indian Magpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:13 PM

    perch and anita against stoke. david vs goliath. will david win again won’t bet on it

  • 88 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:14 PM

    Graeme…..It would give us a break from 4-4-2.

    I’d like to see:

    —————Krul—————
    Simmo–Willo–Colo–Santon
    ———–Tiote–Anita———-
    ——-Guti—-Ba—-Marv—–
    ————–Cisse—————

    Or bench one of Ba or Cisse, play Marv in the hole and either Fergie or Sammy on the left. Something like that anyway.

    Actually, what I want to see is some fight, like I said before and ideally 3 points being added to our tally.

  • 89 Indian Magpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:17 PM

    Cyprus

    Mate i see repeat of the result that we saw 2 season’s ago. that’s purely my opinion.

  • 90 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    Indian…Forgot about Perch. Maybe him and Tiote in front of the defense then. Can Anita play in an advanced role to any effect?

    Cyprus…I feel with some key creative players missing that is our best bet. I know statistically we’ve hit more long balls than them, but it does not get us a better result than Stoke, so it would be silly to try and beat them at that game…happy to be proved wrong mind.

  • 91 sirtoongospel // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    ——————–Krul——————

    Simmo—-Willo——–Colo——Santon

    ——————–Tiote——————–

    Jonas————-Anita———-Marveaux

    ———————Ba————————

    ——————-Cisse———————-

    That would be my team tonight. Then after that would have Perch in for Willo, and look at the likes of Obertan etc to get a crack ahead of Jonas for home games. We will need Jonas tonight though.

    Ba has proved he is very very good in the withdrawn striker role (destroyed Man U last year) and it keeps them apart up front. But he would need to look to pass just as much as look to score. And when we are defending, leave Cisse up front ALL OF THE TIME. He is capable of getting in behind on the break and he needs to be the one to stay back, getting him defending corners etc is madness.

    When you send your strikers back, it encourages other teams to send more forward. If you leave one or two forward, other teams have to leave cover. They will never leave equal numbers back.

    Time to start playing to our strengths if we are to nab a win or two this side of Christmas.

  • 92 seancavaz // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:21 PM

    IMO having perch Anita and Tiote in the side tonight gives us that flexibility to win the second phase ball, we know stoke are gonna punt it forward and look for knock downs for the on runners, so whether we have perch as cb and colo as sweeper or perch infront of them sweeping the knock downs then it should allow us to break up their play and catch them on the break……all ifs and buts, gutted missing the game due to late shift at graft but hoping the lads put in a solid shift and get some momentum going and maybes the blog will be a pleasant read in the morning lol…..stranger things have happened :-)

  • 93 Indian Magpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:21 PM

    Ibiza,

    Your guess is as good (or bad) as mine :mrgreen:

  • 94 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    Graeme…it’s is actually not a bad idea – the Britannia Stadium as narrow and short so hoofing is the game and I think basically you can shoot from one goal to another anyway ;) lol

  • 95 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    Indian…Absolutely :)

    Sean…Bit old to believe in fairies, no? ;)

  • 96 Rotonda heights // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    Ian toon

    From a previous thread

    I’m very flattered with all the attention you seem to lavish on me. I guess I must be touching a nerve to warrant such special mentions from you all the time.
    You know there are new stalking rules now. lol!

    I’m not quite sure what you mean ” but if I can’t take it, don’t dish it.” What can’t I take exactly? I just didn’t know you were so self unaware.

    I think if you actually read other people’s comments such as matty, check, stuart, catchy, jesper, jb dubai etc, my sentiments echo the majority feeling and concerns about the current situation on here.

    I am very sorry if I have upset so much. It was never my intention to be a cyber bully and to hurt your feelings.
    Or to childishly have the last word.

  • 97 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/8291985/NAC-Breda-s-Nemanja-Gudelj-may-resist-Newcastle-move-as-father-is-new-boss

  • 98 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Does anyone have a lineup where that doesn’t have both Ba and Cissé?

    …just for sake of argument!

  • 99 seancavaz // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Ibiza what you mean? Fairies aint real? Gutted….next you’ll be telling me Santa aint real :-D

  • 100 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    Ibiza…we are not allowed to buy another MF before we have bought a new CB and a new RB :)

    …the silver supremo and I have started talking again :) lol

  • 101 Indian Magpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    awwwwwwwwwwww

    santa ain’t real

  • 102 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    Sean…My bad, I was only playing. Of course they’re real. You know the old saying “misery loves company”. I do apologise :)

    Jesper…I offered one with both and one with just one of them. What do you think?

  • 103 Thump // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:30 PM

    @Ibiza: That’s unfortunate news. Can’t say I know much about the lad but I’m sure if we’re interested in him he must have some ability.

    Wonder when Pardew is going to say Ranger is like a new signing…

  • 104 santonthenewmaldini // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    What also really annoys me is the fact that when a journalist interviews Pardew they never ask the obvious questions??

    Why so many long balls??
    Why do you keep persisting with Ba and Cisse up top?
    Why can we not string 3 passes in a row on the deck?

    Noticed there was a question about corners in the last article which shows that we are getting closer to the holy grail!!

    He needs to change something and it needs to happen tonight we know what Stoke will do and if we play 442 we will fall into their hands

    So lets try something different if we get beat well at least we gave it a go :

    451
    Krul
    Santon RB
    Colo
    Willo
    Fergy Lb
    Anita
    Tiote
    Jonas
    Marveux
    Perch/Amalfitino
    Ba

    Play 5 in midfield and just stop Stoke playing for a bit and keep some possession then Santon and Fergy will have the safety to overlap when possible

    Simpson is useless he cant even defend properly at the moment so he is no better than Ferguson and Santon is too easy to crowd out on the left as he always cuts inside

    I also feel that teams are marking Ferguson out the game as they know he has crossing ability where if he is coming from deep he will have more time and space to get his cross in

    This is actually a game i can see us doing well in we are quite hard to break down when its a one dimensional British style team only have to look at the Sunderland game where it looked like they would never score

    Going for Toon 1 nil win

  • 105 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:32 PM

    Oh dear, from blog police to destroyer of beliefs! What have I become?

    Jesper…I disagree. We definitely need midfielders first, if we want to stop the long ball, cut out the defenders and attackers and just have midfielders. Sorted.

  • 106 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:33 PM

    Rotonda & Ian…you guys need to stop this bigoting!

    …or it’s off to a relationship therapist for you two ;)

  • 107 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:34 PM

    Thump…Don’t know much about him tbh, but it would seem by his words he was a genuine target, so it would be a shame to miss out on a supposed promising talent.

    With Rangers new attitude, he will be like a new signing :) Oh the pain….

  • 108 Indian Magpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    what’s the point of movies like Final destination. grabage

  • 109 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    jesper

    I would have Ba with ranger or shola in a 442

    ideally a 433 with ba, cisse and marv as front three

    with anita, jonas and tiote in midfield

  • 110 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    Ibiza…3-6-1 it is then :)

    …or better a 1-6-3 (only one defender to fu*k it up) lol

  • 111 JDdubai // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    Sadly it doesnt matter what formation we play tonight as unless the players are playing on a different level to the season so far then we will most probably lose.

    With Cabye, HBA etc I could look at the teamsheet and think Maybe today we will play well and get back to how we should be” but without them I cant see it being anything other than another horrendous game with no skill, no creativity or fluidity and we need a lot of luck to get something out of it.

  • 112 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    Jesper…We could probably use a resident therapist on this blog…I know I certainly could :)

    Santon….How would you have the 5 man midfield set up? Can’t say I have too many issues with the personnel. This game is tough, but always winnable and boy do we need a win, just to ease the pressure a bit. Rightly or wrongly, the negativity must be creeping in and around the team now, need to inject some belief a.s.a.p.

  • 113 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    TS…is Shola fit?

    …if it’s 4-4-2 today I think you might be right about playing Shola with either Ba/Cissé.

    I would probably play narrow and with wingbacks instead of a LM and RM and only three at the back.

    As Ibiza says…lets cut out the errors at the back and deploy more in MF :)

  • 114 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    Ibiza…just my word!

    …I vote for Wizard :D

  • 115 check the toastie // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    Dont think formations are important anymore, we will get beat tonight whatever, the players have threw the towel in. Pardew out.

    Last season in a nutshell was,

    Goalline Clearances
    HoofBall to Best and Ba
    Last Ditch Defending
    Bemusing Substitutions,
    Broken Transfer Promises
    Outplayed by relegation fodder at home.
    A few Thrashings
    Moments of Absolute Outrageous Individual Brilliance.

    Thanks Ba, benny and Cisse for giving us some moments of magic. Thanks Pardew for giving us some woeful tactics and selections. He was even putting Smith on the bench upto Xmas last season, clueless, truly clueless.

  • 116 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    Jesper…I’m thinking more 0-10-0.

    JD…Indeed. They are going to have to play well, regardless of formations etc. You can plan all you like, but if players don’t turn up there is next to no chance.

    Indian….You didn’t think it was a masterpiece? Never understood why it never got nominated for an Oscar personally :)

  • 117 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:43 PM

    jesper

    we need 3 CB’s to play 3 at the back

    we have 2 and perch

    I wouldn’t risk them all in one game

  • 118 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    Jesper…You’ve lost me. Your word? Well, I think I know what that word is, but am loathed to go there again and what are we voting Wizard for?

    Check…Feeling upbeat for a victory then?

  • 119 Indian Magpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    good news

    @12:30 i a getting bored thinking there is still 45 minutes to go for Newcastle’s match.

    Suddenly i realise there is another match Freiburg vs Bayern. happily there after :evil:

  • 120 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    Indian…did you see the sequels? :)

  • 121 WWYCD // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    Who was in the starting 11 when we humped Stoke last season?

  • 122 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    Indian…Your icon doesn’t indicate you’re happy about that news.

  • 123 Indian Magpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    Ibiza,

    I have seen 2, both have left sour taste in the mouth

  • 124 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:47 PM

    Yo…I cannot remember, but Ba scored a hattrick :D

  • 125 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:48 PM

    http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2011/11/01/stoke-vs-newcastle-2011-highlights-1-3-goals-video-demba-ba-hat-trick/

  • 126 Indian Magpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:48 PM

    Ibiza

    :lol: there you go, eveil laugh.

    Barca V alaves too.

  • 127 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:48 PM

    Yo…Best played along side Ba upfront

  • 128 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:50 PM

    I think we should try for midfield dominance tonight. Go for the draw, stop the rot and then focus on winning against wigan.

    =======================Krul===========================

    ======Simmo=======Willo=======Colo============Santon==

    =================Tiote=======Perch====================

    ======================Anita==========================

    ==========Ba============Cisse===============Marv=====

    4-5-1 basically drop ba and marv to the wings and cisse up top alone, if we’re doing well push them further up.

    I havent been to impressed by fergie in his past few games, i’d say give sammy or marv a chance to show what they can do. Fergie seems to play better when he comes from the bench anyway.

  • 129 santonthenewmaldini // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:50 PM

    @Ibiza

    Well to be honest i have watched Stoke and you actually only need Tiote protecting the back 4 but you need a lot of guys around to get the 2nd balls from knock downs and flicks so little players snapping at the heels at every opportunity

    Marveux would furthest forward and the wing backs would provide the width Sammy could maybe be asked to play as well

    Throwing the youngsters in is not really the best way to go but its the only choice we have at the moment

  • 130 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:50 PM

    Krul
    Williamson

    Ba cisse shola ranger sammy obertan fergie Campbell Ben arfa

    1-0-9

    Ultimate hoofball.

  • 131 Graeme // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:53 PM

    Santon @ 104 – Simpson has other things on his mind; His brain is firmly in his new bird!! Allegedly!!

    Ibiza – who you been upsetting this time – you must be absolutely gutted lol

  • 132 cyprus // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:55 PM

    @130, I like that, would be different

  • 133 WWYCD // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:55 PM

    Haha let me down on the full line up there lads but pretty sure the team had Raylor, Simmo, Obertan, Willo and Best all with starting spots. How many of us had confidence in that team on that day…bring on Stoke as far as am concerned

  • 134 Ian Toon // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:56 PM

    mattyNUFC- I would never use cowardice in reference to Williamson. He lacks technical ability and will not change. Comparisons with him and Pardew on age and experience are silly. Pardew is young enough to be on a steep learning curve He didn’t lose his last job for footballing reasons and received warm applause from Saint fans on Sunday; the ones I spoke to remembering that he secured Lallana . He’s very well thought of in Southampton. As far as me haggling over injuries I don’t need to they are self evident. If your basic premise is that Pardew is hopeless you will not acknowledge that he fully expected us to bring in at least 3 players to go straight into the team. Together with a depleted squad a disruptive programme of additional games he’s had a lot to contend with . Our prospects are gaining experience from the Europa but they are not in the main good enough to start matches. It’s a time for experience. On how good the youngsters currently are! . It’s a good gauge to see the clubs and the leagues their in that are after them on loan. Not too many Championship clubs. Campbell and Abeid are the pick- Sami and. Fergi are not ready. Tavernier flattered to deceive and is being nursed along. You just don’t throw youngsters in because as you saw with Fergi they can be overawed. The manager assesses the players in training and he has no favourites. We improved against Swansea and I would have started Marve v Saints. Possibly didn’t because he played in Europa and games come thick and fast. Timing is everything in selection, he wants to play 4-2-3-1 or variations thereof but needs a few more real players. Of the 9 we have Pardew has signed 5 of them , strongly suggested that he wanted to buy 2-3 more experienced PL back up players in view of additional games in prospect. It was an either or so Bigi and Good joined. I would not have introduced Ranger in second half v Saints but we might see him this evening. Given the depleted squad Pardew has limited options. Personally I would go 4-3-3 with front three of Marve Cisse and Ba in a fluid set up. Games are won and lost in midfield and the problem has been that were just not creating chances for Ba and Cisse. Tiote needs to be more involved with Anita and Perch . Anita has so much more to offer and is a terrific signing. It’s the art of the possible by which I mean keeping in touch with reality. I hope for a return to winning ways. But I won’t blame the manager if things don’t work out. The players have to start taking responsibility as well . The good news is that Coloccini will be back to organise and lead. As on the blog we need a few more leaders on the pitch rather than followers.

  • 135 ToonDownSouth // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:56 PM

    Holy crap!

    This blog has just turned into the same 5 or 6 people repeating exactly the same sentences every single day.

    It’s got beyond a joke… When people actally try and start a discussion about anything else, everyone just ignores them. Mental.

  • 136 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    Conaldo…. Good formation, what kind of dinosaur team plays with 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 anymore? In fact what are these things called “defences” and “midfields” anyway? They just seem so unnecessary!

  • 137 Graeme // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    Conaldo, they will just fall over each other mate, it will be like watching a “Carry – On” Movie!!!

    Stoke v Newcastle; Slapstick at its best – doesn’t really have a lot of cachet to it!! Tonight its very doubtful there will be much in the way of scantily clad totty to cheer us up either!!

  • 138 cyprus // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:58 PM

    Put a limit on the length of posts Ed :)

  • 139 santonthenewmaldini // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    @Graeme

    Agreed but you would think getting action off a bird would make you play better???Seems to work the opposite with Simpson

  • 140 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    Cyprus… Or at least enforce paragraphing :)

  • 141 thai-mag // Nov 28, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    I don’t think it matters what formation or team we play tonight, there’s to many players have already thrown the towel in for this season, I see nothing but a heavy defeat, bottom 4 by Sunday night

  • 142 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:03 PM

    Yo…I remember Ba and Cabaye played.

    Indian…I saw the first and about 5 minutes of another. Funnily never thought to repeat the experience since. Life is far too short, if I want to watch something painful, I just come on here.

  • 143 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    Dunno like the 3rd final destinations ok, mainly because it has
    mary-elizabeth winstead in it but still :) Actually id watch any bad film if it had a decent looking leading lady…… or yohan cabaye ;)

  • 144 WWYCD // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    Krul
    Simmo Willo Colo Raylor
    Obertan Cabs Tiote Gutti
    Best Ba

    Was the line up am sure on that frightful night against the damned and we battered them so lets see how the evening progresses…I could well be furious come half 9 but rather be hopeful than miserable

  • 145 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    Graeme…It’s a gift.

    Santon….Sounds about right. Maybe two holding midfielders is not needed, but I’d sort of expect Pardew to go with that rather than say a 4-3-3, but what do I know? Wait, please don’t answer that.

    TDS….Have we missed someones discussion?

  • 146 Graeme // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    Santon – I normally have difficulty even walking afterwards; playing anything other than a re-match in bed would be completely out of the question!!

    Maybe that’s why I’m an Engineer, not a footy player lol

  • 147 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    Yeah, midfields who needs ‘em

  • 148 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    I predict a 1-0 toon win.

    Mike Williamson from a corner in the 76th minute

  • 149 HullMag6 // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    We need a pacy, techinically gifted cb in NOT Douglas that’ll be another to bracket in with willo/saylor that can be turned and left by a supertanker. Someone to challenge collo, he needs it I think odd moments of complancy creeping in. Hence why midfield is coming too deep and killing our game.

    A result would make me happy but I feel its going to be another loss and we’re racing the unwashed back to the championship. It’s multiple factors and sacking ap wont help. there are issues top to bottom. its just all wrong at the mo.

  • 150 Phatoon // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:10 PM

    I’d like to see the following tonight:

    ……………………….Krul
    ……….Williamson….Coloccini
    Simpson…………………………….Santon
    ……………………..Anita
    …………..Tiote…………Perch
    .
    Gutierrez………………………..Sa Ameobi/Ferguson
    ………………………Ba

    Sub: Harper/Elliot, Tavernier, Ferguson/Sa Ameobi, Bigirimana, Marveaux, Cisse, Ranger,

    Unless Shola or Obertan are somehow back then that’s what I’d look for.

  • 151 Graeme // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:11 PM

    Ibiza, you are obviously blessed – never neglect your gifts, not all have them!!!

  • 152 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    Yo….4-4-2? Surely not :) I’m with you, we may have some doubts, but you’re right, let’s be hopeful, in football there is always a chance and therefore reason to have hope.

    Rainrix…Do you think maybe Yohan’s attitude has changed due to this extra male attention he’s been getting? Women complain about it all the time, maybe he is tired of feeling like a piece of meat ;)

  • 153 ToonDownSouth // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    Ibiza

    I’ve only been back reading this for 2 days and I’m already sick of reading the same four people posting exactly the same stuff every single day.

    “Pardew’s lost the dressing room”, “hoof ball”, “he needs to go”, “if Pardew was managing Barcelona he’d play 4-4-2 and long balls”

    How long has it been like this for? Catchy, for example, seems to wake up at 7am and start moaning, and continues till he goes to sleep!

  • 154 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    Graeme….But when do I get time for me? It’s not a gift, it’s a burden!

    Everyone has a gift, it’s just some gifts are complete and utter cr*p :)

  • 155 WWYCD // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    Ibiza
    Haha crazy I know but by the luck of the Gods we made it work ;)

    I am prepared for a disappointing loss but I’ll be damned if I find no reason to expect a performance from my team

  • 156 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    TDS

    feel free to start a new topic for discussion

    I think everything of worth has now been said on pardew

  • 157 HullMag6 // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:16 PM

    Sage if that happens then proof miracles can happen.

  • 158 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    TDS….Careful, dangerous territory there. It seems it’s not okay to request to sideline an issue and avoid repeating things over and over, as it’s considered censorship or policing. It is tiresome though.

    Catchy is quite unique in a way. Many times he has agreed to shelf his views on Pardew for a while, but then, within minutes he’s back on it. It is a tad obsessive, but i’m probably missing something.

  • 159 Phatoon // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:18 PM

    @Transfer Sage

    New Topic:- Gutierrez’s best position?

    (As in on pitch before we get any: Bench/Dressing Room/Missionary)

  • 160 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:19 PM

    Hullmag

    The pope is already in stoke to witness this miracle with his own eyes.

    If it occurs he is expected to cannonnise pardew a saint.

  • 161 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:19 PM

    Ibiza…. Well it was his groin area that got injured wasn’t it? ;)

    Although to be fair a fair few fans have a man crush on him, he must think we’re all a bit weird, its an unhealthy relationship tbh.

  • 162 Indian Magpie // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:19 PM

    TDS

    The inmates are running the asylum again.

  • 163 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:21 PM

    phatoon

    not too sure…I would suggest DM

    He works hard, chases a lost cause and is decent in the tackle. His passing isn’t great but should be good with tiote to feed it to an attacking mid or out wide. I would only have him DM in a 3 man midfield though, not 2.

    I think he hasn’t got the pace or quality in delivery to play wide now.

  • 164 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:21 PM

    Yo…Well, I think its safe to say it was the players that did it and it had nothing to do with the manager. Surely 4-4-2 couldn’t work a second time though?

    Completely agree with your second comment, what is the point in being a fan when you have absolutely no hope of them being able to play?

    TS…..Could you not give us the Willo prediction in an ITK style? You really should be warming up, not long to go and you might be a bit rusty.

  • 165 ToonDownSouth // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    Sage & Ibizatoon

    For one, I’d like to know what people think of Anita? I keep reading that he’s rubbish, but I’m pretty sure I disagree.

    I think he’s a decent player who should be adjusting to the PL, but I feel he’s being somewhat screwed by the poor performances of the players and the staff.

    Phatoon

    Hahaha. Some topics are best avoided (;

  • 166 ToonDownSouth // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:24 PM

    Indian

    Haha. Of course, it’s important to have people who question the board, Pardew, and the quality of the players. Otherwise it’d be dull, and no one at the club would have motivation to improve things.

    But when it’s just the same lines again and again, it gets painful to read.

  • 167 Ian Toon // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Rotonda- Stop fishing for compliments. The reason I bother is because you understand football. It’s just your preconceptions. As with a theorem, you start off with Pardew as incompetent and the worst sort of old fashioned English 4-4-2 playing failed everywhere he’s ever been manager. I won’t ask you to add anything I might have missed. It’s always easier to pull people down when things are not going well. I am actually more inclined to recognise mistakes he’s made than you are to give any praise. As I ‘ve said before if Pardew is sacked this season we will almost certainly be relegated. I would not fancy Our chances mind you if we can’t strengthen the defence in the window.

  • 168 ross armstrong // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:27 PM

    my team tonight

    —————-krul
    anita—-perch–colo—-santon
    ——marv—tiote—jonas
    ranger——–ba——-cisse

  • 169 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    TDS

    Anita is a good player. He came through at Ajax and won the league as a key member of a team which has just schooled man city home and away.

    The problem is Ajax play very good passing football and this season as peopel keep saying we play more long balls than anyone else. We also play 2 in midfield.

    Ajax play a 3 man midfield and passing football with a lot of movement. They also dominate 90% of their games, we dont.

    For Anita it’s like taking ryan shawcross and wondering why he isn’t doing well for barcelona, or sticking xavi in stokes team and wondering why he hasn’t got his passing as good.

    Anita is not just in a new league he is in a totally different style of football with his new team.

  • 170 Ian Toon // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    TDS- I agree with you on Anita. He’s adjusting to the pace and physicality of the PL but has good control, touch and vision. Looking forward to seeing him against the might of Stoke.

  • 171 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:31 PM

    Rainrix…Then he’d be right, we are all a bit weird.

    Phatoon…For me, Guti is now best served as a DM or CM. He’s not overly effective as either the final man in defense or in attacking, so in this role he can do what he does best, support the areas which need it.

  • 172 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:31 PM

    Ibiza

    I have heard from a contact, who cannot be named obviously, that pardew and pulis have planned for willo to score from a corner in 76th minute.

    Can’t guarantee it will happen but this sauce is even more reliable than Heinze Ketchup on a bacon sarnie.

  • 173 Ian Toon // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    Transfer- Snap. I agreed with your comments earlier on Williamson.
    He’s slightly taller than me but when I see. 5′ 9″ players out jump him I fancy my chances.-LOL. He’s a trier but no athlete. Still he should be Ok tonight.

  • 174 WWYCD // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    Ibiza
    Well I think the fact Leon Best played was the main reason we won ;)

    Plus I’d rather we got back to winning ways against someone decent tbh bigger boost. So Stokes in for it tonight :D

  • 175 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    TDS… I think Anita will come good. We were a bit spoiled really with how quickly some of the players adapted, I for one thought it would take longer. Way too early to judge him, if we had done the same with Colo where would we be now? Also, things are tough right now and not many are giving a great account of themselves, it’s probably a bit unreasonable to expect Anita to be an exception to this.

  • 176 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    TDS… People writing off anita? Already? Shocking, i can imagine these are the same idiots who wrote off ba after 45 minutes against arsenal :)

    But yeah anita looks decent, he’s defienantly getting to grips with the game more. He looked good against martimo (spelling?) lost count of the amount of tackles and interceptions he won.

    One of the few good points against Southampton was anita looked good further up. Given cabayes out these next months we should be looking to play him in an more advanced role, he’s obviously the most attack minded CM we have atm.

  • 177 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    Yo…..Can we blame this season on Best then? Why didn’t he refuse to leave? If a player is already out, what do we shout? “Best even more out!”?

    TS….P*ss off with you itk cr*p. We don’t need it. ARRRGGGHHHH!

    Oh the memories…..

  • 178 The_Toon // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:38 PM

    Little bit of this and a little bit of that
    I’d like to see Gutierrez playing as a right back and Anita, Tiote and marv in central midfield with ba, sammy and ranger up front

  • 179 WWYCD // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    Ibiza
    We would be top if we kept Best ;)

    Really though I bloody miss super Leon

  • 180 ToonDownSouth // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    I think some players revel in being relied upon to carry the team, and other simply don’t.

    Krul, Hatem and Ba are those players – when they’re being relied upon to win games and make the difference, they can take it.

    Cisse, for example, seems to be almost the opposite. When we’re desperate for goals, the pressure weighs on him a lot.

    I’m not sure which bracket Anita is in, but come January when we’re without Tiote & Cabaye for 4 weeks, we’re going to need him to step up (probably unfairly).

  • 181 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:41 PM

    Ibiza…you know with these gifts of yours comes great responsibilities ;) lol

  • 182 Ian Toon // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    Ibiza- You loveable fool – talk about a back handed compliment- LoL
    As the conductor of the orchestra you need to have a serious word with. Catchy – I suggest. ” There is a limit to how often you can be wrong and you’ve reached it. Goodbye”.
    Synergistically Yours.
    Leaving soon so I’ll see you.

  • 183 WWYCD // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    TDS
    Its unfair to expect Anita to perform come Jan? Have to disagree with u there, he was a blue chip signing for a good amount of money and came with a good pedigree

  • 184 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    WWYCD

    it doesn’t help anita we play a totally different style to Ajax.

    He is used to having lots of options and our midfield currently offer him little.

    We need to inclube benny and marv as much as possible as both of those always show for the ball, even if they waste it after, they never hide on the pitch.

  • 185 obatoyou // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    Does benny play centre mid

  • 186 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    Yo…No doubt mate.Would have been good to have about, but isn’t he injured again anyway? Not saying the same would have happened, but he’s hardly our savior….or maybe he is…

    Jesper…Responsibilities? Me? :)

  • 187 davis_toons // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    “You need to play your own game”

    What kind of games are we playing btw? Passing or Long or Mixed ball?

  • 188 mattyNUFC // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    Ian

    not ignoring ya, just trying to get a bit of work done

    quickly, again, i think some fans see us as ‘decimated’ re injuries while I don’t really buy it. imo pards has and has had more than enough at his disposal to change the line-up a bit. I mean, for god’s sake i can’t think of any one of cisse, marvs, tiote, or anita who are used to playing in a 442. takes the same number of players to play 4231, 433, 41212, blah blah.

    anyway, off for a bit. hoping to god we see some inventiveness because, like you Ian I really like anita but don’t buy that he could even temporarily be the ACM we need and if we do line-up as last time, i wouldn’t expect much of a difference.

    either way, hoping for the best.

    HTL

  • 189 Ian Toon // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    Ibiza- You loveable fool – talk about a back handed compliment- LoL As the conductor of the orchestra you need to have a serious word with. Catchy – I suggest. ” There is a limit to how often you can be wrong and you’ve reached it. Goodbye”.
    Synergistically Yours.
    Leaving soon so I’ll see you.

  • 190 davis_toons // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    I cant see us winning if we continue with the poor passing high ball which suit Stoke style.

    Our players are not Big enough at midfield to fight for header and strength.

  • 191 WWYCD // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    Sage
    After half a season the kid should of adapted, brought his style to the team and improved overall imo

  • 192 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    Ian…..I’ll take any compliment I can get, goes with this massive ego of mine :) Take it easy and hope you enjoy the game tonight….I hope we all do, well the majority anyway, I have doubts whether some are ever happy.

    Yo….What do you think of Joeys new accent? Does this help answer your question? WWJBD? Act like a tw@ it would seem :)

  • 193 cyprus // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    I liked what Keegan used to play: CF’s with their backs to the goal, playing passes with the MF’s. The opposition defenders had to stand back so they wouldn’t be turned, so this part was easy. With patience, holes would open up, or occasionally, the striker would turn and take on the defender… Does anyone remember this? Can we try it? Reminiscing…

  • 194 WWYCD // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    Ibiza
    Aye out for the season after barely kicking a ball but I’d argue that there’s nothing to say that would happen had he stayed…but mainly because I loved Besty

  • 195 fray bentos // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    @cyprus

    Couldn’t play anything like you have just suggested with Cisse and possibly even ba to a degree

  • 196 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    wwycd

    I’m not sure on that. Definitely adapted enough to be a good team member but maybe not enough to lead the midfield.

    If he is playing with tiote and HBA, supporting those guys I would say yeh, he should be up to that.

    I wouldn’t expect him to run the show though after 6 months.

  • 197 WWYCD // Nov 28, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    Ibiza
    Brilliant haha he’s a utter fool but very funny he’s a real villian. Called the French league boring as well haha sand they love him!

  • 198 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    Yo…I already argued that with myself. Are you just looking for an argument you neggar? :)

    There is nothing to suggest he’d have been injured this season, except for that it seems everyone gets injured at Newcastle.

  • 199 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:01 PM

    I actually found Barton hilarious during that interview.

    I would love Ben arfa to do an interview in a Geordie accent.

  • 200 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:05 PM

    Yo…The boring comment was almost better than the accent tbh. Pure comedy gold. Funnier when it’s not our own club.

  • 201 bettyswallocks // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    Just read some of Pardews comments in the Hartlepool Mail.

    Very frustrated to see that he wont acknowledge our stats on long balle etc as an accurate reflection on our style of play.

    He goes on to say that stats can be misleading and coul d be used to criticise the likes of Man utd. etc. etc.

    Until this arrogant, contradictory, pig headed fool realises that until we have a consistent strategy where the players can express themselves in their strongest positions and develop as a unit then we are heading downhill on the slippery slope with no way back.

    I m sick of this guy now and his brand of football.

  • 202 WWYCD // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    Sage
    Don’t expect him to lead the midfield but I expect him to perform. Lad was a vital part of the Ajax team after all

    Anyway lads am off have a good un and expect great things tonight!

  • 203 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    Waiver principles tonight and hand Ranger a start. Ideally Shola would start with Ba tonight, if it has to be 4-4-2 from the outset, for his physicality and defensive capabilities. Just please, no more Cisse/Ba partnership. I have a sneaking suspicion Pardew is thinking along those lines too, with his tentative praise of Ranger in the media.

  • 204 bambams // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    STOKE, of all teams to play when confidence is low and squad has injuries. Hang on though, Ash and Lambas know better, we can keep the cash to buy shares in other clubs or shares in retail markets.

    I wonder if we could go back to seven days before the summer window closed they would do anything different ?

    Nah, they know better……….

    We need Ba and Cisse to find the connections tonight, we need to score cos i think they will.

    Come on Toon !

  • 205 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    TS….Maybe Pardew should try a Geordie accent in his interviews? I’m sure that will be received well.

  • 206 cyprus // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    Lately Barton comes out as a fun guy to hang out with, maybe I’m reading it wrong! Also saw him in a film describing his charity work and such and his efforts to contain his aggressive streak. These things, coupled with his ‘wise’ and impulsive twits, make him an interesting dude. Also, in our search for what’s wrong with this team we’ve ignored mentioning what has often been said of other teams also missing: a leader, who’ll refuse to lose and fire up the whole team, and the crowd. Colo, Guti, Tayls are nice people, but they ain’t Keane, if u know what I mean.

    Barton and Nolan turned that 4-0 around by taking on leadership roles! AP, who in fairness was brand new so can hardly take credit, watched in a bemused state on the sidelines.

  • 207 cyprus // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Taylor may have been, given his passion, but he’s officially OFF my team, sadly. Gone the dyer way, forgive pun

  • 208 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    Cyrpus…I’m sure he’s fun until he turns on you :)

    He does have spirit, which was an important part of the team. The problem with him is he also seems to destroy everything around him. Far too destructive to be beneficial imo.

    Anyway, I too am off. Catch you all later for the pre match….debate? Yeah, sure, let’s call it that.

    Take care one and all

  • 209 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    I’m surprised somebody like Damien Hirst hasn’t tried caging Barton and exhibiting him as ‘living art’, in a gallery.

  • 210 Spreadthetoon // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    why 4-4-2 …..Ranger please AP just drop this nonsense. Play Ba on his own. Play Marveaux. As for Fergie….I’ve seen him play the lad is not progressive and is afraid of his own shadow in the EPL…..more suited to Championship…..which regrettably we’re asking more more young players who are inexperienced and not of acceptable quality…….or why or why did we not do business in the transfer window…not gonna expect anything in January as finite and more expensive….so MA you’re in for another grilling at SJP soon and I don’t think anyone will forget this time!

  • 211 cyprus // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    Spread the toon,
    Maybe MA’s thriftiness is to blame, but surely you should ‘spread’ the blame to include management (and the players).

  • 212 Transfer Sage // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    Ba is usless as a lone man, he needs a guy to play off, just not cisse

    Either cisse middle with Ba left

    or Ba with ranger or shola

  • 213 cyprus // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    These players have been together for 2 years +, sometimes it looks like they’ve just put together the team in the park. Excellent players, some of them, but they don’t know who will be where when. They take each others’ positions, bump into each other, don’t make themselves available, don’t cover for each other. How can MA legislate for that?

    (To make clear, I’ve said before, we need 3 ready made game changers – nothing ‘for the future’- pronto)

  • 214 bettyswallocks // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    Our current squad even with the injuries we have could be moulded into a far more efficient attacking team by most of the other managers in the PL.

    Hard work and endeavour is not enough without a system that works!!!

  • 215 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    Ah that would be an interesting partnership, ba a devout, humble muslim paired in attack with nile “gangster style” Ranger! Sounds like the start of a bad sitcom

  • 216 cyprus // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    Rainrix, how would it end? Ranger a humble, devout Muslim?

  • 217 Mister Tuff // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    Ruddy @#209
    you suggest the following re Barton:-
    Damien Hurst caging Barton and placing him on display in gallery. I think you have innocently described something analagous which has already occured ie-
    Judge …………..cell………….prison.

  • 218 Spreadthetoon // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    I question AP’s blind judgement in 4-4-2 when it does not suit our play, is predictable and forces us further back, which is what every EPL team has done which is why we have played so deep in our own half ALL SEASON!!! We do not have any pace or creativity on our flanks (HBA excluded) so u cannot compare Man U / Spurs etc who do play 4-4-2 but have pace. We have Jonas……I rest my case, great player but better suited in a more central defensive role IMO.
    Cannot blame players other than lack of belief. AP plays players out of position to keep BA happy (I suspect), i think the dressing room is shifting away from AP regrettably, the team is not united but divided and no investment was made during the summer. How would like to work for a club where you excel in your contract and surpass everyone’s expectations, only to play more matches and more matches with a thread bare squad. We were lucky, dead lucky injuries last season….anyone could see that….we reduced our numbers with an already thin squad and signed only 1 senior player…..that an absolute disgrace in my opinion. I behind the players and the team, and even AP but only if he can get the best for the players. I am not a fan of MA, DL but what can you do, they ain’t gonna go.

  • 219 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    Cyprus…. I imagined it more along the lines of them exploring the catacombs underneath SJP and then encountering a jabba the hut sized mike ashley, after a fight/dance off mike has a heart attack and we acquire his fortune that allows us to become PL champs. As the pitch gets swamped before the trophy gets presented, cisse and ranger have a bro moment.

    See now happy endings do happen :)

  • 220 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    Cisse? Ba i meant damn it i ruined the story :(

  • 221 mattnufc // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    We are the team equal lowest for first half goals and are going to the side who have only conceded one home goal all season, which was against Man City…. Victory is on the cards!

  • 222 Mister Tuff // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    For me the most important thing tonight ( apart from getting three points) is how the players react to recent events.
    The players know we are in a precarious position and after the Soton game apparently Pardew read the riot act and supposedly “home truths” were discussed.
    So how the players perform for me will be a guide as to how we will perform in the subsequent games. Will the players give 110% effort, will they chase lost causes, will the heads go down if we concede etc etc.
    I think thank a determined display -even if we get beat will show whether the players are with Pardew or not.
    There may be a possibility that if Anita plays – he may assume that the role of being creative is soley down to him -he may excel.
    After we conceded at Soton -it was so obvious that mass panic set in and we were all over the place – we hopefully will not repeat that.
    Fans will be aware that Stoke have some big physical players – so I think we may be in for a bit of a battering/aerial bombardment – so here’s hoping we can thwart their obvious tactics – and get something from the game, but I’m not overly optimistic.

  • 223 Munster Mag // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    I dont have an issue with 4-4-2 if the right players are in the set up. But it doesnt suit us and we are backing off teams all the time. I’m sticking with Pardew and hope for 1-1 but the logic of the anti pardew argument is far stronger than the pro Pardew side. Either way Llambias and Ashley ballsed it up. But sorry, werent we told that Ash was the greatest thing since sliped pan by the pozzers?? The fat bastard even sold our club ground name down the swanee , and didnt he put the club up for sale for £1 or something on the internet? He dont like you Geordie chaps….!

  • 224 Le Wizard // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    Just a thought, but how about:
    Krul
    Simpson-Williamson-Collo-Jonas
    Santon-Anita-Tiote-Fergie/Sammy
    Ba-Cisse

  • 225 obatoyou // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 PM

    C’mon mewcastle need a win boys lets rally!!

  • 226 fray bentos // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 PM

    I really hope Cisse is not played, he’s basically useless for a team in our predictiment.

    Also i think we would have probably played just as bad if we mostly played 4-3-3 this season and we actually did a couple of times, its worth noting how many points we managed to get playing 4-4-2 at the start of last season, there is something else more deeply wrong in the squad, coaching, management etc which leads onto the long ball which i don’t think is a tactical decsion as it wasn’t last season so much

    We saw the start an improvment against Swansea and the 1st half againt Maritimo, i didn’t get to see the Southampton game so can’t comment on that one but Southampton are underated team this season, if anybody really watched their first few games this season they could have easily picked up plenty of points againt the big teams but very unlucky. lets hope we can pick it up tonight but at Stoke away, its gonna be hard

  • 227 obatoyou // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    Not sure cisse wont be played though boy

  • 228 Munster Mag // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    Fray, I thought he tried a lot harder than Ba against Southampton. If he isnt useful in a 4231 formation ( up top ) , we might aswell sell him, which would be a shame as he’s a lovely finisher.

  • 229 fray bentos // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    @munster

    I missed the southampton game due to work so didn’t see if Cisse was any good but from watching most other games this season he’s been very poor from a build up play perspective and not what we need at the moment, maybe he can change his game, maybe Southampton was the start, i hope so

    Is it worth trying to find and download the Soton game? is that bad?

  • 230 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    If pardew aint gonna go we need someone by his side to teach him tactics that will get the team playing attacking passing football so the strikers can have plenty of chances to score, they dont need many!!!

    I would rotate the two strikers for competition, injuries and just for general footballing reasons. They cant play together as the are both STRIKERS. They cant link with the midfield, they need to be on the end of everything and u cant have two of those kind of players on the pitch and expect many chances.

    Its not rocket science!!!!!!!

    My team if i got appointed as manager..

    4231

    ————–KRUL————-
    SIMO-TAYLOR-COLO-GUTI
    ——–TIOTE——ANITA——-
    BENARFA-CABAYE-SANTON
    ————CISSE/BA———–

    I know we have injuries but that doesnt affect the way they play football, it should just give players a chance to play in that role.

    In this case Benny boy and cabaye can be swapped easily with the likes of sameobi, marvo, amalfitano, obertan.

    This is why people are calling for pardew to be sacked because at times like this there is no confidence in the fringe players that could come in and do a great job for the team.

    I could go on but my fingers and head are starting to ache!!

  • 231 fray bentos // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:19 PM

    has Santon got experience of playing on the wing? does he actually want to play there?

  • 232 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    Fray… Well last season it was either best/ba or ba/ameobi. Both of them are better partnerships than ba/cisse so 4-4-2 worked better then.

    I agree though somethings fundamentally wrong with the squad. We’ve had full strength teams out this season and still played horribly
    something isn’t right there. Regardless of formations our full team should be capable of beating villa for example

  • 233 Munster Mag // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:22 PM

    Santon is becoming more and more overrated IMO. He had loads of assets – quite quick, good pn ball, serious engine….but his efforts rarely anmount to much, he’s not a good crosser, is on the wrong side of the pitch, and doesnt mark closely enough especially in the box.

  • 234 rainrix // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:28 PM

    Munster…. I agree nothing much comes around because of santons wing play. Although what he does to vitally is get us into the opponents 3rd. If we try to play it out of defence it usually ends up with santon dribbling into the opponents 3rd, Obviously simmo cant do that and usually ends up hoofing it or ben arfa gets us out via the right.

    Im sure you’ve noticed we attack more from the left and santon is the reason. He’s more of the bridge from defence to attack than our midfielders are.

  • 235 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:28 PM

    @fray bentos

    Yes he use to play there, and is that second question a joke? Hes always getting forward and making chances, good ones at that.

    Iv been saying this for a long time now, and think with his new found defencive abilities over the past few years he could be a great LW. Hel get back to help the midfield and get forward at every oppotunity. Hes onre of our best creative players and he plays at LB.

    I think with one of the dembas in the moddle and benarfa and santon either side we would score goals for fun!

    Pardew doesnt see this.

  • 236 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:28 PM

    I think santon needs to cut inside and shoot more. He does great powering up the wing, but when he gets to the end not much happens. I’ve seen him several times launch a long distance shot and he tested the keeper nearly every time. If he starts shooting he could get 10 goals a season.

    Although I think his best position is full back. Attacking full backs are the future of football, as shown by the great European teams, and he is turning into a great defender aswell.

    Tonight, I think we will win 3 nil, Williamson, ranger and obertan all to score just to annoy everybody on here :)

    Nah, I’d be over the moon with 1-0 or 1-1… Or 5-0… Whichever…

  • 237 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    @fray bentos

    Yes he used to play there, and is that second question a joke? Hes always getting forward and making chances, good ones at that. So i think the answer is yes he would relish the chance to be put at LW.

    Iv been saying this for a long time now, and think with his new found defencive abilities over the past few years he could be a great LW. Hel get back to help the midfield and get forward at every oppotunity. Hes onre of our best creative players and he plays at LB.

    I think with one of the dembas in the moddle and benarfa and santon either side we would score goals for fun!

    Pardew doesnt see this.

  • 238 fray bentos // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    @cockney

    Cos its just that damn easy isn’t it, stupid Pardew!!

    No it wasn’t a joke, i was only asking honest questions, he might like playing as a full back anyway

  • 239 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:33 PM

    @fray bentos

    Yes as a matter of fact it is.

  • 240 Rotonda heights // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    Ian

    I kind of see what you are saying but if most of the team are technically competent why devise a long ball system for the only one or 2 non – footballers Simmo and Willo? Why not go with the majority’s preferred style of play?

    Indeed how can you be a premiership player if you don’t possess some level of technical ability but maybe that is more of a comment on English football generally than solely in – house at SJP.

    99% I like pardew’s (or carr’s) buys, but I can not believe benny, cabs, Anita buying in to Pardews ” passing vision ” and then finding we lead the way in most long balls played. Something doesn’t fit.

  • 241 fray bentos // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    @munster

    “but his efforts rarely anmount to much”

    but you could say the same for most of the team at the moment

  • 242 fray bentos // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    @cockney

    yeah ofcourse it is on football manager

  • 243 fray bentos // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    maybe benny, cabs, anita, tiote and co should make themselves available for passes from the defence more easy then

  • 244 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:39 PM

    That’s a decent team ross. I can admit that Mike Williamson is the worst defender ever to play for Newcastle.

  • 245 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:40 PM

    @fray bentos

    Football manager what?

    Look, you are obviously deluded and not seeing the real issue that lies with our club at the moment, its the managet, nothing else.

  • 246 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:42 PM

    Dont ask me why the midfielders dont make them selves available for passes, ask pardew the hoof ball tactical nightmare

  • 247 fray bentos // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:43 PM

    @cockney

    Deluded no, just have a differing opinion to yourself

  • 248 fray bentos // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:45 PM

    @cockney

    My post about the midfielders wasn’t directed at you, so you don’t need to answer its ok

  • 249 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:47 PM

    Yea well its obvious why we are playing bad but its people like you who dont actually understand football, just like to blame players.

  • 250 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    Injuries arent making us lose its the way we are playing thats making us lose.

    Pardew doesnt do attacking passing football, and with the players weve got its a joke!!

    Get him out!

  • 251 fray bentos // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    @cockney

    Can’t be arsed with a slagging match, i only asked a couple of questions, one being hypothetical

  • 252 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:54 PM

    Im not slagging, im stating facts.

  • 253 fray bentos // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    Think your on the wrong blog

  • 254 Rotonda heights // Nov 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM

    fray

    he is allowed an opinion you know. just happens to be different to yours doesn’t make him wrong.

    What’s the point of midfielders making them available when they know it’s going to sail over the heads all night?

  • 255 fray bentos // Nov 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM

    @Rotonda

    yes i know, see my post 247, i think you should be saying that to him/her

    Many of the games it seems that many of the long balls are made when certain players are being pressured on the ball, almost like its panicked and their last port of call

  • 256 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 28, 2012 at 5:03 PM

    Listen to yourself,

    Does santon like to play there?

    Maybe blah blah blah should make themselves available for passes blah blah blah.

    Its pardew u not the bloody players! They are lobbibg the ball forward at every oppotunity and losing possession. This is Pardews way of playing. His tactics make the players look very average and its people like you that point the blame on the players performing those bad tactics.

    You remind me of Pardew, clueless.

  • 257 fray bentos // Nov 28, 2012 at 5:06 PM

    keep on slagging mate, your just making yourself look childish

  • 258 Rotonda heights // Nov 28, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    fray

    he’s spot on

  • 259 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 28, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    @rotonda

    Sweet mate.

  • 260 ONLINE GUY // Nov 28, 2012 at 5:24 PM

    Here’s a plan to win this evening

    One touch footie . no fannying about giving Stoke time..keep it on the deck…keep possession..take it easy…no rush ..frustrate the hell out of Stoke ..no high balls …draw the foul .

    Start with Marveaux ..He should be told to run direct into the box with ball..Draw the foul or have a pop ,and I don’t mean running at them from the flanks .. Marvo would be good just playing off Demba Ba lots of one two’s around the box , Central.

    Prediction 1-2 to Newcastle and one of them’s a pen.

  • 261 cockneymagpie90 // Nov 28, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    @Online guy

    Sounds amazing but wont happen.

    If we played like that, id predict 4-1 win.

  • 262 stuart no9 // Nov 28, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    so many excuses on here as to why we are struggling. you can name players that are not performing ( why arnt they performing) you can name injured players ( we have a squad why arnt they good enough) why arnt a lot of our players bought by pardew not good enough or why hasnt he bought experience? why are we playing negative tactics? why is our confidence in our boots ? whos job is it to instill that fighting spirit which is shot. i’ m afraid it is all down to the manager. you cant blame the players if they dont know what they are doing. a negative manager will produce a negative team. he must go . hes in charge.

  • 263 josh // Nov 28, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    Kets do you ever talk sense you jumped up prick. Willo and collo have a better record together than tayls and collo of late. I’d get behind him as were stretched enough as it is. Or find that hole I keep on about.

  • 264 toonicle // Nov 28, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    Hey all, i’ve been lurking here a while but thought i’d add my 2 cents. Why don’t we play a 4-2-3-1 more, something like this?
    =====Krul====
    simmo==willo==collo==santon
    ====Guti====Tiote====
    Marv===Ba===Sammy
    ======Cisse=====

    Might actually give us a chance for Cisse to break or atleast pull defenders off for Ba to get a lane through on goal.

  • 265 josh // Nov 28, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    Also kets, Titarse bramble played for us.

  • 266 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Nov 28, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    At what Wizard time is the game tonight?

  • 267 obatoyou // Nov 28, 2012 at 6:36 PM

    Would love to see xisco and ranger play, but different, seems ba and cisse need to know their places aren’t in the cement!

    Not sure how constructive it is to repeatedly list possible team lists and formations though… Pardew seems pretty adamant to stick to the same losing flopynopy

  • 268 obatoyou // Nov 28, 2012 at 6:40 PM

    Would have put Campbell in months ago, but will settle for a ranger Or xisco

  • 269 spudzzz // Nov 28, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    Webb has just given us 2 yellow cards for nothing…..williamson miskicks and nearly scores own goal….Im feeling really positive about this game




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